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Thread started 09/07/18 6:32am

LaurenceNoonan

Eye Love U But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore

Say what you want about Rave Un/In2 The Joy Fantastic but this song (Eye Love U But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore) is simply beautiful and a highlight on the album. One of Prince's best ballads.

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Reply #1 posted 09/07/18 7:40am

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I really like the Montreux 2009 version

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Reply #2 posted 09/07/18 9:20am

darlingnikkkki

Quite a personal song that gives us a rare insight to his relationships. Heartbreaking. sad
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
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Reply #3 posted 09/07/18 9:46am

Darshy

Absolutely beautiful
Prince wrote the best ballads
And thank god we're Prince fans cos u'll never, ever here this on the radio.
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Reply #4 posted 09/07/18 10:27am

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Friend and I got the album and had a formal listening... after this track, it was mouths agape at how good it was. "goddamn."

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Reply #5 posted 09/07/18 12:31pm

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darlingnikkkki said:

Quite a personal song that gives us a rare insight to his relationships. Heartbreaking. sad

Really, you think it's a rare insight? I think the closest we have to a Prince Autobiography are his songs...

Listen to what he laid down in the studio in recording order during 85-86, and you get a blow by blow insight into his unsustainable relationship & break up with Susannah, for example.

Great song though, very sad.

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Reply #6 posted 09/08/18 1:36am

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To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

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Reply #7 posted 09/08/18 3:42am

gandorb

One of his best ballads ever. He really shows his vulnerable side in the song. It was one of the highlights of his P & M shows.

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Reply #8 posted 09/08/18 6:37am

Empress

Beautiful song
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Reply #9 posted 09/08/18 8:42am

SkipperLove

Or maybe trust is not just about who cheated. In his position, it would be hard to trust most folks. He didn't help by being untrustworthy himself of course. But I always suspected that Prince himself had trust issues, wondered if people loved him for who he was or what he could get for them. Mayte, I don't know, but there were rumors of a Spanish dancer that she didn't say anything about. But let's say she was faithful--she also was a ambitious young dancer whose mother was a stage mom(her statement not mine). It had to cross his mind occassionally that he was being used. Don't get me wrong --he was insecure enough to believe that he couldn't just date an equal of a different field, that he had to date someone to which he could offer the world and a career..but its a catch 22. Maybe that (along with her age) is why the courtship took so long. He wanted to see if he could trust her to stick around even after the accolades for her talents came her way. Prince needed to date outside his little musical circle obviously. Maybe that song was his reaction to her statement about not trusting him..maybe its him saying you don't trust me due to unfaithfulness but I don't trust you either due to wondering where your heart is. We only know her side; but he certainly has his. Its funny but in the Montreux Jazz festival in 2009 (show 2) , he sang the line "I know you love me baby, but you don't trust me and you don't love me not much anymore". Freudian slip or maybe this trust thing is more complicated than we thought.

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

[Edited 9/8/18 10:45am]

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Reply #10 posted 09/08/18 3:25pm

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I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.

PIPS! Eurgh...
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Reply #11 posted 09/08/18 6:03pm

LaurenceNoonan

luv4u said:

I really like the Montreux 2009 version


Oh absolutely, beautiful version, maybe the best?
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Reply #12 posted 09/08/18 6:03pm

LaurenceNoonan

darlingnikkkki said:

Quite a personal song that gives us a rare insight to his relationships. Heartbreaking. sad

Yes, yes it does and I'm thankful for the record.
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Reply #13 posted 09/08/18 6:04pm

LaurenceNoonan

Darshy said:

Absolutely beautiful
Prince wrote the best ballads
And thank god we're Prince fans cos u'll never, ever here this on the radio.

Exactly, I wouldn't have it as a single but I'm surprised it didn't get airplay as Prince did a lot of promotion during the rave era
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Reply #14 posted 09/08/18 6:05pm

LaurenceNoonan

ufoclub said:

Friend and I got the album and had a formal listening... after this track, it was mouths agape at how good it was. "goddamn."


