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Improper Entry of immigrants and Trump

Trump has tweeted that next week ICE will begin to deport millions of illegal immigrants. This will not go well, and communities and the economy will be hurt by this.



Next week ICE will begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States. They will be removed as fast as they come in. Mexico, using their strong immigration laws, is doing a very good job of stopping people.......

....long before they get to our Southern Border. Guatemala is getting ready to sign a Safe-Third Agreement. The only ones who won’t do anything are the Democrats in Congress. They must vote to get rid of the loopholes, and fix asylum! If so, Border Crisis will end quickly!




Someone on twitter (link for thread reader app with the thread at bottom of page) wrote a thread telling what Americans can do to fight back against this. Trump (and Republicans) do not realize just how harmful this is going to be for the country and for the economy. They think all of these immigrants are here using resources and not giving anything back, but that isn't true. They do pay taxes (sales taxes, federal taxes, etc). Many of them work at menial jobs that Americans don't want to do, and right now unemployment is so low, that the jobs that Americans are willing to work at are having a hard time finding employees to fill the empty slots. There will be no one to work the jobs that some of these immigrants have worked, like working the fields in large farming communities, etc. If farmers don't have any one going around and picking apples, or working their crops, what will that do to the price of produce, and the availability of that produce.


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Further studies show that the importance of this population of workers will only grow in coming years. For example, in 2014, unauthorized immigrants made up 24 percent of maids and cleaners, an occupation expected to need 112,000 more workers by 2024. In construction, the number of additional laborers needed is estimated at close to 150,000. And while only 4 percent of personal care and home health aides are undocumented, the U.S. will soon require more than 800,000 people to fill the jobs necessary to take care of retiring baby boomers.

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work. More importantly, it is one the most dangerous occupations in the U.S.

A study commissioned by the dairy industry suggested that if federal labor and immigration policies reduced the number of foreign-born workers by 50 percent, more than 3,500 dairy farms would close, leading to a big drop in milk production and a spike in prices of about 30 percent. Total elimination of immigrant labor would increase milk prices by 90 percent.



https://www.cbsnews.com/n...ers-taxes/

Here is research on the costs and benefits of immigration: https://www.nap.edu/read/...apter/1#vi


Here is a related article that discusses how limited visas are under Trump, which means that many companies are relying more heavily on undocumented workers, because it's much more difficult to get workers here for the low paying jobs with Visas (remember Trump wanted to do away with the low paying workers with Visas and only bring in those he believed would advance America). https://publicintegrity.o...s-economy/

I believe things are going to begin to get a little bumpy, especially when the economy is hit hard by Trump's immigration policies and he will no longer be able to use his "the best economy ever" as fodder for his sheep.




Here is the thread reader app with the tweets from the thread telling what we can do to help.

https://threader.app/thre...8122173441

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Reply #1 posted 06/18/19 8:33am

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Here are some overarching NAS conclusions:

· “Importantly, immigration is integral to the nation’s economic growth. Immigration supplies workers who have helped the United States to avoid the problems facing stagnant economies created by unfavorable demographics—in particular, an aging (and, in the case of Japan, a shrinking) workforce.”

· “If the American economy grows and requires more workers both to replace those who retire and to create new firms and industries, the primary source of labor will be first and second-generational immigrants. This basic fact will hold at all levels, from low-skilled service jobs to professionals with postgraduate degrees.”

It’s also worth noting another substantial benefit Americans have been getting from undocumented immigrants: the substantial cash that the undocumented pay into Social Security—and will not get back.

Here’s a link to a Bipartisan Policy Center ... explainer with multiple links to source material, including data straight from the Internal Revenue Service.

“The IRS estimates that undocumented immigrants pay over $9 billion in withheld payroll taxes annually,” the report by the Washington, D.C.-based policy research group says. “Undocumented immigrants also help make the Social Security system more solvent, as they pay into the system but are ineligible to collect benefits upon retiring. In 2010, $12 billion more was collected from Social Security payroll taxes of undocumented workers than were paid out in benefits.”

