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Prince archivist Michael Howe talks through SOTT bonus cuts

"Lisa, i'm gonna give u the brush, and u're gonna paint the side of the train..."
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Reply #1 posted 06/26/20 9:15am

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tecstar said:

https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/interview/prince-archivist-michael-howe-talks-sde-through-sign-o-the-times-bonus-cuts/

We have the final words for Wally & Dorothy Parker 12 mix

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Reply #2 posted 06/26/20 9:45am

LoveGalore

This should quell a lot of people's dramas over what is or isn't on here. I am fucking HYPED!!! A third version of Strange Relationship? Um yes please.

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Reply #3 posted 06/26/20 10:13am

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nice read, wish he would have gone through some of the ones we really havent heard like Walkin in glory,but im being picky ofcourse

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Reply #4 posted 06/26/20 10:15am

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Just finished reading it. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!! excited excited excited

"I like to watch."
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Reply #5 posted 06/26/20 10:15am

LoveGalore

antonb said:

nice read, wish he would have gone through some of the ones we really havent heard like Walkin in glory,but im being picky ofcourse

Like When the Dawn, Jealous Girl, and the SR mix that's based on a non-Camille version? Come on. razz

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Reply #6 posted 06/26/20 10:18am

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It was interesting hearing how he tried to get the SOTT movie included, but the rights are all messed up. Kind of like how Marvel sold the "Spider-Man" movie rights in the early 90s, and over the years they went through a zillion different hands.

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But I'm happy with my Japanese SOTT Blu-Ray. It's gorgeous.

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Reply #7 posted 06/26/20 10:21am

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Oh, and Howe confirmed he's hard at work on the next SDE. Any guesses as to which one?...

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I'm going to say "Parade". For two reasons:

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1) Apparently WB loses the rights to the non-movie-soundtrack albums in 2021. So they'll still have this one.

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2) 2021 is the 35th anniversary of the album. And that's a nice divisible-by-5 milestone to celebrate.

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Me personally, I'd prefer "Around The World In A Day" or "Batman", but I'm sure a "Parade" SDE will be jam-packed with great vault material.

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Reply #8 posted 06/26/20 10:26am

parker

GiggityGoo said:

Oh, and Howe confirmed he's hard at work on the next SDE. Any guesses as to which one?...


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I'm going to say "Parade". For two reasons:


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1) Apparently WB loses the rights to the non-movie-soundtrack albums in 2021. So they'll still have this one.


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2) 2021 is the 35th anniversary of the album. And that's a nice divisible-by-5 milestone to celebrate.


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Me personally, I'd prefer "Around The World In A Day" or "Batman", but I'm sure a "Parade" SDE will be jam-packed with great vault material.



Interesting. I’d guess they try and get a Parade, and Purple Rain SDE in before the expiration. Maybe even a GB deluxe?
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Reply #9 posted 06/26/20 11:26am

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Oh, and another interesting tidbit: Howe makes it sound like Prince never really had a concrete plan for "The Dawn". That surprised me, because it seemed like Prince was really zeroing in on that title and concept as something big. But apparently it was another one of his spoken-aloud ideas that he never took the time to solidify.

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Reply #10 posted 06/26/20 11:37am

LoveGalore

GiggityGoo said:

Oh, and another interesting tidbit: Howe makes it sound like Prince never really had a concrete plan for "The Dawn". That surprised me, because it seemed like Prince was really zeroing in on that title and concept as something big. But apparently it was another one of his spoken-aloud ideas that he never took the time to solidify.

Yeah that was interesting. There's gotta be something, else I am not sure why anyone would associate certain songs to certain so-called Dawn projects. But I guess not at all as firm as something like DF or Camille.

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Reply #11 posted 06/26/20 11:47am

antonb

Reading him talking about When the dawn of the morning comes, It sounds like The Line? fast paced gospel like song? I wonder if that is what it is?

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Reply #12 posted 06/26/20 12:15pm

TheFman

I can't believe they left out Crystal Ball full version?? I mean, the 'other one'. That's no 7" right?

[Edited 6/26/20 12:16pm]

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Reply #13 posted 06/26/20 12:17pm

parker

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I can't believe they left out Crystal Ball full version?? I mean, the 'other one'. That's no 7" right?

[Edited 6/26/20 12:16pm]



Did you not read the article? It’s already been released in 1998.
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Reply #14 posted 06/26/20 12:24pm

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Based on the fact that they only have one more year to release another SDE (apart from the soundtracks, which Warners will retain control of) I'd say the next one WON'T be Parade or Purple Rain.

