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Reply #30 posted 10/16/20 12:40am

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SoulAlive said:

I'm okay with one SDE a year,and maybe a few other projects a year.....how about a live DVD set containing at least one show from all his tours?


Very good idea, I'd love that.
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Reply #31 posted 10/16/20 1:04am

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JorisE73 said:

- A remastered SDE every 6 months would be cool.
- A Live album CD/DVD every month.
- Every month a "beat the boots" set with tracks that are available on bootlegs that they won't put on SDE's (for example the early versions of Witness.. , Cocoa Boys, Crucial etc.)
- RSD releases with (limited) releases WB refused to release or aborted albums like Camille, Dream Factory, Crystal Ball, Rave Unto The JOy Fantastic, Heart etc.
- Every once in a while a boxset (for example a complete First Avenue boxset with all his appearances there)

It would B interesting but could we keep up? I love Prince & try to listen as much as possible his music from begin till end. We have so much treasures official & unoffical ones....

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Reply #32 posted 10/16/20 3:41am

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Ramzoo said:

JorisE73 said:

- A remastered SDE every 6 months would be cool.
- A Live album CD/DVD every month.
- Every month a "beat the boots" set with tracks that are available on bootlegs that they won't put on SDE's (for example the early versions of Witness.. , Cocoa Boys, Crucial etc.)
- RSD releases with (limited) releases WB refused to release or aborted albums like Camille, Dream Factory, Crystal Ball, Rave Unto The JOy Fantastic, Heart etc.
- Every once in a while a boxset (for example a complete First Avenue boxset with all his appearances there)

It would B interesting but could we keep up? I love Prince & try to listen as much as possible his music from begin till end. We have so much treasures official & unoffical ones....


This isn't too much for me. I can digest a live album and an outtake set easily once a month.
Back in the day I easily went through 10 bootleg releases a month and fully digest them.

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Reply #33 posted 10/16/20 10:39am

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^Yeah, same for me. But there is a difference: in the 20-30 years that have passed since my days as a bootleg collector, I've discovered a lot more music. If Prince was, say, 50% of what I listened to back then, by now it's 10 or 20%. I like the SOTT box set, but I'm not raving about the unreleased songs like I used to.
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Reply #34 posted 10/16/20 3:48pm

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What makes one think they would even release more than one a year?
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Reply #35 posted 10/17/20 12:57pm

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^Wishful thinking.
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Reply #36 posted 10/18/20 7:20pm

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Controversy deluxe with second coming film and new Orleans audio
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Reply #37 posted 10/18/20 9:18pm

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jfenster said:

Controversy deluxe with second coming film and new Orleans audio

I think we would get a Dirty Mind deluxe before Controversy deluxe.

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Reply #38 posted 10/19/20 1:00am

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For future SDE releases, I wouldn't mind the Estate/Sony/Warner taking an approach similar to that which is being taken with Elton John's upcoming 'Jewel Box'.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/..._ss_i_1_20

With that, there's a complete version available on 8 cds, and also parts of the box set are available to buy seperately on vinyl.

Thinking about how that could apply to the Prince SDEs, that could mean that an entire set with a remastered album, b sides and singles, vault tracks, a DVD and a live show would be available as a multi-disc set as normal, but alongside that there wod be seperate releases for just the live set on its own, just the b sides on their own, just the vault tracks on their own etc.

That would suit me perfectly for some potential SDE sets. For example, for the rumoured D and P box, I'd be interested in buying the vault tracks, but I wouldn't be so interested in the remastered core album, or hearing the squillions of remixes of Gett Off and Cream.

Would that not fit the estate/Sony/Warners pricing strategy? Well if you think about it, that is what Sony kind of did with the recent 'Up All Nite With Prince' set...
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Reply #39 posted 10/19/20 8:50pm

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ReddishBrownOne said:

For future SDE releases, I wouldn't mind the Estate/Sony/Warner taking an approach similar to that which is being taken with Elton John's upcoming 'Jewel Box'. https://www.amazon.co.uk/..._ss_i_1_20 With that, there's a complete version available on 8 cds, and also parts of the box set are available to buy seperately on vinyl. Thinking about how that could apply to the Prince SDEs, that could mean that an entire set with a remastered album, b sides and singles, vault tracks, a DVD and a live show would be available as a multi-disc set as normal, but alongside that there wod be seperate releases for just the live set on its own, just the b sides on their own, just the vault tracks on their own etc. That would suit me perfectly for some potential SDE sets. For example, for the rumoured D and P box, I'd be interested in buying the vault tracks, but I wouldn't be so interested in the remastered core album, or hearing the squillions of remixes of Gett Off and Cream. Would that not fit the estate/Sony/Warners pricing strategy? Well if you think about it, that is what Sony kind of did with the recent 'Up All Nite With Prince' set...

