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Jane Elliott blows my mind again.

http://www.alternet.org/video/professor-poses-one-perfect-question-about-race-stumps-her-audience

No white person would stand up. That happens every time.

Also, Killer Mike is pissed:

Wow.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 07/12/16 6:43pm

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She's f*****g amazing.
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Reply #2 posted 07/13/16 12:47am

DarlingDiana

"Killer" Michael is such a pussy. Inciting people to target police while his fat ass stays home and watches it all unfold comfortably. It's not time to "do something." The time for talking or marching is not over, like Snoop Dogg said. We don't need any "real niggaz" to "holler" at Snoop and plan a counter-attack on police. Fuck the both of them and their violent rhetoric. They wanted Dallas and they got it. Stop giving this fat motherfucker and that other skinny stoner air time to incite violence and spread bullshit.
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DarlingDiana said:

"Killer" Michael is such a pussy. Inciting people to target police while his fat ass stays home and watches it all unfold comfortably. It's not time to "do something." The time for talking or marching is not over, like Snoop Dogg said. We don't need any "real niggaz" to "holler" at Snoop and plan a counter-attack on police. Fuck the both of them and their violent rhetoric. They wanted Dallas and they got it. Stop giving this fat motherfucker and that other skinny stoner air time to incite violence and spread bullshit. [Edited 7/13/16 0:48am]

Hear hear!

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DarlingDiana said:

"Killer" Michael is such a pussy. Inciting people to target police while his fat ass stays home and watches it all unfold comfortably. It's not time to "do something." The time for talking or marching is not over, like Snoop Dogg said. We don't need any "real niggaz" to "holler" at Snoop and plan a counter-attack on police. Fuck the both of them and their violent rhetoric. They wanted Dallas and they got it. Stop giving this fat motherfucker and that other skinny stoner air time to incite violence and spread bullshit. [Edited 7/13/16 0:48am]

Seems disingenuous to quote his call to "do something" at the start of this interview, then i) omit all of the nonviolent, though avowedly disruptive, forms of action he goes on to suggest, and ii) link it to a form of action he doesn't suggest, i.e. "incit[ing] violence", and, more specifically, "target[ing] police."

His list of suggested actions is quite extensive, encompassing both use of latent political power (make demands of prosecutors and judges or run your own candidate; don't vote for a presidential candidate unless they acknowledge your demands; vote the school board out; invite new candidates, police chiefs and mayors to come before when they run for office) and latent economic power (move money from your existing bank account; shop only in certain districts; encourage Black athletes not to "show up for work", given the likely commercial impact of such disruption). I mention both, though it's clear he's trying to shift the conversation towards the latter.

He even helpfully sums both lines of attack up in slogans during the interview. On the political side: "Wake up the political establishment!" and "Whoever you vote for, demand something!" And, on the economic side: "Take your money!" and "Fight this system by what it understands best: economics!" Seems abundantly clear to me. I hear nothing in there about 'targeting police' in the seven concrete strategies I've listed, and still less of the stereotypical talk of "real niggaz" you've chosen to sum up the argument with.

[Edited 7/13/16 3:48am]

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Reply #5 posted 07/13/16 4:22am

DarlingDiana

deebee said:



DarlingDiana said:


"Killer" Michael is such a pussy. Inciting people to target police while his fat ass stays home and watches it all unfold comfortably. It's not time to "do something." The time for talking or marching is not over, like Snoop Dogg said. We don't need any "real niggaz" to "holler" at Snoop and plan a counter-attack on police. Fuck the both of them and their violent rhetoric. They wanted Dallas and they got it. Stop giving this fat motherfucker and that other skinny stoner air time to incite violence and spread bullshit. [Edited 7/13/16 0:48am]

Seems disingenuous to quote his call to "do something" at the start of this interview, then i) omit all of the nonviolent, though avowedly disruptive, forms of action he goes on to suggest, and ii) link it to a form of action he doesn't suggest, i.e. "incit[ing] violence", and, more specifically, "target[ing] police."

His list of suggested actions is quite extensive, encompassing both use of latent political power (make demands of prosecutors and judges or run your own candidate; don't vote for a presidential candidate unless they acknowledge your demands; vote the school board out; invite new candidates, police chiefs and mayors to come before when they run for office) and latent economic power (move money from your existing bank account; shop only in certain districts; encourage Black athletes not to "show up for work", given the likely commercial impact of such disruption). I mention both, though it's clear he's trying to shift the conversation towards the latter.

