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Reply #60 posted 10/09/20 7:26am

LoveGalore

lustmealways said:

guys i'm not saying this is an absolutely terrible set or that it's entirely void of merit, but i am saying that there are like, idk, 5, people on this site (including me!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin ) who i think would've done a better job and would've done it for free

that's life, as they say. that's the rub.



The org couldn't mobilize an Erector set much less assist the Estate in archival projects. The org doesn't even care that First Avenue is going to shut down. Or that Prince's demo tapes go up for auction.

Unfortunately, reality is just never going to perfectly match our dreams and some people are better equipped to handle these projects from more than just the aspect of quality control for the material.
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Reply #61 posted 10/09/20 7:51am

databank

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LoveGalore said:

lustmealways said:

guys i'm not saying this is an absolutely terrible set or that it's entirely void of merit, but i am saying that there are like, idk, 5, people on this site (including me!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin ) who i think would've done a better job and would've done it for free

that's life, as they say. that's the rub.

The org couldn't mobilize an Erector set much less assist the Estate in archival projects. The org doesn't even care that First Avenue is going to shut down. Or that Prince's demo tapes go up for auction. Unfortunately, reality is just never going to perfectly match our dreams and some people are better equipped to handle these projects from more than just the aspect of quality control for the material.

I kind of see where this is going neutral

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Reply #62 posted 10/09/20 8:01am

LoveGalore

databank said:



LoveGalore said:


lustmealways said:

guys i'm not saying this is an absolutely terrible set or that it's entirely void of merit, but i am saying that there are like, idk, 5, people on this site (including me!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin ) who i think would've done a better job and would've done it for free

that's life, as they say. that's the rub.



The org couldn't mobilize an Erector set much less assist the Estate in archival projects. The org doesn't even care that First Avenue is going to shut down. Or that Prince's demo tapes go up for auction. Unfortunately, reality is just never going to perfectly match our dreams and some people are better equipped to handle these projects from more than just the aspect of quality control for the material.

I kind of see where this is going neutral



To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.
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Reply #63 posted 10/09/20 8:15am

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LoveGalore said:

databank said:

I kind of see where this is going neutral

To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

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The real discussion will be about which one.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #64 posted 10/09/20 8:31am

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LoveGalore said:

databank said:

I kind of see where this is going neutral

To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

lol

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Reply #65 posted 10/09/20 8:32am

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udo said:

LoveGalore said:

databank said: To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

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The real discussion will be about which one.

lol

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Reply #66 posted 10/09/20 2:10pm

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udo said:

LoveGalore said:

databank said: To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

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The real discussion will be about which one.

Rest assured that it will be the wrong one.

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Reply #67 posted 10/10/20 1:09am

databank

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TheEnglishGent said:



udo said:




LoveGalore said:


databank said: To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

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The real discussion will be about which one.



Rest assured that it will be the wrong one.


lol
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Reply #68 posted 10/10/20 6:52am

LoveGalore

TheEnglishGent said:



udo said:




LoveGalore said:


databank said: To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

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The real discussion will be about which one.



Rest assured that it will be the wrong one.



You know Udo will be the first one in here talmbout "I can't fit this in my-"
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Reply #69 posted 10/10/20 8:08am

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LoveGalore said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Rest assured that it will be the wrong one.

You know Udo will be the first one in here talmbout "I can't fit this in my-"

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No comments.... cool

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Reply #70 posted 10/11/20 11:03am

databank

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LoveGalore said:

TheEnglishGent said:



udo said:




LoveGalore said:


databank said: To put it more succinctly: I believe the Vanity 6 SDE should come with a sex toy.

.


The real discussion will be about which one.



Rest assured that it will be the wrong one.



You know Udo will be the first one in here talmbout "I can't fit this in my-"

lol
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Reply #71 posted 10/12/20 8:48pm

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olb99 said:

To be fair, the drum stick at the beginning of "Adonis..." is part of a count off. They decided to remove it. It might be frustrating, but it's not a mistake, IMO.

But they left the drum stick count on "Everybody Want What They Don't Got". Why intentionally remove it from one song but not another?


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Reply #72 posted 10/12/20 8:56pm

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lurker316 said:

olb99 said:

To be fair, the drum stick at the beginning of "Adonis..." is part of a count off. They decided to remove it. It might be frustrating, but it's not a mistake, IMO.


