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alphastreet

Is Beyonce evil?

So many youtubers are calling her luciferian and I know she’s been accused of black magic. I thought it was just hate cause she’s a successful black woman, but I also saw videos where African users are analyzing black is king and likening it to demons. I don’t know if I believe it or not but have always liked her music.

Thoughts anyone?
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Reply #1 posted 10/25/20 9:10pm

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She's part creole so..maybe lol

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Reply #2 posted 10/26/20 6:50am

Dalia11

Here.....we....go.... With steriotyps, rumors, etc.

She is a Virgo with Scorpio Rising. She is intuitive, industrious, creative, reliable, loyal, etc.

Jay Z is a Sagittarius with Pisces Rising, compatible with her water sign rising and Virgo sign.

When I was watching the Wendy Williams show, Prince'e ex said that Beyonce listens to her husband too much, I wonder why Prince's ex said that to Wendy Williams?

Shout out to Ms. Cancerian Wendy Williams! I have been a fan since you were on Kiss FM/New York Radio/R&B Music. 😃
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Reply #3 posted 10/26/20 10:17am

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Is Beyonce evil? Short answer is "Yes!"
"It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
"The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing." - Socrates
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Reply #4 posted 10/26/20 12:52pm

RJOrion

all women are evil... the sweetest woman in the world can be the meanest woman in the world... if you make her that way...its a thin line....between love and hate.... yes it is.

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Reply #5 posted 10/26/20 2:05pm

looby

RJOrion said:

all women are evil... the sweetest woman in the world can be the meanest woman in the world... if you make her that way...its a thin line....between love and hate.... yes it is.

Heeeeyyyy! Excuse you....."all women are evil?" Did you forget about the men?

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Reply #6 posted 10/26/20 2:35pm

alphastreet

Dalia11 said:

Here.....we....go.... With steriotyps, rumors, etc.

She is a Virgo with Scorpio Rising. She is intuitive, industrious, creative, reliable, loyal, etc.

Jay Z is a Sagittarius with Pisces Rising, compatible with her water sign rising and Virgo sign.

When I was watching the Wendy Williams show, Prince'e ex said that Beyonce listens to her husband too much, I wonder why Prince's ex said that to Wendy Williams?

Shout out to Ms. Cancerian Wendy Williams! I have been a fan since you were on Kiss FM/New York Radio/R&B Music. 😃


Takes away from “independent woman” doesn’t it?
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Reply #7 posted 10/26/20 2:50pm

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I haven’t seen Black is King, but if there’s demonic symbolism in it that would just make me like her more. I suspect the people making those videos are grasping at straws because she’s pro LGBTQ (every single user who makes these videos is a hardcore homophobe who hates everyone that doesn’t worship Jesus) and identifies as a feminist (her feminism is heavily debated by scholars but that’s a different thread).

Some say she’s evil because she canceled Keri Hilton, but she was doing the world a favor.
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Reply #8 posted 10/26/20 2:58pm

alphastreet

Hudson said:

I haven’t seen Black is King, but if there’s demonic symbolism in it that would just make me like her more. I suspect the people making those videos are grasping at straws because she’s pro LGBTQ (every single user who makes these videos is a hardcore homophobe who hates everyone that doesn’t worship Jesus) and identifies as a feminist (her feminism is heavily debated by scholars but that’s a different thread).

Some say she’s evil because she canceled Keri Hilton, but she was doing the world a favor.


I still haven’t seen black is king either though would like to, but also feel a little creeped out after seeing the YouTube critiques by African Christian individuals though

And did she really cancel Keri hilson?
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Reply #9 posted 10/26/20 3:09pm

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According to some members of the Beyhive, but they're nuts.

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Reply #10 posted 10/26/20 3:11pm

alphastreet

Hudson said:

According to some members of the Beyhive, but they're nuts.



Yeah the beehive is like a cult from what I hear
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Reply #11 posted 10/26/20 5:33pm

jfenster

She sells herself while corps profit a ton....what do u think?
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Reply #12 posted 10/26/20 5:38pm

looby

jfenster said:

She sells herself while corps profit a ton....what do u think?

Don't they all do that, I thought that is how it works in the biz?

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Reply #13 posted 10/27/20 5:51am

Tontoman22

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Hudson said:

I haven’t seen Black is King, but if there’s demonic symbolism in it that would just make me like her more. I suspect the people making those videos are grasping at straws because she’s pro LGBTQ (every single user who makes these videos is a hardcore homophobe who hates everyone that doesn’t worship Jesus) and identifies as a feminist (her feminism is heavily debated by scholars but that’s a different thread). Some say she’s evil because she canceled Keri Hilton, but she was doing the world a favor.