He even helpfully sums both lines of attack up in slogans during the interview. On the political side: "Wake up the political establishment!" and "Whoever you vote for, demand something!" And, on the economic side: "Take your money!" and "Fight this system by what it understands best: economics!" Seems abundantly clear to me. I hear nothing in there about 'targeting police' in the seven concrete strategies I've listed, and still less of the stereotypical talk of "real niggaz" you've chosen to sum up the argument with.

[Edited 7/13/16 3:48am]



Killer Mike is pretty stupid, but not stupid enough not to know what his rhetoric is fueling. He knows what he's doing. From Killer Mike to Snopp Dogg to Jesse Williams there was a barrage of rhetoric that fueled the fire in Dallas. And if was Snoop Dogg specifically I was referring to regarding the "real niggaz."

https://www.instagram.com...kM8VPhbQR/

His little stunt with the Game in LA was a nice backpeddle, but he even showed up to that in his crip colors. I don't feel like putting up with that anymore and I don't feel like listening to this fat motherfucker's litany of "largely peaceful" suggestions for retaliating against police after his thinly veiled call for people to "do something." Fuck that.

Listen to the rhetoric he uses and not just the spin he puts on it later to pretend he's not inciting violence. He talks about police murdering people. He frames a non-violent encounter with police as "surviving." Implying that if you're black you are lucky to get out of an encounter with police alive. He calls them abuses. He tells people to get angry and do something. To prevent police from murdering any more black men. That's the kind of rhetoric that makes people think it's justifiable to attack police officers.
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Reply #6 posted 07/13/16 5:56am

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DarlingDiana said:

deebee said:



DarlingDiana said:


"Killer" Michael is such a pussy. Inciting people to target police while his fat ass stays home and watches it all unfold comfortably. It's not time to "do something." The time for talking or marching is not over, like Snoop Dogg said. We don't need any "real niggaz" to "holler" at Snoop and plan a counter-attack on police. Fuck the both of them and their violent rhetoric. They wanted Dallas and they got it. Stop giving this fat motherfucker and that other skinny stoner air time to incite violence and spread bullshit. [Edited 7/13/16 0:48am]

Seems disingenuous to quote his call to "do something" at the start of this interview, then i) omit all of the nonviolent, though avowedly disruptive, forms of action he goes on to suggest, and ii) link it to a form of action he doesn't suggest, i.e. "incit[ing] violence", and, more specifically, "target[ing] police."

His list of suggested actions is quite extensive, encompassing both use of latent political power (make demands of prosecutors and judges or run your own candidate; don't vote for a presidential candidate unless they acknowledge your demands; vote the school board out; invite new candidates, police chiefs and mayors to come before when they run for office) and latent economic power (move money from your existing bank account; shop only in certain districts; encourage Black athletes not to "show up for work", given the likely commercial impact of such disruption). I mention both, though it's clear he's trying to shift the conversation towards the latter.

He even helpfully sums both lines of attack up in slogans during the interview. On the political side: "Wake up the political establishment!" and "Whoever you vote for, demand something!" And, on the economic side: "Take your money!" and "Fight this system by what it understands best: economics!" Seems abundantly clear to me. I hear nothing in there about 'targeting police' in the seven concrete strategies I've listed, and still less of the stereotypical talk of "real niggaz" you've chosen to sum up the argument with.

[Edited 7/13/16 3:48am]



Killer Mike is pretty stupid, but not stupid enough not to know what his rhetoric is fueling. He knows what he's doing. From Killer Mike to Snopp Dogg to Jesse Williams there was a barrage of rhetoric that fueled the fire in Dallas. And if was Snoop Dogg specifically I was referring to regarding the "real niggaz."

https://www.instagram.com...kM8VPhbQR/

His little stunt with the Game in LA was a nice backpeddle, but he even showed up to that in his crip colors. I don't feel like putting up with that anymore and I don't feel like listening to this fat motherfucker's litany of "largely peaceful" suggestions for retaliating against police after his thinly veiled call for people to "do something." Fuck that.

