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Reply #30 posted 12/04/18 12:36am

JorisE73

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.


I bought teh vinyl of 3121 back then, but recently I was told it was a pirate and not official sad

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Reply #31 posted 12/04/18 1:34am

JorisE73

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why bother releasing this stuff WITHOUT bonus tracks ?


I think mostly to cater to that recent vinyl hipster crowd.

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Reply #32 posted 12/04/18 2:03am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Still Rod, it wasn't counted as a sale in the charts... So Planet Earth technically was not one of his biggest selling post WB albums.

Go look up the streaming numbers for Planet Earth on spotify... It is not one of his biggest selling post WB albums period.

Go look up the sales in the press of other artists... . If it s so easy, why nobody can t do that besides Prince ? . Why is that that more than 3 millions people in the UK owns Planet Earth? . I m sorry but you didn't t understand the point. . Music club sales never counted in the charts too. NEVER. But it counted in the final sales. There was a time (until 1994) where music club sales didn't t even count in the certifications! These "sales" : we are talking about albums given for free in bundles or at 10 cents... . Some Albums, such as Blood On the Dance Floor, sold more than 3/4 of its total sales (!) By being given for free In albums bundles ! . How ridiculous is that? . There was also a time where internet physical sales, digital sales, ticket album sales, streaming sales, etc. Didn't t count in the charts. . Prince was always ahead of the industry, and helped redefine it. . He wanted to sue the UK charts in 2007 for planet earth. The facts are that people get out of their houses, paid for the album, and have its physical copies. You can t say that for streaming or even digital sales. . Now, more than 10 years later, with the music industry having changed so much, it s almost insulting to not acknowledge these numbers. . That s the real proof you really didn't t understand what Prince did in the last two decades, and what the music industry is. [Edited 12/4/18 0:42am]

and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.

he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...

what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple.

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Reply #33 posted 12/04/18 2:48am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:




Still Rod, it wasn't counted as a sale in the charts... So Planet Earth technically was not one of his biggest selling post WB albums.



Go look up the streaming numbers for Planet Earth on spotify... It is not one of his biggest selling post WB albums period.



Go look up the sales in the press of other artists... . If it s so easy, why nobody can t do that besides Prince ? . Why is that that more than 3 millions people in the UK owns Planet Earth? . I m sorry but you didn't t understand the point. . Music club sales never counted in the charts too. NEVER. But it counted in the final sales. There was a time (until 1994) where music club sales didn't t even count in the certifications! These "sales" : we are talking about albums given for free in bundles or at 10 cents... . Some Albums, such as Blood On the Dance Floor, sold more than 3/4 of its total sales (!) By being given for free In albums bundles ! . How ridiculous is that? . There was also a time where internet physical sales, digital sales, ticket album sales, streaming sales, etc. Didn't t count in the charts. . Prince was always ahead of the industry, and helped redefine it. . He wanted to sue the UK charts in 2007 for planet earth. The facts are that people get out of their houses, paid for the album, and have its physical copies. You can t say that for streaming or even digital sales. . Now, more than 10 years later, with the music industry having changed so much, it s almost insulting to not acknowledge these numbers. . That s the real proof you really didn't t understand what Prince did in the last two decades, and what the music industry is. [Edited 12/4/18 0:42am]


and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.



he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...



what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple.



No, the point was that you contested that Planet Earth was one of his best selling album post Warner. You can read the conversation again, you already forget ?
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And like I said, there are many sales that never counted in the charts, the most famous of them are the music club sales. I m sure you won t substract the 3 millions copies of Purple Rain sold in the MC, just because they weren't t counted in the charts.
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I m sure you won t contest the recent recertifications for counting retroactively streaming "equivalent sales", whereas they weren't counted in the charts in the first place.
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That s the absurdity of it all, and I know you are not the only one to discard Planet Earth or Musicology sales, for instance, just because they weren't sold in the usual distribution circuit.
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Reply #34 posted 12/04/18 5:01am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.

he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...

what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple.

