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Reply #60 posted 03/14/19 8:58am

Seahorsie

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littlerockjams said:

Throwing my .02 in aa a music instructor, so take that for what you will... The interview quoted above is on video, I’ve seen it myself. So to continue to say that Prince could read music, when he said he couldn’t, is simply saying he was lying for whatever reason. Or, you could imply that you have insider information, which I don’t think the case is either. With that said, there are two types of reading music, basic reading comprehension like Every Good Boy Does Fine, Good Boys Do Fine Always, etc., where you can sus out what the notes are. Then there is the ability to sight read, where your reading chops are so good, you could look at a piece of music and know it/play it as easily as you’re reading this paragraph. That is the reading I think he was referring to as not being able to do, not the basic reading skills (which he did likely pick up in his HS music class). Someone asked a side question about “who wrote down the music then?” I’m guessing for scores, music collections, etc. I’d bet dollars to donuts that absolutely wasn’t Prince. That’s too mundane a task for someone with his level of creativity. Stuff like that falls to people like me. I transcribe songs and notate them daily for students and my own practice. It’s not hard to do, once you’ve developed the skills to do so.

Thanks for your input, LRJ. I think like you do, but that all the mudane task of transcribing it to a little sheet of paper probably did not interest him. He was a "big picture" kind of guy. Right down to the shoes that matched the outfit, and the backdrop scene for each number. He had worker bees to do all that............

Still a freaking artistic genius, however!

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Reply #61 posted 03/14/19 9:06am

Vannormal

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Seahorsie said:

How did a virtual unknown musician from Minnesota that couldn't even read music become a worldwide artist? I think of that sometimes when I am listening to his music with my eyes closed. I mean, I know he knew the basic keys he was starting out in, but most of the time he would just play the songs in his head, or jam with his current band, and music just flowed out. I really do think music is a God-given talent, and P. always acknowleged this. The power of it all still gets me though.........

king dove dove heart

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One thing is sure as hell,

there is no such thing as god.

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Prince was self made.

Was talented, and he had an ear for sound.

Extremely motivated.

Small/tiny.

Good looking.

Poor.

Nothing to lose.

And didn't even trusted his own shadow.

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There ya go!

Perfect cocktail.

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Oh I forgot;

he prefered purple,

he had an enormous respect for all women and skin colours ànd genders, before he got mad with relegion (and lost it nearly somehow).

And he knew how to mix religion and sex, and how to get away with it.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #62 posted 03/14/19 11:53am

benni

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littlerockjams said:

Throwing my .02 in aa a music instructor, so take that for what you will... The interview quoted above is on video, I’ve seen it myself. So to continue to say that Prince could read music, when he said he couldn’t, is simply saying he was lying for whatever reason. Or, you could imply that you have insider information, which I don’t think the case is either. With that said, there are two types of reading music, basic reading comprehension like Every Good Boy Does Fine, Good Boys Do Fine Always, etc., where you can sus out what the notes are. Then there is the ability to sight read, where your reading chops are so good, you could look at a piece of music and know it/play it as easily as you’re reading this paragraph. That is the reading I think he was referring to as not being able to do, not the basic reading skills (which he did likely pick up in his HS music class). Someone asked a side question about “who wrote down the music then?” I’m guessing for scores, music collections, etc. I’d bet dollars to donuts that absolutely wasn’t Prince. That’s too mundane a task for someone with his level of creativity. Stuff like that falls to people like me. I transcribe songs and notate them daily for students and my own practice. It’s not hard to do, once you’ve developed the skills to do so.


Thank you. And that was my point above. I think he had the basics that he got at school, but not anything more than that. As he said in that interview, he had a good ear. Some of the best musicians often play by ear, and only have the fundamentals when it comes to the more complex parts of music that don't necessarily involve playing the music.

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Reply #63 posted 03/14/19 12:20pm

PliablyPurple

I think it's more impressive to be able to play by ear than to read music. I was taught to read music at a young age, but could never play by ear. I had a childhood friend with zero musical upbringing, who could play by ear on keys when we were still kids! And he nailed it. I'm not talking getting close, laying down something that resembles the original piece. No, he would be on point. Makes you wonder about the whole nature v nurture thing. My answer about that is always - a little bit of both!

