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Militant

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Prince 1983 Piano Rehearsals to be released (UPDATE - Confirmed, Piano & A Microphone 1983)

ORIGINAL POST - JUNE 6th

Take with a grain of salt. This is the latest rumor flying around.

The OTHER rumor flying around is release of Piano & A Microphone.

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SUBSEQUENT UPDATES :

June 7th - Looks like we were right, and both rumors were one and the same. 1983 Piano Rehearsals, re-named "Piano & A Microphone 1983".

More to come!

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Reply #1 posted 06/06/18 4:15pm

jjam

Underwhelmed by this. I think I'd be more excited by his cover of Hey Hannigan being released.

Reply #2 posted 06/06/18 4:20pm

LovePaisley

Oh yes , please. I love that idea.
And the MUSIC continues...forever...
Reply #3 posted 06/06/18 4:33pm

djThunderfunk

Of all the possible releases, this one seems unlikely. I could see the piano rehearsals being a bonus on Piano & Microphone release, though.

But by itself, the piano rehearsals for sure seem like a "fans only" release that wouldn't go over with the masses.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #4 posted 06/06/18 4:46pm

NorthC

Piano & Microphone would also be a fan's only release, but since it was Prince's last tour, it would make more sense than a 35 year old rehearsal.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #5 posted 06/06/18 4:58pm

jjam

I agree. This is a poor choice to commemorate his birthday two years after he passed. As a promotional exercise & birthday tribute, the Piano & A Microphone show would be far better.

Reply #6 posted 06/06/18 5:12pm

djThunderfunk

NorthC said:

Piano & Microphone would also be a fan's only release, but since it was Prince's last tour, it would make more sense than a 35 year old rehearsal.


I don't know about that. If they marketed the Atlanta shows right, as his last concert, and featuring so many hits, it could do well with the masses.



[Edited 6/6/18 17:12pm]

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #7 posted 06/06/18 5:12pm

Marrk

As it's only a rumour and you're only really promoting your own YouTube channel, i really think this should be moved here >>>>> Art, Podcasts, & Fan Content

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #8 posted 06/06/18 7:20pm

thedoorkeeper

I heard a rumour 2 - and that rumour is that nothing will be released until September. You just watch!
Reply #9 posted 06/06/18 7:34pm

EddieC

jjam said:

Underwhelmed by this. I think I'd be more excited by his cover of Hey Hannigan being released.

Wait--the piano rehearsal version from 1977? Where Bobby walks into the room about the midpoint and trips, knocking Prince's can of Coke onto the keyboard and Prince calls him a cabbagehead?

I hope so. My old vinyl was hissy and has developed a bunch of pops.

Reply #10 posted 06/06/18 7:46pm

Strive

There’s a possibility that The Prince Estate are about to announce/release Prince’s Fall 1983 piano rehearsal sessions, previously bootlegged under the name “Intimate Moments”.

The rehearsal features Prince, just playing piano, working through songs such as “17 Days”, “Purple Rain”, “Strange Relationship” and the gospel spiritual, “Mary Don’t You Weep”. It’s an amazing intimate look into a genius at work, with songs that we all know stripped down to their raw elements.

Man if we got this, the Warner album and the Tidal album within a year's time. That'd be wild.



It'd also make sense for the estate to test the water with those three releases to see what the market wants and what it can bear.

[Edited 6/6/18 19:48pm]

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Reply #11 posted 06/06/18 8:09pm

mbdtyler

I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't have much interest in any of the rehearsals (least of all piano rehearsals) or soundchecks. They'd be cool to check out just once on a rainy day, but not something I'd go out and purchase or get excited about. I just want studio material lol

Reply #12 posted 06/06/18 10:35pm

LeGrinde

mbdtyler said:

I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't have much interest in any of the rehearsals (least of all piano rehearsals) or soundchecks. They'd be cool to check out just once on a rainy day, but not something I'd go out and purchase or get excited about. I just want studio material lol

If you are in the minority, I am right there with you. I much prefered the earlier rumor that is was The Family album with Prince's vocals--not that that is ideal, but better than a piano rehersal most of us have heard.

I am just hoping it is something entirely unknown, with a max of 2 songs that maybe circulated in a rough version. Who knows what all Prince recorded, really?

Reply #13 posted 06/06/18 10:38pm

Silvertongue7

This would be great as a surprise release, if it just dropped online today. I’d rather have studio material for the September release though...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #14 posted 06/06/18 10:39pm

FragileUndertow

I seen this on YouTube earlier today!
Oh wait was you cool lol


Honestly I don't expect anything, but it sure be nice
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I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #15 posted 06/07/18 12:28am

dodger

djThunderfunk said:

NorthC said:

Piano & Microphone would also be a fan's only release, but since it was Prince's last tour, it would make more sense than a 35 year old rehearsal.


I don't know about that. If they marketed the Atlanta shows right, as his last concert, and featuring so many hits, it could do well with the masses.



[Edited 6/6/18 17:12pm]

Agree 100% with DJ.

Plus this would honour Prince's wishes after he talked about releasing this at the last PP party.

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But saying that, Mathieu Bitton tweeted a piano and mic emoji and then replied to someone saying 'not necessarily what you think' so maybe it is the 83 rehearsals...

Reply #16 posted 06/07/18 12:37am

udo

djThunderfunk said:

I don't know about that. If they marketed the Atlanta shows right, as his last concert, and featuring so many hits, it could do well with the masses.

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Just one show? neutral

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #17 posted 06/07/18 12:59am

databank

I can't see the video since no embeded vid will work on the Org for me now, so I'll only react to the OP. Not sure if we're talking about already bootlegged "Intimate Moments" rehearsals, some unheard material or both but I think this is typically the type of material that could generate critical acclaim and public interest: not radio friendly but unique enough to showcase a specific aspect of P's talent. Releasing this on WB in 2018 and Atlanta 2016 on Tidal the following year would make for an interesting new combo.

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But honestly I don't really give a fuck anymore at this stage. Prince is gone and I'm slowly losing interest. I expect more "fanmade" crap like NC2U and RG/OD, so anything that hasn't been tinkered with would be welcome, though, but while I'm sure there are still things in that vault that would blow me away, I doubt what's gonna be released next Fall will be of much interest for old timers.

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Reply #18 posted 06/07/18 1:08am

JorisE73

I wonder how complete this rehearsal would be becuase some people claim the estate likes to edit perfectly good material to their personal liking and release those to us when they decided it was good enough for us to hear.

Reply #19 posted 06/07/18 2:40am

udo

JorisE73 said:

I wonder how complete this rehearsal would be becuase some people claim the estate likes to edit perfectly good material to their personal liking and release those to us when they decided it was good enough for us to hear.

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Sounds like censorship to me.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #20 posted 06/07/18 2:44am

jaawwnn

It'd be an interesting release wouldn't it? I wouldn't be against it, i'd kind of prefer some of his more esoteric stuff getting an official release over MJ-estate style posthumous attempts at a hit single, but that's just me.

Reply #21 posted 06/07/18 3:13am

OperatingThetan

There was also a rumour that the Estate was considering releasing 'Prince and the Band'. As it's a post-Warners song I assume that would be for the Tidal album release

I'm still curious about the rumoured 2008 funk album that included 'Prince and the Band' and 'Turn me Loose'. That would be a great choice for an album release.
Reply #22 posted 06/07/18 3:36am

Papaj

Not a rumour anymore.

"Mary Don't You Weep" by Prince

http://tidal.com/album/89728840
[Edited 6/7/18 3:37am]
We Can Funk
Reply #23 posted 06/07/18 3:57am

PurpleSkipper58

So far they just released “Mary Don’t You Weep”
But apparently they’re going to release this like this
Piano & A Microphone 1983
1) 17 Days
2) Purple Rain
3) A Case of You
4) Mary Don’t You Weep
5) Strange Relationship
6) International Lover
7) Wednesday
8) Cold Coffee & Cocaine
9) Why The Butterflies
[Edited 6/7/18 3:58am]
Reply #24 posted 06/07/18 4:00am

jaawwnn

Wait, so is this the Tidal release or is it going to be elsewhere as well?

Reply #25 posted 06/07/18 4:01am

jjam

Yawn.

Reply #26 posted 06/07/18 4:03am

dodger

PurpleSkipper58 said:

So far they just released “Mary Don’t You Weep”
But apparently they’re going to release this like this
Piano & A Microphone 1983
1) 17 Days
2) Purple Rain
3) A Case of You
4) Mary Don’t You Weep
5) Strange Relationship
6) International Lover
7) Wednesday
8) Cold Coffee & Cocaine
9) Why The Butterflies
[Edited 6/7/18 3:58am]


Yes on iTunes listed as 14th Sept release with Mary Don’t You Weep available now
Reply #27 posted 06/07/18 4:03am

billymeade

jaawwnn said:

Wait, so is this the Tidal release or is it going to be elsewhere as well?


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Its everywhere
Reply #28 posted 06/07/18 4:04am

feeluupp

From PRINCE FB PAGE:


This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of Prince - solo with just a piano and a microphone.

The private rehearsal recoding, captured at Prince’s home studio in Chanhassen, Minnesota, provides a rare, intimate glimpse into the iconic artist's creative process as he works through songs including “17 Days,” “Purple Rain,” “Strange Relationship” and “International Lover”.

The performance is a truly unique insight into Prince’s timeless genius. Announced today, June 7th, 2018, on what would have been Prince’s 60th birthday.

Pre-order your copy on CD/LP/Deluxe/Digital: https://lnk.to/PrincePAAM
Listen to ‘Mary Don’t You Weep’ from the album right now: https://lnk.to/PrinceMDYW

Reply #29 posted 06/07/18 4:05am

jaawwnn

billymeade said:

jaawwnn said:

Wait, so is this the Tidal release or is it going to be elsewhere as well?

. Its everywhere

Cool thanks. Just appeared on Spotify for me there

Reply #30 posted 06/07/18 4:05am

PurpleSkipper58

dodger said:

PurpleSkipper58 said:

So far they just released “Mary Don’t You Weep”
But apparently they’re going to release this like this
Piano & A Microphone 1983
1) 17 Days
2) Purple Rain
3) A Case of You
4) Mary Don’t You Weep
5) Strange Relationship
6) International Lover
7) Wednesday
8) Cold Coffee & Cocaine
9) Why The Butterflies
[Edited 6/7/18 3:58am]

We have to wait until September 14th?? Ugh that’s too long. Oh well. At least we all have reasons to make it till September
Yes on iTunes listed as 14th Sept release with Mary Don’t You Weep available now
Reply #31 posted 06/07/18 4:08am

PurpleSkipper58

Oh (this is completely random but has to do with reasons to make it to September) and the new Spider-Man video game comes out in September... that’s looking to be a great month!
Reply #32 posted 06/07/18 4:09am

purplerabbithole

Why don't they just release the Piano and Microphone tour. This is cool. But the downside is that it is just more eighties outtakes (many of them are of already released songs.)

Reply #33 posted 06/07/18 4:10am

feeluupp

It's cool but a little underwhelmed... I think the estate could've done much better, and to be honest for this to be the first official release of his unreleased music... They could've done much much better.

Reply #34 posted 06/07/18 4:10am

jaawwnn

purplerabbithole said:

Why don't they just release the Piano and Microphone tour. This is cool. But the downside is that it is just more eighties outtakes (many of them are of already released songs.)

delete ur account





(just kidding)

Reply #35 posted 06/07/18 4:11am

Papaj

Edited.

[Edited 6/7/18 4:21am]

We Can Funk
Reply #36 posted 06/07/18 4:15am

billymeade

How does this site not have this as news?
Reply #37 posted 06/07/18 4:15am

jaawwnn

I'm glad that this is the stuff coming out, not hit-chasing remixes. Yes I already have the bootlegs but that's neither here nor there, it's a cool release to have officially. There's loads of other stuff i'd prefer to come out personally but whatever, i never thought they'd be daring enough to release something like this. Kudos.

[Edited 6/7/18 4:16am]

Reply #38 posted 06/07/18 4:19am

love2thenines2003

feeluupp said:

From PRINCE FB PAGE:


 


 


 


 


 


 



This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of Prince - solo with just a piano and a microphone.


The private rehearsal recoding, captured at Prince’s home studio in Chanhassen, Minnesota, provides a rare, intimate glimpse into the iconic artist's creative process as he works through songs including “17 Days,” “Purple Rain,” “Strange Relationship” and “International Lover”.


The performance is a truly unique insight into Prince’s timeless genius. Announced today, June 7th, 2018, on what would have been Prince’s 60th birthday.



Pre-order your copy on CD/LP/Deluxe/Digital: https://lnk.to/PrincePAAM 
Listen to ‘Mary Don’t You Weep’ from the album right now: https://lnk.to/PrinceMDYW



 




Deluxe?
Reply #39 posted 06/07/18 4:21am

andrewm7

oddly enough this kind of gives me hope, even though this isn’t my favourite rehearsal.I would love to hear vault rehearsals. They could release one every day and I would listen and pay for the privilege. I really enjoyed the NPG music club in year one, it was one of my favourite Prince experiences! If the estate wants to do this kind of thing I’m willing wink
Reply #40 posted 06/07/18 4:23am

TheSilentMikey

love2thenines2003 said:

feeluupp said:

From PRINCE FB PAGE:


This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of Prince - solo with just a piano and a microphone.

The private rehearsal recoding, captured at Prince’s home studio in Chanhassen, Minnesota, provides a rare, intimate glimpse into the iconic artist's creative process as he works through songs including “17 Days,” “Purple Rain,” “Strange Relationship” and “International Lover”.

The performance is a truly unique insight into Prince’s timeless genius. Announced today, June 7th, 2018, on what would have been Prince’s 60th birthday.

Pre-order your copy on CD/LP/Deluxe/Digital: https://lnk.to/PrincePAAM
Listen to ‘Mary Don’t You Weep’ from the album right now: https://lnk.to/PrinceMDYW

Deluxe?

The LP + The CD

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Reply #41 posted 06/07/18 4:24am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #42 posted 06/07/18 4:25am

BartVanHemelen

billymeade said:

How does this site not have this as news?

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Indeed.

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Reply #43 posted 06/07/18 4:27am

NorthC

So the deluxe edition is the LP + the CD with some photos. Hmmmm...
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #44 posted 06/07/18 4:28am

feeluupp

NorthC said:

So the deluxe edition is the LP + the CD with some photos. Hmmmm...

A booklet of photos.


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Reply #45 posted 06/07/18 4:31am

Silvertongue7

What a fantastic and incredibly underwhelming at the same time this is..

Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #46 posted 06/07/18 4:32am

embmmusic

billymeade said:

How does this site not have this as news?

We never got a news post for Nothing Compares 2 U either, which was odd.

Reply #47 posted 06/07/18 4:34am

PennyPurple

Not impressed. I think people are starting to lose some interest.

Reply #48 posted 06/07/18 4:36am

feeluupp

PennyPurple said:

Not impressed. I think people are starting to lose some interest.

Really is underwhelming... I mean the estate are just outdated to be honest... They really have no idea what the fans want.

Reply #49 posted 06/07/18 4:36am

antonb

Excuse me for being abit dumb, but so this is the album the estate said they were releasing 28th September. I thought it was going to be a unreleased album, as in unreleased songs! Anyhow, i am still pleased they are releasing this kind of stuff. But my god, they could release this kind of stuff forever . I guess though thats the point!

Reply #50 posted 06/07/18 4:37am

paulludvig

This is an odd choice.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #51 posted 06/07/18 4:39am

BartVanHemelen

antonb said:

Excuse me for being abit dumb, but so this is the album the estate said they were releasing 28th September. I thought it was going to be a unreleased album, as in unreleased songs!

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People should really learn to parse record company speak. And yes, these recordings are unreleased.

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Reply #52 posted 06/07/18 4:41am

Phishanga

feeluupp said:

NorthC said:

So the deluxe edition is the LP + the CD with some photos. Hmmmm...

A booklet of photos.


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That looks NICE.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
Reply #53 posted 06/07/18 4:42am

Militant

moderator

Stickyd and featured.

I'm on a train with limited internet, heading to London for the Cafe de Paris tribute show with Ingrid Chavez, Stacia Lang, etc smile

Reply #54 posted 06/07/18 4:42am

madison

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Reply #55 posted 06/07/18 4:44am

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Reply #56 posted 06/07/18 4:46am

Rebeljuice

Underwhelming. Not exactly boding well for the future if these kinds of decisions are being made. It's probably a good little album to own, but it isn't something to kick start the new era of unheard releases.

It really is time to move on I guess....

Reply #57 posted 06/07/18 4:46am

tmcjb

Okay, the title alone HAS to confirm a "Piano & A Microphone 2016" is coming as well. As a standalone release this is slightly underwhelming, but it does give me hope for more of these rehearsals being released.

Also, "Why the Butterflies" is "Mama" in case anyone was wondering.
[Edited 6/7/18 4:52am]
"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
Reply #58 posted 06/07/18 4:48am

antonb

I still think its a good release. Especially if its in great sound, which I'm sure it will be. Well i will be buying it!

Reply #59 posted 06/07/18 4:50am

IstenSzek

a curious choice for release. but on the other hand, also nice to see they would release something
like this, which i thought would be stuff they'd leave to the very last.

what's even more curious is the choice for lead single. that's the song they're going with? neutral

seriously, i'm listening to it now and it's probably the least interesting song on there lol

so now we have to wait even longer to hear new actual songs from prince. should have known it
when they were talking about 'a piece'. record company speak indeed.

still, let's look at the positives, the soundquality seems really nice on the official single so there's
that. they seem to be taking care of the artwork and various format releases, which is good.

let's hope they'll release more though, because 35 minutes of piano rehearsal just isn't going to
cut it with real fans (and let's not pretend the general public will buy this by the 1000s).

i've still got my hopes set on december smile

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Reply #60 posted 06/07/18 4:52am

donnyenglish

Are these sessions previously circulating? I feel like I have these already, but maybe this is something new to all of us.
Reply #61 posted 06/07/18 4:53am

LeGrinde

So....that sucks.

Guess this isn't the big commercial release intended to wow the masses, ala Purple Rain II, that some on here kept insisting it would be. Instead it is an official release of an old bootleg featuring Prince noodling around on the piano for 45 minutes.

They really misled the fans on this one. Not only is this not in any way an "album" Prince intended or compiled, it's a freakin' rehearsal.

Knowing this, how much better would it have been if it HAD been the full Family album but with Prince singing?

Still, because rehearsals alwasy bored me to death, I never got this old bootleg (Intimate Moments, right?). So, as I preorder this Deluxe version, at least it wil be new to me. Prince is the drug, the Estate has the supply and we'll probably buy whatever they feel like offering

Reply #62 posted 06/07/18 4:53am

tmcjb

donnyenglish said:

Are these sessions previously circulating? I feel like I have these already, but maybe this is something new to all of us.


Yes, on Purple Rush and also as Intimate Moments.
[Edited 6/7/18 4:54am]
"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
Reply #63 posted 06/07/18 4:54am

Moonbeam

Good scoop, Miliant! biggrin

This is not what I was expecting, but I'm not complaining! It is a self-contained recording, which I like, and if it takes time for the estate to sort out the kinks until they can release proper studio projects in the same vein, I'll take rehearsals like this with open arms.

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Reply #64 posted 06/07/18 4:55am

Moonbeam

I'm enjoying "Mary Don't You Weep" despite the hiss and sound issues. I haven't heard this rehearsal before, so I'll be a happy boy come September 21st.

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Reply #65 posted 06/07/18 4:58am

TheFman

This is underwhelming and only proves my earlier point that there's nothing much new to grab anymore in the vault.
Perhaps we dont have these exact rehearsals yet, but those we already have are close enough imo.

Reply #66 posted 06/07/18 5:02am

feeluupp

This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of pure Prince, simply sitting at a piano and playing. More:

Reply #67 posted 06/07/18 5:02am

feeluupp

Funny how we know this has very minimum commercial appeal, yet WB are the ones distributing and will "promote" it... But to be honest I bet this release won't even sell more than 60,000 in the U.S.

Reply #68 posted 06/07/18 5:12am

dodger

purplerabbithole said:

Why don't they just release the Piano and Microphone tour. This is cool. But the downside is that it is just more eighties outtakes (many of them are of already released songs.)

My thoughts also.

Credit where it's due for the rarity aspect but personally there are 1000 other things I'd have liked to have seen before this.

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I'm more looking forward to the non-WB Tidal release next year..

Reply #69 posted 06/07/18 5:13am

mediumdry

Interesting. It's WB taking the wind out of the sails for tidal/estate, as this is proper Prince "Piano and a Microphone" as opposed to "synthesizer and a microphone" from his last tour.

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I've never heard the bootleg version of this, I was never really interested in rehearsals and live stuff. I'll be listening to this with an open mind. The first single is certainly cool.

Reply #70 posted 06/07/18 5:13am

fabriziovenerandi

Happy +1

Reply #71 posted 06/07/18 5:13am

highcalonic

With the addition of the 1982 piano rehearsal (Purple Music and two beautiful instrumentals) that leaks a few weeks ago with a stunning quality, it will be a great set for sure !

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But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
Reply #72 posted 06/07/18 5:15am

dustoff

To whoever from WB or the estate is monitoring this board for fans' reaction:

Thanks! This fan is happy. It might not be the most spectacular artifact from the Vault, but I think this is a good sign that the estate is willing to consider underheralded and unexpected material for release. Of course I'd like to see Parade Deluxe, but I'll also be qute happy to see a series of releases like this one: interesting material presented in a way we haven't already heard. This is something I imagine I'll listen to frequently, if not often. It might be similar (or identical) to what's made the unofficial rounds, but I'm glad that isn't a factor in the decision to release the music: It seems too limiting to refrain from putting out what a few fans consider to be "already out there."

That said, it would go a long way to assuage a lot of fans' anger if such "small batch" releases were to be put out frequently... If this is the only thing we get for another year, it'll be a bit frustrating...

Reply #73 posted 06/07/18 5:16am

Silvertongue7

The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am. It is a cool curiosity, that's all. Anyway, it's coming out 15 months after Purple Rain Deluxe. SO who know, maybe in December 2019 we will get another disappointing release.

Anyway, there's always bootleggers that we can rely on.

Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #74 posted 06/07/18 5:30am

embmmusic

A little concerned about this line from one of the articles: "Seven of the nine track on the album will be presented in the same spontaneous live format as they were originally recorded." So what's going on with the remaining two tracks?

Reply #75 posted 06/07/18 5:31am

OnlyNDaUsa

I got "Intimate Moments" nearly 30 years ago and I gave it a listen a few times and I have over the years heard bits of it here and there... and I will get this...well I will buy it. But I am not excited. But at least it is something I can experience and have it be mostly new,


Like others have said: if the vault has 1000+ songs why release something like this?

I am hopeful that this is just part of what will come out... but damn it fits what Troy Carter said.

But I will say that the packaging looks interesting...


[Edited 6/7/18 5:35am]

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Reply #76 posted 06/07/18 5:32am

djdaffy1227

I'm looking forward to this!

Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
Reply #77 posted 06/07/18 5:39am

partyup77

The order page indicated that the version of Wednesday included on this release is previously unbootlegged. That could be interesting (or not)???

Reply #78 posted 06/07/18 5:44am

NewpowerScarfo

.....Really? I'm uber underwhelmed.

Reply #79 posted 06/07/18 5:45am

kevinpnb

I really look forward to getting this in a sound quality that’s straight from the source, and hearing what maybe, possibly, hopefully hasn’t been on the bootleg market... but, that said, why oh why is this not an add-on to a release of 2016 Piano & A Microphone material? THAT would be a great and marketable set imho..
Reply #80 posted 06/07/18 5:52am

dustoff

kevinpnb said:

I really look forward to getting this in a sound quality that’s straight from the source, and hearing what maybe, possibly, hopefully hasn’t been on the bootleg market... but, that said, why oh why is this not an add-on to a release of 2016 Piano & A Microphone material? THAT would be a great and marketable set imho..


Good idea.

Reply #81 posted 06/07/18 5:52am

MIRvmn

Silvertongue7 said:

The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am. It is a cool curiosity, that's all. Anyway, it's coming out 15 months after Purple Rain Deluxe. SO who know, maybe in December 2019 we will get another disappointing release. 


Anyway, there's always bootleggers that we can rely on. 


At first I was a bit disappointed but I'm actually looking forward to this release, however the estate and WB should speed up the releases a bit. Give at least 3 albums a year with unreleased songs, rehearsals and live shows.
[Edited 6/7/18 5:53am]
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Reply #82 posted 06/07/18 5:55am

djThunderfunk

databank said:

I expect more "fanmade" crap like NC2U and RG/OD, so anything that hasn't been tinkered with would be welcome


Looking on PrinceVault, I don't see any info on the "tinkering" of the NC2U release, and if it was mentioned here on the org, I missed it. Was it "finished" recently? And if so, in what way and by whom?


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #83 posted 06/07/18 5:55am

jcurley

NorthC said:

Piano & Microphone would also be a fan's only release, but since it was Prince's last tour, it would make more sense than a 35 year old rehearsal.


Yeh but at least he had a back catalogue by 2016
Reply #84 posted 06/07/18 5:56am

Farfunknugin

I was hoping for the rumoured Chicago House album from the late eiighties - Two Turntables & A Microphone, ah well...

Reply #85 posted 06/07/18 5:56am

djThunderfunk

OperatingThetan said:

There was also a rumour that the Estate was considering releasing 'Prince and the Band'. As it's a post-Warners song I assume that would be for the Tidal album release I'm still curious about the rumoured 2008 funk album that included 'Prince and the Band' and 'Turn me Loose'. That would be a great choice for an album release.


Agreed!! I need Turn Me Loose, complete without a DJ talking over it.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #86 posted 06/07/18 5:58am

djThunderfunk

jaawwnn said:

Wait, so is this the Tidal release or is it going to be elsewhere as well?


This!

I thought the Piano Rehearsal was going to be the WB release, this year, and Tidal was releasing something newer, next year.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #87 posted 06/07/18 6:00am

IstenSzek

djThunderfunk said:

jaawwnn said:

Wait, so is this the Tidal release or is it going to be elsewhere as well?


This!

I thought the Piano Rehearsal was going to be the WB release, this year, and Tidal was releasing something newer, next year.



it is. it's just confusing because there's no mention of WB in any of the official info.

or am i going blind and have i missed it in all the news items?


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #88 posted 06/07/18 6:01am

NewpowerScarfo

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a buzzkill or Debbie Downer, but we've heard sooooo much about Prince's legendary vaults of unreleased music. When will we start hearing this music? Is this really something fans are suppose to be hyped about? Same ol songs we've heard before in piano rehearsal form?

Reply #89 posted 06/07/18 6:01am

feeluupp

IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


This!

I thought the Piano Rehearsal was going to be the WB release, this year, and Tidal was releasing something newer, next year.



it is. it's just confusing because there's no mention of WB in any of the official info.

or am i going blind and have i missed it in all the news items?


I posted it already...

This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of pure Prince, simply sitting at a piano and playing. More:

Reply #90 posted 06/07/18 6:01am

Silvertongue7

MIRvmn said:

Silvertongue7 said:

The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am. It is a cool curiosity, that's all. Anyway, it's coming out 15 months after Purple Rain Deluxe. SO who know, maybe in December 2019 we will get another disappointing release.

Anyway, there's always bootleggers that we can rely on.

At first I was a bit disappointed but I'm actually looking forward to this release, however the estate and WB should speed up the releases a bit. Give at least 3 albums a year with unreleased songs, rehearsals and live shows. [Edited 6/7/18 5:53am]

And if they did that, and they started with the unreleased songs that would be ok. But this as the first proper release? I am a prince junkie, I'll consume everything Prince related. And I'm moderately interested in this (a couple of listens before I put it away). So what is the appeal for casual fans or the public at large? None, I would say.

I might be wrong. I'm often wrong. But as of now I am so underwhelmed...

Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #91 posted 06/07/18 6:03am

BartVanHemelen

IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


This!

I thought the Piano Rehearsal was going to be the WB release, this year, and Tidal was releasing something newer, next year.



it is. it's just confusing because there's no mention of WB in any of the official info.

or am i going blind and have i missed it in all the news items?


.

I posted a link to Warner Bros. Germany's official announcement. And several other media links.

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #92 posted 06/07/18 6:06am

BartVanHemelen

IstenSzek said:


what's even more curious is the choice for lead single. that's the song they're going with? neutral

.

Because this:

.

The live version of “Mary Don’t You Weep" streaming below will feature in Spike Lee’s BlacKkKlansman.

.

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #93 posted 06/07/18 6:09am

BartVanHemelen

Anybody found Warner's press release in English yet? Their German site has it in German and contains a quote from Troy Carter. Google translate:

.

This raw and intimate recording, which was written on the eve of his world career just before he became an international star, resembles the format of the 'Piano & A Microphone Tour', which ended his career in 2016," explains the Entertainment Advisor to the Prince Estates, Troy Carter . "The Estate is very happy to give the fans a taste of Prince's evolution as a world star and to show how the circle of his career ultimately closed with the tour on the piano."

.

Aha: http://www.superdeluxeedi...hone-1983/

.

“This raw, intimate recording, which took place at the start of Prince’s career right before he achieved international stardom, is similar in format to the Piano & A Microphone Tour that he ended his career with in 2016,” said Prince Estate entertainment adviser Troy Carter. “The Estate is excited to be able to give fans a glimpse of his evolution and show how his career ultimately came full circle with just him and his piano.”

.

Also: https://variety.com/2018/...202835703/

.

The Deluxe CD+LP format will include a 12” booklet featuring brand new liner notes written by Prince’s then engineer Don Batts, as well as candid shots of Prince including never before seen images.

.

Hmmm, let's hope the other releases have those liner notes as well.

.

[Edited 6/7/18 6:14am]

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Reply #94 posted 06/07/18 6:09am

IstenSzek

BartVanHemelen said:

IstenSzek said:


what's even more curious is the choice for lead single. that's the song they're going with? neutral

.

Because this:

.

The live version of “Mary Don’t You Weep" streaming below will feature in Spike Lee’s BlacKkKlansman.

.


eek

thanks for explaining, sometimes i'm an idiot smile


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #95 posted 06/07/18 6:10am

billymeade

So... This means the Tidal 2019 release is Piano & Microphone 2016, right?
Reply #96 posted 06/07/18 6:14am

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

Anybody found Warner's press release in English yet? Their German site has it in German and contains a quote from Troy Carter. Google translate:

.

This raw and intimate recording, which was written on the eve of his world career just before he became an international star, resembles the format of the 'Piano & A Microphone Tour', which ended his career in 2016," explains the Entertainment Advisor to the Prince Estates, Troy Carter . "The Estate is very happy to give the fans a taste of Prince's evolution as a world star and to show how the circle of his career ultimately closed with the tour on the piano."

.


Yes they posted it on their twitter:

This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of pure Prince, simply sitting at a piano and playing. More:

Reply #97 posted 06/07/18 6:14am

udo

feeluupp said:

From PRINCE FB PAGE:


This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of Prince - solo with just a piano and a microphone.

.

Whahahaaa!

They do not mention the exact address it was recorded.

They do not mention uncirculating.

They do not mention mastering chain nor mastering engineer.

Stuff like this has been out for decades.

.

If they did a release like this every month (with at leasrt 45+ minutes of music instead of 35!) i'd complain less. But with the track record so far I'd not hold my breath for a followup release.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #98 posted 06/07/18 6:15am

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

Anybody found Warner's press release in English yet? Their German site has it in German and contains a quote from Troy Carter. Google translate:

.

This raw and intimate recording, which was written on the eve of his world career just before he became an international star, resembles the format of the 'Piano & A Microphone Tour', which ended his career in 2016," explains the Entertainment Advisor to the Prince Estates, Troy Carter . "The Estate is very happy to give the fans a taste of Prince's evolution as a world star and to show how the circle of his career ultimately closed with the tour on the piano."

.

Aha: http://www.superdeluxeedi...hone-1983/

.

.

Also: https://variety.com/2018/...202835703/

.

The Deluxe CD+LP format will include a 12” booklet featuring brand new liner notes written by Prince’s then engineer Don Batts, as well as candid shots of Prince including never before seen images.

.

Hmmm, let's hope the other releases have those liner notes as well.

.

[Edited 6/7/18 6:14am]

This September 21st, the timeless Prince back catalogue welcomes a new, special addition - ‘Piano & A Microphone 1983’: 9 tracks and 35 minutes of pure Prince, simply sitting at a piano and playing.

The private rehearsal recording, captured at Prince’s home studio in Chanhassen, Minnesota, provides a rare, intimate glimpse into the iconic artist's creative process as he works through songs including “17 Days,” “Purple Rain,” “Strange Relationship,” and “International Lover”.

The performance is a truly unique insight into Prince’s timeless genius. Announced today, June 7th, 2018, on what would have been Prince’s 60th birthday.

Pre-order your copy on CD/LP/Deluxe/Digital:https://lnk.to/PrincePAAM
Listen to ‘Mary Don’t You Weep’ from the album right now: https://lnk.to/PrinceMDYW
Reply #99 posted 06/07/18 6:17am

andrewm7

they certainly can’t be accused of releasing “expected” material. Compared to this the one camera angle video of the Chicago City Winery show is pretty high concept razz
Reply #100 posted 06/07/18 6:21am

BoraBora



As ever, I will buy it because it's P, even if I have "Eavensdropped In Intimate Moments" from nearly 30 years ago.

Anyway, given "the myth" of the Vault (and also the number of unreleased songs and albums we already have as bootleg) I was expecting something more exciting to be released than a home piano rehearsal.

I also doubt it will rise great interest outside of our P fams.

It is not something the common audience can really appreciate and be attracted to, in my opinion.


Reply #101 posted 06/07/18 6:21am

djThunderfunk

I never would have guessed when I bought this one back in 1988 that I'd be buying an official release 30 years later...







https://www.discogs.com/P...se/6340263



We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #102 posted 06/07/18 6:22am

udo

So in short:

- your interest in this type of music is logged via fakebook and thus now in chinese and other hands, plus zuck shamelessly makes money of of thiswhilel ying about it; this is how stupid the Estate is

- €42.99 for 35 minutes on CD and LP plus a booklet is not cheap

- 35 minutes is too short; eye will (re)release simiar stuff on 80+ minute CDs

- why not give the CD a booklet like the deluxe thing when the pricing is as it is?

- at these prices certainly the market can't bear more than 1 release per year.... (actual manufacturing cost is below €10 in my estimates); so they want a quick buck and do not plan for a future or steady income stream

-... more to follow?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #103 posted 06/07/18 6:23am

djThunderfunk

dodger said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why don't they just release the Piano and Microphone tour. This is cool. But the downside is that it is just more eighties outtakes (many of them are of already released songs.)

My thoughts also.

Credit where it's due for the rarity aspect but personally there are 1000 other things I'd have liked to have seen before this.

.

I'm more looking forward to the non-WB Tidal release next year..


yeahthat

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #104 posted 06/07/18 6:24am

BoraBora



On a side note, I was hoping the studio version of "Nothing Compares 2 U" was to be included on the WB september release.

Unfortunately this is not.



Reply #105 posted 06/07/18 6:28am

mbdtyler

Welp, now we get to wait even longer until more studio material comes out. I can't lie, I'm very underwhelmed and disappointed by this announcement, but oh well. Hopefully everyone else will enjoy it.

Reply #106 posted 06/07/18 6:29am

2020

As cool as this release is it’s still of a bit of a head scratcher...tons of unreleased songs in the vault and they choose this?
The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
Reply #107 posted 06/07/18 6:34am

DarkKnight1

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

(Insert something clever here)
Reply #108 posted 06/07/18 6:34am

BoraBora



I think this release have to put on a definitive rest the debate on the fact that bootleggers did crimes releasing all these years songs and tracks P never intend to do.

I can see nowhere how P could think of release this piano rehearsal.



Reply #109 posted 06/07/18 6:40am

MMJas

Grateful for this, but wish they had released P&Microphone 2016. That would probably get more sales other than Prince die hard fans and get his music out there to younger generations, even if on the coattails of all the hype behind his death.

Reply #110 posted 06/07/18 6:42am

feeluupp

So funny how this is almost identical to the boot... What does the estate just "remaster" bootlegs arleady released, add a booklet and make us pay... lol

Reply #111 posted 06/07/18 6:53am

luv4u

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Reply #112 posted 06/07/18 6:57am

PurpleYoda3121

i wish the booklet was available with just the CD, and I'm scratching my head as to why they picked this of all things.

But! I've probably listened to Mary Don't You Weep 10 times already and love it, and I'm absolutely excited to get anything!

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Reply #113 posted 06/07/18 7:11am

Kares

djThunderfunk said:

I never would have guessed when I bought this one back in 1988 that I'd be buying an official release 30 years later...


https://www.discogs.com/P...se/6340263



.

I never would have guessed that I'd be buying an official release of this 30 years later – with exactly the same bad sound quality.

.

Bonkers.

.

They are sitting on real treasures. Pristine quality masters of amazing music no-one has ever heard and of course hundreds of songs we grew to love as lo-fi bootlegs. Yet, 2.5 years after his death, they chose to re-release a 35 minute bootleg that not even us diehard fans were ever too excited about. This is what Warners have chosen to kickoff a hopefully long series of vault releases by Prince.
.
I'm honestly struggling to find the words... 'Ridiculous' and 'disaster' are understatements.

.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #114 posted 06/07/18 7:14am

mano

PurpleSkipper58 said:

dodger said:
We have to wait until September 14th?? Ugh that’s too long. Oh well. At least we all have reasons to make it till September Yes on iTunes listed as 14th Sept release with Mary Don’t You Weep available now

I'LL TAKE IT!! And I'm glad to have it. I'm not complaining. The more of his older and rare material we can get the better. I miss Prince and I miss being excited about getting new Prince albums. I'm glad to see his estate, Warner and even Tidal have found a way to work together. Does anyone know who has the tapes from the vault now? Last I heard they were taken from Paisley Park.

"I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough." prince
Reply #115 posted 06/07/18 7:17am

diapsid

Does anyone think that this was originally a 5th disc from the PR Deluxe set that they shelved?
Reply #116 posted 06/07/18 7:19am

djThunderfunk

Kares said:

djThunderfunk said:

I never would have guessed when I bought this one back in 1988 that I'd be buying an official release 30 years later...


https://www.discogs.com/P...se/6340263



.

I never would have guessed that I'd be buying an official release of this 30 years later – with exactly the same bad sound quality.

.

Bonkers.

.

They are sitting on real treasures. Pristine quality masters of amazing music no-one has ever heard and of course hundreds of songs we grew to love as lo-fi bootlegs. Yet, 2.5 years after his death, they chose to re-release a 35 minute bootleg that not even us diehard fans were ever too excited about. This is what Warners have chosen to kickoff a hopefully long series of vault releases by Prince.
.
I'm honestly struggling to find the words... 'Ridiculous' and 'disaster' are understatements.

.


The vinyl I linked to was NOT good quality... no where near as good as this single that just came out.
Granted, this set has been rehashed on many boots, some with much better quality, maybe even as good as this official release. But not the one I linked to. It sounds bad.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #117 posted 06/07/18 7:22am

BlueShakooo

Right now I wouldn't be too surprised, if the 2019 release turned out to be The Undertaker from '93.

