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Reply #30 posted 08/28/18 1:37pm

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PeteSilas said:

also, hate to mention it but TTD's biggest enemy might have been himself, not everyone likes big mouth rockstars. He copied ali, but people went to see ali in equal parts to watch him win and hoping he would lose. with a rockstar, they just will change the channell or not buy your record. Maybe if he could have dropped the semantics after the first album, that's another thing, grunge, sold as an antidote to all the overblown personalities and antics of the 80's guys, even though they were just as phoney and pretentious with their poor boy, fucked up, "angst" ridden act. It was a backlash to the MJ's, Prince's, Guns'and roses, George Michaels and let's not forget that people were getting real tired of obviously phoney acts like new kids, paula adbul, milli vanilli, it was all part backlash. SODS' failure was certainly not because the music wasn't brilliant, no one wanted to give it a chance. as far as rumours that he was sabotaged by mj, i believe that if people really want to hear you, they will get ahold of your stuff no matter waht.

I think TTD wasn't so much of an 80's star in the sense that he only appeared in the late 80's and that it was still time for him to redefine himself. There was hip-hop and grunge, true, but there were also other movements that defined the decade and were way more sophisticated, namely Brit pop and electronic music (starting with trip-hop). Acid jazz also was big in the first part of the decade, with Jamiroquai as its most successful incarnation. And then again there was a massive nostalgia for the 70's that had an impact on virtually every genre.

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TTD and Lenny were doing more or less the same thing, and yet Lenny was popular and TTD wasn't so much. Now why was Are You Gonna Go My Way a hit and why wasn't She Kissed Me? Why was It Ain't Over Till It's Over a major hit and Delicate a minor one? Both were black musicians playing rock, both made music that was strongly infused with 70's nostalgia. I'm not sure but really I think the reason is TTD was 1/ not pushed as much by his label and 2/ too intellectual and not "fun" enough for teenagers and particularly teenage girls to trip on.

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Now I'd have to watch the music videos again, I'm not sure I remember how TTD marketed himself. If he made himself look as an 80's phoney as you put it, I can believe it might have gone in the way of success. I'd say 80's stars were still and commercially succesful big up until late 92/early 93, the big change was really 1993, when the new generation really took over. At least it was like that in France, it might have been earlier in the US and UK because there, things usually happened a bit earlier than in the rest of Europe.

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Reply #31 posted 08/28/18 1:43pm

PeteSilas

TheFman said:

PeteSilas said:

you are a grunge fan huh? I didn't get it, sorry, little whiney white boys talking about how tortured they were, I didn't want to hear it, I've seen real oppression and they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

It's the best thing to come out of the 90's...

I thought then and still do that Cobain was a great songwriter, but so were my heroes and they did a lot more than he did, it was anticlimatic for me. It was a natural backlash to the excess of the 80's but it was every bit as phoney. I never liked phoniness, as big a Prince fan I was, I never did like a lot of the glitz, i know it's showbiz and all, and I obviously liked enough of the clothes, the attitude to stay a fan but for me, it always came down to whether I liked the music. Some of the grunge was ok, I just never liked the attitude, i didn't like the disrespect which was blatant, for the tradition that spawned them and I didn't like the self-destructiveness and they wallowed in it. My heroes were self-destructive and they were ashamed of it, big difference with the same results. Didn't help that i was in seattle and how could a little Indian boy, influenced by black music and elvis, how would anyone even care when they were looking for people with ripped clothes and green hair? It didn't help me at all and not because I wasn't talented. I wasn't gonna change for it though.

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Reply #32 posted 08/28/18 1:51pm

PeteSilas

I really don't know what to put it down to but I do know, with his kind of music, his contemporaries were also having problems with grunge and hip hop. Mj reacted by redefining some of his sound and coming out with his own angst riddled "blood on the dancefloor" which was his answer but nothing like grunge really. Prince reacted by hiring tony m and pissing off a lot of his ride or die fans by trying to get the hip hop audience, it was a tough time for them. Grunge and Prince? I don't really know if it encouraged him to do harder stuff like Chaos and Disorder or not but no matter what he would do, no one was gonna buy him as a grunge artist even if was better. Kids want something they can claim as their own, we did it too. TTD? He never established himself, his ambition was staggering and totally too much for his new fans, NFNF was fine but the people who would have maybe loved some more Hardline simplicity weren't gonna listen to whales and shit. Like i said a lot of people didn't like his attitude either. That shouldn't matter but it does, his music was some of the best of the time, his voice was way more than MJ or Prince put together could match, he was unbelievably great, the songs were fantastic, how do you explain it? sometimes you really can't. I watched an interview with Leonard Bernstein, he mentioned how he got tired of talking about West Side Story and explained how many other things he'd done and sweated over which either didn't succeed or didn't even make it to fruition as projects. He had no explanation other than god, he figured his job was to keep working hard and forget the rest.

