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Atatiana Jefferson shot through her window during "welfare check"


Starting off with what was posted in the the Botham John thread:

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Now a cop in Ft Worth (30 miles west of Dallas) shot and killed a woman, who was black, in her own home after the cops went into her house because a door was open!

There is some body cam footage that to me (as some one trained to do this stuff who has done this very thing several times) is bad for the cops... for one: they made no attempt to contact and I did not see any flashing lights from the police cars... no apparent call on the PA or anything... No Shouts of "Police." Just some people roaming the property (apparently opening a gait and going into a closed area) and shinning lights into the home and around the property.

From what I hear in the video, other than them whispering to each other... the only thing the cop said was "put your hands up, show me your hands" BANG... then the clip I saw shows the GUN?

Yeah so what? I might have had one out too... but I would have also called 911...

Again this is a crime... i would call it manslaughter... the cop was reckless. And he should have had it in mind that THEIR activity (Shinning lights and sneaking about) was what alerted the residents to fear for an intruder.

EDIT: found a link to the video: to me this is clearly a felony homicide as I said "Manslaughter" (I do not see murder as I do not see criminal intent)

**and this idea that cops should be given more leeway when it comes to shooting the wrong people is trash. They should have less! It is a dangerous job...but they have training and should not just rush to pull the trigger.


Yeah, a horrible and tragic incident. That cop messed up big time. He just resigned and is refusing to cooperate.....



Oh shoot, the cop just got arrested and charged with murder.

Rest in peace, Atatiana. mad rose


Taken from abcnews.go.com

https://abcnews.go.com/US/demand-justice-family-texas-woman-fatally-shot-home/story?id=66261203



Texas officer who fatally shot woman in her home arrested on murder charges


By BILL HUTCHINSON and MARCUS MOORE

Oct 14, 2019, 9:31 PM ET

Former Texas cop charged with murder for death of black woman

The police officer who fatally shot a Fort Worth, Texas, woman in her home while answering a call for a welfare check has been arrested on murder charges. The charge comes after the officer abruptly resigned on Monday just before he was about to be fired for allegedly violating multiple department policies, the police chief said.


The officer, identified earlier Monday as Aaron Dean, is being held without bond in Tarrant County, according to court records.


"I certainly have not been able to make sense of why she had to lose her life," Fort Worth Police Chief Ed Kraus said at a news conference prior to the arrest,



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Reply #1 posted 10/15/19 7:43am

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Atatiana graduated from Xavier University and still has many local connections. People are very upset about this here.

https://www.nola.com/news...42353.html


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The front door was open with only the screen door so her neighbor called the police to check on her. The police did not knock on the door. They went in back of the house with flashlights and Dean shot through the window, killing her. He did not identify himself as a police officer. There is a video.

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Reply #2 posted 10/15/19 7:49am

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Tragic situation. So he didn’t even wait to see if she was in the house, before he decided to shoot. Damn shame.
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Reply #3 posted 10/15/19 8:09am

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2elijah said:

Tragic situation. So he didn’t even wait to see if she was in the house, before he decided to shoot. Damn shame.

They did not even do a proper welfare check. Dean had no idea who he was shooting through a closed window. Saw part of a press conference with the Police Chief this morning. He said something like (parphrasing) - we have to train officers to be community servants instead of warriors - WTF?

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Reply #4 posted 10/15/19 8:25am

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2elijah said:


Tragic situation. So he didn’t even wait to see if she was in the house, before he decided to shoot. Damn shame.


They did not even do a proper welfare check. Dean had no idea who he was shooting through a closed window. Saw part of a press conference with the Police Chief this morning. He said something like (parphrasing) - we have to train officers to be community servants instead of warriors - WTF?


That’s crazy. What if a baby or older child was present? That was definitely poor judgement and training. On top of that, there was no one was shooting from he house. Glad he resigned, but hopes he gets convicted and serves a long prison sentence.
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Reply #5 posted 10/15/19 8:40am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

They did not even do a proper welfare check. Dean had no idea who he was shooting through a closed window. Saw part of a press conference with the Police Chief this morning. He said something like (parphrasing) - we have to train officers to be community servants instead of warriors - WTF?


That’s crazy. What if a baby or older child was present? That was definitely poor judgement and training. On top of that, there was no one was shooting from he house. Glad he resigned, but hopes he gets convicted and serves a long prison sentence.

Her 8 year old nephew was reported to be in the room also. She was babysitting him. The police confirmed that the call for the welfare check was made to the police department’s non-emergency number.

The cop was charged with murder so that is something. Yesterday they were floating that she had a gun in her house, possibly trying to muddy the waters - but Texas is an open carry state.

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Reply #6 posted 10/15/19 12:13pm

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poppys said:



2elijah said:


poppys said:


They did not even do a proper welfare check. Dean had no idea who he was shooting through a closed window. Saw part of a press conference with the Police Chief this morning. He said something like (parphrasing) - we have to train officers to be community servants instead of warriors - WTF?




