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Reply #60 posted 01/09/19 11:10pm

JorisE73

rdhull said:

MIRvmn said:

rdhull said: There must be more piano rehearsals from that era but they managed to pick the one which has been around on bootlegs for many years, I don't think that's a coincidence but it's strange choice to release it as an album instead of a bonus disc.

TBH, I dont believe that just discovered and neeeded immediate release story at all. Nobody worth their salt as a fan did not already know about Eavesdropping In Intmate Moments. Especially someone chosen to curate the vault. Why that story was pushed is weird to me. Almost either a cover-up story for whatever reasons or straight up trolling.


I don;t think he was chosen, he said he volunteered to curate the vault and it's pretty obvious that he isn't as knowledgable as the average fan.

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Reply #61 posted 01/10/19 1:01am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Do not forget 1999 the New Master!

ughguhg

there's my disc 3

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Reply #62 posted 01/10/19 4:48am

BlueShakooo

jaawwnn said:

Face it, we're getting this:
Disc 1: 1999 album but the segue from 1999->Little Red Corvette is broken
Disc 2: How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore
Horny Toad
Irresistible Bitch
Moonbeam Levels
Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix)
1999 7" edit
Little Red Corvette - 7" edit
Delirious - 7" edit
Let's Pretend We're Married - 7" edit
All The Critics Love U In New York - 7" edit
Lady Cab Driver - 7" edit
One common outtake from the wrong time period sourced from a Blast from the Past mp3 download.
DVD: announced in the press release but never comes out.

I'm as pessimistic as you.

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Reply #63 posted 01/10/19 1:48pm

SoulAlive

they better include the amazing early (demo) version of "Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)" music that version is incredible!

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Reply #64 posted 01/10/19 2:13pm

42Kristen

lol

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Reply #65 posted 01/10/19 3:17pm

databank

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jaypotton said:

RODSERLING said:
PR deluxe was great. The compulsive illegal downloader that you are will never be satisfied, since almost everything has already leaked. Personally, I m just listening to official releases, so everything in the CD 2 of PR deluxe was new to me. And it was the best Prince release since at least 3121
Not sure how to take your response? Very presumptuous of you to know the reason for my criticism of PR Deluxe and assume it is because I already had those tracks? I do own physical bootlegs (not bought any for well over a decade) and did have a lot of downloads from back in the days of Napster but again nothing for more than a decade. I did have some (not all) of the tracks included or different versions of them. However, I always want to own official released versions of everything and wouldn't and haven't criticised any release for including rarities etc that have previously leaked...because I still want the official version. My criticism of PR deluxe is that it was poorly executed, the sound quality wasn't great and WB reversed a previous official announcement about a second disc of vault material. But as per previous point, I would have bought PR deluxe anyway just to own the official long version of Computer Blue.

Objectively, PR Deluxe had many flaws:

- I'm not sure about the remastering because I ain't no audiophile but consensus is that it's just louder.

- Glitch on Erotic City (outrageous, a free new CD should have been offered to purchasers)

- Drop-out on Computer Blue Extended (really not cool)

- Material missing (several edits of PR, audio versions of the music videos and the music videos themselves on the DVD, and even though it may have been more difficult regarding rights, the 2 TV appearances would have been a nice bonus, as well as 4 The Tears In Your Eyes #1 since it was released during the "PR era", i.e. before ATWIAD launched, but that last one is debatable as consensus is that it belongs with ATWIAD)

- Some confusion regarding recording dates (with Possessed 84 being labeled as 83 on top of it all, meaning they acknowledged the existence of 2 versions and still managed to get it wrong when everyone knew which was which)

- A questionable choice for TDE, given that it wasn't the "final" version, even though it's always nice to have a work in progress version, but still...

- Outtakes all coming from cassettes in the WB vault as opposed to original tapes, with uneven sound quality.

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All this being said it was an enjoyable release, particularly the outtakes CD, but far from what you would call a state of the art product.