There are some good remixes of gett off.

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Reply #40 posted 10/20/20 9:13am

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People saying "one a month" - Are you listening to these releases or just gobbling them up like Pac-Man? It sounds like trying to get it all checked off on a list. You're never, ever getting everything - even if they intended to release it all, you'll be dead before they do. The quality would also undoubtedly drop if they started cranking out releases.

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The SOTT SDE is a LOT of music. We just got a legendary live show on DVD, another on audio and at least 3 albums worth of 'new' music. Enjoy it ffs - drink this one, dont just swill around and spit in the bucket.

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In answer to the OP question - One remaster and one or two single releases a la P&M/Originals or something for Record Store Day is spot on for me. Keep it up.

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Reply #41 posted 10/20/20 9:23am

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OperatingThetan said:

databank said:
Yeah. NPGMC literally offered about an album's worth of new content every month in its first year. I thought back then it was a good pace. I'd gladly have paid more even. . [Edited 10/15/20 5:07am]
The first year was the best, but I do have fond memories of having the NPGMC Year Two rehearsal/aftershow access for the ONA... Live tour in London in 2002. My interaction with Prince in Soho at the first after-party was brief, but very precious to me. But in terms of downloads and monthly excitement, the first year was where it was at. A genuinely wild, pioneering time.

that was a prime time to be a Prince fan!

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Reply #42 posted 10/20/20 10:43am

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kewlschool said:



ReddishBrownOne said:


For future SDE releases, I wouldn't mind the Estate/Sony/Warner taking an approach similar to that which is being taken with Elton John's upcoming 'Jewel Box'. https://www.amazon.co.uk/..._ss_i_1_20 With that, there's a complete version available on 8 cds, and also parts of the box set are available to buy seperately on vinyl. Thinking about how that could apply to the Prince SDEs, that could mean that an entire set with a remastered album, b sides and singles, vault tracks, a DVD and a live show would be available as a multi-disc set as normal, but alongside that there wod be seperate releases for just the live set on its own, just the b sides on their own, just the vault tracks on their own etc. That would suit me perfectly for some potential SDE sets. For example, for the rumoured D and P box, I'd be interested in buying the vault tracks, but I wouldn't be so interested in the remastered core album, or hearing the squillions of remixes of Gett Off and Cream. Would that not fit the estate/Sony/Warners pricing strategy? Well if you think about it, that is what Sony kind of did with the recent 'Up All Nite With Prince' set...

There are some good remixes of gett off.




Yup, I still have the some of the singles, and they are good. But I have no desire to buy them again.
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Reply #43 posted 10/21/20 8:19am

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JorisE73 said:

Ramzoo said:

It would B interesting but could we keep up? I love Prince & try to listen as much as possible his music from begin till end. We have so much treasures official & unoffical ones....


This isn't too much for me. I can digest a live album and an outtake set easily once a month.
Back in the day I easily went through 10 bootleg releases a month and fully digest them.

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Me too.

But since I got older, my interests in music became much much wider.

I also collect everything from Ryuichi Sakamoto, D. Sylvian, Bowie, Max Richter, Nils Frahm, Johann Johansson, etc... Different kidn of music. And lately more and more jazz too,

as well as old seventies funk, disco, eighties new wave...

And now I have too much too handle. wink

At some point, my collection just became too big to handle.

Last year I got rid of some 3500 CD's.

Bye-bye a loads of free space, and not alone in the house, but also in my head. wink

Now I have crates full of vinyl to say goodbye too.

My new motto is, one in, one out.

