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Reply #300 posted 05/21/19 4:17pm

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at what point is the fetus its own body? 20 weeks? 25? 30?

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Reply #301 posted 05/21/19 6:20pm

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The tug of war is the problem. Both people should think about that. Why go through having an abortion if you can avoid it. Why go through going on Jerry Springer or having to have a dna test to see if your the father and deal with paying child support when neither of them have money.

I don't understand peoples need to trust someone else with their body that results in decisions that are life changing. There are people that are still spreading STD's 'hoping' the other person doesn't have anything. 'Hoping' the other person is 'safe' 'on the pill' 'brought condoms' 'will pull out in time' etc


If both persons individual take 100% full responsibility for not bringing unwanted children into the world, this all stops. I think people actually like this Pro-C vs Pro-L war.

No, the taking away the rights of a woman to choose is the problem.


I for one am not saying that abortion is right or wrong. Taking away the rights of the woman to choose is what is wrong.


The problem with your analogy is if a woman gets pregnant, she has to carry the baby, have the baby, and raise the baby, while a man can just walk away. It's not always 50/50 Women are going to be forced to have a child, men are not.


A woman can't even make the choice to have an abortion, what if the baby is so badly deformed that the baby won't be able to live a week out of the womb? If a person knows that before hand then she has the choice to have the baby or not. What if an 11 year old girl was raped, she nor her family could request an abortion.


Is anyone even thinking of the emotional toll on a woman to carry a baby for 9 months that she doesn't want, but has to have?


And what happened to separation of Church & State? These lawmakers weren't elected to do what they want to do they were elected to do what the people want them to do. Just because it may go against their religion, doesn't mean that it is against the law or should be against the law or that all women have religion.


This is BS that they are doing this, Roe V Wade should stand and still stands, no matter what these states sign into their law, R V W is the law of the land.........for now.

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Reply #302 posted 05/21/19 7:36pm

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The tug of war is the problem. Both people should think about that. Why go through having an abortion if you can avoid it. Why go through going on Jerry Springer or having to have a dna test to see if your the father and deal with paying child support when neither of them have money.

I don't understand peoples need to trust someone else with their body that results in decisions that are life changing. There are people that are still spreading STD's 'hoping' the other person doesn't have anything. 'Hoping' the other person is 'safe' 'on the pill' 'brought condoms' 'will pull out in time' etc


If both persons individual take 100% full responsibility for not bringing unwanted children into the world, this all stops. I think people actually like this Pro-C vs Pro-L war.

No, the taking away the rights of a woman to choose is the problem.


I for one am not saying that abortion is right or wrong. Taking away the rights of the woman to choose is what is wrong.


The problem with your analogy is if a woman gets pregnant, she has to carry the baby, have the baby, and raise the baby, while a man can just walk away. It's not always 50/50 Women are going to be forced to have a child, men are not.


A woman can't even make the choice to have an abortion, what if the baby is so badly deformed that the baby won't be able to live a week out of the womb? If a person knows that before hand then she has the choice to have the baby or not. What if an 11 year old girl was raped, she nor her family could request an abortion.


Is anyone even thinking of the emotional toll on a woman to carry a baby for 9 months that she doesn't want, but has to have?


And what happened to separation of Church & State? These lawmakers weren't elected to do what they want to do they were elected to do what the people want them to do. Just because it may go against their religion, doesn't mean that it is against the law or should be against the law or that all women have religion.


This is BS that they are doing this, Roe V Wade should stand and still stands, no matter what these states sign into their law, R V W is the law of the land.........for now.

Spot on.

I am all for personal responsibility - but where is our societal responsibility when these unwanted children go "into the system" into sometimes several foster homes and may never be adopted? The Right wants these babies to be born but they do not want to take care of them once they are in the world

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Reply #303 posted 05/21/19 9:32pm

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PennyPurple said:

No, the taking away the rights of a woman to choose is the problem.


I for one am not saying that abortion is right or wrong. Taking away the rights of the woman to choose is what is wrong.


The problem with your analogy is if a woman gets pregnant, she has to carry the baby, have the baby, and raise the baby, while a man can just walk away. It's not always 50/50 Women are going to be forced to have a child, men are not.


A woman can't even make the choice to have an abortion, what if the baby is so badly deformed that the baby won't be able to live a week out of the womb? If a person knows that before hand then she has the choice to have the baby or not. What if an 11 year old girl was raped, she nor her family could request an abortion.


Is anyone even thinking of the emotional toll on a woman to carry a baby for 9 months that she doesn't want, but has to have?


And what happened to separation of Church & State? These lawmakers weren't elected to do what they want to do they were elected to do what the people want them to do. Just because it may go against their religion, doesn't mean that it is against the law or should be against the law or that all women have religion.


This is BS that they are doing this, Roe V Wade should stand and still stands, no matter what these states sign into their law, R V W is the law of the land.........for now.

Spot on.

I am all for personal responsibility - but where is our societal responsibility when these unwanted children go "into the system" into sometimes several foster homes and may never be adopted? The Right wants these babies to be born but they do not want to take care of them once they are in the world

But you know what, States like Missouri will not expand it's medicaid program, nor will it expand it's food stamp program. So women are going to be forced to have children and can't get help then.