No, the point was that you contested that Planet Earth was one of his best selling album post Warner. You can read the conversation again, you already forget ? . And like I said, there are many sales that never counted in the charts, the most famous of them are the music club sales. I m sure you won t substract the 3 millions copies of Purple Rain sold in the MC, just because they weren't t counted in the charts. . I m sure you won t contest the recent recertifications for counting retroactively streaming "equivalent sales", whereas they weren't counted in the charts in the first place. . That s the absurdity of it all, and I know you are not the only one to discard Planet Earth or Musicology sales, for instance, just because they weren't sold in the usual distribution circuit.

Wow... You might be one of the most sensitive people here on the org... Yet you are the first one to bitch about if you feel someone is "attacking" you... Just look how to talk to people here...

The difference between Musicilogy sales and Planet Earth sales is Musicology sales actually counted, so when you go to the sales figures for Musicology it stands at 2.7 million world wide. After he distributed the way he did Billboard and RIAA had to rewrite the rules....

If you look at the world wide sales for Planet Earth, the daily mail was not included in its total.

Yes he sold 3 million of the Daily Mail with Planet Earth included, but no it did not get counted officially in terms of charts and certifications same as 20TEN which was only released in a few countries in Europe through magazine as well.

So I did conest Planet Earth was one of his best selling albums post WARNER and according to the charts I am correct, since the Daily Mail sales did not count to the charts. That is accurate, did it or did it not count to charts? Planet Earth was an independent one time distribution deal outside of record label and charts, Prince got an upfront sum, and Columbia/ Sony BMG refused to release the album in U.K. because of the deal with the Daily Mail and also he was giving away Planet Earth during the 21 nights in London tour, which the char rules were rewritten after the Musiclogy tour that no album included to the ticket sale price would count as a sale. So actually and technically Planet Earth never entered the charts in U.K. so there for it never counted as a "sale."

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Reply #35 posted 12/04/18 5:08am

feeluupp

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".

If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.

So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.

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Reply #36 posted 12/04/18 5:31am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:



and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.



he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...



what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple.



No, the point was that you contested that Planet Earth was one of his best selling album post Warner. You can read the conversation again, you already forget ? . And like I said, there are many sales that never counted in the charts, the most famous of them are the music club sales. I m sure you won t substract the 3 millions copies of Purple Rain sold in the MC, just because they weren't t counted in the charts. . I m sure you won t contest the recent recertifications for counting retroactively streaming "equivalent sales", whereas they weren't counted in the charts in the first place. . That s the absurdity of it all, and I know you are not the only one to discard Planet Earth or Musicology sales, for instance, just because they weren't sold in the usual distribution circuit.


Wow... You might be one of the most sensitive people here on the org... Yet you are the first one to bitch about if you feel someone is "attacking" you... Just look how to talk to people here...







The difference between Musicilogy sales and Planet Earth sales is Musicology sales actually counted, so when you go to the sales figures for Musicology it stands at 2.7 million world wide. After he distributed the way he did Billboard and RIAA had to rewrite the rules....



If you look at the world wide sales for Planet Earth, the daily mail was not included in its total.



Yes he sold 3 million of the Daily Mail with Planet Earth included, but no it did not get counted officially in terms of charts and certifications same as 20TEN which was only released in a few countries in Europe through magazine as well.




So I did conest Planet Earth was one of his best selling albums post WARNER and according to the charts I am correct, since the Daily Mail sales did not count to the charts. That is accurate, did it or did it not count to charts? Planet Earth was an independent one time distribution deal outside of record label and charts, Prince got an upfront sum, and Columbia/ Sony BMG refused to release the album in U.K. because of the deal with the Daily Mail and also he was giving away Planet Earth during the 21 nights in London tour, which the char rules were rewritten after the Musiclogy tour that no album included to the ticket sale price would count as a sale. So actually and technically Planet Earth never entered the charts in U.K. so there for it never counted as a "sale."






But what "worldwide sales total" are you talking about? There is no such official things like that.
Are you talking about the chartmaster site?
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So what you re saying as a proof that Planet Earth didn't t sell more than 3 million s in UK is because it wasn't t added in the "worldwide total sales" is beyond ridiculous.
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Planet Earth didn't t chart, because the music industry was against it. But MC sales never charted too.
So, the question is why are you counting 3 millions music club sales for Purple Rain in the US total sales, but not counting 3 millions Planet Earth in the UK?
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Seriously, answer it.
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Reply #37 posted 12/04/18 5:42am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".