Wow... not surprised lol
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Reply #15 posted 09/08/18 6:06pm

LaurenceNoonan

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

Hmmm maybe? Wasn't Prince unfaithful with every relationship he had ? I'm not too sure...
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Reply #16 posted 09/08/18 6:06pm

LaurenceNoonan

gandorb said:

One of his best ballads ever. He really shows his vulnerable side in the song. It was one of the highlights of his P & M shows.


Yes absolutely
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Reply #17 posted 09/08/18 6:07pm

LaurenceNoonan

Empress said:

Beautiful song

Yes, yes it is smile
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Reply #18 posted 09/08/18 6:08pm

LaurenceNoonan

fishwillbite said:

I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.


I like the lyrics but I see what you're getting at and yes, the piano and guitar is beautiful.
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Reply #19 posted 09/08/18 7:43pm

violetcrush

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

I don't think this song was about Mayte or his relationship with her. Many people consider the RUTJF album to be a breakup album, but it is not. Mayte stated in an interview that the song was not about their relationship. At his last P&M show, when he sang the song, he sang, "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days....the 80's". So, he was singing about someone prior to Mayte - at least for that performance.

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Reply #20 posted 09/08/18 7:50pm

violetcrush

SkipperLove said:

Or maybe trust is not just about who cheated. In his position, it would be hard to trust most folks. He didn't help by being untrustworthy himself of course. But I always suspected that Prince himself had trust issues, wondered if people loved him for who he was or what he could get for them. Mayte, I don't know, but there were rumors of a Spanish dancer that she didn't say anything about. But let's say she was faithful--she also was a ambitious young dancer whose mother was a stage mom(her statement not mine). It had to cross his mind occassionally that he was being used. Don't get me wrong --he was insecure enough to believe that he couldn't just date an equal of a different field, that he had to date someone to which he could offer the world and a career..but its a catch 22. Maybe that (along with her age) is why the courtship took so long. He wanted to see if he could trust her to stick around even after the accolades for her talents came her way. Prince needed to date outside his little musical circle obviously. Maybe that song was his reaction to her statement about not trusting him..maybe its him saying you don't trust me due to unfaithfulness but I don't trust you either due to wondering where your heart is. We only know her side; but he certainly has his. Its funny but in the Montreux Jazz festival in 2009 (show 2) , he sang the line "I know you love me baby, but you don't trust me and you don't love me not much anymore". Freudian slip or maybe this trust thing is more complicated than we thought.

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

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Mayte stated in an interview that this song was not about their relationship. I really don't think many of the songs on RU2TJF are about their relationship - Tangerine, Strange But True, So Far So Pleased, Baby Knows, and others are not related to their breakup.

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Reply #21 posted 09/12/18 2:26am

mynameisnotsus
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I'm sure I remember reading in an interview at the time of its release that Prince said it was about his father and mothers relationship.
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Reply #22 posted 09/12/18 10:28am

violetcrush

mynameisnotsusan said:

I'm sure I remember reading in an interview at the time of its release that Prince said it was about his father and mothers relationship.

Oh interesting. Could be. Wondering if that interview is listed on princevault. They have most of his print interviews posted. I know during the last P&M show, when he did the song, he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days - the 80's". So, seems he was reflecting on one of his relationships back then. The song talks about the girl having been given a ring, so that would've been Susannah at that time. I do think it would be a bit strange that he would write a song coming from one of his parents perspectives. He usually wrote about himself with regard to relationships with women.

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Reply #23 posted 09/12/18 7:42pm

RJP1205

I like the way he clears his throat at the start of the song as if to say "ahem...I'm about to say something important". And the delicate piano notes and heartbreaking lyrics...great ballad.
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Reply #24 posted 09/14/18 11:44am

PeteSilas

ufoclub said:

Friend and I got the album and had a formal listening... after this track, it was mouths agape at how good it was. "goddamn."

yup and yet another album that had a lot of people saying "he don't do nothing good no mo'".

