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BartVanHemelen

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UPDATED and EXPANDED paperback edition of Duane Tudahl's "Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions: 1983 and 1984"

The updated and expanded edition of Duane Tudahl's must-read Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions: 1983 and 1984 is arriving in November, and Amazon has a number of sample pages available as part of its "Look inside" feature: https://www.amazon.com/gp...538114623/

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This includes a four-page "Note from the author about the expanded edition", which will likely answer all of your questions and much more:

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[pages removed due to possible copyright issues]

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(Previous thread, which also contains answers to many of the questions you might have: http://prince.org/msg/7/455472 )

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[Edited 10/21/18 3:45am]

[Edited 11/20/18 2:43am]

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Reply #1 posted 10/21/18 6:47am

djThunderfunk

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I would be happier if the awesome hardback had all the new info, but, it doesn't. So, I'll be buying this book again. It's that good!!

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #2 posted 10/21/18 7:53am

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Bought it as an ebook the first time, will buy it again as an ebook. Like Thunder says, it's that good, and worth every penny.

I look forward to the next book, which I believe Duane said will be about 85-86.

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Reply #3 posted 10/21/18 10:21am

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somehow i never got round to buying it the first time 'round, mainly because i still had
about 25+ books sitting on the shelf yet to read. now that i'm all caught up reading, this
is a prefectly timed release cool i'll be getting the paperback edition. can't wait to finally
read this.

and if a 1985-1986 edition is in the works, all i can say is: omfg omfg omfg excited drool


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Reply #4 posted 10/21/18 4:51pm

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I ordered the paperback when it was first announced then forgot I ordered it. Thanks for reminding me - can't wait until it arrives. biggrin
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Reply #5 posted 10/21/18 5:36pm

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[Edited 10/21/18 17:37pm]

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Reply #6 posted 10/21/18 6:07pm

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Okay for all of you who bought it via Amazon, but I bought mine on a local ebay clone called Trade Me off a seller from the UK (Book clearing house) and I doubt I will be able to get that supplement for nothing.

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In light of Piano and Microphone 1983, in which I find no reference too in the book, except for Wednesday being Oct 24th 1983, which suggests the rest of it is from the same era, it seems pointless. Still its the best book on Prince so far and I will eagerly support him by buying his 1985/86 edition when it comes out.

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The one date I want to read the most about - November 19th 1986, the day Prince created and recorded the song "Adore".

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Reply #7 posted 10/21/18 6:22pm

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Purplegarden said:

Okay for all of you who bought it via Amazon, but I bought mine on a local ebay clone called Trade Me off a seller from the UK (Book clearing house) and I doubt I will be able to get that supplement for nothing.

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In light of Piano and Microphone 1983, in which I find no reference too in the book, except for Wednesday being Oct 24th 1983, which suggests the rest of it is from the same era, it seems pointless. Still its the best book on Prince so far and I will eagerly support him by buying his 1985/86 edition when it comes out.

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The one date I want to read the most about - November 19th 1986, the day Prince created and recorded the song "Adore".

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Well, in defense of Dwayne Tudal, he has always been open about possible errors and correcting them. This man spent 20 years putting this book together... This is not some kind of money grab but a true Prince fan who dedicated years of his life to documenting the most creative years of Prince. Plus he is a longtime Org member Back when this board was fun...

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Reply #8 posted 10/21/18 10:34pm

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Purplegarden said:

Okay for all of you who bought it via Amazon, but I bought mine on a local ebay clone called Trade Me off a seller from the UK (Book clearing house) and I doubt I will be able to get that supplement for nothing.

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There is no "supplement".

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In light of Piano and Microphone 1983, in which I find no reference too in the book, except for Wednesday being Oct 24th 1983

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Duane posted the ENTIRE page about this rehearsal on the Facebook group about this book weeks ago. Go to https://www.facebook.com/...104195943/ and look for it.

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it seems pointless.

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I dunno, how about READING THE PAGES I POSTED. Which features A LONG LIST of all the new stuff, including PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN SONGS.

