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Reply #300 posted 05/20/19 10:51pm

IanRG

Lovejunky said:

IanRG said:

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I will go the Swedes about their law, not one of the myriad youtube bloggers. The Swedes disagree that this just about a wide definition of rape. They understand, as do most courts in most countries that rape can be rape even if you gave consent the previous night - This applies in Australia - consent can be removed during the act. They understand that initiating sex with a person whilst they are asleep to overcome that they previously required Assange wear a condom is rape - This would apply in Australia as well.

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Plus, it makes no sense for Sweden to seek to reopen its investigation and continue its warrant for Assange to be questioned in Sweden, if all they were doing was secretly acting for the USA because the UK would not extradite Assange. Note: that warrant has, in fact, not timed out according actual Swedish law.

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Why does it make no sense? Read what the Swedish legal system has been consistently saying, not just what Assanges lawyers and youtube blog defenders have been claiming. Also, if the Swedes were just being used by the US, they would not now be trying to potentially block the US 2019 extradition request with their own. Note: the first US application was only just made this year.

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Assange has been under the Swedish warrant since 2010 and only ran and hid 5 days after it was detemined in court that Assange should be questioned in Sweden according to the warrant. The legal system does not work that the person accused and being investigated can decide how a country's legal system should work and court decisions can be ignored so long as you are hiding out in the embassy of the third country in the country whose court decided you should meet the requirements of the warrant.

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Address the issue, don't just post youtubes with no commentary.

Oh for goodness sakes...Who are YOU ?

Self Appointed org Police...?

Seriously...

Ill post what I like,

and you will continue to be crusty and argumentative...

cest la vie

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Well, we don't know your position other than it is possibly in line with the youtube you posted unless you only posted for comment.

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Instead of being argumentative about being asked to address the issue rather than just posting a youtube from a political blogger, you could have answered my comments:

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If Sweden is just a lackey of the US: Why is Sweden looking at blocking the US's first ever extradiction request?

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If the warrant has timed out: Why is the Swedish legal system saying it certainly has not?

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If Assange was being so cooperative: Why is that he broke bail in regards to the Swedish warrant and ran and hid and refused to meet the warrant conditions?

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Why do you think a person can dictate how they will disobey the courts and the warrant and offer to meet the investigators in a foreign embassy? You can't do this, I can't do this and neither can Assange.

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Rather than jumping up and down about being asked to address the issue, you could address the issue: He ran from real rape allegations being non-consentual sex that put his victim at risk against her very specific terms of consent - RAPE in pretty much every country. If standing up against rape is being crusty then prepare for a full crusty loaf.

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Reply #301 posted 05/21/19 6:20am

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IanRG said:

...Rather than jumping up and down about being asked to address the issue, you could address the issue: He ran from real rape allegations being non-consentual sex that put his victim at risk against her very specific terms of consent - RAPE in pretty much every country. If standing up against rape is being crusty then prepare for a full crusty loaf.

I won't be opening any random videos or "news sources" from this poster again, the Daily Stormer was enough for me.

Assange seems to have a cult following, drink the kool-aid or else. We got a news story with a huge disclaimer at the end about what constitues rape in Sweden. Posted to back up their view without even reading the whole thing. Another poster said he was too scrawny to commit a rape. This is not rational stuff.



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Reply #302 posted 05/21/19 4:57pm

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Pamela Anderson speaks out after visiting Julian Assange in prison

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Reply #303 posted 05/21/19 7:55pm

IanRG

Lovejunky said:

Pamela Anderson speaks out after visiting Julian Assange in prison

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When I want an opinion, I think what would Pamela Anderson think?

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Reply #304 posted 05/21/19 8:29pm

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IanRG said:

Lovejunky said:

Pamela Anderson speaks out after visiting Julian Assange in prison

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When I want an opinion, I think what would Pamela Anderson think?

You do what you like IanRG

Personally I like to think for myself.

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Reply #305 posted 05/21/19 9:16pm

IanRG

Lovejunky said:

IanRG said:

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When I want an opinion, I think what would Pamela Anderson think?

You do what you like IanRG

Personally I like to think for myself.

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Do you have any answer to my critical analysis of you unadorned post of what a youtube blogger thinks?

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Tell me, you excuse allegations of rape by Assange because he works in news media, do you do the same for Bill O'Reilly?

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Reply #306 posted 05/21/19 9:28pm

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IanRG said:

Lovejunky said:

You do what you like IanRG

Personally I like to think for myself.

