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Reply #150 posted 09/30/20 11:45am

alexzander

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alexzander said:

Everybody Wants What They Dont Got is the strongest song on this set. SO good cool

Agreed. For this song, my bootleg version sounds better than the official release! eek

Should I delete it?

eek Id never heard this song until this set. What boot is this on?

This is what you want...This is what you get.
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Reply #151 posted 09/30/20 1:15pm

funkaholic1972

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I am just gonna mention my personal highlights of this disc:

I enjoy this version of Train, but am more accustomed to the Mavis Staples Version which (IMHO) features better production and less intrusive train sounds. I hope one day we'll see that version released with Prince vocals.

It Ain't Over Til The Fat Lady Sings is very enjoyable too to me, Madhouse style music. I love this type of 'jazzy' jams and I always enjoy hearing Eric Leeds playing his sax.

I love the funkiness of Blanche, this is a great track. Not too sure about the production of it, but it is such a jam I don't mind it so much.


Soul Psychodelicide is another gem, I am a sucker for cold electronic drum machine funk and this one fits the bill! Reminds me of Prince's version of Databank, which I also regard highly.


Adonis And Bathsheba
is mentionworthy because it sounds like it could have been used for the Parade album. It is also one of the more polished songs on this set of vault tracks as far as production goes.

I was surprised by Crucial on this disc because I didn't care for the 1998 CB version, always skipped it. This version appeals much more to me, so I am glad it was selected for this disc. To be honest I haven't gone back and compared it to the 1998 version, they might be very close for all I know, I just might be more open to this song now.

The Cocoa Boys is another one I enjoy, cool funk groove and I am glad it was added to this SOTT SDE.

When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes reminds me of songs like Baby I'm A Star and Trust. Fluffy feel good uptempo tracks with little substance but good fun nevertheless.


It Be's Like That Sometimes
is also pretty cool, reminds me of Elephants & Flowers a bit.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #152 posted 09/30/20 1:20pm

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Now we have five versions of Crucial. This alternate lyrics take is interesting, but the sax version or

(7:23) Guitar Version would have been better. biggrin

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Reply #153 posted 09/30/20 1:27pm

Wolfie87

It Be's Like That Sometimes

Perfect Pop Song. And my favorite on the entire set with Love And Sex. ON INITIAL LISTENING!

I like Prince more when he can connect with an wider audience. He still has his own, completely unique sound. But if more people can relate or appreciate the musical impact, that's a big plus.

Blanche and Soul Psycadelicide are funk jams and by default always ok in my book. Still, not album track material, only jams.

I will return to Cocoa Boys and others you guys are giving high praise, and they probably will grow on me, maybe even become favourites from the set. But for now I will call IBLTS and Love and Sex masterpieces.
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Reply #154 posted 09/30/20 9:36pm

AvocadosMax

scififilmnerd said:

Now we have five versions of Crucial. This alternate lyrics take is interesting, but the sax version or


(7:23) Guitar Version would have been better. biggrin



Is it me or is something odd about the mix?... Like i can barely hear what he’s actually saying...and what i do hear, I’d rather just listen to the superior lyrics...

Ultimately i think his vocals should be slightly louder in the mix....
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Reply #155 posted 10/01/20 12:38am

Pjwest

scififilmnerd said:

Now we have five versions of Crucial. This alternate lyrics take is interesting, but the sax version or


(7:23) Guitar Version would have been better. biggrin




I'm sure I have these to compare - which boots are they on though (the best sounding versions)?
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Reply #156 posted 10/02/20 6:28pm

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1. Train - A nice song
2. It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings - It's ok but nothing special
3. Eggplant (Prince vocal) - I'm glad to finally be able to hear this but prefer the Wendy version
4. Everybody Want What They Don't Got - I like this song but it's too short
5. Blanche - A decent track
6. Soul Psychodelicide - It's really great
7. The Ball - Amazing song and glad it's finally released
8. Adonis And Bathsheba - Very beautiful song
8. Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through) - Better than the album version imo
9. Crucial (alternate lyrics) - My favorite version of Crucial now
10. The Cocoa Boys - Love it except for the crowd noise
11. When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes - Nice song I haven't heard before
12. Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2) - A favorite and best version of the song
13. It Be's Like That Sometimes - New to me and I really like it
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Reply #157 posted 10/04/20 7:29pm

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AvocadosMax said:

scififilmnerd said:

Now we have five versions of Crucial. This alternate lyrics take is interesting, but the sax version or


(7:23) Guitar Version would have been better. biggrin



Is it me or is something odd about the mix?... Like i can barely hear what he’s actually saying...and what i do hear, I’d rather just listen to the superior lyrics...