Or the early Emanicipation-configuration that we all know as Sabotage's "Emancipation, The Secret Chapter".

With a biiiig booklet of course (including previously unseen pictures!!!).

Anyway... I'll buy it.

But, hey Estate-People if you need a consultant for future releases:

I'm willing 2 do the work.

wink

I love the taste of unpredictable leaks.
Reply #118 posted 06/07/18 7:30am

EddieC

IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


This!

I thought the Piano Rehearsal was going to be the WB release, this year, and Tidal was releasing something newer, next year.



it is. it's just confusing because there's no mention of WB in any of the official info.

or am i going blind and have i missed it in all the news items?


Amazon says "under exclusive license to Warner Bros." Tidal has it, but so do all the other services. This is the Warner album--the Tidal one is something else.

Reply #119 posted 06/07/18 7:37am

thx185

I'm good with this and look forward to having it! I think the choice makes perfect sense as a ramp-up for an upcoming Piano & A Microphone 2016 release. This is the kind of stuff I want to see released from the vault - cohesive collections that show Prince's genius. While I'd generally prefer full band recordings to solo piano, I prefer this cohesive release to a random selection of unreleased songs.

"..free to change your mind"
Reply #120 posted 06/07/18 7:42am

EddieC

djThunderfunk said:

I never would have guessed when I bought this one back in 1988 that I'd be buying an official release 30 years later...







https://www.discogs.com/P...se/6340263



First boot I owned. That info sheet seemed almost magical to me at the time--it felt like some sort of initiation into a secret society somehow. Even if the record itself was in terrible shape--I don't know if all copies were terrible, but mine skipped from the first play..

Reply #121 posted 06/07/18 7:48am

Romeoblu

Massively disappointed by this. This is the kind of thing I would expect them to release years down the line when they are starting to run out and scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Whoever made the decision to release what are simply Prince sitting at the piano working stuff out as a stand alone release is a complete idiot. Maybe, just maybe include these as a part of a box set but not as the first proper posthumous album. I will not be buying this.
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Reply #122 posted 06/07/18 7:50am

TrevorAyer

Eye luv all the Niel Young archival releases ... Roxy, Cellar Door and Hitch hiker are fantastic ... eye am so happy this is not 2016 P+M ... fake keyboard .. medleys and snippits ... eye am sure wb went with this performance for a reason .. likely full songs ... eye am excited to hear from the sample that it is a real piano ... u can hear the foot pedals going ... pretty cool setlist .. if they dropped an archival like this 2 times per year plus a deluxe of a major album once per year, that would be the best way 2 go
Reply #123 posted 06/07/18 7:50am

Genesia

What I want to know is: Will the deluxe version also include a digital download? Or will I have to hook up my stereo and rip the vinyl or CD because I no longer have a computer with a CD/DVD drive? No one seems willing (or able) to answer this.

In any case, it'll be wonderful to have a clean version!

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #124 posted 06/07/18 7:53am

highcalonic

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

yeahthat

"You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
Reply #125 posted 06/07/18 7:54am

Phishanga

I'm totally fine with this. I'm guessing the real outtake releases take more time: What should be the concept behind it? As part of album re-releases or on their own? Do they have the master tapes available? Are they cleaned up already? Who own the rights, who will release what? Are all legal questions taken care of? And honestly I don't know how anyone expected anything else. It's this for the moment or nothing.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
Reply #126 posted 06/07/18 7:55am

feeluupp

highcalonic said:

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

yeahthat

But they are basically re releasing a bootleg that excisted already in the 80's, with the same exact tracklist... lol

Let the milking begin WB...

Reply #127 posted 06/07/18 8:04am

djThunderfunk

Genesia said:

What I want to know is: Will the deluxe version also include a digital download? Or will I have to hook up my stereo and rip the vinyl or CD because I no longer have a computer with a CD/DVD drive? No one seems willing (or able) to answer this.

In any case, it'll be wonderful to have a clean version!


My guess is no. The deluxe edition does come with a digital download of the single though, so maybe I'm wrong.

In any case, as with everything, it won't be difficult to "find" and download a digital copy, and if you're buying a physical copy, I would recommend doing just that and not feeling a bit of guilt about it. Just sayin'...


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #128 posted 06/07/18 8:06am

djThunderfunk

highcalonic said:

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

yeahthat


BS! There is PLENTY that would please us. Granted, there will always be complainers, but that has been the case forever, even when Prince was alive.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #129 posted 06/07/18 8:06am

pdiddy2011

highcalonic said:

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

yeahthat



Cosign.

Some of you have 10 times more Prince music than the estate / WB. You'll be lucky to get something in 1 out of 10 releases that you don't already have on a bootleg. Do some of y'all expect the estate / WB to personally ask you which release is "overwhelming" specifically to you?

It sounds like 2 or 3 Prince albums are coming relatively soon. I'm pretty sure the glass is more than half full.

Reply #130 posted 06/07/18 8:07am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

feeluupp said:

highcalonic said:

yeahthat

But they are basically re releasing a bootleg that excisted already in the 80's, with the same exact tracklist... lol

Let the milking begin WB...


So this is not new ........ well considering what all is in that vault from pics seen ...........

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Reply #131 posted 06/07/18 8:13am

Romeoblu

pdiddy2011 said:

 



highcalonic said:


 



DarkKnight1 said:


There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers.  Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch.  This is a fantastic release.  For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen.  Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.



yeahthat





Cosign.

Some of you have 10 times more Prince music than the estate / WB.  You'll be lucky to get something in 1 out of 10 releases that you don't already have on a bootleg.  Do some of y'all expect the estate / WB to personally ask you which release is "overwhelming" specifically to you?

It sounds like 2 or 3 Prince albums are coming relatively soon.  I'm pretty sure the glass is more than half full. 

  



For me the disappointment is not due to the fact I have it already, it is that they have decided to release something that is just so rough and beyond of few listens not really that entertaining.
Reply #132 posted 06/07/18 8:15am

feeluupp

Romeoblu said:

pdiddy2011 said:



Cosign.

Some of you have 10 times more Prince music than the estate / WB. You'll be lucky to get something in 1 out of 10 releases that you don't already have on a bootleg. Do some of y'all expect the estate / WB to personally ask you which release is "overwhelming" specifically to you?

It sounds like 2 or 3 Prince albums are coming relatively soon. I'm pretty sure the glass is more than half full.

For me the disappointment is not due to the fact I have it already, it is that they have decided to release something that is just so rough and beyond of few listens not really that entertaining.

For me... It's that the are re releasing a BOOTLEG with the same exact tracklist... It's nothing "new" released, it's an existening bootleg already released...

Reply #133 posted 06/07/18 8:21am

dualboot

Genesia said:

What I want to know is: Will the deluxe version also include a digital download?

Probably they only will supply the zero's as download.

Reply #134 posted 06/07/18 8:21am

paisleypark4

Thank you Casey!

-Zaya

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #135 posted 06/07/18 8:25am

feeluupp

HAHAHAHAH they are re releasing a bootleg with the same tracklist hahahahahaa oh man WB played us outdated Prince fans good this time lol lol

Reply #136 posted 06/07/18 8:25am

donnyenglish

I think we should all be happy that this is a release for diehard fans and that it is a preview of other piano & microphone releases. If it does well, then there will be more releases so we need to support it and spread the word. If it flops, then we will only get greatest hits configurations from here on at.

Reply #137 posted 06/07/18 8:28am

SquirrelMeat

I welcome a bold choice like this.

I welcome any vault release, even if I already have this.

But two things bug me.

1. Rather than mess with the recording to add alternative takes to offer something new, simply add them at the end. Don't tinker.

2. It's a wasted opportunity not to fill the disc space with other piano solos from the same 12 period (eg, Purple Music and Appollonias gift) especially if they don't really fit with any other project more than this one.
.
Reply #138 posted 06/07/18 8:32am

mbdtyler

Romeoblu said:

pdiddy2011 said:

 



highcalonic said:


 



DarkKnight1 said:


There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers.  Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch.  This is a fantastic release.  For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen.  Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.



yeahthat





Cosign.

Some of you have 10 times more Prince music than the estate / WB.  You'll be lucky to get something in 1 out of 10 releases that you don't already have on a bootleg.  Do some of y'all expect the estate / WB to personally ask you which release is "overwhelming" specifically to you?

It sounds like 2 or 3 Prince albums are coming relatively soon.  I'm pretty sure the glass is more than half full. 

  



For me the disappointment is not due to the fact I have it already, it is that they have decided to release something that is just so rough and beyond of few listens not really that entertaining.


This. There's a lot of stuff I've already heard, but would gladly buy as an official release in much higher quality. There's generally a lot more to dissect in Prince's studio work than in a piano-only rehearsal anyway. I've always been more interested in creatively layered tracks than stripped down demos
Reply #139 posted 06/07/18 8:41am

SchlomoThaHomo

"Is that it? Wake me when you're done. I guess you'll be the only one having fun."

I can't wait until we get the offical Crucial bootleg next year. And 4 Those Of U On Valium in 2020.

Is this really the unreleased 1984 material referenced in the Variety article? This should have been included with the Purple Rain remaster as 1 of 10 discs. This is not worthy of being promoted as a stand alone release. Strike 2.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #140 posted 06/07/18 8:50am

poppys

Phishanga said:

MARY DON'T YOU WEEP on Tidal

Can't listen but Tidal seems to have released this: http://tidal.com/album/89728840


My favorite !!!


https://www.bing.com/sear...ec4eb7ac5a



[Edited 6/7/18 8:51am]

Reply #141 posted 06/07/18 8:51am

BartVanHemelen

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #142 posted 06/07/18 8:52am

Silvertongue7

Is the sound quite rubbish too? I’m listening to it with my good headphones and there’s a lot of hissing.
So after 15 months we get 35 minutes of music we already had, is not very interesting and doesn’t sound great. But at least if you get the deluxe edition and pay £40 for it you get loner notes and a few photos.
Way to go, Prince estate...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #143 posted 06/07/18 8:55am

RenaRF

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

Word.

I for one LOVE hearing this release. To me, it shows what an outstanding songwriter and musician he was because of the **SPACE**. That's why I also have always maintained that Sign 'O The Times (the whole thing) was groundbreaking as well. It is awesome to be able to hear all of it - all of the nuance - in this release. I'm a big thumb's up over here!!!

"Everything that's in your heart, come what may
Even though his might get broken" RIP Prince
Reply #144 posted 06/07/18 9:01am

udo

djThunderfunk said:

BS! There is PLENTY that would please us. Granted, there will always be complainers, but that has been the case forever, even when Prince was alive.

.

BS!

They did not even have an overview of what they have when they decided for this.

There would have been enopugh material for a 45+ minute release of noting heard before outside of PP.

They push the relase far (!) into the future and still come up with this cheap ass nonsensical release.

What does that say about the people organising this, their strategy, their idea of reality, etc?

Did they ever consult with a person that is a fan for say 20+ years?

Do they think that the general public will buy these piano things?

Do we think that they are in such a mess that they cannot even release the 'recent' Piano and a Micrphone tour? (the whole thing and nothing but the whiole thing; P is dead and we're post WB-sloness now)

This is a cheap ass surrogate despite the price.

Have them suits call me of they dare explain.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #145 posted 06/07/18 9:04am

PURPLEIZED3121

Christ, bought this on cassette in the early 90's...BUT i dont recognise the last Butterflies track!

Reply #146 posted 06/07/18 9:06am

PURPLEIZED3121

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Why_The_Butterflies

Reply #147 posted 06/07/18 9:07am

PURPLEIZED3121

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Why_The_Butterflies

ahhhh, It's 'Mama'

Reply #148 posted 06/07/18 9:11am

Mintchip

Interesting...choice...??? Who would want this to come out 1st after PR deluxe? What fan, money counter, or estate rep would think this was a good idea? Next up...this?? Even if you're motivated solely by greed - which I think has it's place, and be used to good ends - this choice seems like a damp fart. Maybe Troy Carter, who told Variety he was excited to talk about the "mind blowing" music he'd found in the vault, can shed some light? These tracks definitely have their place - I'd just assume as bonus content for a more substantial work.

confused

https://variety.com/2018/music/news/new-prince-unreleased-music-coming-soon-estate-advisor-says-troy-carter-1202677933/

Reply #149 posted 06/07/18 9:13am

jasminejoey

I would think this has to be the greatest fuck-up in the history of Prince releases. Astounded that WB and the estate would have the balls to do this on his birthday!

Reply #150 posted 06/07/18 9:15am

Silvertongue7

diapsid said:

Does anyone think that this was originally a 5th disc from the PR Deluxe set that they shelved?

It might have been, and it would have made a lot more sense than releasing it now as a stand-alone album...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #151 posted 06/07/18 9:16am

feeluupp

jasminejoey said:

I would think this has to be the greatest fuck-up in the history of Prince releases. Astounded that WB and the estate would have the balls to do this on his birthday!

They just re releasing an existing boot that was just a rehearsal... Hahahha they really think us fans are stupid.

Reply #152 posted 06/07/18 9:16am

Strive

Wait. That's the Warner September release? I'm all for new Prince and I'll still buy it but what a misfire. It should've been unreleased studio material to build his legacy. Not something super niche like this.
[Edited 6/7/18 9:20am]
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #153 posted 06/07/18 9:18am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #154 posted 06/07/18 9:18am

aalloca

Hi all,

I am ok with any release from the estate.

I am comparing the intimate moments and the wb version, and there is some improvment.

I bought it sight unseen, as I have been saying/encouraging the same thing for what 12 plus years. You have to support official releases if you take part in the trading side of things.

It feels like this selection was made by a person who really is not connected or aware with what is circulating and in what quality, as I feel this curator probably is new to all the highlights of the outtakes etc.

I mean hearing Prince at the piano is mind blowing and an eyeopener don't get me wrong. Maybe the estate is hoping this will strip down distractions and show his genius down to a spare piano and vocal to the more surface fans vs deep collectors.

If you are longtime collector who has been lucky enough to hear most of this material we may be underwhelmed, as it wasn't a collection that had been uncirculating or unknown.

Patience is key, we are getting some good stuff, and on the other side collectors are releasing really improved rare stuff.

So it's still a good time to be a music lover.

Happy Birthday to a true monster musician who did things his way.

Music is the best...
Reply #155 posted 06/07/18 9:24am

udo

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Why_The_Butterflies

ahhhh, It's 'Mama'

.

It is?

That says it all. We have most or all of that release. For years.

And if not it means they cobbled it together like they added the unreelased stuff to the Hits.

So nothing new here in at least two ways.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #156 posted 06/07/18 9:25am

udo

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

.

Sure, but did I understate my excitement well enough?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #157 posted 06/07/18 9:28am

jasminejoey

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Certainly not. The project feels like an insult to the fans.

Reply #158 posted 06/07/18 9:34am

Genesia

djThunderfunk said:

Genesia said:

What I want to know is: Will the deluxe version also include a digital download? Or will I have to hook up my stereo and rip the vinyl or CD because I no longer have a computer with a CD/DVD drive? No one seems willing (or able) to answer this.

In any case, it'll be wonderful to have a clean version!


My guess is no. The deluxe edition does come with a digital download of the single though, so maybe I'm wrong.

In any case, as with everything, it won't be difficult to "find" and download a digital copy, and if you're buying a physical copy, I would recommend doing just that and not feeling a bit of guilt about it. Just sayin'...



Oh, I know I can get an illicit rip - but it's just so stupid of them not to include one with the purchase. I haven't bought an album in years that didn't include a code for a one-time download of the digital edition - it's standard practice. Why can't WB get on board? rolleyes

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #159 posted 06/07/18 9:34am

Strive

The Deluxe version will include a 12" booklet with new liner notes from Prince's engineer, Don Batts, as well as never-before-seen candid photos of the singer.


confused
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #160 posted 06/07/18 9:35am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Strive said:

Wait. That's the Warner September release? I'm all for new Prince and I'll still buy it but what a misfire. It should've been unreleased studio material to build his legacy. Not something super niche like this. [Edited 6/7/18 9:20am]


Yep.

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #161 posted 06/07/18 9:38am

leecaldon

jasminejoey said:

 



luv4u said:


Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?



 


Certainly not. The project feels like an insult to the fans. 



Really not sure how this can be an insult to the fans. Anyone who has the bootleg of this has a moral obligation to purchase this. It’s the only way you can justify acquiring bootlegged material.
Reply #162 posted 06/07/18 9:45am

databank

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

I expect more "fanmade" crap like NC2U and RG/OD, so anything that hasn't been tinkered with would be welcome


Looking on PrinceVault, I don't see any info on the "tinkering" of the NC2U release, and if it was mentioned here on the org, I missed it. Was it "finished" recently? And if so, in what way and by whom?


I can't really go into details because it's not my place to, and I apologize for this, but let's just say I have good reason to believe it's been tinkered with. Hopefully, detailed info on how those posthumous releases were produced will be made public on the long run.

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Reply #163 posted 06/07/18 9:45am

jasminejoey

leecaldon said:

jasminejoey said:

Certainly not. The project feels like an insult to the fans.

Really not sure how this can be an insult to the fans. Anyone who has the bootleg of this has a moral obligation to purchase this. It’s the only way you can justify acquiring bootlegged material.

I like your reasoning in a tongue-in-cheek way...The reason it's an insult is because they're sitting on a cornucopia of music and yet they believe that only Prince circa '83 or '84 is worth hearing, even if it's just him noodling.

Reply #164 posted 06/07/18 9:46am

poppys

BartVanHemelen said:


Who even knew Martha cooked the greatest omelettes in the world?

See the source image

Reply #165 posted 06/07/18 9:51am

databank

feeluupp said:

NorthC said:

So the deluxe edition is the LP + the CD with some photos. Hmmmm...

A booklet of photos.


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Well, to celebrate the fact that this precious recording is going to be released, I'm listening to it... now! lol lol lol

No, seriously, the circulating recording has decent but far from pristine sound quality so an upgrade would be welcome, and I would assume there is no multitrack for that, so hopefully it will be unaltered.

Nothing mindblowing but pretty good news all things considered. It's a nice recording to add to the canon, and a really cool precursor to ONA nod

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Reply #166 posted 06/07/18 10:06am

feeluupp

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Have you even bought PR DELUXE yet? lol lol

Reply #167 posted 06/07/18 10:06am

shockadelica777

I don't understand the collective saltiness here.

Put yourselves in the shoes of Troy Carter, WB, and anyone else associated with these projects. They came across this rehearsal. Let's assume the quality is pretty good. Look at the tracklist. There's a much better than average chance that Mr. Carter, Estate reps and WB reps had NEVER heard the shitty quality boot that's been circulating for years.

How should they react? Should they immediately consult PrinceVault to see if/when/how its been bootlegged? Or should they get excited about finding a potentially complete rehearsal of important songs - transcendent songs that weren't even released yet?

Has this release been ciruculating amongst the hardcore fans for years now? Yes.

(FWIW I think I have that boot on cassette, vinyl, CD and .mp3. BFD. It's interesting from a creative and completist POV...but hard to listen to b/c of the quality).

Does WB or the Estate have any responsibilty to service *us* specifically and give *us* Vault material that's "fresh" "new" "exciting" "dynamic"? Of course not. They have a responsibility to enhance and protect the legacy. If we had never heard this boot, I have a feeling the reaction would be different. I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement to go around.

I, for one, am excited to get this collection in quality that lends itself to repeat listening - and on physical formats.

Perspective people....perspective.

Reply #168 posted 06/07/18 10:09am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

feeluupp said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Have you even bought PR DELUXE yet? lol lol


Yes

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #169 posted 06/07/18 10:11am

TheFreakerFantastic

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]

Reply #170 posted 06/07/18 10:20am

IstenSzek

SchlomoThaHomo said:

"Is that it? Wake me when you're done. I guess you'll be the only one having fun."

I can't wait until we get the offical Crucial bootleg next year. And 4 Those Of U On Valium in 2020.

Is this really the unreleased 1984 material referenced in the Variety article? This should have been included with the Purple Rain remaster as 1 of 10 discs. This is not worthy of being promoted as a stand alone release. Strike 2.


yup nod they should have kept this for the next re-release of purple rain.

until when does warners have the publishing rights for the outtakes recorded during
his time with them? it was mentioned a gazillion times during the conflict within the
universal deal. but i'm too lazy to look it up.

anyway, how much time have they got left? they must be putting together packages
for the re-release of his studio albums. behind the scenes i'm sure they are working
on putting those together, remastering the albums and their respective session tracks.

if they're not, they're never going to get the chance to do so again, right? so there is
a limited amount of time for them to do this and cash in.

and whatever anyone thinks, the most sure fire way to make money off the vault is to
sell remastered albums with a shit ton of bonus per album.

so if that's what's going on behind the scenes, i can dig this release right now since it's
just prince by himself so there is no one else that has to be involved in legal rights or
such and it's probably much more easy to polish up something like this which is only 2
tracks i guess (?) compared to multitrack studio songs.

still. i just wish they would say what they have when they start to dangle that carrot,
instead of just talking in riddles and ultimately disappoint because of that.

if carter had said 'we found a piano rehearsal from 1983 and it's great! we want people
to hear this so we will ready it for release in september, it really is something special' -
i would have had about 100% less issue with this release.

but we all know that's not exactly what was said lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #171 posted 06/07/18 10:22am

IstenSzek

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]


i doubt that it's as dramatic as all that and that their intentions are really that evil,
but i'm sure that you and i are not the only ones who find it a bit fucking stupid that
the first official posthumous album includes a track titled 'cold coffee and cocaine' confused

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #172 posted 06/07/18 10:30am

nelcp777

I am looking forward to the release. I guess it is better than nothing. The issue is that die hard fans, who have countless boots and unreleased material will be hard to please for that simple fact. For casual fans, this may be interesting.

I wonder how the pricing will be. If it is overpriced, it may limit the market. Is this the material Troy Carter was raving about coming across that had to be released?

Hopefully, more will come from the Vault that can shock/please die hards and casual.

Reply #173 posted 06/07/18 10:31am

djThunderfunk

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:

BS! There is PLENTY that would please us. Granted, there will always be complainers, but that has been the case forever, even when Prince was alive.

.

BS!

They did not even have an overview of what they have when they decided for this.

There would have been enopugh material for a 45+ minute release of noting heard before outside of PP.

They push the relase far (!) into the future and still come up with this cheap ass nonsensical release.

What does that say about the people organising this, their strategy, their idea of reality, etc?

Did they ever consult with a person that is a fan for say 20+ years?

Do they think that the general public will buy these piano things?

Do we think that they are in such a mess that they cannot even release the 'recent' Piano and a Micrphone tour? (the whole thing and nothing but the whiole thing; P is dead and we're post WB-sloness now)

This is a cheap ass surrogate despite the price.

Have them suits call me of they dare explain.


Umm, did you respond to the wrong post?

I don't disagree with your perspective here at all.

I was responding to the statement: "There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you". I disagree with that statement. I think there are LOTS of things "that could be released" that WOULD please us.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #174 posted 06/07/18 10:35am

databank

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

As said by other above, only a few thousand of hardcore fans are aware of those recordings. PR Deluxe, then NC2U and the positive welcome both releases received from the music press (as being something special when it wasn't) sent the "wrong" message to WB and the estate, and it's a pity, but truth is that if those recordings are new even for most music journalists, they're definitely going to be new for most casual fans as well.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

To be honest, in this digital age (length doesn't matter anymore) + LP revival age (lenght can't be more than 45 minutes), I don't think stuffing CD's for the sake of stuffing CD's makes much sense anymore, if it ever did. If it wasn't going to be a proper boxset with 5 hours of piano recordings, I think a short statement is OK.

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

Please let's not play 1/ conspiracy theories and 2/ the "Prince wouldn't have wanted to" game. Songs are works of fiction and do not have to reflect the artist's personal opinion. It is well documented that Prince didn't do recreational drugs. Those people who believe he was are not trying to get proper information when proper information is widely avalaible, and neither we nor the estate should care about those fools.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

They're in it for the money, not for the love of music. Prince spent a lifetime denouncing this and his fans were often the first ones to criticize him for that ("Prince doesn't know what he's doing! Why won't he just do what WB tells him to do instead of going indie and not asking the label to give him a producer?"). Now Prince is gone and WB is in charge: the trolls got what they wanted, didn't they?

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]

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Reply #175 posted 06/07/18 10:36am

djThunderfunk

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?


Absolutely. It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.

This should be a bonus to a larger collection or smaller scale release marketed to fans only, not the first posthumous release that's not a hits compilation or deluxe reissue.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #176 posted 06/07/18 10:40am

MIRvmn

Silvertongue7 said:

 



MIRvmn said:


Silvertongue7 said:

The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am. It is a cool curiosity, that's all. Anyway, it's coming out 15 months after Purple Rain Deluxe. SO who know, maybe in December 2019 we will get another disappointing release. 


Anyway, there's always bootleggers that we can rely on. 



At first I was a bit disappointed but I'm actually looking forward to this release, however the estate and WB should speed up the releases a bit. Give at least 3 albums a year with unreleased songs, rehearsals and live shows. [Edited 6/7/18 5:53am]

And if they did that, and they started with the unreleased songs that would be ok. But this as the first proper release? I am a prince junkie, I'll consume everything Prince related. And I'm moderately interested in this (a couple of listens before I put it away). So what is the appeal for casual fans or the public at large? None, I would say. 


I might be wrong. I'm often wrong. But as of now I am so underwhelmed...


Yes they should definitely have started with the unreleased songs instead and I think that's what most fans was hoping for. There's tons of material in the vaults, just one release a year isn't enough and sooner or later they have to realise this. This album should have been released today on his birthday and an album with unreleased songs on 21 September.
[Edited 6/7/18 10:41am]
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #177 posted 06/07/18 10:40am

feeluupp

djThunderfunk said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?


Absolutely. It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.

This should be a bonus to a larger collection or smaller scale release marketed to fans only, not the first posthumous release that's not a hits compilation or deluxe reissue.

Exactly. The "casual" Prince fans wil be the one defending this and saying stuff lik we will never be happy....

But the truth is the true Prince fans and collectors are not happy that we are getting a reboot of a boot. Add a few pictures and put it in a vinyl and they want to charge us over $40 for it...

Reply #178 posted 06/07/18 10:41am

feeluupp

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Reply #179 posted 06/07/18 10:46am

luv4u

Moderator

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djThunderfunk said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?


Absolutely. It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.

This should be a bonus to a larger collection or smaller scale release marketed to fans only, not the first posthumous release that's not a hits compilation or deluxe reissue.


nod

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Reply #180 posted 06/07/18 10:46am

djThunderfunk

Considering that NC2U 7'' Single was $10, $40 for the CD, LP & Photobook is a bargain. lol lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #181 posted 06/07/18 10:50am

luv4u

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feeluupp said:

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I want the $40 package

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Reply #182 posted 06/07/18 10:53am

ThirdStrike

Ok, is it me or is the song garbled half way through? I don't have the time I hear the garbling, as I was listening to it in the car first thing this a.m. on the way to work. garbling is a word, right?

Anyway, am I crazy?

Reply #183 posted 06/07/18 10:57am

deebee

It's a very odd release. I mean, I'll buy it, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but they are taking the p*ss putting this out as a full-price CD. It'd be a great extra, or would make a nice second disc with the final piano show from 2016, but it's not an 'album' by any stretch of the imagination. I could understand this and other curiosities being released online for completists, but it really should be at the price point of an EP or maxi-single.

I can only hazard a guess that there must be some kind of problem with releasing the more natural choices (e.g. contractual wrangles; quality issues that are taking time to clear up, etc), and they've put this out as a stopgap so as not to let the market go cold.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #184 posted 06/07/18 11:00am

TrcikyChristopher

ThirdStrike said:

Ok, is it me or is the song garbled half way through? I don't have the time I hear the garbling, as I was listening to it in the car first thing this a.m. on the way to work. garbling is a word, right?

Anyway, am I crazy?

It's true. Probably from the tape.

Reply #185 posted 06/07/18 11:02am

coldasice

Strive said:

There’s a possibility that The Prince Estate are about to announce/release Prince’s Fall 1983 piano rehearsal sessions, previously bootlegged under the name “Intimate Moments”.

The rehearsal features Prince, just playing piano, working through songs such as “17 Days”, “Purple Rain”, “Strange Relationship” and the gospel spiritual, “Mary Don’t You Weep”. It’s an amazing intimate look into a genius at work, with songs that we all know stripped down to their raw elements.


 


Man if we got this, the Warner album and the Tidal album within a year's time. That'd be wild. 





It'd also make sense for the estate to test the water with those three releases to see what the market wants and what it can bear. 

[Edited 6/6/18 19:48pm]


This is the WB album...yes I’m sure
Reply #186 posted 06/07/18 11:02am

databank

IstenSzek said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I was expecting from the announcement a while back a complete remastered album of unheard tracks fresh from the vault, not something that has been out on bootleg for years.

If this is really only 35 minutes then it's a wasted oportunity. There are plenty of other piano recordings from '82 they could have teamed it with to make a full disc?

Also even though P did record Cold Coffee and Cocaine I don't think he would have ever released it knowing his anti drug views. It fits the convenient WB and media narrative that Prince was on drugs and therefore caused his own death, when really the botched investigation leaves open the option that foul play was possible.

It's starting to make me doubt if there really is as much in the vault as previously claimed. Hope I'm wrong on that though! Thank God for the (free) bootlegs though, sadly you can't rely on record companies now to do a proper job.

[Edited 6/7/18 10:13am]


i doubt that it's as dramatic as all that and that their intentions are really that evil,
but i'm sure that you and i are not the only ones who find it a bit fucking stupid that
the first official posthumous album includes a track titled 'cold coffee and cocaine' confused

To be honest I've always though it was one of the best songs title ever. Regardless of the lyrics, those few words alone are so evocative and visual, you can easily picture a lonely man in his 40's, doing a line with a cup of cold coffee on the table, at 5AM, in the darkness of a jazz bar, after being dumped by a girl, losing his job and realizing his whole life is a mess biggrin

.

To be honest I'd say let's not be too conservative, shall we? Between those people who want to censor rape lines from songs and those others who want drugs references to remain in the vault, it feels like Tipper Gore has taken control of what used to be a community of freaks and hippies. Songs aren't supposed to be moral, and they're works of fiction that aren't supposed to always convey their author's personal opinion or life experiences.

.

Regardless, I agree with you: it makes no sense to read anything into it and come-up with illuminati nonsense about a WB conspiracy. People have waaaaaay too much imagination.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #187 posted 06/07/18 11:02am

Silvertongue7

deebee said:

It's a very odd release. I mean, I'll buy it, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but they are taking the p*ss putting this out as a full-price CD. It'd be a great extra, or would make a nice second disc with the final piano show from 2016, but it's not an 'album' by any stretch of the imagination. I could understand this and other curiosities being released online for completists, but it really should be at the price point of an EP or maxi-single.

I can only hazard a guess that there must be some kind of problem with releasing the more natural choices (e.g. contractual wrangles; quality issues that are taking time to clear up, etc), and they've put this out as a stopgap so as not to let the market go cold. 


This exactly.
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #188 posted 06/07/18 11:07am

FragileUndertow

well it doesnt look like a jewel case lol

Piano & A Microphone 1983 CD

Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #189 posted 06/07/18 11:14am

databank

TrcikyChristopher said:

ThirdStrike said:

Ok, is it me or is the song garbled half way through? I don't have the time I hear the garbling, as I was listening to it in the car first thing this a.m. on the way to work. garbling is a word, right?

Anyway, am I crazy?

It's true. Probably from the tape.

Oh God you are right wall shake

.

OK, so they're probably gonna say the tape was like this and they couldn't do anything. And maybe indeed they couldn't.

.

Only thing that bothers me, however, is that this "garble" can't be heard on the bootleg, which of course sounds much worse oeverall but which also means it's not impossible that some collectors have the first gen copy that was trashed to be bootlegged, and that WB could have gone to those poele to try and get the best possible copy.

.

So IDK, it's possible WB did try to find a better copy and didn't, but it's also possible they didn't even bother to check whether this was circulating and/or ask traders if they could help. If this is the case, this shows that a collaborative effort between the Estate and the community is much needed.

.

If the recording is really released as such, it will be yet another release in what is beginning to become a long list of debatable quality posthumous releases by the estate and WB. Not cool sad

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Reply #190 posted 06/07/18 11:16am

Milty2

OMG I am gonna go more broke than when Prince was alive.

PRINCE - Hometown Hero: vimeo.com/136326665
Reply #191 posted 06/07/18 11:24am

ThirdStrike

databank said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

It's true. Probably from the tape.

Oh God you are right wall shake

.

OK, so they're probably gonna say the tape was like this and they couldn't do anything. And maybe indeed they couldn't.

.

Only thing that bothers me, however, is that this "garble" can't be heard on the bootleg, which of course sounds much worse oeverall but which also means it's not impossible that some collectors have the first gen copy that was trashed to be bootlegged, and that WB could have gone to those poele to try and get the best possible copy.

.

So IDK, it's possible WB did try to find a better copy and didn't, but it's also possible they didn't even bother to check whether this was circulating and/or ask traders if they could help. If this is the case, this shows that a collaborative effort between the Estate and the community is much needed.

.

If the recording is really released as such, it will be yet another release in what is beginning to become a long list of debatable quality posthumous releases by the estate and WB. Not cool sad

That's the thing. For an official release, these types of things should have been fixed. I'm no expert in how that would be done, but figure something out. Because from what I heard at 5am this morning driving in to work half alseep with only about 20% of my senses engaged, it stood out like a sore thumb. It'll probably sound even worse later when I get home, wide awake with my good headphones on...

Other then that, I'm stoked as shit about this one. The more, the merrier!

Reply #192 posted 06/07/18 11:33am

fabriziovenerandi

I got Mary Don't You Weep. You can put it in repeat for an hour and it works.

About the release, the bootleg, and "oh, no, WB is wrong". Well, if YOU have bought bootlegs in past, it is a YOUR problem, not mine, not a Warner Bros's one. And, yes, in the next years we will see a lot of bootleged songs released for the first time for the casual listener. I hope.

Reply #193 posted 06/07/18 11:37am

databank

ThirdStrike said:

databank said:

Oh God you are right wall shake

.

OK, so they're probably gonna say the tape was like this and they couldn't do anything. And maybe indeed they couldn't.

.

Only thing that bothers me, however, is that this "garble" can't be heard on the bootleg, which of course sounds much worse oeverall but which also means it's not impossible that some collectors have the first gen copy that was trashed to be bootlegged, and that WB could have gone to those poele to try and get the best possible copy.

.

So IDK, it's possible WB did try to find a better copy and didn't, but it's also possible they didn't even bother to check whether this was circulating and/or ask traders if they could help. If this is the case, this shows that a collaborative effort between the Estate and the community is much needed.

.

If the recording is really released as such, it will be yet another release in what is beginning to become a long list of debatable quality posthumous releases by the estate and WB. Not cool sad

That's the thing. For an official release, these types of things should have been fixed. I'm no expert in how that would be done, but figure something out. Because from what I heard at 5am this morning driving in to work half alseep with only about 20% of my senses engaged, it stood out like a sore thumb. It'll probably sound even worse later when I get home, wide awake with my good headphones on...

Other then that, I'm stoked as shit about this one. The more, the merrier!

Thing is, if they couldn't secure another copy it's possible that the damage could not be fixed. let's not forget we're probably talking of a 35 years old Maxwell cassette, not even a proper multitrack let alone a master.

.

Thing is, again, that most critics will be like "it's a pity the recording isn't 100% perfect but what could they have done, and it's already cool to have it", and indeed I'd rather have this with a few issues than my current bootleg copy. However the problem is (again) that WB won't communicate about the details, and that no music critic will even think of the possibility that some "elite" traders may (and I use conditional on purpose, because we don't know) have a better quality copy.

.

I think it could be senseful to drop an email to this SuperDeluxeEdition guy, who is quite influential I believe. He totally wasn't aware of the issues with PR Deluxe and I guess he knows nothing of that "behind the scenes" situation where a collaboration between the Estate, WB, "elite" traders and Prince "researchers" could benefit everyone on the long run.

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Reply #194 posted 06/07/18 11:38am

Marrk

ThirdStrike said:

Ok, is it me or is the song garbled half way through? I don't have the time I hear the garbling, as I was listening to it in the car first thing this a.m. on the way to work. garbling is a word, right?

Anyway, am I crazy?

Yep. tape damage.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #195 posted 06/07/18 11:40am

TheGloved1

I like the idea of 1983 material release. It plugs that gap in Prince music for the year, so now my record collection for him will span 1978-1988 with a release for each year, completing his heyday run in my eyes.

To be honest, I'm still salivating over the new stuff we got on Purple Rain Deluxe, those were a bunch of songs I'd never heard before and created an albums worth of material. All you bootlegging fans are gonna suffer now lol

Rest assured WB has a lot in the gun. This is them counteracting Tidal (Do they own the rights to a P&M 2016 or is that Tidal??) They're competing agasint new material and are gonna wait on any legendary recordings from the vault that will really shock people until the dust settles from Tidal's promotional push.

Reply #196 posted 06/07/18 11:59am

databank

deebee said:

It's a very odd release. I mean, I'll buy it, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but they are taking the p*ss putting this out as a full-price CD. It'd be a great extra, or would make a nice second disc with the final piano show from 2016, but it's not an 'album' by any stretch of the imagination. I could understand this and other curiosities being released online for completists, but it really should be at the price point of an EP or maxi-single.

I can only hazard a guess that there must be some kind of problem with releasing the more natural choices (e.g. contractual wrangles; quality issues that are taking time to clear up, etc), and they've put this out as a stopgap so as not to let the market go cold.

It's funny that you'd say that because back in 2002 a lot of people -not me!- complained that ONA was inferior to Intimate Moments (they should have kept that legendary title for the official release, BTW), and that Prince should have released Intimate Moments instead. In the end when you get to listen to it with a pristine (or near pristine) sound quality, I'm pretty sure you will learn to appreciate it as an album in its own right. Call it a "live in the studio" album like The Undertaker if you will, but it's a cohesive piece of music that works well as a listening experience.

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Reply #197 posted 06/07/18 12:10pm

luv4u

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Reply #198 posted 06/07/18 12:11pm

TheFreakerFantastic

see below

[Edited 6/7/18 12:24pm]

Reply #199 posted 06/07/18 12:22pm

rusty1

Is this release different than WB sept 28th project?
This release is highly disappointing ..
I heard most of this yrs ago..
Unreal
[Edited 6/7/18 12:23pm]
BOB4theFUNK
Reply #200 posted 06/07/18 12:23pm

TheFreakerFantastic

databank said:

IstenSzek said:


i doubt that it's as dramatic as all that and that their intentions are really that evil,
but i'm sure that you and i are not the only ones who find it a bit fucking stupid that
the first official posthumous album includes a track titled 'cold coffee and cocaine' confused

To be honest I've always though it was one of the best songs title ever. Regardless of the lyrics, those few words alone are so evocative and visual, you can easily picture a lonely man in his 40's, doing a line with a cup of cold coffee on the table, at 5AM, in the darkness of a jazz bar, after being dumped by a girl, losing his job and realizing his whole life is a mess biggrin

.

