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Reply #60 posted 10/23/18 12:17pm

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Of course its not dead. If you look at the charts you might think, but there are so many rockbands around. And remember, its mostly rock that is still selling out stadiums. Its funny, when i was 15 i hated rock, now im 45 and i love it.


You're 45 now! I have to let that sink in.

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Reply #61 posted 10/23/18 12:59pm

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We could just as easily ask: is blues dead? Is reggae dead? It's just hard to come up with original ideas in a genre that has been around for so long and young people start looking for something that they find more appealing.
But there's one thing I've noticed watching cover bands in bars: when they started playing rock & roll, everybody started dancing, even young folks who had never heard of Chuck Berry.
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Reply #62 posted 10/23/18 1:35pm

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MickyDolenz said:

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Nirvana killed it.

How is that? Hootie & The Blowfish was considered rock and they were extremely popular in the 1990s and they're nowhere near grunge. Hootie's lead singer has Darius Rucker has become a popular country singer in recent years. Bon Jovi, U2, Eric Clapton, Rod Stewart, & Aerosmith were still popular in the 1990s too.

Hip hop changed music more than grunge did. It influenced rock music. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Rage Against The Machine, etc. all had rap elements in it. Blondie had a big hit with Rapture. Aerosmith's career was resurrected by working with Run DMC. Public Enemy did a song and tour with Anthrax. Beastie Boys was played on alternative rock radio in the 1990s. There was the rock/rap collabo soundtrack Judgement Night. Many rock fans embraced rap, instead of rebelling like they did with "disco sucks" t-shirts and blowing up disco records & rioting at the baseball game in the 1970s. Rock & rap was considered cool but rock acts making disco records was seen as "selling out". Notice the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame started inducting hip hop artists as soon as they were eligible. But Chic has been nominated around 10 times but has not gotten in. Donna Summer likely got in because she had died recently the year she was inducted.

New Jack Swing was R&B singing mixed with hip hop sounds and early 1990s groups like Bell Biv DeVoe, Jodeci, TLC, Jade, Xscape and others dressed in a street style. The suit and tie look of Luther Vandross & Freddie Jackson and matching suits of The Temptations was mostly out with the New Jack era acts. Many of Weird Al's later parodies were rap hits and he also did one of those Epic Rap Battles of History. There's hip hop in modern country music, jazz, zydeco, blues, gospel, dance music, and even symphony orchestras are doing it. There's sub genres like chap hop, horrorcore, hick hop, backpack rap, gospel rap, etc. Several rappers have become big movie and TV stars in a way that pop & rock singers before them failed. Straight Outta Compton is the highest grossing music biopic ever. Dr. Dre & will.i.am made a lot of money from Beats headphones.

Many veteran acts have done songs with rappers like Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, B.B. King, The Dramatics, Chaka Khan, Mick Jagger, Michael Bolton, Bob Dylan, Isley Brothers, Herbie Hancock, Elton John, Stevie Wonder, Sting, Aretha Franklin, Daryl Hall, Willie Nelson, Jimmy Page, David Bowie, Phil Collins, Lionel Richie, etc. ZZ Top remade the DJ DMD song 25 Lighters. There's a TV show hosted by Method Man called Drop The Mic where celebrities do rap battles with each other. One of them is by Kenny G & Richard Marx.



Nirvana changed rock and roll from being about fun, to being about how much life sucks.

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Reply #63 posted 10/23/18 1:54pm

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It's as dead as disco was in 1980.

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Reply #64 posted 10/23/18 2:05pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Nirvana changed rock and roll from being about fun, to being about how much life sucks.

Rock n roll is an offspring of the blues, and what was the blues generally about? My woman or man left me, I drank too much and got in a fight, I killed a man, a storm came and my town flooded, etc. Not all blues songs were about that, but the title "blues" itself is about sadness & suffering.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #65 posted 10/23/18 3:53pm

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All music is dead, no creativity or good music anymore.