Surely it would make sense to release one next year (before the contract expiration date arrives) while they still can... such as Around The World In A Day or The Gold Experience (though I think that one's unlikely)....

then after the 2021 contract expires, they can still release Parade in 2022 and Purple Rain after that.... Batman after that, etc, assuming they want to.

That would make more sense to me. Plus I seem to remember reading a while back that the Parade SDE was ready to go, so it seems like this is the reason they're holding off releasing it....

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Reply #15 posted 06/26/20 12:37pm

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Rimshottbob said:

Based on the fact that they only have one more year to release another SDE (apart from the soundtracks, which Warners will retain control of) I'd say the next one WON'T be Parade or Purple Rain.

Surely it would make sense to release one next year (before the contract expiration date arrives) while they still can... such as Around The World In A Day or The Gold Experience (though I think that one's unlikely)....

then after the 2021 contract expires, they can still release Parade in 2022 and Purple Rain after that.... Batman after that, etc, assuming they want to.

That would make more sense to me. Plus I seem to remember reading a while back that the Parade SDE was ready to go, so it seems like this is the reason they're holding off releasing it....



Seems logical.

Diamonds & Pearls would seem the most obvious to me, based on the initial sales/fan base for it.

Personally I'll like ATWIAD or Lovesexy.

If the contract details are correct, and Howe seems to believe one a year is the likely plan, then WB are not interested in SDEs for all the remaining albums of which they lose control.

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Reply #16 posted 06/26/20 1:13pm

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let's all compare this to what he said last year about Wally.

"(Hesitates, grunts, sighs painfully) That is a difficult one for me to answer. Look, I'll tell you this: there is probably more than what you think related to that track. Whatever may or may not happen with that, I do not know, let alone speculate about it. You will have to draw your conclusion from my cryptic answer, I fear (laughs). I am not deliberately trying to be so reserved. If it was up to me, you would get the most honest answer to your question. It is very tricky to be frank about this."

everyone please take note of the hesitation, grunts, and painful sighs.

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Reply #17 posted 06/26/20 1:31pm

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parker said:

TheFman said:

I can't believe they left out Crystal Ball full version?? I mean, the 'other one'. That's no 7" right?

[Edited 6/26/20 12:16pm]



Did you not read the article? It’s already been released in 1998.
[Edited 6/26/20 12:18pm]


The 'other one' wasn't.
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Reply #18 posted 06/26/20 2:31pm

BlueShakooo

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let's all compare this to what he said last year about Wally.

"(Hesitates, grunts, sighs painfully) That is a difficult one for me to answer. Look, I'll tell you this: there is probably more than what you think related to that track. Whatever may or may not happen with that, I do not know, let alone speculate about it. You will have to draw your conclusion from my cryptic answer, I fear (laughs). I am not deliberately trying to be so reserved. If it was up to me, you would get the most honest answer to your question. It is very tricky to be frank about this."

everyone please take note of the hesitation, grunts, and painful sighs.


Very strange indeed.
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Reply #19 posted 06/26/20 2:48pm

RODSERLING

With the subsequent releases of I Feel For You acoustic and ICNTTPOYM 79 version, that probably means that it killed any chance to see a Prince 79 deluxe reissue.
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"Prince" Was still his third best catalogue seller in the US ( just behind PR and 1999 and better than SOTT and Parade) and IWBYL is one of his top ten tracks on both Spotify and YouTube.

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D&P is a poor catalogue seller, so I don't think there is a chance.
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Reply #20 posted 06/26/20 2:59pm

LoveGalore

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let's all compare this to what he said last year about Wally.

"(Hesitates, grunts, sighs painfully) That is a difficult one for me to answer. Look, I'll tell you this: there is probably more than what you think related to that track. Whatever may or may not happen with that, I do not know, let alone speculate about it. You will have to draw your conclusion from my cryptic answer, I fear (laughs). I am not deliberately trying to be so reserved. If it was up to me, you would get the most honest answer to your question. It is very tricky to be frank about this."

everyone please take note of the hesitation, grunts, and painful sighs.



Mmhm. I said it back then and I'll say it again. I fully believe the original Wally was found and there is something or someone preventing it's release. Not much for conspiracies, but there is way too much huff and puff to be just "oh we couldn't find it."
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Reply #21 posted 06/26/20 3:42pm

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parker said:



Did you not read the article? It’s already been released in 1998.
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The 'other one' wasn't.


Yes the one without the orchestral additions. I’m sure we will found out in time
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Reply #22 posted 06/26/20 5:07pm

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Very excited about "When the Dawn of the Morning Comes" now!

