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Reply #120 posted 09/14/18 5:56am

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feeluupp said:

just two execs that found a cassette tape lying around and decided that will be the one to release...

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That is not what happened. Stop making up shit and stick to the facts.

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Reply #121 posted 09/14/18 6:02am

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jenst said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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I've been saying that for twenty years. Prince failing to open his archives and curate his back catalog was always a massive error, especially when the music industry was collapsing. It's not like his fans were saving their money for the "inevitable" release of those vault contents.

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Quite frankly most of the contents of those vaults should have been released over the years, and his estate should simply be maintaining that catalog and perhaps configure new box sets with material that would be of interets mostly to hardcore fans.

Although I agree with you (as most often) it was much easier forgiving Prince those bad choices than it is nog with the estate. Prince often showed very bad business sence, but he was an artist brilliant enough to make up for it. The estate's main purpose is making money, and they're not doing it very well.

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The estate is also crippled by the lack of a will and the uncertainty WRT ownership of the vault's contents (i.e. does Warners have a claim WRT the songs recorded pre-1996 as being recorded a spart of a WBR contract).

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Reply #122 posted 09/14/18 9:09am

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BartVanHemelen said:

jenst said:

Although I agree with you (as most often) it was much easier forgiving Prince those bad choices than it is nog with the estate. Prince often showed very bad business sence, but he was an artist brilliant enough to make up for it. The estate's main purpose is making money, and they're not doing it very well.

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The estate is also crippled by the lack of a will and the uncertainty WRT ownership of the vault's contents (i.e. does Warners have a claim WRT the songs recorded pre-1996 as being recorded a spart of a WBR contract).

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Prince is dead.

WB has no active CONtract w.r.t. releases to be produced.

So they might want licensing/royalties/etc for any vault stuff, they do not dictate whatever is released I hope.

Where is the 'creative freedom'?

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Reply #123 posted 09/20/18 10:53am

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http://www.superdeluxeedi...es-vol-14/

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Columbia Records/Legacy Recordings will release in November, the Bob Dylan box set that fans have really been waiting for. More Blood, More Tracks: The Bootleg Series Vol. 14 will be available as a six-CD set that includes “every surviving take” (including the complete New York sessions) from the 1974 studio recordings made by Bob Dylan which resulted in his 1975 classic Blood On The Tracks.

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Described by the label as a ‘strictly limited’ deluxe set, this six-disc package features alternate versions of ‘Tangled Up In Blue’ , ‘Simple Twist Of Fate’ and ‘Shelter From The Storm’ and offers up a total of over 70 previously unreleased recordings! The 6CD deluxe of More Blood, More Tracks (there is also a 2LP vinyl and a single CD edition) includes the complete New York sessions in chronological order, including outtakes, false starts and ‘studio banter’.

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Strange, I could have sworn that Prince fans always claim these kind of box sets are impossible.

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Reply #124 posted 09/20/18 3:34pm

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if his family had control over the recordings they wouldve flooded the market....

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Reply #125 posted 09/20/18 8:42pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

Strange, I could have sworn that Prince fans always claim these kind of box sets are impossible.

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Up to now we must assume that the Estate is in a parallel universe versus slightly similar estates.

Until the money starts running out that may remain.

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Reply #126 posted 09/20/18 10:32pm

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Thizz said:

so her plan is to let the fans that existed while he walked the earth go a lifetime without hearing the work that is so highly sought after to them?

Same thing as what the Jackson estate is doing, they need to make the money now so that people with a history and attachment to the music can spend, they might be surprised how easily they make a profilt.

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Reply #127 posted 09/21/18 12:17am

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BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.superdeluxeedi...es-vol-14/

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Columbia Records/Legacy Recordings will release in November, the Bob Dylan box set that fans have really been waiting for. More Blood, More Tracks: The Bootleg Series Vol. 14 will be available as a six-CD set that includes “every surviving take” (including the complete New York sessions) from the 1974 studio recordings made by Bob Dylan which resulted in his 1975 classic Blood On The Tracks.

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Described by the label as a ‘strictly limited’ deluxe set, this six-disc package features alternate versions of ‘Tangled Up In Blue’ , ‘Simple Twist Of Fate’ and ‘Shelter From The Storm’ and offers up a total of over 70 previously unreleased recordings! The 6CD deluxe of More Blood, More Tracks (there is also a 2LP vinyl and a single CD edition) includes the complete New York sessions in chronological order, including outtakes, false starts and ‘studio banter’.

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Strange, I could have sworn that Prince fans always claim these kind of box sets are impossible.

Either those people have a hidden agenda or they're truly disconnected from reality.

Maybe Prince slept with their girlfriends.

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Reply #128 posted 09/21/18 11:00am

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Oh look, Howard frikking Jones gets SIX-DISC editions of two of his 1980s albums: http://www.superdeluxeedi...-box-sets/

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Reply #129 posted 09/21/18 11:02am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Oh look, Howard frikking Jones gets SIX-DISC editions of two of his 1980s albums: http://www.superdeluxeedi...-box-sets/

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what do you think is the reason they dont do these types of sets for Prince???

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Reply #130 posted 09/21/18 4:28pm

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"Using the 1983 tape as a starting point, Tyka Nelson says the estate is hoping to unveil a new collection of unreleased music every year", "If it was up to me, we’d see something every year for the next hundred or thousand years"

Source: https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

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IDK how much of this is true, and how definitive it is. Sharon also said here that an online store wasn't out of the question so there's hope, but I'm quite outraged by this statement. I'm 41, my life expectation is about 80 years old (it might have increased dramatically by then, given how fast science moves, but I could also die from a cancer before I'm 50 for all I know). Most of us are over 40, over 50 for the older fans, and most of us won't live much longer than a few more decades. And we're being told that while thousands of songs, rehearsals and live shows are stored in the vault we can't expect more than one record a year before we die? And that kids who weren't even born when Prince was alive are to get the rest of it later, after we who supported Prince all thoughout his career will be long gone? no no no!

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While I understand that they need a prestigious, mainstream audience release a year and little more for the general public and music press, I also know that most of us are willing and able to purchase an album's worth of material every month, NPGMC-style. We did it in 2001, and we'd do it again. So why not do that, too?

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I don't wanna sound dramatic: I enjoy and listen to a lot of other music, and I have enough Prince music on my drive, more than most artists' fans could ever dream of. I have things going on in my life, I don't depend on Prince to be happy, so I can live with that. But nevertheless, I've devoted lots of time and money into my passion for Prince's music, and I can't help finding such a statement super frustrating. There's too much music in that vault, it's gotta come out!

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Y'all with me on that?

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[Edited 8/27/18 13:27pm]

The over 50 crowd don't have much to complain about from my perspective. When is the last time the estate did anything to attract us younger folks? When have they released anything NPG related? Since 2016 EVERY RELEASE has been targeted at those old enough to be my parents and grandparents. I have yet to see anything released that is my age and after it. The Prince 4Ever CD had just 2 NPG songs on it. The only non 80s stuff that I have seen come out was Mayte's Book. You guys have gotten the an Expanded and Deluxe versions of Purple Rain with a DVD. The most favorite book about the studio sessions of 1984 by Duane Tudahl. From my side of the age scale? You guys are getting handed stuff left and right. Personally I'm tired of having the 70s and 80s stuff thrown my way with the expectation that I'm suppose to buy it and be just as thrilled when it doesn't even relate to my era. I love old school but not when it being done as unbalanced as this is. In my mind the heirs and those running the estate don't care one bit about us younger folks or the kids yet to be born. They are only focusing on the older crowd.

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