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Reply #66 posted 10/23/18 4:30pm

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The genre itself is still literally alive but on a mainstream level, it has been replaced by rap/hip hop. I see nothing wrong with hip hop being the most dominant genre, however I wish on a mainstream level we had some better hip hop to listen to and rock was only supplanted rather than replaced for variety's sake.

Rock isn't dead, the charts are. No, not because rock itself is practically non-existent on them but because of the nature of the charts these days.
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Reply #67 posted 10/24/18 7:08am

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MickyDolenz said:

RodeoSchro said:

Nirvana changed rock and roll from being about fun, to being about how much life sucks.

Rock n roll is an offspring of the blues, and what was the blues generally about? My woman or man left me, I drank too much and got in a fight, I killed a man, a storm came and my town flooded, etc. Not all blues songs were about that, but the title "blues" itself is about sadness & suffering.



We're talking about rock and roll, and rock and roll used to be about having fun. Nirvana changed it into about how much life sucks.

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Reply #68 posted 10/24/18 7:50am

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RodeoSchro said:

MickyDolenz said:

Rock n roll is an offspring of the blues, and what was the blues generally about? My woman or man left me, I drank too much and got in a fight, I killed a man, a storm came and my town flooded, etc. Not all blues songs were about that, but the title "blues" itself is about sadness & suffering.



We're talking about rock and roll, and rock and roll used to be about having fun. Nirvana changed it into about how much life sucks.


That is The Blues. lol

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Reply #69 posted 10/24/18 7:54am

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This is what the local station is playing - all 90s or 2000s. Nothing new. They used to play new shit, like when all of these songs were new, they were adding them to the mix.

Jet "Are You Gonna Be My Girl"
The Trews "Paranoid Freak"
Killers "Mr. Brightside"
Blink 182 "What's My Age Again"
Theory Of A Deadman "Santa Monica"
Nirvana "Come As Your Are"
Awolnation "Sail"
Counting Crows "Mr. Jones"
The Tragically Hip "Wheat Kings"
AC/DC "Moneytalks"
Sloan "Money City Maniacs"
Weezer "Say It Ain't So"
Jimmy Eat World "The Middle"
Sum 41 "The Hell Song"
Guns N Roses "Welcome To The Jungle"
Stone Temple Pilots "Interstate Love Song"
Sublime "Santeria"

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Reply #70 posted 10/24/18 8:04am

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RodeoSchro said:

MickyDolenz said:

Rock n roll is an offspring of the blues, and what was the blues generally about? My woman or man left me, I drank too much and got in a fight, I killed a man, a storm came and my town flooded, etc. Not all blues songs were about that, but the title "blues" itself is about sadness & suffering.



We're talking about rock and roll, and rock and roll used to be about having fun. Nirvana changed it into about how much life sucks.


was 'darkness on the edge of town' about having fun? was 'dark side of the moon'? was 'paranoid'? was '...and justice for all'? was 'london calling'? 'green river'?

all of those (and countless others) were arguably 'about how much life sucks', or were at least decidedly NOT about having fun...

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Reply #71 posted 10/24/18 9:01am

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peedub said:

RodeoSchro said:



We're talking about rock and roll, and rock and roll used to be about having fun. Nirvana changed it into about how much life sucks.


was 'darkness on the edge of town' about having fun? was 'dark side of the moon'? was 'paranoid'? was '...and justice for all'? was 'london calling'? 'green river'?

all of those (and countless others) were arguably 'about how much life sucks', or were at least decidedly NOT about having fun...




I understand my statement is a generalization. I think of it like a see-saw, on which one side represents Having Fun and the other side represents Life Sucks:

Pre-Nirvana the Having Fun Songs side was far heavier than the Life Sucks Songs side.

Post-Nirvana the Life Sucks Songs side is now far heavier than the Having Fun Songs side.

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Reply #72 posted 10/24/18 9:17am

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RodeoSchro said:

peedub said:


was 'darkness on the edge of town' about having fun? was 'dark side of the moon'? was 'paranoid'? was '...and justice for all'? was 'london calling'? 'green river'?

all of those (and countless others) were arguably 'about how much life sucks', or were at least decidedly NOT about having fun...