To be honest I'd say let's not be too conservative, shall we? Between those people who want to censor rape lines from songs and those others who want drugs references to remain in the vault, it feels like Tipper Gore has taken control of what used to be a community of freaks and hippies. Songs aren't supposed to be moral, and they're works of fiction that aren't supposed to always convey their author's personal opinion or life experiences.

Still it is highly unlikely that Prince would have allowed a song with that title to be released considering his clean living ways. Any references to drugs were usually disguised (Anna Stesia?). I also found it tactless to release such a song title soon after his death considering the supposed circumstances, as it potentially builds on the assumption in the public mind that he was on drugs.

.

Regardless, I agree with you: it makes no sense to read anything into it and come-up with illuminati nonsense about a WB conspiracy. People have waaaaaay too much imagination.

Who said anything about Illiminati? Not me, but before you blindly accept the WB/Media version I advise you to read the full police report and look at the massive gaps in proper procedure and evidence gathering and ask yourself if that really can rule out foul play. Hell, even vital evidence such as his computer was left in PP to be tampered with after his death and 3 of the main people around him refused to give police statements. No will was found despite Mayte saying he had one when they were together. Now WB can exploit the vault to their hearts content with no difficult star to interfere and stop them. Don't you think that begs a lot of questions?


Reply #201 posted 06/07/18 12:30pm

luvsexy4all

but why THIS ..NOW??? how is this supposed to get more people interested ??????

Reply #202 posted 06/07/18 12:39pm

djThunderfunk

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.



We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #203 posted 06/07/18 12:40pm

IstenSzek

databank said:

IstenSzek said:


i doubt that it's as dramatic as all that and that their intentions are really that evil,
but i'm sure that you and i are not the only ones who find it a bit fucking stupid that
the first official posthumous album includes a track titled 'cold coffee and cocaine' confused

To be honest I've always though it was one of the best songs title ever. Regardless of the lyrics, those few words alone are so evocative and visual, you can easily picture a lonely man in his 40's, doing a line with a cup of cold coffee on the table, at 5AM, in the darkness of a jazz bar, after being dumped by a girl, losing his job and realizing his whole life is a mess biggrin

.

To be honest I'd say let's not be too conservative, shall we? Between those people who want to censor rape lines from songs and those others who want drugs references to remain in the vault, it feels like Tipper Gore has taken control of what used to be a community of freaks and hippies. Songs aren't supposed to be moral, and they're works of fiction that aren't supposed to always convey their author's personal opinion or life experiences.

.

Regardless, I agree with you: it makes no sense to read anything into it and come-up with illuminati nonsense about a WB conspiracy. People have waaaaaay too much imagination.

you're right it's a very cool title, i've always thought so, too. and i don't want anything censored
that comes out of the vault.

it's just that for the very first release, this is a weird little album to start, plus then it has a song
on it with the word 'cocaine' in the title. i mean, wtf lol but whatever, i can live with it.

if prince had recorded an album with 10 songs each named after a different drug, i would want it
released just as badly as i want 'madrid 2 chicago'.

but it's just that, you know, i'm a bit disappointed with this release (mostly because it means i'm
not gonna be listening to at least 8 studio outtakes on an album in september) so i'm just being
grumpy biggrin


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #204 posted 06/07/18 12:40pm

Phishanga

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
Reply #205 posted 06/07/18 12:41pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.




yeahthat

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #206 posted 06/07/18 12:46pm

Silvertongue7

Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here. 


I hadn’t heard Love and Sex, Electric Intercourse, Father’s Song, Possessed 84 or We Can Fuck and they managed to release them.
I didn’t bitch because I already had Wonderful Ass or The Dance Electric. That was my fault.
It just this particular choice. It is underwhelming (in my opinion) in every way: 35 minutes, poor sound, un interesting track list. I can’t see myself listening to this two weeks after its release, and I listen to Prince most days. And I can’t see any casual Prince fans even bothering with it. So who is the target audience for this?
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #207 posted 06/07/18 12:48pm

TrivialPursuit

I fucking love this! It steps out of the norm of "the vault" or "unreleased outtakes" sort of stuff, and lets us really hear Prince at a piano, singing, and just being Prince. He said he was music. And it is things like this which keep that claim fully intact. The fact that he was still able to sit and do this at the end of his life helps bookend a life and career that was fully and 100% realized through the art of music.


This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
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Reply #208 posted 06/07/18 12:51pm

luvsexy4all

Silvertongue7 said:

Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here.

I hadn’t heard Love and Sex, Electric Intercourse, Father’s Song, Possessed 84 or We Can Fuck and they managed to release them. I didn’t bitch because I already had Wonderful Ass or The Dance Electric. That was my fault. It just this particular choice. It is underwhelming (in my opinion) in every way: 35 minutes, poor sound, un interesting track list. I can’t see myself listening to this two weeks after its release, and I listen to Prince most days. And I can’t see any casual Prince fans even bothering with it. So who is the target audience for this?

i dont see casual or non-fans buying this.....proving he is'nt selllable...dumbasses...why isnt this coupled with the final atlanta show???????

Reply #209 posted 06/07/18 12:52pm

feeluupp

TrivialPursuit said:

I fucking love this! It steps out of the norm of "the vault" or "unreleased outtakes" sort of stuff, and lets us really hear Prince at a piano, singing, and just being Prince. He said he was music. And it is things like this which keep that claim fully intact. The fact that he was still able to sit and do this at the end of his life helps bookend a life and career that was fully and 100% realized through the art of music.


HAHAHAHA

They are re releasing a boot... There's no essence behind this release... lol lol

Reply #210 posted 06/07/18 12:56pm

TrivialPursuit

feeluupp said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I fucking love this! It steps out of the norm of "the vault" or "unreleased outtakes" sort of stuff, and lets us really hear Prince at a piano, singing, and just being Prince. He said he was music. And it is things like this which keep that claim fully intact. The fact that he was still able to sit and do this at the end of his life helps bookend a life and career that was fully and 100% realized through the art of music.


HAHAHAHA

They are re releasing a boot... There's no essence behind this release... lol lol


That's how you see it, then ok. But this boot was leaked. It was fuzzy, a copy of a copy of a copy. The one released is way better sound quality. That alone is worth it. Prince used to talk about cleaning up the black market, then he never tried to do it again. The fact that whoever is putting out official versions of these songs we love so much (Moonbeam Levels, Computer Blue, Possessed, etc) is what I want. People can have boots all day and debate over which one is a cleaner copy, but all that falls to the wayside when they pull out the original tape and release it.

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Reply #211 posted 06/07/18 12:57pm

luvsexy4all

so does the oiginal bootleggers tape sound BETTER than WB???

Reply #212 posted 06/07/18 12:59pm

paulludvig

TrivialPursuit said:

 



feeluupp said:


 



TrivialPursuit said:


I fucking love this! It steps out of the norm of "the vault" or "unreleased outtakes" sort of stuff, and lets us really hear Prince at a piano, singing, and just being Prince. He said he was music. And it is things like this which keep that claim fully intact. The fact that he was still able to sit and do this at the end of his life helps bookend a life and career that was fully and 100% realized through the art of music.




 


HAHAHAHA


 


 


They are re releasing a boot... There's no essence behind this release...  lol lol




That's how you see it, then ok. But this boot was leaked. It was fuzzy, a copy of a copy of a copy. The one released is way better sound quality. That alone is worth it. Prince used to talk about cleaning up the black market, then he never tried to do it again. The fact that whoever is putting out official versions of these songs we love so much (Moonbeam Levels, Computer Blue, Possessed, etc) is what I want. People can have boots all day and debate over which one is a cleaner copy, but all that falls to the wayside when they pull out the original tape and release it.



You prefer songs we already have?
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Reply #213 posted 06/07/18 12:59pm

luvsexy4all

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Reply #214 posted 06/07/18 1:06pm

Marrk

Feeling kind of fortunate. I had this boot, but deleted it as i don't keep many with poor sound quality. Bit of a result for me really. Also people moaning about the length of it at 35 mins, See Dirty Mind and Controversy. I prefer my albums 20 minutes a side, as it used to be routinely. And Prince himself brought that back in later years with shorter albums. I don't mind.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #215 posted 06/07/18 1:07pm

CrozzaUK

This is a mind boggling release.

Considering what could be released. Considering the sheer volume of what they have at their disposal. Of course officially this has never been heard. But lets be real hear - we are their main market. The people to make money off of. So they need to work out and pay attention to what we want and what we already ahve access to. I know a bootleg is just that, but the reality is this fan base is not going to grow through releases like this, so just give the existing fan base what they want. It serves no purpose other than to tick the box. I would say that this is meaningful to about only 5% of his hardcore fans.

Off the abck of the wonderful surprise that was Nothing Compares 2 U, we all thought they were going to deliver goods we wanted, but this is just a reminder that maybe they dont know what the fuck they are doing.

Ah well. Here's hoping the tidal release in 2019 is something great. My guess is it will be the Piano & A Microphone album - which i will be delighted with if so.

But please warners & the estate grace us with some actual cuts - not just a piano doodle.

Reply #216 posted 06/07/18 1:09pm

CrozzaUK

luvsexy4all said:

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Maybe. Maybe there was a will. And it stated that it would be known that there was no will.

but really there was a 100 year plan.

of new prince releasees.

All which toiled with the emotions and hopes of his fans. just as he had for years.

that would defintely be a very prince thing to do.

Reply #217 posted 06/07/18 1:13pm

ThirdStrike

luvsexy4all said:

Silvertongue7 said:

Phishanga said: I hadn’t heard Love and Sex, Electric Intercourse, Father’s Song, Possessed 84 or We Can Fuck and they managed to release them. I didn’t bitch because I already had Wonderful Ass or The Dance Electric. That was my fault. It just this particular choice. It is underwhelming (in my opinion) in every way: 35 minutes, poor sound, un interesting track list. I can’t see myself listening to this two weeks after its release, and I listen to Prince most days. And I can’t see any casual Prince fans even bothering with it. So who is the target audience for this?

i dont see casual or non-fans buying this.....proving he is'nt selllable...dumbasses...why isnt this coupled with the final atlanta show???????

...and you don't see the connection with this release?!? It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release. I mean shit. The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).

Super obvious. And smart.

Reply #218 posted 06/07/18 1:16pm

luvsexy4all

ThirdStrike said:

luvsexy4all said:

i dont see casual or non-fans buying this.....proving he is'nt selllable...dumbasses...why isnt this coupled with the final atlanta show???????

...and you don't see the connection with this release?!? It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release. I mean shit. The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).

Super obvious. And smart.

so wb is intentionally trying to f with tidal? people would more likely buy the atlanta show

Reply #219 posted 06/07/18 1:17pm

rogifan

I think it’s stupid to include a song with the title cold coffee and cocaine. But I also thought it was stupid to include WCF and WA on the Purple Release. Is Troy the final sign off on this stuff or does WB do whatever it wants?
Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #220 posted 06/07/18 1:18pm

ThirdStrike

CrozzaUK said:

This is a mind boggling release.

Considering what could be released. Considering the sheer volume of what they have at their disposal. Of course officially this has never been heard. But lets be real hear - we are their main market. The people to make money off of. So they need to work out and pay attention to what we want and what we already ahve access to. I know a bootleg is just that, but the reality is this fan base is not going to grow through releases like this, so just give the existing fan base what they want. It serves no purpose other than to tick the box. I would say that this is meaningful to about only 5% of his hardcore fans.

Off the abck of the wonderful surprise that was Nothing Compares 2 U, we all thought they were going to deliver goods we wanted, but this is just a reminder that maybe they dont know what the fuck they are doing.

Ah well. Here's hoping the tidal release in 2019 is something great. My guess is it will be the Piano & A Microphone album - which i will be delighted with if so.

But please warners & the estate grace us with some actual cuts - not just a piano doodle.

Ridiculous. What's funny to me is that the argument in the name of most "hardcore" fans is that those making the decisions will only make those that would generate the most revenue. That they'll make the popular choice in releasing stuff to please the moderate to casual fans, and leave us hardcore fans out. Then, they make a choice that goes in the COMPLETELY opposite direction, and people complain about wanting stuff they don't already (illegally) have. It's nuts. But not unexpected around here these days.

End of the day? I'm cool! I don't have this already. It'll be new to me come September, so I'm good. And before you ask, I've been a hardcore for over 35 years.

Strike

Reply #221 posted 06/07/18 1:20pm

steakfinger

I am incredibly disappointed by this news. 35 minutes of Prince dicking around on his piano at his house? That’s fine and I’d be happy about it if it were part of a bigger/better release. This seems to me like a hardcore fan-only release, which is cool, but THAT’S going to be the album of unreleased stuff we get from WB? I really don’t need to hear Prince rehearsing his piano medley. A full band rehearsal would be cool, but this isn’t exciting to me. I listened to the track that’s available now and the singing and playing are fine, but so what? There are a handful of lyrics repeated as naseum. This would be awesome as a bonus disc but not as the main release. Just my opinion, of course.
Reply #222 posted 06/07/18 1:23pm

ThirdStrike

luvsexy4all said:

ThirdStrike said:

...and you don't see the connection with this release?!? It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release. I mean shit. The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).

Super obvious. And smart.

so wb is intentionally trying to f with tidal? people would more likely buy the atlanta show

Respectfully disagree. Most casual fans associate Prince with the "Purple Rain" days. The look, the sound. Most iconic images of Prince are centered around this time. Look at what eras the estate is releasing merchandise wise (most "PR" but goes backwards from there). It's what most people connect Prince with. So an album which was recorded around that particular time would, IMO, generate more interest. I agree though. I want both. it'd be cool to officially bookend his career like that. But I truly believe it's a dick measuring contest at this point, absolutely.

Reply #223 posted 06/07/18 1:23pm

steakfinger

Also, the sound quality bites. There are muddy parts here and there from about the middle of that Mary song that sound like it was sourced from an old cassette tape.
Reply #224 posted 06/07/18 1:24pm

sonshine

shockadelica777 said:

I don't understand the collective saltiness here.


 


 


Put yourselves in the shoes of Troy Carter, WB, and anyone else associated with these projects.  They came across this rehearsal. Let's assume the quality is pretty good. Look at the tracklist.  There's a much better than average chance that Mr. Carter, Estate reps and WB reps had NEVER heard the shitty quality boot that's been circulating for years.


 


 


How should they react?  Should they immediately consult PrinceVault to see if/when/how its been bootlegged?  Or should they get excited about finding a potentially complete rehearsal of important songs - transcendent songs that weren't even released yet?


 


 


Has this release been ciruculating amongst the hardcore fans for years now? Yes.


(FWIW I think I have that boot on cassette, vinyl, CD and .mp3.  BFD. It's interesting from a creative and completist POV...but hard to listen to b/c of the quality).


 


 


Does WB or the Estate have any responsibilty to service *us* specifically and give *us* Vault material that's "fresh" "new" "exciting" "dynamic"?  Of course not.  They have a responsibility to enhance and protect the legacy.  If we had never heard this boot, I have a feeling the reaction would be different.  I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement to go around.


 


 


I, for one, am excited to get this collection in quality that lends itself to repeat listening - and on physical formats.


 


 


Perspective people....perspective.


+1
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Reply #225 posted 06/07/18 1:24pm

ThirdStrike

rogifan said:

I think it’s stupid to include a song with the title cold coffee and cocaine. But I also thought it was stupid to include WCF and WA on the Purple Release. Is Troy the final sign off on this stuff or does WB do whatever it wants?

So, if your way you would have excluded those two songs off that set?!?!? That's insane! Those are the two best cuts...by far! Wait, I do VERY much love "Love & Sex" though too...

Reply #226 posted 06/07/18 1:26pm

ThirdStrike

sonshine said:

shockadelica777 said:

I don't understand the collective saltiness here.

Put yourselves in the shoes of Troy Carter, WB, and anyone else associated with these projects. They came across this rehearsal. Let's assume the quality is pretty good. Look at the tracklist. There's a much better than average chance that Mr. Carter, Estate reps and WB reps had NEVER heard the shitty quality boot that's been circulating for years.

How should they react? Should they immediately consult PrinceVault to see if/when/how its been bootlegged? Or should they get excited about finding a potentially complete rehearsal of important songs - transcendent songs that weren't even released yet?

Has this release been ciruculating amongst the hardcore fans for years now? Yes.

(FWIW I think I have that boot on cassette, vinyl, CD and .mp3. BFD. It's interesting from a creative and completist POV...but hard to listen to b/c of the quality).

Does WB or the Estate have any responsibilty to service *us* specifically and give *us* Vault material that's "fresh" "new" "exciting" "dynamic"? Of course not. They have a responsibility to enhance and protect the legacy. If we had never heard this boot, I have a feeling the reaction would be different. I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement to go around.

I, for one, am excited to get this collection in quality that lends itself to repeat listening - and on physical formats.

Perspective people....perspective.

+1

EXCELLENT post!

Reply #227 posted 06/07/18 1:26pm

OnlyNDaUsa

the issue with this is that it is not going to sell well.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #228 posted 06/07/18 1:29pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the issue with this is that it is not going to sell well.


Give it a chance razz

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Reply #229 posted 06/07/18 1:39pm

Silvertongue7

luv4u said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


the issue with this is that it is not going to sell well.  




Give it a chance razz


I think WBR and the estate should have given it a chance. By releasing something else.
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Reply #230 posted 06/07/18 1:42pm

IstenSzek

Silvertongue7 said:

luv4u said:


Give it a chance razz

I think WBR and the estate should have given it a chance. By releasing something else.


I think WBR and the estate should have given it a chance. By releasing it as an extra with something else smile

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Reply #231 posted 06/07/18 1:43pm

rogifan

ThirdStrike said:

 



rogifan said:


I think it’s stupid to include a song with the title cold coffee and cocaine. But I also thought it was stupid to include WCF and WA on the Purple Release. Is Troy the final sign off on this stuff or does WB do whatever it wants?

So, if your way you would have excluded those two songs off that set?!?!?  That's insane!  Those are the two best cuts...by far!  Wait, I do VERY much love "Love & Sex" though too...


Yes. What does WCF have to do with Purple Rain anyway? Besides y’all got the boots so what do you care. wink
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Reply #232 posted 06/07/18 1:51pm

databank

TheFreakerFantastic said:

databank said:

To be honest I've always though it was one of the best songs title ever. Regardless of the lyrics, those few words alone are so evocative and visual, you can easily picture a lonely man in his 40's, doing a line with a cup of cold coffee on the table, at 5AM, in the darkness of a jazz bar, after being dumped by a girl, losing his job and realizing his whole life is a mess biggrin

.

To be honest I'd say let's not be too conservative, shall we? Between those people who want to censor rape lines from songs and those others who want drugs references to remain in the vault, it feels like Tipper Gore has taken control of what used to be a community of freaks and hippies. Songs aren't supposed to be moral, and they're works of fiction that aren't supposed to always convey their author's personal opinion or life experiences.

Still it is highly unlikely that Prince would have allowed a song with that title to be released considering his clean living ways. Any references to drugs were usually disguised (Anna Stesia?). I also found it tactless to release such a song title soon after his death considering the supposed circumstances, as it potentially builds on the assumption in the public mind that he was on drugs.

.

Regardless, I agree with you: it makes no sense to read anything into it and come-up with illuminati nonsense about a WB conspiracy. People have waaaaaay too much imagination.

Who said anything about Illiminati? Not me, but before you blindly accept the WB/Media version I advise you to read the full police report and look at the massive gaps in proper procedure and evidence gathering and ask yourself if that really can rule out foul play. Hell, even vital evidence such as his computer was left in PP to be tampered with after his death and 3 of the main people around him refused to give police statements. No will was found despite Mayte saying he had one when they were together. Now WB can exploit the vault to their hearts content with no difficult star to interfere and stop them. Don't you think that begs a lot of questions?


I apologize if I sounded harsh.

.

I don't know anything about those police reports and I didn't follow that investigation. There may or there may be not be suspicious things, I can't argue with you on the specifics and you might entirely be right.

.

To be perfectly honest, thanks to the internet I am exposed daily to people expressing opinions about finding suspiscious things about everything from politics to celebrities' deaths to the Moon landing and Nasa activites to vaccination and scientific research to terrorist attacks and so on, and everyone seems to have many solid arguments but when you dig a little it usually leads nowhere. So my default mode is "if it's not from a journalist, a professional investigator, an official source or an individual I have solid reasons to believe reliable, it has 99% chances to be fake". I realize I have a bias but when 99% of people's theories are nonsense, and they are, you can't waste your time looking for the 1% that are right. However in the case you'd happen to be in that 1%, I would be wrong to dismiss you like that, I'll admit it.

.

Regardless, my point is that there is a difference between finding elements that are suspiscious and beg a lot of questions, as it appears you have, and, on that basis, throwing extremely serious accusations, as you seem to be doing. Accusing by name Warner Bros as a company, and by extension its management, or any individual for that matter, of tampering with a murder investigation, depriving petential heirs of their legitimate inheritance and possibly even being involved in the death of an individual, is extremely serious (I'm pretty sure you could be sued for defamation, by the way), and without solid evidence of guilt (as opposed to the conviction that some things are suspiscious), I find it quite inappropriate to go and make such accusations on a public message board. If you believe an investigation needs to be made, you should go ask the police to reopen the case or convince a serious investigation journalist to investigate with professional methods, but I don't believe the internet is the place for this. It goes against my core conception of democracy, justice and freedom of speech. You may, however, disagree.

.

This being said, even if you are 100% right and your accusations are all accurate, there is still one little big problem: assuming that WB has chosen this recording, out of all the recordings available in the vault, only because the title of one song vaguely and conveniently corroborates the narrative they wish to maintain, to be the first proper collection of posthumous material. Now I'm going to be harsh on purpose and I apologize again, but this is madness. This narrative is so unlikely, so far-fetched, so extravagant, so paranoid that it annihilates the credibility of any other claim you may make regarding this death investigation and anything connected to it. So I'm sorry, but no, no, and no.

.

Peace hug

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Reply #233 posted 06/07/18 1:57pm

NorthC

ThirdStrike said:

 



luvsexy4all said:


 



Silvertongue7 said:


Phishanga said: I hadn’t heard Love and Sex, Electric Intercourse, Father’s Song, Possessed 84 or We Can Fuck and they managed to release them. I didn’t bitch because I already had Wonderful Ass or The Dance Electric. That was my fault. It just this particular choice. It is underwhelming (in my opinion) in every way: 35 minutes, poor sound, un interesting track list. I can’t see myself listening to this two weeks after its release, and I listen to Prince most days. And I can’t see any casual Prince fans even bothering with it. So who is the target audience for this?

i dont see casual or non-fans buying this.....proving he is'nt selllable...dumbasses...why isnt this coupled with the final atlanta show?????



...and you don't see the connection with this release?!?  It's obviously an attempt to undermine the TIDAL release, which will no undoubtably be either the final Atlanta show, or a complilation of his final "Piano & Microphone" shows as a single release.  I mean shit.  The title is even intentionally undermining that release (just about word for word except the "83" at the end).


 


Super obvious.  And smart.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking: if we can't have the Piano & Mic shows, we'll release something that sounds like it! And from his glory days! They even stole the title.
That said, I think I have the best of both worlds: I have it on a cassette, but haven't heard it in such a long time that it will sound new to me
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #234 posted 06/07/18 2:02pm

NorthC

rogifan said:

ThirdStrike said:

 



rogifan said:


I think it’s stupid to include a song with the title cold coffee and cocaine. But I also thought it was stupid to include WCF and WA on the Purple Release. Is Troy the final sign off on this stuff or does WB do whatever it wants?

So, if your way you would have excluded those two songs off that set?!?!?  That's insane!  Those are the two best cuts...by far!  Wait, I do VERY much love "Love & Sex" though too...


Yes. What does WCF have to do with Purple Rain anyway? Besides y’all got the boots so what do you care. wink

The 10 minutes version of We Can Fuck was not available on bootleg. I do agree that it"s got nothing to do with the film. I would much rather have a CD that puts all versions of a song together, so you can hear how it grows. That would show the listener something about Prince's creative process.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #235 posted 06/07/18 2:06pm

purplerabbithole

If Mary Don't you Weep is in a controversial spike lee movie in August..(in the closing credits) maybe that will generate more interest. I can only hope that Lee's movie is good and gets some hype, for both his and P's sake.

Reply #236 posted 06/07/18 2:08pm

TheFreakerFantastic

databank said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Who said anything about Illiminati? Not me, but before you blindly accept the WB/Media version I advise you to read the full police report and look at the massive gaps in proper procedure and evidence gathering and ask yourself if that really can rule out foul play. Hell, even vital evidence such as his computer was left in PP to be tampered with after his death and 3 of the main people around him refused to give police statements. No will was found despite Mayte saying he had one when they were together. Now WB can exploit the vault to their hearts content with no difficult star to interfere and stop them. Don't you think that begs a lot of questions?


I apologize if I sounded harsh.

.

I don't know anything about those police reports and I didn't follow that investigation. There may or there may be not be suspicious things, I can't argue with you on the specifics and you might entirely be right.

.

To be perfectly honest, thanks to the internet I am exposed daily to people expressing opinions about finding suspiscious things about everything from politics to celebrities' deaths to the Moon landing and Nasa activites to vaccination and scientific research to terrorist attacks and so on, and everyone seems to have many solid arguments but when you dig a little it usually leads nowhere. So my default mode is "if it's not from a journalist, a professional investigator, an official source or an individual I have solid reasons to believe reliable, it has 99% chances to be fake". I realize I have a bias but when 99% of people's theories are nonsense, and they are, you can't waste your time looking for the 1% that are right. However in the case you'd happen to be in that 1%, I would be wrong to dismiss you like that, I'll admit it.

.

Regardless, my point is that there is a difference between finding elements that are suspiscious and beg a lot of questions, as it appears you have, and, on that basis, throwing extremely serious accusations, as you seem to be doing. Accusing by name Warner Bros as a company, and by extension its management, or any individual for that matter, of tampering with a murder investigation, depriving petential heirs of their legitimate inheritance and possibly even being involved in the death of an individual, is extremely serious (I'm pretty sure you could be sued for defamation, by the way), and without solid evidence of guilt (as opposed to the conviction that some things are suspiscious), I find it quite inappropriate to go and make such accusations on a public message board. If you believe an investigation needs to be made, you should go ask the police to reopen the case or convince a serious investigation journalist to investigate with professional methods, but I don't believe the internet is the place for this. It goes against my core conception of democracy, justice and freedom of speech. You may, however, disagree.

?!?! THE INTERNET ISN'T THE PLACE FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE?! WHERE EXACTLY DO YOU SUGGEST IS THEN? I find that argument totally illogical.



This being said, even if you are 100% right and your accusations are all accurate, there is still one

little big problem: assuming that WB has chosen this recording, out of all the recordings available in the vault, only because the title of one song vaguely and conveniently corroborates the narrative they wish to maintain, to be the first proper collection of posthumous material. Now I'm going to be harsh on purpose and I apologize again, but this is madness. This narrative is so unlikely, so far-fetched, so extravagant, so paranoid that it annihilates the credibility of any other claim you may make regarding this death investigation and anything connected to it. So I'm sorry, but no, no, and no.

.

Peace hug

Not at all. Just because you don't agree with this point does not invalidate the whole argument. Do you only listen to people you 100% agree with in life?

Now go and read the police report before you make any blind assumptions about what happened!!!


[Edited 6/7/18 14:10pm]

Reply #237 posted 06/07/18 2:08pm

NorthC

luv4u said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


the issue with this is that it is not going to sell well.  




Give it a chance razz


Depends on how you define "sell well". No, it's not going to race to the top of the charts, but there's enough Prince fans left in the world to make this profitable.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #238 posted 06/07/18 2:09pm

feeluupp

This won't sell at all... I bet Rodserling will pop up when it is released and cry about the sales figures... But honestly, this won't surpass more than 70,000 copies in the U.S.

Reply #239 posted 06/07/18 2:10pm

bluefish

Initially after hearing the news of this release, I was a bit bummed. Then I had a friend send me the Intimate Moments bootleg to compare sound quality, and I was blown away! Comparing the 2 versions of "Mary" was like listening through a wall on the bootleg, then going around the wall and hearing the new official version. Don't get me wrong, it's still not pristine; there is a bit of hiss and warbling. But for a 35-year old cassette, it's about as clear as you can get. Certainly MILES better than the bootleg!

Then I thought, I adore listening to Prince on piano, and One Nite Alone... is one of my favorite discs. How is this much different? Not much.

As far as the length goes, yeah, 35 minutes is kinda short, and a few songs are medley snippets. But so what? This is an old-school style release, and LPs usually top out at 45 minutes, anyway. shrug Maybe I'm just too easy to please, but I'm happy I pre-ordered the CD. biggrin

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Reply #240 posted 06/07/18 2:18pm

djThunderfunk

I will agree with those that have said that this material is waaaaay more interesting than One Nite Alone. Because of the awesomeness of this set, the 82 piano rehearsal, and all the piano medleys from the live concerts, I was disappointed with ONA and still don't like it to this day. If I had to rank all of his albums, I would put ONA on the bottom, unless Kamasutra was on the list, then ONA would be second from the bottom. Just sayin'...

I've always loved this rehearsal though, and it will be nice to get it in the best quality possible, even if it is a bizarre and arguably poor choice for a release. Bring it on. cool

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #241 posted 06/07/18 2:21pm

djThunderfunk

luvsexy4all said:

so does the oiginal bootleggers tape sound BETTER than WB???


Only the one(s) that have the source tape, or a close generation to it, know the answer to that. The original bootlegs sounded horrible (while the material was so good I listened to it anyway), recent (last decade or so) "rehash" releases have sounded much better and provided a much more enjoyable listening experience. The single released today sounds much better even than those.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #242 posted 06/07/18 2:24pm

djThunderfunk

CrozzaUK said:

luvsexy4all said:

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Maybe. Maybe there was a will. And it stated that it would be known that there was no will.

but really there was a 100 year plan.

of new prince releasees.

All which toiled with the emotions and hopes of his fans. just as he had for years.

that would defintely be a very prince thing to do.


falloff lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #243 posted 06/07/18 2:25pm

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:

I will agree with those that have said that this material is waaaaay more interesting than One Nite Alone. Because of the awesomeness of this set, the 82 piano rehearsal, and all the piano medleys from the live concerts, I was disappointed with ONA and still don't like it to this day. If I had to rank all of his albums, I would put ONA on the bottom, unless Kamasutra was on the list, then ONA would be second from the bottom. Just sayin'...

I've always loved this rehearsal though, and it will be nice to get it in the best quality possible, even if it is a bizarre and arguably poor choice for a release. Bring it on. cool


Think of it like this: it can only get better. wink
[Edited 6/7/18 14:27pm]
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #244 posted 06/07/18 2:25pm

databank

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.



Same here.

.

I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.

.


Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.

.

Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.

.

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).

.

My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #245 posted 06/07/18 2:28pm

djThunderfunk

steakfinger said:

Also, the sound quality bites. There are muddy parts here and there from about the middle of that Mary song that sound like it was sourced from an old cassette tape.


It probably was. At best it's from a 2-track reel. It's unlikely this exists as a multi-track.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #246 posted 06/07/18 2:29pm

nelcp777

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.



Same here.

.

I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.

.


Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.

.

Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.

.

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).

.

My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.

Very well said.

Reply #247 posted 06/07/18 2:30pm

djThunderfunk

rogifan said:

ThirdStrike said:

So, if your way you would have excluded those two songs off that set?!?!? That's insane! Those are the two best cuts...by far! Wait, I do VERY much love "Love & Sex" though too...

Yes. What does WCF have to do with Purple Rain anyway? Besides y’all got the boots so what do you care. wink


Boots of Wonderful Ass? Yes. We Can Fuck? No. Purple Rain Deluxe was the first time most of us had that one.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #248 posted 06/07/18 2:34pm

dustoff

djThunderfunk said:


I've always loved this rehearsal though, and it will be nice to get it in the best quality possible, even if it is a bizarre and arguably poor choice for a release. Bring it on. cool


djThunderfunk said:

It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.


Just admit it, dj, you like it... isn't that enough? biggrin

Why should the first posthumous release be something that will sell a million copies, so long as WB knows what they're getting into (which I suspect they do), in this case an interesting, quality performance of largely unheard material? I don't think they'll cancel whatever eventual plans they have for '1999 Deluxe" just because the whole world didn't buy this odd little release...

Reply #249 posted 06/07/18 2:40pm

radicalrojo

I’m feeling incrediblely grateful for this release. It’s no coincidence that my favorite posthumous releases have been “Father’s Song”, “Electric Intercourse”, and now this. Prince has some awesome control over the piano. I’m looking forward to hearing the rest of it.


That being said, $40 dollars is a lot for a deluxe package of a small LP like this. Are the deluxe editions of 1999 and Sign O’ the Times gonna be $75?
Reply #250 posted 06/07/18 2:43pm

Genesia

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.




clapping

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #251 posted 06/07/18 2:44pm

Crump

I can see both sides of this

After all the hype from the Spotify guy I had myself convinced he had found an unreleased mastered 1983 Prince record with stone cold killers like Purple Music, Irresistible Bitch etc so a bit underwhelmed.

This release and PR deluxe does bode well for the future though as it shows they are willing to release his music in whatever form they find it. My main concern was always them trying to modernise or "fix" the demos so this makes me positive about future reissues.

We have heard nothing of the unreleased Revolution, Vanity and Time albums P was touting in that Rolling Stone interview so either he was trolling or there is some master plan at work.

[Snip no no no! - luv4u]


Reply #252 posted 06/07/18 2:51pm

djThunderfunk

databank said:

Same here.

.

I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.

.


Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.

.

Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.

.

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).

.

My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.


Perfectly said! I knew there was a reason I liked you. biggrin

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #253 posted 06/07/18 2:53pm

djThunderfunk

dustoff said:

djThunderfunk said:


I've always loved this rehearsal though, and it will be nice to get it in the best quality possible, even if it is a bizarre and arguably poor choice for a release. Bring it on. cool


djThunderfunk said:

It's great material and I have a collection to maintain. That won't stop me from sharing my opinions regarding what a poor choice this is though.


Just admit it, dj, you like it... isn't that enough? biggrin

Why should the first posthumous release be something that will sell a million copies, so long as WB knows what they're getting into (which I suspect they do), in this case an interesting, quality performance of largely unheard material? I don't think they'll cancel whatever eventual plans they have for '1999 Deluxe" just because the whole world didn't buy this odd little release...


Of course I like it. Is it "enough"? Considering some of the many better choices they could make? That's debatable...

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #254 posted 06/07/18 2:55pm

Romeoblu

I haven't heard the boot in years, nit even sure i still have it.

Does Mary don't you weep sound dramatically better than the boot version?

My initial massive disappointment has waned a little after hearing it but still can't say this release excites me that much.
Reply #255 posted 06/07/18 2:57pm

williamb610

I'm not exactly thrilled by this release either, but I still bought the $40 version($50+ dollars with tax and shipping).

I never had a copy of Cold Coffee & Cocaine. So, I'll see how that one sounds.

Here's hoping for even more unreleased stuff, early next year. There's a shitload of stuff in the vaults, but they're being slowasses.

I really wish that they would release stuff every month, but that's hoping for a bit too much. I guess.

Reply #256 posted 06/07/18 2:58pm

djThunderfunk

Romeoblu said:

Does Mary don't you weep sound dramatically better than the boot version?


Yes. music

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #257 posted 06/07/18 2:59pm

sulls

djThunderfunk said:

Romeoblu said:

Does Mary don't you weep sound dramatically better than the boot version?


Yes. music

DOUBLE YES! music music

"I like to watch."
Reply #258 posted 06/07/18 3:00pm

sulls

I've got mine preordered!!!

"I like to watch."
Reply #259 posted 06/07/18 3:04pm

dustoff

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:


Just admit it, dj, you like it... isn't that enough? biggrin

Why should the first posthumous release be something that will sell a million copies, so long as WB knows what they're getting into (which I suspect they do), in this case an interesting, quality performance of largely unheard material? I don't think they'll cancel whatever eventual plans they have for '1999 Deluxe" just because the whole world didn't buy this odd little release...


Of course I like it. Is it "enough"? Considering some of the many better choices they could make? That's debatable...


Fair enough. And I agree with most (if not all) of what you and Databank have said.

I guess I was just expecting much worse. (More live versions of "I Would Die 4 U," alternate versions of "Dance Electric," etc.) Hell, I'd take this release even over a pristine version of "Cosmic Day" and many of the other officially-unreleased songs that collectors have had access to for many years.

This release just bodes pretty well, in my opinion, for future releases that aren't necessarily geared towards what the fans want or expect... I hope for more of these smaller, "off-hand" examples of Prince's genius, and would rather have broader access to them than much of the bootlegged material that's out there.

Reply #260 posted 06/07/18 3:12pm

grantevans

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.



Same here.

.

I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.

.


Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.

.

Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.

.

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).

.

My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.

yeahthat

This release established the artistic side of Prince. It is good positioning of him as an artist. Most people do not even know that Prince ever did recordings such as these. They seem him as a another 1980s singing dancing front man for other peoples music and production (like Michael Jackson) rather than an artist who did it all.

There is time for collections of unreleased songs. But these are more likely to be criticized as songs that were not 'good enough' for released albums.

Reply #261 posted 06/07/18 3:16pm

luvsexy4all

so essentially we wont be getting anything we havent heard before....will they edit the snorting sounds???

Reply #262 posted 06/07/18 3:17pm

PurpleYoda3121

I relistened to the boot today and I have to say, if there is a similar increase in quality for the rest of the tracks as there was for Mary Don't You Weep, it'll be like an entirely new album. I hear so much more in the officialy released Mary Don't You Weep. The sound quality on the rehearsal in Purple Rush 2 was just trash lol

U fall in love 2 fast and hate 2 soon
And take 4 granted the feeling’s mutual
Reply #263 posted 06/07/18 3:23pm

grantevans

luvsexy4all said:

so essentially we wont be getting anything we havent heard before....will they edit the snorting sounds???

the sniffing is still on Mary Don't You Weep....not a bad thing, to my mind

Reply #264 posted 06/07/18 3:27pm

eyewishuheaven

Just replying to be subscribed.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #265 posted 06/07/18 3:30pm

Marrk

UK Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 7 in CDs & Vinyl (See Top 100 in CDs & Vinyl) #2 in CDs & Vinyl >

biggrin

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #266 posted 06/07/18 3:32pm

OperatingThetan

luvsexy4all said:

so essentially we wont be getting anything we havent heard before....will they edit the snorting sounds???



I hope not. I appreciate the raw, unfiltered feel. It's very intimate and immediate.
Reply #267 posted 06/07/18 3:42pm

bluefish

PurpleYoda3121 said:

I relistened to the boot today and I have to say, if there is a similar increase in quality for the rest of the tracks as there was for Mary Don't You Weep, it'll be like an entirely new album. I hear so much more in the officialy released Mary Don't You Weep. The sound quality on the rehearsal in Purple Rush 2 was just trash lol


YES! nod nod nod

‎PRINCE: 1958 - infinity
Reply #268 posted 06/07/18 4:35pm

kbarso

This was released on bootleg more than 20 yeas ago. It is only 35 minutes. and $15.99 on CD. The reason that newer material is not being released is yhat Tital owns the newer material. This is a warner Bros. release. Why did no new album come out to day to celreate waht woul have been Prince's 60th birthday?

