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Thread started 06/15/18 2:00pm

jjam

Prince Estate Strikes Deal With Sony Music (EXCLUSIVE)

UPDATED: https://variety.com/2018/...202848408/

UPDATED: Sony Music has struck a deal with Prince's estate to license an unspecified catalog of the artist's music, three sources close to the situation tell Variety, although it was unclear at press time whether the agreement had been finalized.........

Reply #1 posted 06/15/18 2:06pm

Strive

Motherfucker.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #2 posted 06/15/18 2:26pm

Silvertongue7

Wow, they might release something that wasn’t recorded in 1983 now, then...
Reply #3 posted 06/15/18 2:26pm

thedoorkeeper

"...the entire lien provision could not be negotiated away..."
What's that referring to?
Reply #4 posted 06/15/18 2:27pm

feeluupp

Millions less than the Universal deal... Wondering what Prince would think to tell him all his post WB output is worth no more than 30 million... lol

Reply #5 posted 06/15/18 2:29pm

Vannormal

...post 1996 work then.

Could only mean an album released with all new material... ?

No one else is waiting for, lets say 1996-2003 material right now (right ?)

-

all that (usual loud) buzz... - we'll see when I got something real in my hands (yawn)

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #6 posted 06/15/18 2:30pm

bluefish

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.

‎PRINCE: 1958 - infinity
Reply #7 posted 06/15/18 2:30pm

madison

Great Newz

Bart Van Hemelen

nothing but love for you man !!

i even spelled checked myself

tonk

[Edited 6/15/18 14:31pm]

Reply #8 posted 06/15/18 2:32pm

7souls

feeluupp said:

Millions less than the Universal deal... Wondering what Prince would think to tell him all his post WB output is worth no more than 30 million...  lol


I guess you didn't get the memo...he's not able to make those decisions any longer.
Reply #9 posted 06/15/18 2:33pm

bluefish

Vannormal said:

No one else is waiting for, lets say 1996-2003 material right now (right ?)

-


I want 2010-2016 material.

‎PRINCE: 1958 - infinity
Reply #10 posted 06/15/18 2:33pm

Silvertongue7

madison said:

 


 


Great Newz


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


Bart Van Hemelen 


nothing but love for you man !!


i even spelled checked myself 


 


 


tonk

[Edited 6/15/18 14:31pm]


Brilliant
[Edited 6/15/18 17:17pm]
Reply #11 posted 06/15/18 2:37pm

rdhull

How long before this one goes kablooey?

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #12 posted 06/15/18 2:46pm

Strive

rdhull said:

How long before this one goes kablooey?



It won't since they know the WB deal but I can't wait for the overpriced and butchered releases they dump onto the market. If you thought Warner was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #13 posted 06/15/18 2:47pm

tab32792

i agree wholeheartedly with this entire post!

bluefish said:

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.

Reply #14 posted 06/15/18 2:52pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Strive said:

rdhull said:

How long before this one goes kablooey?

It won't since they know the WB deal but I can't wait for the overpriced and butchered releases they dump onto the market. If you thought Warner was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.


Give Sony a chance sheesh.

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Reply #15 posted 06/15/18 2:53pm

rogifan

feeluupp said:

Millions less than the Universal deal... Wondering what Prince would think to tell him all his post WB output is worth no more than 30 million...  lol


The article said “presumably” so they have no idea.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #16 posted 06/15/18 2:54pm

rogifan

bluefish said:

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.


If this means non-WB material will finally come to iTunes and streaming services then yea!
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #17 posted 06/15/18 2:56pm

Silvertongue7

luv4u said:

 



Strive said:


rdhull said:

How long before this one goes kablooey?



It won't since they know the WB deal but I can't wait for the overpriced and butchered releases they dump onto the market. If you thought Warner was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.


Give Sony a chance sheesh.  


If they announce a new album of studio material at the same time as the official deal announcement they’ll win me over. Otherwise, I’ll be cautious...
Reply #18 posted 06/15/18 2:57pm

rdhull

rogifan said:

bluefish said:

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.

If this means non-WB material will finally come to iTunes and streaming services then yea!

Arent they already on Tidal? Im asking.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #19 posted 06/15/18 2:57pm

love2thenines2003

What are the example of very good Deluxe edition under Sony Contract? Thanx
Reply #20 posted 06/15/18 2:59pm

rogifan

Strive said:

rdhull said:

How long before this one goes kablooey?



It won't since they know the WB deal but I can't wait for the overpriced and butchered releases they dump onto the market. If you thought Warner was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

In an interview during the Musicology era Prince discussed his deal with Sony saying “they’ve just been beautiful all around”. Why all the skepticism?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #21 posted 06/15/18 3:00pm

rogifan

rdhull said:

 



rogifan said:


bluefish said:

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.



If this means non-WB material will finally come to iTunes and streaming services then yea!

Arent they already on Tidal? Im asking.


Most people don’t use Tidal. I want his music where people are.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #22 posted 06/15/18 3:02pm

rdhull

rogifan said:

rdhull said:

Arent they already on Tidal? Im asking.

Most people don’t use Tidal. I want his music where people are.

Oh, there's the rub.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #23 posted 06/15/18 3:03pm

rdhull

rogifan said:

Why all the skepticism?

lol

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #24 posted 06/15/18 3:13pm

Strive

luv4u said:

 



Strive said:


rdhull said:

How long before this one goes kablooey?



It won't since they know the WB deal but I can't wait for the overpriced and butchered releases they dump onto the market. If you thought Warner was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.


Give Sony a chance sheesh.  



The way they handled Hendrix doesn't give me much hope.

I'm guessing the future with Sony is bare reissues of all the non-WB albums "remastered", a new album of unreleased studio content that they inevitably mess up in some sort of fashion (brickwall, combining multiple takes, bringing in a third party to finish songs) and seemingly random vault releases.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #25 posted 06/15/18 3:46pm

Revolution18

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.

Reply #26 posted 06/15/18 3:48pm

IstenSzek

feeluupp said:

Millions less than the Universal deal... Wondering what Prince would think to tell him all his post WB output is worth no more than 30 million... lol



"Sony Music has struck a deal with
Prince’s estate to license the artist’s music..."


i don't know, it's not like they sold the vault, they're just licensing the stuff to sony.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #27 posted 06/15/18 3:54pm

IstenSzek

Revolution18 said:

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.


well it will make a lot of orgers happy, i guess, since it seems like everyone is always talking
about how there needs to be a greatest hits/best off release for the 93-16 period.

i could live without it, but i guess it's a part of the market that hasn't been covered yet. sony
might decided to release that. with 1 new song to make us buy it lol

after that, who knows, there are so many finished albums from the post warners period that
are just waiting to be released that it doesn't seem like they would have to scrape the barell
like they seem to be doing with the michael releases. i also think that the backlash of them
remixing or adding guest artists to prince tunes would be enormous so that might happen for
1 release and then no more.

OR that prince/justin timberlake outtake, remixed by timbaland could become the shocking
surprise number 1 single of summer 2019 and we could be stuck with those kind of shit ass
releases forever lol


neutral

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #28 posted 06/15/18 3:55pm

jstar69

Wow - will Sony release something to compete with the WB release. Strategically speaking, it’s highly likely!!!
[Edited 6/15/18 15:58pm]
Reply #29 posted 06/15/18 3:58pm

darkroman

Sony only does commercial exploitation.

sad

Reply #30 posted 06/15/18 4:05pm

tomds

Sony did the bad 25 edition which was very good. Including unreleased material and a concert dvd in a nice deluxe packaging. It had also remixes but i think they didn't have much outtakes to work.with.
They also did the king of pop compilation. They asked the fans in every big country which songs they wanted to have on the cd. The result was different issues in different countries with lots of surprises. Especially the french edition is very good including several extended versions previously only available on vinyl.
Finally the xscape cd was very good since it included the original unfinished versions combined with the remastered versions.
So I believe this deal can work out very good.
Reply #31 posted 06/15/18 4:10pm

Silvertongue7

jstar69 said:

Wow - will Sony release something to compete with the WB release. Strategically speaking, it’s highly likely!!!
[Edited 6/15/18 15:58pm]

Flooding the market with competing releases? it worked a treat in the 90s, I’m sure it will work again...
Reply #32 posted 06/15/18 4:46pm

TrivialPursuit

rdhull said:

How long before this one goes kablooey?