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

also, hate to mention it but TTD's biggest enemy might have been himself, not everyone likes big mouth rockstars. He copied ali, but people went to see ali in equal parts to watch him win and hoping he would lose. with a rockstar, they just will change the channell or not buy your record. Maybe if he could have dropped the semantics after the first album, that's another thing, grunge, sold as an antidote to all the overblown personalities and antics of the 80's guys, even though they were just as phoney and pretentious with their poor boy, fucked up, "angst" ridden act. It was a backlash to the MJ's, Prince's, Guns'and roses, George Michaels and let's not forget that people were getting real tired of obviously phoney acts like new kids, paula adbul, milli vanilli, it was all part backlash. SODS' failure was certainly not because the music wasn't brilliant, no one wanted to give it a chance. as far as rumours that he was sabotaged by mj, i believe that if people really want to hear you, they will get ahold of your stuff no matter waht.

I think TTD wasn't so much of an 80's star in the sense that he only appeared in the late 80's and that it was still time for him to redefine himself. There was hip-hop and grunge, true, but there were also other movements that defined the decade and were way more sophisticated, namely Brit pop and electronic music (starting with trip-hop). Acid jazz also was big in the first part of the decade, with Jamiroquai as its most successful incarnation. And then again there was a massive nostalgia for the 70's that had an impact on virtually every genre.

.

TTD and Lenny were doing more or less the same thing, and yet Lenny was popular and TTD wasn't so much. Now why was Are You Gonna Go My Way a hit and why wasn't She Kissed Me? Why was It Ain't Over Till It's Over a major hit and Delicate a minor one? Both were black musicians playing rock, both made music that was strongly infused with 70's nostalgia. I'm not sure but really I think the reason is TTD was 1/ not pushed as much by his label and 2/ too intellectual and not "fun" enough for teenagers and particularly teenage girls to trip on.

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Now I'd have to watch the music videos again, I'm not sure I remember how TTD marketed himself. If he made himself look as an 80's phoney as you put it, I can believe it might have gone in the way of success. I'd say 80's stars were still and commercially succesful big up until late 92/early 93, the big change was really 1993, when the new generation really took over. At least it was like that in France, it might have been earlier in the US and UK because there, things usually happened a bit earlier than in the rest of Europe.

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Reply #33 posted 08/28/18 1:58pm

PeteSilas

Also, i remember how George Michael came out with an album with the same 80's schtick of the carefully sculpted five o'clock shade, the poses etc.., and as soon as I saw the cover I thought "that's not gonna work today" and it didn't. Sometimes, success is the worst thing in the world for art because people often try to repeat something that worked at one time/place and try it over and over again at other time/places. MJ really couldn't bomb, even if he tried, commercially, but I always thought he was stuck in the thriller era, and unlike Prince, who immediatley tried new things, he kept trying to outsell thriller with the same tired formula. So, we have TTD who tried what Prince did but he didn't have nearly the base Prince did and he failed. They were all having a time by 92. Springsteen alienated a ton of fans with the new look, the new band, it's a fine line, evolve/stay the same-success/failure.

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Reply #34 posted 08/29/18 1:52am

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This Guardian interview is about a year old but thought it was quite interesting from his point of view

Why Terence Trent D'Arby became Sananda Maitreya: 'It was that or death'
In 1987, his debut album saw him hailed as a rival to Michael Jackson and Prince – but then his star crashed and burned. He talks about the nervous breakdown that triggered his identity change, living as a recluse and the music industry’s ‘Olympian’ conspiracy to bring him down



https://www.theguardian.c...t-or-death
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Reply #35 posted 08/29/18 9:10am

Germanegro

TheFman said:

PeteSilas said:

you are a grunge fan huh? I didn't get it, sorry, little whiney white boys talking about how tortured they were, I didn't want to hear it, I've seen real oppression and they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

It's the best thing to come out of the 90's...