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So yeah, I can handle more Prince releases... But then I'll have to split my precious free time and space into Prince and all my other love for music - which is damn hard.

And I can not get rid of the Prince's stuff I even don't like anymore like the nineties stuff for example.

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When's my pension coming up ? lol

Can't wait to get 'old', just for that.

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Reply #44 posted 10/23/20 5:22pm

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Every three months, one for each season.
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Reply #45 posted 10/23/20 5:49pm

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I just got an email today: Bill Laswell just launched his own "NPGMC" via Bandcamp. https://billlaswell.bandc.../community

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It's 22 bucks a month. I subscribed immediately and already got 3 exclusive albums (+ 12 from the back catalogue, most of which I already had but not all) for my 22 bucks. I think it's a good deal smile

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That's how simple it'd be for the Estate to make rehearsals, live shows and other things they can't or won't release on CD available for the hardcore fans. No need for a huge team or an expensive server.

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WAKE-UP, Estate!!

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Reply #46 posted 10/23/20 11:46pm

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Bill laswwll and prince are poles apart in terms of sales and niches

One a year is cool with me

I've barely fully absorbed this sott release tbh

I'd love to have them released in less humongous form as I just want the music,not a cumbersome coffee table book

Also I'm not so cool with spending damn near 150.00 each time of that's what it's going to be from here on out
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Reply #47 posted 10/24/20 12:32am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Bill laswwll and prince are poles apart in terms of sales and niches

True, but while Prince's incentive was to find a balance between artistic choices and maximizing income in order to maintain an extravagant lifestyle (which didn't prevent him to choose the online store option every once in a while, though), the Estate's incentive is to generate as much income as possible income from assets left by a dead artists, including a gigantic vault of unreleased recordings. Sitting on 99% of the material when there is a dedicated hardcore fanbase is not, I believe, the wisest course of action. Now IDK, I'm not a Comerica assets management expert.

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Reply #48 posted 10/24/20 2:40am

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The money is in physical releases.
Not downloads.
The estate will take the time honoured route of big physical releases.
There is less money in downloads, even with a hardcore base.
Prince has a lot of fans. But the hardcore who will scoop up every song are smaller than you think.
It's not 1984 anymore.
Also the estate is still figuring out what they're doing so I dont expect any big announcements for a while.
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Reply #49 posted 10/24/20 3:52am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

The money is in physical releases. Not downloads. The estate will take the time honoured route of big physical releases. There is less money in downloads, even with a hardcore base. Prince has a lot of fans. But the hardcore who will scoop up every song are smaller than you think. It's not 1984 anymore. Also the estate is still figuring out what they're doing so I dont expect any big announcements for a while.

Well you just said in another thread that you have no clue how the industry works these days and here you are an expert. You just seem eager to contradict me today lol

Unlike you, I do not know exactly what makes money and what doesn't. I just assumed that downloads are cheaper to produce and therefore easier to sell to the core base than expensive box-sets that only the core base will buy anyway (I don't see many casual fans putting 250$ in a 7 CD box-set they can get for free on Spotify). But honestly, IDK. I was just offering suggestions but for all I know Michael Howe would laugh at me for doing so.

Therefore, I did my part -> Databank out.

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Reply #50 posted 10/26/20 4:24am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

The money is in physical releases. Not downloads. The estate will take the time honoured route of big physical releases. There is less money in downloads, even with a hardcore base. Prince has a lot of fans. But the hardcore who will scoop up every song are smaller than you think. It's not 1984 anymore. Also the estate is still figuring out what they're doing so I dont expect any big announcements for a while.

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On the contrary.

I heard Duane Tudahl in some interview stating that the next release is already in the works.

He pointed out that it takes alot of work to get everything assembled - being the vault such a mess and complex thing.

They even have several projects simultanious up and running.

So probably seeying where it all goes from there / whatever they can find as 'complete' to get going... if it's that what you mean, then you're right.

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Reply #51 posted 10/26/20 4:43am

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Four per year or more.

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Reply #52 posted 10/26/20 5:35pm

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R they intentionally releasing slot of things we have or have heard already?
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Reply #53 posted 10/28/20 9:11am

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People saying "one a month" - Are you listening to these releases or just gobbling them up like Pac-Man? It sounds like trying to get it all checked off on a list. You're never, ever getting everything - even if they intended to release it all, you'll be dead before they do. The quality would also undoubtedly drop if they started cranking out releases.