Reply #269 posted 06/07/18 4:37pm

SquirrelMeat

Even the bootleggers stretched to extra tracks and a jewel case. And that says what? doh!

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Reply #270 posted 06/07/18 4:49pm

IstenSzek

SquirrelMeat said:

Even the bootleggers stretched to extra tracks and a jewel case. And that says what? doh!


oh well, at least we got a couple of new piano rehearsals just a few weeks ago smile


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #271 posted 06/07/18 5:03pm

SuperFurryAnimal

Initially I didn't like the idea of the release. Something already heard then after listening to the track I put it on repeat. Better quality. Now I'm looking forward to this release and I do like idea that they are not just releasing studio albums and we will get piano rehearsals and more oddities that the hardcores love. Will preorder vinyl and CD. The upgrade in quality got me.
God has a plan. Trust the plan.
Reply #272 posted 06/07/18 5:16pm

Dilan

this is f***** sh** just give us hard to get 1981

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
Reply #273 posted 06/07/18 7:04pm

tyroniousdex

In my most humble opinion this would be much more interesting and desirable as the 3rd or 4th disc of a 1999 expanded edition. I know nothing about monetizing an estate,nor, do I know anything about the kind of money that is generated by legacy artists in the current climate but I can't help feeling that they are squandering a great opportunity with a very small window. I hoped and prayed that P.R. deluxe would serve as a prototype for the first 10 albums. Again, in my most humble opinion, if it's money that they are after, it's located in the music that has chart relevance and special memories associated with them. I focus on the first 10 because they sound terrible, it's the holy grail (most prolific)and it's when he ruled the music world. I wish that they would just start aggressively releasing boxsets and be done with it. As far as releasing stuff he was working on before he died, I have Deliverance,nothing to write home about. I haven't posted in quite sometime because it's not the same with him being gone and the floodgates for the bootlegs was was open for awhile. I just felt compelled to comment because I am extremely disappointed. My 2 cents
In regards to Prince I'm a fan, In regards to music I'm a fanatic!!
Reply #274 posted 06/07/18 7:06pm

EddieC

djThunderfunk said:

Considering that NC2U 7'' Single was $10, $40 for the CD, LP & Photobook is a bargain. lol lol

Yep--I wish I didn't want the photobook. I almost certainly will never use the vinyl, so if the book came with the CD, I'd have a cheaper time of it. I still might just get the CD.

Reply #275 posted 06/07/18 7:10pm

tyroniousdex

I apologize for the double post. I'm having a issues with the typing and posting. Extremely slow
In regards to Prince I'm a fan, In regards to music I'm a fanatic!!
Reply #276 posted 06/07/18 7:10pm

KingSausage

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.






Excellent post. This is exactly how I feel about this release. BINGO.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #277 posted 06/07/18 7:12pm

KingSausage

Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here. 




No.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #278 posted 06/07/18 7:13pm

pricetag

This will be great to have. For me, it was a seminal boot. Listened to it for hours when I was just getting into Prince in the late 80's. It suggested the breadth of the man's talent. There was the released stuff and then there was this--a whole other world of music. Funny how, 30 years later, we may (or may not) finally be on the cusp of venturing into that other world.

Reply #279 posted 06/07/18 7:14pm

EddieC

steakfinger said:

Also, the sound quality bites. There are muddy parts here and there from about the middle of that Mary song that sound like it was sourced from an old cassette tape.

My understanding is that it basically was.

Reply #280 posted 06/07/18 7:16pm

Moonbeam

feeluupp said:

This won't sell at all... I bet Rodserling will pop up when it is released and cry about the sales figures... But honestly, this won't surpass more than 70,000 copies in the U.S.

Honestly, I don't know if it will top 20,000. However, I'm happy we're getting this.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #281 posted 06/07/18 7:18pm

LovePaisley

EddieC said:

 



steakfinger said:


Also, the sound quality bites. There are muddy parts here and there from about the middle of that Mary song that sound like it was sourced from an old cassette tape.

My understanding is that it basically was.



One article I read... Variety, I think... said Prince had a terrible cold when he recorded that song. That's why it sounds like he's saying boan instead of moan.
And the MUSIC continues...forever...
Reply #282 posted 06/07/18 7:45pm

Strive

Seems like tracks 1-7 are going to be a single track on the CD version.



Recorded in 1983 at Prince's Kiowa Trail home studio in Chanhassen, MN & engineered by Don Batts, Piano & A Microphone 1983 is a nine track, 35-minute album features a previously unreleased home studio cassette recording of Prince at his piano. The private rehearsal provides a rare, intimate glimpse into Prince s creative process as he worked through songs which include 17 Days and Purple Rain (neither of which would be released until 1984), a cover of Joni Mitchell's A Case Of You, Strange Relationship (not released until 1987 on his critically acclaimed Sign O' The Times album), and International Lover. The album also includes a rare recording of the 19th Century spiritual Mary Don't You Weep, featured during the end credits of Spike Lee's BlacKkKlansman. For fans of Prince s spontaneous live medleys, tracks 1-7 of the album are presented in that same format as they were originally recorded.

1. Medley: 17 Days / Purple Rain / A Case Of You / Mary Don't You Weep / Strange Relationship / International Lover / Wednesday
2. Cold Coffee & Cocaine (Piano & A Microphone 1983 Version)
3. Why The Butterflies (Piano & A Microphone 1983 Version)

[Edited 6/7/18 19:50pm]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #283 posted 06/07/18 7:49pm

udo

jasminejoey said:

luv4u said:

Even though it's a reboot of a boot we'll all get it to add to our collection, right?

Certainly not. The project feels like an insult to the fans.

.

I do agree!

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #284 posted 06/07/18 7:49pm

vainandy

Well hell's fire, ain't this a bitch? What in the hell happened to the album they announced in April when they released his version of "Nothing Compares 2 U" which I'm assuming was going to be the lead single to an upcoming album to be released on September 28? Is this September 21 release going to be an additional release? I hope so because I sure as hell hope it's not going to replace the September 28 release which led me to believe that the "Nothing Compares 2 U" was an indication of what the rest of the album might be like.

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I realize that in the assbackwards era we live in today, that they would release a slow jam as a lead single (something they would never do back in the day). Considering that they did that with "Electric Intercourse" prior to "Purple Rain Deluxe", I assumed that's what they were doing with the supposed September 28 release. And then when "Purple Rain Deluxe" came out, it was a badass, kickass album all the way through with jams and ass shakers for days. The first Prince album I truly enjoyed thoroughly all the way through since the 1980s (naturally I loved it because it came from the 1980s and had his signature sound all over it which is exactly what I've wanted for ages).

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But a bunch of stripped down piano and microphone rehearsals of mostly previously released songs? Hell, that's not an album, that's simply remixes.....Liberace style remixes at that. Nevermind whether it's been bootlegged for years, that's not my problem with it. My problem is stripped down music is usually BORING. "Oh, it lets the listener hear how creative, talented, and diverse Prince really was."...... Well duh, we all know that already so there's no need to prove it, definitely not with something stripped down and boring.

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This is Prince here, not Liberace. And from 1983 too, an era when Prince was at his absolute BADDEST too. Hell, show how BADASS he was back then. That's what I want. Where's that damn follow-up album to "1999" that Prince bragged about in Rolling Stone magazine that he could have easily released it instead of "Around The World In A Day" and it would have probably been a big hit but he wanted to do something totally different. Go and tear that damn vault up until you find that album and release it. Bring on the badass, kickass ass shaking funk/rock type of tracks that Prince was well known for. That's what I want.

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What pisses me off the most, is if this isn't simply an additional release, then we'll probably have to wait another year for something else and then possibly get screwed over again. I expect some piano and microphone stuff from Tidal so I don't have my hopes up at all concerning that release but this is Warner Brothers here, the label that has the GOOD Prince stuff. And knowing what I know now, considering that Prince was in pain at the end, I see why he resorted to a stripped down piano and microphone tour because he couldn't shake it like he used to. Well hell, I'm 50 now and I can't shake it like I used to either. But I'm not getting any younger either. Give me the stuff I can shake it to while I'm still able to shake it at all.

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Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #285 posted 06/07/18 7:50pm

poppys

LovePaisley said:

EddieC said:

My understanding is that it basically was.


One article I read... Variety, I think... said Prince had a terrible cold when he recorded that song. That's why it sounds like he's saying boan instead of moan.


That's interesting. Listening to it today I thought to myself, he sounds like he's sick. I kind of like it, he reaches for some things, there's a lower register growl. His piano playing accents those moments, he strikes differently. Martha personalized through her omelettes is - wow.


Reply #286 posted 06/07/18 8:24pm

URTHE1

cool prince excited clapping

MISSING YOU FOREVER PRINCE!!!

Reply #287 posted 06/07/18 8:58pm

FunkyStrange

seriously what are these idiots doing ?

the first official album release since his death and it is some crappy rehearsal many of us have had for over 2 decades ?

bloody hell.. what morons have they got over there making these decisions?

Reply #288 posted 06/07/18 9:42pm

Curt

...with friends like these you don't need enemies.

Reply #289 posted 06/07/18 9:44pm

Asenath

BartVanHemelen said:

IstenSzek said:


what's even more curious is the choice for lead single. that's the song they're going with? neutral

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Because this:

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The live version of “Mary Don’t You Weep" streaming below will feature in Spike Lee’s BlacKkKlansman.

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Interesting

Reply #290 posted 06/07/18 9:46pm

Asenath

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

THANK U!!!!!!!!!!

Reply #291 posted 06/07/18 11:14pm

BartVanHemelen

databank said:

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work

.

I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #292 posted 06/07/18 11:15pm

JorisE73

I for one am glad they release this because this will be an upgrade to the bootleg for most of us who don't have acces to what 'elite' traders have.

This could be a step in the right direction to beat the bootleggers.

Maybe this also means that Tidal will release Piano & A Microphone 2016?

I'm only familiar with Intimate Moments Revisited and on that one 17 Days fades in, maybe this one will be complete.
I actually don't mind the tape hiss if that will preserve all the sounds you hear.

Reply #293 posted 06/07/18 11:24pm

JorisE73

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work

.

I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.


Yes me too. I have a 5 year old daughter who doesn't care about the lyrics, granted she's Dutch and she probably doesn't understand most of the English words, but she also listens to Doe Maar who have some dubious lyrics (Je loopt je lul achterna, Heroine, Nederwiet) it's not like kids will become serial killers or prostitutes because of some song lyrics. I turned out well even tho I listened to Prince at a young age and Hip Hop which was way more agressive lyrically in the late 80's and early 90's when I was a teen.

Reply #294 posted 06/07/18 11:36pm

Vannormal

All these bitchin' opinions.

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JUST BE HAPPY you old bunch of beer-belly +40years old, grey-pubics dyin' purple in yo minds, batman wearin' boxers, stuck 'n the 80's & losing precious purple time on the NET, 'n dustin' off yo Princely collection U barely listen 2, & yo wife and offspring can't touch, tryin' still to unfruitfully convince everyone to turn purple & wear oversized symbol-tees,...

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(just like me in most cases...)

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The only thing I'm concerned about is this :

(imagine) there is one-thousand hours of stuff in there,

with 35minutes a year,

I need to live a mere 1714 years and 3 months longer.

Or, even 60 min release a year,

still I have to get 857 years and 2 months old.

But then again, we already HAVE so much... (which never seems enough).

-

Peace to those who feel satisfied (like me).

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #295 posted 06/07/18 11:41pm

love2thenines2003

I'm here...where are u?

This release is a joke!

razz lol
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Reply #296 posted 06/07/18 11:53pm

udo

love2thenines2003 said:

This release is a joke!

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Sure, but how to properly let that be known to the people that do this release?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #297 posted 06/07/18 11:54pm

udo

udo said:

Sure, but how to properly let that be known to the people that do this release?

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Perhaps write a letter to the court that does the Estate's business?

It does not have to be relevant for the case(s) but it will be admitted to the public record and fairly widely read.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #298 posted 06/07/18 11:59pm

thisisreece

BartVanHemelen said:

 



databank said:


 


 


As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work


 



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I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.



This. People boast about listening to Prince's music in secret back in the day and having to hide the albums from their parents or whatever (and that was certainly a lot of the appeal), yet now that they're older they want to rub out all of his hard edges. It reminds me of a review I read of 20Ten where the critic said the album goes to show how much Prince has stripped the freakiness from his persona. It's quite sad really.
Hundalasiliah!
Reply #299 posted 06/08/18 12:11am

Vannormal

JorisE73 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.


Yes me too. I have a 5 year old daughter who doesn't care about the lyrics, granted she's Dutch and she probably doesn't understand most of the English words, but she also listens to Doe Maar who have some dubious lyrics (Je loopt je lul achterna, Heroine, Nederwiet) it's not like kids will become serial killers or prostitutes because of some song lyrics. I turned out well even tho I listened to Prince at a young age and Hip Hop which was way more agressive lyrically in the late 80's and early 90's when I was a teen.

I absolutely agree on this.

Beware yourself and others from turning into some old prude purple prune(s).

Parental Advisory?... let me tell you something dearest 'parents':

Stop protecting your kids from dissapointments in life.

They need to realise and know that reality is more then just Disney.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #300 posted 06/08/18 12:16am

Sydney

Completely underwhelmed. I think this rehearsal has been out there for 20 + yrs in various quality and I still haven't listen to it! smile Not that at any level do I think it wont be superb cause Prince in the 80's was faultless but there is just so much more in that era that is more compelling. Roadhouse, Prince's Family orginals even the brilliant 83 & 84 Birthday shows with select outtakes from the period. I was counting down to September but maybe now it's only a slow Detroit crawl.

Reply #301 posted 06/08/18 12:28am

udo

Vannormal said:

et me tell you something dearest 'parents':

Stop protecting your kids from dissapointments in life.

They need to realise and know that reality is more then just Disney.

.

The training Dealing with Disappointments has been cancelled. lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #302 posted 06/08/18 12:33am

BlueShakooo

PurpleYoda3121 said:

I relistened to the boot today and I have to say, if there is a similar increase in quality for the rest of the tracks as there was for Mary Don't You Weep, it'll be like an entirely new album. I hear so much more in the officialy released Mary Don't You Weep. The sound quality on the rehearsal in Purple Rush 2 was just trash lol

I AGREE!!

But still: One 35-Minutes-release in a year a not enough!

And I don't care about silly picture booklets.

I want sound!

I want surprises!!

I love the taste of unpredictable leaks.
Reply #303 posted 06/08/18 12:41am

Phishanga

KingSausage said:

Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here.

No.

You are right.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
Reply #304 posted 06/08/18 12:43am

amokeru

"Why The Butterflies / Mama" is one of the most haunting songs, IMHO.

Reply #305 posted 06/08/18 1:04am

BlueShakooo

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work

I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.

Yes!

biggrin

I love the taste of unpredictable leaks.
Reply #306 posted 06/08/18 1:11am

BlueShakooo

CrozzaUK said:

luvsexy4all said:

maybe Prince is f%$king with us.....

Maybe. Maybe there was a will.

And it stated that it would be known that there was no will.

but really there was a 100 year plan.

of new prince releasees.

All which toiled with the emotions and hopes of his fans. just as he had for years.

that would defintely be a very prince thing to do.

biggrin biggrin biggrin

I love the taste of unpredictable leaks.
Reply #307 posted 06/08/18 1:30am

brokenhearted1972

Asenath said:

DarkKnight1 said:

There isnt a single thing that could be released that would please some of you MFers. Purple Rain 2, 1999 remastered with 20 unreleased tracks, etc... Some on here would still bitch. This is a fantastic release. For those of you looking for some kind of radio play resurrection....it is never going to happen. Support this release and hope we are lucky enough to get more.

THANK U!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #308 posted 06/08/18 1:33am

brokenhearted1972

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.



Same here.

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I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.

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Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.

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Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release.

.

As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).

.

My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time.

I'm probably in the minority here of those who've never heard it before. I'm excited for this release because it's "new" to me. Preordered the LP/CD just a little while ago.

Reply #309 posted 06/08/18 2:08am

master

BlueShakooo said:

PurpleYoda3121 said:

I relistened to the boot today and I have to say, if there is a similar increase in quality for the rest of the tracks as there was for Mary Don't You Weep, it'll be like an entirely new album. I hear so much more in the officialy released Mary Don't You Weep. The sound quality on the rehearsal in Purple Rush 2 was just trash lol

I AGREE!!

But still: One 35-Minutes-release in a year a not enough!

And I don't care about silly picture booklets.

I want sound!

I want surprises!!

You got that. right. you are getting dripfeed as little as possible. if they do release this stuff it should be half a cd on a 4cd set. Should've been a bonus with first avenue dvd or something like that.

Warners statementsare now laughable and always open to misinterpretation. I knew after last few releases how deceptive their statements are. Warners need to pack in now and give music over to someone else who can do a proper job. .

Regarding this release. i prefer a full band sound or studio recordings. Every advert on t.v they ruin classic 80s songs by turning them into little piano numbers. i blame x factor ,Ed sheeran etc, they like to do there versions were they strip all the fun out of songs and turn them into solo piano or accoustic guitar songs and marvel at how good they sound, stripped of all the fun. I find it sucks myself and sounds way inferior.( it gets boring and monotonous after a while).

Those crowing that they want these releases were they get one piece /like an historical document and add nothing else to cd are just playing into warners hands. They will love you .They want to give you little bits at a time. Give me the compilation of greatest unreleased prince songs anyday over this

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Reply #310 posted 06/08/18 3:00am

Vannormal

udo said:

 



Vannormal said:


et me tell you something dearest 'parents':

Stop protecting your kids from dissapointments in life.


They need to realise and know that reality is more then just Disney.


 



.


The training Dealing with Disappointments has been cancelled. lol


Excellent ! biggrin
"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #311 posted 06/08/18 3:20am

djdaffy1227

Ordered the CD/Album bundle. I've had the "Eavesdropping in intimate moments" for decades but I'm still happy to get this. Would I rather get some unknown gems? You bet! I've always liked studio outtakes better than rehearsals and live shows but I'll take what they give me! It's Prince! I'm happy just to have it!

Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
Reply #312 posted 06/08/18 3:27am

Robbajobba

I can think of a few friends who'd consider themselves pretty serious Prince fans - they'd go to a couple of concerts on every tour, and to aftershows; they could lipsync entire albums - but they lost track of all the releases in the 90s/00s, they've never bought a boot and they'll definitely never have heard this before.

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They will love this release - and if they don't buy it, someone will gift it to them. Classic tracks and some new ones, reinterpreted by the man himself at his peak. Can totally see the market for this - smart release by the Estate.

Reply #313 posted 06/08/18 4:16am

jaypotton

BartVanHemelen said:

 



databank said:


 


 


As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work


 



.


I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.



For sure there are some people who have changed or evolved into prudes once they had their own kids but that is not the general message I am getting from a lot of those kind of posts in here...

I think there are a lot of people who want to respect where Prince was at by the time he died including his thinking on profanity and sexualised lyrics. The evidence was there that Prince was (not always consistently) censoring himself and his old work (such as extraloveable and the missing "rape lyric"). So in those people's minds the estate etc releasing things like We Can Fuck is disrespecting Prince as, they argue, he would not have released that (unchanged) if he were alive.

Personally while I can understand that POV it was never something I was happy with (Prince censoring himself) and I always wanted and hoped we would get the tracks from the vault unaltered and as intended at the time (only changes acceptable to me are sound quality type issues to resolve). For me they are snapshots of Prince as an artist at a moment in time and should be released as intended at that time...in that way (assuming we ever get to hear all of it) it is possible to track his evolution as an artist not only through the original releases but also the vault releases.

I never had this on boot so this will be new and fresh to me.

It does seem odd after the expectation and speculation we might/should get Piano and a Microphone 2016 to get this 83 release. If the 2016 show did get released it kind of creates a bookend to his career (though really that means we needed something from 77/78) so yeah, an odd choice but one I will buy even though I suspect it won't get played that much after the initial few weeks.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #314 posted 06/08/18 5:46am

MIRvmn

brokenhearted1972 said:

 



databank said:


 



djThunderfunk said:


As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.





Same here.


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I don't mind them releasing previously bootlegged material: it has to be released sooner or later and it's even better when there's an improvement in sound quality, and it will obviously be the case here.


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Putting aside that a small minority of hadcore fans have had this recording for years, I find such a release respectful of Prince's legacy: this is an intimate recording, something that's pretty revealing of his creative process, those who don't want to pay for it because they had the bootleg can stream it or download it for free, and those who have never heard it are likely to enjoy it greatly. I actually find this choice of a release more respecftful of Prince's musicality and legacy than if they'd tried to compile a sort of "greatest unreleased hits" album, or to release something as commercial as can be. Releasing this establishes that Prince should be seen as a serious, creative and original musician, as opposed to a mere one-man hit factory. It promotes the Prince of HCUDCMA and ONA, as opposed to the Prince of Kiss and Cream, and I'm down with it.


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Clearly, this is not a release that is going to change our perception of Prince's music, it might not be a release hardcore fans will listen over and over for weeks and weeks because we're already familiar with it, but given the praise this bootleg has received over the years, given how it's been a fans favorite for 30 years despite its poor sound quality, I fail to see why it wouldn't deserve a proper release. 


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As for those controversies regarding titles containing the words Ass, Fuck or Cocaine, I find them rather disturbing from a community of fans who embraced a musician who composed Head, Sister, Gett Off, The Black Album and Darling Nikki, who admired those controversial aspects of his work and spent years in dread that he'd censor his own lyrics in future remasters. Have we now become so old that we wish the Fucker to be beeped on Sexy MF, and that we are uncomfortable with Prince being politically incorrect? Weren't we freaks and hippies, all enamored with how daring Prince was? Didn't we all find it deliciously cool when we were young and he'd appear on a major MTV program with his (apparently, we now know it was a trick) bare bottom? Regardless of his change of mind regarding overtly sexual lyrics, what he recorded at an earlier stage should be seen as what it is: his work at an earlier stage, and releasing it does not nullify the man he'd become at a later stage of his life, or the convictions he then held. Similarly, the recreational use of cocaine has nothing to do with the medical use of painkillers, and just because some people are too ignorant to make the difference doesn't mean we should bend to their ignorance and be uncomfortable with a song talking about cocaine (particularly since Prince wasn't using cocaine anyway, even in 1983).


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My only problem with posthumous releases so far have been related to the lack of transparancy regarding sources, tinkering with the material, not being careful with quality control and the lack of communication with the fans' community. There have been problems of one sort of another with each and every posthumous release so far, and as someone who cherishes Prince's legacy, I'm upset about it and the reason I'm being vocal about it is because I hope those things can change over time



I'm probably in the minority here of those who've never heard it before. I'm excited for this release because it's "new" to me. Preordered the LP/CD just a little while ago.


I have some bootlegs but not this one so it be new to me as well.
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #315 posted 06/08/18 6:12am

OperatingThetan

kbarso said:

This was released on bootleg more than 20 yeas ago. It is only 35 minutes. and $15.99 on CD. The reason that newer material is not being released is yhat Tital owns the newer material. This is a warner Bros. release. Why did no new album come out to day to celreate waht woul have been Prince's 60th birthday?



Tidal doesn't 'own' the newer material. They are owed one album of post- Warners material. Prince was delivering exclusive material to Tidal but he never signed his music over to them in terms of ownership.

To my awareness the Estate are free to use the post-Warners music as they will, particularly as the previous Universal deal for it is now null and void.
Reply #316 posted 06/08/18 6:49am

databank

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.

For sure there are some people who have changed or evolved into prudes once they had their own kids but that is not the general message I am getting from a lot of those kind of posts in here... I think there are a lot of people who want to respect where Prince was at by the time he died including his thinking on profanity and sexualised lyrics. The evidence was there that Prince was (not always consistently) censoring himself and his old work (such as extraloveable and the missing "rape lyric"). So in those people's minds the estate etc releasing things like We Can Fuck is disrespecting Prince as, they argue, he would not have released that (unchanged) if he were alive. Personally while I can understand that POV it was never something I was happy with (Prince censoring himself) and I always wanted and hoped we would get the tracks from the vault unaltered and as intended at the time (only changes acceptable to me are sound quality type issues to resolve). For me they are snapshots of Prince as an artist at a moment in time and should be released as intended at that time...in that way (assuming we ever get to hear all of it) it is possible to track his evolution as an artist not only through the original releases but also the vault releases. I never had this on boot so this will be new and fresh to me. It does seem odd after the expectation and speculation we might/should get Piano and a Microphone 2016 to get this 83 release. If the 2016 show did get released it kind of creates a bookend to his career (though really that means we needed something from 77/78) so yeah, an odd choice but one I will buy even though I suspect it won't get played that much after the initial few weeks.

Prince was not censoring himself with Extraloveable. He totally reworked the song, the remake had a totally different mood than the original: even putting aside Prince's religious beliefs and the fact that in the social context on 2011 he would have been caught in a shitstorm with lyrics like this (while he might have gotten away with it in 1983), keeping that line in the new version would have been plain out of place from a pure artistic standpoint. The first version was all rage and frustration, the new one is about playful flirt. The original is all tension, the new one is pretty relaxed. Prince also deleted a verse in Large Room when he rerecorded in 2009, and he would do that quite often while reworking songs, removing some and adding some, it was not necessarily a matter of censoring himself.

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Regarding "respecting where Prince was at by the time he died", it's pretty simple: he was about to release a PR remaster with uncensored lyrics on Nikki and Erotic City. Where Prince was was that he was past his integrist/fanatic JW period from the previous decade or so, and allowing his past self to be his past self while his present self had moved on. As long as "offensive" songs from 1983 are not labeled as being from 2013, and the audience is perfectly aware of when the material was recorded, I fail to see how releasing anything could be disrespectful.

In one of his last interviews, Prince said that a lot of what was in the vault probably wouldn't be released in his lifetime, but that other poeple will release it after he goes. He was aware of that.

There could be a case if we realise that a song has been purposedly deleted because the lyrics were too offensive, since it apparently happened sometimes, and we have to ask ourselves whether to release surviving copies that were in the hands of collectors.

Yet again, when we die, what we leave behind us doesn't belong to us anymore, it belongs to the living. Personal correspondance and diaries from all great artists have been published after they died. It's how it is.

And yet again, anything Prince did not release in his lifetime was, to some extent, because he didn't want to release it, so then if we're to be respectful maybe we should just burn all those tapes in the vault and be done with it, so that only what Prince chose to release is released. Maybe he would be outraged to see certain songs he deemed so bad he was ashamed of them released. IDK, for all we know maybe he hated the studio version of Electric Intercourse and he would never have released it, while he would have been cool releasing the overdubbed live version. At some point we just have to let go: Prince is gone, so either we release everything or we don't release anything at all.

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Reply #317 posted 06/08/18 7:25am

jaypotton

databank said:

 



jaypotton said:


BartVanHemelen said:

 


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I've always found it ridiculous that the same people who got into Prince as young teens in part via songs like "Erotic City" grew up to be prudes who praised Prince for censoring himself so their kids could enjoy this "safe" music.



For sure there are some people who have changed or evolved into prudes once they had their own kids but that is not the general message I am getting from a lot of those kind of posts in here... I think there are a lot of people who want to respect where Prince was at by the time he died including his thinking on profanity and sexualised lyrics. The evidence was there that Prince was (not always consistently) censoring himself and his old work (such as extraloveable and the missing "rape lyric"). So in those people's minds the estate etc releasing things like We Can Fuck is disrespecting Prince as, they argue, he would not have released that (unchanged) if he were alive. Personally while I can understand that POV it was never something I was happy with (Prince censoring himself) and I always wanted and hoped we would get the tracks from the vault unaltered and as intended at the time (only changes acceptable to me are sound quality type issues to resolve). For me they are snapshots of Prince as an artist at a moment in time and should be released as intended at that time...in that way (assuming we ever get to hear all of it) it is possible to track his evolution as an artist not only through the original releases but also the vault releases. I never had this on boot so this will be new and fresh to me. It does seem odd after the expectation and speculation we might/should get Piano and a Microphone 2016 to get this 83 release. If the 2016 show did get released it kind of creates a bookend to his career (though really that means we needed something from 77/78) so yeah, an odd choice but one I will buy even though I suspect it won't get played that much after the initial few weeks.

Prince was not censoring himself with Extraloveable. He totally reworked the song, the remake had a totally different mood than the original: even putting aside Prince's religious beliefs and the fact that in the social context on 2011 he would have been caught in a shitstorm with lyrics like this (while he might have gotten away with it in 1983), keeping that line in the new version would have been plain out of place from a pure artistic standpoint. The first version was all rage and frustration, the new one is about playful flirt. The original is all tension, the new one is pretty relaxed. Prince also deleted a verse in Large Room when he rerecorded in 2009, and he would do that quite often while reworking songs, removing some and adding some, it was not necessarily a matter of censoring himself.


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Regarding "respecting where Prince was at by the time he died", it's pretty simple: he was about to release a PR remaster with uncensored lyrics on Nikki and Erotic City. Where Prince was was that he was past his integrist/fanatic JW period from the previous decade or so, and allowing his past self to be his past self while his present self had moved on. As long as "offensive" songs from 1983 are not labeled as being from 2013, and the audience is perfectly aware of when the material was recorded, I fail to see how releasing anything could be disrespectful.


In one of his last interviews, Prince said that a lot of what was in the vault probably wouldn't be released in his lifetime, but that other poeple will release it after he goes. He was aware of that.


There could be a case if we realise that a song has been purposedly deleted because the lyrics were too offensive, since it apparently happened sometimes, and we have to ask ourselves whether to release surviving copies that were in the hands of collectors.


Yet again, when we die, what we leave behind us doesn't belong to us anymore, it belongs to the living. Personal correspondance and diaries from all great artists have been published after they died. It's how it is.


And yet again, anything Prince did not release in his lifetime was, to some extent, because he didn't want to release it, so then if we're to be respectful maybe we should just burn all those tapes in the vault and be done with it, so that only what Prince chose to release is released. Maybe he would be outraged to see certain songs he deemed so bad he was ashamed of them released. IDK, for all we know maybe he hated  the studio version of Electric Intercourse and he would never have released it, while he would have been cool releasing the overdubbed live version. At some point we just have to let go: Prince is gone, so either we release everything or we don't release anything at all.



So basically what you are saying is that we are in agreement? I was not saying that was my opinion and thought that was clear. I was saying that some of the folks who are complaining about certain songs being released as recorded with sexualised lyrics or profanity believe Prince would not have done so if alive. In THEIR mind it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter if they might not be as informed as you or perhaps others. They believe this is not what Prince would do, hence their complaints.

Personally I don't agree and it appears nor do you.

I want to music released as it was recorded, a snapshot in time.

With regard to censoring himself. Hmmm not sure I agree with you there. Certainly there was a relaxation towards the end and the odd swear word crept back in as did a self respect for his back catalogue not needing to be changed. But as you mention, when Prince became a full blown JW at the turn of the millennium there was a seismic change in his views for several years. As I said though, he wasn't consistent with this.

Prince would have "fun" by NOT singing certain words live during his more salacious songs. Pulling his funky face at the audience if they carried on singing. It was all very self aware and funny (at first).

Edit: oh and of course extraloveable is a reworked song with a different vibe, I know that! But those same folks I am commenting on would see his exclusion of certain lyrics as a form of self censorship.

[Edited 6/8/18 7:26am]
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'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #318 posted 06/08/18 7:39am

databank

jaypotton said:

databank said:

Prince was not censoring himself with Extraloveable. He totally reworked the song, the remake had a totally different mood than the original: even putting aside Prince's religious beliefs and the fact that in the social context on 2011 he would have been caught in a shitstorm with lyrics like this (while he might have gotten away with it in 1983), keeping that line in the new version would have been plain out of place from a pure artistic standpoint. The first version was all rage and frustration, the new one is about playful flirt. The original is all tension, the new one is pretty relaxed. Prince also deleted a verse in Large Room when he rerecorded in 2009, and he would do that quite often while reworking songs, removing some and adding some, it was not necessarily a matter of censoring himself.

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Regarding "respecting where Prince was at by the time he died", it's pretty simple: he was about to release a PR remaster with uncensored lyrics on Nikki and Erotic City. Where Prince was was that he was past his integrist/fanatic JW period from the previous decade or so, and allowing his past self to be his past self while his present self had moved on. As long as "offensive" songs from 1983 are not labeled as being from 2013, and the audience is perfectly aware of when the material was recorded, I fail to see how releasing anything could be disrespectful.

In one of his last interviews, Prince said that a lot of what was in the vault probably wouldn't be released in his lifetime, but that other poeple will release it after he goes. He was aware of that.

There could be a case if we realise that a song has been purposedly deleted because the lyrics were too offensive, since it apparently happened sometimes, and we have to ask ourselves whether to release surviving copies that were in the hands of collectors.

Yet again, when we die, what we leave behind us doesn't belong to us anymore, it belongs to the living. Personal correspondance and diaries from all great artists have been published after they died. It's how it is.

And yet again, anything Prince did not release in his lifetime was, to some extent, because he didn't want to release it, so then if we're to be respectful maybe we should just burn all those tapes in the vault and be done with it, so that only what Prince chose to release is released. Maybe he would be outraged to see certain songs he deemed so bad he was ashamed of them released. IDK, for all we know maybe he hated the studio version of Electric Intercourse and he would never have released it, while he would have been cool releasing the overdubbed live version. At some point we just have to let go: Prince is gone, so either we release everything or we don't release anything at all.

So basically what you are saying is that we are in agreement? I was not saying that was my opinion and thought that was clear. I was saying that some of the folks who are complaining about certain songs being released as recorded with sexualised lyrics or profanity believe Prince would not have done so if alive. In THEIR mind it is disrespectful. It doesn't matter if they might not be as informed as you or perhaps others. They believe this is not what Prince would do, hence their complaints. Personally I don't agree and it appears nor do you. I want to music released as it was recorded, a snapshot in time. With regard to censoring himself. Hmmm not sure I agree with you there. Certainly there was a relaxation towards the end and the odd swear word crept back in as did a self respect for his back catalogue not needing to be changed. But as you mention, when Prince became a full blown JW at the turn of the millennium there was a seismic change in his views for several years. As I said though, he wasn't consistent with this. Prince would have "fun" by NOT singing certain words live during his more salacious songs. Pulling his funky face at the audience if they carried on singing. It was all very self aware and funny (at first). Edit: oh and of course extraloveable is a reworked song with a different vibe, I know that! But those same folks I am commenting on would see his exclusion of certain lyrics as a form of self censorship. [Edited 6/8/18 7:26am] [Edited 6/8/18 7:29am]

You were clear and we are absolutely in agreement nod My argumentation was aimed at those who disagree with us, not you. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough hug

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Prince absolutely censored himself on stage by avoiding certain words and certain songs, he said explicitely that he wanted his shows to be family friendly, and there are certain things he wouldn't have sang anymore in the studio. But regarding past material I think he was cooling down. Morris addressed this in his Peach N Black interview, how Prince asked him to edit past songs for potential reissues and how Morris talked him out of this nonsense.

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Reply #319 posted 06/08/18 7:47am

Dazza

BONUS DISC

Did they forget to put this on the purple rain delux release? Gutted
Green virgin teenager, or filthy rich yuppy. Pussy cat pussy cat, where for out thou puppy
Reply #320 posted 06/08/18 8:00am

jaypotton

@databank ah cool wasn't sure.

Back on topic... While I personally would not have had this release in my top ten wish list, it does achieve a few things that are (possibly) quite positive:

1. It is unaltered (well we know for sure 7 songs are unaltered) meaning we are getting what Prince recorded not somebody else's interpretation.

2. That (possibly) shows that all involved (estate, Warners, Troy etc) are not intending on tinkering and will respect the legacy.

3. That we will see the vault material as a snapshot in time (albeit in as good a sound quality as they can make it).

Personally this is all great for me as that would be my wish. I remain really worried they will be tempted to update or bring in "guest producers" or "guest vocalists" to "finish" songs.

It is such a dreadful shame we no longer have Prince so the best I can hope for is that we get more of his work as he intended (or in its current state in the vault). That way we can continue to share in HIS genius rather than have to suffer anyone else's "artistic vision"
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #321 posted 06/08/18 8:03am

SilverNight

I guess I gotta have this. When Prince was among the living, I routinely voiced my disappointment over new releases. These days, any reminder that he existed will do.

Everybody wants what they don't got.
Reply #322 posted 06/08/18 8:22am

databank

jaypotton said:

@databank ah cool wasn't sure. Back on topic... While I personally would not have had this release in my top ten wish list, it does achieve a few things that are (possibly) quite positive: 1. It is unaltered (well we know for sure 7 songs are unaltered) meaning we are getting what Prince recorded not somebody else's interpretation. 2. That (possibly) shows that all involved (estate, Warners, Troy etc) are not intending on tinkering and will respect the legacy. 3. That we will see the vault material as a snapshot in time (albeit in as good a sound quality as they can make it). Personally this is all great for me as that would be my wish. I remain really worried they will be tempted to update or bring in "guest producers" or "guest vocalists" to "finish" songs. It is such a dreadful shame we no longer have Prince so the best I can hope for is that we get more of his work as he intended (or in its current state in the vault). That way we can continue to share in HIS genius rather than have to suffer anyone else's "artistic vision"

This is reassuring indeed. Tinkering with OD/RG and NC2U really wasn't acceptable.

Hopefully, they won't do it again.

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Reply #323 posted 06/08/18 8:27am

udo

Dazza said:

BONUS DISC Did they forget to put this on the purple rain delux release? Gutted

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Nice theory.

They lied about the PR remaster.

And not just about the number of discs.

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My feeling is that this 1983 release will be what it is due to its simplicity.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #324 posted 06/08/18 9:10am

KingSausage

JorisE73 said:

I for one am glad they release this because this will be an upgrade to the bootleg for most of us who don't have acces to what 'elite' traders have.


This could be a step in the right direction to beat the bootleggers.


Maybe this also means that Tidal will release Piano & A Microphone 2016?


I'm only familiar with Intimate Moments Revisited and on that one 17 Days fades in, maybe this one will be complete.
I actually don't mind the tape hiss if that will preserve all the sounds you hear.




The “elite traders” have stuff that’s way better than this. Also, this boot has been easy to find for decades.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #325 posted 06/08/18 9:13am

KingSausage

Phishanga said:

 



KingSausage said:


Phishanga said:

Can't we just accept/try to consider that they are just NOT ready to release stuff we have never heard (IF THERE EVEN IS ANYTHING LEFT THAT IS REALLY GREAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET). Jeezus MF Christ, the bitching here. 



No.

 


 


You are right.




Of course.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #326 posted 06/08/18 9:26am

walkez20

This has always been one of my favourites!!! I may be on my own here,but this recording in this quality has been something ive always wanted.. i love this ,really bluesy great versions of songs , im really exited for this
Reply #327 posted 06/08/18 9:48am

love2thenines2003

The quality song of MARY DON'T U WEEP in Flac is shit....performance is great but quality is like my ass making noise !

Reply #328 posted 06/08/18 9:50am

camilleisfunky

Does the 35 minute release include all the songs that he performed that we've had for ages now? I thought Purple Music was included in the bootleg, but is not listed on the cd track list. Sorry if this was already discussed, I didn't have a chance to read all the pages in the thread.