Listen to the rhetoric he uses and not just the spin he puts on it later to pretend he's not inciting violence. He talks about police murdering people. He frames a non-violent encounter with police as "surviving." Implying that if you're black you are lucky to get out of an encounter with police alive. He calls them abuses. He tells people to get angry and do something. To prevent police from murdering any more black men. That's the kind of rhetoric that makes people think it's justifiable to attack police officers.
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Lol did you drink the right ripple and kool aid? Cause I didn't get all that from the video. You sure u ain't watching it with the sub title feature or an angry translator? Lol u can't do no better than this? Slipping....
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Reply #7 posted 07/13/16 6:31am

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DarlingDiana said:

deebee said:



DarlingDiana said:


"Killer" Michael is such a pussy. Inciting people to target police while his fat ass stays home and watches it all unfold comfortably. It's not time to "do something." The time for talking or marching is not over, like Snoop Dogg said. We don't need any "real niggaz" to "holler" at Snoop and plan a counter-attack on police. Fuck the both of them and their violent rhetoric. They wanted Dallas and they got it. Stop giving this fat motherfucker and that other skinny stoner air time to incite violence and spread bullshit. [Edited 7/13/16 0:48am]

Seems disingenuous to quote his call to "do something" at the start of this interview, then i) omit all of the nonviolent, though avowedly disruptive, forms of action he goes on to suggest, and ii) link it to a form of action he doesn't suggest, i.e. "incit[ing] violence", and, more specifically, "target[ing] police."

His list of suggested actions is quite extensive, encompassing both use of latent political power (make demands of prosecutors and judges or run your own candidate; don't vote for a presidential candidate unless they acknowledge your demands; vote the school board out; invite new candidates, police chiefs and mayors to come before when they run for office) and latent economic power (move money from your existing bank account; shop only in certain districts; encourage Black athletes not to "show up for work", given the likely commercial impact of such disruption). I mention both, though it's clear he's trying to shift the conversation towards the latter.

He even helpfully sums both lines of attack up in slogans during the interview. On the political side: "Wake up the political establishment!" and "Whoever you vote for, demand something!" And, on the economic side: "Take your money!" and "Fight this system by what it understands best: economics!" Seems abundantly clear to me. I hear nothing in there about 'targeting police' in the seven concrete strategies I've listed, and still less of the stereotypical talk of "real niggaz" you've chosen to sum up the argument with.

[Edited 7/13/16 3:48am]



Killer Mike is pretty stupid, but not stupid enough not to know what his rhetoric is fueling. He knows what he's doing. From Killer Mike to Snopp Dogg to Jesse Williams there was a barrage of rhetoric that fueled the fire in Dallas. And if was Snoop Dogg specifically I was referring to regarding the "real niggaz."

https://www.instagram.com...kM8VPhbQR/

His little stunt with the Game in LA was a nice backpeddle, but he even showed up to that in his crip colors. I don't feel like putting up with that anymore and I don't feel like listening to this fat motherfucker's litany of "largely peaceful" suggestions for retaliating against police after his thinly veiled call for people to "do something." Fuck that.

Listen to the rhetoric he uses and not just the spin he puts on it later to pretend he's not inciting violence. He talks about police murdering people. He frames a non-violent encounter with police as "surviving." Implying that if you're black you are lucky to get out of an encounter with police alive. He calls them abuses. He tells people to get angry and do something. To prevent police from murdering any more black men. That's the kind of rhetoric that makes people think it's justifiable to attack police officers.
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So you do look for lines to read between and can interpret speech beyond the literal presentation. Because when the shoe is on the other foot, you do not seem to believe in nuanced speech or how it could incite violence and/or racism. You appear to reject anything that isn't IYO definitive proof in literal words. I'm not even disagreeing. Just pointing out a huge double standard in how you seem to apply your logic.
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Reply #8 posted 07/13/16 6:48am

DarlingDiana

Horsefeathers said:

DarlingDiana said:



Killer Mike is pretty stupid, but not stupid enough not to know what his rhetoric is fueling. He knows what he's doing. From Killer Mike to Snopp Dogg to Jesse Williams there was a barrage of rhetoric that fueled the fire in Dallas. And if was Snoop Dogg specifically I was referring to regarding the "real niggaz."

https://www.instagram.com...kM8VPhbQR/

His little stunt with the Game in LA was a nice backpeddle, but he even showed up to that in his crip colors. I don't feel like putting up with that anymore and I don't feel like listening to this fat motherfucker's litany of "largely peaceful" suggestions for retaliating against police after his thinly veiled call for people to "do something." Fuck that.

Listen to the rhetoric he uses and not just the spin he puts on it later to pretend he's not inciting violence. He talks about police murdering people. He frames a non-violent encounter with police as "surviving." Implying that if you're black you are lucky to get out of an encounter with police alive. He calls them abuses. He tells people to get angry and do something. To prevent police from murdering any more black men. That's the kind of rhetoric that makes people think it's justifiable to attack police officers.
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So you do look for lines to read between and can interpret speech beyond the literal presentation. Because when the shoe is on the other foot, you do not seem to believe in nuanced speech or how it could incite violence and/or racism. You appear to reject anything that isn't IYO definitive proof in literal words. I'm not even disagreeing. Just pointing out a huge double standard in how you seem to apply your logic.