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The SOTT SDE is a LOT of music. We just got a legendary live show on DVD, another on audio and at least 3 albums worth of 'new' music. Enjoy it ffs - drink this one, dont just swill around and spit in the bucket.

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In answer to the OP question - One remaster and one or two single releases a la P&M/Originals or something for Record Store Day is spot on for me. Keep it up.

I agree. There's an understandable desire 2 get every drop, but we did just get a bunch of new music and have been steadily since his passing. I like 2 absorb these projects, learn the lyrics, drive around with them, dance 2 them 4 awhile, listen by headphone, etc. not just go NEXT PLEASE! The only thing I would change or see more of is the live shows because if Prince really recorded most performances then there should be a more speedy release of these shows than 1 show per yearly SDE project.

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Reply #54 posted 10/28/20 2:23pm

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People saying "one a month" - Are you listening to these releases or just gobbling them up like Pac-Man? It sounds like trying to get it all checked off on a list. You're never, ever getting everything - even if they intended to release it all, you'll be dead before they do. The quality would also undoubtedly drop if they started cranking out releases.

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The SOTT SDE is a LOT of music. We just got a legendary live show on DVD, another on audio and at least 3 albums worth of 'new' music. Enjoy it ffs - drink this one, dont just swill around and spit in the bucket.

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I agree.It's gonna take awhile to fully digest everything that's in the SOTT deluxe edition.I don't really need to have another set anytime soon smile I want time to fully enjoy the current set before they start planning another one.

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Reply #55 posted 10/30/20 11:12am

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NouveauDance said:

People saying "one a month" - Are you listening to these releases or just gobbling them up like Pac-Man? It sounds like trying to get it all checked off on a list. You're never, ever getting everything - even if they intended to release it all, you'll be dead before they do. The quality would also undoubtedly drop if they started cranking out releases.

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The SOTT SDE is a LOT of music. We just got a legendary live show on DVD, another on audio and at least 3 albums worth of 'new' music. Enjoy it ffs - drink this one, dont just swill around and spit in the bucket.

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In answer to the OP question - One remaster and one or two single releases a la P&M/Originals or something for Record Store Day is spot on for me. Keep it up.

To be fair our relation to music has already changed a lot with the internet. I don't listen to things as much or as long as I used to because I simply have too many. On the other had if I'd been rich I'd have bought 10 CDs a week before the internet so it was more a budgetary constraint than the desire to limit my consumption.

When all is said and done in 2001 Prince did release the equivalent of one album's length of new material every months with NPGMC and I was very happy with it. I probably wouldn't listen to everything as much as I did back then today, if only because there are so many other things than Prince that I want to hear, but yeah, I'd like to have it all and I'll admit that part of it is ticking it off a list, then again, every once in a while there'll be something I'll really trip on.

As for quality, it's already subpar with one or 2 releases a year, so IDK how much worse it can get.

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Reply #56 posted 10/30/20 11:26am

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Still deeeep diving into SOTT ...not even read the book yet! Will have it fully digested by the end of Jan 2021 ! Therefore will now say 3 deluxe box sets per year would be great!

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Reply #57 posted 11/05/20 7:33pm

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I'm revisiting all 3 deluxes....no problem
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Reply #58 posted 11/06/20 8:31am

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NouveauDance said:

The SOTT SDE is a LOT of music

.

Yet it is not enough

Tracks missing.

Wrong version of tracks.

Etc.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #59 posted 11/06/20 2:47pm

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udo said:

NouveauDance said:

The SOTT SDE is a LOT of music

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Yet it is not enough

Tracks missing.

Wrong version of tracks.

Etc.

SOTT SDE is not a lot of music even if you only look at the whole of 1987:

* Still extremely disappointed that there is not even one of the glorious aftershows of this era in the box set. Paris, Munich, Vienna... I hope we get these (+ more) eventually!

* Not even one rehearsal (besides the 10 minutes of Soul Psychodelicide)

* And dont get me started about us still not having the opportunity to listen to the whole Camille Album as originally intended.

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