Reply #329 posted 06/08/18 9:53am

databank

camilleisfunky said:

Does the 35 minute release include all the songs that he performed that we've had for ages now? I thought Purple Music was included in the bootleg, but is not listed on the cd track list. Sorry if this was already discussed, I didn't have a chance to read all the pages in the thread.

PM and those 2 other untitled tracks are from 1982. Always bootlegged together but not the same session.

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Reply #330 posted 06/08/18 9:55am

camilleisfunky

databank said:

camilleisfunky said:

Does the 35 minute release include all the songs that he performed that we've had for ages now? I thought Purple Music was included in the bootleg, but is not listed on the cd track list. Sorry if this was already discussed, I didn't have a chance to read all the pages in the thread.

PM and those 2 other untitled tracks are from 1982. Always bootlegged together but not the same session.

Thanks! smile

Reply #331 posted 06/08/18 10:59am

leadline

Is it a surprising pick out of the plethera of things to pick from? Very surprising. But I am very very grateful nonetheless for this album.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #332 posted 06/08/18 11:10am

mushmackalenta

At least they are upfront about it being sourced from a cassette.

There are so many other things that would excite me more but after listening to Mary don't you weep i think this could be worthy of release. I kind of like that it's a stand alone rather than buried in a larger release. It's just a bit pricey for 35 minutes.
Reply #333 posted 06/08/18 11:21am

djThunderfunk

mushmackalenta said:

At least they are upfront about it being sourced from a cassette.


Did "they" say that? I thought it was just "us" that was saying that.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #334 posted 06/08/18 11:22am

TrevorAyer

35 minutes has always been a standard and good length for anything on vinyl ... a longer release reduces the sound quality of the disk ... this is why 1999 is 2 vinyl disks and not 1 ... many prince albums are 35 minutes ... the length works for the fact that this is intended as a vinyl collectors release on some level .. keeps it simple .. the cover art is horrible .. especially compared to the original picture .. looks really bad .. i hope they don't use noise reduction

Reply #335 posted 06/08/18 11:35am

Kares

Well at least the Estate is listening to us to some extent. We wanted box sets, we are going to get a box set.


A box set of one 35 minute, bad quality bootleg and a photo book... Funny bunch they are.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #336 posted 06/08/18 11:46am

roxy831

I'm kinda glad. My original Intimate Moments CD is so scratched up...lol. Played the heck out of it all through college. lol Bring it on!!

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
Reply #337 posted 06/08/18 11:59am

Kares

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the most prolific musicians ever with dozens of unreleased projects in the can plus hundreds of odd unreleased songs and hundreds of professionally recorded shows on tape...

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[Edited 6/8/18 12:02pm]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #338 posted 06/08/18 12:01pm

TheFreakerFantastic

ORGERs here are also probably partly to blame for this!

So many were rabidly requesting the release of Piano and Microphone when the family did a survey. Knowing the family and their limited knowledge of Prince's career they probably weren't so aware they were referring to his recent Piano and Microphone tour and just said to Troy or WB "Look just release something with Prince alone on Piano and Microphone to please the fans as this is what they asked for". WB/Troy probably replied "Look we have no rights to this recent stuff, but we can take something from an old tape from the early days we just found, clean it up quickly and put it out as "Piano and Microphone 1983!"

I would not be surprised if this is what happened!!!

[Edited 6/8/18 12:21pm]

Reply #339 posted 06/08/18 12:02pm

luvsexy4all

Kares said:

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the (if not The) most prolific musician with dozens of unreleased project in the can and hundreds of professionally recorded shows.

why release a subpar bootleg when theres SO MANY professional sounding concerts/aftershows/soundchecks/rehearsals ??? arent they trying to get more interest in his music?????

Reply #340 posted 06/08/18 12:12pm

Kares

luvsexy4all said:

Kares said:

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the most prolific musicians ever with dozens of unreleased projects in the can plus hundreds of odd unreleased songs and hundreds of professionally recorded shows on tape...

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why release a subpar bootleg when theres SO MANY professional sounding concerts/aftershows/soundchecks/rehearsals ??? arent they trying to get more interest in his music?????

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It's called profit maximisation, I'm afraid. This material hardly required more studio work than someone pressing play on a My First Sony cassette player and they will be selling it at box set price point.
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[Edited 6/8/18 12:21pm]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #341 posted 06/08/18 12:12pm

TwiliteKid

djThunderfunk said:

mushmackalenta said:

At least they are upfront about it being sourced from a cassette.


Did "they" say that? I thought it was just "us" that was saying that.

Yeah, the cassette source is referenced in the press release.

Reply #342 posted 06/08/18 12:17pm

feeluupp

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

Reply #343 posted 06/08/18 12:23pm

PURPLEIZED3121

The reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners shows that there is huge interest in tracks that we already have. We are victims of our own greed.

Simple solution is to do another Crystal Ball 2 or 3 set covering all the eras.

Reply #344 posted 06/08/18 12:29pm

feeluupp

... and yes... to the people writing essays defending this release... it is from a sourced tape... so there we are ladies and gentleman... our first official posthumous release is a bootleg from a cassette. lol

great job troy and the estate... what's next, they going to release Box O' Chocolates on vinyl. lol

Reply #345 posted 06/08/18 12:34pm

Kares

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

The reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners shows that there is huge interest in tracks that we already have. We are victims of our own greed.

Simple solution is to do another Crystal Ball 2 or 3 set covering all the eras.

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Sorry but I've no idea what you mean on the "reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners". The fact that the press release is being published by the media worldwide? Or that they talk about "a new, previously unheard Prince album" which they know nothing about and nor do they care about?

.

There is a huge interest in tracks we already have – but that interest is in tracks we have mostly in poor quality so getting them in pristine quality straight from the source tapes (either remixed from the multitracks or just remastered from the original mixdown tapes) would definitely generate a huge interest amongst us too!

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But there's considerably less interest in getting an official bootleg of an amateur recording in more-or-less the same poor quality we already have it in.
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #346 posted 06/08/18 12:44pm

dustoff

feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.


How do you know where this release will be sourced from? Just because a bootlegged copy of this performance exists doesn't mean that the release won't be produced from a better source.

And for those of you claiming to be "insulted" by this release, I can only say [Flame snip - luv4u] you should check your sense of entitlement.

Man, some fuckin' fans.

Reply #347 posted 06/08/18 1:02pm

feeluupp

dustoff said:

feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.


How do you know where this release will be sourced from? Just because a bootlegged copy of this performance exists doesn't mean that the release won't be produced from a better source.

And for those of you claiming to be "insulted" by this release, I can only say [Flame snip - luv4u] you should check your sense of entitlement.

Man, some fuckin' fans.

Said so in the press release... It's sourced from a cassette, that became a boot in the 80's...

Reply #348 posted 06/08/18 1:08pm

dustoff

feeluupp said:

dustoff said:


How do you know where this release will be sourced from? Just because a bootlegged copy of this performance exists doesn't mean that the release won't be produced from a better source.

And for those of you claiming to be "insulted" by this release, I can only say [Flame snip - luv4u] you should check your sense of entitlement.

Man, some fuckin' fans.

Said so in the press release... It's sourced from a cassette, that became a boot in the 80's...


Yeah, but we don't know what generation copy the boot was made from. In other words, it's not a given (and seems in fact totally unlikely) that WB is "rebooting the boot," ie sourcing it from whatever copy ended up making the rounds when the boot was released. Saying that is the case is just disengenuous.

Reply #349 posted 06/08/18 1:21pm

Graycap23

Who in the hell is making decision over at WB? With all of the material that they found, this is the best they could come up with?

Yes....I'm in a Cult. We brainwash people into THINKING ............4 Themselves. FAMILIAR BONDAGE OVER FOREIGN FREEDOM
Reply #350 posted 06/08/18 2:02pm

djThunderfunk

Kares said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

The reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners shows that there is huge interest in tracks that we already have. We are victims of our own greed.

Simple solution is to do another Crystal Ball 2 or 3 set covering all the eras.

.
Sorry but I've no idea what you mean on the "reaction of the mass media around the world AND casual listeners". The fact that the press release is being published by the media worldwide? Or that they talk about "a new, previously unheard Prince album" which they know nothing about and nor do they care about?

.

There is a huge interest in tracks we already have – but that interest is in tracks we have mostly in poor quality so getting them in pristine quality straight from the source tapes (either remixed from the multitracks or just remastered from the original mixdown tapes) would definitely generate a huge interest amongst us too!

.
But there's considerably less interest in getting an official bootleg of an amateur recording in more-or-less the same poor quality we already have it in.
.


"We" do not have this in the same quality as the Mary Don't You Weep track. The best "we" have doesn't sound anywhere near as good as this.

If you have the set in quality that good, you should share it.

I'm not happy that this is what they've chosen to release, but, let's not pretend the existing bootlegs sound as good as what we're hearing on this new release.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #351 posted 06/08/18 2:07pm

djThunderfunk

TwiliteKid said:

djThunderfunk said:


Did "they" say that? I thought it was just "us" that was saying that.

Yeah, the cassette source is referenced in the press release.


Then I'm cool with it. I don't like if they pretend something is sourced from "vault tapes" and won't admit it's from cassette. But, if they tell us straight up, then that's alright.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #352 posted 06/08/18 2:27pm

IstenSzek

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on.

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain.

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't
know what they are doing anymore.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #353 posted 06/08/18 2:36pm

Silvertongue7

IstenSzek said:

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on. 

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain. 

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll 
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't 
know what they are doing anymore. 


I agree with this. I am so mad. I find this not even remotely interesting. After two freaking years the best that they could find is a 35 minute rehearsal with crappy sound quality and a pedestrian tracklist.
This is not a stand alone release, this is disc five in a deluxe edition, or in a career-spanning box set with twenty other rehearsals. This is just a shit move.
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #354 posted 06/08/18 2:47pm

KingSausage

It will be nice to have upgraded sound quality over the shitty bootleg. And the vinyl packaging looks nice. But good god, was Intimate Moments at or near the top of anyone’s list of favorite unreleased material?!

I’ll just hope the next release is better. In the meantime I’ll enjoy this release...and continue to set my expectations low.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #355 posted 06/08/18 2:50pm

IstenSzek

Silvertongue7 said:

IstenSzek said:

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on.

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain.

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't
know what they are doing anymore.

I agree with this. I am so mad. I find this not even remotely interesting. After two freaking years the best that they could find is a 35 minute rehearsal with crappy sound quality and a pedestrian tracklist. This is not a stand alone release, this is disc five in a deluxe edition, or in a career-spanning box set with twenty other rehearsals. This is just a shit move.


nod

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #356 posted 06/08/18 2:59pm

rdhull

So the estate is releasing basically cleaned up bootlegs. Trolling on the river.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #357 posted 06/08/18 3:34pm

Graycap23

IstenSzek said:

i listened to this rehearsal again, yesterday and i realised again
why i hadn't listened to it in over 15 years, i just find it a bit of
a boring one, sadly. it kind of just drones on.

i thought my initial disappointment would wear off quickly, but
i'm still just as pissed off as yesterday. not with the rehearsal,
even if it's not my favourite, i'll still listen to the official version
and probably enjoy it more to slightly enhanced sound.

but what continues to freakin piss me off is that once again we
have been tricked into thinking we will get something amazing,
probably even a whole studio album we didn't know yet and in
the end what they present is a let down.

that's the kick in the teeth.

this disc would have been a very cool addition to an future re-
re-release of Purple Rain.

so what, tidal is going to release P&M2016 next year and we'll
be waiting for the first studiotracks to trickle out until 2020?

if reissues are not being worked on behind the scenes, i don't
know what they are doing anymore.

100% agree.

Yes....I'm in a Cult. We brainwash people into THINKING ............4 Themselves. FAMILIAR BONDAGE OVER FOREIGN FREEDOM
Reply #358 posted 06/08/18 3:40pm

leadline

djThunderfunk said:

TwiliteKid said:

Yeah, the cassette source is referenced in the press release.


Then I'm cool with it. I don't like if they pretend something is sourced from "vault tapes" and won't admit it's from cassette. But, if they tell us straight up, then that's alright.


Even after they cleaned up Mary Don't U Weep, it is still garbled in several areas, a flaw that is predominantly inherent to cassette tapes as they degrade. I believe without much doubt that this is indeed sourced from a cassette tape. To bring it further, Prince was notorious for sitting down at the piano and using a cassette player in those days, in order to capture his inspirations immediately, and not having to set anything up. To bring it even further, this is basically an improvised 'session', rehearsal is probably an improper use for what this really is as he sat down at the piano, and played whatever was on his mind at that moment, as opposed to something that was pre-planned and pre-arranged, that he was trying to perfect. He surely had no intent of ever turning this into something more than it is nor ever releasing it to the public.

This is simply Prince walking by the piano, sitting down and letting his fingers and voice go wherever inspiration took him.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #359 posted 06/08/18 3:44pm

dodger

rdhull said:

So the estate is releasing basically cleaned up bootlegs. Trolling on the river.



Roll on 2022 for Small Club
Reply #360 posted 06/08/18 4:08pm

RODSERLING

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years and being a huge worldwide commercial trademark.
In this context, a 1999 deluxe had about zero chance to happen. Like I Said one year ago, WB has no interest in releasing multi CD packages they can t sell. Those who are waiting for deluxe reissues to happen are genuinely naïve.
.
One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it.
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Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe. Its short lenght Will assure it more listening that Will reflect on higher sales (since 1000 listenings: 1 sale)
Reply #361 posted 06/08/18 4:37pm

SoulAlive

I would rather that they focus on Deluxe Editions of his albums.I want a 3-CD ‘1999’ Deluxe Edition!! Filled with bonus tracks and outtakes,please.
Reply #362 posted 06/08/18 4:49pm

SoulAlive

RODSERLING said:


Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe.


Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well.

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[Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]
Reply #363 posted 06/08/18 5:02pm

TrivialPursuit

dodger said:

rdhull said:

So the estate is releasing basically cleaned up bootlegs. Trolling on the river.

Roll on 2022 for Small Club


Small Club

First Avenue 1983, 1985, 1987

Gold Aftershow Brussels

Paris or New York 1980

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
Reply #364 posted 06/08/18 5:27pm

jjam

RODSERLING said:

Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe.

Yep, it's really been well received by fans, hasn't it? lol

Reply #365 posted 06/08/18 6:40pm

EddieC

feeluupp said:

... and yes... to the people writing essays defending this release... it is from a sourced tape... so there we are ladies and gentleman... our first official posthumous release is a bootleg from a cassette. lol

great job troy and the estate... what's next, they going to release Box O' Chocolates on vinyl. lol

Okay, the bootleg was a bootleg from a (probably later generation) cassette. This is an official release from a (possibly first generation) cassette. I mean, if that's what there is for a source, then that's what they've got to use. I understand not being happy with this particular recording being chosen for release, either because you just don't think it should be released or because it's not good for release at this time. But it's not the same as using the bootleg as the source.

Reply #366 posted 06/08/18 7:05pm

SquirrelMeat

There is probably a simple logic to this choice of release. Purple Rain Deluxe didn't set the world on fire, so, instead of releasing 1999 deluxe, WB are exploring how to exploit maximum sales from a limited hardcore base. This is a test to gauge the fan levels and their limits.

They have picked something obscure, given away as little music as possible, created an expensive bundle without additional music and arranged a very long 'pre-order' period.

Classic marketing to gauge the size of the market and how far they can push it.


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Reply #367 posted 06/08/18 7:07pm

rdhull

EddieC said:

feeluupp said:

... and yes... to the people writing essays defending this release... it is from a sourced tape... so there we are ladies and gentleman... our first official posthumous release is a bootleg from a cassette. lol

great job troy and the estate... what's next, they going to release Box O' Chocolates on vinyl. lol

Okay, the bootleg was a bootleg from a (probably later generation) cassette. This is an official release from a (possibly first generation) cassette. I mean, if that's what there is for a source, then that's what they've got to use. I understand not being happy with this particular recording being chosen for release, either because you just don't think it should be released or because it's not good for release at this time. But it's not the same as using the bootleg as the source.

Yes it is. With all the material thats credible and prisitne, to release this (with hiss you can hear on Mary lol) is akin to using bootleg as the soure. At least Led Zep/Jimi Page admitted to such with How The West Was Won. Thing is, LZ doesnt have half of the material Prince has put away, so to use this is realy flummoxing.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #368 posted 06/08/18 9:35pm

udo

Kares said:

I'm trying hard to laugh about it but to be really honest this is an insult. After 2,5 years and some cassette tape sourced releases (that should've never happened to important material such as Computer Blue and Love & Sex etc) and after the announcement that something really big is coming this fall, we're slapped in the face with a 35min bootleg we already have.

And we're talking about the legacy of one of the most prolific musicians ever with dozens of unreleased projects in the can plus hundreds of odd unreleased songs and hundreds of professionally recorded shows on tape...

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I got news for you.

Inside news.

2019 will be BIG!

lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #369 posted 06/08/18 9:38pm

udo

TrivialPursuit said:

dodger said:

rdhull said: Roll on 2022 for Small Club


Small Club

First Avenue 1983, 1985, 1987

Gold Aftershow Brussels

Paris or New York 1980

.

This is nonsense.

If the b00tleggars can b00tleg whole tours and do that for decades, why then can't a 'legal' rentseker like a record company do a series of discs for a tour?

Does this imply that there is a backwards relation between size and efficiency when it comes to them old music giants?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #370 posted 06/08/18 11:21pm

mushmackalenta

I haven't listened to the boot for years but aren't Purple Rain and Wednesday hardly more than a minute long?
Reply #371 posted 06/09/18 12:00am

databank

feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

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I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #372 posted 06/09/18 12:09am

databank

RODSERLING said:

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years and being a huge worldwide commercial trademark. In this context, a 1999 deluxe had about zero chance to happen. Like I Said one year ago, WB has no interest in releasing multi CD packages they can t sell. Those who are waiting for deluxe reissues to happen are genuinely naïve. . One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. . Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe. Its short lenght Will assure it more listening that Will reflect on higher sales (since 1000 listenings: 1 sale)

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #373 posted 06/09/18 12:15am

TrivialPursuit

RODSERLING said:

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years
One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. .


HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
Reply #374 posted 06/09/18 12:31am

Strive

TrivialPursuit said:

 



RODSERLING said:



Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years 

One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. . 


HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.



Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7857763/prince-purple-rain-reissue-top-five-albums-chart-billboard-200
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #375 posted 06/09/18 2:29am

RODSERLING

SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said:
Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe.
Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well. ... [Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]

That's not true.

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Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

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In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

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Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

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The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

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Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

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If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

Reply #376 posted 06/09/18 2:35am

RODSERLING

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

Purple Rain Deluxe was a flop, despite being expected for so many years and being a huge worldwide commercial trademark. In this context, a 1999 deluxe had about zero chance to happen. Like I Said one year ago, WB has no interest in releasing multi CD packages they can t sell. Those who are waiting for deluxe reissues to happen are genuinely naïve. . One of the reasons of this commercial failure is because many orgers here complained about PR Deluxe and chose to not buy it. . Piano...1983 has more chance to sell than a 1999 deluxe. Its short lenght Will assure it more listening that Will reflect on higher sales (since 1000 listenings: 1 sale)

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

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CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

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2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

Reply #377 posted 06/09/18 2:38am

feeluupp

databank said:

feeluupp said:

and some orgers were writing essays defending this sourced bootleg release... lol

in the end the estate releases the first official "new" prince album since his death from an existing bootleg.

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

.

I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Reply #378 posted 06/09/18 2:42am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

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CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

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2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

u can't just estimate sales all the time rod... ur figures are so off everytime... i remember you "estimated" the purple rain deluxe first week figures and you were off by so much...

Reply #379 posted 06/09/18 2:45am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

databank said:

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

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I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Did I write one negative word about this release ? No. I am eagerly waiting for this, Day 1 buying for me.

Even if it were 1999 deluxe, most of the orgers here would still complain about it and threaten to not buy it.

We already saw that for PR Deluxe, which had objectively great content value (even if the dvd was crap).

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Fortunately, I don't belong to the sad listeners bootleg community, so this would be all new for me.

Reply #380 posted 06/09/18 2:46am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

.

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
.

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

.

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

u can't just estimate sales all the time rod... ur figures are so off everytime... i remember you "estimated" the purple rain deluxe first week figures and you were off by so much...

So, these figures are wrong ? Billboard and Nielsen faked their numbers, I believe just for Prince ? Just like this I suppose ?

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From the NIELSEN 20I7 YEAR-END
MUSIC REPORT U.S.


TOP 10 VINYL ALBUMS

Rank Artist Title Sales
1 Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Cl 72,000

6 Prince Purple Rain 58,000

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U.S. Cassette Album Sales Rose 35% in 2017, Led by 'Guardians of the Galaxy' Awesome Mix Tapes
https://www.billboard.com...ising-2017
1/5/2018 by Keith Caulfield

TOP 10 SELLING CASSETTE ALBUMS OF 2017 IN U.S.
Rank Artist, Title Sales

7 Prince and the Revolution, Purple Rain (Soundtrack) 2,000

Source: Nielsen Music, for the tracking period Dec. 30, 2016 through Dec. 28, 2017.

[Edited 6/9/18 2:48am]

[Edited 6/9/18 2:48am]

Reply #381 posted 06/09/18 2:48am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

u can't just estimate sales all the time rod... ur figures are so off everytime... i remember you "estimated" the purple rain deluxe first week figures and you were off by so much...

So, these figures are wrong ? Billboard and Nielsen faked their numbers, I believe just for Prince ?

Official numbers are official numbers.

Rod's estimated figures are always wrong... Wasn't you that estimated that Purple Rain Deluze would sell no more than 70,000 world wide and the first week sales in the U.S. alone surprassed your whole number?

Reply #382 posted 06/09/18 2:49am

Kares

RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said: Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well. ... [Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]

That's not true.

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Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

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In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

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Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

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The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

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Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

.

If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

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The bottom line is: quality still sells. If a release is put together professionally, with amazing sound, tons of extra material and gorgeous packaging, like the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it will sell well even at 5x the price of PR Deluxe.
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If something is thrown together using material sourced from cassette tapes, in a cheap digipak with a poor quality booklet, it will be a flop – and indeed, PR Deluxe was a flop. No surprises there.
.
So in case a 1999 Deluxe or a Parade Deluxe would be put together professionally and with such care as the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it could actually sell a lot better than that disgraceful PR Deluxe.
.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #383 posted 06/09/18 2:51am

feeluupp

Kares said:

RODSERLING said:

That's not true.

.

Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

.

In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

.

Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

.

The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

.

Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

.

If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

.
The bottom line is: quality still sells. If a release is put together professionally, with amazing sound, tons of extra material and gorgeous packaging, like the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it will sell well even at 5x the price of PR Deluxe.
.
If something is thrown together using material sourced from cassette tapes, in a cheap digipak with a poor quality booklet, it will be a flop – and indeed, PR Deluxe was a flop. No surprises there.
.
So in case a 1999 Deluxe or a Parade Deluxe would be put together professionally and with such care as the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it could actually sell a lot better than that disgraceful PR Deluxe.
.

... Remember how we had the photographer who did the booklet for PR DELUXE post here before it's release hyping the packet up, yet there was only one new photo we have never seen... I thought they could've done much better with PR DELUXE being that is his biggest selling album... But I'm just really wondering who has the last say and chosing these releases because surely it is not the fans. neutral

Reply #384 posted 06/09/18 2:56am

databank

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

I couldn't find world figure nor recent ones but based on TKO's last post in the old sales thread, the album had sold 120,000 copies in the US alone, and this about 2 months after release. Make it worldwide and take it to, say, after last xmas, and we're probably talking about at least 250,000 copies worldwide.

I fail to see how this could be considered a "flop" in this day and age, considering the current states of album sales and the fact that we're talking about a reissue.

I've just checked and the best selling album of 2017 was 6,2M copies, and by the time you reach #9 in the list we're already down to 1M copies. So 250,000 for a reissue, I'd say we have a winner!

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

.

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
.

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

.

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

I didn't know that.

On the other hand it could be argued that with the peak of sales PR knew after Prince passed, to be added to those 15 or 20M folks who had purchased it between 1984 and 2016, sales had to suffer: it's not every casual Prince listener who was gonna buy it again just for obscure outtakes, b-sides and edits. Obviously, 41,000 copies of a 1984 album in the first semester of 2017 is an extraordinary amount. So I would say the timing was poor: WB just tried to resell a record that every new fan had just already purchased in the wake of P's death.

So in the end IDK what it says about potential sales of any other potential reissue, because it appears the sales of PR Deluxe suffered from the sales of PR between April 2016 and June 2017.

Now IDK, I ain't in the head of those WB execs and IDK what sort of sales figures they expect from a reissue. The Beatles is NOT a good comparison example. The Beatles, like MJ and maybe Elvis are in another category entirely.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #385 posted 06/09/18 2:56am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

So, these figures are wrong ? Billboard and Nielsen faked their numbers, I believe just for Prince ?

Official numbers are official numbers.

Rod's estimated figures are always wrong... Wasn't you that estimated that Purple Rain Deluze would sell no more than 70,000 world wide and the first week sales in the U.S. alone surprassed your whole number?

1st week sales in the US of the vinyl, cassette, CD and deluxe version was 48.000...The only deluxe numbers are only between 33 and 37.000 copies.Truth hurts.

.

7/15 Billboard 200:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... bums-chart

DJ Khaled's 'Grateful' Debuts at No. 1 on Billboard 200 Albums Chart
7/2/2017 by Keith Caulfield

Prince and the Revolution’s Purple Rain soundtrack, first released in 1984, re-enters the list straight in at No. 4, following its deluxe remastered reissue on June 23. The album — combining all versions of Purple Rain, past and present — earned 52,000 units in the tracking frame (of which 48,000 were in traditional album sales). The set collected a 3,633 percent gain in units for the week, and a 4,767 percent leap in album sales.

.

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=307208

Tuesday, June 27, 2017

TOP 20: DEAD HEAT

In one of the tightest races we’ve seen, DJ Khaled and Imagine Dragons are in a dead heat for #1 on Friday’s SPS chart. Stay tuned for updates on this battle. The Expanded Edition of Prince’s Purple Rain is poised for a Top 5 debut.

5. *Prince (Warner Bros.) 33-37k

Reply #386 posted 06/09/18 2:58am

databank

feeluupp said:

databank said:

I thought you and your little friend were done trolling after Prince died. Has he been dead long enough that you feel it's OK to start again?

I look forward to reading your weekly "Prince is over and done even in death" threads, then wink

.

I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Mmmh... Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. I thought I remembered we had huge fights back when Prince was alive because of those weekly "Prince is over and done thread", and that you had allied yourself with that other dude who hates me to flame me. Apologies if it wasn't you, I sometimes confuse orgers.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #387 posted 06/09/18 2:58am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Official numbers are official numbers.

Rod's estimated figures are always wrong... Wasn't you that estimated that Purple Rain Deluze would sell no more than 70,000 world wide and the first week sales in the U.S. alone surprassed your whole number?

1st week sales in the US of the vinyl, cassette, CD and deluxe version was 48.000...The only deluxe numbers are only between 33 and 37.000 copies.Truth hurts.

.

7/15 Billboard 200:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... bums-chart

DJ Khaled's 'Grateful' Debuts at No. 1 on Billboard 200 Albums Chart
7/2/2017 by Keith Caulfield

Prince and the Revolution’s Purple Rain soundtrack, first released in 1984, re-enters the list straight in at No. 4, following its deluxe remastered reissue on June 23. The album — combining all versions of Purple Rain, past and present — earned 52,000 units in the tracking frame (of which 48,000 were in traditional album sales). The set collected a 3,633 percent gain in units for the week, and a 4,767 percent leap in album sales.

.

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=307208

Tuesday, June 27, 2017

TOP 20: DEAD HEAT

In one of the tightest races we’ve seen, DJ Khaled and Imagine Dragons are in a dead heat for #1 on Friday’s SPS chart. Stay tuned for updates on this battle. The Expanded Edition of Prince’s Purple Rain is poised for a Top 5 debut.

5. *Prince (Warner Bros.) 33-37k

What were the sale figures for PRINCE4EVER?

In U.K. it went GOLD indicating over 100,000 copies, but what were the rest of the sales, would be interesting to know...

Reply #388 posted 06/09/18 3:00am

feeluupp

databank said:

feeluupp said:

... um ur confusing me with ROD... i don't make those posts.

Mmmh... Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. I thought I remembered we had huge fights back when Prince was alive because of those weekly "Prince is over and done thread", and that you had allied yourself with that other dude who hates me to flame me. Apologies if it wasn't you, I sometimes confuse orgers.

Naw deff wasn't me... Just go through my posts on search... I don't get involved with those type of threads. I do remember there was always someone argueing with ROD whenever ROD would post the sales figures of an upcoming Prince album and say it would be a flop everytime a new release would come...

Reply #389 posted 06/09/18 3:01am

udo

RODSERLING said:

So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

.

So the Estate is a lot less valuable than what everybopdy thinks.

Because what margin is there on tehse rissues?

What margin is there on 'new' old material?

Count with 250K albums (single disc) per release and do the math.

What is the actual value?

A quick calculation comes down at ~15 million fiat dollars when they get 1 dollar per disc and do 20 reissue albums and some vault stuff each selling 250K copies.

You can double the money when they get 2 dollars and so on.

.

Better sell them tapes to them b00tleggars in one lump sum and be done with it because at this rate the heirs will never be 'rich'.

.

Or did I make the wrong assumptions?

Please explain.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #390 posted 06/09/18 3:05am

RODSERLING

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

I'm sorry but you're terribly wrong. At the time of the PR deluxe release, the original version (vinyl + CD) already sold 41.000 copies (including at the time 28.000 on vinyl !). So your vague figure of "120.000 after two months" take this into account.

.

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 25

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
48 - 41,000* - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,610,000 )
.

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:41 pm ALBUM SALES WEEK 31

Rank - Estimated 2017 Sales - TITLE - Artist ( Estimated Total Sales )
49 - 120,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,689,000 )

.

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart USA

64. 171,000 - PURPLE RAIN - Prince & the Revolution ( 3,740,000 ).

[Edited 6/9/18 2:39am]

I didn't know that.

On the other hand it could be argued that with the peak of sales PR knew after Prince passed, to be added to those 15 or 20M folks who had purchased it between 1984 and 2016, sales had to suffer: it's not every casual Prince listener who was gonna buy it again just for obscure outtakes, b-sides and edits. Obviously, 41,000 copies of a 1984 album in the first semester of 2017 is an extraordinary amount. So I would say the timing was poor: WB just tried to resell a record that every new fan had just already purchased in the wake of P's death.

So in the end IDK what it says about potential sales of any other potential reissue, because it appears the sales of PR Deluxe suffered from the sales of PR between April 2016 and June 2017.

Now IDK, I ain't in the head of those WB execs and IDK what sort of sales figures they expect from a reissue. The Beatles is NOT a good comparison example. The Beatles, like MJ and maybe Elvis are in another category entirely.

Bad timing , for sure. It should have been released in 2014 for the 30th anniversary ; or the weeks following Prince's death. Ideally, they should have done a deal in 2004, it would have sold millions at the time.

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I thought about PR already sold lots of amount in 2016, but the Sgt Peppers album had many reissues in the past, including the 2009 reissue. Since 2009, Sgt Peppers sold 2 millions while PR 1 million, so this argument can't work. By the way, it was the first reissue EVER of a Prince album, so it should have been a great event.

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Purple RAin is in the same category of the Beatles in the US : PR and SGT PEPPERS sold at least 15 millions each, and surely PR is beating it..

Reply #391 posted 06/09/18 3:07am

Kares

feeluupp said:

Kares said:

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The bottom line is: quality still sells. If a release is put together professionally, with amazing sound, tons of extra material and gorgeous packaging, like the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it will sell well even at 5x the price of PR Deluxe.
.
If something is thrown together using material sourced from cassette tapes, in a cheap digipak with a poor quality booklet, it will be a flop – and indeed, PR Deluxe was a flop. No surprises there.
.
So in case a 1999 Deluxe or a Parade Deluxe would be put together professionally and with such care as the Sgt Pepper's box set was, it could actually sell a lot better than that disgraceful PR Deluxe.
.

... Remember how we had the photographer who did the booklet for PR DELUXE post here before it's release hyping the packet up, yet there was only one new photo we have never seen... I thought they could've done much better with PR DELUXE being that is his biggest selling album... But I'm just really wondering who has the last say and chosing these releases because surely it is not the fans. neutral

.
Absolutely, they could've and should've done much better. PR Deluxe is just a very poor job: bad sound quality, poor packaging and poor marketing. But of course there are explanations for all this. The bad remastering of the album itself was Prince's fault. Sourcing the outtakes from cassette copies was the result of the legal limbo around the estate, Warners simply didn't have access to the vault tapes at that point so they've resorted to using whatever demo cassettes they had in their drawers. The poor packaging and marketing were probably results of Warner knowing that this will be a sub par release so they didn't want to invest more in it, which is sort of understandable.
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I simply wouldn't have released PR Deluxe until I had access to the masters and could've done an amazing job at it, the kind of real high quality, full-blown box set that project would've deserved. I would've just released a live set with 3-4 FULL shows of the Piano & Microphone tour, including a full length BluRay video of his last concert.
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #392 posted 06/09/18 3:08am

databank

feeluupp said:

databank said:

Mmmh... Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. I thought I remembered we had huge fights back when Prince was alive because of those weekly "Prince is over and done thread", and that you had allied yourself with that other dude who hates me to flame me. Apologies if it wasn't you, I sometimes confuse orgers.

Naw deff wasn't me... Just go through my posts on search... I don't get involved with those type of threads. I do remember there was always someone argueing with ROD whenever ROD would post the sales figures of an upcoming Prince album and say it would be a flop everytime a new release would come...

It wasn't ROD either I'm pretty sure, at least we didn't get into regular fights I'm pretty sure of that. Sorry again. The culprit must be gone (most of those anti-Prince trolls nearly disappeared since he passed).

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #393 posted 06/09/18 3:13am

Sydney

Another Orger said it earlier and I agree this is a boring release - forget this "I am happy for anything" response. Prince is a genius and I am sure this will be beautifully executed but at the end of the day it is a piano and microphone recording. The Estate has access to some of the most important and exciting music of the 20th Century and it is understandable that some would feel after 2 years this release is "underwhelming". Don't you wanna hear perfect studio versions of Prince's "G Spot", "Heaven" and "Baby You're A Trip"?

[Edited 6/9/18 3:15am]

Reply #394 posted 06/09/18 3:14am

RODSERLING

udo said:

RODSERLING said:

So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

.

So the Estate is a lot less valuable than what everybopdy thinks.

Because what margin is there on tehse rissues?

What margin is there on 'new' old material?

Count with 250K albums (single disc) per release and do the math.

What is the actual value?

A quick calculation comes down at ~15 million fiat dollars when they get 1 dollar per disc and do 20 reissue albums and some vault stuff each selling 250K copies.

You can double the money when they get 2 dollars and so on.

.

Better sell them tapes to them b00tleggars in one lump sum and be done with it because at this rate the heirs will never be 'rich'.

.

Or did I make the wrong assumptions?

Please explain.

Hey, I'm the first to think they sould have released reissue of all his albums. PRdeluxe was fine for me, I always wanted that from every WB Prince albums. But they should have done this a long time ago.

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Moreover, they spent 3 years making the PR deluxe since its original announcement. You can't release 20 reissue albums of this type (3 CD +dvd + booklet) in a short amount of time. Not with the state of Prince sales. Not with incompetents like that.

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Piano and Microphone is a better bet. Only 1 track to remasterise, already existing, and completely unreleased. Moreover as I explained, the album is very short, and so more streaming-able than a 80 minutes reedition of 1999 deluxe. Streaming = sales = charts rankings = the shit now.

Reply #395 posted 06/09/18 3:20am

databank

Sydney said:

Another Orger said it earlier and I agree this is a boring release - forget this "I am happy for anything" response. Prince is a genius and I am sure this will be beautifully executed but at the end of the day it is a piano and microphone recording. The Estate has access to some of the most important and exciting music of the 20th Century and it is understandable that some would feel after 2 years this release is "underwhelming". Don't you wanna hear perfect studio versions of Prince's "G Spot", "Heaven" and "Baby You're A Trip"?

[Edited 6/9/18 3:15am]

Not necessarily any more than a perfect sounding version of Intimate Moments. I think the only way they could really blow my mind at this point would be with a well compiled complete album of entirely unheard studio tracks. IDK, I have so much Prince music already that I don't really care anymore what they do as long as they don't mutilate the material they release by tinkering it.

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Now that's just me, any release whatsoever will make people more or less happy. The only way to please everyone would be an online store with an album's worth of material added every month. Up until they do that the fact that so little has to be chosen from so much will inevitably make any choice they make frustrating to half the fans out here.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #396 posted 06/09/18 3:29am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

1st week sales in the US of the vinyl, cassette, CD and deluxe version was 48.000...The only deluxe numbers are only between 33 and 37.000 copies.Truth hurts.

.

7/15 Billboard 200:

http://www.billboard.com/...bums-chart

DJ Khaled's 'Grateful' Debuts at No. 1 on Billboard 200 Albums Chart
7/2/2017 by Keith Caulfield

Prince and the Revolution’s Purple Rain soundtrack, first released in 1984, re-enters the list straight in at No. 4, following its deluxe remastered reissue on June 23. The album — combining all versions of Purple Rain, past and present — earned 52,000 units in the tracking frame (of which 48,000 were in traditional album sales). The set collected a 3,633 percent gain in units for the week, and a 4,767 percent leap in album sales.

.

http://hitsdailydouble.co...;id=307208

Tuesday, June 27, 2017

TOP 20: DEAD HEAT

In one of the tightest races we’ve seen, DJ Khaled and Imagine Dragons are in a dead heat for #1 on Friday’s SPS chart. Stay tuned for updates on this battle. The Expanded Edition of Prince’s Purple Rain is poised for a Top 5 debut.

5. *Prince (Warner Bros.) 33-37k

What were the sale figures for PRINCE4EVER?

In U.K. it went GOLD indicating over 100,000 copies, but what were the rest of the sales, would be interesting to know...

2017 Year End Album Sales Chart US (pure sales)

145. 103,000 - 4EVER - Prince ( 170,000 )

.

With streaming :

ALBUM RAW SPS WEEK 52

Rank - Estimated EAS - TITLE - Artist
176- 249,000 - 4EVER - Prince

.

Never charted in any charts in 2018, it sold 3000 by mid february, so about 500 copies/ week. .So in pure sales 180.000 copies in the US. With streaming...more than 300.000.

.

It's a strenght seller in the Uk since its gold certification in may 2017, so I would say like in the US about 180.000 copies (sales + streaming)

[Edited 6/9/18 3:31am]

Reply #397 posted 06/09/18 4:14am

deebee

RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said: Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well. ... [Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]

That's not true.

.

Let's do some maths : in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999 sold 165.000, exactly 3 times less.

In the rest of the world, PR sold 200.000 while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.

.

In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.

.

Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.

So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.

.

The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.

PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.

.

Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.

.

If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.