I understand my statement is a generalization. I think of it like a see-saw, on which one side represents Having Fun and the other side represents Life Sucks:

Pre-Nirvana the Having Fun Songs side was far heavier than the Life Sucks Songs side.

Post-Nirvana the Life Sucks Songs side is now far heavier than the Having Fun Songs side.


art reflects life...seems more an observation of the consumer than the artist. hence versificator style cardi b yuck yucks aimed at dipshit cell phone zombies.

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Reply #73 posted 10/24/18 9:25am

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Cinny said:

This is what the local station is playing - all 90s or 2000s. Nothing new. They used to play new shit, like when all of these songs were new, they were adding them to the mix.

Jet "Are You Gonna Be My Girl"
The Trews "Paranoid Freak"
Killers "Mr. Brightside"
Blink 182 "What's My Age Again"
Theory Of A Deadman "Santa Monica"
Nirvana "Come As Your Are"
Awolnation "Sail"
Counting Crows "Mr. Jones"
The Tragically Hip "Wheat Kings"
AC/DC "Moneytalks"
Sloan "Money City Maniacs"
Weezer "Say It Ain't So"
Jimmy Eat World "The Middle"
Sum 41 "The Hell Song"
Guns N Roses "Welcome To The Jungle"
Stone Temple Pilots "Interstate Love Song"
Sublime "Santeria"


commercial/mainstream radio's ambition is not to expose the general public to art/culture. commercial/mainstream radio's ambition is to sell pepsi.

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Reply #74 posted 10/25/18 5:09pm

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RodeoSchro said:

I understand my statement is a generalization. I think of it like a see-saw, on which one side represents Having Fun and the other side represents Life Sucks:

Pre-Nirvana the Having Fun Songs side was far heavier than the Life Sucks Songs side.

Post-Nirvana the Life Sucks Songs side is now far heavier than the Having Fun Songs side.

But rock is not really popular with modern Top 40 listeners at all, fun or no fun. Unless you count Maroon 5 as rock n roll. The closest in sound to rock music that is popular now with mainstream audiences would be country.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #75 posted 10/27/18 9:05pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

The genre itself is still literally alive but on a mainstream level, it has been replaced by rap/hip hop. I see nothing wrong with hip hop being the most dominant genre, however I wish on a mainstream level we had some better hip hop to listen to and rock was only supplanted rather than replaced for variety's sake. Rock isn't dead, the charts are. No, not because rock itself is practically non-existent on them but because of the nature of the charts these days.

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Reply #76 posted 10/28/18 2:58pm

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MickyDolenz said:

RodeoSchro said:

I understand my statement is a generalization. I think of it like a see-saw, on which one side represents Having Fun and the other side represents Life Sucks:

Pre-Nirvana the Having Fun Songs side was far heavier than the Life Sucks Songs side.

Post-Nirvana the Life Sucks Songs side is now far heavier than the Having Fun Songs side.

But rock is not really popular with modern Top 40 listeners at all, fun or no fun. Unless you count Maroon 5 as rock n roll. The closest in sound to rock music that is popular now with mainstream audiences would be country.

That's the point, Rock still exists on a local "underground" level but it isn't popular with the mainstream audiences any more...

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Reply #77 posted 10/30/18 2:15am

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domainator2010 said:

What do you think?



*Me* personally, I'm of the opinion that it died about 20 years or so ago.....


Nope. Hip Hop/Rap may dominate the charts but Rock groups(in general) still do well in concert ticket sales. For the last 20 years or so(actually a lot longer than that), rock groups have constantly been among the highest grossing tours.

And as for my personal tastes? Hell no. I listen to everything(except opera), but besides funk and jazz, rock is my go to genre. Also, rockers seem to appreciate the past(music wise), so there will always be a market for rock music.

