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Reply #30 posted 10/20/20 6:38pm

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Reply #31 posted 10/20/20 6:38pm

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I love this album and the rest of the Jacksons albums including 2300 Jackson Street. It's an enjoyable album all the way through. I wonder if there are enough outtakes to re-release some of these albums as deluxe editions. I wonder in what state of completion are some of the outtakes listed on Wikipedia. One of my dreams is to see Victory re-released with the Mike and Freddy collabos including the song Victory plus the Dallas stop of the Victory tour. I have the sinking feeling that none of this is gonna happen. I suspect there's not much worthy of being released. Same thing with Michael's stuff. Sony said no more full-fledged albums


I tried to like 2300 Jackson street but couldn’t get into it. I feel like they really declined and lacked the magic they had collaborating with gamble and huff
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Reply #32 posted 10/20/20 6:55pm

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wilmer said:

I love this album and the rest of the Jacksons albums including 2300 Jackson Street. It's an enjoyable album all the way through. I wonder if there are enough outtakes to re-release some of these albums as deluxe editions. I wonder in what state of completion are some of the outtakes listed on Wikipedia. One of my dreams is to see Victory re-released with the Mike and Freddy collabos including the song Victory plus the Dallas stop of the Victory tour. I have the sinking feeling that none of this is gonna happen. I suspect there's not much worthy of being released. Same thing with Michael's stuff. Sony said no more full-fledged albums


I tried to like 2300 Jackson street but couldn’t get into it. I feel like they really declined and lacked the magic they had collaborating with gamble and huff


I happen to like late 80's new jack swing and there's a couple cuts there that have that vibe, some of the other just grew on. However, it is definitely their worst album. I don't even consider it a Jacksons album. I heard Susan Rogers say she engineered some of the sessions.
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Reply #33 posted 10/20/20 9:11pm

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alphastreet said:



I tried to like 2300 Jackson street but couldn’t get into it. I feel like they really declined and lacked the magic they had collaborating with gamble and huff


I happen to like late 80's new jack swing and there's a couple cuts there that have that vibe, some of the other just grew on. However, it is definitely their worst album. I don't even consider it a Jacksons album. I heard Susan Rogers say she engineered some of the sessions.


I’m also a new jack swing fan but didn’t like the album. Even though word to the badd was a Michael diss, I actually really like the production on it and the melody, as long as it’s the edited one about a relationship. Now that is underrated
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Reply #34 posted 10/20/20 10:00pm

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wilmer said:



I happen to like late 80's new jack swing and there's a couple cuts there that have that vibe, some of the other just grew on. However, it is definitely their worst album. I don't even consider it a Jacksons album. I heard Susan Rogers say she engineered some of the sessions.


I’m also a new jack swing fan but didn’t like the album. Even though word to the badd was a Michael diss, I actually really like the production on it and the melody, as long as it’s the edited one about a relationship. Now that is underrated


I really like the MJ diss version. I surprised myself to listen to it lately on the way to my job.
This is really cool stuff
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Reply #35 posted 10/20/20 10:02pm

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wilmer said:

I love this album and the rest of the Jacksons albums including 2300 Jackson Street. It's an enjoyable album all the way through. I wonder if there are enough outtakes to re-release some of these albums as deluxe editions. I wonder in what state of completion are some of the outtakes listed on Wikipedia. One of my dreams is to see Victory re-released with the Mike and Freddy collabos including the song Victory plus the Dallas stop of the Victory tour. I have the sinking feeling that none of this is gonna happen. I suspect there's not much worthy of being released. Same thing with Michael's stuff. Sony said no more full-fledged albums


I tried to like 2300 Jackson street but couldn’t get into it. I feel like they really declined and lacked the magic they had collaborating with gamble and huff


The Gamble and Huff albums were meh, especially Going Places.
They shouldn't have released 2300 JS without at least, one true MJ song.
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Reply #36 posted 10/20/20 10:05pm

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This demo/multitracks with unreleased or isolated vocals is a must-heard
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https://youtu.be/FC_w0vKTSWg
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Reply #37 posted 10/20/20 10:08pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cABo5A4mSA&list=RDbJZ9qF6TTKU&index=3


This song, we love you is in fact the demo of All Nite Dancing on Destiny, so it can't be from the Triumph session.
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Reply #38 posted 10/20/20 10:43pm

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wilmer said:

I happen to like late 80's new jack swing and there's a couple cuts there that have that vibe, some of the other just grew on.