Certainly seems that PR sales weren't mindblowing. And, from that, it would seem fair for a label to settle on a strategy of targeting the core fanbase for future releases. That seems plausible. But I don't see that it follows from that that tarting up an obscure old bootleg unintended for release is the most lucrative way to tap that market. That seems like playing to the niche of the niche. A well-curated set of first-generation copies of previously bootlegged 'fan favourites, or a 1999 remaster with a second disc, or some pro-shot live shows, etc etc, may well all be niche products in the big wide marketplace, but they'd still surely garner more excitement - and reliable sales - even amongst the limited target audience.

Any difference in 'production costs' must be pretty small beer. Hell, production costs are minimal for reissues in general - hence the reason labels love them. There's no rock star advance to front up, nor an aeon of expensive studio time to buy. And, if the set is to be aimed squarely at a coterie of fans,there's no huge marketing spend. They could even set it at a higher price point, in anticipation of lower overall sales, as we'd all still lap it up.

There's an effort to make this some kind of canny move, when I guess I'm still inclined to see it as a 'best-we-can-do-for-now' job, or an effort to compete with Tidal, using the resources they control - the result of some set of contingencies, rather than part of a grand plan. I take the point that fans should probably lower their expectations, but I suspect there's still money to be made from the rest of the Vault's contents yet.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #398 posted 06/09/18 4:16am

master

SquirrelMeat said:

There is probably a simple logic to this choice of release. Purple Rain Deluxe didn't set the world on fire, so, instead of releasing 1999 deluxe, WB are exploring how to exploit maximum sales from a limited hardcore base. This is a test to gauge the fan levels and their limits.

They have picked something obscure, given away as little music as possible, created an expensive bundle without additional music and arranged a very long 'pre-order' period.

Classic marketing to gauge the size of the market and how far they can push it.


Genius maketing. Always annouce around birthday for free marketing. They gave an whole track with forever. 1 extra cd of new music with pr deluxe and now 35 mins of a piano rehersal.

i think it is absolute genius how they have stretched so little so far . Long may it continue. i can seen there being over 1 million new albums in the vault at this rate.

Reply #399 posted 06/09/18 4:58am

udo

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

Or did I make the wrong assumptions?

Please explain.

Moreover, they spent 3 years making the PR deluxe since its original announcement. You can't release 20 reissue albums of this type (3 CD +dvd + booklet) in a short amount of time. Not with the state of Prince sales. Not with incompetents like that.

.

Yes you can!

If one lowers the price (the 1983 P&M is expen$ive) the release will sell.

Thus counting with a one dollar margin for the Estate looks reasonable. (probbaly the 1983 P&M margin is higher)

Piano and Microphone is a better bet. Only 1 track to remasterise, already existing, and completely unreleased.

.

Completely dpeends on who you ask.

.

Completely unreleased by them becuase the release little at a slow pace for a non-cheap price, usually.

But most of that stuff on 1983 P&M was released years ago.

Check them b00tleggars.

.

Moreover as I explained, the album is very short, and so more streaming-able than a 80 minutes reedition of 1999 deluxe. Streaming = sales = charts rankings = the shit now.

.

Streaming is for millennials.

A stream is not even a download.

So the buyer actually receives nothing that remains.

.

If the Estate (who?) chose this 1983 P&M thing, would they release (some of) the 2016 P&M as a follow up?

Wouldn't that be boring for the general public?

As they will not release the full `tour` (22 shows), can we find as a fact that 'others' already released more than they will ever do?

As the market cannot bear the releases is nosense.

Why do a CD with 35 minutes of audio and a vinyl record with the same music, plus a booklet have to cost more than 40 Euros?

Actual prodution cost of this release is below 10 euros.

So where does the rest go?

For €20 they could have given us a 2CD box with 45+ minutes per disc.

.

So they are the cause of the market being unable to bear these releases.

This means that they do not even understand their own actions related to their understanding of the market.

This means that they are unfit to do that work.

I could do it as bad as they do for half their price. lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #400 posted 06/09/18 5:10am

RODSERLING

deebee said:

 



RODSERLING said:


 



SoulAlive said:


RODSERLING said: Bull! More people would definitely be more interested in a 1999 Deluxe Edition than a 1983 rehearsal tape of Prince on piano.You are also wrong when you say that the PR Deluxe was a flop.It actually sold very well. ... [Edited 6/8/18 16:50pm]

That's not true.


.




Let's do some maths :  in 2016 in the USA PR sold 497.000, while 1999  sold 165.000,  exactly 3 times less.


In the rest  of the world, PR sold 200.000  while 1999 50.000. 4 times less.


.


In 2017 PR sold 171.000 copies, including 58.000 of the vinyl version, 30.000 of the regular CD, 2000 of the audio cassette (!) and only 81.000 of the deluxe version.


.


Worldwide the PR reissue was a flop, not selling even 10.000 copies in France. I wouldsay globally in 2017 the reissue sold maybe 130.000 copies.


So, no need to be a mathematics genius to do the maths : with luck, 1999 could reach 3 times less globally than PR deluxe, that is to say about 45.000 worldwide.


.


The SGT PEPPERS reissue, released a few weeks before PR reissue, sold 275.000 in the US alone and was a major seller globally, reaching top 5 in 18 countries, despite being priced more than the PR Deluxe.


PR deluxe was top 10 in only 4 countries...And Purple Rain is supposed to be a huge trademark, unlike 1999 that sold in anglo-saxon countries.


.


Piano and A microphone has chances to sell more than 45.000 the year of release, while costing less in term of production for WB.


.


If you still don't believe these numbers and their consequences : let's consider this : if from their point of view PR deluxe sold well, do you really believe they wouldn' t have released 1999 deluxe ? Why wouldn't they want to make money ? It's because even PR deluxe was a flop, and many orgers here didn't even buy it. So the perspectives of a lesser known album are so weak that's it's becoming ridiculous.



Certainly seems that PR sales weren't mindblowing. And, from that, it would seem fair for a label to settle on a strategy of targeting the core fanbase for future releases. That seems plausible. But I don't see that it follows from that that tarting up an obscure old bootleg unintended for release is the most lucrative way to tap that market. That seems like playing to the niche of the niche. A well-curated set of first-generation copies of previously bootlegged 'fan favourites, or a 1999 remaster with a second disc, or some pro-shot live shows, etc etc, may well all be niche products in the big wide marketplace, but they'd still surely garner more excitement - and reliable sales - even amongst the limited target audience.

Any difference in 'production costs' must be pretty small beer. Hell, production costs are minimal for reissues in general - hence the reason labels love them. There's no rock star advance to front up, nor an aeon of expensive studio time to buy. And, if the set is to be aimed squarely at a coterie of fans,there's no huge marketing spend. They could even set it at a higher price point, in anticipation of lower overall sales, as we'd all still lap it up.

There's an effort to make this some kind of canny move, when I guess I'm still inclined to see it as a 'best-we-can-do-for-now' job, or an effort to compete with Tidal, using the resources they control - the result of some set of contingencies, rather than part of a grand plan. I take the point that fans should probably lower their expectations, but I suspect there's still money to be made from the rest of the Vault's contents yet.



While I m sure the 1999 deluxe would have gone unnoticed, the Piano...1983 Will get, I m sure, rave reviews in spécialised press. I Can see music reviewers in non spécialised press giving great reviews for this intemporal release. Whereas to many, 1999 sounds outdated, and wasted by Prince vocal gimmicks.
.
I know for sure than in France, it would sold better than the PR deluxe. Look at the Elvis Christmas orchestra release one or two years ago, or the many mtv unplugged that sometimes sell better than studio album.
Reply #401 posted 06/09/18 5:16am

IstenSzek

another reason why the PR deluxe didn't sell as well as it could have is that it was hardly
promoted by warners.

yes, there were 'singles' on spotify. but beyond the press picking up on those and putting
a few articles up, there was nothing coming from warners irrc.

but the main thing is that this was the single 80s prince album that was not in dire need
of a remaster. it sounds just fine the way it was.

to top that off, the remaster was done by an unknown from the prince camp and it does
not sound that good. i still listen to my old purple rain, i have no time for that remaster.

iirc there weren't too many articles or reviews about what a revelation it was to now have
this album and listen to it in all it's remastered glory. because it wasn't that good.

the bonus tracks are great. like them or not, that's just a level of personal taste, but it's
an entire disc full of unknown material (to casual fans at least, and with a few real good
surprises even for us hardcore fans/collectors).

they just promised TWO discs and that was a let down.

so the bit of hyping they did, they over promised and then under delivered.

also there were a few glaring rush job mistakes, like the drop out in Erotic City. that was
just sloppy work.

it goes on and on. there were too many things wrong with it. and yet, despite all that, it's
still a great reissue to own, at least for me. i enjoy the heck out of that bonus disc and i'm
continually listening to it.

i'm sure that goes for a lot of fans, even if it sold 'only' 250,000.

coupled with all the other info we have written by people above, it's safe to assume that
if done correctly and with enough bonus material, all his other albums will sell just as
many units, if not more.

i refuse to believe, for now, that they are NOT putting together those remasters and going
through all the vault material, compiling bonus discs etc etc, right now at this minute.

warners had limited time to publish this stuff, right? there is a contract that is ticking down
to an end date. so they get 1 more shot at doing this right and milk it for all that it's worth.

and that is just from the money perspective. there must also be people involved behind the
scenes who want to provide the best possible documents on prince's recording output that
they can. we're talking about extremely important musical/cultural history here. there must
be those who want to do right by the music and the man.

it would all be so much better to understand it WB would talk a bit about their plans, what
the schedule for future releases might look like, what they are willing to work on, who they
are bringing in etc etc. not hyping up something, just stating facts. that way releases like
this rehearsal might make more sense.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #402 posted 06/09/18 5:45am

deebee

RODSERLING said:

deebee said:

Certainly seems that PR sales weren't mindblowing. And, from that, it would seem fair for a label to settle on a strategy of targeting the core fanbase for future releases. That seems plausible. But I don't see that it follows from that that tarting up an obscure old bootleg unintended for release is the most lucrative way to tap that market. That seems like playing to the niche of the niche. A well-curated set of first-generation copies of previously bootlegged 'fan favourites, or a 1999 remaster with a second disc, or some pro-shot live shows, etc etc, may well all be niche products in the big wide marketplace, but they'd still surely garner more excitement - and reliable sales - even amongst the limited target audience.

Any difference in 'production costs' must be pretty small beer. Hell, production costs are minimal for reissues in general - hence the reason labels love them. There's no rock star advance to front up, nor an aeon of expensive studio time to buy. And, if the set is to be aimed squarely at a coterie of fans,there's no huge marketing spend. They could even set it at a higher price point, in anticipation of lower overall sales, as we'd all still lap it up.

There's an effort to make this some kind of canny move, when I guess I'm still inclined to see it as a 'best-we-can-do-for-now' job, or an effort to compete with Tidal, using the resources they control - the result of some set of contingencies, rather than part of a grand plan. I take the point that fans should probably lower their expectations, but I suspect there's still money to be made from the rest of the Vault's contents yet.

While I m sure the 1999 deluxe would have gone unnoticed, the Piano...1983 Will get, I m sure, rave reviews in spécialised press. I Can see music reviewers in non spécialised press giving great reviews for this intemporal release. Whereas to many, 1999 sounds outdated, and wasted by Prince vocal gimmicks. . I know for sure than in France, it would sold better than the PR deluxe. Look at the Elvis Christmas orchestra release one or two years ago, or the many mtv unplugged that sometimes sell better than studio album.

This ain't the Elvis Christmas orchestra album, though. That one was the sort of thing you could pick up in the supermarket's Seasonal aisle for £10 and give to your dad with a bottle of aftershave. You'd expect the sales to be high; they just have to get it into Joe Public's line of sight at the right moment. This isn't even Prince Unplugged. It's an old cassette copy of Prince amusing himself tickling the ivories. I can imagine decent music writers appreciating its charm and enjoying seeing another side of him, but I can also see it getting reviews along the lines of "an intriguing curio for completists, but inessential for most listeners." (Not that I'm overly concerned what reviewers say, either way.)

Nice to have, nonetheless. I just suspect a more contingent reason why it's first out of the Vault.

[Edited 6/9/18 5:49am]

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #403 posted 06/09/18 6:44am

TrevorAyer

Wb sold a ton of pr when p died ... head pr deluxe been released prior or at time of death it would have sold much better ... by the time of pr deluxe release almost every one had just recently repurchased pr ... insome ways 1999 deluxe has a better chance of selling better .. on the other hand ... the industry wb has always hated prince and has tried to ruin his legacy ... it’s not the first time wb released to compete and overshadow with prince indie release .. this p+m is to deter from the tidal p+m ... typical
Reply #404 posted 06/09/18 6:51am

udo

TrevorAyer said:

this p+m is to deter from the tidal p+m ... typical

.

This 1983 P&M and some 2016 P&M might come out?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #405 posted 06/09/18 7:18am

udo

udo said:

This 1983 P&M and some 2016 P&M might come out?

.

No.

2016 P&M is on Tidal.

Under what deal is this happening?

http://tidal.com/#!/playlist/9591c1ee-ea0d-450b-bbfe-7c955f49a131
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #406 posted 06/09/18 7:20am

RODSERLING

udo said:

 



RODSERLING said:


 



udo said:


Or did I make the wrong assumptions?


Please explain.



Moreover, they spent 3 years making the PR deluxe since its original announcement. You can't release 20 reissue albums of this type (3 CD +dvd + booklet) in a short amount of time. Not with the state of Prince sales. Not with incompetents like that.


.


Yes you can!


If one lowers the price (the 1983 P&M is expen$ive) the release will sell.


Thus counting with a one dollar margin for the Estate looks reasonable. (probbaly the 1983 P&M margin is higher)



Piano and Microphone is a better bet. Only 1 track to remasterise, already existing, and completely unreleased.



.


Completely dpeends on who you ask.


.


Completely unreleased by them becuase the release little at a slow pace for a non-cheap price, usually.


But most of that stuff on 1983 P&M was released years ago.


Check them b00tleggars.


.



Moreover as I explained, the album is very short, and so more streaming-able than a 80 minutes reedition of 1999 deluxe. Streaming = sales = charts rankings = the shit now.



.


Streaming is for millennials.


A stream is not even a download.


So the buyer actually receives nothing that remains.


.


If the Estate (who?) chose this 1983 P&M thing, would they release (some of) the 2016 P&M as a follow up?


Wouldn't that be boring for the general public?


As they will not release the full `tour` (22 shows), can we find as a fact that 'others' already released more than they will ever do?


As the market cannot bear the releases is nosense.


Why do a CD with 35 minutes of audio and a vinyl record with the same music, plus a booklet have to cost more than 40 Euros?


Actual prodution cost of this release is below 10 euros.


So where does the rest go?


For €20 they could have given us a 2CD box with 45+ minutes per disc.


.


So they are the cause of the market being unable to bear these releases.


This means that they do not even understand their own actions related to their understanding of the market.


This means that they are unfit to do that work.


I could do it as bad as they do for half their price. lol




It s Funny, because I was criticised when I complained about the lenght of the last Prince albums being too short, and now this is all about " only 35 minutes". Shit. How visionnary I was.
.
This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe. This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs. I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs.
.
Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.
Reply #407 posted 06/09/18 7:24am

RODSERLING

deebee said:

 



RODSERLING said:


deebee said:

 


Certainly seems that PR sales weren't mindblowing. And, from that, it would seem fair for a label to settle on a strategy of targeting the core fanbase for future releases. That seems plausible. But I don't see that it follows from that that tarting up an obscure old bootleg unintended for release is the most lucrative way to tap that market. That seems like playing to the niche of the niche. A well-curated set of first-generation copies of previously bootlegged 'fan favourites, or a 1999 remaster with a second disc, or some pro-shot live shows, etc etc, may well all be niche products in the big wide marketplace, but they'd still surely garner more excitement - and reliable sales - even amongst the limited target audience.

Any difference in 'production costs' must be pretty small beer. Hell, production costs are minimal for reissues in general - hence the reason labels love them. There's no rock star advance to front up, nor an aeon of expensive studio time to buy. And, if the set is to be aimed squarely at a coterie of fans,there's no huge marketing spend. They could even set it at a higher price point, in anticipation of lower overall sales, as we'd all still lap it up.

There's an effort to make this some kind of canny move, when I guess I'm still inclined to see it as a 'best-we-can-do-for-now' job, or an effort to compete with Tidal, using the resources they control - the result of some set of contingencies, rather than part of a grand plan. I take the point that fans should probably lower their expectations, but I suspect there's still money to be made from the rest of the Vault's contents yet.



While I m sure the 1999 deluxe would have gone unnoticed, the Piano...1983 Will get, I m sure, rave reviews in spécialised press. I Can see music reviewers in non spécialised press giving great reviews for this intemporal release. Whereas to many, 1999 sounds outdated, and wasted by Prince vocal gimmicks. . I know for sure than in France, it would sold better than the PR deluxe. Look at the Elvis Christmas orchestra release one or two years ago, or the many mtv unplugged that sometimes sell better than studio album.

This ain't the Elvis Christmas orchestra album, though. That one was the sort of thing you could pick up in the supermarket's Seasonal aisle for £10 and give to your dad with a bottle of aftershave. You'd expect the sales to be high; they just have to get it into Joe Public's line of sight at the right moment. This isn't even Prince Unplugged. It's an old cassette copy of Prince amusing himself tickling the ivories. I can imagine decent music writers appreciating its charm and enjoying seeing another side of him, but I can also see it getting reviews along the lines of "an intriguing curio for completists, but inessential for most listeners." (Not that I'm overly concerned what reviewers say, either way.)

Nice to have, nonetheless. I just suspect a more contingent reason why it's first out of the Vault.

[Edited 6/9/18 5:49am]



I never Saïd the sales Will be high. They won t be. But they Will be higher than a PR Deluxe (130.000 worldwide) and than an hypothetical 1999 deluxe, you Can bet on that
Reply #408 posted 06/09/18 7:29am

RODSERLING

IstenSzek said:

another reason why the PR deluxe didn't sell as well as it could have is that it was hardly
promoted by warners. 

yes, there were 'singles' on spotify. but beyond the press picking up on those and putting
a few articles up, there was nothing coming from warners irrc.

but the main thing is that this was the single 80s prince album that was not in dire need
of a remaster. it sounds just fine the way it was.

to top that off, the remaster was done by an unknown from the prince camp and it does
not sound that good. i still listen to my old purple rain, i have no time for that remaster.

iirc there weren't too many articles or reviews about what a revelation it was to now have
this album and listen to it in all it's remastered glory. because it wasn't that good.

the bonus tracks are great. like them or not, that's just a level of personal taste, but it's
an entire disc full of unknown material (to casual fans at least, and with a few real good
surprises even for us hardcore fans/collectors).

they just promised TWO discs and that was a let down. 

so the bit of hyping they did, they over promised and then under delivered. 

also there were a few glaring rush job mistakes, like the drop out in Erotic City. that was
just sloppy work. 

it goes on and on. there were too many things wrong with it. and yet, despite all that, it's
still a great reissue to own, at least for me. i enjoy the heck out of that bonus disc and i'm
continually listening to it. 

i'm sure that goes for a lot of fans, even if it sold 'only' 250,000. 

coupled with all the other info we have written by people above, it's safe to assume that 
if done correctly and with enough bonus material, all his other albums will sell just as 
many units, if not more.

i refuse to believe, for now, that they are NOT putting together those remasters and going
through all the vault material, compiling bonus discs etc etc, right now at this minute.

warners had limited time to publish this stuff, right? there is a contract that is ticking down
to an end date. so they get 1 more shot at doing this right and milk it for all that it's worth.

and that is just from the money perspective. there must also be people involved behind the
scenes who want to provide the best possible documents on prince's recording output that
they can. we're talking about extremely important musical/cultural history here. there must
be those who want to do right by the music and the man.

it would all be so much better to understand it WB would talk a bit about their plans, what
the schedule for future releases might look like, what they are willing to work on, who they
are bringing in etc etc. not hyping up something, just stating facts. that way releases like
this rehearsal might make more sense. 



You re right, the marketing campaign of PR deluxe was crappy. They were about to make huge promotion, but they stopped everything once they Lost the first avenue vidéo live. This would have been by far the most valable thing of the box set.
.
This live was supposed to be streamed by the estate in Spotify or something, what happened to it?
Reply #409 posted 06/09/18 7:30am

OnlyNDaUsa

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

.

Streaming is for millennials.

A stream is not even a download.

So the buyer actually receives nothing that remains.

.

If the Estate (who?) chose this 1983 P&M thing, would they release (some of) the 2016 P&M as a follow up?

Wouldn't that be boring for the general public?

As they will not release the full `tour` (22 shows), can we find as a fact that 'others' already released more than they will ever do?

As the market cannot bear the releases is nosense.

Why do a CD with 35 minutes of audio and a vinyl record with the same music, plus a booklet have to cost more than 40 Euros?

Actual prodution cost of this release is below 10 euros.

So where does the rest go?

For €20 they could have given us a 2CD box with 45+ minutes per disc.

.

So they are the cause of the market being unable to bear these releases.

This means that they do not even understand their own actions related to their understanding of the market.

This means that they are unfit to do that work.

I could do it as bad as they do for half their price. lol

It s Funny, because I was criticised when I complained about the lenght of the last Prince albums being too short, and now this is all about " only 35 minutes". Shit. How visionnary I was. . This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe. This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs. I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs. . Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

35 is short, especially by today's standard, But "For You" and "Dirty Mind" were shorter.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #410 posted 06/09/18 7:51am

djThunderfunk

databank said:

I am told that the first gen cassette that was found in the vault is unfortunately the only existing source for this recording. They looked for a multitrack and didn't find one. Regardless, it's much better than the X gen tapes that were used for the bootlegs. And at least this one time they're being honest about their source.


yeahthat

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #411 posted 06/09/18 7:58am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

Fortunately, I don't belong to the sad listeners bootleg community, so this would be all new for me.


WTF is the "sad listeners bootleg community"? Bootleg collector's are no more on the same page regarding this release as any other fans. Our opinions vary greatly, it's nonsense to to put us all in one "sad" box.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #412 posted 06/09/18 8:03am

RODSERLING

OnlyNDaUsa said:

 



RODSERLING said:


udo said:

 


.


Streaming is for millennials.


A stream is not even a download.


So the buyer actually receives nothing that remains.


.


If the Estate (who?) chose this 1983 P&M thing, would they release (some of) the 2016 P&M as a follow up?


Wouldn't that be boring for the general public?


As they will not release the full `tour` (22 shows), can we find as a fact that 'others' already released more than they will ever do?


As the market cannot bear the releases is nosense.


Why do a CD with 35 minutes of audio and a vinyl record with the same music, plus a booklet have to cost more than 40 Euros?


Actual prodution cost of this release is below 10 euros.


So where does the rest go?


For €20 they could have given us a 2CD box with 45+ minutes per disc.


.


So they are the cause of the market being unable to bear these releases.


This means that they do not even understand their own actions related to their understanding of the market.


This means that they are unfit to do that work.


I could do it as bad as they do for half their price. lol



It s Funny, because I was criticised when I complained about the lenght of the last Prince albums being too short, and now this is all about " only 35 minutes". Shit. How visionnary I was. . This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe. This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs. I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs. . Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

 


 


 


35 is short, especially by today's standard, But "For You" and "Dirty Mind" were shorter. 


 


 



For today standart, 35 min is not short. Artist makes their albums shorter and shorter because of two économics reasons:
1. It Can stand on one vinyl
2. It is easily streaming-able.
.
Reply #413 posted 06/09/18 8:12am

KingSausage

I’ll be glad to have this set, but I’ll still be upset we don’t have more. They’re sitting on a goldmine. Release it!

If this piano set was one release in a packed schedule, it would be one thing. But as it is, it’s hard to get too excited about it.

I’m illogically impatient for the world at large to hear masterpieces like All My Dreams, Others Here With Us, Adonis & Bathsheba, and other classics. Prince has had so many ups and downs over the past 25 years or so. Putting those A+ unreleased studio tracks out will help cement the legacy of his most innovative period. No matter how many times I rolled my eyes at shit he pulled in recent years, he is still my favorite artist and nobody can even begin to fuck with his 1980-1988 work.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #414 posted 06/09/18 8:17am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.


Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #415 posted 06/09/18 8:20am

KingSausage

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.


Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.




Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #416 posted 06/09/18 8:34am

NorthC

Not only that, you must have listened to them before you can say anything about the sound!
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #417 posted 06/09/18 8:47am

OnlyNDaUsa

NorthC said:

Not only that, you must have listened to them before you can say anything about the sound!



but the released song has hiss throughout... still a nice piece but not earth-shattering or mind-blowing.

I will buy it... I just fear it will not sell well and that will impact future releases.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #418 posted 06/09/18 8:56am

dustoff

udo said:

udo said:

This 1983 P&M and some 2016 P&M might come out?

.

No.

2016 P&M is on Tidal.



Are you talking to yourself?

In any case, that link is definitely not 2016 P&M -- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

Reply #419 posted 06/09/18 9:03am

love2thenines2003

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing lol as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !

Damned double times !!

PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release

[Edited 6/9/18 9:07am]

Reply #420 posted 06/09/18 9:17am

IstenSzek

RODSERLING said:

You re right, the marketing campaign of PR deluxe was crappy. They were about to make huge promotion, but they stopped everything once they Lost the first avenue vidéo live. This would have been by far the most valable thing of the box set. . This live was supposed to be streamed by the estate in Spotify or something, what happened to it?


that's the thing; they don't communicate. if they would just be up front about
what was happening and why certain tings went the way they went, people
wouldn't be speculating and complaining as much because we would be sitting
here with the facts.

although, i must admit, i still might be complaining lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #421 posted 06/09/18 9:23am

mbdtyler

KingSausage said:

I’ll be glad to have this set, but I’ll still be upset we don’t have more. They’re sitting on a goldmine. Release it! If this piano set was one release in a packed schedule, it would be one thing. But as it is, it’s hard to get too excited about it. I’m illogically impatient for the world at large to hear masterpieces like All My Dreams, Others Here With Us, Adonis & Bathsheba, and other classics. Prince has had so many ups and downs over the past 25 years or so. Putting those A+ unreleased studio tracks out will help cement the legacy of his most innovative period. No matter how many times I rolled my eyes at shit he pulled in recent years, he is still my favorite artist and nobody can even begin to fuck with his 1980-1988 work.

This. I think there a lot of people who'd be impressed by the high quality work that Prince never formally released. Maybe some casual fans wouldn't go out of their way to listen to it, but do you really think the casual fans are gonna go out of their way to listen to a one-off piano rehearsal where not even all of the songs are Prince originals?

I think WB & the Estate could please a lot of people by putting out a set of outtakes and unreleased material from 1984 to 1987. One disc could be the final configuration of Dream Factory, and the other discs could contain other outtakes grouped by year or relevance to eachother. Then they could tackle all of the other unreleased material however they wanted to (hopefully in a logical fashion), but I think a release like this would buy them time and please people such as myself.

Reply #422 posted 06/09/18 9:45am

RODSERLING

KingSausage said:

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.


Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.




Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.


Whether it sounds like crap, or the song is not worth making on an album.
.
I liked I Wonder, but this is really an unfinished work. I would be impressed if you could advise me à good unreleased song.
Reply #423 posted 06/09/18 9:56am

KingSausage

RODSERLING said:

KingSausage said:




Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.


Whether it sounds like crap, or the song is not worth making on an album.
.
I liked I Wonder, but this is really an unfinished work. I would be impressed if you could advise me à good unreleased song.



I don’t care for I Wonder. But that’s one out of HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of unreleased tracks. I could name dozens that are high-quality, finished, and ready to go. And that would fit right in on even the best of his albums.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #424 posted 06/09/18 10:02am

Silvertongue7

mbdtyler said:

 



KingSausage said:


I’ll be glad to have this set, but I’ll still be upset we don’t have more. They’re sitting on a goldmine. Release it! If this piano set was one release in a packed schedule, it would be one thing. But as it is, it’s hard to get too excited about it. I’m illogically impatient for the world at large to hear masterpieces like All My Dreams, Others Here With Us, Adonis & Bathsheba, and other classics. Prince has had so many ups and downs over the past 25 years or so. Putting those A+ unreleased studio tracks out will help cement the legacy of his most innovative period. No matter how many times I rolled my eyes at shit he pulled in recent years, he is still my favorite artist and nobody can even begin to fuck with his 1980-1988 work.

 


This. I think there a lot of people who'd be impressed by the high quality work that Prince never formally released. Maybe some casual fans wouldn't go out of their way to listen to it, but do you really think the casual fans are gonna go out of their way to listen to a one-off piano rehearsal where not even all of the songs are Prince originals?


 


I think WB & the Estate could please a lot of people by putting out a set of outtakes and unreleased material from 1984 to 1987. One disc could be the final configuration of Dream Factory, and the other discs could contain other outtakes grouped by year or relevance to eachother. Then they could tackle all of the other unreleased material however they wanted to (hopefully in a logical fashion), but I think a release like this would buy them time and please people such as myself.


When I read Troy’s interview a few weeks back and he mentioned that they were going to release outstanding music focused on one specific era I made (mentally) a tracklist that I would have loved, even though I already had the music. It would be something like this:
All My Dreams
In a Large Room with No Light
Train
Adonis and Bathsheba
Cosmic Day
Wally
Come Elektra Tuesday
Emotional Pump
Coco Boys
Empty Room
I’m not very good at remembering dates, but I think they were all recorded within two years more or less. And how much better would this be than this bloody rehearsal???
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #425 posted 06/09/18 10:23am

OnlyNDaUsa

Silvertongue7 said:

mbdtyler said:

This. I think there a lot of people who'd be impressed by the high quality work that Prince never formally released. Maybe some casual fans wouldn't go out of their way to listen to it, but do you really think the casual fans are gonna go out of their way to listen to a one-off piano rehearsal where not even all of the songs are Prince originals?

I think WB & the Estate could please a lot of people by putting out a set of outtakes and unreleased material from 1984 to 1987. One disc could be the final configuration of Dream Factory, and the other discs could contain other outtakes grouped by year or relevance to eachother. Then they could tackle all of the other unreleased material however they wanted to (hopefully in a logical fashion), but I think a release like this would buy them time and please people such as myself.

When I read Troy’s interview a few weeks back and he mentioned that they were going to release outstanding music focused on one specific era I made (mentally) a tracklist that I would have loved, even though I already had the music. It would be something like this: All My Dreams In a Large Room with No Light Train Adonis and Bathsheba Cosmic Day Wally Come Elektra Tuesday Emotional Pump Coco Boys Empty Room I’m not very good at remembering dates, but I think they were all recorded within two years more or less. And how much better would this be than this bloody rehearsal???

that is a nice set... and other than the rest of "Cosmic Day" and what I think to be the first half of "Wally" we have all that... which is NOT the issue... my issue would one of worry that we the big collectors already have most of what is left... But yeah that would be a NICE set! (I hope the cassette tape Susan mentioned of the original wally is found!)

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #426 posted 06/09/18 10:25am

OnlyNDaUsa

KingSausage said:

RODSERLING said:
Whether it sounds like crap, or the song is not worth making on an album. . I liked I Wonder, but this is really an unfinished work. I would be impressed if you could advise me à good unreleased song.
I don’t care for I Wonder. But that’s one out of HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of unreleased tracks. I could name dozens that are high-quality, finished, and ready to go. And that would fit right in on even the best of his albums.

I mentioned to someone that Prince had at least 2 new albums coming out in the next year and they were confused. I was like 'how long have you known me?" you know he has 100s if not over 1000 unreleased songs... and they were like 'really' and I named a few and they were like "but those are so good... i thought they were....those are not released?"

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #427 posted 06/09/18 10:28am

Silvertongue7

OnlyNDaUsa said:

 



Silvertongue7 said:


mbdtyler said:

 


 


This. I think there a lot of people who'd be impressed by the high quality work that Prince never formally released. Maybe some casual fans wouldn't go out of their way to listen to it, but do you really think the casual fans are gonna go out of their way to listen to a one-off piano rehearsal where not even all of the songs are Prince originals?


 


I think WB & the Estate could please a lot of people by putting out a set of outtakes and unreleased material from 1984 to 1987. One disc could be the final configuration of Dream Factory, and the other discs could contain other outtakes grouped by year or relevance to eachother. Then they could tackle all of the other unreleased material however they wanted to (hopefully in a logical fashion), but I think a release like this would buy them time and please people such as myself.



When I read Troy’s interview a few weeks back and he mentioned that they were going to release outstanding music focused on one specific era I made (mentally) a tracklist that I would have loved, even though I already had the music. It would be something like this: All My Dreams In a Large Room with No Light Train Adonis and Bathsheba Cosmic Day Wally Come Elektra Tuesday Emotional Pump Coco Boys Empty Room I’m not very good at remembering dates, but I think they were all recorded within two years more or less. And how much better would this be than this bloody rehearsal???

 


 


that is a nice set... and other than the rest of "Cosmic Day" and what I think to be the first half of "Wally"  we have all that... which is NOT the issue... my issue would one of worry that we the big collectors already have most of what is left...   But yeah that would be a NICE set!  (I hope the cassette tape Susan mentioned of the original wally is found!)


I know, but that’s my point. I wouldn’t complain if a set like this (or something similar, that’s just songs I like that go together well) was released. It’s my fault that I already have most of it. It’s just that I find the rehearsal such a mind-blowingly underwhelming choice, particularly when there is so much to choose from!
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #428 posted 06/09/18 11:19am

poppys

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

Reply #429 posted 06/09/18 11:37am

IstenSzek

just to make the point that outtakes are in fact very much great songs and often are circulating
in very good quality. i tend to make 'albums' of era specific outtakes, padded out with b-sides
and non album tracks. this enhances the listening pleasure for me since it makes you listen to
the songs in another way as opposed to just listening to an outtake 200 times and then get too
bored or over familliar with it.

anyway, this is one of my favourite projects and for me it rivals any official release in sheer
amount of brilliant songs.


01. The Rebirth Of The Flesh

02. Dream Factory

03. Good Love

04. Crucial
05. Come Elektra Tuesday

06. Sexual Suicide

07. Splash
08. Alexa de Paris [12'']
09. Emotional Pump
10. Witness 4 The Prosecution
11. Yo Mister
12. Love or $ [12'']
13. Power Fantastic

01. She's Always In My Hair [12'']
02. Hello [12'']
03. Make Ur Mama Happy
04. Coco Boys
05. Girl [12'']
06. Adonis & Bathsheba
07. Big Tall Wall
08. Conversation Piece
09. Eternity
10. Train
11. Others Here With Us
12. Old Friends 4 Sale
13. All My Dreams


01. The Ball
02. Feel U Up [Long Stroke]
03. Baby Go-Go
04. Large Room With No Light
05. Neon Telephone
06. 101
07. Can I Play With U?
08. Shockadelica [12'']
09. 4 The Tears In Your Eyes
10. Moviestar
11. A Place In Heaven
12. Crystal Ball
13. Empty Room



music


if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).








and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #430 posted 06/09/18 11:50am

Strive

love2thenines2003 said:

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing lol  as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this  unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !


 


Damned double times !!


 


 


 


PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release

[Edited 6/9/18 9:07am]



The Estate really needs to study how MCA and Experience Hendrix handled Jimi's posthumous career in the 90s/2000s.

They had a live show of related and influenced by artists touring. First Rays Of The Rising Sun was the opening salvo and was quickly followed up by South Saturn Delta. Two new albums compiled of unreleased studio material. They let MCA distribute the big live releases and boxsets. They made Dagger Records so they could self-release more niche content like lesser known soundboards and demo work yearly. They also explained why each release was important and the history behind them.

It took them about 15 years to empty the vault of material he's created over 4 years. Prince's vault is infinitely larger.

The idea behind this release isn't bad but it really should have been released on his birthday with the announcement of a full album made from unreleased studio material for September. That way you could drive sales of P&AM83 with a tease of what's coming. Buy it and get [whatever single from the September release] today.

They also need to study Experience Hendrix and Sony as an example of what not to do. They focused on video when nobody in his fanbase cared about that, they compiled new albums by splicing together multiple takes of songs & passing them off as "new", they burned out the fanbase with nothing reissues and the only thing left of any value (Black Gold) is being sat on with no release in sight. They just shit stuff out with no reason as to why.
[Edited 6/9/18 12:14pm]
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #431 posted 06/09/18 11:56am

poppys

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:


if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).


Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.

Reply #432 posted 06/09/18 12:00pm

IstenSzek

poppys said:

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:


if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).


Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.


i don't know. i don't see it quite as dramatic as that. although i do see his and your point, sure.

but i'll gladly pay for these tracks once they are released. i would have paid prince for them if
he'd chosen to release them.

i chose to support prince in everything he did and was always a paying member of all his sites,
bought his albums (multiple times) and his singles. went to shows.

this product was out there, on the internet. i wasn't going to ignore it simply because prince
did not want me to listen to it.

and prince was always rather vague about it anyway. in the end he said it was ok to listen to
stuff (especially live shows) but not to sell it.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #433 posted 06/09/18 12:00pm

NorthC

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15


Of course it's illegal. The whole bootleg trade is illegal, yet that never stopped anyone from buying them. If you like an artist so much that you're willing to listen to low quality tapes of him noodling around on the piano, then that means you're a fan. And fans buy everything the artist releases, so it's not like Prince lost any money because of us bootleg collectors. On the contrary, we're the ones who bought albums like Exodus and Chaos & Disorder that no one else was interested in. Why would we not get out hands on The Dream Factory or The Flesh if we get the chance? Beat the bootleggers at their own game, that's the only way. Bob Dylan started his Bootleg Series in 1991 and it's up to Volume 13 by now with Volume 14 coming up. And all Prince's fans are getting is a Purple Rain Deluxe with only 1 CD of outtakes and a rehearsal one year later. Now do you see why folks complain?
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #434 posted 06/09/18 12:05pm

BartVanHemelen

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

.

I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.

.

This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.

.

Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.

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Reply #435 posted 06/09/18 12:12pm

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

.

I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.

.

This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.

.

Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.

You are absolutely correct.

This has nothing to do with "fans not appreciating, or ever being happy about a release"... This is not about "oh, we already have this boot, but this one comes in much better sound quality, so hearing it in better sound quality will give us a better feeling...:

No, this is about an estate not thinking, not thinking for the fans, or not thinking about the legacy, if you want to even go that deep into it.

This is not a good first posthumous release. What was the three releases on different vinyl Nothing Compares 2 U about?? Just out of nowhere, it should've been linked to a release that had to do with that era or something..

Bart is absolutely correct, at best this release should've been included as a bonus disc, not an official release... Not the FIRST OFFICIAL POSTHUMOUS RELEASE... This is just a very incorrect move by the estate. This is not subjective or objective anymore... It's simply the wrong choice.

Reply #436 posted 06/09/18 12:15pm

poppys

BartVanHemelen said:

poppys said:

I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists.

.

I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.

.

This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.

.

Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.


Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.


Reply #437 posted 06/09/18 12:15pm

feeluupp

And to stir the pot more... How little effort it shows that the first official posthumous release is just an existing boot with almost the identical tracklist... It's like they didn't even sit down and come up with the track list themselves, they just said oh heres the boot we will use this... Lets add a nice box, some pictures, and charge the fans $40 plus shipping.

Reply #438 posted 06/09/18 12:19pm

Graycap23

feeluupp said:

And to stir the pot more... How little effort it shows that the first official posthumous release is just an existing boot with almost the identical tracklist... It's like they didn't even sit down and come up with the track list themselves, they just said oh heres the boot we will use this... Lets add a nice box, some pictures, and charge the fans $40 plus shipping.