I wonder. Remember that there is still a pending lawsuit regarding MJ and Sony releasing Michael, an album that had songs on it that were not MJ singing. To his credit, at least Prince finished songs (mostly) opposed to MJ leaving stuff in half-assed shape for years and years.

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Reply #33 posted 06/15/18 4:52pm

williamb610

I'm cautious and happy.

Thanks Prince Estate!

Now releasey the music! Every MONTH Please!!!

NO streaming either!!! We/I want to buy and own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply #34 posted 06/15/18 5:01pm

Neversin

madison said:

Great Newz

Bart Van Hemelen

nothing but love for you man !!

i even spelled checked myself

tonk

[Edited 6/15/18 14:31pm]


[Snip - luv4u]

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

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- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #35 posted 06/15/18 5:20pm

Lovejunky

jjam said:

https://variety.com/2018/...202848408/

Sony Music has struck a deal with Prince's estate to license the artist's music that is not under contract to Warner Music, as well as much of his "vault" containing thousands of unreleased recordings, three sources close to the situation tell Variety, although it was unclear at press time whether the agreement had been finalized........

I think this is essentially a good thing...

Post WB Prince wrote many UNEXPLOITED Gems...

I use that word because most of it, with the expepiton of Musicology

did not reach the wider market place.

Sony will for certain be wanting to make lots of CA$H from their deal

and will do their best to make sure they make the most of what they have.

At the end of the day

that spells MORE Prince on the airwaves

World needs his music..

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #36 posted 06/15/18 5:37pm

Neversin

Neversin said:

madison said:

Great Newz

Bart Van Hemelen

nothing but love for you man !!

i even spelled checked myself

tonk

[Edited 6/15/18 14:31pm]


[Snip - luv4u]

Neversin.


drunk shit... but it was true...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

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- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #37 posted 06/15/18 6:06pm

BartVanHemelen

tomds said:

Sony did the bad 25 edition which was very good. Including unreleased material and a concert dvd in a nice deluxe packaging. It had also remixes but i think they didn't have much outtakes to work.with.

.

They couldn't even be bothered to compile the remixes etc.

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Reply #38 posted 06/15/18 6:10pm

Strive

Variety updated the article. https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/prince-estate-strikes-deal-with-sony-music-1202848408/

Sony Music has struck a deal with Prince’s estate to license an unspecified catalog of the artist’s music, three sources close to the situation tell Variety, although it was unclear at press time whether the agreement had been finalized.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #39 posted 06/15/18 6:19pm

Circler

For what it’s worth, I’ve always been impressed by Sony’s Legacy Recordings releases. I’m not sure I’d consider them to be the Gold Standard of archival reissues, but I personally have quite a few Legacy Edition releases in my collection and I’ve had very few complaints about the quality of remastering, packaging, or liner notes. If Sony offers the same level of care and attention to Prince’s non-WB releases that Legacy Recordings offered to Miles Davis, Jeff Buckley and others then I will be very satisfied and first in line at my local wrecka stow. So... fingers crossed.
Reply #40 posted 06/15/18 7:12pm

TurnItUp

Neversin said:

Neversin said:


[Snip - luv4u]

Neversin.


drunk shit... but it was true...

Neversin.

[Snip - luv4u]

Reply #41 posted 06/15/18 7:16pm

Militant

moderator

rogifan said:

In an interview during the Musicology era Prince discussed his deal with Sony saying “they’ve just been beautiful all around”. Why all the skepticism?


Prince was also involved in a lawsuit towards the end of his life with Sony, over the Judith Hill record.


Reply #42 posted 06/15/18 7:37pm

Haystack

TurnItUp said:

 



Neversin said:


 



Neversin said:


 



[Snip - luv4u]

Neversin.




drunk shit... but it was true...

Neversin.



 


[Snip - luv4u]



[Keep thread on topic, thanks snip - luv4u]
Reply #43 posted 06/15/18 8:13pm

Lovejunky

Militant said:

rogifan said:

In an interview during the Musicology era Prince discussed his deal with Sony saying “they’ve just been beautiful all around”. Why all the skepticism?


Prince was also involved in a lawsuit towards the end of his life with Sony, over the Judith Hill record.


Well..lets face it..

He did kind of steal her away from them...smile

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #44 posted 06/15/18 9:52pm

Goddess4Real

Lovejunky said:

Militant said:


Prince was also involved in a lawsuit towards the end of his life with Sony, over the Judith Hill record.


Well..lets face it..

He did kind of steal her away from them...smile

yeahthat lol

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #45 posted 06/15/18 10:01pm

ladygirl99

bluefish said:

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.

I agree with the release of Piano & Mic 2016 and I have a strong feeling they would attract the mass listerners.

I am also looking forward to hear his post-WB material too. lol

Reply #46 posted 06/15/18 10:32pm

mikeyaddict

bluefish said:

This is good news, IMO. Finally, an outlet for Prince's post-WB material, which frankly, I'm more interested in.

First 2 releases should be Piano & a Microphone 2016 and Black is the New Black.



Could not agree more. But is it possible they fall under that new Warner’s deal he made?
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #47 posted 06/15/18 10:41pm

bboy87

Revolution18 said:

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.

Side note...Sony didn't pick or was really in charge of the content chosen on the posthumous MJ albums. That's on MJ's estate

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Reply #48 posted 06/16/18 12:42am

humblestone

jjam said:

UPDATED: https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/prince-estate-strikes-deal-with-sony-music-1202848408/


 


UPDATED: Sony Music has struck a deal with Prince's estate to license an unspecified catalog of the artist's music, three sources close to the situation tell Variety, although it was unclear at press time whether the agreement had been finalized.....



The whole catalogue should be released by Warner!!!!
Reply #49 posted 06/16/18 1:22am

jjam

Apparently that report of Sony suing Prince re the Judith Hill album is incorrect - Prince was sued by a music producer who signed Judith Hill to a deal.

https://www.rollingstone....d-20150328

Reply #50 posted 06/16/18 1:26am

Lovejunky

jjam said:

Apparently that report of Sony suing Prince re the Judith Hill album is incorrect - Prince was sued by a music producer who signed Judith Hill to a deal.

https://www.rollingstone....d-20150328

Interesting...TMZ Strikes again...

seems like it all amounted to naught though

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #51 posted 06/16/18 2:34am

connorhawke

An interesting development.

It's good to see forward movement on all three fronts: WB, Tidal and Sony. Who cares if they clash, monopolies are never helpful.

Sony vs Warners should enable healthy competition to aim for quality releases, rather than just releasing what will sell. Now they are slightly in competition with each other for substance to attract dollars.

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Reply #52 posted 06/16/18 3:24am

ChocolateBox3121

I don't like Prince and MJ on the same label. It'll be a conflict of interest and a constant competition between them all over again. But I do feel Sony will be a better fit for his Vault of thousands of unreleased music and video footage(which I am most interested in).I want to finally see the unreleased 3121 movie that Prince spent 6 months preparing.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #53 posted 06/16/18 3:37am

Silvertongue7

I don’t know enough about the industry to have an opinion on Sony, although what some have mentioned about having an impersonator singing in that MJ album is appalling (I remember hearing about it, but I always thought it was a rumour).
I do think however that the whole catalog should be in one company so that there is a global plan on how to release it and market it. Considering how poor WBRs decisions have been so far, though, maybe they are not the company that should be in charge and Sony would be a better option. We’ll see how it goes.
One question - I understand that WBR have the rights to the outtakes from the time Prince was with them, as they paid for the studio and so on. Does this include tracks recorded entirely in Paisley Park? Was it Prince who paid the musicians and technicians involved, or was it still WBR? As I said, I don’t know much about the industry or the legal aspects of it all.
Reply #54 posted 06/16/18 4:44am

rogifan

Unspecified? What does that mean? His entire post WB catalog needs to be with one entity. Not some piecemeal thing. Ugh.
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Reply #55 posted 06/16/18 5:05am

leecaldon

bluefish said:

Vannormal said:

No one else is waiting for, lets say 1996-2003 material right now (right ?)

