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Reply #30 posted 01/08/19 3:58am

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JorisE73 said:

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Quincy made up stories like the one where MJ tried to kill PRINCE with a car, the one where he stole Billie Jean to Donna Summer...He is full of shit and anger towards MJ since he was fired.


Wasn't it Prince who tried to kill MJ with the car? probably in a jokey way.

Holy moly.

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Reply #31 posted 01/08/19 4:05am

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I think another song could've worked, where it was a more balanced collaboration.

I always felt something like Superfly Sister, Why You Wanna Trip on Me, Give In To Me, Partyman, 7, or Endorphinmachine could've worked as duets between them

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Reply #32 posted 01/08/19 4:11am

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bboy87 said:

I think another song could've worked, where it was a more balanced collaboration.

I always felt something like Superfly Sister, Why You Wanna Trip on Me, Give In To Me, Partyman, 7, or Endorphinmachine could've worked as duets between them

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Reply #33 posted 01/08/19 4:39am

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Brad Sundberg, who worked on the song, wasn't there when Prince heard it, posted this on Facebook




The word "Duet" was all over the original track sheets and tape boxes. In fact, it sort of became known as the "Pee Duet". No, that is not a mis-spelling; some of the work tapes and early mixes were called "Pee Duet".



I seem to remember that as part of our security measures very few people were to know that Michael was talking with Prince about doing the duet, so spelling it "Pee" might really throw a curious guest into a quandary. Hey, this was way before Twitter and smart-phones, so our security measures were a bit more unorthodox.



Anyway, the tracks were prepped, and Prince finally came to listen to the song. (Again - I am working on a Taco Bell commercial or eating an In-N-Out burger this particular day.) I'm sure Michael played it for him at 122db spl, and I'm sure the room was rocking. I'm sure they got along swimmingly and I'm sure it was a very memorable day for everyone there.




I can say that when I finally did get back into the studio later that day everyone was very excited about Prince's visit, and how cool he was to be around.




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I was there for a couple of the meetings with Prince and Michael, Quincy and all. Personaly I think that after meeting with Michael, Quincy, Fredy DeMann and his team, Prince realized that he couldn't win this duet/duel with MJ, artistically or other wise... And pulled out... He left the building, so to speak...

As far as I am concerned. I want to say that I love Prince's music...





It was mainly at Quincy's request that MJ came up with Bad and try to make it a duet with Prince



Michael DID reach out to Prince over the years to collaborate on the HIStory album and to help on the cancelled Hurricane Katrina charity single



Yes,I went to some of Sundberg listening stations.
What Sundberg made us listening to was a long never heard version of Bad. It s not the same thing to listen this song in a studio where the sound is incredibly good, and to listen to Bad at home on CD.
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So that's why I am persuaded that the problem wasn't the music or lyrical content.
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Everything in that song could have been negotiated, including Prince playing the funky bass, the solo clavier, etc.
And, of course, the word "butt".
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That butt story was a way for Prince to talk about that missed duet in an humorous way. That s TV, that s showbusiness, you have to be entertaining for the masses.
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That s why it s absurd that some trolls here really think that :
1. MJ sent a tape of his overprotective work to Prince
2. Prince recorded his own version of the song and sent him to MJ
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We are talking here about 2 professionals musicians and superstars at the top of their creativity and seriously dedicated to their art.
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Not 2 kids taking their songs as jokes
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Reply #34 posted 01/08/19 6:55pm

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God can you imagine the man who wrote when doves cry and if i was your girlfriend singing such puerile lyrics as Bad.

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Are you seriously claiming Prince never sang puerile lyrics?


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The nonsense you famz invent to defend your precious hero...



It's singularly the line " Im bad Im bad Im really really bad..." Its lije grandma saying cool or hashtag. It's really embarrassing. Also MJ released an album every five generations of mankind and these are high profile marketed songs. With Prince you'd have to be a fan to find silliness. I disagree with Sexy MF earlier too. Musically it's great. Lyrically it's knowing. You can see the humour in the video!
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Reply #35 posted 01/08/19 7:05pm

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Prince simply didnt do it coz it was way below his standards. I think people are wrong here about the Madonna track. I think it's really subtle. Probably scared the shit out of Madonna at the time.
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Reply #36 posted 01/08/19 7:10pm

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I've never really gotten the hook of "bad" or had any part stick (unlike many other MJ songs that last of which was "Butterflies").

So... I would pay old school bootleg prices to hear what Prince's take on it was. He would have found his idea of the pop "hook" in the idea.