Such as?
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Reply #9 posted 07/13/16 6:51am

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Some folks are just shitting in their pants and getting diarrhea, because many Americans are finally waking up and speaking out against the years of police brutality, bad cops' abuses towards the Black community, and even some police officers are exposing the corruption within many police depts. The protests are going to continue regardless how much the media tries to tune them out.

The media needs to invite Jane Elliot to do a few town hall meetings, so she could educate more Americans on how the system mindf****d them, by selling Americans the greatest lie ever sold about race.
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Reply #10 posted 07/13/16 7:04am

DarlingDiana

2elijah said:

Some folks are just shitting in their pants and getting diarrhea, because many Americans are finally waking up and speaking out against the years of police brutality, bad cops' abuses towards the Black community, and even some police officers are exposing the corruption within many police depts. The protests are going to continue regardless how much the media tries to tune them out.

The media needs to invite Jane Elliot to do a few town hall meetings, so she could educate more Americans on how the system mindf****d them, by selling Americans the greatest lie ever sold about race.
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What do you mean finally? People have been spouting this nonsense for years. And the media is on board with it. They love this shit.
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Reply #11 posted 07/13/16 8:41am

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DarlingDiana said:

2elijah said:

Some folks are just shitting in their pants and getting diarrhea, because many Americans are finally waking up and speaking out against the years of police brutality, bad cops' abuses towards the Black community, and even some police officers are exposing the corruption within many police depts. The protests are going to continue regardless how much the media tries to tune them out.

The media needs to invite Jane Elliot to do a few town hall meetings, so she could educate more Americans on how the system mindf****d them, by selling Americans the greatest lie ever sold about race.
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What do you mean finally? People have been spouting this nonsense for years. And the media is on board with it. They love this shit.


Lol, so to you Americans raising awareness of race issues in America is nonsense? The media has not been on board and has not done a good job in using their service, as a major, national platform, to educate Americans on the history of racism, which led to institutional racism, and the intentions behind why the system of racism was used as a tool to control the masses, and maintain racial, economic, class and political division.

That is the system by which the powers that be controlled this country, from the time the European immigrants landed here, and took complete control over it, and used slavery (free and enforced labor), to build America's foundation, while maintaining a racial division between the enslaved vs the free, including creating a class/economic division by wealthy vs poor.

In present day, America is still using part of that same, divisive system of the past, which is a major contributor to America's modern-day, societal ills. Time for a major change, and to educate Americans that it's time to eradicate, the racist teachings about the existence of a fantasized, superior race, which has actually, never existed. They need to tell the truth as to why those teachings were taught, as a tool to keep a specific racial group in power, by providing entitlements and privileges, to one group, while denying those same entitlements/privileges to other groups within the population. That type of control led to the birth of racial discrimination laws, which was just another form of slavery, control, racial hatred and division.

Today, some would like to keep it that way. Informed Americans cannot allow that to continue. America's demographics has changed, and there are many who are very angry about that. The media is a major and powerful communication force with the ability to reach the masses. The media could be a real, influential force and contributor, in helping to educate and change minds and societal situations, attitudes for the better, in this country and worldwide.


So to that I say... Jane Elliot.. Keep telling that truth!
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DarlingDiana said:

Horsefeathers said:



So you do look for lines to read between and can interpret speech beyond the literal presentation. Because when the shoe is on the other foot, you do not seem to believe in nuanced speech or how it could incite violence and/or racism. You appear to reject anything that isn't IYO definitive proof in literal words. I'm not even disagreeing. Just pointing out a huge double standard in how you seem to apply your logic.


Such as?


Very generally, such as the many times people have said exactly this about Trump (violent rhetoric, he knows what he's doing) and you've dismissed it as nonexistent because there was no concrete proof since he didn't specifically say it. You are very dismissive of others when they say exactly what you said with regard to violent/racist rhetoric, and very frequently basically deny that it exists without definitive concrete proof in literal words. Actually, it seems to be quite a cause for you to hold feet to fire and demand concrete proof and exact words when people talk about their own observations of other violent or racist rhetoric. And now you're making those same assumptions based on the same "evidence" you dismiss from others.
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I remember Jane on Oprah years ago. They divided the audience, unaware of the audience themselves, up by eye color. Jane sat on the stage, and as Oprah interviewed her, she started rattling stupid things about green eyed people, or brown eyed people. It seemed stupid, but she knew what she was doing. After a bit of huff n' puff from the audience, and a lot of pissed off soccer moms, the truth was revealed.