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Reply #64 posted 03/14/19 4:02pm

rgsince81

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Vannormal said:



Seahorsie said:


How did a virtual unknown musician from Minnesota that couldn't even read music become a worldwide artist? I think of that sometimes when I am listening to his music with my eyes closed. I mean, I know he knew the basic keys he was starting out in, but most of the time he would just play the songs in his head, or jam with his current band, and music just flowed out. I really do think music is a God-given talent, and P. always acknowleged this. The power of it all still gets me though.....


king dove dove heart





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One thing is sure as hell,


there is no such thing as god.


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Prince was self made.


Was talented, and he had an ear for sound.


Extremely motivated.


Small/tiny.


Good looking.


Poor.


Nothing to lose.


And didn't even trusted his own shadow.


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There ya go!


Perfect cocktail.


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Oh I forgot;


he prefered purple,


he had an enormous respect for all women and skin colours ànd genders, before he got mad with relegion (and lost it nearly somehow).


And he knew how to mix religion and sex, and how to get away with it.


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[Edited 3/14/19 9:09am]


There is a God !!!!!
And Prince is a Genius, Period!
Pray Daily!!!!! RIP AMY WINEHOUSE Keep Calm, Carry on
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Reply #65 posted 03/15/19 6:52am

Vannormal

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rgsince81 said:

Vannormal said:

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One thing is sure as hell,

there is no such thing as god.

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[Edited 3/14/19 9:09am]

There is a God !!!!!! And Prince is a Genius, Period!

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Could you ask you're god while praying that he will stop massmurderers from acting like in New Zealand ?

Or stop horrible bone-cancer with little children from happening ?

Thank you so much.

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Peace. Always peace. wink

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[Edited 3/15/19 7:10am]

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #66 posted 03/15/19 1:16pm

peggyon

poppys said:

luvsexy4all said:

stole alot


troll a lot

Agree with both of you...love the wit.

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Reply #67 posted 03/15/19 2:06pm

poppys

benni said:

littlerockjams said:

Throwing my .02 in aa a music instructor, so take that for what you will... The interview quoted above is on video, I’ve seen it myself. So to continue to say that Prince could read music, when he said he couldn’t, is simply saying he was lying for whatever reason. Or, you could imply that you have insider information, which I don’t think the case is either. With that said, there are two types of reading music, basic reading comprehension like Every Good Boy Does Fine, Good Boys Do Fine Always, etc., where you can sus out what the notes are. Then there is the ability to sight read, where your reading chops are so good, you could look at a piece of music and know it/play it as easily as you’re reading this paragraph. That is the reading I think he was referring to as not being able to do, not the basic reading skills (which he did likely pick up in his HS music class). Someone asked a side question about “who wrote down the music then?” I’m guessing for scores, music collections, etc. I’d bet dollars to donuts that absolutely wasn’t Prince. That’s too mundane a task for someone with his level of creativity. Stuff like that falls to people like me. I transcribe songs and notate them daily for students and my own practice. It’s not hard to do, once you’ve developed the skills to do so.


Thank you. And that was my point above. I think he had the basics that he got at school, but not anything more than that. As he said in that interview, he had a good ear. Some of the best musicians often play by ear, and only have the fundamentals when it comes to the more complex parts of music that don't necessarily involve playing the music.


littlerockjams addresses both points very well. Prince could read music, at least on a basic level like I can.

So why make an OP pretending that he didn't? Makes him no less of a genius.

Still, a good discussion came from the topic. Kudos to all my debate partners. peace

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Reply #68 posted 03/15/19 2:13pm

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Reply #69 posted 03/15/19 2:18pm

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Reply #71 posted 03/15/19 2:57pm

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Reply #73 posted 03/15/19 3:04pm

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Reply #75 posted 03/15/19 3:38pm

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Reply #76 posted 03/15/19 11:07pm

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poppys said:

benni said:


Thank you. And that was my point above. I think he had the basics that he got at school, but not anything more than that. As he said in that interview, he had a good ear. Some of the best musicians often play by ear, and only have the fundamentals when it comes to the more complex parts of music that don't necessarily involve playing the music.


littlerockjams addresses both points very well. Prince could read music, at least on a basic level like I can.

So why make an OP pretending that he didn't? Makes him no less of a genius.