Ultimately i think his vocals should be slightly louder in the mix....
[Edited 9/30/20 21:39pm]

I kind of like that it’s hard to hear the lyrics for the first few lines. The corresponding lines bug me on the CB 98 version. They’re just slightly better here. But the best version is not concentrating on the lyrics at the start and just kind of getting a general romantic feel, and that’s easier to do on this version. biggrin biggrin biggrin
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Btw, this disc is slammin.
[Edited 10/4/20 19:30pm]
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Reply #158 posted 10/05/20 1:36am

barryb46

Is there a list somewhere of the bootleg tracks that we can now delete from our collections?
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Reply #159 posted 10/05/20 2:45am

TakEpri

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barryb46 said:

Is there a list somewhere of the bootleg tracks that we can now delete from our collections?

Here's my list of what I deleted so far. Of course It is not common consensus, and some may keep these bootlegs, knowing slight differences from released version.

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Teacher, Teacher

All My Dreams

Can I Play With U? Miles Davis Final Mix

Witness 4 The Prosecution #2 (version 1)

Interlude - Wendy (Colors)

In A Large Room With No Light

Train

Everybody Want What They Don't Got

The Ball

Adonis And Bathsheba

Witness 4 The Prosecution #3 (version 2)

Emotional Pump

Cosmic Day

Wally

Jealous Girl

Big Tall Wall

A Place In Heaven #2 (Lisa vocal)

Wonderful Day

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And we can aslo delete "Welcome 2 The Rat Race", "Red Riding Hood", "Break My Heart", "Souly-A-Colia" and so on...

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Reply #160 posted 10/05/20 8:59am

MIRvmn

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I wonder why they didn't include Wendy's version of Eggplant. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing set and the best Prince release in many years imo but it annoys me that they left off songs like Jealous Girl (version 1) and Crucial (sax version). It makes it feel incomplete but perhaps someday the estate will release the missing tracks on a vault box set.
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Reply #161 posted 10/05/20 9:13am

LoveGalore

MIRvmn said:

I wonder why they didn't include Wendy's version of Eggplant. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing set and the best Prince release in many years imo but it annoys me that they left off songs like Jealous Girl (version 1) and Crucial (sax version). It makes it feel incomplete but perhaps someday the estate will release the missing tracks on a vault box set.

JG 1 does not belong here. He didn't record it during this period and it wasn't intended for SOTT.

I could do without two versions of Eggplant or any other song for that matter just to include someone else's vocals tbh. They could've left off Lisa's APIH and I would not mind one bit. It's already a pity to me that, by necessity and for completion, that we have two spots on the set taken by clips of W&L soloing.
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Reply #162 posted 10/05/20 9:39am

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1. Train - OK, not my favourite Dream Factory outtake. Probably prefer Mavis' version.
2. It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings - Interesting but not amazing.
3. Eggplant (Prince vocal) - Love the second half of this song, so funky! I prefer the Wendy version
4. Everybody Want What They Don't Got - Enjoy this one more than when it leaked a few years ago
5. Blanche - Funky as hell... that guitar!
6. Soul Psychodelicide - Fun track that shows The Revolution could funk as hard as the next band
7. The Ball - Probably the one song i keep going back to more than any other, ive had this for years but seem to enjoy it more now, love the backwards guitar and whole vibe.
8. Adonis And Bathsheba - Love this, especially the guitar solo towards the end. Erotic but not dirty.
8. Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through) - OK but prefer the more subdued album version
9. Crucial (alternate lyrics) - Never liked this song for some reason
10. The Cocoa Boys - Prefer this version to the leaked demo, is that Wendy or Susannah on B/G?
11. When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes - Love this, need to listen to it more
12. Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2) - Love this more now, like both versions equally.
13. It Be's Like That Sometimes - Amazing surprise, love it!!!

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Reply #163 posted 10/05/20 11:28am

Paulob

Does anybody know the lyrics to 'It Be's Like That Sometimes' please?

I've searched here and generally online and there's nothing out there yet. I struggle sometimes to hear his lyrics as I'm a bit deaf.