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Do you have any answer to my critical analysis of you unadorned post of what a youtube blogger thinks?

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Tell me, you excuse allegations of rape by Assange because he works in news media, do you do the same for Bill O'Reilly?

God you are a flipping bully !!!!

No I dont excuse RAPE Allegations,

however if you had watched that whole video all the way through you would have noted that Kim researched and came across a statement that came from the two women accusers..

In my mind..Rape is not appropriate in this case..

and I am a woman..

Sexual misconduct YES..

absolutley...

definately...

Assange should be held accountable for that..but Rape..

no..thats something entirely different...

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Reply #307 posted 05/21/19 10:09pm

IanRG

Lovejunky said:

IanRG said:

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Do you have any answer to my critical analysis of you unadorned post of what a youtube blogger thinks?

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Tell me, you excuse allegations of rape by Assange because he works in news media, do you do the same for Bill O'Reilly?

God you are a flipping bully !!!!

No I dont excuse RAPE Allegations,

however if you had watched that whole video all the way through you would have noted that Kim researched and came across a statement that came from the two women accusers..

In my mind..Rape is not appropriate in this case..

and I am a woman..

Sexual misconduct YES..

absolutley...

definately...

Assange should be held accountable for that..but Rape..

no..thats something entirely different...

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I am not bullying you. I never said to you anything like you implying I don't think for myself or accusing me of being the self appointed org police or being crusty and argumentative - Pot/black if ever there was.

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Given you are only repeating what a youtube blogger said, the Swedish legal system clearly disagrees with you, I have read what Assange is accused of and I can think for myself, I disagree with you.

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Initiating sexual intercourse whilst a woman is asleep in a way that that woman specifically refused to give consent to the previous night is rape - even here in Australia and in many other jurisdictions, not just Sweden. You are playing semantics but in doing so you agree with me that he should be held accountable for that - but he has been avoiding this since 2012. So what are you even arguing about?

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Reply #308 posted 05/22/19 4:55pm

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IanRG said:

Lovejunky said:

Pamela Anderson speaks out after visiting Julian Assange in prison

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When I want an opinion, I think what would Pamela Anderson think?

Should have stayed with Tommy Lee.

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Reply #309 posted 05/22/19 5:06pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

IanRG said:

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When I want an opinion, I think what would Pamela Anderson think?

Should have stayed with Tommy Lee.


Looking kinda crusty Pam.

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Reply #310 posted 05/22/19 5:15pm

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Should have stayed with Tommy Lee.


Looking kinda crusty Pam.


Botox and a hard riding youth, no doubt wink

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Reply #311 posted 05/22/19 6:21pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


Looking kinda crusty Pam.


Botox and a hard riding youth, no doubt wink

Rode hard and put away wet, is what we say in Missouri. LOL

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Reply #312 posted 05/23/19 1:26pm

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PennyPurple said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Botox and a hard riding youth, no doubt wink

Rode hard and put away wet, is what we say in Missouri. LOL




lol

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Reply #313 posted 05/23/19 8:01pm

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Lovejunky said:

Pamela Anderson speaks out after visiting Julian Assange in prison

But Pam , he is a fucking asshole, there is that. lol

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #314 posted 05/24/19 8:05pm

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Funny how someone who loves wikileaks doesn't want to release the Mueller Report. Selective releasing, huh?


Do you think Trump will pardon or commute his sentence if he gets one? I still don't understand why Assange thought it was a better idea to go into hiding "forever". Did he think it was going to be worse than a 5 year max sentence?

He knew very well that he was not going to get a fair trial....

Espionage Charges Against Assange Are Most Significant Attack on Press in Decades

DANIEL ELLSBERG......

He doesn’t just face 170 years.

That’s for the 17 counts on the Espionage Act, each worth 10.

Plus, he’s still facing the five-year conspiracy charge that he started out with a few weeks ago.

I was sure that the administration did not want to keep Julian Assange in jail just for five years.

So I’ve been expecting these Espionage Act charges.



Why then did they bring it right now? Well, coming back to the case, by the way, that I faced, I faced only 11 [Espionage] Act charges, each worth 10 years in prison, plus a conspiracy charge worth five.

So I was facing exactly 115 years in prison.

He’s facing exactly 175.

Now, that’s not a difference that makes any difference.

In both cases, it’s a question of a life sentence.

transcipt of entire video HERE

EDIT..link to video not appearing for some reason....???