That’s crazy. What if a baby or older child was present? That was definitely poor judgement and training. On top of that, there was no one was shooting from he house. Glad he resigned, but hopes he gets convicted and serves a long prison sentence.


Her 8 year old nephew was reported to be in the room also. She was babysitting him. The police confirmed that the call for the welfare check was made to the police department’s non-emergency number.

The cop was charged with murder so that is something. Yesterday they were floating that she had a gun in her house, possibly trying to muddy the waters - but Texas is an open carry state.


Thanks for the info. Tragic situation.
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2elijah said:

poppys said:

Her 8 year old nephew was reported to be in the room also. She was babysitting him. The police confirmed that the call for the welfare check was made to the police department’s non-emergency number.

The cop was charged with murder so that is something. Yesterday they were floating that she had a gun in her house, possibly trying to muddy the waters - but Texas is an open carry state.

Thanks for the info. Tragic situation.


This story is horrific. Imagine sitting in your own home, playing video games wiht your 8-yr old nephew. A neighbor sees your front door open and instead of calling you, calls a non-911 police number to have the police come and check it out to see if everything is OK. The cop shows up and shoots you dead through a window without IDig himself or even giving you ample time to raise your hands and comprehend what's going on.

It is frustrating and terribly heartbreaking. Aren't these cops vetted for COMMON SENSE?

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Reply #8 posted 10/15/19 3:07pm

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My biggest worry is fir the neighbor who called it in. How horrible he must feel.

Now to the cop. He's a disgrace--and everyone else out on that call too. At no point did they attempt to make their presence known. No emergency lights. No calling out "Police" not even ringing the doorbell. NOTHING.


They did nothing right.

And to suggest she may have had a gun? So what? She may have had a lot of things in her hand. So what? She was in her residence. (someone mentioned Texas being open carry: which is mostly true but that has nothing to do with it.. she was in her residence. She did not need permission to hold a gun and should not expect to be killed by a trigger happy cop.)

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Reply #9 posted 10/15/19 7:20pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


poppys said:


Her 8 year old nephew was reported to be in the room also. She was babysitting him. The police confirmed that the call for the welfare check was made to the police department’s non-emergency number.

The cop was charged with murder so that is something. Yesterday they were floating that she had a gun in her house, possibly trying to muddy the waters - but Texas is an open carry state.



Thanks for the info. Tragic situation.


This story is horrific. Imagine sitting in your own home, playing video games wiht your 8-yr old nephew. A neighbor sees your front door open and instead of calling you, calls a non-911 police number to have the police come and check it out to see if everything is OK. The cop shows up and shoots you dead through a window without IDig himself or even giving you ample time to raise your hands and comprehend what's going on.

It is frustrating and terribly heartbreaking. Aren't these cops vetted for COMMON SENSE?


Heartbreaking and traumatizing for her 8-yr old nephew and rest of her family.
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poppys said:

2elijah said:

That’s crazy. What if a baby or older child was present? That was definitely poor judgement and training. On top of that, there was no one was shooting from he house. Glad he resigned, but hopes he gets convicted and serves a long prison sentence.

Her 8 year old nephew was reported to be in the room also. She was babysitting him. The police confirmed that the call for the welfare check was made to the police department’s non-emergency number.

The cop was charged with murder so that is something. Yesterday they were floating that she had a gun in her house, possibly trying to muddy the waters - but Texas is an open carry state.


Apparently, now they are saying she had the gun in her hand when she was shot. From what they are reporting. She heard noises in her backyard, grabbed her gun out of her purse, walked by her window, and then was shot.

I'm sure for some people(not for me though), her having a gun in her hand(if true), puts a somewhat different take on this tragedy. It's obvious that the cop was poorly trained and F'd up really bad. And as a result, Atatiana is now dead. He is at fault. Now though, hopefully the officer will be held criminally accountable.


Sad situation. Atatiana had her whole life ahead of her. She was what, 28 years old? disbelief



Full article here
https://www.cnn.com/2019/...index.html

Taken from CNN.com


Nicole Chavez, CNN

Updated 6:50 PM ET, Tue October 15, 2019



Aaron Dean, a former Fort Worth police officer, was charged with murder after Jefferson was shot and killed through her window. He was arrested and released from jail within hours on Monday after posting a $200,000 bond.


Jim Lane, a Fort Worth attorney who is representing Dean, declined to comment on the case.


Here's what we learned from his arrest warrant:

Jefferson heard noises and pulled a gun from her purse



The 28-year-old woman was playing video games with her nephew in the back bedroom of the home when they heard noises coming from outside, the document says.




She then pulled her handgun from her purse, her nephew told police, and raised it. She was pointing it toward the window when she was shot and fell to the ground...

[Edited 10/16/19 14:46pm]

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^^ The reply quote is messed up.

I saw that today too Joey. She was allowed to be in her home pointing a gun at what she thought could be an intruder. Dean shot into her house through a closed window, hard to know what he saw, he hasn't said. In the video, the window looks dark with the flashlight beam moving around. But WHY WHY WHY didn't they knock on her front door?

There is a black female ex-cop from that area whose comments have been on some reports. She says she is afraid of getting stopped etc by law enforcement there. Sounds like there could be something rogue going on in that police department.