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Reply #14 posted 10/27/20 11:38pm

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #15 posted 10/28/20 7:24am

onlyforaminute

Hudson said:

I haven’t seen Black is King, but if there’s demonic symbolism in it that would just make me like her more. I suspect the people making those videos are grasping at straws because she’s pro LGBTQ (every single user who makes these videos is a hardcore homophobe who hates everyone that doesn’t worship Jesus) and identifies as a feminist (her feminism is heavily debated by scholars but that’s a different thread).

Some say she’s evil because she canceled Keri Hilton, but she was doing the world a favor.

She has channeled a lot of imagery of the Yorba goddess Oshun a goddess of fertility beauty love ✨ which can be conflicting with a lot of Christian teaching and disturbs a lot of people because a lot of that imagery is connected to a lot of traditional imagery of the Virgin Mary and Jesus. I guess it depends on where one stands on imagery. To me imagery is just art not faith so I'm unbothered. I really can't tell if she is all that deep into the orisha worship or is just doing what most people do, connecting to roots through some traditions. I suspect the latter.
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Reply #16 posted 10/28/20 7:42am

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If there is something beyond the physical. If there is a spiritual world, if certain beliefs are true etc

Ignorance would not stop evil spirits from connecting to her(or anyone) She might see some things as just a means to an end, but when has that not stopped people from being influenced in a bad way.

My Borinquena friend(what she calls herself), not Christian, not any particular faith, just believes in a Creator, visited a Yoruban ceremony, something she just thought was a cultural 'festival', she said at a particular period in what she wasn't expecting she saw 'spirits' non physical 'people' riding practitioners. She left before it was over. She said she didn't really believe in that stuff, but she knows what she saw. And would never go to another.

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overall answer is, IDK, but I think she is messing around with some stuff

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She has been posing herself as the Yoruban goddess for a while now though. It's funny how someone 'clearly' mixed like her with her blonde colored hair is inserting herself as an AFRICAN/Black woman/goddess

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Reply #17 posted 10/28/20 8:30am

onlyforaminute

OldFriends4Sale said:



If there is something beyond the physical. If there is a spiritual world, if certain beliefs are true etc


Ignorance would not stop evil spirits from connecting to her(or anyone) She might see some things as just a means to an end, but when has that not stopped people from being influenced in a bad way.


My Borinquena friend(what she calls herself), not Christian, not any particular faith, just believes in a Creator, visited a Yoruban ceremony, something she just thought was a cultural 'festival', she said at a particular period in what she wasn't expecting she saw 'spirits' non physical 'people' riding practitioners. She left before it was over. She said she didn't really believe in that stuff, but she knows what she saw. And would never go to another.


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overall answer is, IDK, but I think she is messing around with some stuff


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She has been posing herself as the Yoruban goddess for a while now though. It's funny how someone 'clearly' mixed like her with her blonde colored hair is inserting herself as an AFRICAN/Black woman/goddess

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I hope you practice that same belief in using traditional imagery associated with all things not Christian but I doubt it, few of us do. It seems to me people are comfortable with things they are used to and don't have a second thought about using and playing with them in their everyday life but then when they view something unusual they heap a lot of ideology on it. If one honestly believes evil spirits abide in the imagery of one tradition then they abide across the board in all types of traditions whether they are common or not. One should live their beliefs not just talk about them. I believe if Beyonce were channeling Venus very few would bat an eye because that imagery is incorporated into our culture on a regular basis and is considered acceptable.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #18 posted 10/28/20 9:02am

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alphastreet said:

So many youtubers are calling her luciferian and I know she’s been accused of black magic. I thought it was just hate cause she’s a successful black woman, but I also saw videos where African users are analyzing black is king and likening it to demons. I don’t know if I believe it or not but have always liked her music.

Thoughts anyone?

You do realise they used to burn women because they thought they were evil. I cant believe you even ask this question. You don't know if you believe it? Use your common sense.
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Reply #19 posted 10/28/20 9:16am

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RJOrion said:

all women are evil... the sweetest woman in the world can be the meanest woman in the world... if you make her that way...its a thin line....between love and hate.... yes it is.

falloff I was not expecting an "ALL ..........." answer

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Reply #20 posted 10/28/20 9:49am

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Youtube has never lied to me about anything up to this point so I guess we have no choice but to assume that she is.