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Reply #66 posted 01/10/19 3:30pm

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Existing material that should be included beyond unreleased material and, of course, the original album:

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- 1999 - 3:36 [edit]

- 1999 (Edit) (Mono) - 3:36

- 1999 (Album Version) - 6:15 [fades out, not listed on Princevault but I have it and it's been included on at least some digital reissues of 1999, replacing the real album version]

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- Little Red Corvette - 3:08 [edit]

- Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix) - 8:22

- Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix Edit) - 4:32

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- Delirious - 2:38 [edit]
- Delirious (Mono) - 2:38

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- Let's Pretend We're Married - 3:40 [edit]
- Let's Pretend We're Married (Edit) (Mono) - 3:40
- Let's Pretend We're Married - 4:03 [video edit]

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- Lady Cab Driver - 5:01 [edit]

- Automatic - 3:38 [edit]

- D.M.S.R. - 5:04 [edit]

- All The Critics Love U In New York - 3:15 [edit]

- Free - 4:35 [edit]

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- How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore - 3:50

- Horny Toad - 2:12

- Irresistible Bitch - 4:11

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Reply #67 posted 01/10/19 3:55pm

Freek99999

Please no! I really don't want edits of the big hits on an expanded edition of the album, let alone mono edits. Release them as additional downloads if must so I can leave them alone but don't let them take up space on the physical product!

databank said:

Existing material that should be included beyond unreleased material and, of course, the original album:

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- 1999 - 3:36 [edit]

- 1999 (Edit) (Mono) - 3:36

- 1999 (Album Version) - 6:15 [fades out, not listed on Princevault but I have it and it's been included on at least some digital reissues of 1999, replacing the real album version]

.

- Little Red Corvette - 3:08 [edit]

- Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix) - 8:22

- Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix Edit) - 4:32

.

- Delirious - 2:38 [edit]
- Delirious (Mono) - 2:38

.

- Let's Pretend We're Married - 3:40 [edit]
- Let's Pretend We're Married (Edit) (Mono) - 3:40
- Let's Pretend We're Married - 4:03 [video edit]

.

- Lady Cab Driver - 5:01 [edit]

- Automatic - 3:38 [edit]

- D.M.S.R. - 5:04 [edit]

- All The Critics Love U In New York - 3:15 [edit]

- Free - 4:35 [edit]

.

- How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore - 3:50

- Horny Toad - 2:12

- Irresistible Bitch - 4:11

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Reply #68 posted 01/10/19 4:00pm

databank

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Freek99999 said:

Please no! I really don't want edits of the big hits on an expanded edition of the album, let alone mono edits. Release them as additional downloads if must so I can leave them alone but don't let them take up space on the physical product!

databank said:

Existing material that should be included beyond unreleased material and, of course, the original album:

.

- 1999 - 3:36 [edit]

- 1999 (Edit) (Mono) - 3:36

- 1999 (Album Version) - 6:15 [fades out, not listed on Princevault but I have it and it's been included on at least some digital reissues of 1999, replacing the real album version]

.

- Little Red Corvette - 3:08 [edit]

- Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix) - 8:22

- Little Red Corvette (Dance Remix Edit) - 4:32

.

- Delirious - 2:38 [edit]
- Delirious (Mono) - 2:38

.

- Let's Pretend We're Married - 3:40 [edit]
- Let's Pretend We're Married (Edit) (Mono) - 3:40
- Let's Pretend We're Married - 4:03 [video edit]

.

- Lady Cab Driver - 5:01 [edit]

- Automatic - 3:38 [edit]

- D.M.S.R. - 5:04 [edit]

- All The Critics Love U In New York - 3:15 [edit]

- Free - 4:35 [edit]

.

- How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore - 3:50

- Horny Toad - 2:12

- Irresistible Bitch - 4:11

Digital would be fine, it's a shame they didn't do it with the missing material on PR Deluxe.

Not remastering/rereleasing them at all would be a shame.

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Reply #69 posted 01/10/19 4:01pm

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These additional edits should absolutely be released on CD format, just not in place of unreleased tracks. The correct option is of course both.
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Reply #70 posted 01/10/19 5:34pm

jdcxc

Why do people care about the edits? Just curious.
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Reply #71 posted 01/10/19 5:51pm

woogiebear

Dear Estate: DO IT!!!!!

cool cool cool

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Reply #72 posted 01/10/19 5:52pm

ChocolateBox31
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It's true.....