It was so confused by it, and being younger, it still didn't quite sink in. I remember the illustration about "nude" pantyhose being targeted to white women because a black woman wearing "nude" would wear "coffee" or "black". It was only nude for white people. Years later, I re-discovered, and having lived some life by that point - she changed my life.

Since then, I've watched so many of her teachings, and seminars. I've seen frustrated white girls run out of a classroom because their white privilege gets a checkmate before lunch. If anyone's words ever define the difference between Black Lives Matter, and the white-washed All Lives Matter, it's Jane's words.

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I remember Jane on Oprah years ago. They divided the audience, unaware of the audience themselves, up by eye color. Jane sat on the stage, and as Oprah interviewed her, she started rattling stupid things about green eyed people, or brown eyed people. It seemed stupid, but she knew what she was doing. After a bit of huff n' puff from the audience, and a lot of pissed off soccer moms, the truth was revealed.

It was so confused by it, and being younger, it still didn't quite sink in. I remember the illustration about "nude" pantyhose being targeted to white women because a black woman wearing "nude" would wear "coffee" or "black". It was only nude for white people. Years later, I re-discovered, and having lived some life by that point - she changed my life.

Since then, I've watched so many of her teachings, and seminars. I've seen frustrated white girls run out of a classroom because their white privilege gets a checkmate before lunch. If anyone's words ever define the difference between Black Lives Matter, and the white-washed All Lives Matter, it's Jane's words.

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TrivialPursuit said:

I remember Jane on Oprah years ago. They divided the audience, unaware of the audience themselves, up by eye color. Jane sat on the stage, and as Oprah interviewed her, she started rattling stupid things about green eyed people, or brown eyed people. It seemed stupid, but she knew what she was doing. After a bit of huff n' puff from the audience, and a lot of pissed off soccer moms, the truth was revealed.

It was so confused by it, and being younger, it still didn't quite sink in. I remember the illustration about "nude" pantyhose being targeted to white women because a black woman wearing "nude" would wear "coffee" or "black". It was only nude for white people. Years later, I re-discovered, and having lived some life by that point - she changed my life.

Since then, I've watched so many of her teachings, and seminars. I've seen frustrated white girls run out of a classroom because their white privilege gets a checkmate before lunch. If anyone's words ever define the difference between Black Lives Matter, and the white-washed All Lives Matter, it's Jane's words.






Thank you for that. It's a big difference from some of the hateful and deceitful rhetoric some display here towards that statement 'Black Lives Matter'. Some seem to have amnesia about America's long history of racism and slavery. The BLM term is a reminder for Americans to remember that the police killings of unarmed Blacks, reflects similarities of the past, where bounty hunters tracked down Blacks that ran from the chains of slavery, and freed Blacks who went North, and were kidnapped and brought back to the horrors of slavery

Jane has tried for years to teach her own white community, that white supremacy teachings is a lie, and how her people were bamboozled/brainwashed for generations believing that fallacy. She makes it clear that those beliefs were born out of the white community, and they are the ones responsible for eradicating those racist beliefs. It is not the responsibility of the Black community to eradicate a racist system they did not create in this country. But you have many whites today who refuse or wi argue tooth and nail, and try to justify the murders of thousands of unarmed and innocent Blacks men/women/children,nwho died in the hands of poliece, and they will viciously and callously degrade the victim and blame the victims for the cause of their deaths, and hail the killer cops, and put them on 'hero' status for killing Blacks. I think one example is how the cops treated a mass murderer/domestic terrorist, Dylan Roof, when the police who arrested him, took the son-of-a-bitch for a meal, let him live, while the dead bodies of his victims layer cold in a morgue, but blew up the body of mass murderer/domestic terrorist, Micah Johnson. See the difference here? That's America for you.


I applaud Jane and others like her for exposing the ugly and harsh truths, about racism in this country and exposing white supremacy teachings as a false belief.
A system that continues to mindf*ck and seduce l the ignorant, and destroy lives all over the world. It is sad when you see ignorant Americans supporting such a fallacy. Thanks again for your input.
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Reply #16 posted 07/14/16 5:46am

DarlingDiana

Horsefeathers said:

DarlingDiana said:



Such as?


