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Sorry, I meant your post #12 was not a 'general' post it was all in the 1st person . No one posting on THIS thread so far is upset with religious people. I do not consider myself an atheist. I've said repeatedly I was raised Anabaptist but did not join the church, that's all. My grandmother wore the prayer cap her entire life and read the Bible every single day. Her father was Amish but he married a non-Amish, so he had to leave the church. That does not make him an atheist either. They became Bretherns and were not shunned in their community, although some are. . I said that to reiterate that this thread is about how WE on the Org respond to religious discussion. . Who told anyone to delete their account? Where did that come from? why throw a monkey wrench in this? . The Org rules are loose enough but, do you follow the 'art of debate' in those political threads when you and others go after OnlyNDusa? are you guys following the org rules? The Org P&R forum does what it does since before you joined a few years ago. You have not been using the art form of debate. That doesn't apply here. . Back to what I was saying. How people tried to 'cover' Islam and attack Christianity, while saying they treat them equally in these discussions are not balanced. If what I re-posted in #13 was said about Islam we would have gotten the same reaction a few of you gave in the Islam thread. #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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I try to avoid religion threads, but I don't agree with your OP, so I'll try as best as I can to explain why. [Edited 9/14/19 0:04am] | |
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I think the comment on the otherness of others is interesting, especially in the devisive times we are currently in. What troubles me is the idea of rational explaining in order to persuade to, or from, religion (I completely agree that rational explaining has its place). I think people find, and lose, religion in different ways, at different ages, and may even convert to different religions over their lifetime. I think personal experience leads people to a particular religion, or non-religion, and no rational explaining will persuade that person to shift from their beliefs (obviously I'm generalising here). | |
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[Edited 9/14/19 7:05am] "if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all" | |
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I could care less what folks choose to believe - do whatever floats your boat. I only get nasty when religious folks tell me I'm lost or going to hell because I don't accept their book as historical or scientific fact, I was a believer long ago, but walked away once I studied history more and more. I don't regret my decision one bit. [Edited 9/14/19 8:33am] | |
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Well let it go, but your reply in the Islam thread about 'they are trying to single out Islam' and a few other comments you made, were covering. #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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I take the Bible Seriously but not literally. Best way to be. Eden is just the place we need to get back to because it was lost. All you others say Hell Yea!! ![]() | |
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. It is interesting comparing the two responses you made, one to a religious person, the other to a non-religious person. In the latter, you are "fascinated" and want to encourage acceptance, learning, and growth by mutual understanding of why people's beliefs are different. That it is a shame we all can't get along with the others. . In the reply to the religious person you justify mocking meme level arguments and justify them as being OK because you apply them to all religious people equally, not just one group. As you say, it is a shame how people treat the people that they consider to be others. . Now the Santa, Easter Bunney, and Tooth Fairy comparison is a poor argument because it presents adults as children - Not just religious people, but it presents atheists as children. It reduces the reasons why religious and non-religious people believe things to a highly inaccurate us and them - the kindergarten kids still believe in the tooth fairy, but we in primary school kids know so much better that them - but you are saying this to adults. Firstly, children don't realise there is no tooth fairy, they realise it is mum or dad doing it - it is not rocket science. It is the same with Santa and the Easter Bunny. This is a normal progression of cognitive development. . The assertion that atheists only believe in things that are "unequivocably provable to be real" is false. This is a latter phase of cognitive development but by no means a final phase. Children generally develop the skills start to apply empirical thought with its requirement for proof around the age many question or cease to believe in religions - 9 to 14 ish. The final stages of cognitive development involves the development of rational thought - Not to be rational, but to be able to rationalise with less or no unequivocal empirical evidence. This is key for theoretical physicist, the artist, the philosopher, the adult religious and all of us adults in many different areas. Not one of us is able to uneqivocably prove anything more than a small fraction of everything we personally believe. You need to learn a lot more about why people believe before you can state my people are logical and all you lot are not. | |