Dean is out on bail and has hired an attorney but has not spoken to investigators.

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I also feel badly for the neighbor who called, but didn't they say they hadn't actually seen anything, so why call the cops? Seems a little weird to me. If they're watching her house all day they can't go knock on the door?

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I feel so bad for her family.

The ex cop is not co operating. Imagine that....

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I feel so bad for her family.

The ex cop is not co operating. Imagine that....


Yeah it sucks. They look devastated. Her brother likened it to a drive by.

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poppys said:

I also feel badly for the neighbor who called, but didn't they say they hadn't actually seen anything, so why call the cops? Seems a little weird to me. If they're watching her house all day they can't go knock on the door?


Exactly.
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poppys said:

^^ The reply quote is messed up.

I saw that today too Joey. She was allowed to be in her home pointing a gun at what she thought could be an intruder. Dean shot into her house through a closed window, hard to know what he saw, he hasn't said. In the video, the window looks dark with the flashlight beam moving around. But WHY WHY WHY didn't they knock on her front door?

There is a black female ex-cop from that area whose comments have been on some reports. She says she is afraid of getting stopped etc by law enforcement there. Sounds like there could be something rogue going on in that police department.

Dean is out on bail and has hired an attorney but has not spoken to investigators.

The fact that she had a gun is no defence for the cop. I hope this doesn't end like the John Crawford III case. He was holding a toy gun that was for sale at that wal mart in a long gun open carry state and they did not make any attempt to make contact *HELLO A FRICKING PA: "Attention Wal Mart shoppers: PUT DOWN THE GUN!"

Add to that the cop entered into her CLOSED back yard.

No Emergency Lights! No use of PA system! No calling out identifying themselves as police... No knocking on the door.

So she had a GUN! That is by no means an excuse. (But it is odd that someone on the other shooting topic asked "what if he had a gun?" Well here we see... the freak out and shoot.


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I feel so bad for her family.

The ex cop is not co operating. Imagine that....

as he shouldn't... would you expect anyone to? Most people "lawyer up" (which I assume is like "shutting up") I suspect they may try to make a deal for Manslaughter *which this is as opposed to murder*

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poppys said:

^^ The reply quote is messed up.

I saw that today too Joey. She was allowed to be in her home pointing a gun at what she thought could be an intruder. Dean shot into her house through a closed window, hard to know what he saw, he hasn't said. In the video, the window looks dark with the flashlight beam moving around. But WHY WHY WHY didn't they knock on her front door?

There is a black female ex-cop from that area whose comments have been on some reports. She says she is afraid of getting stopped etc by law enforcement there. Sounds like there could be something rogue going on in that police department.

Dean is out on bail and has hired an attorney but has not spoken to investigators.


thumbs up! I think it's fixed.

But yeah, the whole situation is bizarre. Also, i think i saw that interview with the ex-cop. In the one i seen, basically she was saying that poor training leads to situations like what's happening now, and that it's systematic. One thing i will say is i don't know what kind of psych evaluations that are used when determining who's fit to be a cop, but they need to do a better job of it.. disbelief

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JoeyC said:

poppys said:

^^ The reply quote is messed up.

I saw that today too Joey. She was allowed to be in her home pointing a gun at what she thought could be an intruder. Dean shot into her house through a closed window, hard to know what he saw, he hasn't said. In the video, the window looks dark with the flashlight beam moving around. But WHY WHY WHY didn't they knock on her front door?

There is a black female ex-cop from that area whose comments have been on some reports. She says she is afraid of getting stopped etc by law enforcement there. Sounds like there could be something rogue going on in that police department.

Dean is out on bail and has hired an attorney but has not spoken to investigators.


thumbs up! I think it's fixed.

But yeah, the whole situation is bizarre. Also, i think i saw that interview with the ex-cop. In the one i seen, basically she was saying that poor training leads to situations like what's happening now, and that it's systematic. One thing i will say is i don't know what kind of psych evaluations that are used when determining who's fit to be a cop, but they need to do a better job of it.. disbelief

poor training? this is a very basic situation. First make your presence known! Make an attempt at contact... knock or ring the door bell! Use the speaker! Yell "Ft Worth Police Dept..." you do not sneak around all quite much less enter into ANY closed area... Without some cause.

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poppys said:

I also feel badly for the neighbor who called, but didn't they say they hadn't actually seen anything, so why call the cops? Seems a little weird to me. If they're watching her house all day they can't go knock on the door?




Hmmm...well, once I came home and saw my neighbor's door wide open and the lights were off... what's more, she was out of town and another neighbor was bringing in her mail etc. I called him and then we called the police who said NOT to go in the house - let the partolmen then send over do it. So the police came and of course it was a burglary.wink









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They have a great track record for arresting Mass shooters though.

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Graycap23 said:

They have a great track record for arresting Mass shooters though.


For real. These cops can arrest just about everyone, no matter how armed they might be. Except for unarmed black people. Then they somehow seem to forget their good training and turn into trigger happy bastards.
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