Still, a good discussion came from the topic. Kudos to all my debate partners. peace


To me poppys, reading music at the most basic level, isn't really reading music. It's being able to identify a whole note, a half note, an eighth note, etc., but it isn't really reading it. It's not like someone who can pick up sheet music on Bach and be able to understand every nuance that is within the written music. It's the difference between a 1st grader learning to read, "Run, Jane, run" and a grad student picking up Leo Tolstoy's "War And Peace", reading it, understanding it, and being able to write a dissertation on it. The 1st grader is fundamentally reading, but the level of understanding is miniscule. Whereas the grad student is able to discern multiple meanings, indepth understanding, and can disect what they have read to the nth degree. While reading, "Run, Jane, run," is reading, it's not truly grasping what they are reading.

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Reply #77 posted 03/16/19 6:27am

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benni said:

poppys said:


littlerockjams addresses both points very well. Prince could read music, at least on a basic level like I can.

So why make an OP pretending that he didn't? Makes him no less of a genius.

Still, a good discussion came from the topic. Kudos to all my debate partners. peace


To me poppys, reading music at the most basic level, isn't really reading music. It's being able to identify a whole note, a half note, an eighth note, etc., but it isn't really reading it. It's not like someone who can pick up sheet music on Bach and be able to understand every nuance that is within the written music. It's the difference between a 1st grader learning to read, "Run, Jane, run" and a grad student picking up Leo Tolstoy's "War And Peace", reading it, understanding it, and being able to write a dissertation on it. The 1st grader is fundamentally reading, but the level of understanding is miniscule. Whereas the grad student is able to discern multiple meanings, indepth understanding, and can disect what they have read to the nth degree. While reading, "Run, Jane, run," is reading, it's not truly grasping what they are reading.

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Great analogy, very well explained.

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Reply #78 posted 03/16/19 6:31am

poppys

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benni said:


To me poppys, reading music at the most basic level, isn't really reading music. It's being able to identify a whole note, a half note, an eighth note, etc., but it isn't really reading it. It's not like someone who can pick up sheet music on Bach and be able to understand every nuance that is within the written music. It's the difference between a 1st grader learning to read, "Run, Jane, run" and a grad student picking up Leo Tolstoy's "War And Peace", reading it, understanding it, and being able to write a dissertation on it. The 1st grader is fundamentally reading, but the level of understanding is miniscule. Whereas the grad student is able to discern multiple meanings, indepth understanding, and can disect what they have read to the nth degree. While reading, "Run, Jane, run," is reading, it's not truly grasping what they are reading.


Great analogy, very well explained.


Now we are nitpicking what reading music is.

Still doesn't make the OP's characterization of Prince correct from my view. They have not engaged with me even once. I've said what I think, we don't have to agree, it's okay. All speculation anyway.

[Edited 3/16/19 9:26am]

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Reply #79 posted 03/16/19 9:32am

oceanblue

Vannormal said:

rgsince81 said:

Vannormal said: There is a God !!!!!! And Prince is a Genius, Period!

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Could you ask you're god while praying that he will stop massmurderers from acting like in New Zealand ?

Or stop horrible bone-cancer with little children from happening ?

Thank you so much.

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Peace. Always peace. wink

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[Edited 3/15/19 7:10am]

Why don't you ask satan?

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Reply #80 posted 03/16/19 10:33am

purplefam99

KoolEaze said:



benni said:




poppys said:




littlerockjams addresses both points very well. Prince could read music, at least on a basic level like I can.

So why make an OP pretending that he didn't? Makes him no less of a genius.

Still, a good discussion came from the topic. Kudos to all my debate partners. peace




To me poppys, reading music at the most basic level, isn't really reading music. It's being able to identify a whole note, a half note, an eighth note, etc., but it isn't really reading it. It's not like someone who can pick up sheet music on Bach and be able to understand every nuance that is within the written music. It's the difference between a 1st grader learning to read, "Run, Jane, run" and a grad student picking up Leo Tolstoy's "War And Peace", reading it, understanding it, and being able to write a dissertation on it. The 1st grader is fundamentally reading, but the level of understanding is miniscule. Whereas the grad student is able to discern multiple meanings, indepth understanding, and can disect what they have read to the nth degree. While reading, "Run, Jane, run," is reading, it's not truly grasping what they are reading.


