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Thread started 04/07/18 5:13pm

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Rick James - Prince Did a Terrible Job on "Betcha By Golly Wow"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQ9Hyoz7PE

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Reply #1 posted 04/07/18 5:23pm

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He was right. I don't like the Bonnie Raitt cover either (even though it introduced me to the original). Prince was masterful at building up a song from the grounds up, but remakes have never been one of his strengthes. I'll say this though, I loved his remake of "Get On Up", that was definitly fun.

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Reply #2 posted 04/07/18 5:30pm

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Omg,,,,definitly COOKIE JAR! love Yes lord! That was a great remake.

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Reply #3 posted 04/07/18 5:54pm

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^^^ I never knew that those two were covers omfg
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Reply #4 posted 04/07/18 5:56pm

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I am confused.. COokie jars are for cursing. And which remake are you now talking about. As for James comment, it was an unnecessary cover and not as good as the original. But "terrible" is a strong word to describe it and obviously coming from someone with an axe to grind.

Hamad said:

Omg,,,,definitly COOKIE JAR! love Yes lord! That was a great remake.

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Reply #5 posted 04/07/18 5:58pm

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LOL. What does anyone expect Rick James to say? Although in his autobiography, Rick gave Prince props...absolutely nowhere else does he say anything positive.It was not a "terrible job." "Betcha By Golly Wow" was fine...I have doubts about it as a choice for Prince's first single off Emancipation but it was clearly expressing the love he was feeling for Mayte at the time and it was well executed.

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Reply #6 posted 04/07/18 6:33pm

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rap said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQ9Hyoz7PE

NONSENSE !

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Reply #7 posted 04/07/18 6:57pm

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LOL. What does anyone expect Rick James to say? Although in his autobiography, Rick gave Prince props...absolutely nowhere else does he say anything positive.It was not a "terrible job." "Betcha By Golly Wow" was fine...I have doubts about it as a choice for Prince's first single off Emancipation but it was clearly expressing the love he was feeling for Mayte at the time and it was well executed.

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I love prince's version of BBGW. It's so heartfelt and the vocals are beautiful. I agree that it wasn't a good choice for a first single, but he was an independent artist and got to do what he wanted to do.

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Reply #9 posted 04/07/18 9:47pm

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Hamad said:

Prince was masterful at building up a song from the grounds up, but remakes have never been one of his strengths.

I agree and I also think there are many songs that should not be remade."Betcha By Golly Wow" is one of them smile the original by the Stylistics,produced by Thom Bell,is just perfect.

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Reply #10 posted 04/07/18 9:50pm

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but having said that....Rick James needed to STFU biggrin his constant criticisms of Prince were becoming boring,by that point

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Reply #11 posted 04/07/18 10:11pm

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He has some great live remakes. I think he was more free in a live setting than in someof the studio stuff--particulary remakes. But his live version of The Whole of the Moon was outstanding, IMO. Also good were "Play that funky Music" that Cars song, Waiting in Vain, Heroes, Only Love can hurt like this, Best of You/All Along the Watchtower, MIss you (by the Stones) Creep (the second half), Motherless Child, EvenFlow (with the vocal line being played on guitar), and Use me up. Not live songs per see, but his versions of AnotherLove and "the sweeter she is" were good too.

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Hamad said:

Prince was masterful at building up a song from the grounds up, but remakes have never been one of his strengths.

I agree and I also think there are many songs that should not be remade."Betcha By Golly Wow" is one of them smile the original by the Stylistics,produced by Thom Bell,is just perfect.

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Reply #12 posted 04/07/18 11:45pm

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SoulAlive said:

Hamad said:

Prince was masterful at building up a song from the grounds up, but remakes have never been one of his strengths.

I agree and I also think there are many songs that should not be remade."Betcha By Golly Wow" is one of them smile the original by the Stylistics,produced by Thom Bell,is just perfect.

Yup, I've always felt the same about that song, even if the cover is by Prince. The Stylistics' original can't be topped.

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Reply #13 posted 04/08/18 12:05am

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I am confused.. COokie jars are for cursing. And which remake are you now talking about. As for James comment, it was an unnecessary cover and not as good as the original. But "terrible" is a strong word to describe it and obviously coming from someone with an axe to grind.

Hamad said:

Omg,,,,definitly COOKIE JAR! love Yes lord! That was a great remake.

Cookie Jar & Get On Up were both cover songs & outtakes from 1988, which I thought he did a good job. Betcha By Golly Wow & I Can't Make you love me, are cover songs from Emancipation. I personally don't have an ax to grind when it comes to Prince because I love him. But I honestly think those were terrible and unnecessary too.