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It's not just believers and non-believers. Everyone who is not a believer is not an atheist, or has the need to define themselves religiously. There is an entire spectrum of people who are not religious, but agree with many of the teachings of religion from a moral standpoint. I don't have a desire to be part of an organized religion or church, some do. For example, cheating on a spouse/partner is wrong in my book, not because of the 10 Commandments, but because of what it does to both people and the trust that is broken. We still feel the same, we just got there different ways. "if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all" | |
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. Absolutely, and broad spectrum of beliefs applies to all the agnostics and religious as well. If you gave a percentage of certainty that there is a God from 0% to 100%, there is unlikely to be anyone whose beliefs have 0% or 100% certainty. | |
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I am really, really short of time so I'll quickly address the bold. | |
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. Thanks for this - And for me to reciprocate: I am sorry if it came across that I was questioning your cognitive development (even jokingly), I was referring to the basis behind the meme not any person. [Edited 9/15/19 0:11am] | |
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awwwhh thanks for the nod LOL Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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[Edited 9/16/19 4:16am] Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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. Wrong again - Firstly you are breaking the rules by cross posting from another thread. . I believe in God because of God. When I first read the Bible, I was an atheist and I remained an atheist for years afterward. It was not by reading the Bible that I became a Christian. We are called Christians not biblists because we are followers of Christ. Our faith is not in a set of books, we do not pray to a set of books. . You are just seeking a confirmational bias response to bolster your beliefs and, as ever, fooling only yourself. This is all you can expect when all you have to rely is internet memes and pictures to promote your faith. | |
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I believe in Odin because of Odin. I believe 9/11 was a inside job becasue 9/11 was an inside job. so to sum it up: you do not have a starting point Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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. To sum it up, my starting point is God, what is your's | |
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Flat Earth [Edited 9/16/19 7:36am] Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all" | |
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why do you have the authority to speak for those who believe? Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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What in the world did they think of Prince then... #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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Do you remember the thread a few years back where the orgmember told believers to pray while looking in the mirror next time and we will find that we are not really talking to God but to ourselves?
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Whilst BombSquad says you do not have the authority to speak for those who believe, I think it's fair to also say that he does not have the authority to speak for all atheists. Of course the vast, vast majority of believers are good people, the vast majority of non-believers are good people, and every shade of purple in between the two are majority good people. Bombsquad always writes provocative posts. He's not going to apologise, or change anytime soon. Don't let the posts rile you, just as I will not let any posts calling me amoral or a bad person rile me (not that I remember any like that). | |
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6 Kinds of Atheism https://prince.org/msg/105/399405?&pg=1
. . 46% Of Americans Believe Man Was Created By God 10,000 Years Ago Or Less https://prince.org/msg/105/382118?pr Hey! Only 46% of Americans believes in myths and fairy tales still! Not bad 46% is still scary. That's a lot of stupidity. Some dumb Mofo's walking around. What else is new? Don't you have schools in America? . "When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell.." https://prince.org/msg/105/341453 Atheism = the only rational, logical way. . Certainty without evidence is more like it. Just as schizophrenics believe in things that aren't visibly there and even communicate with said invisible beings, religous people tend to do/claim the same. I wrote a paper in college on parallels between schizophrenics and Christians, focusing on the facts not my own atheist-bias. People in my peer-review group were offended but nobody really disagreed with anything I wrote. I think it just made them uncomfortable. But my schizophrenic aunt exhibits many of the same behaviors as Christians. She just isn't socially accepted like Christians are.
. GOD: An extension of yourself or a Simulacrum? https://prince.org/msg/10...?&pg=1 . My own experience of deconversion was a long and drawn out process of coming to realise that what I was calling "God" was indistinguishable from simply an imaginary friend. . I'm British. People over here are nowhere near as religious as you guys in the States. When we see the role religion plays in public life over there it strikes us as strange. Same goes for your gun culture. I'm almost 40 now and I've never seen a gun in my life except on TV. To me my issue is with irrational, unreasonable thought in general. Religion is obviously the biggest example of that, but in truth you can see it everywhere. People deceive themselves and indulge in sophistry all the time without realizing it. If not for this flaw in the human psyche religion could not exist. .
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