independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site
Fri 21st Jul 2017 7:44am
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Did Kendrick Lamar steal D'Angelos thunder?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 2 12>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 03/17/17 8:26am

SignOthetimes1
987

Did Kendrick Lamar steal D'Angelos thunder?

D'Angelo put out excellent BM but then came To Pimp A Butterfly a few months

later and, I feel, while playing on so many of the same themes, is miles better.

I still listen a lot to Kendricks album, it's a masterpiece but never BM anymore,

compared to Kendrick it falls short. and thats a damn shame. cuz they're both great.

It's just, Kendrick's album is the truth and thats hard to match.

your thoughts?

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 03/17/17 8:36am

MotownSubdivis
ion

avatar

Black Messiah came out in December 2014 while TPAB dropped the following March, so no.

D'Angelo got all he was going to with BM and neither Kendrick nor whatever hype over the release of TPAB at the time of BM's release have anything to do with that.
[Edited 3/17/17 8:36am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 03/17/17 9:07am

TrivialPursuit

They're apples and oranges, to me. Kendrick isn't crooning a love song, and D'Angelo ain't a hip-hop artist.

The problem is, for whatever reasons that are his own, D'Angelo become more of a myth than a reality. He disappeared, he stopped making music. He only showed up here and there to do one-off shows. People lost interest in many ways, and when he did finally release an album, it was a very, very different musical landscape. That landscape encapsulates the world being a singles market, a digitally altered production mentality, a flash-in-the-pan lifespan for an artist, or their album. People are easily lost in the haze of Spotify or the iTunes store, opposed to going to the record store and going through the CDs. Even retail outlets just throw everything together that isn't country or classical or gospel. You find Kendrick Lamar next to Guns n' Roses, or and Duran Duran next to Rihanna. D'Angelo simply got lost, and was an attempted comeback story. He gave up his spot as the new voice. And everyone vied for that spot.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
http://bit.ly/unboxingprince
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 03/17/17 9:39am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

No shit. Apples and peaches.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 03/17/17 1:46pm

RJOrion

stealing?..what Thunder?...D made a nice album...Kendrick Lamar released his long winded gibberish, months later...one had nothing to do with the other

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 03/17/17 2:29pm

SignOthetimes1
987

Both albums were BLACK. Black lives matter, Black Power, whatever, it was in the air after

shootings in Ferguson and Treyvon Martin. They were black protest albums. you guys are blind.

And D'Angelo is a hiphop artist too.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 03/17/17 5:51pm

MotownSubdivis
ion

avatar

SignOthetimes1987 said:

Both albums were BLACK. Black lives matter, Black Power, whatever, it was in the air after



shootings in Ferguson and Treyvon Martin. They were black protest albums. you guys are blind.


And D'Angelo is a hiphop artist too.

So what does that have to do with K Dot supposedly stealing D'Angelo's thunder?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 03/17/17 5:53pm

SignOthetimes1
987

MotownSubdivision said:

SignOthetimes1987 said:

Both albums were BLACK. Black lives matter, Black Power, whatever, it was in the air after

shootings in Ferguson and Treyvon Martin. They were black protest albums. you guys are blind.

And D'Angelo is a hiphop artist too.

So what does that have to do with K Dot supposedly stealing D'Angelo's thunder?

D'Angelo wanted to be the voice of Black Lives Matter with BM, but Kendrick sort of became

the spokesperson with "Alright".

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 03/17/17 6:19pm

MotownSubdivis
ion

avatar

SignOthetimes1987 said:



MotownSubdivision said:


SignOthetimes1987 said:

Both albums were BLACK. Black lives matter, Black Power, whatever, it was in the air after



shootings in Ferguson and Treyvon Martin. They were black protest albums. you guys are blind.


And D'Angelo is a hiphop artist too.



So what does that have to do with K Dot supposedly stealing D'Angelo's thunder?

D'Angelo wanted to be the voice of Black Lives Matter with BM, but Kendrick sort of became


the spokesperson with "Alright".

BM was released 3 months before TPAB and 7 months before "Alright" was released as a single.

So no.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 03/17/17 6:47pm

Shawy89

avatar

D'Angelo barely wanted a comeback.

Black Messiah was an album that came out, made a buzz for a few weeks, you had SNL, and.... faded.

