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Reply #30 posted 06/07/18 3:48pm

Musician9

Astasheiks said:



Musician9 said:




TheFman said:



heh biggrin well... I guess that often it's true, perhaps I could say it's even true by definition. While any of the ones you're mentioning surely can make a guitar cry in the vain Prince does, perhaps they've chosen not to go there and stay 'technically perfect' instead - like: faster, clearer, more complex. But that doesn't mean that one is 'better' than the other, to the listener.
Actually, imo, much more often those technically 'less' players - Prince, Santana, .. - come up with much more interesting and enjoyable riffs, solo's, melodies, bridges, etc. Maybe because they need to impress in another way, maybe because of whatever other reason.
Personally, Eruption is cacaphony to my ears and totally not enjoyable.
I'd like to know your opinion on SRV actually.



Love SRV, again, another master of his craft. Damn shame he was taken from us like that, we can only imagine where he would have gone with his playing over the next 30 years. But like Jimi, he left enough to keep people studying his licks and techniques. Also, this isn't me bashing Prince, he was a good player, not a great one IMO, and I've followed him from 1999 onwards. He got better but I don't see anything incredible like other Orgers, just like you don't like Eruption, I can't hate you and say you have no taste, it's just not your cup of tea. P was lke a lot of players, same old licks in pentatonic, same old boxes on the neck, 2 notes per string up 3 strings, for a brief run at the end of every solo ad nauseum. His live solos are all the same, plus activating every BOSS pedal known to man to cover missed notes, come on, he couldn't play without a flange, phaser, delay, distortion, wah, and God knows what else turned on. I'm a guitarist, I know his tricks, I've used them too, they're quite simple, and he never broke free from his pedalboard, at the ened I saw his live rig, looked like the bridge of the Enterprise, a great player doesn't need that many pedals, not even Vai or Satriani use that many live. Glad you like Stevie though, he was trained by another blues pioneer Albert King. See, P's no pioneer on guitar, overall in music and composition, yes, on a single instrument, not even close, and that's the argument here, to my mind...




I wonder how a good player sells around 100 Million records???


How many have you sold? razz lol I see you take the time out to do alot of P bashing around here.



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rogifan said:


Musician9 said:


Elton John has composed scores for full-blown musicals and Billy Joel released a classical album for piano and orchestra called Fantasies & Delusions in 2003. I own it and Prince could never compose something of that calibre, his field is pop music with bits of r&b, funk and rock, even his forays into jazz were simplistic at best. But he's better than the average pop musician, I guess, which is really the measuring stick here, just like he was an average guitarist IMO, but better than other pop stars, not true guitarists.



Rogifan said, Not better than true guitarists. icon_disbelief.gif

Guitarhero said, Rogifan this guy is a troll, probably a failed musician a no body in the world of music. You can see the jealousy in some of his posts. If you credit Prince with being even good at something he will accuse you idol worship for Prince. Probably thinks he is also a average bass player, dancer, singer, writer and producer. Nothing this guy says is worth replying too. He has lost all credit with saying Prince is a average guitar player. PLEASE! icon_dunce.gif When it comes to Princes's guitar playing i will only listen to what his guitar playing peers say, which i have found mostly positive. I have also seen many great guitar players live and Prince was one of the best. Oh no i will be accused of idol worshiping Prince. Damn.


[Edited 6/6/18 14:16pm]


You need a hobby, maybe ask a girl out instead of taking opinions to heart so heavily, or learn guitar...
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Reply #31 posted 06/07/18 11:30pm

JorisE73

Astasheiks said:

Musician9 said:

Rogifan said, Not better than true guitarists. icon_disbelief.gif

Guitarhero said, Rogifan this guy is a troll, probably a failed musician a no body in the world of music. You can see the jealousy in some of his posts. If you credit Prince with being even good at something he will accuse you idol worship for Prince. Probably thinks he is also a average bass player, dancer, singer, writer and producer. Nothing this guy says is worth replying too. He has lost all credit with saying Prince is a average guitar player. PLEASE! icon_dunce.gif When it comes to Princes's guitar playing i will only listen to what his guitar playing peers say, which i have found mostly positive. I have also seen many great guitar players live and Prince was one of the best. Oh no i will be accused of idol worshiping Prince. Damn.

