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SOTT Vault, Part 2 (LP 7 & LP 8) discussion

All tracks previously unreleased

1. Train
2. It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings
3. Eggplant (Prince vocal)
4. Everybody Want What They Don't Got
5. Blanche
6. Soul Psychodelicide
7. The Ball
8. Adonis And Bathsheba
8. Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through)
9. Crucial (alternate lyrics)
10. The Cocoa Boys
11. When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes
12. Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2)
13. It Be's Like That Sometimes


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Reply #1 posted 09/23/20 10:27pm

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wow

The Cocoa Boys is way more finished than the bootleg... saddly full horns.... but Nice

Some elements that ended up in "It's gonna be a beautiful night" and "Positivity"

Crucial ...alt lyrics indeed... wow wow! unexpected

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Reply #2 posted 09/23/20 11:22pm

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Oh, my god!
I love "Blanche"!!
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Reply #3 posted 09/24/20 12:04am

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First impressions!

Train

This is the song that made me fallin love with Prince, so I'm very pleased it's had an official release.

It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings
Another of what could be a Madhouse-outtake. I like it.

Eggplant (Prince vocal)
It's okay.

Everybody Want What They Don't Got
Never been a huge fan of tis song.

Blanche
I though the hard-panned drums would get annoying, but the guitar in the opposing channel has so much rhythm, they balance out pretty well. This is a great song, one that I'm sure I'll continue revisiting.

"Like some kind of fag". I'm sure that line will give something for people to bitch about.

Soul Psychodelicide
I don't think I've ever bothered to listen to the full bootleg version (apparently running at almost an hour), so I wonder about this edited version.

I was really into it for the first 5 minutes, but then it became too repedative for my liking.

The Ball
Glad to have this in this quality.

Adonis And Bathsheba
Glad to have this in this quality.

Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through)
This is the single I've been listening to the most in anticipation for the set.

I really love this version. How he could take such a beautiful song and turn it into something so dark and brooding is a testement to his genius. This wouldn't have works on the album, but as a standalone track, it's really brilliant.

Crucial (alternate lyrics)
So... This has the original lyrics, but later-added strings? Okay, Michael "no creative liberties" Howe.

And what is with those strings? They're in mono?

As far as the alternate lyrics are concerned, I much prefer the one that came later. I'll stick with my basic tracking version, pray for a better copy of the sax version and seldom listen to this Frankenstein mix.


The Cocoa Boys
I'm very pleased that the bootleg Basic Tracking version is in such good quality, because I think that'll remain my go-to version.

The little extra parts in this are nice, but the Dirty Diana crowed noise doesn't do it any favours in the slightest. I also kinda prefer Prince's impersonation of the horns, rather than the real thing - which does seem to be somewhat present in this mix as well (which I find odd...).

When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes
It's nice to finlly hear this one, but imagining it in a musical brings me visions of people running around frantically on stage to its rapid, churchy rhythm.

Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2)
Another bootleg classic that's great to have in this quality.

It Be's Like That Sometimes
I like the lyrics, I think this is a definate grower.

The track appears to suffer from a few sound issues at 2:10, which can be easily fixed...

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Reply #4 posted 09/24/20 12:27am

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Crowd noise on cocoa boys is too distracting to me
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Reply #5 posted 09/24/20 2:11am

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BlueShakooo said:

Oh, my god! I love "Blanche"!!

Me too, this is phonkay!

This is not music, this is a trip
No, it's not a drug, it's something more hip
Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
Purple music does the same to my brain
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Reply #6 posted 09/24/20 3:17am

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lol Blanche
Never thought Prince would ever do a song about 'A Streetcar named Desire'.
And Soul Psychodelicide is pure murder! I love the original 50 minute or whatever it was jam but this is killer to.

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Reply #7 posted 09/24/20 4:38am

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yeahronimo said:

BlueShakooo said:

Oh, my god! I love "Blanche"!!

Me too, this is phonkay!

It's really cool but why is it mixed like Prince is playing in a garage? Is it me or does it have a very unusual sound for a Prince song?

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Reply #8 posted 09/24/20 4:42am

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JorisE73 said:


And Soul Psychodelicide is pure murder! I love the original 50 minute or whatever it was jam but this is killer to.

I'm pretty sure I hear things that are not in the rehearsal, which thankfully suggests it's a real track Prince made out of it and not some savage posthumous edit of it. Opinions?