"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #21 posted 10/28/20 10:03am

Zannaloaf

evil? Seriously?
If you want to look at evil there is a plethora of big corporation owners you can plaster that label on. Not an artist who is expressing herself.

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Reply #22 posted 10/28/20 10:35am

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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If there is something beyond the physical. If there is a spiritual world, if certain beliefs are true etc

Ignorance would not stop evil spirits from connecting to her(or anyone) She might see some things as just a means to an end, but when has that not stopped people from being influenced in a bad way.

My Borinquena friend(what she calls herself), not Christian, not any particular faith, just believes in a Creator, visited a Yoruban ceremony, something she just thought was a cultural 'festival', she said at a particular period in what she wasn't expecting she saw 'spirits' non physical 'people' riding practitioners. She left before it was over. She said she didn't really believe in that stuff, but she knows what she saw. And would never go to another.

.

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overall answer is, IDK, but I think she is messing around with some stuff

.

.

She has been posing herself as the Yoruban goddess for a while now though. It's funny how someone 'clearly' mixed like her with her blonde colored hair is inserting herself as an AFRICAN/Black woman/goddess

giphy-3.gif


I hope you practice that same belief in using traditional imagery associated with all things not Christian but I doubt it, few of us do. It seems to me people are comfortable with things they are used to and don't have a second thought about using and playing with them in their everyday life but then when they view something unusual they heap a lot of ideology on it. If one honestly believes evil spirits abide in the imagery of one tradition then they abide across the board in all types of traditions whether they are common or not. One should live their beliefs not just talk about them. I believe if Beyonce were channeling Venus very few would bat an eye because that imagery is incorporated into our culture on a regular basis and is considered acceptable.

I don't know what you are talking about, not about me but...I don't venerate Mary or Venus or Frigg? I'm not into that, I'm not Catholic either.

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Reply #23 posted 10/28/20 10:49am

looby

Zannaloaf said:

evil? Seriously?
If you want to look at evil there is a plethora of big corporation owners you can plaster that label on. Not an artist who is expressing herself.

Evil knows no bounds, it comes in all forms, seen and unseen.

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Reply #24 posted 10/28/20 10:57am

onlyforaminute

OldFriends4Sale said:



onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



If there is something beyond the physical. If there is a spiritual world, if certain beliefs are true etc


Ignorance would not stop evil spirits from connecting to her(or anyone) She might see some things as just a means to an end, but when has that not stopped people from being influenced in a bad way.


My Borinquena friend(what she calls herself), not Christian, not any particular faith, just believes in a Creator, visited a Yoruban ceremony, something she just thought was a cultural 'festival', she said at a particular period in what she wasn't expecting she saw 'spirits' non physical 'people' riding practitioners. She left before it was over. She said she didn't really believe in that stuff, but she knows what she saw. And would never go to another.


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overall answer is, IDK, but I think she is messing around with some stuff


.


.


She has been posing herself as the Yoruban goddess for a while now though. It's funny how someone 'clearly' mixed like her with her blonde colored hair is inserting herself as an AFRICAN/Black woman/goddess

giphy-3.gif




I hope you practice that same belief in using traditional imagery associated with all things not Christian but I doubt it, few of us do. It seems to me people are comfortable with things they are used to and don't have a second thought about using and playing with them in their everyday life but then when they view something unusual they heap a lot of ideology on it. If one honestly believes evil spirits abide in the imagery of one tradition then they abide across the board in all types of traditions whether they are common or not. One should live their beliefs not just talk about them. I believe if Beyonce were channeling Venus very few would bat an eye because that imagery is incorporated into our culture on a regular basis and is considered acceptable.


I don't know what you are talking about... the worship of Mary? I'm not into that, I'm not Catholic either.


Well I didn't mention Mary in the sentence you highlighted or even in that post. I did mention it in my 1st post because those are the words I've seen other people mention in referencing Beyonce and Oshun not necessarily on the org. But in my response to you I wasn't referring to catholics or any specific group but including anything and everything not based in the Christian faith and people attributing evil spirits with somethings unfamiliar to them while they themselves dabble in other things on a regular bases that imo are just as much outside of Christianity as the orishas. Personally I frown on that kind of nitpiking. I grew up in the era where all thing dabbling in dragons and stuff like dungeons and dragons had people claiming they saw evil spirits around. Funny thing it included LoTR, a book written by a Christian using non traditional imagery incorporating Christian values to tell a story. I don't put a lot of value in people feeling uncomfortable about something therefore it must be satanic type of thinking.
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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know what you are talking about... the worship of Mary? I'm not into that, I'm not Catholic either.