My daughter is a teacher and they do have a free lunch program, which includes breakfast, but not in the summer when there is no school. During the school year some kids are sent home with a bag of food for the weekends, canned food and canned fruit. etc. It's a sad situation. Also parents can't afford school supplies so my daughter has to buy them for the kids who have none. Every year for her Birthday and for Christmas I get her a basket full of school supplies. Out of a class of 27 kids I bet only 10 kids bring in their own supplies.

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Reply #304 posted 05/21/19 9:49pm

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Reply #305 posted 05/21/19 9:53pm

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Spot on.

I am all for personal responsibility - but where is our societal responsibility when these unwanted children go "into the system" into sometimes several foster homes and may never be adopted? The Right wants these babies to be born but they do not want to take care of them once they are in the world

But you know what, States like Missouri will not expand it's medicaid program, nor will it expand it's food stamp program. So women are going to be forced to have children and can't get help then.


My daughter is a teacher and they do have a free lunch program, which includes breakfast, but not in the summer when there is no school. During the school year some kids are sent home with a bag of food for the weekends, canned food and canned fruit. etc. It's a sad situation. Also parents can't afford school supplies so my daughter has to buy them for the kids who have none. Every year for her Birthday and for Christmas I get her a basket full of school supplies. Out of a class of 27 kids I bet only 10 kids bring in their own supplies.


I grew up in Missouri, went to elementary, Jr. High, and High School in Missouri, got my bachelor's degree there. When I was in kindergarten and 1st grade, I lived in St. Louis, and I remember that there used to be a program close to the school that allowed the kids to get an afterschool meal, as well as a meal during the summer months. I don't know if it was tied into the school system (was too young to really understand) but I, for some reason, want to believe that it was. I remember getting the meals a few times after school, because their hamburgers were good!

They do have the free lunches and breakfast meals, but when my oldest was going to school, they didn't send food home with them.

I will say that back then (in the late 80s, early 90s) I was getting welfare, food stamps and AFDC. We'd get about $380 a month in food stamps and $274 a month in AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children). We ate fairly well, but my rent was $250 a month. What I would do sometimes with the food stamps is use the change to buy hygiene products, cleaning products, etc. Then they changed to the EBT card and we couldn't get change anymore, and I suddenly didn't have a way to buy those things any more. My grandmother had to help pay my electric bill each month because the $24 left over really didn't cover anything else. I wouldn't have made it without my grandma and my rent at the time was very cheap. After they went to the EBT cards, I remember crying myself to sleep at night because my son asked for a quarter for the bubble gum machine, and I didn't have a quarter to give to him. I could get him cupcakes as a treat with the food stamps, but you know, kids sometimes just want to be able to put that quarter in a machine and get a piece of bubble gum. I was in and out of the hospitals all the time back then, so I couldn't work. I never want to get back to that place again. And anyone that ever dares to try to tell me that people want to live that way, can take a flying leap off the highest cliff, because no one wants to live like that.

The doctors finally convinced me to apply for disability, which I did, and I did eventually get that in '96, but I wasn't content to remain on that and when I got my Master's degree I was able to get off it because I found a job I could do that let me control my work environment with my health. I set my own schedule, work from home quite a bit, unless I have to go out to do visits. If I want to work 3 hours that day, because I'm not feeling well, I can. If I want to work a whole day, I can.

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Reply #306 posted 05/21/19 10:14pm

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Hugs Benni!

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

But you know what, States like Missouri will not expand it's medicaid program, nor will it expand it's food stamp program. So women are going to be forced to have children and can't get help then.


My daughter is a teacher and they do have a free lunch program, which includes breakfast, but not in the summer when there is no school. During the school year some kids are sent home with a bag of food for the weekends, canned food and canned fruit. etc. It's a sad situation. Also parents can't afford school supplies so my daughter has to buy them for the kids who have none. Every year for her Birthday and for Christmas I get her a basket full of school supplies. Out of a class of 27 kids I bet only 10 kids bring in their own supplies.


I grew up in Missouri, went to elementary, Jr. High, and High School in Missouri, got my bachelor's degree there. When I was in kindergarten and 1st grade, I lived in St. Louis, and I remember that there used to be a program close to the school that allowed the kids to get an afterschool meal, as well as a meal during the summer months. I don't know if it was tied into the school system (was too young to really understand) but I, for some reason, want to believe that it was. I remember getting the meals a few times after school, because their hamburgers were good!

They do have the free lunches and breakfast meals, but when my oldest was going to school, they didn't send food home with them.