You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger. - Buddha
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 03/18/17 7:44am

Identity

Black Messiah earned two Grammy Awards -best R&B album and best R&B song for “Really Love.” I wish he would tour more and release new material as often as possible.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 03/18/17 10:47am

luvsexy4all

RJOrion said:

stealing?..what Thunder?...D made a nice album...Kendrick Lamar released his long winded gibberish, months later...one had nothing to do with the other

yep..how can gibberish steal gibberish

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 03/18/17 11:49am

Identity

One man's gibberish is other man's desert island disc.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 03/19/17 8:35am

Dasein

Rap stole R&B's thunder a long time ago.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 03/19/17 11:16am

SignOthetimes1
987

Dasein said:

Rap stole R&B's thunder a long time ago.

true that.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 03/19/17 6:28pm

heathilly

No their in to different genres and dangelo is an older artist. Butterfly is Kendrick second album he's still very much a newcomer.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 03/20/17 8:44am

namepeace

heathilly said:

No their in to different genres and dangelo is an older artist. Butterfly is Kendrick second album he's still very much a newcomer.


True.

But (tentatively) counting Untitled Unmastered, K-Dot has as many album releases in 4 years as D'Angelo has had in 22 years.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 03/20/17 1:46pm

heathilly

namepeace said:



heathilly said:


No their in to different genres and dangelo is an older artist. Butterfly is Kendrick second album he's still very much a newcomer.


True.

But (tentatively) counting Untitled Unmastered, K-Dot has as many album releases in 4 years as D'Angelo has had in 22 years.


Well I don't know if that's laziness or perfectionism either way that's ridiculous if your not like on a mj level.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 03/20/17 1:55pm

namepeace

heathilly said:

namepeace said:


True.

But (tentatively) counting Untitled Unmastered, K-Dot has as many album releases in 4 years as D'Angelo has had in 22 years.

Well I don't know if that's laziness or perfectionism either way that's ridiculous if your not like on a mj level.


A little bit of "this, that and the other" is my guess.

duccichucka (when he was here) convinced me that artists like D'Angelo don't "owe" audiences prolific output.

But there is no doubt that the extended hiatuses D, Maxwell and others took left a void in the music scene for end of the 90s and almost all of the 00's that wasn't completely filled.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 03/20/17 4:00pm

heathilly

namepeace said:



heathilly said:


namepeace said:



True.

But (tentatively) counting Untitled Unmastered, K-Dot has as many album releases in 4 years as D'Angelo has had in 22 years.



Well I don't know if that's laziness or perfectionism either way that's ridiculous if your not like on a mj level.


A little bit of "this, that and the other" is my guess.

duccichucka (when he was here) convinced me that artists like D'Angelo don't "owe" audiences prolific output.

But there is no doubt that the extended hiatuses D, Maxwell and others took left a void in the music scene for end of the 90s and almost all of the 00's that wasn't completely filled.


Well I believe that to be true artist really don't owe the the public anything. Some can be like dangelo or Lauren hill do a little and leave. And some commit their entire life to the art and fans prince mj. I enjoy both but I think it's good for an artist to have the their own personal life. Work life balance you know.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 03/24/17 5:41pm

daingermouz202
0

heathilly said:

namepeace said:



heathilly said:


namepeace said:



True.

But (tentatively) counting Untitled Unmastered, K-Dot has as many album releases in 4 years as D'Angelo has had in 22 years.



Well I don't know if that's laziness or perfectionism either way that's ridiculous if your not like on a mj level.


A little bit of "this, that and the other" is my guess.

duccichucka (when he was here) convinced me that artists like D'Angelo don't "owe" audiences prolific output.

But there is no doubt that the extended hiatuses D, Maxwell and others took left a void in the music scene for end of the 90s and almost all of the 00's that wasn't completely filled.




Well I believe that to be true artist really don't owe the the public anything. Some can be like dangelo or Lauren hill do a little and leave. And some commit their entire life to the art and fans prince mj. I enjoy both but I think it's good for an artist to have the their own personal life. Work life balance you know.





So true.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 03/24/17 7:16pm

babynoz

avatar

SignOthetimes1987 said:

Both albums were BLACK. Black lives matter, Black Power, whatever, it was in the air after

shootings in Ferguson and Treyvon Martin. They were black protest albums. you guys are blind.