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #73 posted 01/10/19 10:08pm

databank

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jdcxc said:

Why do people care about the edits? Just curious.

It's a completist thing. I honestly don't listen to those edits much, and don't care for them when I do, but I want a copy of everything ever released by Prince, period. If I could, I'd want to have everything ever recorded by him.

It's a bit like why would I want each and every show of any given tour with a more or less stable setlist when one show would, after all, be enough for my enjoyement (we have all those PR Tour SBD's on boots and I'll probably never listen to most of them again), but if the Estate were to upload all the shows on a website, I'd still get them all.

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Reply #74 posted 01/10/19 10:12pm

databank

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jaawwnn said:

These additional edits should absolutely be released on CD format, just not in place of unreleased tracks. The correct option is of course both.

Conflicting opinions...

Some want them, some don't.

Personally I go digital only so I'm fine with digital as long as they're available. The question, in the end, is whether adding them to a CD set would boost or harm sales, and I honestly have no clue. You'd believe the target audience is hardcore fans who'd want everything, but many fans have said before they don't care for them, so IDK.

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Reply #75 posted 01/11/19 12:51am

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jdcxc said:

Why do people care about the edits? Just curious.

I find them an interesting insight into the time period, these would have been what people heard on the radio if the song was played back then. At the end of the day these are retrospective releases so it's interesting to hear "this is everything that was part of the campaign to sell the album to the public."

Sometimes there's additions to the songs, say the single edit of I Would Die 4 U without the segue into Baby I'm a Star.

Sometimes it changes the vibe of a song, the 7" edit of Let's Pretend We're Married loses that huge buildup and goes straight into the song, it's a bit startling.

Other times i'm just putting song on a playlist for a friend or myself but don't feel the need to have a 10 minute song and kind of wish the single edit was there.

Then there's the completionist angle, and the sheer "why the fuck not?" of it all, cd's aren't expensive, we're talking pennies on top of the price for an additional cd.


Like I said though, not at the expense of new stuff, that should be a given.

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Reply #76 posted 01/11/19 1:55am

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If they do release 1999 Deluxe and do it properly (at least one but preferable two discs of outtakes), I’ll probably buy at least 10 copies of the thing lol.
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Reply #77 posted 01/11/19 2:15am

love2thenines2
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What are the unreleased stuff demos...outtakes..alternate takes...longer unreleased ones never heard yet from 1999 sessions but we know 4 sure are in the Vault?
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Reply #78 posted 01/11/19 3:08am

paulludvig

SoulAlive said:

they better include the amazing early (demo) version of "Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)" music that version is incredible!

Is there one?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #79 posted 01/11/19 3:33am

PURPLEIZED3121

I have zero confidence in the estate, Sony Legacy, anyone involved in the re-mastering process & especially the family !!

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Reply #80 posted 01/11/19 4:59am

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I've been waiting for this pratically ALL MY LIFE! A remastered deluxe edition of MY ALL TIME favorite Prince(r.i.p.) album. When I first heard about it earlier last year. That WBR was working on it & it was the next remastered release I was simply ECSTATIC!


"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
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Reply #81 posted 01/11/19 6:03am

mediumdry

jaawwnn said:

jdcxc said:

Why do people care about the edits? Just curious.

I find them an interesting insight into the time period, these would have been what people heard on the radio if the song was played back then. At the end of the day these are retrospective releases so it's interesting to hear "this is everything that was part of the campaign to sell the album to the public."

Sometimes there's additions to the songs, say the single edit of I Would Die 4 U without the segue into Baby I'm a Star.

Sometimes it changes the vibe of a song, the 7" edit of Let's Pretend We're Married loses that huge buildup and goes straight into the song, it's a bit startling.

Other times i'm just putting song on a playlist for a friend or myself but don't feel the need to have a 10 minute song and kind of wish the single edit was there.

Then there's the completionist angle, and the sheer "why the fuck not?" of it all, cd's aren't expensive, we're talking pennies on top of the price for an additional cd.


Like I said though, not at the expense of new stuff, that should be a given.