I will say that back then (in the late 80s, early 90s) I was getting welfare, food stamps and AFDC. We'd get about $380 a month in food stamps and $274 a month in AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children). We ate fairly well, but my rent was $250 a month. What I would do sometimes with the food stamps is use the change to buy hygiene products, cleaning products, etc. Then they changed to the EBT card and we couldn't get change anymore, and I suddenly didn't have a way to buy those things any more. My grandmother had to help pay my electric bill each month because the $24 left over really didn't cover anything else. I wouldn't have made it without my grandma and my rent at the time was very cheap. After they went to the EBT cards, I remember crying myself to sleep at night because my son asked for a quarter for the bubble gum machine, and I didn't have a quarter to give to him. I could get him cupcakes as a treat with the food stamps, but you know, kids sometimes just want to be able to put that quarter in a machine and get a piece of bubble gum. I was in and out of the hospitals all the time back then, so I couldn't work. I never want to get back to that place again. And anyone that ever dares to try to tell me that people want to live that way, can take a flying leap off the highest cliff, because no one wants to live like that.

The doctors finally convinced me to apply for disability, which I did, and I did eventually get that in '96, but I wasn't content to remain on that and when I got my Master's degree I was able to get off it because I found a job I could do that let me control my work environment with my health. I set my own schedule, work from home quite a bit, unless I have to go out to do visits. If I want to work 3 hours that day, because I'm not feeling well, I can. If I want to work a whole day, I can.

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Reply #307 posted 05/21/19 10:23pm

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PennyPurple said:

Hugs Benni!

benni said:


I grew up in Missouri, went to elementary, Jr. High, and High School in Missouri, got my bachelor's degree there. When I was in kindergarten and 1st grade, I lived in St. Louis, and I remember that there used to be a program close to the school that allowed the kids to get an afterschool meal, as well as a meal during the summer months. I don't know if it was tied into the school system (was too young to really understand) but I, for some reason, want to believe that it was. I remember getting the meals a few times after school, because their hamburgers were good!

They do have the free lunches and breakfast meals, but when my oldest was going to school, they didn't send food home with them.

I will say that back then (in the late 80s, early 90s) I was getting welfare, food stamps and AFDC. We'd get about $380 a month in food stamps and $274 a month in AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children). We ate fairly well, but my rent was $250 a month. What I would do sometimes with the food stamps is use the change to buy hygiene products, cleaning products, etc. Then they changed to the EBT card and we couldn't get change anymore, and I suddenly didn't have a way to buy those things any more. My grandmother had to help pay my electric bill each month because the $24 left over really didn't cover anything else. I wouldn't have made it without my grandma and my rent at the time was very cheap. After they went to the EBT cards, I remember crying myself to sleep at night because my son asked for a quarter for the bubble gum machine, and I didn't have a quarter to give to him. I could get him cupcakes as a treat with the food stamps, but you know, kids sometimes just want to be able to put that quarter in a machine and get a piece of bubble gum. I was in and out of the hospitals all the time back then, so I couldn't work. I never want to get back to that place again. And anyone that ever dares to try to tell me that people want to live that way, can take a flying leap off the highest cliff, because no one wants to live like that.

The doctors finally convinced me to apply for disability, which I did, and I did eventually get that in '96, but I wasn't content to remain on that and when I got my Master's degree I was able to get off it because I found a job I could do that let me control my work environment with my health. I set my own schedule, work from home quite a bit, unless I have to go out to do visits. If I want to work 3 hours that day, because I'm not feeling well, I can. If I want to work a whole day, I can.



Aww, thanks, Penny. It's late and I just realized I didn't finish my thought. The poor women that are being told that they do not have the right to choose, and will have to raise these babies, it's not going to be easy for them, at all. It's a damn struggle when you have to live that way, and adding another person to that mix, makes it even more difficult. I only had one child, and I struggled tremendously. I couldn't have handled another one on top of that.

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Reply #308 posted 05/21/19 10:57pm

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BombSquad said:

TweetyV6 said:


Hey Dumbsquad,
Again you prove that your reading skills aren't quite up to speed....

I was talking about pro-lifers. It's not just a handfull of people.
The ideas of these people, no wait, RETARDS is put into legislation. And the pro lifers come in any flavour and color.
Religious idiocy isn't just old white men.

LMFAO again you prove that your posting skills are sub-par at best


if your post was about pro lifers in general then....



...THEN DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD LOL

IN A THREAD ABOUT THE ALABAMA SENATE PASSING THE ABORTION BILL
(geez, the thread title could have given you some hint maybe... oh well LOL)

AND PENNYPURPLE'S POST WHICH YOU REPLIED TO WAS ALSO ABOUT THAT BILL AND THE WHITE OLD FUCKS THAT PASSED IT. DUH!

BUT THEN YOU SUDDENLY THREW A CURVEBALL AND POST ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, PLACE A GENERAL RANT, THAT CAME TO YOUR CONFUSED MIND. AND YOU POST OFF TOPIC AND GET ALL RILED UP CAUSE FOLKS DO NOT WANT TO FOLLOW YOUR FLIP FLOP DISCONCERTED TALKING POINTS

START YOUR OWN FUCKING THREAD IF YOU CAN'T STAY ON TOPIC



JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!


[Edited 5/20/19 3:08am]


Dumbsquad, Dumbsquad.....

Where do you think the legislation finds its origin? Who pushes it to the agenda?

Bright people look at the root cause, Dumbsquads only focus on symptoms.