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Well, his campaign took off when he infamously called immigrants murders and rapists.
A demographic heard the dog whistle and mobilized for him.
It only makes sense he will dig back into what has worked for him, especially with polls growing less and less optimistic about his re-election.
Expect for him to get more desperate and his behavior even more erratic than usual.
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Reply #3 posted 06/18/19 9:45am

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Well, his campaign took off when he infamously called immigrants murders and rapists. A demographic heard the dog whistle and mobilized for him. It only makes sense he will dig back into what has worked for him, especially with polls growing less and less optimistic about his re-election. Expect for him to get more desperate and his behavior even more erratic than usual.

Yep. I cant wait for that disgusting piece of trash vomit to be behind bars for the rest of his disgusting life.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #4 posted 06/18/19 11:00am

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The service industry percentage is probably higher than that graph. Back of House employees in restaurants are illegals for the most part, including skilled line cooks. Anthony Bourdain pointed this out many years ago.

How many immigrants from white people countries will we see in these raids?? My guess is it will all be Hispanics and People of Color rounded up on camera.

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Reply #5 posted 06/18/19 11:03am

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poppys said:

The service industry percentage is probably higher than that graph. Back of House employees in restaurants are illegals for the most part, including skilled line cooks. Anthony Bourdain pointed this out many years ago.

How many immigrants from white people countries will we see in these raids?? My guess is it will all be Hispanics and People of Color rounded up on camera.




Yep, it’s just a show of racism for the glee of his supporters.
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Reply #6 posted 06/18/19 12:33pm

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poppys said:

The service industry percentage is probably higher than that graph. Back of House employees in restaurants are illegals for the most part, including skilled line cooks. Anthony Bourdain pointed this out many years ago.

How many immigrants from white people countries will we see in these raids?? My guess is it will all be Hispanics and People of Color rounded up on camera.


Very little or close to zero. His target is mainly illegal, Latino immigrants and other immigrants of color. He would never start a complaint war specifically against white, illegal immigrants because they are not his targets or the ones he despises.
As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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2elijah said:

poppys said:

The service industry percentage is probably higher than that graph. Back of House employees in restaurants are illegals for the most part, including skilled line cooks. Anthony Bourdain pointed this out many years ago.

How many immigrants from white people countries will we see in these raids?? My guess is it will all be Hispanics and People of Color rounded up on camera.


Very little or close to zero. His target is mainly illegal, Latino immigrants and other immigrants of color. He would never start a complaint war specifically against white, illegal immigrants because they are not his targets or the ones he despises.


Exactly. His wives and in-laws surely got special treatment/consideration let’s not kid ourselves. Legal or not. And we are talking about natives to this continent who have lives here all their lives and ancestors were wipe out via diseases and violence “legally”
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

2elijah said:


Very little or close to zero. His target is mainly illegal, Latino immigrants and other immigrants of color. He would never start a complaint war specifically against white, illegal immigrants because they are not his targets or the ones he despises.


Exactly. His wives and in-laws surely got special treatment/consideration let’s not kid ourselves. Legal or not. And we are talking about natives to this continent who have lives here all their lives and ancestors were wipe out via diseases and violence “legally”


Please say that.....again. clapping

Trump has intentional, historic amnesia.
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Reply #9 posted 06/18/19 2:25pm

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

The service industry percentage is probably higher than that graph. Back of House employees in restaurants are illegals for the most part, including skilled line cooks. Anthony Bourdain pointed this out many years ago.

How many immigrants from white people countries will we see in these raids?? My guess is it will all be Hispanics and People of Color rounded up on camera.

Very little or close to zero. His target is mainly illegal, Latino immigrants and other immigrants of color. He would never start a complaint war specifically against white, illegal immigrants because they are not his targets or the ones he despises.



Those are the immigrants that are here illegally in the greatest numbers. If there were white immigrants from places like Canada, Europe or Scandinavia that were coming illegally in the numbers that Hispanic immigrants were, I'm sure they'd be part of this dragnet too, but folks from those areas of the world tend to stay there. Same with Asians. But those folks would all have to cross an ocean to get here and that's a much bigger expense/gamble than coming up by land.

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Reply #10 posted 06/18/19 2:38pm

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40% of undocumented immigrants come here by plane. There were plenty of Irish ad UK illegals in NY when I lived there. I knew quite a few from work. Also in the USVI. There are lots of undocumented Asians in NY too.