If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.




So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.



Your differenciation is interesting. I could agree, but some albums are well distributed (Chinese democracy, the album Michael, etc.) But are not selling their shipments in stores.
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So in the end, what matters is that people have a copy of the album in their house, while an album distributed could well be sleeping for years in a record store, or worst...
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So you are saying that the day the music industry will recognize the sales by the press, these 3.5 millions will be added in the total sales? Or am I misunderstand you?
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Reply #38 posted 12/04/18 6:16am

darkroman

feeluupp said:

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".

If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.

So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.



Yes exactly. Many album charts and even disc awards are given for units shipped/sold into retail and not for units sold to consumers.

And yes, spot on regards distribution via newspapers, magazine and given free with concert tickets etc.


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Reply #39 posted 12/04/18 7:04am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".

If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.

So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.

Your differenciation is interesting. I could agree, but some albums are well distributed (Chinese democracy, the album Michael, etc.) But are not selling their shipments in stores. . So in the end, what matters is that people have a copy of the album in their house, while an album distributed could well be sleeping for years in a record store, or worst... . So you are saying that the day the music industry will recognize the sales by the press, these 3.5 millions will be added in the total sales? Or am I misunderstand you? .

Rod I totally agree with your point, I'm sorry if I took offense... I just think your wording was wrong about Planet Eart being one of the highest SELLING post WB...

But I understand the point you are trying to make.

I just don't think you can label Planet Earth as a sale, yes I know the revolutionary ways Prince has always been ahead of his time distributing his albums to the masses... But you have to remember, the reason why Planet Earth from Daily Mail doesn't count as a "sale" is because he was the one caused that rule to change when he did that with Musicology... As of right now the music indusrtry will not recognize sales by the press or other distribution methods due to the fact they already changed the rule when Prince included the "sale" of his album in the ticket prices... That is why Musicology sold 2.7 million copies total... Now the music industry made it very clear that they can not count that as a sale anymore, so after 3121 basically Prince just had one off independent deals with different ways of distributing.... I am not argueing that Planet Earth didn't ship 3.7 million in the Daily Mail... I'm just simply saying due to the rules, if Planet Earth were to sell 100 million via Daily Mail, it still wouldn't have counted on the charts... That's not my opinion that's just the rules of the music industry are when it comes to sales and shipments....

So I the only point I had with your post is Planet Earth is not one of the highest SELLING post WB albums, it is the highest DISTRIBUTED album for sure. But in terms of just pure sales it was one of his lowest SELLING post WB albums. That's all. But I understand your points with everything else you wrote.

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Reply #40 posted 12/04/18 7:08am

feeluupp

Regardless the news that these are finally being officially released on VINYL is great... I hope they are remastered, and I'm still curios why they would start with these 3... These are not that popular compared to other post WB albums... But if we are talking about SALES alone... I would say the most popular releases to the mass/fans would be MUSICOLOGY, TGE, EMANCIPATION.

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Reply #41 posted 12/04/18 10:24pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

Regardless the news that these are finally being officially released on VINYL is great... I hope they are remastered, and I'm still curios why they would start with these 3... These are not that popular compared to other post WB albums... But if we are talking about SALES alone... I would say the most popular releases to the mass/fans would be MUSICOLOGY, TGE, EMANCIPATION.



Thanks for your posts Feeluup biggrin and give me 5.
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Emancipation is too hard to produce : 3 CDs, and probably 8 vinyles...
For TGE, they still don't t have the rights of TMBGITW, or I should say the horrid remix that is on the album.
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These albums weren't even released under the Prince s name !
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And in 2007 Prince made the Superbowl, he was hype again. 2004-2007 is his comeback period. Suddenly he became considered as a legend, a great guitar player, etc
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Whereas the 1995/ 2000 period is very embarrassing with his image, the Symbol name, etc.
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I think the next 3 on march will likely be Rave un2( certified gold and produced by Prince), TRC (well received by critics and a Prince album)and News (a Grammy winner IIRC).
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Rave In2 will also be released but not the same month I think (what a mess it s gonna be in stores !)
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Maybe Emancipation or Crystal Ball will be released without being accompanied by 2 other albums, since they are on 3 CDs.
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Reply #42 posted 12/05/18 12:11pm

feeluupp

Interesting Sony Legacy released some images and the vinyls appear will be purple...