-


I want 2010-2016 material.

So do I.

Reply #56 posted 06/16/18 5:07am

leecaldon

Revolution18 said:

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.

Excuse me?

Reply #57 posted 06/16/18 5:50am

IstenSzek

Vannormal said:

...post 1996 work then.

Could only mean an album released with all new material... ?

No one else is waiting for, lets say 1996-2003 material right now (right ?)

-

all that (usual loud) buzz... - we'll see when I got something real in my hands (yawn)


tbh, i'd rather have the "madrid 2 chicago" right now, instead of, say "dream factory"


eek i know, it might seem shocking to some lol



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #58 posted 06/16/18 6:02am

jaypotton

Personally I think it will work out best for us fans having the post WB catalogue with a different label to WB.

Even if WB had been interested (maybe they were who knows) in securing the post 96 material, they would only been prepared to release a few things per year and would inevitably have focused on 78-95.

This way we may get multiple releases each year focusing on both halves of Prince's career which to me is a win-win.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #59 posted 06/16/18 6:07am

TrevorAyer

The good news is we may get a post wb hits package which if done well could create public interest in his later albums ... bad news is most of his later albums sucked ... i would love an UN mastered series with his most recent brickwalls presented without the butchered mastering ... alas we live in an age of deaf consumers so they will probably take the opposite approach and brickwall his whole catalog
Reply #60 posted 06/16/18 6:12am

jaypotton

TrevorAyer said:

The good news is we may get a post wb hits package which if done well could create public interest in his later albums ... bad news is most of his later albums sucked ... i would love an UN mastered series with his most recent brickwalls presented without the butchered mastering ... alas we live in an age of deaf consumers so they will probably take the opposite approach and brickwall his whole catalog


"Most of his later albums sucked" I think you missed IMHO lol
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #61 posted 06/16/18 6:33am

SchlomoThaHomo

IstenSzek said:

Vannormal said:

...post 1996 work then.

Could only mean an album released with all new material... ?

No one else is waiting for, lets say 1996-2003 material right now (right ?)

-

all that (usual loud) buzz... - we'll see when I got something real in my hands (yawn)


tbh, i'd rather have the "madrid 2 chicago" right now, instead of, say "dream factory"


eek i know, it might seem shocking to some lol




Same. Let's not forget that The Divine was recorded in 1996, which in Prince's opinion was so good he couldn't even finish listening to it. biggrin


https://usatoday30.usatod...ghts_N.htm

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #62 posted 06/16/18 6:43am

ChocolateBox3121

TrevorAyer said:

The good news is we may get a post wb hits package which if done well could create public interest in his later albums ... bad news is most of his later albums sucked ... i would love an UN mastered series with his most recent brickwalls presented without the butchered mastering ... alas we live in an age of deaf consumers so they will probably take the opposite approach and brickwall his whole catalog


[Bait snip - luv4u]

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #63 posted 06/16/18 7:10am

skywalker

The truth is that both Sony and WB will likely treat Prince's back catalog better than he ever did. I mean, it's a crime that albums like The Gold Experience and Emancipation are out of print. A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing...
"New Power slide...."
Reply #64 posted 06/16/18 7:19am

Germanegro

connorhawke said:

An interesting development.


 


It's good to see forward movement on all three fronts: WB, Tidal and Sony. Who cares if they clash, monopolies are never helpful.


 


Sony vs Warners should enable healthy competition to aim for quality releases, rather than just releasing what will sell. Now they are slightly in competition with each other for substance to attract dollars.


yeahthat For realz! This would be Prince's hottest wet dream come true, and if economically beneficial to the labels, the best situation for all of us: fans, g.p., and the family.
Reply #65 posted 06/16/18 7:20am

IstenSzek

SchlomoThaHomo said:

IstenSzek said:


tbh, i'd rather have the "madrid 2 chicago" right now, instead of, say "dream factory"


eek i know, it might seem shocking to some lol




Same. Let's not forget that The Divine was recorded in 1996, which in Prince's opinion was so good he couldn't even finish listening to it. biggrin


https://usatoday30.usatod...ghts_N.htm


oh god, "YES!" to releasing 'the divine' woot!


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #66 posted 06/16/18 7:30am

jaypotton

Curious what folks would most like to see for post Warner Bros material...

- Remastered deluxe edition albums with out takes and relevant vault material

OR

- Vault only material releases

And yes there may be sufficient material to do both of course!

Personally I am also hoping for a definitive live album series (a main concert and aftershow from each tour) ideally also with DVD!
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #67 posted 06/16/18 7:47am

Strive

leecaldon said:

 



Revolution18 said:


This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.



Excuse me?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(album)#Controversy
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #68 posted 06/16/18 8:34am

TrcikyChristopher

leecaldon said:

Revolution18 said:

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.

Excuse me?

The "impersonator's" name was Jason Malachi. He recorded what was originally touted as MJ demos, then as reference vocals, for years before the "Michael" album was released.They were all over YouTube for a while. Sony took 3 of those songs ("Breaking News", "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster") and put them on the "Michael" album as MJ originals and then pulled all evidence from YouTube, etc.

The concensus among MJ fans, and even Paris, was that Malachi was paid off by Sony to stay silent. He even admitted it was him, his manager admitted it, and then both took their stories back and said that Malachi's sites were all "hacked". A fan filed a class action lawsuit against Sony that is still pending.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...n-malachi/

[Edited 6/16/18 8:34am]

[Edited 6/16/18 8:35am]

Reply #69 posted 06/16/18 8:53am

jdcxc

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



TrevorAyer said:


The good news is we may get a post wb hits package which if done well could create public interest in his later albums ... bad news is most of his later albums sucked ... i would love an UN mastered series with his most recent brickwalls presented without the butchered mastering ... alas we live in an age of deaf consumers so they will probably take the opposite approach and brickwall his whole catalog


 


[Bait snip - luv4u]



Exactly! Sounds like one of those lazy music “journalists” that only know Purple Rain.
Reply #70 posted 06/16/18 9:22am

eyewishuheaven

Happy news. None of us is getting any younger, and I want as much of this shit in my hands as I can get while I'm still able to dance to it! lol

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #71 posted 06/16/18 9:50am

2freaky4church1

Someone in the comments said there are 3500 unrealeased songs. Hope that is right. lol

They talk about the commercial potential, but I doubt there is much now which how awful today's music is. They may sell a few thousand but not much more. Sony may not make much back.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #72 posted 06/16/18 9:58am

IstenSzek

2freaky4church1 said:

Someone in the comments said there are 3500 unrealeased songs. Hope that is right. lol

They talk about the commercial potential, but I doubt there is much now which how awful today's music is. They may sell a few thousand but not much more. Sony may not make much back.



they should just release a great 10 unreleased albums box set for $150,-

if they sell 200,000 worldwide they've already got a large chunk of their
money back. well, all of it, minus production cost.

after that they can just release whatever they want lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #73 posted 06/16/18 12:22pm

ladygirl99

TrcikyChristopher said:

leecaldon said:

Excuse me?

The "impersonator's" name was Jason Malachi. He recorded what was originally touted as MJ demos, then as reference vocals, for years before the "Michael" album was released.They were all over YouTube for a while. Sony took 3 of those songs ("Breaking News", "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster") and put them on the "Michael" album as MJ originals and then pulled all evidence from YouTube, etc.

The concensus among MJ fans, and even Paris, was that Malachi was paid off by Sony to stay silent. He even admitted it was him, his manager admitted it, and then both took their stories back and said that Malachi's sites were all "hacked". A fan filed a class action lawsuit against Sony that is still pending.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...n-malachi/

[Edited 6/16/18 8:34am]

[Edited 6/16/18 8:35am]

Typical shady industry asses. Always willing to do anything for money. I sincerely hope the fans will win the class action suit and they got mislead. Yeah, people were already suspecting a couple of tracks were sung by an impersonator so people weren't quite fooled.

