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Thread started 06/24/18 5:20pm

dancerella

Trapped...The state of Hip Hop

It seems almost every since rap song recorded in the past five years or so, has been in the style of Trap. The style in which they rap in, (triplets) has been adopted by not only rappers, but even singers are doing it too. I wonder how much longer rap will continue to stay in this stagnant state? Is rap trapped or will it eventually move on?
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Reply #1 posted 06/24/18 7:22pm

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A Trap in and of itself... razz

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But you don't have to be.
Darkness gathers around the light...
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Reply #2 posted 06/24/18 7:41pm

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The forefathers who formed, shaped, developed, orginated hip-hop during the late 70s, they knew they were sitting on something special.....they knew it

They issued a warning and said if Hip Hop/Rap music was ever commercialized, it would be destroyed

and some 40 years later, those forefathers were right on the money...

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Reply #3 posted 06/24/18 8:20pm

MickyDolenz

dancerella said:

It seems almost every since rap song recorded in the past five years or so, has been in the style of Trap.

Isn't that around the same amount of time the crunk era lasted and also T-Pain autotune, Akon, & a lot of songs having a Lil Wayne feature lol

excited hell yeah GIF by Lil Jon

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Reply #4 posted 06/24/18 9:38pm

dancerella

MickyDolenz said:



dancerella said:


It seems almost every since rap song recorded in the past five years or so, has been in the style of Trap.

Isn't that around the same amount of time the crunk era lasted and also T-Pain autotune, Akon, & a lot of songs having a Lil Wayne feature lol


excited hell yeah GIF by Lil Jon




I could be wrong but I think that era phased out maybe 8-10 years ago. Trap seems to be holding steady now.
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Reply #5 posted 06/24/18 11:23pm

MickyDolenz

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I could be wrong but I think that era phased out maybe 8-10 years ago. Trap seems to be holding steady now.

I meant it lasted around 5 years in popularity, not the time period it was hot.

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Reply #6 posted 06/25/18 1:47am

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MickyDolenz said:

dancerella said:

It seems almost every since rap song recorded in the past five years or so, has been in the style of Trap.

Isn't that around the same amount of time the crunk era lasted and also T-Pain autotune, Akon, & a lot of songs having a Lil Wayne feature lol

excited hell yeah GIF by Lil Jon

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Reply #7 posted 06/25/18 6:10am

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Trap has peaked in the past 2 years with the likes of Migos and Cardi B reaching the top of the charts. Once something peaks the downward spiral is quicker than it's upward swing.
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Reply #8 posted 06/25/18 7:54am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Trap has peaked in the past 2 years with the likes of Migos and Cardi B reaching the top of the charts. Once something peaks the downward spiral is quicker than it's upward swing.


Yeah I would say if you are a trap producer, get your coins while you can. It will change soon.

I am hoping for a turn to different original drum machine sounds other than the 808. smile

Maybe Prince's estate will finally approve a shit tonne of samples razz

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Reply #9 posted 06/25/18 9:23am

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Cinny said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Trap has peaked in the past 2 years with the likes of Migos and Cardi B reaching the top of the charts. Once something peaks the downward spiral is quicker than it's upward swing.


Yeah I would say if you are a trap producer, get your coins while you can. It will change soon.

I am hoping for a turn to different original drum machine sounds other than the 808. smile

Maybe Prince's estate will finally approve a shit tonne of samples razz


Once everyone hops on the train you know the ride is almost over. By 2020 something new will be developing. I see a slower grooved Hip-Hop coming along. Trap is somewhat high paced with speedy hi-hats and fast drum loops. Mello Rap, lol.
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Reply #10 posted 06/25/18 9:15pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinny said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Trap has peaked in the past 2 years with the likes of Migos and Cardi B reaching the top of the charts. Once something peaks the downward spiral is quicker than it's upward swing.


Yeah I would say if you are a trap producer, get your coins while you can. It will change soon.

I am hoping for a turn to different original drum machine sounds other than the 808. smile

Maybe Prince's estate will finally approve a shit tonne of samples razz


Once everyone hops on the train you know the ride is almost over. By 2020 something new will be developing. I see a slower grooved Hip-Hop coming along. Trap is somewhat high paced with speedy hi-hats and fast drum loops. Mello Rap, lol.



I guess it's like when disco and new wave became popular. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I'm ready for Trap to be on its way out. Everyone sounds too much a like.
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Reply #11 posted 06/26/18 6:21am

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dancerella said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:


Once everyone hops on the train you know the ride is almost over. By 2020 something new will be developing. I see a slower grooved Hip-Hop coming along. Trap is somewhat high paced with speedy hi-hats and fast drum loops. Mello Rap, lol.