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Reply #14 posted 04/08/18 12:09am

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^^^ I never knew that those two were covers omfg

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Reply #15 posted 04/08/18 2:08am

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Not everything Rick says is wrong and not everything that Prince did was great, this subject is one of the few cases where the planets line up.
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Reply #16 posted 04/08/18 5:42am

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Hamad said:

Silvertongue7 said:

^^^ I never knew that those two were covers omfg

That Parlet song is incredible, you can tell it has the George Clinton touch through and through, it is amazing how many projects he had going at once, and the vaginal space ship cover - that is hilarious.

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Reply #17 posted 04/08/18 6:32am

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I guess to really get prince take on Betcha By Golly Wow, you had to be there when it hit. Huge emotional impact song of the time, 1972, Prince was 14. Lush sexy tune coming over the airwaves. Then you go to the wreka stow and buy it, maybe run into somebody... So, whether Ricky liked it or not, some of us loved it - and the fact that he would cover it.


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Reply #18 posted 04/08/18 7:15am

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Reply #19 posted 04/08/18 9:45am

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SoulAlive said:

Hamad said:

Prince was masterful at building up a song from the grounds up, but remakes have never been one of his strengths.

I agree and I also think there are many songs that should not be remade."Betcha By Golly Wow" is one of them smile the original by the Stylistics,produced by Thom Bell,is just perfect.

truth. One of the songs that shouldn't be touched. Prince & RJ were rivals. RJ respected Prince but when it came to music it was "game on." Ali vs Foreman. sad

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Reply #20 posted 04/08/18 10:14am

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BBGW was always a little too sappy. It is a classic song but I would listen to songs like "Pink Cashmere" a million times more. Rick James had some great songs but to me he was a second tier artist to guys like Prince, James Brown and Michael Jackson.

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Reply #21 posted 04/08/18 10:25am

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Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #22 posted 04/08/18 10:30am

SoulAlive

Hamad said:

Silvertongue7 said:

^^^ I never knew that those two were covers omfg

"Cookie Jar" by Parlet is my jam headbang one of the best P-Funk-related jams ever.Love that bass!

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Reply #23 posted 04/08/18 10:43am

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Prince, Charlie & Rick are probably having pancakes right now.

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Reply #24 posted 04/08/18 11:04am

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Pretty sure Prince's Cookie Jar cover was based on the original by Fuzzy Haskins, not the later Parlet version. (although I think the Parlet version is better)

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As to Prince and covers.. to me it always seemed like he wasn't really comfortable doing other people's songs. BBGW is one of his worst covers to me, but he was in love and liked Philly soul. To me it was cool he wanted to do it, I could just skip the track.

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Reply #25 posted 04/08/18 12:16pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

luv4u said:

Prince, Charlie & Rick are probably having pancakes right now.


And playing basketball: Blouses v. the Shirts lol

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Reply #26 posted 04/08/18 1:01pm

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I didn't mean you had an axe to grind--I meant rick james.

Hamad said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am confused.. COokie jars are for cursing. And which remake are you now talking about. As for James comment, it was an unnecessary cover and not as good as the original. But "terrible" is a strong word to describe it and obviously coming from someone with an axe to grind.

Cookie Jar & Get On Up were both cover songs & outtakes from 1988, which I thought he did a good job. Betcha By Golly Wow & I Can't Make you love me, are cover songs from Emancipation. I personally don't have an ax to grind when it comes to Prince because I love him. But I honestly think those were terrible and unnecessary too.

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Reply #27 posted 04/08/18 1:26pm

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luv4u said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Prince, Charlie & Rick are probably having pancakes right now.


And playing basketball: Blouses v. the Shirts lol

That's one game I'd like to see! lol BTW I didn't realize Charlie had passed, too... RIP...

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Reply #28 posted 04/08/18 1:43pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Prince, Charlie & Rick are probably having pancakes right now.


And playing basketball: Blouses v. the Shirts lol

Having watched that entire Rick James interview on YouTube, it's hard to believe Rick had any respect for Prince. He said some rough shit about Prince...

"......that little thang......wanna-be man, don't know what color he is......"

lol

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Reply #29 posted 04/08/18 1:46pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

luv4u said:


And playing basketball: Blouses v. the Shirts lol

Having watched that entire Rick James interview on YouTube, it's hard to believe Rick had any respect for Prince. He said some rough shit about Prince...

"......that little thang......wanna-be man, don't know what color he is......"

lol

Spoken out of jealousy...

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