There were 5 Jackson related albums released in 1989:

The Jacksons ~ 2300 Jackson Street
Jermaine Jackson ~ Don't Take It Personal
Randy & The Gypsys ~ Randy & The Gypsys
Janet Jackson ~ Rhythm Nation 1814
Jackie Jackson ~ Be The One

Rebbie & LaToya had albums out in 1988. Michael & Marlon released albums in 1987. The Jacksons also had a song called Time Out For The Burglar on the soundtrack for Whoopi Goldberg's movie in 1987.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #39 posted 10/21/20 8:36am

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Between BOTDF and Invincible, there was a constant rumour about a new The Jacksons album with MJ.
It would have been a good timing if they released it in 1999 ( for the 30th anniversary of IWYB).
Something in the like of The Rainbow Children, it would have made a great Jackson album.
Maybe Prince would have collaborated with them. After he used to cover their songs in concert.
"Prince and the Jacksons", that sounds great.
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Reply #40 posted 10/21/20 8:43am

mrwiggles

Fantastic album. I loved Can You Feel It from the getgo. Love the tympanic drums on it. Lovely One lit me up when it would come on the radio and This Place Hotel floors me everytime.

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Reply #41 posted 10/21/20 8:52am

Dalia11

Good song, yes.
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Reply #42 posted 10/21/20 1:07pm

alphastreet

RODSERLING said:

alphastreet said:



I’m also a new jack swing fan but didn’t like the album. Even though word to the badd was a Michael diss, I actually really like the production on it and the melody, as long as it’s the edited one about a relationship. Now that is underrated


I really like the MJ diss version. I surprised myself to listen to it lately on the way to my job.
This is really cool stuff


I have to admit Jermaine sounds passionate about his anger towards mj and I love his voice lol
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Reply #43 posted 10/21/20 2:33pm

slyjackson

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alphastreet said:
I tried to like 2300 Jackson street but couldn’t get into it. I feel like they really declined and lacked the magic they had collaborating with gamble and huff
The Gamble and Huff albums were meh, especially Going Places. They shouldn't have released 2300 JS without at least, one true MJ song.

Their first album is very good.

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Reply #44 posted 10/21/20 11:07pm

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2300 Jackson Street is not a bad album. Lots of the tracks have grown on me. I have an affinity for 80's adult contemporary, and If You'd Only Believe and Private Affair really grew on me. The title track isn't amazing, but it is nice to hear the family together. Nothin That Compares 2 U is a great new jack track, as is Midnight Rendezvous.

Not an amazing album, but certainly several decent tracks on it.

With Victory, it wasn't the only album that suffered from that 80's sound. EVERYONE did it. That was the style of the time, it just hasn't aged well for some reason. You listen to Stevie Wonder concerts from that time and it sounds like they were done with children's toy keyboards. Some of the songs have aged well with that sound, but many sound outdated.

The bigger problem with Victory was that it sounded more like a compilation than a group effort. It's strange they went on tour together for the album, but didn't get together as a cohesive unit to record it like they did previous albums.

Triumph really is the best of thier work, imo. They hit their stride with Destiny, but they really tore it up with this one. The Thriller of The Jacksons.

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Reply #45 posted 10/22/20 12:57am

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I agree.The album sounds disjointed to me.Also,I don't think that Michael was really enthusiastic about doing that album.One of his songs,in fact,is a duet with Mick Jagger instead of one of his own brothers.After Thriller,he was clearly more interested in his solo career.

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The bigger problem with Victory was that it sounded more like a compilation than a group effort. It's strange they went on tour together for the album, but didn't get together as a cohesive unit to record it like they did previous albums.

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Reply #46 posted 10/22/20 2:34am

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Very solid album, with great songwriting and composition, not surprising it was their last great album as Mike was checking out. I like the blended genré elements. It's interesting that they were among a few high-profile groups in 1980 that released a post-Disco album which was close to the best works of their careers and really closed out that era.