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Reply #315 posted 05/24/19 10:25pm

IanRG

Lovejunky said:

poppys said:

He knew very well that he was not going to get a fair trial....

Espionage Charges Against Assange Are Most Significant Attack on Press in Decades

DANIEL ELLSBERG......

He doesn’t just face 170 years.

That’s for the 17 counts on the Espionage Act, each worth 10.

Plus, he’s still facing the five-year conspiracy charge that he started out with a few weeks ago.

I was sure that the administration did not want to keep Julian Assange in jail just for five years.

So I’ve been expecting these Espionage Act charges.



Why then did they bring it right now? Well, coming back to the case, by the way, that I faced, I faced only 11 [Espionage] Act charges, each worth 10 years in prison, plus a conspiracy charge worth five.

So I was facing exactly 115 years in prison.

He’s facing exactly 175.

Now, that’s not a difference that makes any difference.

In both cases, it’s a question of a life sentence.

transcipt of entire video HERE

EDIT..link to vieo not working..

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When he ran 7 years ago, he was facing two charges in Sweden for rape and sexual assault and that is all. The US had made NO moves to extradite him from the UK and it was just a conspiracy theory that they were just waiting to extradite him from Sweden instead.

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A conspiracy theory that has been shown to be flat earth because:

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1 The US is now seeking to extradite Assange from the UK - so it never, ever, ever was something that they were not doing because it could be rejected by the UK. The UK/US extradition treaty is the same one for both periods as it was signed in 2003.

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2 The Swedes may still trump the current US extradition application because their application is older and it is the one Assange broke bail, ran and hide from 5 days after the UK courts ruled he must go to Sweden in line with the Swedish extradiction application.

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The sum of potential maximum sentences assumes he will be found guilty and sentenced to the maximum sentences for all charges. Your source, Daniel Ellsberg, was charged with crimes with up to 115 years maximum sentences and he sentenced to no, zero, nil years prison. Ellsberg, also had the integrity to publicly surrender. Ellsberg and Manning faced the courts and used these as opportunies where they and their supporters used the US legal and court processes to show up what the US government and their wrong-doings. Assange is showing no integrity.

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Interestingly, the expansion of the charges prior to the US getting him to the US could delay or result in a failure to achieve extradiction. The difficulty is that espionage is often considered "political" and this is an area in the treaty that the UK can use to reject an extradiction application. This means that Assange's defence will seek to use this both attack the US through the courts and potentially prevent the extradiction to the US. People are speculating that this overplay by the US could add years and uncertainty to the extradiction process. In the meantime, it allows plenty of opportunity to air US dirty laundry.

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Reply #316 posted 05/25/19 2:52pm

IanRG

Here is an interesting Australian article on what next for Assange.

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It explores the options and possibilities of what he faces.

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From my point of view it points out some interesting things:

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- Even with the expansion of charges, they are lesser espionage charges with their own statute of limitations.

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- It raises the issue that the Swedes may not be able to extradite him to the US depending on the application of its law that denies extradition for military issues. Another nail in the Swedes were just lackeys of the US excuse used to dismiss the rape and sexual assault charges.

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- It key theme is Assange's ego. This has always been his greatest failing: Whilst his legal advisors and followers raise the need for protections for whistleblowers and the free press (Including me), Assange's statement on why he will fight the extradition was telling - He raised the number of awards he has received.

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It concludes with:

What Assange does next may depend a lot on his view of the sexual assault charges in Sweden. If he thinks he is likely to be convicted then he will seek to avoid that risk, not for the fear of custody, but for the fear of conviction.

Assange likes playing the ‘hero’ white knight against the king, blowing his whistle on the abuse of power. But sexual assault is an abuse of power, too. A conviction for rape or sexual assault would destroy the credibility of Assange in his key support base.

Assange’s greatest fear may not be a hero’s death in the US, but a humiliated life in Sweden. There is no such thing as a ‘hero rapist’.

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Reply #317 posted 05/25/19 7:20pm

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These new charges are fucked, and anyone who cares about democracy best be outraged.
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Reply #318 posted 05/25/19 8:57pm

poppys

IanRG said:

Here is an interesting Australian article on what next for Assange.

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It explores the options and possibilities of what he faces.

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From my point of view it points out some interesting things:

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- Even with the expansion of charges, they are lesser espionage charges with their own statute of limitations.

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- It raises the issue that the Swedes may not be able to extradite him to the US depending on the application of its law that denies extradition for military issues. Another nail in the Swedes were just lackeys of the US excuse used to dismiss the rape and sexual assault charges.