The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification - Thomas Henry Huxley
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Reply #309 posted 05/22/19 3:06am

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^^ nice'n all

gret idea! do that. but do it where it fits.


cause again, this thread is about the passing of the bill. still you could make your bright insightful observations in this thread, that's fine


but you replied to a specific post, which was about the passing of the bill by old white men

Duh!

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #310 posted 05/22/19 3:57am

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benni said:



PennyPurple said:




DiminutiveRocker said:

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Spot on.

I am all for personal responsibility - but where is our societal responsibility when these unwanted children go "into the system" into sometimes several foster homes and may never be adopted? The Right wants these babies to be born but they do not want to take care of them once they are in the world



But you know what, States like Missouri will not expand it's medicaid program, nor will it expand it's food stamp program. So women are going to be forced to have children and can't get help then.



My daughter is a teacher and they do have a free lunch program, which includes breakfast, but not in the summer when there is no school. During the school year some kids are sent home with a bag of food for the weekends, canned food and canned fruit. etc. It's a sad situation. Also parents can't afford school supplies so my daughter has to buy them for the kids who have none. Every year for her Birthday and for Christmas I get her a basket full of school supplies. Out of a class of 27 kids I bet only 10 kids bring in their own supplies.




I grew up in Missouri, went to elementary, Jr. High, and High School in Missouri, got my bachelor's degree there. When I was in kindergarten and 1st grade, I lived in St. Louis, and I remember that there used to be a program close to the school that allowed the kids to get an afterschool meal, as well as a meal during the summer months. I don't know if it was tied into the school system (was too young to really understand) but I, for some reason, want to believe that it was. I remember getting the meals a few times after school, because their hamburgers were good!

They do have the free lunches and breakfast meals, but when my oldest was going to school, they didn't send food home with them.

I will say that back then (in the late 80s, early 90s) I was getting welfare, food stamps and AFDC. We'd get about $380 a month in food stamps and $274 a month in AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children). We ate fairly well, but my rent was $250 a month. What I would do sometimes with the food stamps is use the change to buy hygiene products, cleaning products, etc. Then they changed to the EBT card and we couldn't get change anymore, and I suddenly didn't have a way to buy those things any more. My grandmother had to help pay my electric bill each month because the $24 left over really didn't cover anything else. I wouldn't have made it without my grandma and my rent at the time was very cheap. After they went to the EBT cards, I remember crying myself to sleep at night because my son asked for a quarter for the bubble gum machine, and I didn't have a quarter to give to him. I could get him cupcakes as a treat with the food stamps, but you know, kids sometimes just want to be able to put that quarter in a machine and get a piece of bubble gum. I was in and out of the hospitals all the time back then, so I couldn't work. I never want to get back to that place again. And anyone that ever dares to try to tell me that people want to live that way, can take a flying leap off the highest cliff, because no one wants to live like that.

The doctors finally convinced me to apply for disability, which I did, and I did eventually get that in '96, but I wasn't content to remain on that and when I got my Master's degree I was able to get off it because I found a job I could do that let me control my work environment with my health. I set my own schedule, work from home quite a bit, unless I have to go out to do visits. If I want to work 3 hours that day, because I'm not feeling well, I can. If I want to work a whole day, I can.




Wow, what a life story, thanks for sharing. I wish some of those elected officials who support the abortion ban can hear your life story. I guarantee there are so many young girls/women who can relate to your experience. I don’t know you personally, but my heart goes out to you for all that you’ve been through. Reading your posts over these past years, it’s not difficult to tell that you are a beautiful, genuine and compassionate human being. hug
[Edited 5/22/19 4:11am]
The abortion ban issue...any relation to 2045 or pre-1848?
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Reply #311 posted 05/22/19 5:43am

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The tug of war is the problem. Both people should think about that. Why go through having an abortion if you can avoid it. Why go through going on Jerry Springer or having to have a dna test to see if your the father and deal with paying child support when neither of them have money.

I don't understand peoples need to trust someone else with their body that results in decisions that are life changing. There are people that are still spreading STD's 'hoping' the other person doesn't have anything. 'Hoping' the other person is 'safe' 'on the pill' 'brought condoms' 'will pull out in time' etc


If both persons individual take 100% full responsibility for not bringing unwanted children into the world, this all stops. I think people actually like this Pro-C vs Pro-L war.

No, the taking away the rights of a woman to choose is the problem.


I for one am not saying that abortion is right or wrong. Taking away the rights of the woman to choose is what is wrong.


The problem with your analogy is if a woman gets pregnant, she has to carry the baby, have the baby, and raise the baby, while a man can just walk away. It's not always 50/50 Women are going to be forced to have a child, men are not.


A woman can't even make the choice to have an abortion, what if the baby is so badly deformed that the baby won't be able to live a week out of the womb? If a person knows that before hand then she has the choice to have the baby or not. What if an 11 year old girl was raped, she nor her family could request an abortion.


Is anyone even thinking of the emotional toll on a woman to carry a baby for 9 months that she doesn't want, but has to have?


And what happened to separation of Church & State? These lawmakers weren't elected to do what they want to do they were elected to do what the people want them to do. Just because it may go against their religion, doesn't mean that it is against the law or should be against the law or that all women have religion.