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Reply #47 posted 10/23/20 7:25pm

alphastreet

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Very solid album, with great songwriting and composition, not surprising it was their last great album as Mike was checking out. I like the blended genré elements. It's interesting that they were among a few high-profile groups in 1980 that released a post-Disco album which was close to the best works of their careers and really closed out that era.



Yes I believe they also peaked with destiny and triumph
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Reply #48 posted 10/26/20 12:39pm

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Was 2300 Jackson Street the start of the MJ/Teddy Riley connection? I see Teddy produced a couple tracks on the album. Wasn't sure if this was out it initially started.

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Reply #49 posted 10/26/20 2:37pm

alphastreet

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Was 2300 Jackson Street the start of the MJ/Teddy Riley connection? I see Teddy produced a couple tracks on the album. Wasn't sure if this was out it initially started.



Yes he produced the title track though I don’t think he met mj until it was time to work on Dangerous. I remember him talking about their first meeting
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Reply #50 posted 10/26/20 3:10pm

slyjackson

alphastreet said:

spacedolphin said:

Very solid album, with great songwriting and composition, not surprising it was their last great album as Mike was checking out. I like the blended genré elements. It's interesting that they were among a few high-profile groups in 1980 that released a post-Disco album which was close to the best works of their careers and really closed out that era.

Yes I believe they also peaked with destiny and triumph

They peak lyrically wise with Destiny and musically with Triumph.

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Reply #51 posted 10/26/20 3:13pm

alphastreet

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alphastreet said:


spacedolphin said:

Very solid album, with great songwriting and composition, not surprising it was their last great album as Mike was checking out. I like the blended genré elements. It's interesting that they were among a few high-profile groups in 1980 that released a post-Disco album which was close to the best works of their careers and really closed out that era.



Yes I believe they also peaked with destiny and triumph

They peak lyrically wise with Destiny and musically with Triumph.



Omg I love the lyrics on Destiny, I found them so relatable
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Reply #52 posted 10/27/20 12:50am

slyjackson

alphastreet said:

slyjackson said:



alphastreet said:


spacedolphin said:

Very solid album, with great songwriting and composition, not surprising it was their last great album as Mike was checking out. I like the blended genré elements. It's interesting that they were among a few high-profile groups in 1980 that released a post-Disco album which was close to the best works of their careers and really closed out that era.



Yes I believe they also peaked with destiny and triumph

They peak lyrically wise with Destiny and musically with Triumph.



Omg I love the lyrics on Destiny, I found them so relatable

Indeed specially the great ballad trio Destiny, Bless His Soul and That’s What you Get
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Reply #53 posted 10/28/20 2:10pm

wilmer

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alphastreet said:



Omg I love the lyrics on Destiny, I found them so relatable

Indeed specially the great ballad trio Destiny, Bless His Soul and That’s What you Get


I adore That's What You Get For Being Polite. Did y'all hear how Will.I.am sampled it on Masters of the Sun. I don't think Mike ever performed it live. This one and Show you the way to go are faves.
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Reply #54 posted 10/28/20 2:20pm

alphastreet

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alphastreet said:



Omg I love the lyrics on Destiny, I found them so relatable

Indeed specially the great ballad trio Destiny, Bless His Soul and That’s What you Get


Yes exactly what I was thinking!
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Reply #55 posted 10/29/20 2:06pm

slyjackson

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Indeed specially the great ballad trio Destiny, Bless His Soul and That’s What you Get
I adore That's What You Get For Being Polite. Did y'all hear how Will.I.am sampled it on Masters of the Sun. I don't think Mike ever performed it live. This one and Show you the way to go are faves.

Love it. He never performed that song live, he never performed so many great songs live.

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Reply #56 posted 10/29/20 2:25pm

alphastreet

I wish who is it was performed live other than on Oprah
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Reply #57 posted 10/29/20 3:54pm

slyjackson

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I wish who is it was performed live other than on Oprah

It's a crime, the same with RTT

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Reply #58 posted 11/09/20 8:43pm

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On a Jackson fansite & Twitter it's being said that Bruce Swedien is in the hospital with Covid

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #59 posted 11/09/20 9:40pm

alphastreet

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On a Jackson fansite & Twitter it's being said that Bruce Swedien is in the hospital with Covid


Also read that, hope he pulls through
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