Thank you.

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Reply #164 posted 10/06/20 12:36am

slyjackson

When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes WHAT A great song

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Reply #165 posted 10/06/20 10:55pm

Toofunkyinhere

Jesus, Soul Psychedelicide is a monster of a jam!. Much better than 2 Nigs...
We're here, might as well get into it.
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Reply #166 posted 10/09/20 3:22pm

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Surprised Eggplant isn't getting more love. The song is so Prince and got a great hook. Could've been a hit imo.
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Reply #167 posted 10/11/20 4:19am

MIRvmn

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MattyJam said:

Surprised Eggplant isn't getting more love. The song is so Prince and got a great hook. Could've been a hit imo.

I agree, it's definitely one of the best songs on this set.
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Reply #168 posted 10/23/20 11:09am

Wolfie87

Seriously. I've heard The Cocoa Boys demo before, and never got THAT excited upon first listen (I guess the Prince scatting and harmonizing saxophones is the highlight for you guys). But now I've listened to the released version a few more times, and it's kicking my ass!

I love the line and horns when he says "We do the wooden leg!"

This LP 7/8 sequencing is legendary. Easily my favorite part on the set. So much ridiculously good material.
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Reply #169 posted 10/23/20 2:16pm

slyjackson

MIRvmn said:

MattyJam said:
Surprised Eggplant isn't getting more love. The song is so Prince and got a great hook. Could've been a hit imo.
I agree, it's definitely one of the best songs on this set.

eek I hears nothing interesting about it.

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Reply #170 posted 10/23/20 2:17pm

slyjackson

rlittler81 said:

1. Train - OK, not my favourite Dream Factory outtake. Probably prefer Mavis' version.
2. It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings - Interesting but not amazing.
3. Eggplant (Prince vocal) - Love the second half of this song, so funky! I prefer the Wendy version
4. Everybody Want What They Don't Got - Enjoy this one more than when it leaked a few years ago
5. Blanche - Funky as hell... that guitar!
6. Soul Psychodelicide - Fun track that shows The Revolution could funk as hard as the next band
7. The Ball - Probably the one song i keep going back to more than any other, ive had this for years but seem to enjoy it more now, love the backwards guitar and whole vibe.
8. Adonis And Bathsheba - Love this, especially the guitar solo towards the end. Erotic but not dirty.
8. Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through) - OK but prefer the more subdued album version
9. Crucial (alternate lyrics) - Never liked this song for some reason
10. The Cocoa Boys - Prefer this version to the leaked demo, is that Wendy or Susannah on B/G?
11. When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes - Love this, need to listen to it more
12. Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2) - Love this more now, like both versions equally.
13. It Be's Like That Sometimes - Amazing surprise, love it!!!

It has grown on me, it's really a cool song.

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Reply #171 posted 10/23/20 8:12pm

LoveGalore

For some reason, When The Dawn sounds like it's from 81 or something. And then there's the "Everybody let's work" line too. But that beat sounds straight out of Controversy or V6 sessions.

Maybe at some points it even sounds like 1985. But it never sounds like 1986 to me, he had stopped using that hi hat on the 2 and 4 thing by then, I thought. I wonder if there's an earlier version and this is a remake. Wouldn't surprise me as he had been doing a ton of rerecording that time of the year.
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Reply #172 posted 10/27/20 6:20am

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i was listening to The Cocoa Boys last night and i noticed at the end the background vocals sing "we are beautiful, it's gunna be a beautiful night". i hadn't noticed this before and it felt like a real relevatory moment to me. it also makes me sad that it doesn't have Prince's vocals doing the horn parts - that made the song for me!

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Reply #173 posted 10/27/20 9:32am

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MusicFan20Ten said:

it also makes me sad that it doesn't have Prince's vocals doing the horn parts - that made the song for me!

[Edited 10/27/20 6:22am]

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Maybe those multitrack tapes in the vault contain many other examples of this (i.e. Prince's vocals as placeholders for actual horns)? Which we'll never hear as they're obviously not meant to be included in the final mix.

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Reply #174 posted 11/01/20 2:54am

JorisE73

MusicFan20Ten said:

it also makes me sad that it doesn't have Prince's vocals doing the horn parts - that made the song for me!

[Edited 10/27/20 6:22am]


They;'re still there under the horns.

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