But they left the drum stick count on "Everybody Want What They Don't Got". Why intentionally remove it from one song but not another?

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Reply #73 posted 10/12/20 9:20pm

ForceofNature

lurker316 said:



olb99 said:


To be fair, the drum stick at the beginning of "Adonis..." is part of a count off. They decided to remove it. It might be frustrating, but it's not a mistake, IMO.




But they left the drum stick count on "Everybody Want What They Don't Got". Why intentionally remove it from one song but not another?



It could simply be that the boot of Adonis we had was a rough mix and the one with the countoff removed on this release was the final one
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Reply #74 posted 10/13/20 12:52am

Marco81

ForceofNature said:

lurker316 said:

But they left the drum stick count on "Everybody Want What They Don't Got". Why intentionally remove it from one song but not another?


It could simply be that the boot of Adonis we had was a rough mix and the one with the countoff removed on this release was the final one

You know, some people find it REALLY difficult to understand that one simple thing. That bootlegs they heard might not be the final version of the track. Because what comes out of the bootleg market is always "the truth", whilst the Estate in their opinion...is fucking up the truth. Sad.

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Reply #75 posted 10/14/20 2:12pm

partyup77

Ugh. Another error. Popped the DVD in my computer to watch it and noticed the typo in the title, PrinceAtPasileyPark

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Reply #76 posted 10/14/20 2:21pm

emesem

Might explain Adonis but the Visions error is inexcusable. The song had already been released by a major lable.

Marco81 said:

ForceofNature said:

lurker316 said: It could simply be that the boot of Adonis we had was a rough mix and the one with the countoff removed on this release was the final one

You know, some people find it REALLY difficult to understand that one simple thing. That bootlegs they heard might not be the final version of the track. Because what comes out of the bootleg market is always "the truth", whilst the Estate in their opinion...is fucking up the truth. Sad.

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Reply #77 posted 10/14/20 4:46pm

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partyup77 said:

Ugh. Another error. Popped the DVD in my computer to watch it and noticed the typo in the title, PrinceAtPasileyPark


lol
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Reply #78 posted 10/16/20 10:34am

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Marco81 said:

ForceofNature said:

lurker316 said: It could simply be that the boot of Adonis we had was a rough mix and the one with the countoff removed on this release was the final one

You know, some people find it REALLY difficult to understand that one simple thing. That bootlegs they heard might not be the final version of the track. Because what comes out of the bootleg market is always "the truth", whilst the Estate in their opinion...is fucking up the truth. Sad.


You're quoting me (though my original post isn't showing up in the reply), so I assume you're referring to me? You're suggesting that I don't understand that the bootleg version I heard isn't necessarily the final version...

Why would you accuse me of that? If you'd read and understood my post, you would have seen that I was pointing out the inconsistency between the approach to one song (Adonis & Bathsheba) and another (Everybody Wants What They Don't Got) when it came to the drum stick countdown; and knowing that they screwed up and deleted the first note from Visions, I wondered if they could have made a similar mistake on A&B.

My reasoning may be poor (in fact, looking back, it probably was) and you're welcome to disagree with it. But please don't mis-state my reasoning. My statement wasn't dependent on the idea that: "it was in the bootleg, so it must be right!"

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Reply #79 posted 10/22/20 12:29am

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What bout the feedback early in the Utrecht Live show?

The feedback is an error.

Not removing the feedback is an error. (bootleggars can do it to a certain extent)

Not mentioning it in the booklet is an error.

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Reply #80 posted 10/25/20 6:17am

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Please see the work at https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

It shows several issues preventing the owner of SOTT SDE to assemble correct/coplete versions of Dream Factory, Camille or Crystal Ball.

This means that either the set has errors or at least the statement about being able to assemble your own tracklists for these albums is kinda false.

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Reply #81 posted 10/26/20 5:35am

Milty2

Just got the box set on Friday and it's all I've listened to this weekend despite hearing these bootlegs for years already. I love it. The book is overwhelming actually. On some of the pages in the book, there are watermarks of "Page 1 and Page 2". That looks like a printing error no?

And a couple of the Vault discs have light scratches and even one disc has bits of plastic that didn't get shaved off when they cut the disc. I think the individual discs should have come in custom photo sleeves. The way they include the discs looks janky. But overall, I think it's a great, great box set.