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The "deluxe" angle is that it is the definitive version of that album, including all the extras that already were and more. So all versions of singles released with the album should be part of it. And indeed, there are some interesting bits that come with the edits. See also the guitar part at the end of the edit of Hello that is not on the extended version, or Kiss! That funky wah is not on the album and not on the (amazingly good) extended version.

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A deluxe version should be able to serve many people at once: the completists, the new master wannahaves, the people that want the story/stories around the album and those that want more tracks from the era (and the video people and the people interested in live music and the people that want new pictures from back then, and..... and.....)

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Reply #82 posted 01/11/19 8:33am

soladeo1

I agonize over it but I think 1999 might be my favorite Prince album ever (and of all time).

If done right I'd buy all possible formats of a DELUXE EDITION.

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Reply #83 posted 01/11/19 11:08am

jdcxc

mediumdry said:



jaawwnn said:




jdcxc said:


Why do people care about the edits? Just curious.

I find them an interesting insight into the time period, these would have been what people heard on the radio if the song was played back then. At the end of the day these are retrospective releases so it's interesting to hear "this is everything that was part of the campaign to sell the album to the public."

Sometimes there's additions to the songs, say the single edit of I Would Die 4 U without the segue into Baby I'm a Star.

Sometimes it changes the vibe of a song, the 7" edit of Let's Pretend We're Married loses that huge buildup and goes straight into the song, it's a bit startling.

Other times i'm just putting song on a playlist for a friend or myself but don't feel the need to have a 10 minute song and kind of wish the single edit was there.

Then there's the completionist angle, and the sheer "why the fuck not?" of it all, cd's aren't expensive, we're talking pennies on top of the price for an additional cd.


Like I said though, not at the expense of new stuff, that should be a given.



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The "deluxe" angle is that it is the definitive version of that album, including all the extras that already were and more. So all versions of singles released with the album should be part of it. And indeed, there are some interesting bits that come with the edits. See also the guitar part at the end of the edit of Hello that is not on the extended version, or Kiss! That funky wah is not on the album and not on the (amazingly good) extended version.


.


A deluxe version should be able to serve many people at once: the completists, the new master wannahaves, the people that want the story/stories around the album and those that want more tracks from the era (and the video people and the people interested in live music and the people that want new pictures from back then, and..... and.....)



Thanks...good points.
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Reply #84 posted 01/11/19 11:14am

PURPLEIZED3121

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I've been waiting for this pratically ALL MY LIFE! A remastered deluxe edition of MY ALL TIME favorite Prince(r.i.p.) album. When I first heard about it earlier last year. That WBR was working on it & it was the next remastered release I was simply ECSTATIC!


were u dreamin' when u wrote this?....keep dreamin'!!!

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Reply #85 posted 01/11/19 2:07pm

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jdcxc said:

Why do people care about the edits? Just curious.


People have covered most of the reasons, but here's another reason why I like single edits:

I listen to full albums at work, but at home, it's mostly iTunes shuffle playing in the background of whatever I'm doing. So for the album versions of the singles, I've selected 'skip when shuffling' so that I only get the single edits coming up. That way, when I do put the full album on, it's more special because I'm treated to the full versions of the songs. It's not for everyone I suppose, but I do enjoy that extra little thrill. cool

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Reply #86 posted 01/11/19 3:16pm

SoulAlive

paulludvig said:



SoulAlive said:


they better include the amazing early (demo) version of "Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)" music that version is incredible!



Is there one?



yeah and I love it
smile
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Reply #87 posted 01/11/19 3:45pm

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SoulAlive said:

paulludvig said:



SoulAlive said:


they better include the amazing early (demo) version of "Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)" music that version is incredible!



Is there one?



yeah and I love it
smile

Me too!
What?
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Reply #88 posted 01/12/19 6:02am

paulludvig

iZsaZsa said:

SoulAlive said:



yeah and I love it
smile

Me too!


Are you thinking of the "band version" of the song? I thought that one was later.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #89 posted 01/12/19 6:09am

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SoulAlive said:

paulludvig said:



SoulAlive said:


they better include the amazing early (demo) version of "Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)" music that version is incredible!



Is there one?



yeah and I love it
smile


It’s been circulating on many bootlegs, namely 30 Years of Unreleased Funk and H2O, for many years, and in excellent quality.
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