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Reply #11 posted 06/18/19 2:52pm

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Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.

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Reply #12 posted 06/18/19 3:19pm

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Since many of the immigrants coming up from our southern neighborr are here seeking asylum or as refugees from their nations, I thought it would be interesting to look at the number of refugee seekers to the US to see where the largest population is coming from. Y'all agree it's the southern hispanic nation, correct?

Except that it's not.





Asylum seeker

An asylum seeker is an individual who is seeking international protection. In countries with individualised procedures, an asylum seeker is someone whose claim has not yet been finally decided on by the country in which he or she has submitted it. Not every asylum seeker will ultimately be recognised as a refugee, but every refugee is initially an asylum seeker.

Refugee

A refugee is a person who has fled their country of origin and is unable or unwilling to return because of a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.


Main Source Countries/Regions of Immigrant Population

As of 2015, South or East Asia was the single largest source region (26.9 percent) followed by Mexico (26.8 percent). Other regions accounting for significant shares were Europe and Canada (13.5 percent), the Caribbean (9.6 percent), Central America (7.9 percent), South America (6.7 percent), the Middle East (4 percent) and sub-Saharan Africa (3.9 percent).


Main Source Countries/Regions of Immigrants
Fiscal YearSouth or East AsiaMexicoEurope and CanadaCaribbeanCentral AmericaSouth AmericaMiddle EastSub-Saharan Africa
1960 338,328 575,902 8,208,811 193,922 48,949 89,536 141,013 13,696
1970 573,102 759,711 6,553,312 675,108 113,913 255,238 194,719 47,747
1980 2,258,351 2,199,221 5,992,431 1,258,363 353,892 561,011 324,850 129,946
1990 4,578,724 4,298,014 5,095,233 1,938,348 1,133,978 1,037,497 466,626 264,775
2000 7,528,999 9,177,487 5,736,328 2,953,066 2,026,150 1,930,271 771,999 690,809
2010 10,336,238 11,711,103 5,616,086 3,730,644 3,052,509 2,729,831 1,041,970 1,326,634
2015 12,112,272 11,643,298 5,620,290 4,165,453 3,384,629 2,918,029 1,274,241 1,716,425

Source: Migration Policy Institute

Graphic showing main countries/regions of immigrants

Source: Migration Policy Institute

People Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status
CategoryFY 2017
Family and Immediate Relatives 748,746

Employment

137,855
Refugees and Asylees 146,003
Diversity and Other 94,563

Total Visas Issued

1,127,167

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AMERICA1ST said:

Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.



I've provided sources to back up what I have stated, please provide sources to back up your claims. Otherwise, it is just Trumpism talking points.

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benni said:

Since many of the immigrants coming up from our southern neighborr are here seeking asylum or as refugees from their nations, I thought it would be interesting to look at the number of refugee seekers to the US to see where the largest population is coming from. Y'all agree it's the southern hispanic nation, correct?

Except that it's not.



That's a different story though. We're talking about actual illegals, not folks that are coming here for asylum or as refugees. Interesting stats though, thanks for posting that.

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poppys said:

40% of undocumented immigrants come here by plane. There were plenty of Irish ad UK illegals in NY when I lived there. I knew quite a few from work. Also in the USVI. There are lots of undocumented Asians in NY too.


Do you have a source for that, I'd be interested in reading it.

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Reply #16 posted 06/18/19 3:48pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.



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guitarslinger44 said:

benni said:

Since many of the immigrants coming up from our southern neighborr are here seeking asylum or as refugees from their nations, I thought it would be interesting to look at the number of refugee seekers to the US to see where the largest population is coming from. Y'all agree it's the southern hispanic nation, correct?

Except that it's not.



That's a different story though. We're talking about actual illegals, not folks that are coming here for asylum or as refugees. Interesting stats though, thanks for posting that.


The majority of those that are crossing the border illegally are seeking asylum.

Mexican immigration officials block asylum seekers from approaching U.S. border posts.