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Reply #82 posted 10/26/20 4:59pm

databank

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udo said:

Please see the work at https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

It shows several issues preventing the owner of SOTT SDE to assemble correct/coplete versions of Dream Factory, Camille or Crystal Ball.

This means that either the set has errors or at least the statement about being able to assemble your own tracklists for these albums is kinda false.

IDK if we can talk about errors in this case. It's more an editorial decision that was made, followed by a PR error. Admitting that the configs couldn't be recreated would have been OK, I don't think anyone would have been mad at them for this. What was insulting was the lie in the interview.

I can't imagine Michael Howe not realizing that his statement was false, so I suspect he just thought he'd get away with it. Which he probably did with most of the people who read the interview anyway: it's not like Rolling Stone, NME or Popmatters complained about it in a review or something.

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Reply #83 posted 10/26/20 5:06pm

ForceofNature

udo said:

What bout the feedback early in the Utrecht Live show?


The feedback is an error.


Not removing the feedback is an error. (bootleggars can do it to a certain extent)


Not mentioning it in the booklet is an error.


The tape speed is an error, feedback is baked into a sounboard mixdown. No bootlegger can magically treat a sounboard as a multitrack
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Reply #84 posted 10/26/20 8:47pm

udo

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ForceofNature said:

udo said:

What bout the feedback early in the Utrecht Live show?

The feedback is an error.

Not removing the feedback is an error. (bootleggars can do it to a certain extent)

Not mentioning it in the booklet is an error.

The tape speed is an error, feedback is baked into a sounboard mixdown. No bootlegger can magically treat a sounboard as a multitrack

.

Please check again.

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Reply #85 posted 10/26/20 8:49pm

ForceofNature

udo said:



ForceofNature said:


udo said:

What bout the feedback early in the Utrecht Live show?


The feedback is an error.


Not removing the feedback is an error. (bootleggars can do it to a certain extent)


Not mentioning it in the booklet is an error.



The tape speed is an error, feedback is baked into a sounboard mixdown. No bootlegger can magically treat a sounboard as a multitrack

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Please check again.


Just did, in the sense that I listened to the show in full. What (preferably timestamped) specific sections did you have in mind?
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Reply #86 posted 10/27/20 3:46am

TheEnglishGent

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lurker316 said:

Marco81 said:

You know, some people find it REALLY difficult to understand that one simple thing. That bootlegs they heard might not be the final version of the track. Because what comes out of the bootleg market is always "the truth", whilst the Estate in their opinion...is fucking up the truth. Sad.


You're quoting me (though my original post isn't showing up in the reply), so I assume you're referring to me? You're suggesting that I don't understand that the bootleg version I heard isn't necessarily the final version...

Why would you accuse me of that? If you'd read and understood my post, you would have seen that I was pointing out the inconsistency between the approach to one song (Adonis & Bathsheba) and another (Everybody Wants What They Don't Got) when it came to the drum stick countdown; and knowing that they screwed up and deleted the first note from Visions, I wondered if they could have made a similar mistake on A&B.

My reasoning may be poor (in fact, looking back, it probably was) and you're welcome to disagree with it. But please don't mis-state my reasoning. My statement wasn't dependent on the idea that: "it was in the bootleg, so it must be right!"

[Edited 10/16/20 10:36am]


While they quoted you, I don't think the response was necessarilly aimed at you directly. I think it was more highlighted to make their point, which is valid. While not you personally, there are some who seem to treat whatever bootlegs we have as the gospel and any deviation from that is an error somehow.

Bootlegs may be unfinished and never intended for release in that version. Errors such as tape warble could be just deterioration of the vault material. A bootleg copy of Wally could have been made 30 years ago and that time stamp doesn't reflect the condition of the master today when they are getting the track ready for release. Drum stick count ins might not be meant to be there, or sometimes they might. The recording on the bootleg shouldn't be the measure of this.

We have no way to know what does or doesn't exist in the vault today, or what condition that material is in. Having said all that though, a little more transparency from the estate would be nice. While we can't epxect them to know of every single boot which exists, they could speak to obvious problems and then everyone would at least know their position. Whether or not they agree with it or like it though, that's another matter.

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