Exactly.

Yes....I'm in a Cult. We brainwash people into THINKING ............4 Themselves. FAMILIAR BONDAGE OVER FOREIGN FREEDOM
Reply #439 posted 06/09/18 12:24pm

feeluupp

Also I don't want to hear the argument "oh prince fans feel a certain entitlement, blah blah..." No the issue is why would they release this as the first posthumous release when there is so much more amazing material in the vault. I mean worried about the music being released is one... It seems like they don't even care about the video and visual material either... They don't even release any first avenue footage for the PR DELUXE release, they just took the old VHS version of the REVOLUTION LIVE concert and stuck it with the disks... I mean who is in charge at the estate, really I want to know. What's going on.

I'm not even one of those picky prince fans that nit pick and complain about everything, but this release is just absurd... It's not right.

Reply #440 posted 06/09/18 12:43pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

KingSausage said:

djThunderfunk said:


Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.

Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.


Just be thankful for the FREE music you get.

yeahthat music

I will never buy boots, never have.

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #441 posted 06/09/18 12:43pm

KingSausage

poppys said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



poppys said:


I see now why bootlegging pissed Prince off so much by reading this thread. People's absolute need to obtain his unreleased work - even justifying stealing it. It's not like he didn't release way more than most artists. 



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I don't give a fig about his post-1995 output, regardless of how much there was. I care a fuckload about all that great stuff from the mid-1980s that was rotting in a vault. And now we're in 2018, and all of that great music is still not available, and if it ever will be it will likely remain unheard by much of the people who would have adored this stuff back in the 1980s or even 1990s.


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This 1983 piano rehearsal is at best one of half a dozen bonus discs in a box set. To release it as some kind of major event is just ridiculous.


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Oh, and there was an easy solution to Prince's problem: he could have released all that music, obliterating bootleggers.




Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.





Who else’s fault would be it if not Prince’s (and now the estate’s)? He sat on this great music for decades and jeopardized the physical security of the tapes themselves. Yes, it’s his art and he could do whatever he wanted to it. But that means accepting the consequences of his actions (or inaction). Primarily, a thriving market for bootlegs that put most of his official releases from the past 25 years to absolute shame. For a guy who was so proud of allegedly pushing the envelope on using the internet for music distribution, and who was often chasing that next dollar, he sure missed many chances to put all this shit out there for easy purchase.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #442 posted 06/09/18 12:45pm

KingSausage

luv4u said:

 



KingSausage said:


djThunderfunk said:

 



Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.



Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.


Just be thankful what you get




yeahthat music



I’m thankful that I ordered this set and will listen to it probably a few times. I’m also thankful — VERY thankful — that I have an unholy fuck-ton of bootlegs.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #443 posted 06/09/18 12:46pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:


Just be thankful what you get



yeahthat music

I’m thankful that I ordered this set and will listen to it probably a few times. I’m also thankful — VERY thankful — that I have an unholy fuck-ton of bootlegs.


I don't 'buy' boots. lol

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #444 posted 06/09/18 12:46pm

KingSausage

luv4u said:

 



KingSausage said:


djThunderfunk said:

 



Some sound like crap. Some sound WORSE than crap.... and some sound FANTASTIC.

And everything in between.



Exactly. There are MANY Prince bootlegs that sound fantastic. To say bootlegs sound like crap is a ridiculous blanket statement.


Just be thankful for the FREE music you get.

yeahthat music

I will never buy boots, never have.


 




I’ll reply to your edited post too. :)

I’m CRAZY thankful for all the free boots I’ve received over the years. I regret paying for boots in the late 90s. I would gladly have given that money to Prince for official versions of that music.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #445 posted 06/09/18 12:48pm

KingSausage

luv4u said:

 



KingSausage said:


luv4u said:

 



Just be thankful what you get




yeahthat music



I’m thankful that I ordered this set and will listen to it probably a few times. I’m also thankful — VERY thankful — that I have an unholy fuck-ton of bootlegs.


I don't 'buy' boots.   lol




I think we missed a few lines here...when did I mention you “buying” boots?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #446 posted 06/09/18 12:49pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:


I don't 'buy' boots. lol

I think we missed a few lines here...when did I mention you “buying” boots?


I was just saying ......... lol

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #447 posted 06/09/18 12:51pm

KingSausage

luv4u said:

 



KingSausage said:


luv4u said:

 



I don't 'buy' boots.   lol



I think we missed a few lines here...when did I mention you “buying” boots?


I was just saying ..... lol




Gotcha. lol

I really hate that I ever paid for boots. Nobody should pay for them.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #448 posted 06/09/18 12:56pm

Graycap23

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:


Just be thankful for the FREE music you get.

yeahthat music

I will never buy boots, never have.

I’ll reply to your edited post too. smile I’m CRAZY thankful for all the free boots I’ve received over the years. I regret paying for boots in the late 90s. I would gladly have given that money to Prince for official versions of that music.

It would have been cheaper. Boots were expensive back in the day.

Yes....I'm in a Cult. We brainwash people into THINKING ............4 Themselves. FAMILIAR BONDAGE OVER FOREIGN FREEDOM
Reply #449 posted 06/09/18 2:16pm

mmart2008

Genesia said:

djThunderfunk said:

As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.




clapping

Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !

Reply #450 posted 06/09/18 2:37pm

Silvertongue7

mmart2008 said:

 



Genesia said:


 



djThunderfunk said:


As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.






clapping



Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !


 


We’re missing Prince’s vocals in most protege’s songs, better sounding versions of some boots we have, full version of a few songs we only have in partial form and hopefully a few more songs that are not circulating, be it 80s or later.
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #451 posted 06/09/18 2:39pm

NorthC

mmart2008 said:

 



Genesia said:


 



djThunderfunk said:


As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.






clapping



Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !


 


Yes, sometimes I think that too, maybe we've already heard the best stuff. About his later years, I recall one orger saying something like, "who knows how many deeply religious songs there are are in the vault that he knows no one wants to hear."
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #452 posted 06/09/18 2:41pm

poppys

KingSausage said:

poppys said:


Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.


Who else’s fault would be it if not Prince’s (and now the estate’s)? He sat on this great music for decades and jeopardized the physical security of the tapes themselves. Yes, it’s his art and he could do whatever he wanted to it. But that means accepting the consequences of his actions (or inaction). Primarily, a thriving market for bootlegs that put most of his official releases from the past 25 years to absolute shame. For a guy who was so proud of allegedly pushing the envelope on using the internet for music distribution, and who was often chasing that next dollar, he sure missed many chances to put all this shit out there for easy purchase.


It was Prince's choice, not his fault. HE WAS THE GODHEAD. You really don't get it. Maybe never will. That's on you.

You'd pick the flesh off his bones because you need to eat MORE of his creativity to feel pleasure. And did.

I knew shit would rain for posting about this at all, but Good Gawd Y'all. Takers.


Reply #453 posted 06/09/18 3:10pm

djThunderfunk

poppys said:

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:


if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).


Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.


That's one way to look at it. Another way is, SOMBEBODY ELSE already stole from the source and distributed it, it's already stolen and already being shared and enjoyed, why not listen to it?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #454 posted 06/09/18 3:12pm

djThunderfunk

Strive said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing lol as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !

Damned double times !!

PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release

[Edited 6/9/18 9:07am]

The Estate really needs to study how MCA and Experience Hendrix handled Jimi's posthumous career in the 90s/2000s. They had a live show of related and influenced by artists touring. First Rays Of The Rising Sun was the opening salvo and was quickly followed up by South Saturn Delta. Two new albums compiled of unreleased studio material. They let MCA distribute the big live releases and boxsets. They made Dagger Records so they could self-release more niche content like lesser known soundboards and demo work yearly. They also explained why each release was important and the history behind them. It took them about 15 years to empty the vault of material he's created over 4 years. Prince's vault is infinitely larger. The idea behind this release isn't bad but it really should have been released on his birthday with the announcement of a full album made from unreleased studio material for September. That way you could drive sales of P&AM83 with a tease of what's coming. Buy it and get [whatever single from the September release] today. They also need to study Experience Hendrix and Sony as an example of what not to do. They focused on video when nobody in his fanbase cared about that, they compiled new albums by splicing together multiple takes of songs & passing them off as "new", they burned out the fanbase with nothing reissues and the only thing left of any value (Black Gold) is being sat on with no release in sight. They just shit stuff out with no reason as to why. [Edited 6/9/18 12:14pm]


There absolutely needs to be 2 distribution plans, one for the mainstream and one of obscure "fans only" releases (like this one we're discussing), Dagger Records (and the NPGMC) provide good models for this.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #455 posted 06/09/18 3:22pm

NorthC

poppys said:

 



KingSausage said:


poppys said:

 



Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.




Who else’s fault would be it if not Prince’s (and now the estate’s)? He sat on this great music for decades and jeopardized the physical security of the tapes themselves. Yes, it’s his art and he could do whatever he wanted to it. But that means accepting the consequences of his actions (or inaction). Primarily, a thriving market for bootlegs that put most of his official releases from the past 25 years to absolute shame. For a guy who was so proud of allegedly pushing the envelope on using the internet for music distribution, and who was often chasing that next dollar, he sure missed many chances to put all this shit out there for easy purchase.


It was Prince's choice, not his fault. HE WAS THE GODHEAD. You really don't get it. Maybe never will. That's on you.

You'd pick the flesh off his bones because you need to eat MORE of his creativity to feel pleasure. And did.

I knew shit would rain for posting about this at all, but Good Gawd Y'all. Takers.



Stop being such a drama queen. Unreleased music was available and people got a chance to listen to it. And they did. That's all there is to it.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #456 posted 06/09/18 3:24pm

djThunderfunk

mmart2008 said:

Genesia said:


clapping

Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !


Nope. I don't have any of the stuff the "elite" traders are hoarding. Not only that, tons of stuff has leaked in the 2 years since Prince passed, and, tons of stuff I've never heard is listed on PrinceVault. Not only that, but the Prince tightened the ship so very little from the last 20 years of his career leaked, and, I for one am a fan of his entire career, not just the 80s heyday, so, I'm looking forward to hearing that stuff as well.

So, nope, I don't think I have everything that's in the vault. Not even close.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #457 posted 06/09/18 3:27pm

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:

 



Strive said:


love2thenines2003 said:

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing lol  as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this  unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !


 


Damned double times !!


 


 


 


PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release


[Edited 6/9/18 9:07am]



The Estate really needs to study how MCA and Experience Hendrix handled Jimi's posthumous career in the 90s/2000s. They had a live show of related and influenced by artists touring. First Rays Of The Rising Sun was the opening salvo and was quickly followed up by South Saturn Delta. Two new albums compiled of unreleased studio material. They let MCA distribute the big live releases and boxsets. They made Dagger Records so they could self-release more niche content like lesser known soundboards and demo work yearly. They also explained why each release was important and the history behind them. It took them about 15 years to empty the vault of material he's created over 4 years. Prince's vault is infinitely larger. The idea behind this release isn't bad but it really should have been released on his birthday with the announcement of a full album made from unreleased studio material for September. That way you could drive sales of P&AM83 with a tease of what's coming. Buy it and get [whatever single from the September release] today. They also need to study Experience Hendrix and Sony as an example of what not to do. They focused on video when nobody in his fanbase cared about that, they compiled new albums by splicing together multiple takes of songs & passing them off as "new", they burned out the fanbase with nothing reissues and the only thing left of any value (Black Gold) is being sat on with no release in sight. They just shit stuff out with no reason as to why. [Edited 6/9/18 12:14pm]


There absolutely needs to be 2 distribution plans, one for the mainstream and one of obscure "fans only" releases (like this one we're discussing), Dagger Records (and the NPGMC) provide good models for this.


Or Bob Dylan's Bootleg Series:
_Double CD for the casual fans
-Double LP for the vinyl freaks
-Multi CD box for the collectors.
But I don't think that's ever going to happen with Prince.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #458 posted 06/09/18 3:28pm

poppys


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.

Reply #459 posted 06/09/18 3:29pm

FunkiestOne

KingSausage said:

luv4u said:


I was just saying ......... lol

Gotcha. lol I really hate that I ever paid for boots. Nobody should pay for them.

Actually, if no one paid for them, then the bootleggers wouldn't have an incentive to produce the and distribute the music. So actually, everyone should pay for boots.

Reply #460 posted 06/09/18 3:32pm

djThunderfunk

I don't get why people are complaing about the pricing. The Purple Rain Remaster LP cost more than this LP and the NC2U 7'' cost 10 freaking dollars. If you want to go the cheap route with this one, don't pre-order, pick up the CD in stores the week it comes out and I bet it will be $10-11.

Hell, I paid $28 for the vinyl bootleg of this 30 years ago and that one sounded like shit. Waaaaaay worse than the Mary Don't You Weep track people are complaining about. It sounds absolutely pristine when compared to the bootlegs of this set that I've heard.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #461 posted 06/09/18 3:35pm

NorthC

poppys said:


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.


Did you read anything the other posters were writing? Especially the parts about the archive releases of other acts?
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #462 posted 06/09/18 3:40pm

IstenSzek

poppys said:


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.


well, that's us told off, then smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #463 posted 06/09/18 4:06pm

poppys

IstenSzek said:

poppys said:


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.



well, that's us told off, then smile

Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.

Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.



Reply #464 posted 06/09/18 4:21pm

djThunderfunk

lol

I collected bootlegs while Prince was alive and openly talked about them here knowing he monitored this site... but now I'm supposed to feel guilty because of holier than thou fans chastising me for it?

falloff Naw, I'm cool with it. lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #465 posted 06/09/18 4:38pm

poppys


The upshot is that PRINCE released what he wanted released and then, eat crumbs, I'm dead.

Reply #466 posted 06/09/18 5:22pm

rdhull

Actully Prince was pretty smart not releasing all that music. Look at the demand for it. Not to mention the worth it can foster.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #467 posted 06/09/18 7:39pm

udo

RODSERLING said:

This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe.

.

You did not notice you heard the music on disc one before?

.

This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs.

.

It is.

They thought that we could not keep up. Thus stuff disappeared in the vault.

Thus there was more to leak.

They care about sales. So they release stuff that we already heard. I see a problem there.

.

I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs.

.

We will not get a 1999 deluxe as it will not sell as PR deluxe did not sell.

.

. Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

.

Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #468 posted 06/09/18 7:42pm

udo

dustoff said:

- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

.

Why then title them as they were?

Sorta click bait?

And why expect me to verify streams?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #469 posted 06/09/18 8:00pm

KingSausage

poppys said:

 



IstenSzek said:


 



poppys said:



There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.





well, that's us told off, then smile



 


Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.
 
Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.







I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #470 posted 06/09/18 8:02pm

KingSausage

FunkiestOne said:

 



KingSausage said:


luv4u said:

 



I was just saying ..... lol



Gotcha. lol I really hate that I ever paid for boots. Nobody should pay for them.

 


Actually, if no one paid for them, then the bootleggers wouldn't have an incentive to produce the and distribute the music.   So actually, everyone should pay for boots.




Hell no. I’m all in favor of the model in which one person takes a hit for the team and buys some new release from Eye or whatever, and then shares the files far and wide. Release it!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #471 posted 06/09/18 10:00pm

TrivialPursuit

Strive said:

TrivialPursuit said:


HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.

Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com...lboard-200


It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
Reply #472 posted 06/09/18 11:37pm

RODSERLING

TrivialPursuit said:

 



Strive said:


TrivialPursuit said:

 



HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.



Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7857763/prince-purple-rain-reissue-top-five-albums-chart-billboard-200


It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD). 

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB. 

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.


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Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US.
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It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop.
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I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for.
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I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny
Reply #473 posted 06/09/18 11:56pm

RODSERLING

udo said:

 



RODSERLING said:



This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe.

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You did not notice you heard the music on disc one before?


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This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs.

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It is.


They thought that we could not keep up. Thus stuff disappeared in the vault.


Thus there was more to leak.


They care about sales. So they release stuff that we already heard. I see a problem there.


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I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs.

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We will not get a 1999 deluxe as it will not sell as PR deluxe did not sell.


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. Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?



When I talk about the deluxe version, of course I am talking about CD3.
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Almost everything he did in the 80s is already bootlegged. How Can Wb release something new for you illegal listened? Impossible situation, After stealing most of the vault for free during Prince lifetime, now that he is Dead, to get new music, the only solution is to resurect him, and to force him to record new music in à studio.
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Personnally, the audio is as important as the music. If I Can t listened à song on a good audio matériel, there is no point to it. Moreover, from what I heard, it was sub par material that couldn fit on an album. Prince wasn't crazy, if his unreleased songs were so good he would have released it.
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For instance, I Always heard that "wonderfull ass" was one of his best unreleasrd song...hum, it is on PR deluxe, while the production is enjoyable, the song is subpar material at best.
Reply #474 posted 06/10/18 12:10am

udo

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?

When I talk about the deluxe version, of course I am talking about CD3.

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Did I imply otherwise?

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lmost everything he did in the 80s is already bootlegged.

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Estimates abou t vault contents vary.

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How Can Wb release something new for you illegal listened?

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'Illegal' is a construct., espcially in the area of 'intellectual property' which in itself is a construct, a fabrication.

Then they decided the market could not absurd more than one album per year, so how can it now?

.

For instance, I Always heard that "wonderfull ass" was one of his best unreleasrd song...hum, it is on PR deluxe, while the production is enjoyable, the song is subpar material at best.

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Tastes can vary between subjects.

From your indications one could determine that all we get from the vaults are ~35 minutes of music on CD, one release per year, for perhaps 15 years or so.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #475 posted 06/10/18 12:17am

SoulAlive

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:


It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.

. Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US. . It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop. . I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for. . I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny

Why are you so obsessed with how many copies are being sold? rolleyes You come into these threads with all of these sales figures,which you probably memorized (lol).I don't get it,what is your point? You seem almost happy to point out that something is a "flop".What is your agenda/purpose on this site?

Reply #476 posted 06/10/18 1:47am

SoulAlive

Graycap23 said:

Who in the hell is making decision over at WB? With all of the material that they found, this is the best they could come up with?

I feel the same way.Still gonna buy it,though smile

Reply #477 posted 06/10/18 1:58am

RODSERLING

SoulAlive said:

 



RODSERLING said:


TrivialPursuit said:

 



It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD). 

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB. 

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.



. Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US. . It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop. . I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for. . I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny

 


 


Why are you so obsessed with how many copies are being sold?  rolleyes  You come into these threads with all of these sales figures,which you probably memorized (lol).I don't get it,what is your point? You seem almost happy to point out that something is a "flop".What is your agenda/purpose on this site? 



What is the purpose of this topic? To whine about à release? Who cares? What is your agenda on this site?
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Why would I be happy that à Prince album makes a flop? On the contrary, I had high hopes on PR deluxe sales. I just point it out the Real sales. It s just the truth.

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You are all whining about the fact they won t release 1999 deluxe, but hey, they released PR deluxe last year and even many orgers here didn t buy it.So all your 15 pages of wonderings, interrogations and whinings could be sum up in the sales of PR deluxe.

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Even if 1999 deluxe were released we all know that most of you would complain about it and threaten to not buy it, because they already have it on their damned bootleggs.
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My posts are not less irrelevant on the matter than yours, I m sorry. I already told last year that sales of the PR deluxe Will determine the future released. I was right. That s why sales are more important than individual tastes.
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Reply #478 posted 06/10/18 2:51am

love2thenines2003

I really hope that new things will b leaked soon to forget this crappy release that WBR and Estate are ready to release!
Reply #479 posted 06/10/18 4:50am

dustoff

udo said:

dustoff said:

- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

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Why then title them as they were?

Sorta click bait?

And why expect me to verify streams?


You claimed that P&M 2016 was on Tidal, and provided a link.

It took only a cursory glance at the material to know that your claim wasn't true.

Then you ask, "Why should I be expected to verify what I say on this board?"


That's rich, i gotta say.

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Reply #480 posted 06/10/18 8:20am

alb69

.....Uderwelming , this release........ confused

Reply #481 posted 06/10/18 8:38am

poppys

KingSausage said:

poppys said:

Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.

Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.



I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done.


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15

Reply #482 posted 06/10/18 9:22am

KingSausage

poppys said:

 



KingSausage said:


poppys said:

 


 


Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.
 
Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.






I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done. 


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15 




Am I supposed to care that he didn’t want me to listen to bootlegs? Good lord. I couldn’t care less. He said and did many things I don’t agree with. I was his fan, not a loyal servant.

And I’m “done”? Ha. Nope. I’ll be enjoying all these awesome bootlegs for years to come. I’m sorry you’ll never have a chance to hear this music. It’s really good!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #483 posted 06/10/18 9:48am

TrivialPursuit

I'm just curious why some so-called fans are rooting so hard for failure. That says 100% more about the person than Prince. Prince had his awards in life, internal and external. And his killjoys have theirs. RodSerling, Bart - they all revel in the negativity.

The rest of us? We're just enjoying the music and celebrating the life.

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
Reply #484 posted 06/10/18 10:54am

leecaldon

poppys said:

KingSausage said:

poppys said: I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done.


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15

If he had left a will, he could have prevented us from hearing any unreleased material. He did not. That was his choice.

Reply #485 posted 06/10/18 11:21am

djThunderfunk

KingSausage said:

poppys said:


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done.


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15

Am I supposed to care that he didn’t want me to listen to bootlegs? Good lord. I couldn’t care less. He said and did many things I don’t agree with. I was his fan, not a loyal servant. And I’m “done”? Ha. Nope. I’ll be enjoying all these awesome bootlegs for years to come. I’m sorry you’ll never have a chance to hear this music. It’s really good!


lol We're being trolled. I laughed when Prince asked us to send him our bootlegs and I'm laughing at this attempt at a guilt trip. I'm not going to stop listening to them because it triggers somebody on the org. music evillol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #486 posted 06/10/18 11:28am

SoulAlive

poppys said:

KingSausage said:

poppys said: I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done.


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15

Oh please rolleyes if Prince was really sooooooo concerned about "people stealing music from him",he would not have been so careless with his music in the first place.It's well-known that he routinely handed out tapes of unreleased songs to friends and associates.He even admitted that he understands a fan's desire to hear bootlegs,because as a teen,he was the same way with James Brown bootlegs.

Reply #487 posted 06/10/18 11:41am

EddieC

poppys said:

KingSausage said:

poppys said: I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done.


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15

You're quoting from an interview which was pulled from publication because apparently he had problems with its representation of him--you're not to supposed to have read it, at least according to Prince. So--either his opinion matters to you, or it doesn't. But if it does, don't bring this interview into it.

Reply #488 posted 06/10/18 11:44am

EddieC

djThunderfunk said:

KingSausage said:

poppys said: Am I supposed to care that he didn’t want me to listen to bootlegs? Good lord. I couldn’t care less. He said and did many things I don’t agree with. I was his fan, not a loyal servant. And I’m “done”? Ha. Nope. I’ll be enjoying all these awesome bootlegs for years to come. I’m sorry you’ll never have a chance to hear this music. It’s really good!


lol We're being trolled. I laughed when Prince asked us to send him our bootlegs and I'm laughing at this attempt at a guilt trip. I'm not going to stop listening to them because it triggers somebody on the org. music evillol

I always suspected that he might do a Zappa Beat the Boots thing with whatever anyone sent to him anyway. Even if he had perfect recordings for a show, he'd just release the boots officially (as some are claiming the estate is doing now)--so "good fans" would buy them.

Reply #489 posted 06/10/18 11:48am

IstenSzek

love2thenines2003 said:

I really hope that new things will b leaked soon to forget this crappy release that WBR and Estate are ready to release!


no doubt you will have the inside scoop on what's coming, before long. smile


wait, too soon? lol boxed



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #490 posted 06/10/18 11:58am

NorthC

Now that we are on the subject of "stealing" music anyway, does anyone else feel that WB are somewhat "stealing" the "Piano & Microphone" title for this project?
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #491 posted 06/10/18 12:19pm

poppys


No one said stop listening to his music. That is just where this is getting taken in order to justify doing what he didn't want people to do. Get his art without him being paid for it. He didn't like it.

If you don't like the article I quoted from there are many many more of those comments from him in plenty of other press.

You're not done taking whatever you can Sausage, I understand.

Reply #492 posted 06/10/18 12:27pm

PennyPurple

NorthC said:

Now that we are on the subject of "stealing" music anyway, does anyone else feel that WB are somewhat "stealing" the "Piano & Microphone" title for this project?

Yep.

Reply #493 posted 06/10/18 12:38pm

206Michelle

Listening to Mary Don't You Weep for the first time today and it is brilliant! The Gospel-style vocals with the bluesy/jazzy piano is amazing. I love it!

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #494 posted 06/10/18 12:45pm

206Michelle

thx185 said:

I'm good with this and look forward to having it! I think the choice makes perfect sense as a ramp-up for an upcoming Piano & A Microphone 2016 release. This is the kind of stuff I want to see released from the vault - cohesive collections that show Prince's genius. While I'd generally prefer full band recordings to solo piano, I prefer this cohesive release to a random selection of unreleased songs.

This is the kind of stuff I want to see released from the vault - cohesive collections that show Prince's genius.

yeahthat

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #495 posted 06/10/18 12:58pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #496 posted 06/10/18 1:00pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

djThunderfunk said:

I laughed when Prince asked us to send him our bootlegs ,............


Yeah I remember that email from back in the day lol

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #497 posted 06/10/18 1:04pm

KingSausage

206Michelle said:

 



thx185 said:


I'm good with this and look forward to having it! I think the choice makes perfect sense as a ramp-up for an upcoming Piano & A Microphone 2016 release. This is the kind of stuff I want to see released from the vault - cohesive collections that show Prince's genius. While I'd generally prefer full band recordings to solo piano, I prefer this cohesive release to a random selection of unreleased songs.



This is the kind of stuff I want to see released from the vault - cohesive collections that show Prince's genius.


yeahthat



This shows Prince’s talent and perhaps glimpses of genius, but I think it’s a real stretch to call it either “cohesive” or “a collection” in any true sense.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #498 posted 06/10/18 1:07pm

feeluupp

KingSausage said:

206Michelle said:

This is the kind of stuff I want to see released from the vault - cohesive collections that show Prince's genius.

yeahthat

This shows Prince’s talent and perhaps glimpses of genius, but I think it’s a real stretch to call it either “cohesive” or “a collection” in any true sense.

Guess we can call it a boot then lol

Reply #499 posted 06/10/18 1:35pm

djThunderfunk

EddieC said:

poppys said:


What you would have told Prince doesn't really matter. This is not about you - get it?


Here's the reason I'm getting emotional (which is not a negative by the way). The guy, in his own words, said 4 months before his death that he did not like people stealing music from him. It never stopped pissing him off, probably wore away at him for decades. I am really starting to understand by reading, even this thread alone, how far some of his fans were/are removed from caring about that. I also understand why he did not leave a will. My guess is that was on purpose - when I'm done, you're done.


"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Prince - Ebony 12/23/15

You're quoting from an interview which was pulled from publication because apparently he had problems with its representation of him--you're not to supposed to have read it, at least according to Prince. So--either his opinion matters to you, or it doesn't. But if it does, don't bring this interview into it.



falloff lol lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #500 posted 06/10/18 5:57pm

SilverNight

djThunderfunk said:

I laughed when Prince asked us to send him our bootlegs and I'm laughing at this attempt at a guilt trip.



On a lark, I sent Paisley Park a copy of my High album boot on CD-r, and got an official Prince graphic tee in the mail weeks later, which I lost when I moved. True story. wink

Everybody wants what they don't got.
Reply #501 posted 06/10/18 6:13pm

TrivialPursuit

djThunderfunk said:

I laughed when Prince asked us to send him our bootlegs


My first thought was "but you have the original". LOL

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Reply #502 posted 06/10/18 7:34pm

udo

TrivialPursuit said:

We're just enjoying the music and celebrating the life.

.

If you read more closely:

I am pointing out the lack of 'new' music we are going to hear for quite a while now.

Celebrating someone's life here is proportional to these releases.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #503 posted 06/10/18 7:54pm

rdhull

Having thought about it, this is nothing to worry about. This is only been two years since his passing. There are many more years where all kinds of material will be released (regardless of how any previous release did sales wise etc.). Some future releases will be raved about, some will be criticized. It's important to note that they shouldnt release huge compilations of unheard music at once that some are expecting, but spread out throughtut the next decade(s).

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #504 posted 06/11/18 6:30am

fen

Personally, I’m quite encouraged by this release. It may be somewhat underwhelming from our perspective (as die-hards/collectors), but it illustrates that they're willing to put out less mainstream releases if it serves to showcase his pure musicality. This is the kind of thing that I assumed would be languishing in the vault for years, and releasing it to a broader audience is a good thing.



I’m not sure that I understand the cynicism regarding their motivations.

Reply #505 posted 06/11/18 6:38am

fen

Graycap23 said:

KingSausage said:

luv4u said: I’ll reply to your edited post too. smile I’m CRAZY thankful for all the free boots I’ve received over the years. I regret paying for boots in the late 90s. I would gladly have given that money to Prince for official versions of that music.

It would have been cheaper. Boots were expensive back in the day.

I would take fortnightly pilgrimages to Camden in the 90s (pre widespread internet). I’d visit Prince’s shop for the symbol shaped candles and other tat, pay my respects and catch up on the latest news, but I’d head to the market for the music. The contrast was quite stark, unless you wanted endless copies of the Goldnigga cd. smile

Reply #506 posted 06/11/18 7:10am

KingSausage

fen said:

 



Graycap23 said:


 



KingSausage said:


luv4u said: I’ll reply to your edited post too. smile I’m CRAZY thankful for all the free boots I’ve received over the years. I regret paying for boots in the late 90s. I would gladly have given that money to Prince for official versions of that music.

It would have been cheaper. Boots were expensive back in the day.



 


I would take fortnightly pilgrimages to Camden in the 90s (pre widespread internet). I’d visit Prince’s shop for the symbol shaped candles and other tat, pay my respects and catch up on the latest news, but I’d head to the market for the music. The contrast was quite stark, unless you wanted endless copies of the Goldnigga cd. smile




I bought multiple copies of Goldnigga with the deleted track “Guess Who’s Knockin’” at the 2000 Paisley Park garage sale. Sold them all for a nice profit. Thanks, Prince!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #507 posted 06/11/18 7:38am

KingSausage

Another point regarding the people who are all whining “but but but Prince didn’t want us to buy bootlegs blah blah fucking blah” — Prince also said he didn’t want people to buy The Black Album. I’m guessing most of those Whiny MFs own a copy of The Black Album. As they should, because it’s fantastic.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #508 posted 06/11/18 7:56am

AMERICA1ST

Hasnt ever real collector had these tracks for decades? I hate the bulsshit way they are trickling shit out over months. WHy not make a compilation that is substantial and accessible to everyone. Even some hardcore fans cant keep up with chicken shit marketing tactics like let one track out every 3-6 months.

Reply #509 posted 06/11/18 8:48am

NorthC

KingSausage said:

Another point regarding the people who are all whining “but but but Prince didn’t want us to buy bootlegs blah blah fucking blah” — Prince also said he didn’t want people to buy The Black Album. I’m guessing most of those Whiny MFs own a copy of The Black Album. As they should, because it’s fantastic.

As you know, the Black Album was officially released, so ever since 1994, it doesn't really count as a bootleg anymore.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #510 posted 06/11/18 9:05am

wonderboy

I would have stopped being a Prince fan long ago had it not been for bootlegs. Some eras just did not interest me at all but during those times I still had waves of bootlegs coming my way, most of which I did not have to pay for. Traded for free.

I still bought all of his official stuff and will continue to, again, thanks to bootlegs for keeping me interested.
Reply #511 posted 06/11/18 9:22am

SchlomoThaHomo

The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?"


brick

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #512 posted 06/11/18 9:27am

KingSausage

NorthC said:

KingSausage said:

Another point regarding the people who are all whining “but but but Prince didn’t want us to buy bootlegs blah blah fucking blah” — Prince also said he didn’t want people to buy The Black Album. I’m guessing most of those Whiny MFs own a copy of The Black Album. As they should, because it’s fantastic.

As you know, the Black Album was officially released, so ever since 1994, it doesn't really count as a bootleg anymore.



Of course. But I’m not talking about its official vs bootleg status. I’m just talking about people who say “Prince didn’t want fans to _____” like it’s the 11th Commandment or something.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #513 posted 06/11/18 9:28am

KingSausage

SchlomoThaHomo said:

The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?" 


brick




Yep. THIS. And pretty soon the public will stop paying attention.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #514 posted 06/11/18 9:46am

Strive

SchlomoThaHomo said:

The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?" 


brick




It's kinda funny because I read an explanation on a third party site that helped explain the relevance of this release. If Warner would have included a history lesson for those less informed, it would've been less of a ??? moment.

Still a stupid decision to release this over a collection of studio outtakes but it wouldn't have been as stupid.
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Reply #515 posted 06/11/18 10:02am

databank

SchlomoThaHomo said:

The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?"


brick

I think we'll see if their bet was a good one when we read the reviews in the music press.

.

Most critics probably won't know (or mention) that we're talking of a classic bootleg, and most people in the general public won't ever know either. So that won't be much cause for debate outside of the Org.

.

Again, remember how PR Deluxe was received: praise, praise and more praise. There wasn't a single reviewer (that I know of) to talk about any of the issues on it, not even the glitch on EC (which would have been the most visible issue for non fans).

.

It may sound puzzling to us because we have hard drives full of soundboard live shows, mindblowing outtakes and incredible rehearsals, many of them in pretty good if not excellent sound quality.

.

But objectively, for this majority of people who are not spoiledlike us, including reviewers, this is gonna be a cool little record showcasing a rare, intimate side of Prince playing relatively accessible music. I'm pretty sure my GF will love it. I'm pretty sure anyone who likes Prince a little and cares for an R&B singer and a piano will like it. It's just like a whole record in the vein of HCUDCMA, and who doesn't like HCUDCMA?

.

So yeah, it's a puzzling decision at first but when you think of it, it's not crazy like, say, if they released "Prince's original vocal versions of the Carmen Electra album". And another factor, I suspect, is that it's a cheap, quick and easy option: there isn't much to restore, no tracklist to think about, no mixing to do, no baking tapes or whatever: just take the cassette, clean it a little, master it and here you go: we have a 35mn long new album, ready to go!

.

Like I said, let's wait for the professional reviews: I may be wrong but I bet it's gonna be praise, praise and more praise.

[Edited 6/11/18 10:03am]

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Reply #516 posted 06/11/18 10:30am

deebee

databank said:

I think we'll see if their bet was a good one when we read the reviews in the music press.

.

Like I said, let's wait for the professional reviews: I may be wrong but I bet it's gonna be praise, praise and more praise.

[Edited 6/11/18 10:03am]

Why should that be the main metric for deciding on the success of this (or any other) release? I can understand looking at sales, because there's a incontestable commercial logic to that. And I can understand going by fans' and ordinary listeners' feedback, because that's ultimately the point of a music release. But why on earth should what paid reviewers think matter more than either of those?

There are many reviews these days that say little contentious and regurgitate the press release. The 'quality' music press is more discerning, and I often enjoy reading reviews. But still, what does it matter?? After all, it'd be peculiar for anyone to say: "Well, I don't think much of it myself, and it tanked on charts, but Rolling Stone gave it five stars!"

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #517 posted 06/11/18 10:32am

IstenSzek

databank said:


And another factor, I suspect, is that it's a cheap, quick and easy option: there isn't much to restore, no tracklist to think about, no mixing to do, no baking tapes or whatever: just take the cassette, clean it a little, master it and here you go: we have a 35mn long new album, ready to go!



to me it feels like, and i hope i'm right on this, as if they are going through the vault,
cataogueing things, possibly already mastering certain things, figuring out what song
would go with what album reissue in regards to time recorded, personell invovled etc.

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

so i'm not that pissed off anymore. i guess it's just a waiting game. let's see if they're
going to start trickling out information about reissues toward the very end of the year.

i'm guessing they will.



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #518 posted 06/11/18 10:36am

deebee

IstenSzek said:

databank said:


And another factor, I suspect, is that it's a cheap, quick and easy option: there isn't much to restore, no tracklist to think about, no mixing to do, no baking tapes or whatever: just take the cassette, clean it a little, master it and here you go: we have a 35mn long new album, ready to go!



to me it feels like, and i hope i'm right on this, as if they are going through the vault,
cataogueing things, possibly already mastering certain things, figuring out what song
would go with what album reissue in regards to time recorded, personell invovled etc.

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

so i'm not that pissed off anymore. i guess it's just a waiting game. let's see if they're
going to start trickling out information about reissues toward the very end of the year.

i'm guessing they will.



yeahthat

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #519 posted 06/11/18 10:37am

databank

deebee said:

databank said:

I think we'll see if their bet was a good one when we read the reviews in the music press.

.

Like I said, let's wait for the professional reviews: I may be wrong but I bet it's gonna be praise, praise and more praise.

[Edited 6/11/18 10:03am]

Why should that be the main metric for deciding on the success of this (or any other) release? I can understand looking at sales, because there's a incontestable commercial logic to that. And I can understand going by fans' and ordinary listeners' feedback, because that's ultimately the point of a music release. But why on earth should what paid reviewers think matter more than either of those?

There are many reviews these days that say little contentious and regurgitate the press release. The 'quality' music press is more discerning, and I often enjoy reading reviews. But still, what does it matter?? After all, it'd be peculiar for anyone to say: "Well, I don't think much of it myself, and it tanked on charts, but Rolling Stone gave it five stars!"

Well, usually the 2 metrics for the success of any work of art is usually sales and critical response.

Fans and ordinary listeners' feedback are more difficult to measure.

For movies now Rotten Tomatoes allow regular folks' reception to be measured (to some extent, because not everyone votes and the vocal majority might in fact be a minority), and I guess there must be sites allowing audience ratings for music as well, but IDK if any is popular enough to weight in.

[Edited 6/11/18 10:38am]

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Reply #520 posted 06/11/18 11:34am

paisleypark4

SchlomoThaHomo said:

The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?"


brick

Right nod

I mean Wonderful Ass, We Can Fu** and Possessed are in much higher quality than this...I can see this being a bonus release with a 1999 Remaster but...mmm..

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Reply #521 posted 06/11/18 11:44am

NorthC

deebee said:

 



databank said:


I think we'll see if their bet was a good one when we read the reviews in the music press.


.


 


Like I said, let's wait for the professional reviews: I may be wrong but I bet it's gonna be praise, praise and more praise.


[Edited 6/11/18 10:03am]



Why should that be the main metric for deciding on the success of this (or any other) release? I can understand looking at sales, because there's a incontestable commercial logic to that. And I can understand going by fans' and ordinary listeners' feedback, because that's ultimately the point of a music release. But why on earth should what paid reviewers think matter more than either of those?

There are many reviews these days that say little contentious and regurgitate the press release. The 'quality' music press is more discerning, and I often enjoy reading reviews. But still, what does it matter?? After all, it'd be peculiar for anyone to say: "Well, I don't think much of it myself, and it tanked on charts, but Rolling Stone gave it five stars!"