Nah! My vote for the best musical emergence of the 90s would go to the rise of Electronica--certainly beating Grunge by a mile, as too many of those acts were just dressed-down rock retreads, IMO. Yeah, TTD hadn't the chance to cultivate his audience in the 90s--he was too challenging in content and diverse in artistic range to captivate a broad core audience.

>

Symphony or Damn was a great album for sure. You can say that his early ego-expansiveness was a turnoff to many, too, still displayed in the expressions by some then-otherwise-would-be-fans. Sananda's persistent maligning of that legendary G.O.A.T. label-mate talent (MJ), and the label itself (Sony) haven't lended him any more sympathy from the same old butthurt crowd. I too wish that he'd shut up about it, but hey, whatever lights your fire.

>

With the help of his old label he delivered a good product. The label dropped him though, so he dissapeared up his butt where he found a little nugget of gold that's produced his post-TTD body of work. His quality of life is leveled-off to a comfortable plateau and he's found his steady core audience. After many albums of working with a trio band, he's now got a larger one, The Sugar Plum Pharaohs, so we'll see where that leads. I'm one who has actually immensley enjoyed his Post-Milleneum Rock output, while I continue to dig his older output, may Sananda rock on!

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Reply #36 posted 08/29/18 9:23am

Germanegro

BTW, SM has a new audio interview up on his website, for those with the time and interest to check out: eng THE HUSTLE - PODBEAN ... INTERVIEW

https://www.sanandamaitre...interviews

[Edited 8/29/18 11:20am]

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Reply #37 posted 08/29/18 11:40am

PeteSilas

Germanegro said:

TheFman said:

It's the best thing to come out of the 90's...

Nah! My vote for the best musical emergence of the 90s would go to the rise of Electronica--certainly beating Grunge by a mile, as too many of those acts were just dressed-down rock retreads, IMO. Yeah, TTD hadn't the chance to cultivate his audience in the 90s--he was too challenging in content and diverse in artistic range to captivate a broad core audience.

>

Symphony or Damn was a great album for sure. You can say that his early ego-expansiveness was a turnoff to many, too, still displayed in the expressions by some then-otherwise-would-be-fans. Sananda's persistent maligning of that legendary G.O.A.T. label-mate talent (MJ), and the label itself (Sony) haven't lended him any more sympathy from the same old butthurt crowd. I too wish that he'd shut up about it, but hey, whatever lights your fire.

>

With the help of his old label he delivered a good product. The label dropped him though, so he dissapeared up his butt where he found a little nugget of gold that's produced his post-TTD body of work. His quality of life is leveled-off to a comfortable plateau and he's found his steady core audience. After many albums of working with a trio band, he's now got a larger one, The Sugar Plum Pharaohs, so we'll see where that leads. I'm one who has actually immensley enjoyed his Post-Milleneum Rock output, while I continue to dig his older output, may Sananda rock on!

headbang

i'm just glad he's alive and tell him that, the old music and performances still have that rock and roll magic, it's still exciting to go back and watch that stuff every now and then. I saw him live once too and it was the best vocal performance i ever saw.

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Reply #38 posted 08/29/18 8:39pm

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Germanegro said:

BTW, SM has a new audio interview up on his website, for those with the time and interest to check out: eng THE HUSTLE - PODBEAN ... INTERVIEW

https://www.sanandamaitre...interviews

[Edited 8/29/18 11:20am]

* head still up his butt

* the only 'serving' done in the military is to your corporate overlords

* murder attempts do not surprise me in the least. He is worth far more dead than alive, for obvious reasons. His gold needs to be sold. The bronze and aluminium can be his.

* he mentions Trump briefly but stays silent on Obama, the murderous cokehead filth he promoted (like an excited schoolgirl) on his website. All so- called political leaders are selected before they're 'elected'. All of them are crooks who take their orders from their banking/ military / Big Pharma sponsors. All are drug-trafficking murderous filth. All war profiteers. Sananda, I'm sure, would like to think he is not like all the typical Hollywood celebs, but he is singing the same riskless, eternally boring anti-Trump tune. Snoooze. Get to the real powers the presidential puppet answers to. Listen to Professor Griff if you want an entertainer to tell you who the Real Powers are, as opposed to talking about meaningless figureheads. Especially coming from politically clueless musicians whose only concept of politics involves MJ and lack of promotion.