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Reply #9 posted 10/21/18 11:21pm

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[pages removed due to possible copyright issues]

[Edited 11/20/18 13:56pm]

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Reply #10 posted 10/22/18 3:00am

Purplegarden

Thanks Bart, you are the troll who came through. I will remember to leave some gold coins under the bridge. I never insulted Dwayne, I consider his book excellent and well worth the money.

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Reply #11 posted 10/22/18 3:28am

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Purplegarden said:

Thanks Bart, you are the troll who came through. I will remember to leave some gold coins under the bridge. I never insulted Dwayne, I consider his book excellent and well worth the money.

Start by spelling his name correctly, then falloff

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Reply #12 posted 10/22/18 6:19am

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databank said:

Purplegarden said:

Thanks Bart, you are the troll who came through. I will remember to leave some gold coins under the bridge. I never insulted Dwayne, I consider his book excellent and well worth the money.

Start by spelling his name correctly, then falloff


also, it seems to have become a knee jerk reaction to dismiss everything bart writes
as trolling, when at least half of those cases he simply corrects mistakes or provides
people with the right information. like telling the op that there is no 'supplement' to
the book, providing an accurate corrective link to their 'p&m83' observation and just
simply pointing out again that the (now edited) remark about the 'pointlessness' of
the 'supplement' is not true since there is a lot of new information, which was already
posted in plain sight on this very thread. nowhere in his response does bart troll or
even become rude or dismissive. and nowhere does he say that op insulted duane.


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Reply #13 posted 10/22/18 7:47am

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djThunderfunk said:

I would be happier if the awesome hardback had all the new info, but, it doesn't. So, I'll be buying this book again. It's that good!!



I agree. It’s that good indeed! When I finished it, I immediatly turned back to page 1 and started again. Now somewhere around 3/4 of the book. I think i’ll buy the updated one too, just this time..... Can’t help it, I just need to know.
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Reply #14 posted 10/22/18 8:26am

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It's a shame the paperback is now the definitive version to reference.

I can imagine people now selling off their hardback versions as they are now defunced.

Maybe one day a hardback version 1.1 would nice, but I suppose at somepoint a line needs to be drawn under this era so that the next book can be considered.

As this format has been considered viable, I wonder how many other people will pick an era to research.

Without doubt 85 to 88 would be particularly exciting!


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Reply #15 posted 10/22/18 9:35am

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I wonder what Duane's thoughts on copyright are. Maybe he'd be open to, after a reasonable time (which is what? I don't know... 15 years?) put the book into public domain, or at least public as in a wiki of sorts. Maybe some kind of expansion of Princevault (which hopefully will allow proper DB searches at some point).

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Of course, maybe including some sort of license like GPL3, which would mean that anyone copying part (or all) of the document has to release it for free as well.

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Just spitballing here, but as the 'expanded' edition already shows, this needs to become some form of living document that can be expanded at will. The current way of publishing doesn't allow that. For now, it means I'll buy the new version as well. I understand this endeavour needs to be funded. But doing it this way is not ideal.

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Not sure what the best way to do it is. I'll just enjoy whatever becomes available.

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mediumdry said:

I wonder what Duane's thoughts on copyright are. Maybe he'd be open to, after a reasonable time (which is what? I don't know... 15 years?) put the book into public domain, or at least public as in a wiki of sorts. Maybe some kind of expansion of Princevault (which hopefully will allow proper DB searches at some point).

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Of course, maybe including some sort of license like GPL3, which would mean that anyone copying part (or all) of the document has to release it for free as well.

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Just spitballing here, but as the 'expanded' edition already shows, this needs to become some form of living document that can be expanded at will. The current way of publishing doesn't allow that. For now, it means I'll buy the new version as well. I understand this endeavour needs to be funded. But doing it this way is not ideal.

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Not sure what the best way to do it is. I'll just enjoy whatever becomes available.

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The basic factual infos (what when where who) have already been, and will keep being added to Princevault. I believe it falls under fair use but, anyway, Duane publicly gave them his blessing, so he's already really cool about it.