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Great analogy, very well explained.



I agree as well, benni you explained it very well.
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Reply #81 posted 03/16/19 10:59am

purplefam99

poppys said:



KoolEaze said:




benni said:




To me poppys, reading music at the most basic level, isn't really reading music. It's being able to identify a whole note, a half note, an eighth note, etc., but it isn't really reading it. It's not like someone who can pick up sheet music on Bach and be able to understand every nuance that is within the written music. It's the difference between a 1st grader learning to read, "Run, Jane, run" and a grad student picking up Leo Tolstoy's "War And Peace", reading it, understanding it, and being able to write a dissertation on it. The 1st grader is fundamentally reading, but the level of understanding is miniscule. Whereas the grad student is able to discern multiple meanings, indepth understanding, and can disect what they have read to the nth degree. While reading, "Run, Jane, run," is reading, it's not truly grasping what they are reading.





Great analogy, very well explained.




Now we are nitpicking what reading music is.

Still doesn't make the OP's characterization of Prince correct from my view. They have not engaged with me even once. I've said what I think, we don't have to agree, it's okay. All speculation anyway.

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Hi poppy’s, I really don’t think benni explanation is nitpicking.
And the OP post supports what Prince said ( he doesn’t read music)
And that his talent came from God. I don’t think it diminishes his light
One bit.
Does anyone recall the story where Prince and his dad were playing music
For Lisa and I guess sort of jamming and prince says to Lisa
“ this is why you don’t need to read music”
I read this after he passed in one of the many books I read after
He passed. I’m sorry I didn’t keep track of the book
Or article. But he says something to that effect to Lisa
Coleman.
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Reply #82 posted 03/16/19 3:13pm

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Pure obsession, a singular vision, sheer talent honed by constant hard work, writing and playing every day (like a fighter training for a match or a basketball player practicing his shot). He was a muscial athelete in a way, Dude just never...stopped...writing and playing.

Not listening to what others told him or giving a fuck what they thought or said. Dressing and acting the way he wanted to. Always keeping people guessing. Challenging his audience and his fan base. Changing up his look and his sound. Challenging the system. Straddling gender lines.

I think one of the real keys was avoiding the spotlight a lot (especially early in his career) and not going all in on reality shows, interviews, talk shows and shit like that as a rule. It built his mystique and kept people from getting tired of him so that when he finally got around to sticking his head back up (Musicology, Super Bowl, American Idol, Grammys), he was still sort of "fresh" in a sense.

He was lucky in a way too. He hit at just the right time and the popularity of MTV I don't think can be understated as contributing to his success. A lot went into it. Sometimes sheer talent and determination aren't enough but you never hear about those that failed.

Timing, courage, self reflection...

Most of it was talent and hard work.

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Reply #83 posted 03/17/19 10:44am

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Extraordinary-talent, hard work, obsession and lack of interest in anything else.

[Edited 3/17/19 10:45am]

"Cuz I've seen the top and it's just a dream"
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Reply #84 posted 03/17/19 12:11pm

peggyon

Agree with above statements. He also had incredible support...talented management team,

"image" professional (Howard Bloom), very competent/hard-working tour manager,Alan Leeds

etc.

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Reply #85 posted 03/17/19 1:11pm

jdcxc

One of his engineers once stated that they never have been around an artist so in touch with their artistic vision, energy and personal muse. Besides extreme talent and uber hard work, Prince always knew what he was trying to accomplish in the studio or stage.
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Reply #86 posted 03/18/19 3:01am

Vannormal

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peggyon said:

poppys said:


troll a lot

Agree with both of you...love the wit.

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yeah.

smile

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #87 posted 03/18/19 3:04am

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oceanblue said:

Vannormal said:

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Could you ask you're god while praying that he will stop massmurderers from acting like in New Zealand ?

Or stop horrible bone-cancer with little children from happening ?

Thank you so much.

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Peace. Always peace. wink

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Why don't you ask satan?

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I did.

But he says he has nothing to do with what his brother did.

They are not on speaking terms anymore since mankind you know.

Anyways. He also says he suffers from not having any contact with his bearded brother anymore.

Poor soul. I feel for him. smile

Did you know that hell aint a bad place to be ?

Ask Bon Scott.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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