Even when asylum seekers try to approach U.S. ports of entry, Mexican officers turn some away by physically blocking their access. Observers documented Mexican officers blocking asylum seekers’ access to ports of entry on the Hidalgo-Reynosa bridge, at the San Ysidro port of entry, and forcibly removing them from the Brownsville-Matamoros bridge. Reports indicate that these actions have been taken at the request of CBP officers. This practice places Mexican asylum seekers at particular risk, as their persecutors operate in the country that they are physically prevented from fleeing.

Customs and Border Protection officers “turn back” asylum seekers at ports of entry.

CBP officers turn back asylum seekers by outright refusal or by telling them to come back another day. In 2017, Human Rights First and other organizations documentednumerous examples of illegal turn-backs at multiple crossing points, including the California-Mexico San Ysidro port of entry and Texas-Mexico ports of entry (Hidalgo-Reynosa, Brownsville-Matamoros, Roma-Ciudad Miguel Aleman, Progreso-Nuevo Progreso, Laredo, Paso del Norte, and Stanton Street). The Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA) similarly documents turn backs by U.S. officials on the Mexico side of the Arizona Nogales port of entry, and the Texas ACLU’s Border Rights Center reportsthat CBP officers turn away asylum seekers throughout Texas.

Processing slow-downs increase dangers and crossings between ports.

CBP officials have restricted the number of asylum seekers processed at ports of entry daily, forcing asylum seekers to wait for extended periods in dangerous and difficult conditions or to cross the border between ports. Border officials claim they restrict the numbers of asylum seekers processed because of capacity issues, but reports show that CBP processing rooms are not full and that there is an orchestrated effort to reduce asylum processing. This month WOLA reported that CBP has “notably slowed” its processing of asylum seekers at ports of entry. Each month since June, CBP has processed only four thousand individuals at ports of entry, down from six thousand in prior months.

These slow-downs create bottlenecks and long waits in Mexico. At San Luis, Nogales, and Calexico, CBP officers let in one to three families per day while asylum seekers wait three to six weeks for processing through the port of entry. In Ciudad Juarez, San Luis, and Nogales, parents and children have been forced to sleep on the concrete sidewalks outside the ports of entry for weeks. Access to medical care is nonexistent, and families struggle to find places where they can bathe or even use a restroom. Even those who can find shelter often go hungry and become sick due to poor conditions, with children facing particular risks of illness.

In September 2018, the Office of Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) stated that limiting the number of people allowed to seek asylum at ports of entry leads some “who would otherwise seek legal entry into the United States to cross the border illegally.”

Dangers in Mexico and along the borders.

Some asylum seekers face acute risks in Mexico, including murder, shootings, rape, kidnappings, and human trafficking. In Reynosa, Mexico, adjacent to the Hidalgo port of entry in Texas, there is “continuous shooting throughout the city,” as cartel groups, gangs, and the Mexican military engage in violent clashes. The former target asylum seekers for kidnapping and ransom. Between 2011 and 2018, over one thousand migrants were kidnapped in Tamaulipas, Mexico—the state where Reynosa is located. Ciudad Juarez, which borders El Paso, is also notoriously dangerous due to violence and conflict between the cartels. Many asylum seekers face grave risks in these dangerous border towns, and some cross between ports of entry due to these dangers, particularly as great distances separate some ports of entry.

Lack of information, misinformation, and avoiding dangers.

Many people fleeing violence and persecution lack accurate information about how to seek refuge in the United States and may only hear rumors and misinformation from smugglers and other migrants they encounter along their route. One asylum seeker explained to Human Rights First that he thought his only option for entering the United States was to cross between ports of entry because other migrants told him that authorities from both governments would turn him away. In August 2018, the Texas Tribune interviewed more than a dozen asylum seekers who crossed the Rio Grande and turned themselves into CBP seeking refuge. Of this group, only two heard that asylum seekers could request protection at official crossing points. Due to difficulties and dangers traveling through Central America and Mexico, some asylum seekers turn to smugglers. With the deadly cartels controlling areas around many ports of entry, smugglers transport asylum seekers to remote locations and direct them to cross, as WOLA reports.

