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Reply #210 posted 10/09/16 5:34pm

LBrent

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Laura, you've got something there. Maybe, just maybe, he dodged a bullet on the songs with the LLC.

This is from Dibblekins. We are missing some information but if he was just an employee/shareholder and others are shareholders the business continues on.

Dibblekins said:

From what I am reading, in Minnesota, the death of an owner, or a 'member' of an LLC - if he / she is just ONE of the owners / shareholders - doesn't affect the running of the company...
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IF Prince had stocks / shares in NPG LLC then THOSE would be distributed according to MN's intestacy laws (because Prince has no will) - but if stocks / shares are owned by others, they continue unaffected and are not considered part of the deceased member's estate.
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Of course, this is assuming one of two things:
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1) There were other owners / members / shareholders;

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2) That Prince had maintained a stake in the company in the first place...Do we know if had done this?

Or what if the LLC was populated with P's copyrights and at the end of the day, the LLC shareholders owned all of the copyrights and P had surrendered his ownership entirely for the sake of, after his passing there was no transfer required because it all happened beforehand?

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Reply #211 posted 10/10/16 5:50am

laurarichardso
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LBrent said:



laurarichardson said:




1Sasha said:


Laura, you've got something there. Maybe, just maybe, he dodged a bullet on the songs with the LLC.



This is from Dibblekins. We are missing some information but if he was just an employee/shareholder and others are shareholders the business continues on.


Dibblekins said:


From what I am reading, in Minnesota, the death of an owner, or a 'member' of an LLC - if he / she is just ONE of the owners / shareholders - doesn't affect the running of the company...
.
IF Prince had stocks / shares in NPG LLC then THOSE would be distributed according to MN's intestacy laws (because Prince has no will) - but if stocks / shares are owned by others, they continue unaffected and are not considered part of the deceased member's estate.
.
Of course, this is assuming one of two things:
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1) There were other owners / members / shareholders;


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2) That Prince had maintained a stake in the company in the first place...Do we know if had done this?




Or what if the LLC was populated with P's copyrights and at the end of the day, the LLC shareholders owned all of the copyrights and P had surrendered his ownership entirely for the sake of, after his passing there was no transfer required because it all happened beforehand?


-- If you read the docs that is how it appears. All of the publishing was transferred to the LLC. Prince is listed as an employee as a songwriter working for the LLC.
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Reply #212 posted 10/10/16 11:08am

MMJas

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laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

Or what if the LLC was populated with P's copyrights and at the end of the day, the LLC shareholders owned all of the copyrights and P had surrendered his ownership entirely for the sake of, after his passing there was no transfer required because it all happened beforehand?

-- If you read the docs that is how it appears. All of the publishing was transferred to the LLC. Prince is listed as an employee as a songwriter working for the LLC.

Crafty. And thoroughly planned. Two years ago, you say? Well, now, it seems it was around the same time Tyka felt crushed over something... Prince was taking care of business.

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Reply #213 posted 10/12/16 3:01am

CooperC62057

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phatphuk said:





teach49 said:


"...And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word “crushed.” So, the inference is that “crushed” is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed “with grief” because grief was the topic in the conversation...



...My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way. wink..."






phatphuk said:





"...But the fact still remains. She did not say she was crushed with grief — to the best of my knowledge...





...All's I'm saying is I interpret the sister's cryptic riddle according to my own past personal experience and logical thinking. But at the same time, I'm open-minded. She might very well have actually meant she was crushed with grief. How do I know what she actually meant?..."













Thank you for your reply, teach49.





My interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the one fact that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds.





With that indisputable fact as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds.





Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implications of that {in my interpretation} are...





  1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain


  2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids


  3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor


  4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted


  5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket


  6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved


  7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, "What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!"


  8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, "I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain."


  9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, "I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die..."


  10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to "Get Help!", were falling on deaf ears


  11. ...




So putting the sister's "I've known for two years" interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died.





Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire contextplus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later.






Totally agree! When looking at the "big picture" here, take into consideration also the other family member that said they had tried to help him. I suspect that there may have been other "overdoses" or near od's that family members were aware of that were not public. These family members lived close - and you know family communicates. The other "public figures" that were around him didn't see him every single day. People taking opiates have times where nothing seems to be out of the norm. As for Tyka "preparing".....when you know someone close is dependent on opiates, whether it's heroin or pills, you are well aware of the deadly consequences. When they don't listen and agree to get help, you know where it's going - yes, you prepare yourself for that eventual outcome and pray every single day that it doesn't happen but you definitely KNOW and struggle with that reality.
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Reply #214 posted 10/12/16 8:59am

teach49

CooperC62057 said:

phatphuk said:





Thank you for your reply, teach49.



My interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the one fact that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds.



With that indisputable fact as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds.



Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implications of that {in my interpretation} are...