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Reply #23 posted 06/26/20 5:13pm

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Rimshottbob said:

Based on the fact that they only have one more year to release another SDE (apart from the soundtracks, which Warners will retain control of) I'd say the next one WON'T be Parade or Purple Rain.

Surely it would make sense to release one next year (before the contract expiration date arrives) while they still can... such as Around The World In A Day or The Gold Experience (though I think that one's unlikely)....

then after the 2021 contract expires, they can still release Parade in 2022 and Purple Rain after that.... Batman after that, etc, assuming they want to.

That would make more sense to me. Plus I seem to remember reading a while back that the Parade SDE was ready to go, so it seems like this is the reason they're holding off releasing it....


I believe the rights transfer to Sony (for North America) from January 1, 2021, not January 1, 2022. As such, it would mean that global superdeluxe editions are only possible through the end of this year unless Warner and Sony work out some agreement.

Of course, Warner could issue standalone vault sets comprising material from 1978-1994 - they would just have to be disassociated from any album.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
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Reply #24 posted 06/26/20 9:17pm

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I am really hoping that the version of Cosmic day that we get on the box is the Claire Fisher strings version that we are unfamiliar with smile

It is interesting that there is no talk of the razormaid /prime cuts mixes of the period. The razormaid version of housequake would have been a welcome addition

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Reply #25 posted 06/27/20 12:11am

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i think we’ll get SDE’s of all 80’s output before any 90’s+ albums. warner and sony know what most people consider his “best” decades to be. they’ll probably do parade before anything else. that or dirty mind. i think ATWIAD is cushioned too close between PR and parade to warrant a full collection the size we’ve seen w 1999 & SOTT
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Reply #26 posted 06/27/20 2:46am

leecaldon

This interview has done its job - I am suitably excited.

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Reply #27 posted 06/27/20 3:43am

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My guess is they're working on a Lovesexy SDE. There's a ton of material from that period too, and hopefully they have been able to acquire the rights to the Lovesexy Live video, so that could see a light of day again. (I suspect that the lack of any rerelease of that video means the Estate already acquired the rights for it.)
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On the other hand: what troubles me the most is the total lack of any vault releases from Prince later years. If they truly want to honour him, they should release something more recent, something surprisingly different, something daring – even if it means more risk financially.
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As much as we are thrilled to finally hear our old bootlegs in good quality, these releases won't make new fans, I'm afraid. Truly surprising, experimental and more recent material COULD.
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #28 posted 06/27/20 7:26am

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Kares said:

On the other hand: what troubles me the most is the total lack of any vault releases from Prince later years. If they truly want to honour him, they should release something more recent, something surprisingly different, something daring – even if it means more risk financially.


I seem to remember that we already talked about this. What worries me is that some of those recordings might be lost because they were stored on crappy harddrives and not actual tapes that usually degrade more gradually.


I'm salivating at the thought of a Lovesexy SDE release (it's my favorite album), but, yes, vault releases from the 90s and 00s especially would be welcome.

According to Howe, we're pretty much stuck at one SDE release a year. If we get one extra release à la "Originals", that's what? 3-4 CDs worth of studio outtakes and 2 CDs + 1 DVD of live content a year? It's not nothing, but they have to find a way to release more stuff. And I'm thinking about something more ambitious than RSD releases.

I feel bad complaining when I see the tracklist of the SOTT SDE. It's a step in the right direction. But I've seen far better archival releases for other artists, with multiple takes, incomplete takes, rehearsals, studio chatter, etc. Come on, we want it all! biggrin

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Reply #29 posted 06/27/20 7:50am

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Kares said:

My guess is they're working on a Lovesexy SDE. There's a ton of material from that period too, and hopefully they have been able to acquire the rights to the Lovesexy Live video, so that could see a light of day again. (I suspect that the lack of any rerelease of that video means the Estate already acquired the rights for it.)
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On the other hand: what troubles me the most is the total lack of any vault releases from Prince later years. If they truly want to honour him, they should release something more recent, something surprisingly different, something daring – even if it means more risk financially.
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As much as we are thrilled to finally hear our old bootlegs in good quality, these releases won't make new fans, I'm afraid. Truly surprising, experimental and more recent material COULD.
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I believe Prince always had them. IIRC the copyright at the end of the credits says "Paisley Park" and from what was explained once here years ago when I asked, before creating their own music home videos department, WB just sublet their music home videos to PolyGram, hence the 1985 live, the SHeila E. concert and Lovesexy being released by PolyGram on behalf of WB. So in all likehood if the estate could use Double Live on PR Deluxe, they have Lovesexy Live too.

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