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
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Reply #25 posted 09/14/18 11:46am

PeteSilas

fishwillbite said:

I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

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Reply #26 posted 09/14/18 5:30pm

violetcrush

PeteSilas said:

fishwillbite said:

I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

Nah, I doubt that. I don't believe he gave Vanity an engagement ring when they were together. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that her "flower" wasn't already "picked" prior to meeting him. She was 22 when they met.

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He did give an engagement ring to Susannah Melvoin in 1985 though. He also recorded "Go", Empty Room, and Sexual Suicide in the same session after a big fight with her, so my guess is that he may have found out that she had been with someone else at that time. They were "off and on" quite a bit during their relationship. The lyrics to Go describe the scenario in ILYBIDTY - "You promised me baby, that you would never cheat, but you did it anyway, and now you want to leave me"....

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Reply #27 posted 09/14/18 5:34pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

Nah, I doubt that. I don't believe he gave Vanity an engagement ring when they were together. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that her "flower" wasn't already "picked" prior to meeting him. She was 22 when they met.

*

He did give an engagement ring to Susannah Melvoin in 1985 though. He also recorded "Go", Empty Room, and Sexual Suicide in the same session after a big fight with her, so my guess is that he may have found out that she had been with someone else at that time. They were "off and on" quite a bit during their relationship. The lyrics to Go describe the scenario in ILYBIDTY - "You promised me baby, that you would never cheat, but you did it anyway, and now you want to leave me"....

it may have been sussanah that someone said, i just always assumed it was mayte, only prince and those close to him would know for sure, i think it's a bit too coincidental NOT to be mayte though. And ya, prince tended to write songs like that which painted him a the victim when he's a difficult guy to deal with for anyone and he did plenty of cheating himself I'm sure. the thing i don't get, said it again and agian, sorry to beat a dead horse but how do you fall in love with dum dum's?

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Reply #28 posted 09/14/18 5:35pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

Nah, I doubt that. I don't believe he gave Vanity an engagement ring when they were together. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that her "flower" wasn't already "picked" prior to meeting him. She was 22 when they met.

*

He did give an engagement ring to Susannah Melvoin in 1985 though. He also recorded "Go", Empty Room, and Sexual Suicide in the same session after a big fight with her, so my guess is that he may have found out that she had been with someone else at that time. They were "off and on" quite a bit during their relationship. The lyrics to Go describe the scenario in ILYBIDTY - "You promised me baby, that you would never cheat, but you did it anyway, and now you want to leave me"....

Here's Sexual Suicide:

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Baby, if you only knew
All the love, want a love that's deep in my heart
Ooh baby, bein' here with you
Wouldn't be nothin' could tear us apart
Alright, uh, every night
Cool surrender, lost in your arms
You, you'll be surprised
Doin' it in the cuffs, sound your alarm
Baby, gonna take a walk
Think I'm gonna take a sexual suicide
No body like my body, baby
Ain't no ride like my ride
Super skin in my car, baby
If you're drivin' me, then maybe
Sexual suicide
Ain't it a shame
That you won't play the game
Got to much pride
You, you make your bed
But you got to see the sexual, sexual suicide
Suicide, sexual, sexual suicide
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Reply #29 posted 09/14/18 5:37pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

I'm sure I remember reading in an interview at the time of its release that Prince said it was about his father and mothers relationship.

Oh interesting. Could be. Wondering if that interview is listed on princevault. They have most of his print interviews posted. I know during the last P&M show, when he did the song, he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days - the 80's". So, seems he was reflecting on one of his relationships back then. The song talks about the girl having been given a ring, so that would've been Susannah at that time. I do think it would be a bit strange that he would write a song coming from one of his parents perspectives. He usually wrote about himself with regard to relationships with women.

he also said little red corvette was written for vanity, that one black lady with a chinese name said it was for her. I don't know if it was for vanity, the song is a one night stand kind of song and doesn't reflect their relationship at all. He had so many women...

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