* 46:53 this is not a new song, Mr Interviewer. It's probably coming close to 20 years old. A very good one too, before all the much-hyped unfiltered 'freedom' songs came, which sound more unimaginative, riskless, mellow, slow, veiled, soft and boring than I ever thought possible.

* smoke that bong...

He has pushed things forward enough already. For that I am grateful. It does not surprise me he moved closer to the Vatican Mafia to get away from those Other Crooks.

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Reply #39 posted 08/30/18 12:43am

PeteSilas

havent' listened to the podcast but what is this conspiracy gibberish i'm reading.

tump said:

Germanegro said:

BTW, SM has a new audio interview up on his website, for those with the time and interest to check out: eng THE HUSTLE - PODBEAN ... INTERVIEW

https://www.sanandamaitre...interviews

[Edited 8/29/18 11:20am]

* head still up his butt

* the only 'serving' done in the military is to your corporate overlords

* murder attempts do not surprise me in the least. He is worth far more dead than alive, for obvious reasons. His gold needs to be sold. The bronze and aluminium can be his.

* he mentions Trump briefly but stays silent on Obama, the murderous cokehead filth he promoted (like an excited schoolgirl) on his website. All so- called political leaders are selected before they're 'elected'. All of them are crooks who take their orders from their banking/ military / Big Pharma sponsors. All are drug-trafficking murderous filth. All war profiteers. Sananda, I'm sure, would like to think he is not like all the typical Hollywood celebs, but he is singing the same riskless, eternally boring anti-Trump tune. Snoooze. Get to the real powers the presidential puppet answers to. Listen to Professor Griff if you want an entertainer to tell you who the Real Powers are, as opposed to talking about meaningless figureheads. Especially coming from politically clueless musicians whose only concept of politics involves MJ and lack of promotion.

* 46:53 this is not a new song, Mr Interviewer. It's probably coming close to 20 years old. A very good one too, before all the much-hyped unfiltered 'freedom' songs came, which sound more unimaginative, riskless, mellow, slow, veiled, soft and boring than I ever thought possible.

* smoke that bong...

He has pushed things forward enough already. For that I am grateful. It does not surprise me he moved closer to the Vatican Mafia to get away from those Other Crooks.

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Reply #40 posted 08/30/18 6:56am

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For me, this is his masterpiece.

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Reply #41 posted 08/30/18 11:47am

PeteSilas

he's sounding pretty nutty in that interview, i even think he might be putting on it's so out there. all i care about is if he plays live again in the usa.

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Reply #42 posted 08/30/18 1:04pm

Germanegro

Sananda has a few issues. He's chosen to go public with his own conspiracy theories and personal perspective on the idea of social harmony--interesting! The interviewee offers his own unique career perspective and the interviewer is an ardent fan who knows something about Sananda's music. Like many others he mostly enjoys the TTD-era output, and has been pining for years to have a chance to conduct an interview with him.

>

As far as the politico-speak, Tump, yeah we all need to follow the money trail wink

>

BTW, THIS tune could have been an outtake from the Symphony or Damn sessions, as a fever dream lol

tump said:

Germanegro said:

BTW, SM has a new audio interview up on his website, for those with the time and interest to check out: eng THE HUSTLE - PODBEAN ... INTERVIEW

https://www.sanandamaitre...interviews

[Edited 8/29/18 11:20am]

* head still up his butt

* the only 'serving' done in the military is to your corporate overlords

* murder attempts do not surprise me in the least. He is worth far more dead than alive, for obvious reasons. His gold needs to be sold. The bronze and aluminium can be his.

* he mentions Trump briefly but stays silent on Obama, the murderous cokehead filth he promoted (like an excited schoolgirl) on his website. All so- called political leaders are selected before they're 'elected'. All of them are crooks who take their orders from their banking/ military / Big Pharma sponsors. All are drug-trafficking murderous filth. All war profiteers. Sananda, I'm sure, would like to think he is not like all the typical Hollywood celebs, but he is singing the same riskless, eternally boring anti-Trump tune. Snoooze. Get to the real powers the presidential puppet answers to. Listen to Professor Griff if you want an entertainer to tell you who the Real Powers are, as opposed to talking about meaningless figureheads. Especially coming from politically clueless musicians whose only concept of politics involves MJ and lack of promotion.