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Reply #9 posted 09/24/20 4:53am

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databank said:

JorisE73 said:


And Soul Psychodelicide is pure murder! I love the original 50 minute or whatever it was jam but this is killer to.

I'm pretty sure I hear things that are not in the rehearsal, which thankfully suggests it's a real track Prince made out of it and not some savage posthumous edit of it. Opinions?

OK this is confirmed by Princevault, most likely thru Duane: Prince mixed some twelve-and-a-half minutes down to the song that was released on one of the discs with previously unreleased tracks included with the Sign O’ The Times Super Deluxe set in September 2020.

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Reply #10 posted 09/24/20 4:58am

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databank said:

yeahronimo said:

Me too, this is phonkay!

It's really cool but why is it mixed like Prince is playing in a garage? Is it me or does it have a very unusual sound for a Prince song?

I'm pretty sure he created this one adding instruments and lyrics to the drumming from the Flesh sessions (or one of those related tracks that came out in bootleg for a few years ago)...it sounds familiar but I can't tell which one...

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Reply #11 posted 09/24/20 4:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

wow

The Cocoa Boys is way more finished than the bootleg... saddly full horns.... but Nice


You can still hear his horns scats under the horns. I just find the crowd noise annoying just like on U got to shake something.

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Reply #12 posted 09/24/20 5:01am

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Eggplant took me by surprise. I actually prefer the Wendy version. That said, I didn't dig Eggplant when I first heard it but it grew on me, maybe this version will be a grower as well.
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Reply #13 posted 09/24/20 5:11am

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My Thoughts:


Train

Always liked....not crazy about but it's a cool mid-tempo track!


It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings
Definitely Madhouse-ish


Eggplant (Prince vocal)
I LOVE THIS! So much better than the Wendy version...funky as hell especially at the end.

Everybody Want What They Don't Got
simple, hard to sit still while listening.....almost feels like a TV show song..lol

Blanche
Prince jamming away in the studio. Cool guitar jam.


Soul Psychodelicide
PURE FUNK..jesus....

The Ball
very interesting to hear the how EYE NO originated...

Adonis And Bathsheba
Love this...goes along with Adore, Power Fantastic, Crucial for me (same type of sound). Love the horns!

Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through)
Love everything about this song. Original is one of my fave Prince trax so I love hearing an alternate version.

Crucial (alternate lyrics)
we've all heard before....interesting to hear some different lyrics and delivery slightly different. I think I prefer this version to original.


The Cocoa Boys
I LOVE THIS! Damn this is a banger! One of my faves!!!!!!!! horns new compared to boot. Just to blast the sh*t outta this!


When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes
whoah...almost sound vanity-ish beat. never heard this one before. Interesting..will have to listen to a few more times to digest.

Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2)
bootleg classic that's great to have in this quality.

It Be's Like That Sometimes

hmm, sounds familiar but can't place it. Average to me. mid-tempo, doesnt really go anywhere.

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Reply #14 posted 09/24/20 5:19am

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I find the strings on Crucial suspiciously low.

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Reply #15 posted 09/24/20 5:21am

JorisE73

jaynoonan said:

It Be's Like That Sometimes

hmm, sounds familiar but can't place it. Average to me. mid-tempo, doesnt really go anywhere.


I hear The Ball/Eye No and Gangster Glam in it.

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Reply #16 posted 09/24/20 5:22am

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I find the strings on Crucial suspiciously low.

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I wonder if this is the version that was replaced by Adore.

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Reply #17 posted 09/24/20 5:57am

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Love the idea there could be a remastered, improved Adonis & Bathsheba. Truly great song, can't believe Susan Rogers didn't dig it. (she'd said in interview she thought it was the first time he'd lost knack of putting out brilliance)

Also, after hearing that along with Warden In The Prison Of Love and God Is Alive, I became convinced that Prince could do really soulful guitar solos in the 80s as well - having previously thought him only capable of it well into his 30's, the 1990's.

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Reply #18 posted 09/24/20 5:58am

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Cocoa Boys... He removed the Sandra Dee stuff
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Reply #19 posted 09/24/20 6:05am

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JorisE73 said:

databank said:

I find the strings on Crucial suspiciously low.

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I wonder if this is the version that was replaced by Adore.

Exactly what I thought upon first listen.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Cocoa Boys... He removed the Sandra Dee stuff

What was that line sayin'?