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- It key theme is Assange's ego. This has always been his greatest failing: Whilst his legal advisors and followers raise the need for protections for whistleblowers and the free press (Including me), Assange's statement on why he will fight the extradition was telling - He raised the number of awards he has received.

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It concludes with:

What Assange does next may depend a lot on his view of the sexual assault charges in Sweden. If he thinks he is likely to be convicted then he will seek to avoid that risk, not for the fear of custody, but for the fear of conviction.

Assange likes playing the ‘hero’ white knight against the king, blowing his whistle on the abuse of power. But sexual assault is an abuse of power, too. A conviction for rape or sexual assault would destroy the credibility of Assange in his key support base.

Assange’s greatest fear may not be a hero’s death in the US, but a humiliated life in Sweden. There is no such thing as a ‘hero rapist’.


Thanks for the read Ian. They are not going to give Assange the death penalty here, period. No one is threatening death in anything I have read. And as your article says, they would have to make a deal with any other country that has him to take it off the table before he could be extradited.

What he did in Sweden that he hid from all those years is on him to straighen out like a big boy should. Agree there is no conspiracy to charge him with a fake crime there. He probably would have been better off to take his US lumps before the Orange Nightmare got in office, but it's too late for that now. Publishing the unredacted names of human sources abroad was a huge mistake. The most alarming side issue of the new charges being discussed here are "ripple effects on press freedom".


https://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-julian-assange-prompt-outcry-edward-snowden-civil/story?id=63254108

...Ben Wizner of the American Civil Liberties Union said the charges were "extraordinary."

"For the first time in the history of our country, the government has brought criminal charges against a publisher for the publication of truthful information," Wizner, director of the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, said in a statement.

"This is an extraordinary escalation of the Trump administration's attacks on journalism and a direct assault on the First Amendment," Wizner said. "It establishes a dangerous precedent that can be used to target all news organizations that hold the government accountable by publishing its secrets. And it is equally dangerous for U.S. journalists who uncover the secrets of other nations. If the US can prosecute a foreign publisher for violating our secrecy laws, there’s nothing preventing China, or Russia, from doing the same."...


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Reply #319 posted 05/25/19 10:49pm

IanRG

poppys said:

IanRG said:

Here is an interesting Australian article on what next for Assange.

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It explores the options and possibilities of what he faces.

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From my point of view it points out some interesting things:

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- Even with the expansion of charges, they are lesser espionage charges with their own statute of limitations.

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- It raises the issue that the Swedes may not be able to extradite him to the US depending on the application of its law that denies extradition for military issues. Another nail in the Swedes were just lackeys of the US excuse used to dismiss the rape and sexual assault charges.

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- It key theme is Assange's ego. This has always been his greatest failing: Whilst his legal advisors and followers raise the need for protections for whistleblowers and the free press (Including me), Assange's statement on why he will fight the extradition was telling - He raised the number of awards he has received.

.

It concludes with:

What Assange does next may depend a lot on his view of the sexual assault charges in Sweden. If he thinks he is likely to be convicted then he will seek to avoid that risk, not for the fear of custody, but for the fear of conviction.

Assange likes playing the ‘hero’ white knight against the king, blowing his whistle on the abuse of power. But sexual assault is an abuse of power, too. A conviction for rape or sexual assault would destroy the credibility of Assange in his key support base.

Assange’s greatest fear may not be a hero’s death in the US, but a humiliated life in Sweden. There is no such thing as a ‘hero rapist’.


Thanks for the read Ian. They are not going to give Assange the death penalty here, period. No one is threatening death in anything I have read. And as your article says, they would have to make a deal with any other country that has him to take it off the table before he could be extradited.

What he did in Sweden that he hid from all those years is on him to straighen out like a big boy should. Agree there is no conspiracy to charge him with a fake crime there. He probably would have been better off to take his US lumps before the Orange Nightmare got in office, but it's too late for that now. Publishing the unredacted names of human sources abroad was a huge mistake. The most alarming side issue of the new charges being discussed here are "ripple effects on press freedom".


https://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-julian-assange-prompt-outcry-edward-snowden-civil/story?id=63254108

...Ben Wizner of the American Civil Liberties Union said the charges were "extraordinary."

"For the first time in the history of our country, the government has brought criminal charges against a publisher for the publication of truthful information," Wizner, director of the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, said in a statement.