* 46:53 this is not a new song, Mr Interviewer. It's probably coming close to 20 years old. A very good one too, before all the much-hyped unfiltered 'freedom' songs came, which sound more unimaginative, riskless, mellow, slow, veiled, soft and boring than I ever thought possible.

* smoke that bong...

He has pushed things forward enough already. For that I am grateful. It does not surprise me he moved closer to the Vatican Mafia to get away from those Other Crooks.

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Reply #43 posted 08/30/18 1:14pm

Germanegro

PeteSilas said:

he's sounding pretty nutty in that interview, i even think he might be putting on it's so out there. all i care about is if he plays live again in the usa.

Many just listen to that stuff and write the guy off, but I've wondered, too, is it just that he's off his meds; could he be feeling insecure during interview time; or is he just blowing a lot of smoke to get the public to take note of what he's got cooking on the stove?

lol

At any rate, as long as I enjoy what I'm hearing musically, it's cool. Man, I don't know if he's going to make it Statside--I may have missed a good chance to see him perform in his 90s heyday, which I regret. He's been teasing that note of bringing his band to tour here a bit lately, though!

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Reply #44 posted 08/30/18 1:25pm

PeteSilas

Germanegro said:

PeteSilas said:

he's sounding pretty nutty in that interview, i even think he might be putting on it's so out there. all i care about is if he plays live again in the usa.

Many just listen to that stuff and write the guy off, but I've wondered, too, is it just that he's off his meds; could he be feeling insecure during interview time; or is he just blowing a lot of smoke to get the public to take note of what he's got cooking on the stove?

lol

At any rate, as long as I enjoy what I'm hearing musically, it's cool. Man, I don't know if he's going to make it Statside--I may have missed a good chance to see him perform in his 90s heyday, which I regret. He's been teasing that note of bringing his band to tour here a bit lately, though!

I just told him on facebook that i'd look forward to a us tour, is he crazy or faking? I don't really care too much, pretty much everyone is off if you get to know them. The shit is out there though, no one is murdering all these folks. ironically, i'm arguing now with a guy who thinks sam cooke was murdered on another thread, paranoiad bullshit.

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Reply #45 posted 08/30/18 1:35pm

Germanegro

PeteSilas said:

Germanegro said:

Many just listen to that stuff and write the guy off, but I've wondered, too, is it just that he's off his meds; could he be feeling insecure during interview time; or is he just blowing a lot of smoke to get the public to take note of what he's got cooking on the stove?

lol

At any rate, as long as I enjoy what I'm hearing musically, it's cool. Man, I don't know if he's going to make it Statside--I may have missed a good chance to see him perform in his 90s heyday, which I regret. He's been teasing that note of bringing his band to tour here a bit lately, though!

I just told him on facebook that i'd look forward to a us tour, is he crazy or faking? I don't really care too much, pretty much everyone is off if you get to know them. The shit is out there though, no one is murdering all these folks. ironically, i'm arguing now with a guy who thinks sam cooke was murdered on another thread, paranoiad bullshit.

Yea, I saw that other thread and am happy that I jumped off--I'd already said my piece on the subject (male Aretha-career-counterparts). Sananda did have a minute to get paranoid, though. I read that his Monastereyo (home) studio burned down while he was having some of his contemptuous times with his record label. So maybe stuff could have gotten real--or sombody forgot to blow out all the candles at the end of their last session.

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Reply #46 posted 08/30/18 1:36pm

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Germanegro said:

Nah! My vote for the best musical emergence of the 90s would go to the rise of Electronica--

Is that like Skrillex, where huge crowds go to see a guy pushing buttons with a laser light show?

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #47 posted 08/30/18 1:44pm

Germanegro

MickyDolenz said:

Germanegro said:

Nah! My vote for the best musical emergence of the 90s would go to the rise of Electronica--

Is that like Skrillex, where huge crowds go to see a guy pushing buttons with a laser light show?

Before the EDM scene of today was set with its big stage platform and corporate sponsorship. More like the Rave stuff, Drum 'n Bass, Ambient, Acid Jazz, Industrial, expanded House, Techno--those kind of things. It was heady, instrumentals, machine-filtered stuff, to me.