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Reply #21 posted 09/24/20 6:30am

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And the amazing guitar solo at the end of Crucial. Can anyone confirm all P input came in 1986?

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fortuneandserendipity said:

And the amazing guitar solo at the end of Crucial. Can anyone confirm all P input came in 1986?

'far as we know it did.

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Reply #23 posted 09/24/20 6:48am

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It's nice to have the basic tracks version of Cocoa Boys but this version blows it out of the water. I like every choice he made here with this one, even the crowd noise.
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Reply #24 posted 09/24/20 6:49am

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It Be's Like That Sometimes definitely has I Know/The Ball in the vocal delivery and melody.
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Reply #25 posted 09/24/20 7:25am

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databank said:

JorisE73 said:


And Soul Psychodelicide is pure murder! I love the original 50 minute or whatever it was jam but this is killer to.

I'm pretty sure I hear things that are not in the rehearsal, which thankfully suggests it's a real track Prince made out of it and not some savage posthumous edit of it. Opinions?

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I didn't note down the timings, unfortunately, but I had the same feeling while listening to that track (i.e. hearing at least some effects, if not overdubs, that were not present in the complete rehearsal recording).

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Reply #26 posted 09/24/20 7:36am

BlueShakooo

The beat on "It Be's Like That Sometimes" reminded me immediately of "Violet Blue".
Like!
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I'm linking my 'boots' next to each song to hear the difference



1. Train

Always loved this one. This one I love because his vocals remind me of early Prince, yet Parade era Prince. I always hear this one as a back story of Christopher and Tricky lol love it

2. It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings

--- it definately has the 'musical' quality to it

3. Eggplant (Prince vocal)

This could have been a Kiss B side. I actually prefer Wendy on opening-lead vocals. It works better in the call/response connection, have a woman sing those lyrics. But I prefer the other one.


4. Everybody Want What They Don't Got

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5. Blanche

Don't know what else to say, but that I love Blanche

6. Soul Psychodelicide

Don't know what else to say, but that I love Soul Psychodelicide. I love the punch on this one

7. The Ball

Don't know what else to say, but that I love The Ball

8. Adonis And Bathsheba

I've always loved the quirkiness of this piece


8. Forever In My Life (early vocal studio run-through)

I respect the stripped vibe of the released version. Like NC2U.
I also really enjoy this busier version of Forever In My Life. I glad this exists.
The album ending(like Mountains) always felt like there was an extended version.


9. Crucial (alternate lyrics)

This version feels like 1989 era song like Scandelous. I love the electric guitar riffs and solo.
For some reason I like the muted strings on this. I'm thinking it might have had a more cluttered sound if they were louder.


10. The Cocoa Boys

I've always liked this piece. Something about it reminds me of the 1982-1984 period.
I don't think I needed horns on this one. It's interesting how this one Crucial, WTDOTMC seem to foreshadow the vibe heard on the Batman sessions

A Musical Battle of the Bands

All the boys and all the girls, you are the new kings of the world

We R the Beautiful, It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night


11. When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes

I immediately heard TRUST. He should have gotten Juan Escovedo and Sheila E to spice up those percussions i'm hearing.
I never fancied hearing a more 'churchy' vibe for this one for some reason. It's fun.
I hear some Holly Rock near the second half too.


Let's Work
Everybody Let's Work

12. Witness 4 The Prosecution (version 2)

Great to have a sharper sounding version. This is one of those that when I first heard it, I was transported back to 1986.

13. It Be's Like That Sometimes

Cool piece. I hear lighter versions of the Ball above my head


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Reply #28 posted 09/24/20 7:46am

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databank said:

I'm pretty sure I hear things that are not in the rehearsal, which thankfully suggests it's a real track Prince made out of it and not some savage posthumous edit of it. Opinions?

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I didn't note down the timings, unfortunately, but I had the same feeling while listening to that track (i.e. hearing at least some effects, if not overdubs, that were not present in the complete rehearsal recording).

You musta missed my comment below that first one: Duane/Pvault confirmed that it's a genuine Prince-made edit/mix smile

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Reply #29 posted 09/24/20 7:59am

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My only real complaint is why didn’t they include the good version of Crucial??

These lyrics suck ass compared to the later version

Some things just don’t need to be included. If you’re gonna include CRUCIAL, include CRUCIAL and not discount-Crucial....
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