  1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain

  2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids

  3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor

  4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted

  5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket

  6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved

  7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, "What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!"

  8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, "I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain."

  9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, "I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die..."

  10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to "Get Help!", were falling on deaf ears

  11. ...



So putting the sister's "I've known for two years" interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died.



Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire contextplus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later.



Totally agree! When looking at the "big picture" here, take into consideration also the other family member that said they had tried to help him. I suspect that there may have been other "overdoses" or near od's that family members were aware of that were not public. These family members lived close - and you know family communicates. The other "public figures" that were around him didn't see him every single day. People taking opiates have times where nothing seems to be out of the norm. As for Tyka "preparing".......when you know someone close is dependent on opiates, whether it's heroin or pills, you are well aware of the deadly consequences. When they don't listen and agree to get help, you know where it's going - yes, you prepare yourself for that eventual outcome and pray every single day that it doesn't happen but you definitely KNOW and struggle with that reality.

I've been there on all three counts -- family member with terminal illness, three family members with serious addictions, and family member with chronic, sometimes fatal illness. My point to phatphuk wasn't that P was not addicted or that pills weren't the main issue. My point was that those who interpreted Tyka's comments as revealing that more might be happening than addiction -- that he might have had a serious illness -- are not taking an illogical position. Some on this thread treat those who think he may have also had an illness as delusional and incapable of reasoning through logic. I was merely pointing out that language matters, and, believe or not, human beings are not all that original in their use of it. Tyka used language that is commonly used when a loved one has an illness, rather than an addiction. Of course, she's Prince's sister and might not react commonly, but still.

My personal view is that he likely had liver problems due to opoid use which would mean that both interpretations are correct. I had a high school friend who was an alcoholic die of liver problems at 42. She'd abused her liver for too long so it went kaput. She knew she was dying for a year and she stopped drinking so she could spend quality time with her daughter. She still died though. Many would just keep drinking with that diagnosis because why bother to be sober at that point.

I know there are those who think that he was murdered or that he had cancer. Most, however, are not arguing with the exact cause of death -- fentanyl toxicity -- they just think there are clues that more was going on and understand that the "more" could ultimately be related to opoiod use.

Seems like many treat this as an either/or when it's probably a both/and. Everyone is probably right to some degree (except the murder theory...I just don't see strong evidence for that).

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Reply #215 posted 10/19/16 9:06pm

cryingdoves

After finding out that the creamation place where P was cremated has a warner brothers executive on the board (hairman and CEO Cameron Strang )

1Sasha said:

I don't think the family owes anyone anything, including a funeral, memorial service, tombstone, etc. That being said, I as a fan would appreciate it if the autopsy report was released. Many of us here think something else was going on, beyond the ultimately fatal Fentanyl dose. So much is happening so quickly - I feel TPTB are sweeping away the end of Prince's existence in the hope that any questions people (fans, reporters, etc.) might have will gradually go away ... The whole "1958 - Infinity" concept. JMO

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Reply #216 posted 11/06/16 7:30pm

cryingdoves

phatphuk said:



steakfinger said:





Nice one steakfinger! thumbs up!






Here is another one of more considered interpretations of the sister's cryptic riddle, which I'm favoring right now...






By Jayme Deerwester , USA TODAY 3:30 p.m. EDT October 6, 2016



"...“I have been preparing for two years, so I knew that it was coming”...



...Though her choice of words may suggest that Nelson was aware of her brother's use of prescription painkillers, drugs never explicitly came up in the interview...



...Instead, her explanation for why she was prepared for his death was that Prince himself seemed to sense the end was near...



...“He said it a couple of years ago: 'I've done everything that I've come to do,' I was crushed for about two years”..."








It astounds me how people misinterpret "I've done everything that I've come to do" to mean "I'm terminally ill".



"I've done everything that I've come to do" could also be interpreted to mean — "I've accepted that the well of brilliantly original musical ideas has finally run dry".



But hey! If imagining Prince's being terminally ill is what people need to believe to get themselves out of bed in the morning, far be it for me to begrudge them their own spin on the sister's cryptic riddle.




















[Edited 10/6/16 18:07pm]

How can Tyka now this if they have not spoken in years? Is everyone forgetting this??? He did not have a relationship with her all!!

"do U dream straight up or do U dream in W's?"
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Reply #217 posted 11/06/16 7:32pm

cryingdoves

teach49 said:

I understand the entire context and your interpretation is a valid one. All I'm saying is that a different viewpoint is just as valid. That's it. I am not disputing that he died from a fentanyl overdose. I am saying that her comments can be interpreted to mean that more was going on. She was clear that this has been going on for two years -- I think we can agree on that. As someone who has family members who are addicts -- two years is not long enough to be resigned to the loved one's death due to addiction. You have not lost hope in just two years. It takes much longer to realize -- even with serious drug overdoses -- that death is inevitable. Possible, yes; inevitable, no. It is not the same if there were more health issues going on.