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Reply #48 posted 08/30/18 1:53pm

PeteSilas

Germanegro said:

PeteSilas said:

I just told him on facebook that i'd look forward to a us tour, is he crazy or faking? I don't really care too much, pretty much everyone is off if you get to know them. The shit is out there though, no one is murdering all these folks. ironically, i'm arguing now with a guy who thinks sam cooke was murdered on another thread, paranoiad bullshit.

Yea, I saw that other thread and am happy that I jumped off--I'd already said my piece on the subject (male Aretha-career-counterparts). Sananda did have a minute to get paranoid, though. I read that his Monastereyo (home) studio burned down while he was having some of his contemptuous times with his record label. So maybe stuff could have gotten real--or sombody forgot to blow out all the candles at the end of their last session.

wink

my best friends house burned down, i worried about him thinking I did it. People are fucked in the heads these days, for good reason I might add.

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Reply #49 posted 08/30/18 2:14pm

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Germanegro said:

Before the EDM scene of today was set with its big stage platform and corporate sponsorship. More like the Rave stuff, Drum 'n Bass, Ambient, Acid Jazz, Industrial, expanded House, Techno--those kind of things. It was heady, instrumentals, machine-filtered stuff, to me.

I thought acid jazz was like 1970s funk & disco style music like Brand New Heavies & Jamiroquai.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #50 posted 08/30/18 2:15pm

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Brand New Heavies made an entire album with rappers of that period like Master Ace.

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Reply #51 posted 08/30/18 5:16pm

Germanegro

MickyDolenz said:

Germanegro said:

Before the EDM scene of today was set with its big stage platform and corporate sponsorship. More like the Rave stuff, Drum 'n Bass, Ambient, Acid Jazz, Industrial, expanded House, Techno--those kind of things. It was heady, instrumentals, machine-filtered stuff, to me.

I thought acid jazz was like 1970s funk & disco style music like Brand New Heavies & Jamiroquai.

I'd call that some Brit Neo-Soul, which could run counter to the official sub-genre tag for those groups, but the 90s also brought more DJs spinning funk-and-jazz mixed with hip-hop beats. Could be the same thing or similar enough, I guess.

From my quick scan on Youtube, here's one mix of what I refer to:

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Reply #52 posted 09/01/18 4:27am

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Love, love, love that album, but it's not the last great one. Vibrator and Wildcard are excellent as well.

With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #53 posted 09/01/18 4:30am

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PeteSilas said:

Germanegro said:

Many just listen to that stuff and write the guy off, but I've wondered, too, is it just that he's off his meds; could he be feeling insecure during interview time; or is he just blowing a lot of smoke to get the public to take note of what he's got cooking on the stove?

lol

At any rate, as long as I enjoy what I'm hearing musically, it's cool. Man, I don't know if he's going to make it Statside--I may have missed a good chance to see him perform in his 90s heyday, which I regret. He's been teasing that note of bringing his band to tour here a bit lately, though!

I just told him on facebook that i'd look forward to a us tour, is he crazy or faking? I don't really care too much, pretty much everyone is off if you get to know them. The shit is out there though, no one is murdering all these folks. ironically, i'm arguing now with a guy who thinks sam cooke was murdered on another thread, paranoiad bullshit.

I didn't talk to him about any conspiracy stuff so I can't comment on that, but from my personal talks with him and from what I know about him he is very much the same when he is not doing interviews and when you talk to him in person.

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Reply #54 posted 09/01/18 1:54pm

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Serious said:

PeteSilas said:

I just told him on facebook that i'd look forward to a us tour, is he crazy or faking? I don't really care too much, pretty much everyone is off if you get to know them. The shit is out there though, no one is murdering all these folks. ironically, i'm arguing now with a guy who thinks sam cooke was murdered on another thread, paranoiad bullshit.

I didn't talk to him about any conspiracy stuff so I can't comment on that, but from my personal talks with him and from what I know about him he is very much the same when he is not doing interviews and when you talk to him in person.