I guess it's like when disco and new wave became popular. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I'm ready for Trap to be on its way out. Everyone sounds too much a like.

Disco peaked in 78 and by end of 79, Disco Sucks was in.
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Reply #12 posted 06/26/18 8:55am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Disco peaked in 78 and by end of 79, Disco Sucks was in.

That was started by white rock fans who didn't like that disco was really popular and caused some AOR ststaions to change to a disco format. The rock fans protested. It didn't really have anything to do with disco fans getting tired of listening to disco. Many Top 40 stations mostly stopped playing anything that could be considered disco, including R&B, for a few years in the early 1980s. Technically, disco didn't really go away, it was retitled "dance music", "new wave", & "house music" in the 1980s. The 1980s is when 12" remix singles became a big thing. Duran Duran said that Chic was an influence on their music. Nile Rodgers later did the remix for The Reflex and also worked with Madonna & David Bowie.

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Reply #13 posted 06/26/18 9:33am

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MickyDolenz said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Disco peaked in 78 and by end of 79, Disco Sucks was in.

That was started by white rock fans who didn't like that disco was really popular and caused some AOR ststaions to change to a disco format. The rock fans protested. It didn't really have anything to do with disco fans getting tired of listening to disco. Many Top 40 stations mostly stopped playing anything that could be considered disco, including R&B, for a few years in the early 1980s. Technically, disco didn't really go away, it was retitled "dance music", "new wave", & "house music" in the 1980s. The 1980s is when 12" remix singles became a big thing. Duran Duran said that Chic was an influence on their music. Nile Rodgers later did the remix for The Reflex and also worked with Madonna & David Bowie.


Nothin really goes away, it just evolves. Just like the mentioned TRAP music is crunk music from 8-10 years ago.
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Reply #14 posted 06/26/18 10:24am

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Nothin really goes away, it just evolves. Just like the mentioned TRAP music is crunk music from 8-10 years ago.

Disco lost popularity in the mainstream mainly because many Top 40 stations stopped playing it all of a sudden after the riot at the baseball game. It didn't die off gradually like glam metal or New Jack Swing because of saturation. Top 40 is the format that generally determines what is mainstream popular. Top 40 playing it is how disco started to become popular with mainstream audiences in the first place, becasue certain radio DJs heard it being played in clubs. A writer from Rolling Stone at the time (who was a fan of disco) said he had a hard time getting to write about disco in the magazine because Jann Wenner didn't like or understand it and didn't really want it featured in RS. Rolling Stone was primarily a rock music magazine in the 1970s, although it wrote about other genres.

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Reply #15 posted 06/26/18 1:31pm

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To paraphrase Boogie Down Productions, "I'm Still #1," . . . rap as a whole . . . is damn near 50 years old.

Mainstream rap has repeated itself thematically and sonically for decades.

To a degree, maybe underground hip-hop has too.

But the places and people that gave us jazz, blues, rock and roll and hip-hop haven't given us any new sound to take hip-hop's place at the top of the heap.

So expect more of the same for a while to come.

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Reply #16 posted 06/26/18 1:59pm

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namepeace said:

To paraphrase Boogie Down Productions, "I'm Still #1," . . . rap as a whole . . . is damn near 50 years old.


Even in this time, Kris will say a rhyme
A brand new style

Ruthless and wild

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Reply #17 posted 06/26/18 2:25pm

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namepeace said:

To paraphrase Boogie Down Productions, "I'm Still #1," . . . rap as a whole . . . is damn near 50 years old.

Mainstream rap has repeated itself thematically and sonically for decades.

To a degree, maybe underground hip-hop has too.

But the places and people that gave us jazz, blues, rock and roll and hip-hop haven't given us any new sound to take hip-hop's place at the top of the heap.

So expect more of the same for a while to come.



Since instruments have went away it will be hard for a new sound to come about.

SOMETHING wild has to happen. Bring back horns and strings to music? Hip-Hop Orchestra.
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Reply #18 posted 06/26/18 3:02pm

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Samples left, except for the few producers that can sell and can still pay for them.

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Reply #19 posted 06/27/18 6:44am

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Cinny said:

Samples left, except for the few producers that can sell and can still pay for them.