This is BS that they are doing this, Roe V Wade should stand and still stands, no matter what these states sign into their law, R V W is the law of the land.........for now.

Your first sentence response, affirms my last sentence.
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No one takes away a person choice to not bring a child into the world, unless they are raped.
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If a man has a Vasectamy, he cannot produce babies. If a woman has a Tubal ligation, she cannot produce babies.
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You're response of taking away a choice is AFTER, the man/woman were NOT RESPONSIBLE sexually. They did not use protection ie condoms, the pill etc NEITHER were responsible. Which brings in this 2nd tier battle of Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice. If Pro-Prevention happened, which is 100% FULLY HER Choice and HIS, THEY gave away their choice, no one took it from them.

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* No Penny my analogy had nothing to do with who will take care of the baby. I'm talking about CHOICE before you get to the point where the anxiety of having to 1. figure out who the father is 2. partners/spouses decide what to do 3. do I drop out of school, move back home(if there is a home to move back to) will the grandparents have to help raise the child, do we get married, his/her/their paycheck going to a baby they cannot afford, WELFARE(tax payers helping), mental health issues, neglect/abuse/trauma of the baby etc ciomes in.

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I work with a guy, who at the time he and his wife were in their late 30s. They already had 2 children; 1 boy 1 girl, who were approaching their High School years. They were set. They would be in their 40s and technically free of raising children. Well he came into work one day in a funky mood. They found out she was pregnant again. I asked, just messing with him really, why didn't they use protection etc he snaps 'we're married we shouldn't have to...' I respond 'uh well you wish you would have now don't ya lol' he was in a dumb funky mood. Well the pregnancy kicked his wife into an illness, they delivered a healthy baby boy, but she almost didn't make it. So he was quickly scheduled a Vasectomy. And his dumb reasoning on why it didn't happen soon was the same dumb reason a lot of guys especially the young dumb ones give. THEIR whole life was turned upside down, because of Pro-Prevention, not Pro-life or Pro-Choice.

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EVERYTHING you said Penny supports my premise of PRO-PREVENTION. Empower women and men with the information of the V and the T. If you cannot feed a baby then don't make a baby. It is really easier than people make it. Again, too many love the tension of the Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice war. It's politics after all.

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Look at this in the place of STDs. Whose responsibility is it not to get HIV, Herpes, gonorrhea, syphilis etc? Do we blame Laws or the other person in this? we try but it still and will always come down to the fact that the individual Man/Woman CHOSE to have SEX.

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And everyones life is turn upside down.

the 1 woman the 100 random men the 1 man the 100 random women

they ALL have 100% responsibility to choose to have SEX. They have 100% responsibility

to prevent getting pregnant/someone pregnant. They have 100% responsibility to NOT spread/Contract an STD. It is not anyone elses responsibility.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

No, the taking away the rights of a woman to choose is the problem.


I for one am not saying that abortion is right or wrong. Taking away the rights of the woman to choose is what is wrong.


The problem with your analogy is if a woman gets pregnant, she has to carry the baby, have the baby, and raise the baby, while a man can just walk away. It's not always 50/50 Women are going to be forced to have a child, men are not.


A woman can't even make the choice to have an abortion, what if the baby is so badly deformed that the baby won't be able to live a week out of the womb? If a person knows that before hand then she has the choice to have the baby or not. What if an 11 year old girl was raped, she nor her family could request an abortion.


Is anyone even thinking of the emotional toll on a woman to carry a baby for 9 months that she doesn't want, but has to have?


And what happened to separation of Church & State? These lawmakers weren't elected to do what they want to do they were elected to do what the people want them to do. Just because it may go against their religion, doesn't mean that it is against the law or should be against the law or that all women have religion.


This is BS that they are doing this, Roe V Wade should stand and still stands, no matter what these states sign into their law, R V W is the law of the land.........for now.

Spot on.

I am all for personal responsibility - but where is our societal responsibility when these unwanted children go "into the system" into sometimes several foster homes and may never be adopted? The Right wants these babies to be born but they do not want to take care of them once they are in the world

Again, you both quickly skip over 'pro-prevention'
There are no unwanted children if the Male/Female take responsibility with THEIR bodies to not make babies.

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Roe vs Wade doesn't come into the picture when John Jane Shawn Shannon Tom Tammy Giovanni Bianca takes personal responsibility for their lives. There is your societal responsibility.
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The bloodlust of the right and left/pro-lifers vs pro-choicers have a hard time dealing with the 3rd best choice -prevention.

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Who do we fight when the woman/man come up wih HIV? Herpes? STDs? ...pro-prevention is still the 1st step

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OldFriends4Sale said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Spot on.

I am all for personal responsibility - but where is our societal responsibility when these unwanted children go "into the system" into sometimes several foster homes and may never be adopted? The Right wants these babies to be born but they do not want to take care of them once they are in the world

Again, you both quickly skip over 'pro-prevention'
There are no unwanted children if the Male/Female take responsibility with THEIR bodies to not make babies.