Very generally, such as the many times people have said exactly this about Trump (violent rhetoric, he knows what he's doing) and you've dismissed it as nonexistent because there was no concrete proof since he didn't specifically say it. You are very dismissive of others when they say exactly what you said with regard to violent/racist rhetoric, and very frequently basically deny that it exists without definitive concrete proof in literal words. Actually, it seems to be quite a cause for you to hold feet to fire and demand concrete proof and exact words when people talk about their own observations of other violent or racist rhetoric. And now you're making those same assumptions based on the same "evidence" you dismiss from others.


Of course I hold people's feet to the fire and demand proof. I expect the same. And the same was demanded of me and I gave actual examples, including video, of what I was referring to. If people find what I cite is insufficient that's fair play. I'll take it. And the next time they say Trump uses racist rhetoric then yes I will ask for just one example.
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Keep telling that truth Jane. Some may hate you for it, but that's because they fear the reality of that truth.

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Reply #18 posted 07/14/16 6:08am

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DarlingDiana said:

Horsefeathers said:



Very generally, such as the many times people have said exactly this about Trump (violent rhetoric, he knows what he's doing) and you've dismissed it as nonexistent because there was no concrete proof since he didn't specifically say it. You are very dismissive of others when they say exactly what you said with regard to violent/racist rhetoric, and very frequently basically deny that it exists without definitive concrete proof in literal words. Actually, it seems to be quite a cause for you to hold feet to fire and demand concrete proof and exact words when people talk about their own observations of other violent or racist rhetoric. And now you're making those same assumptions based on the same "evidence" you dismiss from others.


Of course I hold people's feet to the fire and demand proof. I expect the same. And the same was demanded of me and I gave actual examples, including video, of what I was referring to. If people find what I cite is insufficient that's fair play. I'll take it. And the next time they say Trump uses racist rhetoric then yes I will ask for just one example.


Right. My only point is that you are willing to cite personal interpretation and intuition as proof while not accepting that from others. It's not worth it enough to argue about the details of why one person's subjective "proof" is more valuable than another's. Just an interesting observation is all.
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Reply #19 posted 07/14/16 7:22am

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DarlingDiana said:



Of course I hold people's feet to the fire and demand proof. I expect the same. And the same was demanded of me and I gave actual examples, including video, of what I was referring to. If people find what I cite is insufficient that's fair play. I'll take it. And the next time they say Trump uses racist rhetoric then yes I will ask for just one example.


Right. My only point is that you are willing to cite personal interpretation and intuition as proof while not accepting that from others. It's not worth it enough to argue about the details of why one person's subjective "proof" is more valuable than another's. Just an interesting observation is all.


Ok. I'll take that on board.
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Reply #20 posted 07/14/16 7:27am

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Trump really put hate in Diana's heart. Mike has a right to be mad. I've advocated black banks years ago. Back in the day whites burned them down.

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Reply #21 posted 07/14/16 7:32am

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There is a recent study that says extremism in people is mostly because of boredom. Yes, boredom. People who have boring lives and see no meaning latch onto crazy politics or culture. Looks at Diana and OnlyNDA. Bored Americans 4 extremism.

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Reply #22 posted 07/14/16 7:36am

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[Snip - luv4u]

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Reply #23 posted 07/14/16 12:31pm

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Jane Elliot would be proud..

As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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Reply #24 posted 07/14/16 12:40pm

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Thom Hartmann slammed the NY Times article on that police bias report. The fucking cops gave Harvard the numbers in the study!! Like that Rodeo?

This is your Fox news America:

https://video.foxnews.com...show-clips

Assdickfuckholes, the shooter was not a member of BLM. The dna of BLM. What the fuck does that shit mean?

Juan Williams, that uncle tom disgrace.

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Reply #25 posted 07/14/16 12:40pm

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"We need healing." Suck my dick Tom. No, we need anarchy.

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Reply #26 posted 07/14/16 12:41pm

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You get healing after justice. ha

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Reply #27 posted 07/14/16 3:02pm

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How did you come to the false conclusion that I'm "extreme"? eek

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Reply #28 posted 07/15/16 7:16am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Thom Hartmann slammed the NY Times article on that police bias report. The fucking cops gave Harvard the numbers in the study!! Like that Rodeo?



This is your Fox news America:



https://video.foxnews.com...show-clips



Assdickfuckholes, the shooter was not a member of BLM. The dna of BLM. What the fuck does that shit mean?



Juan Williams, that uncle tom disgrace.


He's a paid Tom.
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Reply #29 posted 07/15/16 7:37am

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