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What a sad world we live in that people are labeled a troll for having a different opinion and what makes them tick musically.
Musician9 is obviously someone who is passionate about the technical aspects of music and that passion creates vibes and emotions for him, why call him a troll for that?
I have the same for Prince's playing, it's all just what people feel.

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Reply #32 posted 06/08/18 11:51am

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You guys are cracking me up. Y'all remind me of the scene at the end of "Crossroads" where Ralph Macchio has to beat the devil's guitarist (Steve Vai) and does it by playing classical licks that Vai can't replicate.

As if! But it was an entertaining movie.

Prince used the gear he thought he needed to get the sound he wanted. I'd say he was successful.

No offense to musician9 but when pro after pro after pro comes out on the record as saying Prince was one of the greatest guitarists, that's good enough for me.

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Reply #33 posted 06/08/18 1:08pm

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RodeoSchro said:

You guys are cracking me up. Y'all remind me of the scene at the end of "Crossroads" where Ralph Macchio has to beat the devil's guitarist (Steve Vai) and does it by playing classical licks that Vai can't replicate.

As if! But it was an entertaining movie.

Prince used the gear he thought he needed to get the sound he wanted. I'd say he was successful.

No offense to musician9 but when pro after pro after pro comes out on the record as saying Prince was one of the greatest guitarists, that's good enough for me.

listen, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, clearly they think he's the greatest, wonderful, I'm pointing out why I and I alone disagree, end of story, but the sycophants on here can't deal with it, they worship at the altar, and I don't care what his peers say, nobody truly says what they think anyway, and when EVH eventually dies, as much as I love his playing and career, I'm not going to light candles on the anniversary of his death and build a shrine to him in the basement where I bow to his image like a deity. He's just a person, not a family member, or a friend to me just a guitar hero, I live an extremely fulfilling life and if you notice I only comment on topics where I'd like to chat with other musicians, but sadly it seems so few P fans can actually play an instrument...

[Edited 6/8/18 13:09pm]

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Reply #34 posted 06/09/18 7:39am

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Musician9 said:

RodeoSchro said:

You guys are cracking me up. Y'all remind me of the scene at the end of "Crossroads" where Ralph Macchio has to beat the devil's guitarist (Steve Vai) and does it by playing classical licks that Vai can't replicate.

As if! But it was an entertaining movie.

Prince used the gear he thought he needed to get the sound he wanted. I'd say he was successful.

No offense to musician9 but when pro after pro after pro comes out on the record as saying Prince was one of the greatest guitarists, that's good enough for me.

listen, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, clearly they think he's the greatest, wonderful, I'm pointing out why I and I alone disagree, end of story, but the sycophants on here can't deal with it, they worship at the altar, and I don't care what his peers say, nobody truly says what they think anyway, and when EVH eventually dies, as much as I love his playing and career, I'm not going to light candles on the anniversary of his death and build a shrine to him in the basement where I bow to his image like a deity. He's just a person, not a family member, or a friend to me just a guitar hero, I live an extremely fulfilling life and if you notice I only comment on topics where I'd like to chat with other musicians, but sadly it seems so few P fans can actually play an instrument...

[Edited 6/8/18 13:09pm]



Which gets us back to the original question (I think, who knows by now?!?) - could Prince play the solo from "Beat It"?

Unless there's something in the vault, we'll never know. I think he could have played it if he wanted, although he'd probably have had to practice a little while because you're right, the solo uses stuff Prince didn't do (in front of us, anyway).

With the exception of Malmstein/Buckethead fingerblisters, I'm of the opinion that most pros could play just about anything anyone else does, given the practice and interest to do so. What makes them great, IMO, isn't technique. As great as the techniques of Vai and Satriani and Bonnamasso(sp) are, they're not guys I listen to because their songs just don't do anything for me.

What makes them great to me is what comes out of the guitar and how it hits me. The two greatest solos I ever heard live were both from Prince: (1) the funk solo on "Controversy" in Houston on August 6, 2004; and (2) the rock solo he played the next night in the same place on "Controversy". I would give anything to hear those again.

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