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Reply #37 posted 01/08/19 8:19pm

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I’ve heard the story from different sources, and I somehow thought engineer Hans Buff was talking about on the Youtube video below at the 24 minute mark


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Reply #38 posted 01/09/19 3:33am

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That s why it s absurd that some trolls here really think that : 1. MJ sent a tape of his overprotective work to Prince 2. Prince recorded his own version of the song and sent him to MJ . We are talking here about 2 professionals musicians and superstars at the top of their creativity and seriously dedicated to their art. . Not 2 kids taking their songs as jokes

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Around that same time Prince sent back Madonna a tape of her "Like A Prayer" with him playing wild guitar all over it. Now, what were you saying about artists not sending each other tapes of unreleased music? (Perhaps you think Madonna's too mainstream? Then how about Kate Bush?) Or about Prince treating a song as a joke?

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Reply #39 posted 01/09/19 4:12am

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Prince sent back Madonna a tape of her "Like A Prayer" with him playing wild guitar all over it.

That's not funny. It's easier to just run down a guitar track, then let her use as much or as little as she wants to use. As well as fly in any part wherever she want to put it.

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Reply #40 posted 01/09/19 4:59am

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If Prince did that I hope he said your ass is mine. That butt lyric is so middle school.

"Ass" adds more ferocity than "butt" but the context is still the same.

I also find it ironic and kinda funny that you say MJ saying "butt" is so middle school but think that Prince saying "ass" instead would be such a great improvement.
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Reply #41 posted 01/09/19 6:23am

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RODSERLING said:


That s why it s absurd that some trolls here really think that : 1. MJ sent a tape of his overprotective work to Prince 2. Prince recorded his own version of the song and sent him to MJ . We are talking here about 2 professionals musicians and superstars at the top of their creativity and seriously dedicated to their art. . Not 2 kids taking their songs as jokes

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Around that same time Prince sent back Madonna a tape of her "Like A Prayer" with him playing wild guitar all over it. Now, what were you saying about artists not sending each other tapes of unreleased music? (Perhaps you think Madonna's too mainstream? Then how about Kate Bush?) Or about Prince treating a song as a joke?



Not only was I right about this Bad story, but you quote an instance that goes with what I m saying from the start.
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It would have been simpler for everyone to make Prince involved in this song (or another one for that matters) with just him playing an instrumental solo on it.
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Bad could have been the greatest song on earth, Prince would have never collaborated with MJ, and you know it. Period.
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On Like A virgin, Prince only played an overdubbed instrument that took him about 5 minutes to improvise, and that was too bad to make it on the album.
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There was no rivalry and no comparison possible between Prince and Madonna, a man and a woman
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Nothing to do with a troll here saying Prince re recorded bad, musically, lyrically, etc.
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Reply #42 posted 01/09/19 6:44am

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iZsaZsa said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Prince sent back Madonna a tape of her "Like A Prayer" with him playing wild guitar all over it.

That's not funny. It's easier to just run down a guitar track, then let her use as much or as little as she wants to use. As well as fly in any part wherever she want to put it.


Patrick LEonard (?) sayd Prince made a version with a long guitar solo throughout the track and a tiny part of it was used on the album version or a remix.

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Reply #43 posted 01/09/19 8:14am

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poppys said:


If Prince did that I hope he said your ass is mine. That butt lyric is so middle school.


"Ass" adds more ferocity than "butt" but the context is still the same. I also find it ironic and kinda funny that you say MJ saying "butt" is so middle school but think that Prince saying "ass" instead would be such a great improvement.


It was a bit of a joke but I stand by it. In the context of this particular song, when you're talking about being the baddest ASS around - baddest BUTT doesn't sound as BAD, does it? Watered down for the pop masses and tipper gore types.


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Reply #44 posted 01/09/19 1:58pm

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JorisE73 said:

iZsaZsa said:

That's not funny. It's easier to just run down a guitar track, then let her use as much or as little as she wants to use. As well as fly in any part wherever she want to put it.


Patrick LEonard (?) sayd Prince made a version with a long guitar solo throughout the track and a tiny part of it was used on the album version or a remix.


It's also used on "Act of Contrition".