Reply #74 posted 06/16/18 12:26pm

luv4u

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Reply #75 posted 06/16/18 12:44pm

purplerabbithole

I wouldn't challenge this guy's knowledge..else you are going to get a long diatribe against his later music. I disagree that post 96 music sucked. I do understand a bit where he is coming from. Hear me out. I think he did a shit job of packaging his music. Take Crystal Ball for example. Imagine if P had just put out the "Truth" album by itself and giving it the hype it deserved and had properly categorized and organized the other tracks on Crystal Ball, how much more acclaim and attention the songs would have gotten. i think it would be best to put stuff on streaming sites and have prince aficionados pick out the choice cuts from each album. there is a lot of good music there.

jdcxc said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Exactly! Sounds like one of those lazy music “journalists” that only know Purple Rain.

Reply #76 posted 06/16/18 12:47pm

purplerabbithole

Had Warner Brothers made songs from the Gold Experience, Come and Chaoes and Disorder more easiliy available now? I haven't checked spotify and I-tunes lately? I am wondering about that period between the Symbol album and 96?

Reply #77 posted 06/16/18 12:53pm

MIRvmn

IstenSzek said:

 



2freaky4church1 said:


  Someone in the comments said there are 3500 unrealeased songs.  Hope that is right.  lol


 


  They talk about the commercial potential, but I doubt there is much now which how awful today's music is.  They may sell a few thousand but not much more.  Sony may not make much back. 





they should just release a great 10 unreleased albums box set for $150,- 

if they sell 200,000 worldwide they've already got a large chunk of their
money back. well, all of it, minus production cost. 

after that they can just release whatever they want lol 



They should start with the 10 unreleased albums from 2010-2014 smile
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #78 posted 06/16/18 1:48pm

TrevorAyer

jaypotton said:

Curious what folks would most like to see for post Warner Bros material...

- Remastered deluxe edition albums with out takes and relevant vault material

OR

- Vault only material releases

And yes there may be sufficient material to do both of course!

Personally I am also hoping for a definitive live album series (a main concert and aftershow from each tour) ideally also with DVD!


I think his later live periods are the one place post wb output could truly shine

Partucularly montreaux 2013 and welcome 2 tours ... the vault can’t have much post wb ... the albums were challenging with a few bright spots but there are some tight live shows that are recent and could bring a whole new audience if the right demographic can get hooked
Reply #79 posted 06/16/18 1:55pm

IstenSzek

MIRvmn said:

IstenSzek said:



they should just release a great 10 unreleased albums box set for $150,-

if they sell 200,000 worldwide they've already got a large chunk of their
money back. well, all of it, minus production cost.

after that they can just release whatever they want lol


They should start with the 10 unreleased albums from 2010-2014 smile


TAKE-MY-MONEY-NOW! wave

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #80 posted 06/16/18 2:57pm

42Kristen

wall

Reply #81 posted 06/16/18 3:53pm

coldasice

jstar69 said:

Wow - will Sony release something to compete with the WB release. Strategically speaking, it’s highly likely!!!
[Edited 6/15/18 15:58pm]

No way. After the Jay Z compiled album it will be a while. They’re not gonna flood the market.
Reply #82 posted 06/16/18 4:40pm

Marrk

leecaldon said:

Revolution18 said:

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.

Excuse me?

'Breaking News' and 'Monster' are not MJ on vocals. Can't remember the other fake song as it's years since i bothered with it. I'm not exactly happy Sony got latter Prince. I question their integrity. Duets with Justin Timberlake anyone?

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #83 posted 06/16/18 5:03pm

Goddess4Real

Marrk said:

leecaldon said:

Excuse me?

'Breaking News' and 'Monster' are not MJ on vocals. Can't remember the other fake song as it's years since i bothered with it. I'm not exactly happy Sony got latter Prince. I question their integrity. Duets with Justin Timberlake anyone?

Oh please NO!!!!!!! hmph!

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #84 posted 06/17/18 5:50am

RODSERLING

Marrk said:

 



leecaldon said:


 



Revolution18 said:


This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.



Excuse me?



 


'Breaking News' and 'Monster' are not MJ on vocals. Can't remember the other fake song as it's years since i bothered with it. I'm not exactly happy Sony got latter Prince. I question their integrity. Duets with Justin Timberlake anyone?



Fuck it with MICHAEL, you know that crap wasn t aimed at the same audience than Prince post WB material.
.
They couldn t release the best songs for légal issues, and most of the vault has been stolen. This is not the case with Prince at all.
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I have a question : if this deal is about post 1996 matérial, what about GOLD EXPERIENCE? This is the only album with Musicology that had Hits on it.
.
The best bet is that they Will release à greatest Hits package, but how could they if there is not TMBGITW?
.
They won t put the albums on streaming : Tidal has already the rights.
.
They won t release à live dvd, as the market is Dead. Maybe on streaming services?
.
They won t release à new album neither. HNR2 was released physically one week after his death and didn t make top 40 worldwide (!). I highly doubt that 3 years After his death, it would générate more interest.
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In fact I m really wondering what could they release?
[Edited 6/17/18 5:52am]
Reply #85 posted 06/17/18 6:14am

SuperFurryAnimal

Plenty of unreleased water in the well. MJ vox imposter??! LOL. Doctoring some unreleased trax.. This is Prince and he lived and breathed music.

Trump turns from 'humbling' grief to midterm fire and furry
Reply #86 posted 06/17/18 8:56am

databank

This is the typical example of a news that isn't news. OK, so they signed a deal. What else? No specifics, nothing regarding a releases plan or program, no nothing. This is the age of information, where no information becomes information. Did one half of the vault disappear when Thanos snapped his fingers?

Ring me up when they announce something.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #87 posted 06/17/18 9:30am

Germanegro

databank said:

This is the typical example of a news that isn't news. OK, so they signed a deal. What else? No specifics, nothing regarding a releases plan or program, no nothing. This is the age of information, where no information becomes information. Did one half of the vault disappear when Thanos snapped his fingers?

Ring me up when they announce something.

lol LOL! Nice Marvel film culture reference!

>

I guess people need to "just chill" as Prince himself might say. It is good to hear that a new distribution alliance is formed so that when the time comes people will know where to look for what material comes next.

biggrin

Reply #88 posted 06/17/18 11:34am

mediumdry

I am upset about this. Not because Michael Jackson was on Epic (which became Sony) or that George Michael was on Sony, or a whole host of other artists that they (mis)treated.

.

It is because it is one of the companies that I will never buy a product from. They are actively hostile to their consumers.

.

Any company that thinks it is ok to install malware on their customer's computers and that, when caught, will apologise with "removal" software that makes it worse is a company where I feel that the entire board and senior management group should be jailed. (or at least publically flogged)

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I guess their releases will be the same for me as bootlegs. I will download them freely from whatever site or p2p channels I can find them on. (this is not stealing, simply copyright infringement) I will never spend money on anything that benefits Sony. They are evil. This is the equivalent of bringing a kebab, some steak and spare ribs when going to Paisley Park. It's just wrong.

.

Sony is the worst of the media groups out there. Oh well.

Reply #89 posted 06/17/18 12:47pm

poppys

I don't give a rat's ass if anyone does steal from Sony - or artists - that's on them. But calling it "simply copyright infringement" is hilarious. Prince would've loved that. If you're gonna steal, just be honest and call it stealing.

Reply #90 posted 06/17/18 2:50pm

lastdecember

Well lets be real the only people looking for this material are loyal fans, that is what people dont get. Universal didnt want this stuff because it felt it was paying tons of cash for albums that no one bought then. Even the WB releases or any kind of re issues are not going to hook new fans, its just not going to happen. The one album that everyone had interested in Purple Rain is has already been re issued, and re issues by rule sell about 1% of what the original sold, so do the math on all his releases and what has to go into reissues etc....


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #91 posted 06/17/18 8:22pm

jdcxc

lastdecember said:

Well lets be real the only people looking for this material are loyal fans, that is what people dont get. Universal didnt want this stuff because it felt it was paying tons of cash for albums that no one bought then. Even the WB releases or any kind of re issues are not going to hook new fans, its just not going to happen. The one album that everyone had interested in Purple Rain is has already been re issued, and re issues by rule sell about 1% of what the original sold, so do the math on all his releases and what has to go into reissues etc....