Well I didn't mention Mary in the sentence you highlighted or even in that post. I did mention it in my 1st post because those are the words I've seen other people mention in referencing Beyonce and Oshun not necessarily on the org. But in my response to you I wasn't referring to catholics or any specific group but including anything and everything not based in the Christian faith and people attributing evil spirits with somethings unfamiliar to them while they themselves dabble in other things on a regular bases that imo are just as much outside of Christianity as the orishas. Personally I frown on that kind of nitpiking. I grew up in the era where all thing dabbling in dragons and stuff like dungeons and dragons had people claiming they saw evil spirits around. Funny thing it included LoTR, a book written by a Christian using non traditional imagery incorporating Christian values to tell a story. I don't put a lot of value in people feeling uncomfortable about something therefore it must be satanic type of thinking.

OK but I tried to neutralize my post by sharing my friends 'encounter'
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I don't need to go deeper into this. I know you have issue with 'christian' things. This is about Beyonce, not a deeper religious discussion. I've already had a 'discussion' about 'Mary' in P&R

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My response to the post about Beyonce is simple as stated: overall answer is, IDK, but I think she is messing around with some stuff

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Reply #26 posted 10/28/20 12:01pm

onlyforaminute

OldFriends4Sale said:



onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



I don't know what you are talking about... the worship of Mary? I'm not into that, I'm not Catholic either.



Well I didn't mention Mary in the sentence you highlighted or even in that post. I did mention it in my 1st post because those are the words I've seen other people mention in referencing Beyonce and Oshun not necessarily on the org. But in my response to you I wasn't referring to catholics or any specific group but including anything and everything not based in the Christian faith and people attributing evil spirits with somethings unfamiliar to them while they themselves dabble in other things on a regular bases that imo are just as much outside of Christianity as the orishas. Personally I frown on that kind of nitpiking. I grew up in the era where all thing dabbling in dragons and stuff like dungeons and dragons had people claiming they saw evil spirits around. Funny thing it included LoTR, a book written by a Christian using non traditional imagery incorporating Christian values to tell a story. I don't put a lot of value in people feeling uncomfortable about something therefore it must be satanic type of thinking.


OK but I tried to neutralize my post by sharing my friends 'encounter'
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I don't need to go deeper into this. I know you have issue with 'christian' things. This is about Beyonce, not a deeper religious discussion. I've already had a 'discussion' about 'Mary' in P&R


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My response to the post about Beyonce is simple as stated: overall answer is, IDK, but I think she is messing around with some stuff




You don't know me at all if you made such a statement. I'm closer to the cs lewis ilk to be honest. The question is if Beyonce was evil. There are all kinds of ways to be evil but this went into her usage of orisha imagery, which comes from religion, as the sole reason why she's seen as evil. I had an opinion about that and said it. I'm cool if it's not agreed with. Now is she highly commercializing I'd say yes. Is that evil? It could be but I wouldn't stamp her that way for marketing the hell out her and hers. It is exhausting though.
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Reply #27 posted 10/28/20 12:17pm

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Lucifer showing up at Superbowl black eyes pt2 - YouTube

Evil

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alphastreet said:

So many youtubers are calling her luciferian and I know she’s been accused of black magic. I thought it was just hate cause she’s a successful black woman, but I also saw videos where African users are analyzing black is king and likening it to demons. I don’t know if I believe it or not but have always liked her music. Thoughts anyone?

I don't think 'race' had anything to do with it.

The 'hate' partially came from fans who were fans of Destiny's Child, and didn't like that Beyonce got pushed further ahead over the other ladies. There is a lot of 'hate(better yet critiques') against her because of direction and such. Many are disgusted because she's done things like copied Erykah Badu's video and used the same thing for her 'Lemonaid' video etc

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Very similar to how many black/african descendant people don't care for Diana Ross because what happened with the Supremes of 'taking' the role of Dorothy in the Wiz from Stephanie Mills.

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Reply #29 posted 10/28/20 1:06pm

RJOrion

Beyonce started getting alot of undeserved "hate" after she linked with, and married JayZ...just like the hate directed at Whitney Houston for dating/marrying Bobby Brown... the media/entertainment industry HATE it when their appointed black female celebrities date and marry black men.. ESPECIALLY black men of the backgrounds that Jay and Bobby come from...the industry wants their selected black divas to date/marry white men or stay single...like Tina Turner and Diana Ross and other sellouts....if Beyonce would have married Justin Timberlake or Robin Thicke or Prince Harry, she'd be less hated by the media and whites

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