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Roe vs Wade doesn't come into the picture when John Jane Shawn Shannon Tom Tammy Giovanni Bianca takes personal responsibility for their lives. There is your societal responsibility.
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The bloodlust of the right and left/pro-lifers vs pro-choicers have a hard time dealing with the 3rd best choice -prevention.

.

Who do we fight when the woman/man come up wih HIV? Herpes? STDs? ...pro-prevention is still the 1st step

Tell that to a rapist.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, you both quickly skip over 'pro-prevention'
There are no unwanted children if the Male/Female take responsibility with THEIR bodies to not make babies.

.

Roe vs Wade doesn't come into the picture when John Jane Shawn Shannon Tom Tammy Giovanni Bianca takes personal responsibility for their lives. There is your societal responsibility.
.
The bloodlust of the right and left/pro-lifers vs pro-choicers have a hard time dealing with the 3rd best choice -prevention.

.

Who do we fight when the woman/man come up wih HIV? Herpes? STDs? ...pro-prevention is still the 1st step

No birth control is 100% accurate. Lot's of women get pregnant while on the pill, and lot's of mens condoms break, pull out method isn't that great either. Also some drugs weaken the pill's strength and women end up pregnant, an antibiotic is one of those pills that weakens birth control.


Women of rape aren't even allowed to abort after 8 weeks. 8 weeks..heck some women don't even realize they are pregnant at 8 weeks. You have a period every 4 weeks, it could be up to 2 weeks later that you figure out you haven't had 1 that puts you at 6 weeks, by the time you go to the dr. and confirm the pregnancy and further the steps if you choose abortion 8 weeks has already past.


I understand what you are talking about on the STD's, but this is really about a woman's right that is being taken away.


Pro Prevention would be perfect in a perfect world. I by no means think abortion should be used as birth control, but sometimes mistakes happen.

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Reed Morano, Amazon's 'The Power' Drop Georgia Over Abortion Bill

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Reed Morano has decided to no longer film any scenes from Amazon Studios' "The Power" in Georgia, following the signing of the state's anti-abortion bill that would restrict abortions beyond the point of detection of a fetal heartbeat, which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy.

"The Power" canceled interviews with those working in local production in late April amid uncertainty over whether the production would remain in the state, an individual familiar with the issue told Variety.

"It feels wrong for a reason," said Morano via Instagram, extrapolating on comments she provided to Time magazine, which first reported the news. "And it felt wrong to us to go ahead and make our show and take money/tax credit from a state that is taking this stance on the abortion issue. We just couldn't do it."

Sister Pictures' Jane Featherstone and Naomi De Pear, executive producers of "The Power," said that they have not yet committed to filming in any U.S. locations yet.

"The collective decision taken by Sister Pictures and Reed Morano to cancel the planned scout to Georgia for The Power is a direct response to the signing of the 'heartbeat bill,'" they said in a statement provided to Variety. "No production commitments have yet been made to shoot in any location in the U.S. We feel we have to stand up for a woman's right to choose what happens to her body, and so while this is not a decision we have taken lightly, we feel strongly that it is the right one at this point in time."

The 10-part thriller drama, which was ordered to series in February, is based on the book by Naomi Alderman and will go into production this year, with Morano at the helm. The story revolves around teen girls the world over who suddenly develop the power to electrocute people at will and leads to a "complete reversal of the power balance of the world." Morano won an Emmy in 2017 for Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series for her work on "The Handmaid's Tale."

Morano has previously made her feelings clear about her opposition to a similar bill in Alabama, retweeting others' posts decrying the legislation that will ban abortions except for cases where a woman's health is at risk.

"The Power" is being produced by Sister Pictures and executive produced by Jane Featherstone, Naomi de Pear, Naomi Alderman and Reed Morano.

Amazon Studios declined to comment.

Additionally, Kristen Wiig and Annie Mumolo comedy "Barb and Star Go to Vista Del Mar" has also pulled out of Georgia following the signing of the bill.

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, you both quickly skip over 'pro-prevention'
There are no unwanted children if the Male/Female take responsibility with THEIR bodies to not make babies.

.

Roe vs Wade doesn't come into the picture when John Jane Shawn Shannon Tom Tammy Giovanni Bianca takes personal responsibility for their lives. There is your societal responsibility.
.
The bloodlust of the right and left/pro-lifers vs pro-choicers have a hard time dealing with the 3rd best choice -prevention.

.

Who do we fight when the woman/man come up wih HIV? Herpes? STDs? ...pro-prevention is still the 1st step

No birth control is 100% accurate. Lot's of women get pregnant while on the pill, and lot's of mens condoms break, pull out method isn't that great either. Also some drugs weaken the pill's strength and women end up pregnant, an antibiotic is one of those pills that weakens birth control.


Women of rape aren't even allowed to abort after 8 weeks. 8 weeks..heck some women don't even realize they are pregnant at 8 weeks. You have a period every 4 weeks, it could be up to 2 weeks later that you figure out you haven't had 1 that puts you at 6 weeks, by the time you go to the dr. and confirm the pregnancy and further the steps if you choose abortion 8 weeks has already past.