There are multiple ways Prince music can be repackaged and resold...commercials, movies, reissues, stage, entertainment venues. Sony didn’t buy this to lose money. They will be able to exploit huge money out of Prince material forever.
Reply #92 posted 06/17/18 11:58pm

mediumdry

poppys said:

I don't give a rat's ass if anyone does steal from Sony - or artists - that's on them. But calling it "simply copyright infringement" is hilarious. Prince would've loved that. If you're gonna steal, just be honest and call it stealing.

.

Prince would have been the first to tell you that words have meaning. (although he said it as "the prefix of contract is con"...)

.

The media industry (and some others) have been working hard to convince people that making a copy of something is stealing. The original is not touched, so it is not stealing. Nothing can change that. Now, I am aware that copyright infringement is against the law. I also know that the current law is unjust to an extreme. However, that has nothing to do with this thread.

.

Poppys, get a clue, copyright infringement (however against the law it might be) is not theft. Words do have meaning and it is especially important to use words correctly in this type of forum.

.

Do not fall into the propaganda by evil corporations such as Sony.

Reply #93 posted 06/18/18 2:29am

LittlePurpleYoda

"Exclusive" to Variety, more like....

Reply #94 posted 06/18/18 3:44am

Kares

mediumdry said:

poppys said:

I don't give a rat's ass if anyone does steal from Sony - or artists - that's on them. But calling it "simply copyright infringement" is hilarious. Prince would've loved that. If you're gonna steal, just be honest and call it stealing.

.

Prince would have been the first to tell you that words have meaning. (although he said it as "the prefix of contract is con"...)

.

The media industry (and some others) have been working hard to convince people that making a copy of something is stealing. The original is not touched, so it is not stealing. Nothing can change that. Now, I am aware that copyright infringement is against the law. I also know that the current law is unjust to an extreme. However, that has nothing to do with this thread.

.

Poppys, get a clue, copyright infringement (however against the law it might be) is not theft. Words do have meaning and it is especially important to use words correctly in this type of forum.

.

Do not fall into the propaganda by evil corporations such as Sony.

.
Nice try at justifying breaking laws, but apparently you have very little clue of what you're talking about.
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When someone grabs your family photos off your facebook profile and reuses them for whatever purpose, I hope you'll be cool about it as "the originals are not touched". When you release your own recordings, or you have even just a tiny record label as I had, and people repost (in other words: redistribute) your releases without your permission, I'm sure you'll just go "that's fine, as my originals are untouched."
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The thing is, what you don't seem to grasp: the "original" you're referring to is not the physical storage format (whether it's photographic paper or a memory card or magnetic tape or hard drive) that contains the work in question, but the RIGHTS of duplication. And in all of the above cases your rights are "touched" indeed, in other words: violated.
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Obviously no-one will go after you if you copy an album for your friend on a physical format. But in case you upload it to the web they can come after you and they have every right to do so, as that is indeed stealing, like it or not.
.

Another thing: businesses, incl. corporations are, in most cases, simply a bunch of people trying to make a living and create something. Some do it honestly, some dishonestly, most of them do it in many different honest and dishonest ways – just like how people act in their private lives. Calling them "evil corporations" just because they are trying to protect their assets and rights is not only ridiculous, but childish too.
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[Edited 6/18/18 4:13am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #95 posted 06/18/18 4:11am

Kares

feeluupp said:

Millions less than the Universal deal... Wondering what Prince would think to tell him all his post WB output is worth no more than 30 million... lol

.
It doesn't matter if it's "millions less" or more. That is primarily for signing the contract (but of course it can also contain a royalty-advance component). What matters is how much revenue the contract will generate for the Estate in the long run and right now we have no info on that, it would be next to impossible to predict.
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The long-term revenue will depend on the releases; how they are compiled, produced, distributed, marketed – and on the royalty the Estate will receive after the copies sold. The Estate will also have an additional revenue stream as a result of these future releases from Prince's publishing rights.
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So all things considered, the money they'll receive for signing the contract is not an indication of whether it's a better or worse agreement than the previous one. We don't know the details.
.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #96 posted 06/18/18 4:24am

Se7en

It's a very telling sign that Prince's music is so "neatly" (legally) divided into two categories: WB, and post-WB. For all intents and purposes, his "legacy" is the WB stuff. Not one album post-WB was a huge moneymaker or had big hits.

And even the "post-WB" is cloudy from 2014-2016 because he had a deal in place with WB again!


Reply #97 posted 06/18/18 4:57am

rogifan

RODSERLING said:

Marrk said:

 



leecaldon said:


 



Revolution18 said:


This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.



Excuse me?



 


'Breaking News' and 'Monster' are not MJ on vocals. Can't remember the other fake song as it's years since i bothered with it. I'm not exactly happy Sony got latter Prince. I question their integrity. Duets with Justin Timberlake anyone?



Fuck it with MICHAEL, you know that crap wasn t aimed at the same audience than Prince post WB material.
.
They couldn t release the best songs for légal issues, and most of the vault has been stolen. This is not the case with Prince at all.
.
I have a question : if this deal is about post 1996 matérial, what about GOLD EXPERIENCE? This is the only album with Musicology that had Hits on it.
.
The best bet is that they Will release à greatest Hits package, but how could they if there is not TMBGITW?
.
They won t put the albums on streaming : Tidal has already the rights.
.
They won t release à live dvd, as the market is Dead. Maybe on streaming services?
.
They won t release à new album neither. HNR2 was released physically one week after his death and didn t make top 40 worldwide (!). I highly doubt that 3 years After his death, it would générate more interest.
.
In fact I m really wondering what could they release?
[Edited 6/17/18 5:52am]

What do you mean tidal has the rights? No other streaming service can have post WB material? Is that true? Also I don’t think his later albums should be judged by whether the had top 40 CHR hits or not. The stuff that tops top 40 radio is mostly garbage these days. 3121 hit #1 on the charts and LotusFlow3r came close. I wouldn’t expect a huge uptick in sales of these albums but having his complete catalog out there for purchase/streaming on all the major services should be a priority. I hate going to iTunes and seeing such a huge gap; they have Come from 1993 and then nothing until 2014. I don’t know if TGE is WB or not but it needs to be out there too.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #98 posted 06/18/18 5:31am

mediumdry

Kares said:

mediumdry said:

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Prince would have been the first to tell you that words have meaning. (although he said it as "the prefix of contract is con"...)

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The media industry (and some others) have been working hard to convince people that making a copy of something is stealing. The original is not touched, so it is not stealing. Nothing can change that. Now, I am aware that copyright infringement is against the law. I also know that the current law is unjust to an extreme. However, that has nothing to do with this thread.

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Poppys, get a clue, copyright infringement (however against the law it might be) is not theft. Words do have meaning and it is especially important to use words correctly in this type of forum.

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Do not fall into the propaganda by evil corporations such as Sony.

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Nice try at justifying breaking laws, but apparently you have very little clue of what you're talking about.
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When someone grabs your family photos off your facebook profile and reuses them for whatever purpose, I hope you'll be cool about it as "the originals are not touched". When you release your own recordings, or you have even just a tiny record label as I had, and people repost (in other words: redistribute) your releases without your permission, I'm sure you'll just go "that's fine, as my originals are untouched."
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The thing is, what you don't seem to grasp: the "original" you're referring to is not the physical storage format (whether it's photographic paper or a memory card or magnetic tape or hard drive) that contains the work in question, but the RIGHTS of duplication. And in all of the above cases your rights are "touched" indeed, in other words: violated.
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Obviously no-one will go after you if you copy an album for your friend on a physical format. But in case you upload it to the web they can come after you and they have every right to do so, as that is indeed stealing, like it or not.
.

Another thing: businesses, incl. corporations are, in most cases, simply a bunch of people trying to make a living and create something. Some do it honestly, some dishonestly, most of them do it in many different honest and dishonest ways – just like how people act in their private lives. Calling them "evil corporations" just because they are trying to protect their assets and rights is not only ridiculous, but childish too.
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[Edited 6/18/18 4:13am]

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Kares, do not start with a strawman argument please. I did not try to justify breaking laws. I am just saying that copyright infringement is not theft. It will never be, no matter how much it might "feel" that way to someone who feels their rights are trampled upon. It is not "the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another".