I've heard more samples in the past 5 years than in the previous 5-10 before that.
Hell last year at the same time, Tony Toni Tone "Whatever You Want" was sampled 2 different times for 2 different hit singles by DJ Luke Nasty (not that Luke lol) and Meek Mill.
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Reply #20 posted 06/27/18 1:20pm

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Trap slowly kicked dubstep / party rap out the door, now none of those rappers like Florida, LMFAO, or Pitbull are firing up the charts like before.


It is kinda unpredictable...seeing the fall of Drake and Niki Minaj unraveling...who knows whats gonna happen. This is why hip hop has been the most interesting style of music than the others as it changes every 5-10 years usually because it is youth dominated.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #21 posted 06/27/18 1:31pm

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who knows whats gonna happen. This is why hip hop has been the most interesting style of music than the others as it changes every 5-10 years usually because it is youth dominated.

I'm surprised jerkin' didn't really become a thing a few years ago. I don't see hick hop hitting the mainstream because of the rebel flag imagery a lot of them use. Also things like muddin' which the average city person probably doesn't relate to.

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Reply #22 posted 06/28/18 3:48pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Bring back horns and strings to music? Hip-Hop Orchestra.

Isn't that kind of what Hypnotic Brass Ensemble does? Their music is mostly instrumental though.


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Reply #23 posted 06/28/18 3:57pm

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MickyDolenz said:

paisleypark4 said:

who knows whats gonna happen. This is why hip hop has been the most interesting style of music than the others as it changes every 5-10 years usually because it is youth dominated.

I'm surprised jerkin' didn't really become a thing a few years ago. I don't see hick hop hitting the mainstream because of the rebel flag imagery a lot of them use. Also things like muddin' which the average city person probably doesn't relate to.


Hmm maybe. Reggaeton is becoming more appreciated lately. We may see much more of that.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #24 posted 06/28/18 4:06pm

MickyDolenz

Reggaeton is kinda old isn't it? I remember Gasolina being a big thing years ago.

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Reply #25 posted 06/29/18 12:11pm

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MickyDolenz said:

Reggaeton is kinda old isn't it? I remember Gasolina being a big thing years ago.

True, but that J Balvin came out and shot up the charts this year too. Drake's "One Dance" also went #1 with 4 million in sales US. "Mi Gente" #19 with 2 million in sales US. Despacito by Luis Fonsi also went #1 with over 2 million US.

People want that reggaeton back.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #26 posted 06/29/18 1:21pm

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True, but that J Balvin came out and shot up the charts this year too. Drake's "One Dance" also went #1 with 4 million in sales US. "Mi Gente" #19 with 2 million in sales US. Despacito by Luis Fonsi also went #1 with over 2 million US.

People want that reggaeton back.

I think the first time reggaeton was more popular with Latinos than Top 40, especially since the songs were usually in Spanish. The Latino audience is a big one, don't really have to sing in English to be popular. There's several local Spanish language music stations now, around 10 or so, when in the 80s & 90s there were 2 or 3 on AM only.

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Reply #27 posted 06/30/18 8:53pm

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Scorp said:

The forefathers who formed, shaped, developed, orginated hip-hop during the late 70s, they knew they were sitting on something special.....they knew it

They issued a warning and said if Hip Hop/Rap music was ever commercialized, it would be destroyed

and some 40 years later, those forefathers were right on the money...

I'm not sure how a kid in the 80s could still relate or listen to what is cuurent now. Kurtis, Flash, Melle Mel, DMC, LL, PE, Beasties, NWA and even 2 Live crew (for the comedy!) are so far removed from what is out now, might as well be a different genre. I'll bet most of those forefathers are listening to love songs with their lovers these days.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #28 posted 07/02/18 8:28am

namepeace

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

Since instruments have went away it will be hard for a new sound to come about.

SOMETHING wild has to happen. . . .


We don't necessarily know that. Technology has made it easier for creative types to innovate.

But you'r right -- just like Herc et al. created a new sound by just making new rules, it will need to happen again before hip-hop gives way.

But history says that inevitably it will happen.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #29 posted 07/02/18 1:40pm

Germanegro

Cinny said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Trap has peaked in the past 2 years with the likes of Migos and Cardi B reaching the top of the charts. Once something peaks the downward spiral is quicker than it's upward swing.


Yeah I would say if you are a trap producer, get your coins while you can. It will change soon.

I am hoping for a turn to different original drum machine sounds other than the 808. smile

Maybe Prince's estate will finally approve a shit tonne of samples razz

Eff that! Let the DJ's learn to play some bongo & percussion and work on programming a Linn to make vintage-souding beats.

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