"This is an extraordinary escalation of the Trump administration's attacks on journalism and a direct assault on the First Amendment," Wizner said. "It establishes a dangerous precedent that can be used to target all news organizations that hold the government accountable by publishing its secrets. And it is equally dangerous for U.S. journalists who uncover the secrets of other nations. If the US can prosecute a foreign publisher for violating our secrecy laws, there’s nothing preventing China, or Russia, from doing the same."...


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And there is the rub: The charges against Assange for publishing, including knowingly publishing stolen material that is truthful should be protected by the Constitution even though he is not a US citizen. So long as he was not being libelous, exercised due care to ensure he was not being false and defamatory and there is no specific court order or legislation against this being reported, these charges should be found to be wrong and an overreach.

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The difficulties are whether Assange is able to be argued to not being considered a journo and whether the charges of actively colluding with a whistleblower in the execution of their crime (rather than just receiving the material) exceeds the long understood rule that the government will not prosecute journalists for publishing stolen information. As former Attorney General Eric Holder said to a Senate committee: “The Department has not prosecuted, and as long as I’m attorney general, will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job.”

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Reply #320 posted 05/30/19 12:51am

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According to the news, Assange has been moved to the medical wing in Belmarsh and Wikileaks says it has grave concerns for its founder. Knowing a little about these things, my guess would be that he was initially kept in segregation for his own protection. Segregation is no walk in the park. Whether he has stayed there the entire time or put in with other vulnerable prisoners is anyones guess, but either way, he will be surrounded by people who have either a healthy, or unhealthy interest in him. This would fuck with anyone's mind and my guess is that he has had some sort of mental breakdown, or, more probably IMO, that he is on hunger strike. Either way, it is serious for them to move him. Places on the medical wing are very limited and only the most desperate get them.


https://news.sky.com/stor...h-11731364

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Reply #321 posted 05/30/19 6:53am

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According to the news, Assange has been moved to the medical wing in Belmarsh and Wikileaks says it has grave concerns for its founder. Knowing a little about these things, my guess would be that he was initially kept in segregation for his own protection. Segregation is no walk in the park. Whether he has stayed there the entire time or put in with other vulnerable prisoners is anyones guess, but either way, he will be surrounded by people who have either a healthy, or unhealthy interest in him. This would fuck with anyone's mind and my guess is that he has had some sort of mental breakdown, or, more probably IMO, that he is on hunger strike. Either way, it is serious for them to move him. Places on the medical wing are very limited and only the most desperate get them.


https://news.sky.com/stor...h-11731364


Thanks for the info. My guess is that he was mentally fragile when they finally took him out of the Ecuadorian Embassy. They had reported that he was slipping in various ways.

Even people in the hospital for physical ailments lose mental cognizance daily from being institutionalized and out of normal life.

Edit to add -

WikiLeaks' Assange too ill to appear via video link in U.S. extradition hearing

https://www.reuters.com/a...SKCN1T00Z4


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Reply #322 posted 05/30/19 3:31pm

IanRG

poppys said:

maplenpg said:

According to the news, Assange has been moved to the medical wing in Belmarsh and Wikileaks says it has grave concerns for its founder. Knowing a little about these things, my guess would be that he was initially kept in segregation for his own protection. Segregation is no walk in the park. Whether he has stayed there the entire time or put in with other vulnerable prisoners is anyones guess, but either way, he will be surrounded by people who have either a healthy, or unhealthy interest in him. This would fuck with anyone's mind and my guess is that he has had some sort of mental breakdown, or, more probably IMO, that he is on hunger strike. Either way, it is serious for them to move him. Places on the medical wing are very limited and only the most desperate get them.


https://news.sky.com/stor...h-11731364


Thanks for the info. My guess is that he was mentally fragile when they finally took him out of the Ecuadorian Embassy. They had reported that he was slipping in various ways.

Even people in the hospital for physical ailments lose mental cognizance daily from being institutionalized and out of normal life.

Edit to add -

WikiLeaks' Assange too ill to appear via video link in U.S. extradition hearing

https://www.reuters.com/a...SKCN1T00Z4


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The stress and pressures of normal life can be too much, the stress of a self imposed incarceration and the fear of what he could face if he comes out plus the trigger of the start of what he could face would be horrendous.

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We don't know what the Equadorians were doing to encourage him out since their change in government. All we heard was how he was being cut off from internet access etc. So the start is not just since he was arrested but incudes this and as his sanctuary become a prison.