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And yes, infringing on someones copyright is against the law. And in some cases morally wrong as well.

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Also, I did not say "evil corporations", I said "Sony is an evil corporation". I feel that their business tactics are reprehensible and when they are caught, their "apologies" double down on their behaviour. They feel their rights trump my rights and my property. To me, that is so far over the line that it is hard to ever come back from that. That, to me, is simply evil. And Sony has done that and has expressed opinions that they'd want to go further than they already went. I will not buy anything from such a company. That is my right. I also want to listen to Prince's music. If it comes out on Sony, I will get the music through means may not be legal, but they are not theft.

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Kares, whatever reasons you have for trying to further the actions of those that hold "intellectual property" that's fine. If you believe that moving to further the duration of copyrights and expanding the policing powers of corporations and trampling competing rights that the people have is the right thing to do, we simply disagree. If you think my opinions are childish, that's fine. You, like poppys, come across to me as short-sighted and trigger happy, spouting garbage before you read and comprehend. All in a days work on the Internet, I suppose.

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But do not try and throw opinions on me that I do not say. It is sloppy at best and evil tactics at worst.

Reply #99 posted 06/18/18 5:57am

ChocolateBox3121

Se7en said:

It's a very telling sign that Prince's music is so "neatly" (legally) divided into two categories: WB, and post-WB. For all intents and purposes, his "legacy" is the WB stuff. Not one album post-WB was a huge moneymaker or had big hits.

And even the "post-WB" is cloudy from 2014-2016 because he had a deal in place with WB again!


"The music business runs like this U have a manager,a attorney,various record company people, EVERYBODY is taking a cut of EVERYTHING When your in the club(the fold)EVERYBODY is getting a cut of touring, publishing, endorsements etc. When they getting a piece of ALL that. U WILL have hit records. But the minute U try to step away from all of that and take control of your own. You'll find U not hot anymore."

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #100 posted 06/18/18 6:06am

jjam

mediumdry said:

Kares said:

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Nice try at justifying breaking laws, but apparently you have very little clue of what you're talking about.
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When someone grabs your family photos off your facebook profile and reuses them for whatever purpose, I hope you'll be cool about it as "the originals are not touched". When you release your own recordings, or you have even just a tiny record label as I had, and people repost (in other words: redistribute) your releases without your permission, I'm sure you'll just go "that's fine, as my originals are untouched."
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The thing is, what you don't seem to grasp: the "original" you're referring to is not the physical storage format (whether it's photographic paper or a memory card or magnetic tape or hard drive) that contains the work in question, but the RIGHTS of duplication. And in all of the above cases your rights are "touched" indeed, in other words: violated.
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Obviously no-one will go after you if you copy an album for your friend on a physical format. But in case you upload it to the web they can come after you and they have every right to do so, as that is indeed stealing, like it or not.
.

Another thing: businesses, incl. corporations are, in most cases, simply a bunch of people trying to make a living and create something. Some do it honestly, some dishonestly, most of them do it in many different honest and dishonest ways – just like how people act in their private lives. Calling them "evil corporations" just because they are trying to protect their assets and rights is not only ridiculous, but childish too.
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[Edited 6/18/18 4:13am]

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Kares, do not start with a strawman argument please. I did not try to justify breaking laws. I am just saying that copyright infringement is not theft. It will never be, no matter how much it might "feel" that way to someone who feels their rights are trampled upon. It is not "the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another".

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And yes, infringing on someones copyright is against the law. And in some cases morally wrong as well.

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Also, I did not say "evil corporations", I said "Sony is an evil corporation". I feel that their business tactics are reprehensible and when they are caught, their "apologies" double down on their behaviour. They feel their rights trump my rights and my property. To me, that is so far over the line that it is hard to ever come back from that. That, to me, is simply evil. And Sony has done that and has expressed opinions that they'd want to go further than they already went. I will not buy anything from such a company. That is my right. I also want to listen to Prince's music. If it comes out on Sony, I will get the music through means may not be legal, but they are not theft.

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Kares, whatever reasons you have for trying to further the actions of those that hold "intellectual property" that's fine. If you believe that moving to further the duration of copyrights and expanding the policing powers of corporations and trampling competing rights that the people have is the right thing to do, we simply disagree. If you think my opinions are childish, that's fine. You, like poppys, come across to me as short-sighted and trigger happy, spouting garbage before you read and comprehend. All in a days work on the Internet, I suppose.

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But do not try and throw opinions on me that I do not say. It is sloppy at best and evil tactics at worst.

mediumdry, copyright benefits the creator of the work first and foremost. It is up to them who they assign the copyright.

Reply #101 posted 06/18/18 7:03am

Kares

mediumdry said:

Kares said:

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Nice try at justifying breaking laws, but apparently you have very little clue of what you're talking about.
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When someone grabs your family photos off your facebook profile and reuses them for whatever purpose, I hope you'll be cool about it as "the originals are not touched". When you release your own recordings, or you have even just a tiny record label as I had, and people repost (in other words: redistribute) your releases without your permission, I'm sure you'll just go "that's fine, as my originals are untouched."
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The thing is, what you don't seem to grasp: the "original" you're referring to is not the physical storage format (whether it's photographic paper or a memory card or magnetic tape or hard drive) that contains the work in question, but the RIGHTS of duplication. And in all of the above cases your rights are "touched" indeed, in other words: violated.
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Obviously no-one will go after you if you copy an album for your friend on a physical format. But in case you upload it to the web they can come after you and they have every right to do so, as that is indeed stealing, like it or not.
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Another thing: businesses, incl. corporations are, in most cases, simply a bunch of people trying to make a living and create something. Some do it honestly, some dishonestly, most of them do it in many different honest and dishonest ways – just like how people act in their private lives. Calling them "evil corporations" just because they are trying to protect their assets and rights is not only ridiculous, but childish too.
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[Edited 6/18/18 4:13am]

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Kares, do not start with a strawman argument please. I did not try to justify breaking laws. I am just saying that copyright infringement is not theft. It will never be, no matter how much it might "feel" that way to someone who feels their rights are trampled upon. It is not "the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another".

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And yes, infringing on someones copyright is against the law. And in some cases morally wrong as well.

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Also, I did not say "evil corporations", I said "Sony is an evil corporation".

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But do not try and throw opinions on me that I do not say. It is sloppy at best and evil tactics at worst.

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You ARE trying to justify breaking laws. You are saying that copyright infringement is not theft (using an ignorant and ridiculous argument such as "the original is untouched") while in fact it IS.
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Also, you DID say "evil corporationS SUCH AS Sony" – and calling either Sony or other companies evil just because they try to protect their assets and rights IS childish.
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Have a nice day.

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #102 posted 06/18/18 7:14am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

^^^^^^ lurking move on............

Stay on topic!

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Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #103 posted 06/18/18 7:25am

mediumdry

Kares said:

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You ARE trying to justify breaking laws. You are saying that copyright infringement is not theft (using an ignorant and ridiculous argument such as "the original is untouched") while in fact it IS.
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Also, you DID say "evil corporationS SUCH AS Sony" – and calling either Sony or other companies evil just because they try to protect their assets and rights IS childish.
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Have a nice day.

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Sigh....

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If I steal your copyright, I have it. If I copy your copyrighted work, I infringe on your copyright. There are many things against the law. They are not all stealing. And some unlawful acts are misdemeanors and some are crimes (an important distinction). Infringement (without monetary gain) has already been dragged into the criminal sphere. Still doesn't make it theft. How difficult is it to see the distinction? If I run a red light I did not steal safe passage from a pedestrian about to cross the zebra path. What is your obsession with calling it stealing?

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I'm sorry you were thrown by "evil corporations such as Sony". There are many types of corporations, including those that act in ways I find evil. Not all do, luckily.