Listen, I'm not trying to get you to agree with me. You made a comment that was poking a little fun at people who interpreted her comments differently from you, and I pointed out that their view was not so farfetched based on her comments. It's quite possible that the illness was due to the pain meds because they can make you quite sick even if you're not addicted. I don't know what it was. I'm just saying that other opinions are just as valid as yours.

I will admit that I cannot see any evidence that he was murdered intentionally, a theory among some. I don't like to judge but I just don't see it.

Oh, do we know for a fact that doctors refused to give him pain meds for two years? We know that there was no prescription in the last year in MN, but this is the first I've heard of confirmation he was refused prescribed pain meds for two years.

phatphuk said:





Thank you for your reply, teach49.



My interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the one fact that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds.



With that indisputable fact as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds.



Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implications of that {in my interpretation} are...



  1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain

  2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids

  3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor

  4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted

  5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket

  6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved

  7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, "What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!"

  8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, "I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain."

  9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, "I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die..."

  10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to "Get Help!", were falling on deaf ears

  11. ...



So putting the sister's "I've known for two years" interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died.



Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire contextplus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later.



There is no way ! Prince did not have a relationship with Tyka at all...Period! She did not have this information!

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Reply #218 posted 11/07/16 6:08am

phatphuk



cryingdoves said:



teach49 said:



"…I understand the entire context and your interpretation is a valid one. All I'm saying is that a different viewpoint is just as valid. That's it. I am not disputing that he died from a fentanyl overdose. I am saying that her comments can be interpreted to mean that more was going on. She was clear that this has been going on for two years -- I think we can agree on that. As someone who has family members who are addicts -- two years is not long enough to be resigned to the loved one's death due to addiction. You have not lost hope in just two years. It takes much longer to realize -- even with serious drug overdoses -- that death is inevitable. Possible, yes; inevitable, no. It is not the same if there were more health issues going on…"



"…Listen, I'm not trying to get you to agree with me. You made a comment that was poking a little fun at people who interpreted her comments differently from you, and I pointed out that their view was not so farfetched based on her comments. It's quite possible that the illness was due to the pain meds because they can make you quite sick even if you're not addicted. I don't know what it was. I'm just saying that other opinions are just as valid as yours…"



"…I will admit that I cannot see any evidence that he was murdered intentionally, a theory among some. I don't like to judge but I just don't see it…"



"…Oh, do we know for a fact that doctors refused to give him pain meds for two years? We know that there was no prescription in the last year in MN, but this is the first I've heard of confirmation he was refused prescribed pain meds for two years…"



phatphuk said:



"…Thank you for your reply, teach49…"



"…My interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the one fact that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds…"



"…With that indisputable fact as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds…"



"…Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implications of that {in my interpretation} are…"



  1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain

  2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids

  3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor

  4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted

  5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket

  6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved

  7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, “What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!”

  8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, “I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain.”

  9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, “I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die…”

  10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to “Get Help!”, were falling on deaf ears



"…So putting the sister's “I've known for two years” interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died…"



Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire context — plus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later…"





"…There is no way ! Prince did not have a relationship with Tyka at all…Period! She did not have this information!…"







But yet you have information on the private details of Prince's familial relationships?



I gather you're privy to this private knowledge because you're Prince's — and/or his sister's — BFF and close confidant. Right?



How many Prince albums do you have to buy and listen to over and over a 9991000000 times, in order to earn such a "special" Prince Fan Club membership perk like that?



I Warsh Myself With A Rag On A Stick!

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Reply #219 posted 11/07/16 9:18am

LBrent

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said: -- If you read the docs that is how it appears. All of the publishing was transferred to the LLC. Prince is listed as an employee as a songwriter working for the LLC.

Crafty. And thoroughly planned. Two years ago, you say? Well, now, it seems it was around the same time Tyka felt crushed over something... Prince was taking care of business.

Yup. P was getting his ducks in a row and making sure his legacy was protected and his family taken care of and his final wishes implemented...all while still trying to do what he loved best, performing...plus, also trying to do as much "living" as he could right up until he could'nt anymore.

Damn...I miss that smart stubborn sexy lil man so much. I hope wherever he is now is exactly what he hoped for as an afterlife.

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Reply #220 posted 11/07/16 12:03pm

Lovejunky

LBrent said:

MMJas said:

Crafty. And thoroughly planned. Two years ago, you say? Well, now, it seems it was around the same time Tyka felt crushed over something... Prince was taking care of business.

Yup. P was getting his ducks in a row and making sure his legacy was protected and his family taken care of and his final wishes implemented...all while still trying to do what he loved best, performing...plus, also trying to do as much "living" as he could right up until he could'nt anymore.

Damn...I miss that smart stubborn sexy lil man so much. I hope wherever he is now is exactly what he hoped for as an afterlife.

confused sad

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