Asylum seekers should not be refused protection because of the many hurdles placed in their path to safety. In fact, U.S. law and international treaty commitments guarantee refugees an avenue to seek asylum regardless of how they entered the country.​

And here is a fact that is conveniently forgotten when Republicans discuss illegal immigration and asylum:


Fact: Under current law, immigrants are allowed to make a claim for asylum anywhere in the U.S., no matter how they entered.

And the Trump administration would be in violation of international asylum law as well if Trump blocks asylum seekers who have crossed between ports of entry, said Scott Anderson, a David M. Rubenstein fellow in governance studies at The Brookings Institution.

"U.S. treaty obligations require the United States to extend asylum to individuals who qualify as refugees if they are found in the United States or at any U.S. border, regardless of whether they arrived there legally or not," said Anderson. "The same treaties also prohibit the United States from expelling qualified individuals or returning them to their country of origin absent certain extraordinary circumstances."

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AMERICA1ST said:

Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.

Can you provide viable sources for this so-called truth?

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America1st are you an alter account? Just asking...
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

America1st are you an alter account? Just asking...


That was my first thought, too.

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benni said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

America1st are you an alter account? Just asking...


That was my first thought, too.



And mine....

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DiminutiveRocker said:



benni said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:


America1st are you an alter account? Just asking...


That was my first thought, too.





And mine....



I mean it’s a provocative singularly Pro-Turd user name for a Prince music fan site. lol
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AMERICA1ST said:

Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.



Exactly, what jobs are illegal immigrants taking that African Americans rely on? So you think all African-Americans rely on a specific, line of work? I find your generalization laughable.

Secondly, if employers wanted to hire African Americans for whatever jobs you think AA’s rely on, don't you think those employers would hire them? You’re not making any sense.
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Reply #24 posted 06/18/19 5:28pm

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poppys said:

40% of undocumented immigrants come here by plane. There were plenty of Irish ad UK illegals in NY when I lived there. I knew quite a few from work. Also in the USVI. There are lots of undocumented Asians in NY too.


Do you have a source for that, I'd be interested in reading it.


This article has a lot of good info.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

In each year from 2007 to 2014, more people joined the ranks of the illegal by remaining in the United States after their temporary visitor permits expired than by creeping across the Mexican border, according to a
report by researchers at ...on Studies


https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/

The key research on "overstays" -- the working term for this group of unauthorized immigrants Ramos had in mind -- was undertaken in 1997 by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS estimated that overstays accounted for 41 percent of the undocumented.

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Reply #25 posted 06/18/19 5:42pm

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/nyregion/undocumented-immigrants-drivers-licenses-ny.html

Driver’s Licenses for the Undocumented Are Approved in Win for Progressives

The vote in the New York Legislature came after the issue had splintered Democrats, with suburban moderates objecting.


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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



And mine....

I mean it’s a provocative singularly Pro-Turd user name for a Prince music fan site. lol [Edited 6/18/19 17:24pm]


I can think of a few other ones whistling

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DiminutiveRocker said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


DiminutiveRocker said:




And mine....



I mean it’s a provocative singularly Pro-Turd user name for a Prince music fan site. lol [Edited 6/18/19 17:24pm]


I can think of a few other ones whistling



Oh I think we are all thinking the same things. lol
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Reply #28 posted 06/19/19 8:04am

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Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.

This whole fucked up criminal administration is not held to the law, so that blows your whole argument. Back to the drawing board.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #29 posted 06/19/19 8:05am

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AMERICA1ST said:

Illegal immigrants are illegal, They should not be given special rights to circumvent the law. Americans are held to the law so anyone coming here should be held to the law. Its that sipe. Illegal immigrants labot surpress wages for real Americans. They do take jobsd that Americans - specificallt African Ameicans - rely on. They flood public schools with the unvaccinated children who dont speak English. They overcorwd working class neighborhoods - again, mostly black communties - with mutliple families in a single family home. Many times they get governemtn funds intended to help AMericans buy homes. They do get welfare, food stamps, and helathcare - often in greater amounts than needy Americans. They do get money for education and in-state tuition they Americans from out of state cannot get. That is just some of the truth and the media is doing Americans a true disservice through liberal bias and fake news.

THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY. THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY. bawl bawl bawl bawl

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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