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And lastly, it is my right to not want you to walk on my lawn. If, however, you do and I shoot you in the kneecaps, I will still be prosecuted (in any civilised country, stand your ground my ass). It is about proportionality and keeping in mind that you can have rights, but I also have them. If your reaction to people insulting you is always to bash in their skulls, authoritites might remove you from society. "I was just protecting my good name" is not a valid defense.

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If a company sells cds and says they conform to the red book standard, but instead they install malware on a computer that the company does not own, on the presumption that some of their customers might make a copy of the contents of the cd, then they have far exceeded what is proportional, moral and lawful. If calling Sony out for doing that and more is childish... then I hope everyone will be childish.

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PS luv4u, sorry, saw your remark only after I posted. I'll leave it alone from here on out.

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Reply #104 posted 06/18/18 10:39am

IstenSzek

anywho. i wonder if the post WB vault is already catalogued. you'd think that a company
that pays 30 mil for licensing would like to know exactly what it is they are getting rights
to.

WB seem to be well underway to catalogueing the vault up to 93 or so (given some bits
and pieces of info that were reported by 3rd parties about previews being given to them
of material that seems to span beyond just 78/84)

but has anyone done the work yet on everything 93-10?

how do you negotiate such a deal? it would be very interesting to know some more of the
details. who knows, perhaps sony will be a little less stingy with information in the future.

but it would seem, to my reasoning, that if the whole post WB vault still needs to have a
decent going through and catalogueing and in earlier parts also digitizing etc, it will be a
while before sony will release anything.

unless there are things in there that are 'ready to go' which were previewed to them as a
means of securing the deal.

also, does sony now have the right to re-distrubute all the post warners album that were
released in one off deals with other labels such as arista for Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic?
we know that prince kept the mastertapes to all those later albums and only had deals in
place with these companies to distribute (or license?) these albums (at least we think he
did it that way as that was what was being reported).

but why did he never sell those albums on his websites anymore? they finally showed up
for the most part on Tidal, but is that the same thing, in regards to rights and licensing
and such, as selling them on your own website, or even on itunes?

some of you know a lot more about that i guess and it may seem like a lot of silly/stupid
questions but these are the things that are interesting, to me. i'd love to know more and
read up on these things. maybe information about this already became available in the
past year or so and i just missed it?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #105 posted 06/18/18 10:51am

TrevorAyer

Honestly I would be tempted to pay for a book that simply lists every thing they found in the vault
Reply #106 posted 06/18/18 10:52am

IstenSzek

TrevorAyer said:

Honestly I would be tempted to pay for a book that simply lists every thing they found in the vault


same here smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #107 posted 06/18/18 2:56pm

mediumdry

How well did Prince take care of labeling recordings? I mean, will there be a long process of determining just which songs are part of WB and which parts are from later? And how will they deal with all the tracks that are partially recorded in the WB timeframe and partially after?

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I kind of wish WB would have gotten the rights to everything, as I can see it taking a long time to resolve issues if there hasn't been excellent record keeping.

Reply #108 posted 06/18/18 4:17pm

RODSERLING

rogifan said:

RODSERLING said:



Fuck it with MICHAEL, you know that crap wasn t aimed at the same audience than Prince post WB material.
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They couldn t release the best songs for légal issues, and most of the vault has been stolen. This is not the case with Prince at all.
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I have a question : if this deal is about post 1996 matérial, what about GOLD EXPERIENCE? This is the only album with Musicology that had Hits on it.
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The best bet is that they Will release à greatest Hits package, but how could they if there is not TMBGITW?
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They won t put the albums on streaming : Tidal has already the rights.
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They won t release à live dvd, as the market is Dead. Maybe on streaming services?
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They won t release à new album neither. HNR2 was released physically one week after his death and didn t make top 40 worldwide (!). I highly doubt that 3 years After his death, it would générate more interest.
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In fact I m really wondering what could they release?
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What do you mean tidal has the rights? No other streaming service can have post WB material? Is that true? Also I don’t think his later albums should be judged by whether the had top 40 CHR hits or not. The stuff that tops top 40 radio is mostly garbage these days. 3121 hit #1 on the charts and LotusFlow3r came close. I wouldn’t expect a huge uptick in sales of these albums but having his complete catalog out there for purchase/streaming on all the major services should be a priority. I hate going to iTunes and seeing such a huge gap; they have Come from 1993 and then nothing until 2014. I don’t know if TGE is WB or not but it needs to be out there too.


Since two years has passed since Prince'death, and the new deal with Tidal considering à new album, that implies that only Tidal has the rights for every album released after 1993.
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3121 was released 12 years ago.
Lotus Flower was released 9 years ago, with an agressive Price for a triple album.
HNR1 was released 3 years ago and was a major flop.
HNR2 was physically released two yezrs ago ago, just After his passing, and it was a major flop.
So, in this context, à new album from recent material won t do better.
Reply #109 posted 06/18/18 4:47pm

BanishedBrian

TrevorAyer said:

i would love an UN mastered series with his most recent brickwalls presented without the butchered mastering ... alas we live in an age of deaf consumers so they will probably take the opposite approach and brickwall his whole catalog


Co-sign

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No Candy 4 Me
Reply #110 posted 06/19/18 2:53am

Knightoflight

love2thenines2003 said:

What are the example of very good Deluxe edition under Sony Contract? Thanx

http://www.michaeljackson.com/music/thriller-25th-super-deluxe-edition/

Reply #111 posted 06/19/18 2:56am

Knightoflight

tomds said:

Sony did the bad 25 edition which was very good. Including unreleased material and a concert dvd in a nice deluxe packaging. It had also remixes but i think they didn't have much outtakes to work.with. They also did the king of pop compilation. They asked the fans in every big country which songs they wanted to have on the cd. The result was different issues in different countries with lots of surprises. Especially the french edition is very good including several extended versions previously only available on vinyl. Finally the xscape cd was very good since it included the original unfinished versions combined with the remastered versions. So I believe this deal can work out very good.

+1

Reply #112 posted 06/19/18 3:31am

love2thenines2003

SONY is not the best choice 4 sure but in the end this is The Estate/Troy Carter who will have the Final Word for whatever the Release!
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Reply #113 posted 06/19/18 6:44am

Knightoflight

leecaldon said:

Revolution18 said:

This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.

Excuse me?

that is sad but true sad((

infamous Jason Malachi

Reply #114 posted 06/19/18 7:06am

daqueria1998

biggrin cool this deal seems okay maybe they will let the family stream music on the prince estate site, the paisley park site and other sites maybe or they can make they own site and ask to stream music on their site. I noticed Sony lets fans stream music on their fan sites as long as its copyrighted material and allowed by the label and not bootleg material.

Welcome to "the org", daqueria1998… open your heart, open your mind.
Reply #115 posted 06/19/18 7:36am

NME01

jdcxc said:

lastdecember said:

Well lets be real the only people looking for this material are loyal fans, that is what people dont get. Universal didnt want this stuff because it felt it was paying tons of cash for albums that no one bought then. Even the WB releases or any kind of re issues are not going to hook new fans, its just not going to happen. The one album that everyone had interested in Purple Rain is has already been re issued, and re issues by rule sell about 1% of what the original sold, so do the math on all his releases and what has to go into reissues etc....

There are multiple ways Prince music can be repackaged and resold...commercials, movies, reissues, stage, entertainment venues. Sony didn’t buy this to lose money. They will be able to exploit huge money out of Prince material forever.

With all due respect. The opportuntiy for new formats and platforms is still limited by the original value of the material in question.

Not going to put on a broadway show that sells off the back of Gold Experience outtakes.

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Reply #116 posted 06/19/18 2:42pm

tomds

Knightoflight said:

 



leecaldon said:


 



Revolution18 said:


This is terrible news. I hope I am wrong but after what Sony did to the Michael Jackson releases I don't hold much hope. Here some info for those who don't no. First MJ release was a greatest hits from "This Is It" this had one new song and album versions of hits with the also the movie. (That actually was decent) The next album was "Michael" 3 of the ten tracks were sung by an impersonater and not Michael the other 7 songs were produced ok but none of the songs were fully the way Michael left them. Then there was immortal a remix album for cirque. This would of been better if they had got the actual producers who worked on the music to make this remix album just like they got George Martin and his son to remix The Beatles for the "Love Album" Then we got Xscape which was remixed by Timberland. That was ok but I don't like the thought of anybody touching Prince's music let alone making songs into duets that didn't happen like they did with Michael and Justin Timberlake. Then the latest release has been another greatest hits. Sorry for the rant but I really don't hold much faith in Sony.