[Edited 9/1/18 4:31am]

Y'know, honestly, I really suspect the same--that he is the same as in, same guy and relatively normal disposition. He's darn precise in his language, generally lucid as his jokes are very sharp, highly insightful in his philosophical conversations, and very personable. Some of the tangents he goes on can put doubts of where that is all coming from in your head. I guess you kind-of have to listen with your heart at some points in his conversation. Unless he's just rambling in order to grab some headlines, it could be a lingering effect of post-traumatic stress from being a successful artist with high pressure exerted by the commercial money-minders just crushing him. He really did go through a lot in his struggles, just like Prince did, only a bit more, evidenced by his need to get maximum distance away from his Terence Trent D'Arby career & identity. And unlike Prince, he kept his struggle a personal thing, bought what work he had done for Sony back from them and moved on. I respect him for the challenges he's gone through, his past productivity, and his current works. I appreciate his current works. I let him know with my wallet.

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Reply #55 posted 09/01/18 6:04pm

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hmmm dunno if he kept his struggle so personal if he came up with this back in '95.
Perhaps in hindsight it was a clue of what was to come later with the name change and such.
For that matter, perhaps the opening lyric in "Do U Love Me" is another clue of his unhappiness at the time:

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Reply #56 posted 09/01/18 8:31pm

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Germanegro said:

Serious said:

I didn't talk to him about any conspiracy stuff so I can't comment on that, but from my personal talks with him and from what I know about him he is very much the same when he is not doing interviews and when you talk to him in person.

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Y'know, honestly, I really suspect the same--that he is the same as in, same guy and relatively normal disposition. He's darn precise in his language, generally lucid as his jokes are very sharp, highly insightful in his philosophical conversations, and very personable. Some of the tangents he goes on can put doubts of where that is all coming from in your head. I guess you kind-of have to listen with your heart at some points in his conversation. Unless he's just rambling in order to grab some headlines, it could be a lingering effect of post-traumatic stress from being a successful artist with high pressure exerted by the commercial money-minders just crushing him. He really did go through a lot in his struggles, just like Prince did, only a bit more, evidenced by his need to get maximum distance away from his Terence Trent D'Arby career & identity. And unlike Prince, he kept his struggle a personal thing, bought what work he had done for Sony back from them and moved on. I respect him for the challenges he's gone through, his past productivity, and his current works. I appreciate his current works. I let him know with my wallet.

i told him i hope he writes a book, i'd get it right away. The way of talking in the business he's in, it's hard to tell if guys are putting on or what. MJ was putting on to some degree, I even thought Prince spoke in an affectation until I heard Andre and realized that they both spoke the exact same, maybe it was a regional thing but I always thought his speaking voice was a put on and still do to a degree. Someone on here said they knew TTD and that he was eccentric so maybe it's really him.

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Reply #57 posted 09/01/18 8:34pm

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Love, love, love that album, but it's not the last great one. Vibrator and Wildcard are excellent as well.

i've got to check out those albums, i just was never impressed with most of the tunes i did hear, they sound like demos, which isn't bad in itself but they lacked the old magic. it was like he was tired and forcing himself to write.

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Reply #58 posted 09/02/18 5:20am

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PeteSilas said:

Serious said:

Love, love, love that album, but it's not the last great one. Vibrator and Wildcard are excellent as well.

i've got to check out those albums, i just was never impressed with most of the tunes i did hear, they sound like demos, which isn't bad in itself but they lacked the old magic. it was like he was tired and forcing himself to write.

Vibrator is deep, with great (if depressing) lyrics, it's not necessarily my favorite but it might be his masterpiece. Wildcard is more of the same, not as impressive IMHO, but very solid nevertheless.

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Reply #59 posted 09/03/18 5:06pm

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All albums up to an including WildCard are masterpieces to my ears.


I have absolutely no doubt he is not shitting us when he says he's had murder attempts. So as far as I'm concerned, this is all conspiracy fact. If you open your mouth too much (affecting the money flows of corporations intent on keeping you placid and stupid), you will always get unwelcome attention.


There is no greater risk than a conscious artist influencing the masses in ways not planned by our corporate parasites.


Which is why we see so many artists that are fu$%ing stupid. But Sananda has been licking his wounds for decades, and has produced a heck of a lot of shit work during his so-called freedom (in my opinion).


His writings(and mouth) are thousands of times more expressive than his music, so I think that skill hasn't been numbed down. I'd buy any book he puts out, as long as it is self-published and is not sold at CIA-collaborating retailers like Amazon.





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