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Reply #323 posted 05/30/19 3:48pm

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Here's something I found.

https://www.thedailybeast...-in-london

Why Ecuador Finally Got Sick of Julian Assange and Ended His Refuge at the Embassy in London

...His dramatic expulsion from the embassy follows a year of ratcheting tension between Assange and his Ecuadorian hosts, culminating in WikiLeaks publicizing a leak of hundreds of thousands of hacked emails mysteriously stolen from the inboxes of Ecuador’s president and first lady.

It was this last move that finally set Ecuador’s government firmly against Assange, who was by then already being treated less like a political refugee than an inmate—albeit one who was free to leave at any time...

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Reply #324 posted 05/31/19 5:59am

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poppys said:

Here's something I found.

https://www.thedailybeast...-in-london

Why Ecuador Finally Got Sick of Julian Assange and Ended His Refuge at the Embassy in London

...His dramatic expulsion from the embassy follows a year of ratcheting tension between Assange and his Ecuadorian hosts, culminating in WikiLeaks publicizing a leak of hundreds of thousands of hacked emails mysteriously stolen from the inboxes of Ecuador’s president and first lady.

It was this last move that finally set Ecuador’s government firmly against Assange, who was by then already being treated less like a political refugee than an inmate—albeit one who was free to leave at any time...


Did Assange bite the hands that fed him?

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Reply #325 posted 05/31/19 6:30am

IanRG

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:

Here's something I found.

https://www.thedailybeast...-in-london

Why Ecuador Finally Got Sick of Julian Assange and Ended His Refuge at the Embassy in London

...His dramatic expulsion from the embassy follows a year of ratcheting tension between Assange and his Ecuadorian hosts, culminating in WikiLeaks publicizing a leak of hundreds of thousands of hacked emails mysteriously stolen from the inboxes of Ecuador’s president and first lady.

It was this last move that finally set Ecuador’s government firmly against Assange, who was by then already being treated less like a political refugee than an inmate—albeit one who was free to leave at any time...


Did Assange bite the hands that fed him?

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Apparently, yes. Not a smart move.

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Reply #326 posted 05/31/19 6:35am

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Yes, I think he did. This is a complicated issue, way beyond black & white. Releasing information is his signature.

We need people to be courageous in their actions, exposing what governments are doing behind the scenes. But whether this will turn out well for Assange in the choices he made, (including the Sweden charges hanging out there), remains to be seen. The additional 17 charges brought againt him in the US now threaten journalists from doing their job.

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Reply #327 posted 05/31/19 3:59pm

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poppys said:

Yes, I think he did. This is a complicated issue, way beyond black & white. Releasing information is his signature.

We need people to be courageous in their actions, exposing what governments are doing behind the scenes. But whether this will turn out well for Assange in the choices he made, (including the Sweden charges hanging out there), remains to be seen. The additional 17 charges brought againt him in the US now threaten journalists from doing their job.


Even Snowden thought Assange crossed the line on the info he was releasing.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #328 posted 05/31/19 4:56pm

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poppys said:

Yes, I think he did. This is a complicated issue, way beyond black & white. Releasing information is his signature.

We need people to be courageous in their actions, exposing what governments are doing behind the scenes. But whether this will turn out well for Assange in the choices he made, (including the Sweden charges hanging out there), remains to be seen. The additional 17 charges brought againt him in the US now threaten journalists from doing their job.


Even Snowden thought Assange crossed the line on the info he was releasing.


Yes. I am not arguing that. I am acknowledging both sides of the leaking argument.

If journalists can be charged for leaking, (whether you think he is one or not, the 17 new charges are leveled at journalists), we will lose a freedom of the press (1st amendment) right. It will set a legal precedent.

If journalists were charged during Vietnam, we may not have found out about the My Lai Massacre or Cambodia as well as other atrocities.

What Assange did personally (like Sweden) is a separate issue.

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Reply #329 posted 05/31/19 5:09pm

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Even Snowden thought Assange crossed the line on the info he was releasing.


Yes. I am not arguing that. I am acknowledging both sides of the leaking argument.

If journalists can be charged for leaking, (whether you think he is one or not, the 17 new charges are leveled at journalists), we will lose a freedom of the press (1st amendment) right. It will set a legal precedent.

If journalists were charged during Vietnam, we may not have found out about the My Lai Massacre or Cambodia as well as other atrocities.

What Assange did personally (like Sweden) is a separate issue.

[Edited 5/31/19 17:06pm]

I was not challenging your argument - it was just a comment on what Snowden - also in exile due to his whistle blowing - said.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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