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Reply #45 posted 01/09/19 2:35pm

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I'm sure Prince produced,arranged,compose & did all the vocals in one hour. biggrin

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Reply #46 posted 01/09/19 3:41pm

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Wasn't it Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me that Prince sent Michael & it was Siedah Garrett (the writer of Liberian Girl) that did the duet (I Just Can't Stop Loving You) with Michael. It would have been great if Prince & Michael would have done something like 100 MPH, I think Mike was digging them as he gave them a shout out

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Reply #47 posted 01/09/19 6:56pm

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Wasn't it Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me that Prince sent Michael & it was Siedah Garrett (the writer of Liberian Girl) that did the duet (I Just Can't Stop Loving You) with Michael. It would have been great if Prince & Michael would have done something like 100 MPH, I think Mike was digging them as he gave them a shout out

Siedah wrote Man In The Mirror smile

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Reply #48 posted 01/09/19 8:13pm

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Quincy Jones is a jerk off...always was and always will be. He is so full of shit. He goes out of his way to always try to make Prince look bad. F U Quincy!

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Reply #49 posted 01/09/19 8:44pm

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bboy87 said:

BEAUGARDE said:

Wasn't it Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me that Prince sent Michael & it was Siedah Garrett (the writer of Liberian Girl) that did the duet (I Just Can't Stop Loving You) with Michael. It would have been great if Prince & Michael would have done something like 100 MPH, I think Mike was digging them as he gave them a shout out

Siedah wrote Man In The Mirror smile


Yep. Siedah is so underrated, still, I feel, as a songwriter.

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Reply #50 posted 01/10/19 1:59am

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JorisE73 said:



iZsaZsa said:




BartVanHemelen said:


Prince sent back Madonna a tape of her "Like A Prayer" with him playing wild guitar all over it.



That's not funny. It's easier to just run down a guitar track, then let her use as much or as little as she wants to use. As well as fly in any part wherever she want to put it.




Patrick LEonard (?) sayd Prince made a version with a long guitar solo throughout the track and a tiny part of it was used on the album version or a remix.



On thé remix version. And I even wonder it the album was already mastered and ready to be released when they sent Prince the tapes
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Reply #51 posted 01/10/19 5:17am

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JorisE73 said:


Patrick LEonard (?) sayd Prince made a version with a long guitar solo throughout the track and a tiny part of it was used on the album version or a remix.

On thé remix version. And I even wonder it the album was already mastered and ready to be released when they sent Prince the tapes


I think you can hear part of his solo on the album version in reverse or was that only in the video for the song?

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Reply #52 posted 01/10/19 7:04am

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RODSERLING said:

JorisE73 said:



iZsaZsa said:




BartVanHemelen said:


Prince sent back Madonna a tape of her "Like A Prayer" with him playing wild guitar all over it.



That's not funny. It's easier to just run down a guitar track, then let her use as much or as little as she wants to use. As well as fly in any part wherever she want to put it.




Patrick LEonard (?) sayd Prince made a version with a long guitar solo throughout the track and a tiny part of it was used on the album version or a remix.



On thé remix version. And I even wonder it the album was already mastered and ready to be released when they sent Prince the tapes
on one of the 12” versions released at the time there is even a snippet of “Bob George”

Arguing about this or Bad is just bonkers. Of course they asked Prince to record on Bad with MJ, of course Prince participated in Like A Prayer.
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Reply #53 posted 01/10/19 7:57am

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^ Prince is on Like A Prayer yes (however not on Like A Virgin) wink wink wink

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Reply #54 posted 01/10/19 8:13am

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thedance said:

^ Prince is on Like A Prayer yes (however not on Like A Virgin) wink wink wink



That’s what I meant
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Reply #55 posted 01/10/19 8:36am

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yeah I know... just a "type" thing from you.. cool... wink

Ps:..... could it be the Prince-guitar we are hearing in the very (VERY) short intro to the title track "Like A Prayer"..

(only a few seconds)

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Reply #56 posted 01/10/19 8:45am

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^ .... could it be the Prince-guitar we are hearing in the very (VERY) short intro to the title track "Like A Prayer"..



Listen, from seconds 00:05 to 00:10 is this Prince on the guitar........?

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Reply #57 posted 01/10/19 11:23am

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^ .... could it be the Prince-guitar we are hearing in the very (VERY) short intro to the title track "Like A Prayer"..



Listen, from seconds 00:05 to 00:10 is this Prince on the guitar........?


I thought this was common knowledge amongst Prince fans?


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Reply #58 posted 01/11/19 12:45am

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thedance said:



^ .... could it be the Prince-guitar we are hearing in the very (VERY) short intro to the title track "Like A Prayer"..



Listen, from seconds 00:05 to 00:10 is this Prince on the guitar........?


I thought this was common knowledge amongst Prince fans?


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[Edited 1/10/19 11:24am]

It is.

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Reply #59 posted 01/11/19 1:32am

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IIRC , for the Immaculate Collection, another remix version was used. Neither the album version, nor the Prince remix version.
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I think it was in order to not pay Prince royalties anymore
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