I understand what you are talking about on the STD's, but this is really about a woman's right that is being taken away.


Pro Prevention would be perfect in a perfect world. I by no means think abortion should be used as birth control, but sometimes mistakes happen.

Vasectomy's and Tubal ligation are 100% though

but STD's can happen at the same time sex that makes a baby happens

Pro-Prevention is perfect in an unperfect world lol, that is why it is the best option because this world is imperfect and most humans are selfish.

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Pro Choice and Pro Life is not a vs, or a choice between ice tea and lemonade, c'mon. We are talking about legal rights to your body here. Pro Life is a deceiving label. They certainly aren't considering the already born lives of the parents.

Prevention is great. And yet we have a President right now who pays women to do it raw (no condom). The woman carries the child, it is not an equal playing field when prevention doesn't work. And rape and incest victims being forced to bear a child if they don't want to is insanity.

My state is next. There is wall to wall coverage on the news here, trotting out every incest & rape victim ever born. So what? Their mother had a choice. They are trying to take that away.

These are the same people who want to ban being gay too. Can anyone here relate to that at least? It's coming.

CBS News had a poll this morning. 69% of us want Roe v Wade to stay the way it's been for 50 years, 28% want it overturned. You can't get more mainstream than network television.

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13cjk13 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, you both quickly skip over 'pro-prevention'
There are no unwanted children if the Male/Female take responsibility with THEIR bodies to not make babies.

.

Roe vs Wade doesn't come into the picture when John Jane Shawn Shannon Tom Tammy Giovanni Bianca takes personal responsibility for their lives. There is your societal responsibility.
.
The bloodlust of the right and left/pro-lifers vs pro-choicers have a hard time dealing with the 3rd best choice -prevention.

.

Who do we fight when the woman/man come up wih HIV? Herpes? STDs? ...pro-prevention is still the 1st step

Tell that to a rapist.

That is a totally different situation. Most women are not being pregnated by rapists.

Most of unwanted children are brought into situations where the Male & Female were careless and irresponsible.

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As I said in my other post 'unless the woman is raped' people still have to be 100% responsible for their own bodies. We still have people driving drunk/hi/texting and how many people die as a result of that...

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Reply #320 posted 05/22/19 7:09am

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13cjk13 said:

Tell that to a rapist.

That is a totally different situation. Most women are not being pregnated by rapists.

As I said in my other post 'unless the woman is raped' people still have to be 100% responsible for their own bodies. We still have people driving drunk/hi/texting and how many people die as a result of that...


What is your opinion? Do you want Roe v Wade overturned? And if so, why?

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Pro Choice and Pro Life is not a vs, or a choice between ice tea and lemonade, c'mon. We are talking about legal rights to your body here. Pro Life is a deceiving label. They certainly aren't considering the already born lives of the parents.

Prevention is great. And yet we have a President right now who pays women to do it raw (no condom). The woman carries the child, it is not an equal playing field when prevention doesn't work. And rape and incest victims being forced to bear a child if they don't want to is insanity.

My state is next. There is wall to wall coverage on the news here, trotting out every incest & rape victim ever born. So what? Their mother had a choice. They are trying to take that away.

These are the same people who want to ban being gay too. Can anyone here relate to that at least? It's coming.

CBS News had a poll this morning. 69% of us want Roe v Wade to stay the way it's been for 50 years, 28% want it overturned. You can't get more mainstream than network television.

It is very much VERSUS, that is why it is spelled out ROE V WADE

As that like saying 'politics does not divide us?' Pro-Life is very much VERSUS Pro-Choice

This is politics

Women in GA and Alabama need to abstain in GA and Alabama

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poppys said:

Pro Choice and Pro Life is not a vs, or a choice between ice tea and lemonade, c'mon. We are talking about legal rights to your body here. Pro Life is a deceiving label. They certainly aren't considering the already born lives of the parents.

Prevention is great. And yet we have a President right now who pays women to do it raw (no condom). The woman carries the child, it is not an equal playing field when prevention doesn't work. And rape and incest victims being forced to bear a child if they don't want to is insanity.

My state is next. There is wall to wall coverage on the news here, trotting out every incest & rape victim ever born. So what? Their mother had a choice. They are trying to take that away.

These are the same people who want to ban being gay too. Can anyone here relate to that at least? It's coming.

CBS News had a poll this morning. 69% of us want Roe v Wade to stay the way it's been for 50 years, 28% want it overturned. You can't get more mainstream than network television.

It is very much VERSUS, that is why it is spelled out ROE V WADE

As that like saying 'politics does not divide us?' Pro-Life is very much VERSUS Pro-Choice

This is politics


Do you think the term Pro Life and what it means is the opposite of the term Pro Choice?

Roe v Wade comes from the justice system, not politics.

Where do you stand on the issue of overturning Roe V Wade?

Maybe we can come to an understanding here.