Also, there's some interesting rock bands out there. They may not sell a shit load of units, but they are trying to mix things up a bit(music wise). I guess some Hip Hop/Rap artists are trying to do the same, but i just think a lot of it is boring as shit(mainly in the lyric department). Just like a lot of today's...??? i guess you could call it pop rock, folk rock, or indie pop. A lot of it does nothing for me. Quite a bit of it sounds the same to me. Same tiny vocals and same meh, music. It has no bite.

Anyway, to each his/her own. peace

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Reply #78 posted 10/30/18 9:46am

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Cinny said:



nextedition said:


Of course its not dead. If you look at the charts you might think, but there are so many rockbands around. And remember, its mostly rock that is still selling out stadiums. Its funny, when i was 15 i hated rock, now im 45 and i love it.


You're 45 now! I have to let that sink in.


Haha time flies!
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Reply #79 posted 10/30/18 9:57pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

That's the point, Rock still exists on a local "underground" level

Polka & Renaissance Faire style ancient music exists on an underground level too.

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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #80 posted 10/31/18 3:31pm

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RodeoSchro said:

peedub said:


was 'darkness on the edge of town' about having fun? was 'dark side of the moon'? was 'paranoid'? was '...and justice for all'? was 'london calling'? 'green river'?

all of those (and countless others) were arguably 'about how much life sucks', or were at least decidedly NOT about having fun...




I understand my statement is a generalization. I think of it like a see-saw, on which one side represents Having Fun and the other side represents Life Sucks:

Pre-Nirvana the Having Fun Songs side was far heavier than the Life Sucks Songs side.

Post-Nirvana the Life Sucks Songs side is now far heavier than the Having Fun Songs side.


This is exactly the same in hip hop pre- and post-The Chronic. Such a big gangsta rap album but it was a double edged sword for the genre.

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Reply #81 posted 10/31/18 4:42pm

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When someone says a culture or artform is dead, they don't mean it literally doesn't exist anymore. What they mean is it's not popular, or financially viable. It's no longer the blood in the veins of the dominant culture.

In the past, when people said rock is dead, they generally meant the music had become stagnant or regressive. And usually a new group of musicians would come along and breath new life into it. But now rock is just not selling or appealing to the young generation. It's probably rock's rebellious attitude comes off as fake or wrongheaded to millennials and generation z who really want to be part of the establishment. They want to change it from within, not to give it the finger.

You might as well ask why the blues, or bluegrass is no longer popular. It's probably because the music is really old. It had its time to shine and now something else has to take it over. I have no doubt in five or ten years rap and pop will be in the same position.

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Reply #82 posted 10/31/18 4:54pm

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lrn36 said:

When someone says a culture or artform is dead, they don't mean it literally doesn't exist anymore. What they mean is it's not popular, or financially viable. It's no longer the blood in the veins of the dominant culture.


In the past, when people said rock is dead, they generally meant the music had become stagnant or regressive. And usually a new group of musicians would come along and breath new life into it. But now rock is just not selling or appealing to the young generation. It's probably rock's rebellious attitude comes off as fake or wrongheaded to millennials and generation z who really want to be part of the establishment. They want to change it from within, not to give it the finger.


You might as well ask why the blues, or bluegrass is no longer popular. It's probably because the music is really old. It had its time to shine and now something else has to take it over. I have no doubt in five or ten years rap and pop will be in the same position.


Pop music already feels like it's in that position, honestly. Granted it's still on the charts (and always will be) but it seems like people are paying less attention. I don't listen to the radio anymore or go out of my way to hear most of the new mainstream stuff but based on conversations I had with many people, neither do they.

Pop music feels borderline irrelevant these days. People still buy it and listen to it because that's the primary thing promoted to them but it doesn't dominate the mainstream like it once did. Rappers may generally take up a less positions on the charts but are more talked about than pop artists now. It's strange; seems like we're in a transitional period for the mainstream scene.
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Reply #83 posted 10/31/18 7:47pm

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I predict this will be the next popular form of music for the "mainstream..." lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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