And D'Angelo is a hiphop artist too.




Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit
and for that, I am eternally grateful....IDF
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 03/24/17 7:17pm

babynoz

avatar

namepeace said:

heathilly said:

namepeace said: Well I don't know if that's laziness or perfectionism either way that's ridiculous if your not like on a mj level.


A little bit of "this, that and the other" is my guess.

duccichucka (when he was here) convinced me that artists like D'Angelo don't "owe" audiences prolific output.

But there is no doubt that the extended hiatuses D, Maxwell and others took left a void in the music scene for end of the 90s and almost all of the 00's that wasn't completely filled.



D is still here I believe.

[Edited 3/24/17 19:18pm]

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit
and for that, I am eternally grateful....IDF
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 03/24/17 9:21pm

heathilly

SignOthetimes1987 said:

Both albums were BLACK. Black lives matter, Black Power, whatever, it was in the air after

shootings in Ferguson and Treyvon Martin. They were black protest albums. you guys are blind.

And D'Angelo is a hiphop artist too.

Dangelo is not a rapper. And to pimp a butterfly is not a black protest album. From your comment you make broad superficial assupmtions with little grasp of the source material. Try again

[Edited 3/24/17 21:24pm]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 03/24/17 9:37pm

Goddess4Real

avatar

I like both artists......but I play D'Angelo's music alot more than Lamar....especially his live sets. This is my fav at the moment D'Angelo Live @ Montreux Jazz Festival 2000, Voodoo era with The Soulquarians cloud9

[Edited 3/24/17 21:54pm]

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 03/25/17 10:04am

namepeace

babynoz said:

namepeace said:


A little bit of "this, that and the other" is my guess.

duccichucka (when he was here) convinced me that artists like D'Angelo don't "owe" audiences prolific output.

But there is no doubt that the extended hiatuses D, Maxwell and others took left a void in the music scene for end of the 90s and almost all of the 00's that wasn't completely filled.



D is still here I believe.

[Edited 3/24/17 19:18pm]



wink

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 03/25/17 4:52pm

jaawwnn

avatar

I love Black Messiah, like a lot, but the fact is it didn't crossover to a younger audience, it was mostly old D'Angelo fans listening to it. D'Angelo's connections are all old school, someone like Questlove is the youngest. The album was a finely crafted piece of work but it didn't scream modern.

Kendrick on the other hand comes from Compton with hip hop credentials coming out his ears, Pitchfork has been on his side since day 1 as well, that's the whole younger crossover audience right there.

[Edited 3/25/17 16:53pm]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 03/25/17 8:04pm

SignOthetimes1
987

Kendrick in his fictional dialogue with Pac :"there aint nothing but turmoil down here".

D'Angelo expresses much of the same sentiment.

Just look at the album covers too.

Both albums dealt with the struggles of being a Black person in todays society.

How can you guys not see this?

And IMO Kendrick stole all of D'Angelo' thunder even though BM is brillliant too.

But TPAB is a masterpiece, an instant classic.

I wish I was going to Coachella.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 03/25/17 9:27pm

jaawwnn

avatar

SignOthetimes1987 said:

Kendrick in his fictional dialogue with Pac :"there aint nothing but turmoil down here".

D'Angelo expresses much of the same sentiment.

Just look at the album covers too.

Both albums dealt with the struggles of being a Black person in todays society.

How can you guys not see this?

And IMO Kendrick stole all of D'Angelo' thunder even though BM is brillliant too.

But TPAB is a masterpiece, an instant classic.

I wish I was going to Coachella.

we see it.

[Edited 3/25/17 21:27pm]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 03/25/17 10:15pm

SignOthetimes1
987

jaawwnn said:

SignOthetimes1987 said:

Kendrick in his fictional dialogue with Pac :"there aint nothing but turmoil down here".

D'Angelo expresses much of the same sentiment.

Just look at the album covers too.

Both albums dealt with the struggles of being a Black person in todays society.

How can you guys not see this?

And IMO Kendrick stole all of D'Angelo' thunder even though BM is brillliant too.

But TPAB is a masterpiece, an instant classic.

I wish I was going to Coachella.

we see it.

[Edited 3/25/17 21:27pm]

thank you.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 2 12>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Did Kendrick Lamar steal D'Angelos thunder?