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What the books will keep providing exclusively is the why, the how and the narrative, which of course is no small thing.

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On the other hand there's a lot of other behind the scenes infos available from various interviews, articles and books that Princevault does not include in the entries. Sometimes they mention the backstory of a track in more or less details, but most of the time they don't. Not sure why, but most likely lack of time.

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On a sidenote I think there's a reason why Princevault isn't an open wiki: just imagine the editing wars there'd be if it was! Our community is a really uncommon one: too many disturbed people and too many personal agendas! Maybe one day things will cool down, the Princedom will become a more peaceful/reasonable community and Princevault can become a proper Wiki.

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databank said:

On a sidenote I think there's a reason why Princevault isn't an open wiki: just imagine the editing wars there'd be if it was!

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As I've said numerous times: there are plenty of solutions for that. You can easily add plug-ins to a wiki which subject all submissions to editor approval.

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Reply #18 posted 10/22/18 1:45pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

The updated and expanded edition of Duane Tudahl's must-read Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions: 1983 and 1984 is arriving in November, and Amazon has a number of sample pages available as part of its "Look inside" feature: https://www.amazon.com/gp...538114623/


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This includes a four-page "Note from the author about the expanded edition", which will likely answer all of your questions and much more:


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(Previous thread, which also contains answers to many of the questions you might have: http://prince.org/msg/7/455472 )


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Reply #19 posted 10/23/18 2:25am

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I got the hardback copy and have just ordered the expanded paperback.

It's an amazing piece of work and I often pick it up whenever I play a song of that era to look up the specifics of the recording sessions.

Looking forward to the expanded edition.

Now bring on '85 - '86/'87 -'88 hammer

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Reply #20 posted 10/23/18 2:46am

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BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

On a sidenote I think there's a reason why Princevault isn't an open wiki: just imagine the editing wars there'd be if it was!

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As I've said numerous times: there are plenty of solutions for that. You can easily add plug-ins to a wiki which subject all submissions to editor approval.

True. I still fear the mods would be submerged by requests, most of which would be nonsense. But maybe I'm too pessimistic and you're right.

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Reply #21 posted 10/23/18 4:42pm

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databank said:



BartVanHemelen said:




databank said:




On a sidenote I think there's a reason why Princevault isn't an open wiki: just imagine the editing wars there'd be if it was!



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As I've said numerous times: there are plenty of solutions for that. You can easily add plug-ins to a wiki which subject all submissions to editor approval.



True. I still fear the mods would be submerged by requests, most of which would be nonsense. But maybe I'm too pessimistic and you're right.


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Reply #22 posted 10/24/18 4:48pm

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a lot of time, research & hard work went into this book. Thank you Duane. Can’t wait to read it.
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Reply #23 posted 10/25/18 11:50am

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Is a hardback release always reserved for first print?

The hardcover always gives an extra shine to a release and also feels pleasant when reading.
The paperbacks often split / damage with extensive reading.

Is there a change hardcover will be released of the updated version?

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Reply #24 posted 10/26/18 6:39am

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dualboot said:

Is a hardback release always reserved for first print?

The hardcover always gives an extra shine to a release and also feels pleasant when reading.
The paperbacks often split / damage with extensive reading.

Is there a change hardcover will be released of the updated version?


You might be on to something.

Yes, traditionally hardcovers are first print and paperbacks subsequent printings, but:

Why couldn't a hardback version be released of an update? Might not be "standard procedure", but in a case like this, there would probably be some interest.

I bought the hardback and will buy the paperback, but, if there was a hardback updated on the horizon I would skip the paperback and buy it instead.

If you're reading this Duane, what do you think? Could the publisher be convinced to do a small print run of the update in hardback for those of us that want the best of both?

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Reply #25 posted 10/26/18 1:29pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Why couldn't a hardback version be released of an update?