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Reply #43 posted 12/05/18 12:12pm

feeluupp

New release date Feb 2 2019

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Reply #44 posted 12/05/18 12:26pm

RODSERLING

It s really sad they use 2 vinyle for musicology, it will only double the price,and I highly doubt the sound will be better than on the CD.
I hope to be proven wrong, though.
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I m waiting for the 8 vinyles of Emancipation at 100 dollars
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Reply #45 posted 12/06/18 3:49am

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feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

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Reply #46 posted 12/06/18 4:24am

JorisE73

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

eek According to that site I have the legit US vinyl.

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Reply #47 posted 12/06/18 4:25am

JorisE73

feeluupp said:

Interesting Sony Legacy released some images and the vinyls appear will be purple...

Would be cool if the vinyl is really purple and the sleeve of Planet Earth is that 3d thing like the CD.

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Reply #48 posted 12/06/18 4:53am

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

No... 3121 if you ask Militant, they said the "promo" from Universal was actually a boot and was just a test presser...

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Reply #49 posted 12/06/18 5:30am

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I’m glad these don’t have bonus tracks. Unless they were on separate discs, and that would just increase the cost.

The purple vinyl is cool.

I pre-ordered them all on Amazon. Not my favorite Prince albums, but there are good songs on each.

I wonder if the sound will be improved at all vs. the CDs. Will they be mastered for vinyl? Not loud as balls?
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Reply #50 posted 12/06/18 11:32am

tonyspr

We all know or at least hope that the Amazon Uk prices shown as £72 will change.

Well on the JPC.de site they are a much more reasonable 28 to 30 euros. That seems like the likely price.

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Reply #51 posted 12/06/18 10:38pm

andrewm7

I am looking forward to these smile

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Reply #52 posted 12/07/18 1:21am

darkroman

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

No... 3121 if you ask Militant, they said the "promo" from Universal was actually a boot and was just a test presser...


That's interesting, but was it a 'boot' or a 'test pressing' as it can't be both?

Or was the boot made from a test pressing which would suggest a vinyl does exist if a test pressing exists?

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Just had another thought...

This Musicology vinyl is genuine, I have this one : https://www.discogs.com/P...se/1338117

But the other pressings and the vinyl versions of 3121 are all so very obviously bootlegs as they all look very cheap and nasty.


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Reply #53 posted 12/07/18 1:27am

darkroman

KingSausage said:

I’m glad these don’t have bonus tracks. Unless they were on separate discs, and that would just increase the cost. The purple vinyl is cool. I pre-ordered them all on Amazon. Not my favorite Prince albums, but there are good songs on each. I wonder if the sound will be improved at all vs. the CDs. Will they be mastered for vinyl? Not loud as balls?



I totally agree as I was thinking about this.

I would hope they produce a new vinyl master otherwise Sony will lose credibility if they use a CD master which would be weird as it is at the wrong frequency - yet people do this often.

I desperately hope the Prince Estate start to consider quality as quality is an important part of the legacy.

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Reply #54 posted 12/07/18 4:12am

206Michelle

FANTASTIC!!!!!
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Reply #55 posted 12/07/18 4:13am

206Michelle

When will Diamonds and Pearls and prince be re-released?
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Reply #56 posted 12/07/18 4:14am

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greyhoodiegirl said:

Also- they all say “Jap Import” in the description..

Not a culturally sensitive description.
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Reply #57 posted 12/07/18 11:01am

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Those prices have to be bollocks right? I would love new music, most of all, but getting something I didn’t have on vinyl already would be nice. But come on, I would’ve said £20 woulda been steep, but these prices? Patent. Leather. Bollocks.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
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Reply #58 posted 12/07/18 1:29pm

MIRvmn

I clicked on the link but they seems to be gone now
We are living in Orwell's 1984
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Reply #59 posted 12/08/18 6:12am

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Why??

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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