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Women all over the country, along with many men who support these womens’ rights, are out protesting against the abortion bans. I hope to see many women and men use their voting power to vote those elected officials out of office. I hope many organizations will refuse to do business in these states. I hope companies in those states who support these bans are boycotted. Men have no business telling a woman what decision to make when it comes to her rights to choose whether or not to have a child. None of those elected male officials who support the ban or tough restrictions on abortion, will be involved in the lives of those women who will be forced to give birth to unplanned pregnancies. Women use your power to VOTE THOSE MFERS OUT.

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poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is very much VERSUS, that is why it is spelled out ROE V WADE

As that like saying 'politics does not divide us?' Pro-Life is very much VERSUS Pro-Choice

This is politics


Do you think the term Pro Life and what it means is the opposite of the term Pro Choice?

Roe v Wade comes from the justice system, not politics.

Where do you stand on the issue of overturning Roe V Wade?

Maybe we can come to an understanding here.

That is all still politics poppy, it's not some grassroots backyard happening... it IS politics. neutral

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Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

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poppys said:


Do you think the term Pro Life and what it means is the opposite of the term Pro Choice?

Roe v Wade comes from the justice system, not politics.

Where do you stand on the issue of overturning Roe V Wade?

Maybe we can come to an understanding here.

That is all still politics poppy, it's not some grassroots backyard happening... it IS politics. neutral

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Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion.


Where do you stand on the overturning of Roe v Wade?

Maybe we can come to an understanding here.

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13cjk13 said:

Tell that to a rapist.

That is a totally different situation. Most women are not being pregnated by rapists.

Most of unwanted children are brought into situations where the Male & Female were careless and irresponsible.

.

As I said in my other post 'unless the woman is raped' people still have to be 100% responsible for their own bodies. We still have people driving drunk/hi/texting and how many people die as a result of that...

Of course in a perfect world everyone would be responsible and there would be no unwanted babies, no deaths because people were texting at the wheel etc..., but as others have said it's not perfect. Most is not good ebough, just because most women do not become pregnant via rape doesn't mean we can't ignore those who do, or, if you take your 100% responsibility argument, that women should use birth control just in case (and yes, I do know you said 'unless the woman is raped').

Just because adults might be careless and irresponsible in getting pregnant does not mean they cannot take responsibility whilst there is little more than a cell cluster inside them. It is my belief that it is more responsible to terminate an unwanted baby before viability than it is to try an bring up an unwanted baby when there might not be any financial stability, or emotional stability, or mental stability. Surely the responsible thing is to cut the pregnancy short, rather than subject a child to a life of misery? And yes, some unwanted pregnancies cause the parent(s) to step up and take responsibilty and that child can become much-loved. I'm talking about the ones who aren't.


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poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is all still politics poppy, it's not some grassroots backyard happening... it IS politics. neutral

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Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion.


Where do you stand on the overturning of Roe v Wade?

Maybe we can come to an understanding here.

Is my hard stance on Pro-Prevention causing confusion?

The problem overall is a lack of understanding of prevention with men and women / boys and girls

see... that war lol Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, pick a side johnwoo machinegun brick

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OldFriends4Sale said:

That is a totally different situation. Most women are not being pregnated by rapists.

Most of unwanted children are brought into situations where the Male & Female were careless and irresponsible.

.

As I said in my other post 'unless the woman is raped' people still have to be 100% responsible for their own bodies. We still have people driving drunk/hi/texting and how many people die as a result of that...

Of course in a perfect world everyone would be responsible and there would be no unwanted babies, no deaths because people were texting at the wheel etc..., but as others have said it's not perfect. Most is not good ebough, just because most women do not become pregnant via rape doesn't mean we can't ignore those who do, or, if you take your 100% responsibility argument, that women should use birth control just in case (and yes, I do know you said 'unless the woman is raped').

Just because adults might be careless and irresponsible in getting pregnant does not mean they cannot take responsibility whilst there is little more than a cell cluster inside them. It is my belief that it is more responsible to terminate an unwanted baby before viability than it is to try an bring up an unwanted baby when there might not be any financial stability, or emotional stability, or mental stability. Surely the responsible thing is to cut the pregnancy short, rather than subject a child to a life of misery? And yes, some unwanted pregnancies cause the parent(s) to step up and take responsibilty and that child can become much-loved. I'm talking about the ones who aren't.


my post #317:

Pro-Prevention is perfect in an unperfect world lol, that is why it is the best option because this world is imperfect and most humans are selfish.

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and yes there are Arbortion pills for those 'oops I forgot' after sex escapades. Probably way cheaper than paying for one.

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poppys said:


Where do you stand on the overturning of Roe v Wade?

Maybe we can come to an understanding here.

Is my hard stance on Pro-Prevention causing confusion?

The problem overall is a lack of understanding of prevention with men and women / boys and girls

see... that war lol Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, pick a side johnwoo machinegun brick


Yes, Roe v Wade is a side. Women are permitted to have abortions in this country, or they are not, period. That is what the law is.

You are saying you think prevention is the answer to an unwanted pregnancy. Ok. However, the thread topic is overturning legal abortions, not preventions we already have.

That is why states are passing bills that are not federally enforced - yet. And they are also going after Levonorgestrel (morning after pill) in some states, like Michigan. That was a very hard fought battle as well.

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