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Sigh... The update WAS NOT PLANNED, the updated was caused by the paperback release. Frankly, I'm kinda amazed the published agreed to this rather extensive update, because it means extra costs. Sure, perhaps they'll hope for increased sales numbers due to people double-dipping. I'm actually surprised they were considering a paperback release in the first place, I hadn't thought the book would sell well enough for that to be an option.

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Might not be "standard procedure", but in a case like this, there would probably be some interest.

I bought the hardback and will buy the paperback, but, if there was a hardback updated on the horizon I would skip the paperback and buy it instead.

If you're reading this Duane, what do you think? Could the publisher be convinced to do a small print run of the update in hardback for those of us that want the best of both?

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Normally they have a stock of hardback copies, and I'd think that the paperback release indicated that this stock was low enough while the sales figures continued to be well enough to justify such a release. I'd also assume that another hardback edition would require a significant minimum print run and that this wouldn't be economically feasible.

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Except... I get the impression that this book falls into the "print on demand" category (hence the differences in hardback editions; I recall seeing a picture with three different editions that has some significant differances in binding etc.), so I don't know if those "rules" qtill apply. In any case I doubt they'll invest anything in another hardback run any time soon, not in the least to avoid cannibalizing sales of the paperback edition, and I expect the next project to be the 1985-1986 book.

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Reply #26 posted 10/26/18 1:50pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:

Why couldn't a hardback version be released of an update?

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Sigh... The update WAS NOT PLANNED, the updated was caused by the paperback release. Frankly, I'm kinda amazed the published agreed to this rather extensive update, because it means extra costs. Sure, perhaps they'll hope for increased sales numbers due to people double-dipping. I'm actually surprised they were considering a paperback release in the first place, I hadn't thought the book would sell well enough for that to be an option.

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Might not be "standard procedure", but in a case like this, there would probably be some interest.

I bought the hardback and will buy the paperback, but, if there was a hardback updated on the horizon I would skip the paperback and buy it instead.

If you're reading this Duane, what do you think? Could the publisher be convinced to do a small print run of the update in hardback for those of us that want the best of both?

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Normally they have a stock of hardback copies, and I'd think that the paperback release indicated that this stock was low enough while the sales figures continued to be well enough to justify such a release. I'd also assume that another hardback edition would require a significant minimum print run and that this wouldn't be economically feasible.

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Except... I get the impression that this book falls into the "print on demand" category (hence the differences in hardback editions; I recall seeing a picture with three different editions that has some significant differances in binding etc.), so I don't know if those "rules" qtill apply. In any case I doubt they'll invest anything in another hardback run any time soon, not in the least to avoid cannibalizing sales of the paperback edition, and I expect the next project to be the 1985-1986 book.


Yes, Bart, I get all that and understand how things work. Hence the phrase "might not be standard procedure but". Also, I have no expectations that such a suggestion would be seriously considered by a publisher in most circumstances. But, as you pointed out yourself, this book might just not fall under normal rules, so, it's worth a suggestion and request even if the odds are against it. No?

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Reply #27 posted 11/06/18 4:40am

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Apparently, some who pre-ordered via the publisher have already received their copies. Let's hope we get some reviews soon.

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Reply #28 posted 11/17/18 8:16am

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I bought the kindle edition, but wonˋt throw money in the authors....I am disappointed, cause he could offer an update for free. I cannot afford a new version of this book every year, ridiculous.
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Reply #29 posted 11/17/18 3:39pm

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Duane Tudahl has REALLY done something amazing for me, mentioning me and the Purple Knights Podcast in the pages of the expanded paperback edition of his book, "Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions, 1983-1984." This is a huge development; I am honored and humbled! Those that know me are aware that I've been dealing with serious health issues for several months now, and I've been unable to work on the podcast. I hope to be fully recovered by January, and will relaunch Purple Knights then. I'd like to thank BlogTalkRadio for their support and patience, as well as those in the purple fan community who have promoted my podcast during its hiatus, such as Nightchild Reviews and the violet reality. I'm looking forward to adding my voice back into the purple tapestry soon! Thank you!

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