Excuse me?



that is sad but true sad((

infamous Jason Malachi


you can compare this is it with 4ever: a compilation with only one new song. Published by....WB.
The duet between mj and justin was good. It brought mj back to the attention of the masses and was a big hit. Meaning lots of money. That's a good thing to keep the estate alive. They can do the same thing with prince. Release a duet with bruno mars for instance. Why this can be good you ask ? Because along with the justin duet they also released the original version without any overdubs or remixes. They can release whatever they want. I don't care. As long as the diehards can have the originals. Two birds with one stone. Cash and hits thanks to the duet and historical content for the diehards. No harm in that. That's why I also liked the elvis remixes. Not because of the remixes itself. But because we got the original unreleased version as well.
Reply #117 posted 06/19/18 3:00pm

databank

Knightoflight said:

leecaldon said:

Excuse me?

that is sad but true sad((

infamous Jason Malachi

AFAIK nothing has been proven yet.

So, no.

Sad but possible.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #118 posted 06/19/18 3:12pm

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

HNR2 was released physically one week after his death and didn t make top 40 worldwide (!).


I bought the physical release of HNR2 several months before his death.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #119 posted 06/19/18 3:20pm

ChocolateBox3121

tomds said:

Knightoflight said:

that is sad but true sad((

infamous Jason Malachi

you can compare this is it with 4ever: a compilation with only one new song. Published by....WB. The duet between mj and justin was good. It brought mj back to the attention of the masses and was a big hit. Meaning lots of money. That's a good thing to keep the estate alive. They can do the same thing with prince. Release a duet with bruno mars for instance. Why this can be good you ask ? Because along with the justin duet they also released the original version without any overdubs or remixes. They can release whatever they want. I don't care. As long as the diehards can have the originals. Two birds with one stone. Cash and hits thanks to the duet and historical content for the diehards. No harm in that. That's why I also liked the elvis remixes. Not because of the remixes itself. But because we got the original unreleased version as well.

NEVER!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #120 posted 06/19/18 5:01pm

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

HNR2 was physically released two yezrs ago ago, just After his passing


HNR2 was physically released 2016-01-21, 3 months BEFORE his passing. Just sayin'...

http://www.princevault.co..._Phase_Two

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #121 posted 06/19/18 5:55pm

bonatoc

darkroman said:

Sony only does commercial exploitation.

sad



Surely you don't mean Columbia.

If they're smart (or stealin' all our clever advice — and we ain't got payed a dime!), they're going for the Bootleg Series approach.
That's proper commercial "exploitation". The one where you don't fuck the customer where the sun doesn't shine.

Doing commerce doesn't necessarily mean "exploiting".


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #122 posted 06/20/18 5:48am

rogifan

RODSERLING said:

rogifan said:


What do you mean tidal has the rights? No other streaming service can have post WB material? Is that true? Also I don’t think his later albums should be judged by whether the had top 40 CHR hits or not. The stuff that tops top 40 radio is mostly garbage these days. 3121 hit #1 on the charts and LotusFlow3r came close. I wouldn’t expect a huge uptick in sales of these albums but having his complete catalog out there for purchase/streaming on all the major services should be a priority. I hate going to iTunes and seeing such a huge gap; they have Come from 1993 and then nothing until 2014. I don’t know if TGE is WB or not but it needs to be out there too.


Since two years has passed since Prince'death, and the new deal with Tidal considering à new album, that implies that only Tidal has the rights for every album released after 1993.
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3121 was released 12 years ago.
Lotus Flower was released 9 years ago, with an agressive Price for a triple album.
HNR1 was released 3 years ago and was a major flop.
HNR2 was physically released two yezrs ago ago, just After his passing, and it was a major flop.
So, in this context, à new album from recent material won t do better.

A flop based on what? Billboard charts? Considering the music that dominates these days I would never expect a Prince album to sell tons of copies or have a billion streams on Spotify or whatever.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #123 posted 06/24/18 7:30pm

RODSERLING

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


HNR2 was physically released two yezrs ago ago, just After his passing


HNR2 was physically released 2016-01-21, 3 months BEFORE his passing. Just sayin'...

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Hitnrun_Phase_Two


 


 



No, it was only available in one store in the USa. It wasn t available beyond one fucking store, and you call that à physical release?
Reply #124 posted 06/24/18 7:37pm

RODSERLING

rogifan said:

RODSERLING said:



Since two years has passed since Prince'death, and the new deal with Tidal considering à new album, that implies that only Tidal has the rights for every album released after 1993.
.
3121 was released 12 years ago.
Lotus Flower was released 9 years ago, with an agressive Price for a triple album.
HNR1 was released 3 years ago and was a major flop.
HNR2 was physically released two yezrs ago ago, just After his passing, and it was a major flop.
So, in this context, à new album from recent material won t do better.

A flop based on what? Billboard charts? Considering the music that dominates these days I would never expect a Prince album to sell tons of copies or have a billion streams on Spotify or whatever.


I think that peaking at only #40 one week, and then disappearing from the top 200 is what you Can call à major flop for an artist like that.

Especially just After his death, you would thought that it would attract some people...It sold only 57.000 ex since its initial release ! That s about what à new album would make if it was released.
Reply #125 posted 06/25/18 4:54am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:


HNR2 was physically released 2016-01-21, 3 months BEFORE his passing. Just sayin'...

http://www.princevault.co..._Phase_Two

No, it was only available in one store in the USa. It wasn t available beyond one fucking store, and you call that à physical release?


Since I had a physical copy in my hand, and I live in Kentucky, yes. A physical release by mail is a physical release. Was GoldNigga a physical release? How about the 5CD Crystal Ball? They weren't in ANY stores. So yes, it was physically released 3 months prior to his passing. Whether it was widely available in all stores or not is another matter entirely.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #126 posted 06/26/18 11:16am

jaypotton

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


HNR2 was physically released two yezrs ago ago, just After his passing


HNR2 was physically released 2016-01-21, 3 months BEFORE his passing. Just sayin'...

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Hitnrun_Phase_Two


 


 



No, it was only available in one store in the USa. It wasn t available beyond one fucking store, and you call that à physical release?


Hate to break it to you but the world consists of a lot more than just the USA. I too had a physical copy before he died and I live in the UK.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #127 posted 06/26/18 11:29am

Silvertongue7

By the way, has this been officially announced?
Reply #128 posted 06/26/18 12:22pm

Strive

Silvertongue7 said:

By the way, has this been officially announced?


Not yet but Variety usually only reports from credible inside sources leaking them information.

I'd guess they're waiting to send out a press release until they have more information to release. Like what future releases they have slated.
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Reply #129 posted 06/26/18 12:32pm

Silvertongue7

Strive said:

Silvertongue7 said:

By the way, has this been officially announced?


Not yet but Variety usually only reports from credible inside sources leaking them information.

I'd guess they're waiting to send out a press release until they have my information to release. Like what future releases they have slated.

Thanks smile
Reply #130 posted 06/27/18 6:54am

rogifan

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-estate-sony-ink-distribution-deal-for-35-previously-released-albums-w522089

To cap off the deal, Legacy has also secured the distribution rights to 12 Prince albums originally released between 1978 and 1996, though the label will have to wait until 2021 to make those available. This portion of Prince's catalog includes classics such as his 1979 self-titled effort, Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Sign 'O' The Times and Lovesexy. However, Legacy will not own the distribution rights to Prince's soundtrack albums like Purple Rain and Under the Cherry Moon.


What does this mean? Do rights revert from WB to Sony/Legacy? And why wouldn’t it include albums like PR and Parade? Seems very confusing.
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Reply #131 posted 06/27/18 6:55am

Militant

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URL: http://new.prince.org/msg/7/455152/Prince-Estate-Strikes-Deal-With-Sony-Music-EXCLUSIVE

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