That's sorta what happened to Prince in the early 80s: he didn't have big hits, but be was praised by the music press and that surely helped to build his reputation. And I agree with data that this release will probably get good reviews and there might even be a few journos who know that it was an old bootleg. Plenty to write about.
But of course, like record sales, the influence of the music press isn't what it used to be.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #522 posted 06/11/18 11:49am

NorthC

paisleypark4 said:

 



SchlomoThaHomo said:


The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?" 


brick



Right nod

I mean Wonderful Ass, We Can Fu** and Possessed are in much higher quality than this...I can see this being a bonus release with a 1999 Remaster but...mmm..


Why does everyone go on and on about a 1999 remaster? Fuck that. I don't want it. I already have that album. That's one good thing about this upcoming release: at least I don't have to buy an album I already own to get it.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #523 posted 06/11/18 12:19pm

deebee

databank said:

deebee said:

Why should that be the main metric for deciding on the success of this (or any other) release? I can understand looking at sales, because there's a incontestable commercial logic to that. And I can understand going by fans' and ordinary listeners' feedback, because that's ultimately the point of a music release. But why on earth should what paid reviewers think matter more than either of those?

There are many reviews these days that say little contentious and regurgitate the press release. The 'quality' music press is more discerning, and I often enjoy reading reviews. But still, what does it matter?? After all, it'd be peculiar for anyone to say: "Well, I don't think much of it myself, and it tanked on charts, but Rolling Stone gave it five stars!"

Well, usually the 2 metrics for the success of any work of art is usually sales and critical response.

Fans and ordinary listeners' feedback are more difficult to measure.

For movies now Rotten Tomatoes allow regular folks' reception to be measured (to some extent, because not everyone votes and the vocal majority might in fact be a minority), and I guess there must be sites allowing audience ratings for music as well, but IDK if any is popular enough to weight in.

[Edited 6/11/18 10:38am]

I like that response, though I'm not sure it's quite what's conveyed by enjoining us to "wait for the professional reviews." That sounds a way of privileging 'expert' opinion over that of all these ungrateful, whinging laymen (aka fans). But, for me, ordinary people's enjoyment of the product is the only really important metric of success in all of this. Sales and good reviews are important insofar as they enable and help promote that, but they're just a means to an end. The end is the enjoyment we unwashed amateurs derive from it, whether the journos concur or not.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #524 posted 06/11/18 12:21pm

deebee

NorthC said:

deebee said:

Why should that be the main metric for deciding on the success of this (or any other) release? I can understand looking at sales, because there's a incontestable commercial logic to that. And I can understand going by fans' and ordinary listeners' feedback, because that's ultimately the point of a music release. But why on earth should what paid reviewers think matter more than either of those?

There are many reviews these days that say little contentious and regurgitate the press release. The 'quality' music press is more discerning, and I often enjoy reading reviews. But still, what does it matter?? After all, it'd be peculiar for anyone to say: "Well, I don't think much of it myself, and it tanked on charts, but Rolling Stone gave it five stars!"

That's sorta what happened to Prince in the early 80s: he didn't have big hits, but be was praised by the music press and that surely helped to build his reputation. And I agree with data that this release will probably get good reviews and there might even be a few journos who know that it was an old bootleg. Plenty to write about. But of course, like record sales, the influence of the music press isn't what it used to be.

Yes, I agree it's important as a means to an end. I just mean it's not an end in itself - or a trump card.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #525 posted 06/11/18 1:06pm

OperatingThetan

All these dinosaurs preoccupied with chart positions.

The scene has changed dramatically. And chart positions never were an indicator of quality or artistic success anyway. Today, they're irrelevant to most people, particularly regarding a legacy artist like Prince.

The key is a more general awareness on multiple platforms.

The majority of Prince's music may have to be served to hardcore fans through a premium subscriber service. That's where the demand is and I have no issue with that.

Casual fans can be catered to with sporadic releases of wider commercial merit, but the new WB release, while interesting, is not that.
Reply #526 posted 06/11/18 2:01pm

luvsexy4all

for those whove been around since the early 80's ...remember how u got hooked????? is WB following THAT pattern???

Reply #527 posted 06/11/18 2:05pm

databank

deebee said:

 



databank said:


 



deebee said:


 


Why should that be the main metric for deciding on the success of this (or any other) release? I can understand looking at sales, because there's a incontestable commercial logic to that. And I can understand going by fans' and ordinary listeners' feedback, because that's ultimately the point of a music release. But why on earth should what paid reviewers think matter more than either of those?

There are many reviews these days that say little contentious and regurgitate the press release. The 'quality' music press is more discerning, and I often enjoy reading reviews. But still, what does it matter?? After all, it'd be peculiar for anyone to say: "Well, I don't think much of it myself, and it tanked on charts, but Rolling Stone gave it five stars!"



Well, usually the 2 metrics for the success of any work of art is usually sales and critical response.


Fans and ordinary listeners' feedback are more difficult to measure. 


For movies now Rotten Tomatoes allow regular folks' reception to be measured (to some extent, because not everyone votes and the vocal majority might in fact be a minority), and I guess there must be sites allowing audience ratings for music as well, but IDK if any is popular enough to weight in.


 


[Edited 6/11/18 10:38am]



I like that response, though I'm not sure it's quite what's conveyed by enjoining us to "wait for the professional reviews." That sounds a way of privileging 'expert' opinion over that of all these ungrateful, whinging laymen (aka fans). But, for me, ordinary people's enjoyment of the product is the only really important metric of success in all of this. Sales and good reviews are important insofar as they enable and help promote that, but they're just a means to an end. The end is the enjoyment we unwashed amateurs derive from it, whether the journos concur or not. 


I guess it's complicated: many professional reviews are lazy pieces of writing written by hacks but they can also be the true measure of an artist's importance (David Lynch's moderate commercial success vs critical acclaim is an obvious example, Bill Laswell is another). The opinion of critics, peers, scholars, hardcore fans, hipsters and ordinary folks all matter but not all are equally measured. Sales (or streams nowadays) are a weak indicator at most because popularity is at the mercy of marketing and the vast majority of people don't necessarily have developped acquired tastes. On the other hand when you're very familiar with an artist it can sometimes be shocking to see how professional critics know nothing of an artist, but their words are those that music historians will quote. My point, I guess, is that critical acclaim and commercial success are the 2 things that history books and Wikipedia are likely to remember, so like it or not, they matter. How this record (of all records) sells won't tell us much because it's not made to be a smash hit, at least I don't believe it is. So in the end we're left with the reviews, for better or worse.
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Reply #528 posted 06/11/18 2:45pm

eyewishuheaven

IstenSzek said:

databank said:


And another factor, I suspect, is that it's a cheap, quick and easy option: there isn't much to restore, no tracklist to think about, no mixing to do, no baking tapes or whatever: just take the cassette, clean it a little, master it and here you go: we have a 35mn long new album, ready to go!



to me it feels like, and i hope i'm right on this, as if they are going through the vault,
cataogueing things, possibly already mastering certain things, figuring out what song
would go with what album reissue in regards to time recorded, personell invovled etc.

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

so i'm not that pissed off anymore. i guess it's just a waiting game. let's see if they're
going to start trickling out information about reissues toward the very end of the year.

i'm guessing they will.




I like the way you think. Hopefully this is the case.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #529 posted 06/11/18 3:12pm

deebee

databank said:

deebee said:

I like that response, though I'm not sure it's quite what's conveyed by enjoining us to "wait for the professional reviews." That sounds a way of privileging 'expert' opinion over that of all these ungrateful, whinging laymen (aka fans). But, for me, ordinary people's enjoyment of the product is the only really important metric of success in all of this. Sales and good reviews are important insofar as they enable and help promote that, but they're just a means to an end. The end is the enjoyment we unwashed amateurs derive from it, whether the journos concur or not.

I guess it's complicated: many professional reviews are lazy pieces of writing written by hacks but they can also be the true measure of an artist's importance (David Lynch's moderate commercial success vs critical acclaim is an obvious example, Bill Laswell is another). The opinion of critics, peers, scholars, hardcore fans, hipsters and ordinary folks all matter but not all are equally measured. Sales (or streams nowadays) are a weak indicator at most because popularity is at the mercy of marketing and the vast majority of people don't necessarily have developped acquired tastes. On the other hand when you're very familiar with an artist it can sometimes be shocking to see how professional critics know nothing of an artist, but their words are those that music historians will quote. My point, I guess, is that critical acclaim and commercial success are the 2 things that history books and Wikipedia are likely to remember, so like it or not, they matter. How this record (of all records) sells won't tell us much because it's not made to be a smash hit, at least I don't believe it is. So in the end we're left with the reviews, for better or worse.

That seems a remarkably elitist view of music - that the opinion of ordinary listeners counts for less than that of these 'professional' critics with their "developed acquired tastes." I'd say that at the heart of our discussion is the question of what the 'use' of music - and perhaps all art - is. For me, it is that it contributes something to ordinary people's lives - be it entertainment, spiritual enrichment, whatever you get from it. That's undoubtedly what this particular artist made music for (not the acclaim of professional critics), and, when you strip everything else away, that's all that matters.

I don't deny, of course, that both sales and published reviews matter. The first serves to bankroll music production and distribution; the latter helps offer a handy public estimation of its value; and both can serve as useful measures of how well a project's doing, at least in the public arena. But, as suggested, they're merely means to an end; and it seems rather tragic if "commercial success vs critical acclaim" become the only gauges of worth we can perceive, since they're both removed from whatever the music in question actually does for our own lives.

So, yes, to wrap this up: it'll certainly be interesting to read the reviews, but whatever they say, good or bad, won't serve to 'trump' the opinions of ordinary listeners and fans - at least, as I see it.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #530 posted 06/11/18 4:26pm

Moonbeam

NorthC said:

paisleypark4 said:

 



SchlomoThaHomo said:


The more I think about this release, the more mystified I am by it. This is the estate's public introduction to The Vault? 35 minutes of Prince doodling at the piano, sourced from a cassette that isn't even in great condition (judging by the clear defects in Mary)??

According to Susan Rogers, there is a very strong team of advisors working on this, including a long time fan/collector (who must certainly have a copy of Eavesdropped in his collection), and this is the one that made all of them say, "Yep. This is what we need to put out to let the public know what were sitting on?" 


brick



Right nod

I mean Wonderful Ass, We Can Fu** and Possessed are in much higher quality than this...I can see this being a bonus release with a 1999 Remaster but...mmm..


Why does everyone go on and on about a 1999 remaster? Fuck that. I don't want it. I already have that album. That's one good thing about this upcoming release: at least I don't have to buy an album I already own to get it.


There are a few reasons for me. First, it's my favorite Prince album and I won't mind paying for it again (I have already bought it across various formats at least a dozen times). Second, I think this is the only viable way in which we will get lots of associated content: as bonus material. If this is the manner in which we get access to the era-associated outtakes, tour footage, etc., I welcome it. Finally and most importantly, 1999 does not sound very good on CD currently. Aside from being mixed too quietly, the synths don't burst with as much life as they do on vinyl. There is no guarantee that a remaster would be better on the whole, but here's hoping.

That said, I welcome this Piano & A Microphone 1983 release and will fully support it.
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Reply #531 posted 06/11/18 8:29pm

controversy99

This is AWESOME news. Generally speaking, I’d rather get songs that I’ve never heard before, and I’ve certainly heard the Intimate Momsnts bootleg. But it’s one of my absolute favorite boots, and the sound quality on mine is terrible, so an official released is a fantastic idea, imo.

I’m amazed at all the complaining on this thread. Please step back for a momment. This rehearsal has some of Prince’s best live vocals and great piano playing. I can already see myself wearing out the groove by putting this on repeat.
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Reply #532 posted 06/11/18 10:04pm

Graycap23

Intimate Moments Revisted boot was fairly clean. I need to pull it out and compare it to video that was posted. I thought that boot was pretty clean if i remember correctly.
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Reply #533 posted 06/11/18 10:12pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Graycap23 said:

Intimate Moments Revisted boot was fairly clean. I need to pull it out and compare it to video that was posted. I thought that boot was pretty clean if i remember correctly.


I was listening to that last night lol

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Reply #534 posted 06/12/18 12:37am

dodger

IstenSzek said:

databank said:


And another factor, I suspect, is that it's a cheap, quick and easy option: there isn't much to restore, no tracklist to think about, no mixing to do, no baking tapes or whatever: just take the cassette, clean it a little, master it and here you go: we have a 35mn long new album, ready to go!



to me it feels like, and i hope i'm right on this, as if they are going through the vault,
cataogueing things, possibly already mastering certain things, figuring out what song
would go with what album reissue in regards to time recorded, personell invovled etc.

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

so i'm not that pissed off anymore. i guess it's just a waiting game. let's see if they're
going to start trickling out information about reissues toward the very end of the year.

i'm guessing they will.



Someone's had their plus sign today. sym_yes.gif

Let's hope so but hard to be optimistic. As Schlomo says you have to wonder if this team of advisors had bothered to research this rehearsal to find out most P fans would have had this years ago..

[Edited 6/12/18 0:37am]

[Edited 6/12/18 0:37am]

Reply #535 posted 06/12/18 1:54am

JorisE73

deebee said:

databank said:

deebee said: I guess it's complicated: many professional reviews are lazy pieces of writing written by hacks but they can also be the true measure of an artist's importance (David Lynch's moderate commercial success vs critical acclaim is an obvious example, Bill Laswell is another). The opinion of critics, peers, scholars, hardcore fans, hipsters and ordinary folks all matter but not all are equally measured. Sales (or streams nowadays) are a weak indicator at most because popularity is at the mercy of marketing and the vast majority of people don't necessarily have developped acquired tastes. On the other hand when you're very familiar with an artist it can sometimes be shocking to see how professional critics know nothing of an artist, but their words are those that music historians will quote. My point, I guess, is that critical acclaim and commercial success are the 2 things that history books and Wikipedia are likely to remember, so like it or not, they matter. How this record (of all records) sells won't tell us much because it's not made to be a smash hit, at least I don't believe it is. So in the end we're left with the reviews, for better or worse.

That seems a remarkably elitist view of music - that the opinion of ordinary listeners counts for less than that of these 'professional' critics with their "developed acquired tastes." I'd say that at the heart of our discussion is the question of what the 'use' of music - and perhaps all art - is. For me, it is that it contributes something to ordinary people's lives - be it entertainment, spiritual enrichment, whatever you get from it. That's undoubtedly what this particular artist made music for (not the acclaim of professional critics), and, when you strip everything else away, that's all that matters.

I don't deny, of course, that both sales and published reviews matter. The first serves to bankroll music production and distribution; the latter helps offer a handy public estimation of its value; and both can serve as useful measures of how well a project's doing, at least in the public arena. But, as suggested, they're merely means to an end; and it seems rather tragic if "commercial success vs critical acclaim" become the only gauges of worth we can perceive, since they're both removed from whatever the music in question actually does for our own lives.

So, yes, to wrap this up: it'll certainly be interesting to read the reviews, but whatever they say, good or bad, won't serve to 'trump' the opinions of ordinary listeners and fans - at least, as I see it.

In my opinion reviews only matter for sales. I don't think it important what others think of something I do or do not like and it doesn't change my opinon on something or how the music makes me feel. If I like it than why should I care what some Pro reviewer or my neighbor think of it? Reviews and reviewers are just marketing tools.

Reply #536 posted 06/12/18 3:36am

databank

deebee said:

databank said:

deebee said: I guess it's complicated: many professional reviews are lazy pieces of writing written by hacks but they can also be the true measure of an artist's importance (David Lynch's moderate commercial success vs critical acclaim is an obvious example, Bill Laswell is another). The opinion of critics, peers, scholars, hardcore fans, hipsters and ordinary folks all matter but not all are equally measured. Sales (or streams nowadays) are a weak indicator at most because popularity is at the mercy of marketing and the vast majority of people don't necessarily have developped acquired tastes. On the other hand when you're very familiar with an artist it can sometimes be shocking to see how professional critics know nothing of an artist, but their words are those that music historians will quote. My point, I guess, is that critical acclaim and commercial success are the 2 things that history books and Wikipedia are likely to remember, so like it or not, they matter. How this record (of all records) sells won't tell us much because it's not made to be a smash hit, at least I don't believe it is. So in the end we're left with the reviews, for better or worse.

That seems a remarkably elitist view of music - that the opinion of ordinary listeners counts for less than that of these 'professional' critics with their "developed acquired tastes." I'd say that at the heart of our discussion is the question of what the 'use' of music - and perhaps all art - is. For me, it is that it contributes something to ordinary people's lives - be it entertainment, spiritual enrichment, whatever you get from it. That's undoubtedly what this particular artist made music for (not the acclaim of professional critics), and, when you strip everything else away, that's all that matters.

I don't deny, of course, that both sales and published reviews matter. The first serves to bankroll music production and distribution; the latter helps offer a handy public estimation of its value; and both can serve as useful measures of how well a project's doing, at least in the public arena. But, as suggested, they're merely means to an end; and it seems rather tragic if "commercial success vs critical acclaim" become the only gauges of worth we can perceive, since they're both removed from whatever the music in question actually does for our own lives.

So, yes, to wrap this up: it'll certainly be interesting to read the reviews, but whatever they say, good or bad, won't serve to 'trump' the opinions of ordinary listeners and fans - at least, as I see it.

I certainly am an elitist and no, I do not think that everyone's opinion on any given topic has the same value. I take full responsibility for that.

.

However you certainly have a point, but the problem remains that we have no real mean to objectively gauge the public perception of any given piece of work. The internet certainly helps but not everyone takes the time to express their perception of any given work, like I said earlier a minority of extremely vocal people can give the impression they speak for the bulk of us, when they don't. So IDK. I have no solution to offer.

.

But in the end I also believe (right or wrong) that most "ordinary" listeners and fans are going to enjoy this release, as long as a blues piano and vocals record fits their musical tastes (obviously, there are people who'd never listen to a piano and vocals R&B album no matter who records it). Our perception of whether this is or not the "right" release is very much biased by the fact that 1. we have been familiar with this particular recording for 25 years and 2. we have an unusual knowledge of what type of other recordings are there in the vault, that could have been released instead. It's a bit like Crystal Ball (1998), one orger once wrote that it was judged [by hardcore fans who knew bootlegs] for what it wasn't much more than for what it was. I agree with this statement (again, right or wrong).

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Reply #537 posted 06/12/18 3:45am

andrewm7

just listening back to back to the tidal version of “Mary don’t you weep” and the boot version of this rehearsal and I wanted to express my hope to those in charge of these things that this new album should be sourced from the best available recording regardless of its provenance.
Reply #538 posted 06/12/18 6:36am

BartVanHemelen

IstenSzek said:

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

.

If this was one of four releases this year: sure. As the first "independent" (= not an expanded version of a classic album) release, 2.5 years after Prince's death? Ridiculous.

.



that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

.

There comes a certain point at which you need to feed the donkey instead of waving a carrot in front of him. PR Deluxe was already somewhat of a disappointment, and this upcoming release feels overhyped.

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Reply #539 posted 06/12/18 6:51am

udo

IstenSzek said:

to me it feels like, and i hope i'm right on this, as if they are going through the vault,
cataogueing things, possibly already mastering certain things, figuring out what song
would go with what album reissue in regards to time recorded, personell invovled etc.

.

`They are avoiding both the hassle and work for now and put out this quickie`?

.

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

.

That someone that does not knwo this side of Prince and thus was not looking for it anyways. Tehy want hits. Are there any hits on this release?

.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

.

The pricing most certainly does not reflect the ease and lightness of this process as you describe it.

The pricing is more fit for a sub-300 boutique release qith certain specific qualities.

.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a

release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

.

Would it be so hard to find the P&M 2016 recordings?

Would these be so hard to clean up, master, track, etc?

Would these not be seen as the most epic perfromances P did in his whole career?

If only they would do the final performance isntead of the whole 'tour' (because the market cannot bear all that), how much more work would it be than this 35 minute thingie?

.

that way it's actually a bonus release,

.

A bonus release would be not that expen$ive.

.

in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye

.

Looking at the price, again, they could have a big promotional budget so time will tell if your assumption is right.

so i'm not that pissed off anymore. i guess it's just a waiting game. let's see if they're
going to start trickling out information about reissues toward the very end of the year.

i'm guessing they will.

.

Sure, take a look again at how early they release info about this 35 minute thingie.

It is not about communicating as they lied about the PR remastered release.

It is about the actual goods and the pace we are able to buy them, first.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #540 posted 06/12/18 9:04am

IstenSzek

BartVanHemelen said:

IstenSzek said:

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

.

If this was one of four releases this year: sure. As the first "independent" (= not an expanded version of a classic album) release, 2.5 years after Prince's death? Ridiculous.

.



that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

.

There comes a certain point at which you need to feed the donkey instead of waving a carrot in front of him. PR Deluxe was already somewhat of a disappointment, and this upcoming release feels overhyped.


oh i know, but as prince fans since the 80's most of us suffer from battered wives syndrome by now lol

we just roll with the punches and continue to think 'it will get better, next time we will get exactly
what we were promised and it will be absolutely fantastic!'

and then the release is either cancelled or we pay money and get only half of what we were told we
would get. so we just don our sunglasses again and step outside, all 'no it's ok, it's fine, really' cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #541 posted 06/12/18 9:39am

IstenSzek

IstenSzek said:

to me it feels like, and i hope i'm right on this, as if they are going through the vault,
cataogueing things, possibly already mastering certain things, figuring out what song
would go with what album reissue in regards to time recorded, personell invovled etc.

.

`They are avoiding both the hassle and work for now and put out this quickie`?

i don't really know what to answer to your question. as you often do, you ask questions to

which the answer is either already stated or the answer to which is one that only you can

give since you ask a question as if it were posed to you, yet redirect it at someone else. i'm

usuallly quite confused by what you write, state or ask.

.

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

.

That someone that does not knwo this side of Prince and thus was not looking for it anyways. Tehy want hits. Are there any hits on this release?

same thing. i don't know who is working with them. troy said they call him from time to time to let
him know they've found a gem. well, who 'they' are, i don't know. what i do know is that we likely
have 60-70% of the 80s outtakes or at least know about them. but we've been fans for 30 years
and have been collecting all this stuff. there are people who were fans for 30 years who own only a
handful of bootlegs and outtakes. so unless you let someone like militant or such in on the process,
there will always be statements made that something amazing was discovered that we need to hear,
only to have it turn out we already know and think there are many more way more amazing things
they haven't mentioned, which they should have bumped into by now if they are going through the
vault in chronological order.

anyway, i digress. it doesn't seem like they are looking for a hit, at least not right now. but there
are many threads about that already and about why it's unlikely that prince will have another song
top the charts. an album release could sell very well, relative to what the corresponding market is
moving in units these days. but this album does not seem designed to be a mega seller in any way.


.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

.

The pricing most certainly does not reflect the ease and lightness of this process as you describe it.

The pricing is more fit for a sub-300 boutique release qith certain specific qualities.

i didn't find the cd to be too highly priced though. the deluxe package is nice for people who collect
vinyl and want that extra booklet. but in the meantime we have the chance to buy just the cd or even better a download once the set hits the release date. if the download is 10 dollars, that's fair imo. for
those who want the LP, the CD and the booklet, well, 40 dollars isn't THAT much, is it? just because a
release isn't something they've spent 100,000 dollars on cleaning up, doesn't mean we don't have to
at least pay a fair price for it. we got this shit for free in the past, but that was on us and it wasn't
through proper, legal channels. just because this is a record company/streaming service/whatever
and not prince personally doesn't mean i'm not going to pay for the releases anymore. i'm tired of
stealing official releases. i'd rather pay for the few that are worth purchasing instead of just streaming.

.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a

release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

.

Would it be so hard to find the P&M 2016 recordings?

it's not hard to find them, it's probably not possible for warners to simply release them since they
might not be theirs to release. prince had a new deal with them, yes, but it's unlikely that he would
have also agreed to once again let warners have ownership of anything he recorded in the studio,
outside of what he offered them to distribute. same will likely go for the live shows. so under that
construct, the P&M2016 shows are owned by the estate and could be part of a future deal with an
other major label. or they could be released as indi releases by the estate in future. or they could
be licensed to warners, by the estate. anything is possible. but with the way the estate is now and
the way communication is going between the parties involved, i don't find it odd that the P&M16
shows aren't released yet.

Would these be so hard to clean up, master, track, etc?

from what we know, prince was working on that in his final days so the whole project was probably

almost finished. it's not a matter of cleaning up and mastering at this stage, as i mentioned above.

Would these not be seen as the most epic perfromances P did in his whole career?

by who? not by me. they are great shows, yes. but the most epic of his career? no. though, that is
personal taste and to some people they might be, to others they may not.

If only they would do the final performance isntead of the whole 'tour' (because the market cannot bear all that), how much more work would it be than this 35 minute thingie?

see above

.

that way it's actually a bonus release,

.

A bonus release would be not that expen$ive.

says who?

.

in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye

.

Looking at the price, again, they could have a big promotional budget so time will tell if your assumption is right.

i don't understand what you're saying here. they are not going to promote the shit out
of this obscure little rehearsal. something doesn't have to be promoted with a huge
marketing budget to have it serve as a means to keep the market interested and buy a
bit of time while they figure out what to do next and how best to do it.

although that is pure conjecture on my part. for all i know they could not be doing
anything at all with the vault and this is the only thing they thought worthy of release,
over outtakes such as Purple Music and the like. it's anybody's guess right now. but we
can try to think about it in a logical way and deduce what might be most likely.

so i'm not that pissed off anymore. i guess it's just a waiting game. let's see if they're
going to start trickling out information about reissues toward the very end of the year.

i'm guessing they will.

.

Sure, take a look again at how early they release info about this 35 minute thingie.

It is not about communicating as they lied about the PR remastered release.

It is about the actual goods and the pace we are able to buy them, first.

i agree, it's about the good and what we can buy and when we can buy it. the way WB
communicates since prince died is dumbfounding, to me. it doesn't make any sense.
the information they have given is scant and the only thing you know 100% for sure is
the actual content they deliver, that we can listen to. and that content, up until now,
leaves something to be desired. especially in quality.

once again, likely -but not sure- is that they did not have access to the PP/Iron Mountain
vault until well after the PR deluxe was released. so Moonbeam Levels and PR Deluxe (the
bonus disc) were all sourced from tapes in the warner vault.

since the whole thing has been moved to iron mountain and a process of catalogueing and
digitizing has been set into motion, it seems only logical that WB has their people present
since the bulk of that material up until the mid 90s is something they have rights to put
out (at least, depending on the details of their new deal with prince in regards to masters
and ownership thereof and how long the licensing deal will be in place exclusively with WB)

so it's only now that WB has access to these tapes and can actually start to think about
what to do with them. have they already sent the original album off to be remastered by
an expert? are they baking tapes, digitizing and mastering them?

all i've heard is that a few very big names are working with WB right now and that came
from a reliable source. i'm not going to say any more. because who knows? it's always
he said she said they heard i heard oh oops sorry, all wrong, never mind. but i'm slightly
optimistic, let's put it like that.

but since their time is limited to the deal they made with prince (for all the albums except
the soundtracks) it would stand to reason that they'd rather have a complete overview of
what there is in the vault and do the reissues the right way the first time round (they will
have enough time to right the wrong that was the PR deluxe in many ways since that LP
seems to be licensed to them for eternity).

all of which is why my personal guess is that they would release something like this
rehearsal now. it's just prince and piano, so no one else is involved or has any sort of
stake or claim here. it's easy to clean up and put out there and it's not something that
would be an essential part of any other reissue or release in the future. it's just 35 mins
of prince playing piano and singing some tunes.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #542 posted 06/12/18 9:58am

KingSausage

That must be the most confusing formatting of any Org post ever. lol
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Reply #543 posted 06/12/18 10:04am

IstenSzek

KingSausage said:

That must be the most confusing formatting of any Org post ever. lol


i'm an artist and my only aim, is to please cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #544 posted 06/12/18 10:21am

SchlomoThaHomo

I think I could live with the "this is a bonus release" angle if the source quality wasn't so shitty. There are moments in Mary, Don't You Weep where the tape literally sounds like it's crumpled.

In the Variety article, Troy Carter stated, "We haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material."

Unless we're talking about an important song that no one has ever heard, which doesn't exist on any other format, I would consider a damaged cassette to be an absolute issue, thus making it unsuitable for release.

Cleaning up and releasing damaged cassettes of private rehearsals is what you might expect when the well has run dry, and we all know the estate hasn't even scratched the surface yet, in terms of high quality vault material.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #545 posted 06/12/18 10:51am

KingSausage

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think I could live with the "this is a bonus release" angle if the source quality wasn't so shitty. There are moments in Mary, Don't You Weep where the tape literally sounds like it's crumpled. 

In the Variety article, Troy Carter stated, "We haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material." 

Unless we're talking about an important song that no one has ever heard, which doesn't exist on any other format, I would consider a damaged cassette to be an absolute issue, thus making it unsuitable for release. 

Cleaning up and releasing damaged cassettes of private rehearsals is what you might expect when the well has run dry, and we all know the estate hasn't even scratched the surface yet, in terms of high quality vault material. 




This is the best post I’ve read yet on this release, either here or on other sites. THANK YOU. The point about the well running dry vs. scratching the surface is right on.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #546 posted 06/12/18 11:36am

dodger

IstenSzek said:

 



KingSausage said:


That must be the most confusing formatting of any Org post ever. lol


i'm an artist and my only aim, is to please  cool



I’ve read it 3 times..
Is there someone else with your user-name or was you talking to
Yourself? Classic Org Art 😂😉
Reply #547 posted 06/12/18 11:47am

Silvertongue7

KingSausage said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think I could live with the "this is a bonus release" angle if the source quality wasn't so shitty. There are moments in Mary, Don't You Weep where the tape literally sounds like it's crumpled. 

In the Variety article, Troy Carter stated, "We haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material." 

Unless we're talking about an important song that no one has ever heard, which doesn't exist on any other format, I would consider a damaged cassette to be an absolute issue, thus making it unsuitable for release. 

Cleaning up and releasing damaged cassettes of private rehearsals is what you might expect when the well has run dry, and we all know the estate hasn't even scratched the surface yet, in terms of high quality vault material. 




This is the best post I’ve read yet on this release, either here or on other sites. THANK YOU. The point about the well running dry vs. scratching the surface is right on.

I agree, it sums up my feelings much more eloquently and much more calmly that I’ve been able to so far...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #548 posted 06/12/18 11:49am

EddieC

BartVanHemelen said:

There comes a certain point at which you need to feed the donkey instead of waving a carrot in front of him. PR Deluxe was already somewhat of a disappointment, and this upcoming release feels overhyped.

Indeed. Or should I say, "Hee haw!"

Reply #549 posted 06/12/18 12:05pm

leecaldon

BartVanHemelen said:

IstenSzek said:

and then things like this rehearsal pop up amongst those tracks and they feel special
and intimate and quite magical i suppose to someone who hears them for the very first
time.

and because it doesn't cost much and because it can be cleaned, matered and put on
a cd relatively quickly, they chose to put it out there for everyone to hear and enjoy.

so in that respect i fully understand what they're doing now. IF it's just a way to put a
release out there whilst they are working on the bigger picture behind the scenes.

.

If this was one of four releases this year: sure. As the first "independent" (= not an expanded version of a classic album) release, 2.5 years after Prince's death? Ridiculous.

.



that way it's actually a bonus release, in my eyes. something to keep his music in the
public eye and keep some momentum moving forward to what will be the ultimate
prize; reissues stacked with bonus material and later actual full albums that prince'd
compiled and filed away.

.

There comes a certain point at which you need to feed the donkey instead of waving a carrot in front of him. PR Deluxe was already somewhat of a disappointment, and this upcoming release feels overhyped.

Yes. I don't think anyone would argue that it's good to have something like this out there. It just seems bizarre that they've been going through hundreds/thousands of songs in the vault, and they decide that this hissy, recorded-to-tape 39 min piece of improv would be the ONE vault release this year.

The only explanation I can think of is that this leads into Piano + a Microphone 2016 releases (ideally an audio release of one show, say the Atlanta one he was working on, and DVD/Bluray of the opening set on gala night at PP).

Reply #550 posted 06/12/18 12:13pm

SchlomoThaHomo

I should add that I would be considerably less upset by this release if it were apart of an official Bootleg Series, and was labeled as such.

I would absolutely support the estate releasing official versions of some of the more important bootlegs (something Prince considered at one point), and in the case of releases like this, that are unavailable in better quality, some transparency in the press release and liner notes stating why.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #551 posted 06/12/18 12:39pm

djThunderfunk

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I should add that I would be considerably less upset by this release if it were apart of an official Bootleg Series, and was labeled as such.

I would absolutely support the estate releasing official versions of some of the more important bootlegs (something Prince considered at one point), and in the case of releases like this, that are unavailable in better quality, some transparency in the press release and liner notes stating why.


Yeah. That!

You're on a roll today!! This post is even more spot on than the last.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #552 posted 06/12/18 12:58pm

NorthC

^ In other words, what acts like the Stones and Springsteen and Dylan have been doing for years. Yeah, I think Prince fans have the right to feel a little short-changed.
[Edited 6/12/18 13:04pm]
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #553 posted 06/12/18 1:00pm

IstenSzek

dodger said:

IstenSzek said:


i'm an artist and my only aim, is to please cool

I’ve read it 3 times.. Is there someone else with your user-name or was you talking to Yourself? Classic Org Art 😂😉


lol biggrin i'm responding to Udo. but because he breaks up the quotes into separate boxes,
you then can't respond to the entire message because the org just kind of deletes half
of them in the reply for some reason.

so the boxed quotes are my originals, the normal text is Udo's responses and the bold
text is my responses to Udo's responses

lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #554 posted 06/12/18 1:02pm

IstenSzek

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think I could live with the "this is a bonus release" angle if the source quality wasn't so shitty. There are moments in Mary, Don't You Weep where the tape literally sounds like it's crumpled.

In the Variety article, Troy Carter stated, "We haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material."

Unless we're talking about an important song that no one has ever heard, which doesn't exist on any other format, I would consider a damaged cassette to be an absolute issue, thus making it unsuitable for release.

Cleaning up and releasing damaged cassettes of private rehearsals is what you might expect when the well has run dry, and we all know the estate hasn't even scratched the surface yet, in terms of high quality vault material.


very very true indeed nod i hadn't thought about it like that yet.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #555 posted 06/12/18 1:03pm

luvsexy4all

when Eye releases stuff simultatneoulsy...this bitchin will cease

Reply #556 posted 06/12/18 1:53pm

OperatingThetan

IstenSzek said:

 



SchlomoThaHomo said:


I think I could live with the "this is a bonus release" angle if the source quality wasn't so shitty. There are moments in Mary, Don't You Weep where the tape literally sounds like it's crumpled. 

In the Variety article, Troy Carter stated, "We haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material." 

Unless we're talking about an important song that no one has ever heard, which doesn't exist on any other format, I would consider a damaged cassette to be an absolute issue, thus making it unsuitable for release. 

Cleaning up and releasing damaged cassettes of private rehearsals is what you might expect when the well has run dry, and we all know the estate hasn't even scratched the surface yet, in terms of high quality vault material. 




very very true indeed nod i hadn't thought about it like that yet.




Perhaps Troy is a well-meaning but ultimately clueless hipster?
Reply #557 posted 06/12/18 1:55pm

dodger

IstenSzek said:

 



dodger said:


IstenSzek said:

 



i'm an artist and my only aim, is to please  cool



I’ve read it 3 times.. Is there someone else with your user-name or was you talking to Yourself? Classic Org Art 😂😉


lol biggrin i'm responding to Udo. but because he breaks up the quotes into separate boxes,
you then can't respond to the entire message because the org just kind of deletes half
of them in the reply for some reason.

so the boxed quotes are my originals, the normal text is Udo's responses and the bold
text is my responses to Udo's responses

lol




Clear as mud 👍🏻
Reply #558 posted 06/12/18 3:28pm

SquirrelMeat

Just when I though the Prince world would start to become logical....

I'm more interested in what morsel EYE can get hold of and put out, than the capabilities of cash hungry executives with the golden ticket to the chocolate factory.


.
Reply #559 posted 06/12/18 4:07pm

OperatingThetan

SquirrelMeat said:

Just when I though the Prince world would start to become logical....

I'm more interested in what morsel EYE can get hold of and put out, than the capabilities of cash hungry executives with the golden ticket to the chocolate factory.




The grand irony is just how much they're squaundering the opportunity. If I had the golden ticket there's no way I'd do any more than briefly pause at that 1983 rehearsal on cassette(!) before moving on to greater treasures.

While I'm sure the album will be an intimate and interesting curiosity, it is a very minor artifact and in marketing terms manages to appeal neither to hardcore fans nor the more casual commercial audience. Quite an achievement when you consider it.
Reply #560 posted 06/12/18 9:15pm

controversy99

OperatingThetan said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Just when I though the Prince world would start to become logical....

I'm more interested in what morsel EYE can get hold of and put out, than the capabilities of cash hungry executives with the golden ticket to the chocolate factory.




The grand irony is just how much they're squaundering the opportunity. If I had the golden ticket there's no way I'd do any more than briefly pause at that 1983 rehearsal on cassette(!) before moving on to greater treasures.

While I'm sure the album will be an intimate and interesting curiosity, it is a very minor artifact and in marketing terms manages to appeal neither to hardcore fans nor the more casual commercial audience. Quite an achievement when you consider it.

.
Y’all are crazy. I can’t believe how much people are dogging this release. Just pause and listen to Mary Don’t You Weep. Can you name three better blues or gospel vocal performances in his whole catalog? The singing is amazing.
.
I see a ton of complaints that this ain’t commercial. Fine, it’s not. The last vault release was a Purple Rain remaster with bonus material. That’s just about the most commercial release that could be considered. So I’m happy to get something different.
.
And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something.
.
Wtf people?
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #561 posted 06/12/18 9:53pm

djThunderfunk

controversy99 said:

OperatingThetan said:
The grand irony is just how much they're squaundering the opportunity. If I had the golden ticket there's no way I'd do any more than briefly pause at that 1983 rehearsal on cassette(!) before moving on to greater treasures. While I'm sure the album will be an intimate and interesting curiosity, it is a very minor artifact and in marketing terms manages to appeal neither to hardcore fans nor the more casual commercial audience. Quite an achievement when you consider it.
. Y’all are crazy. I can’t believe how much people are dogging this release. Just pause and listen to Mary Don’t You Weep. Can you name three better blues or gospel vocal performances in his whole catalog? The singing is amazing. . I see a ton of complaints that this ain’t commercial. Fine, it’s not. The last vault release was a Purple Rain remaster with bonus material. That’s just about the most commercial release that could be considered. So I’m happy to get something different. . And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something. . Wtf people?


Agree with you on the complaints about the price. NC2U was $10 for a single, Purple Rain Remaster LP is around $30... this CD is an average price and will be even cheaper as a loss-leader on sale at the box stores. And really, $40 for the LP, CD & book is a pretty good deal.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #562 posted 06/13/18 1:48am

OperatingThetan

controversy99 said:

OperatingThetan said:



The grand irony is just how much they're squaundering the opportunity. If I had the golden ticket there's no way I'd do any more than briefly pause at that 1983 rehearsal on cassette(!) before moving on to greater treasures.

While I'm sure the album will be an intimate and interesting curiosity, it is a very minor artifact and in marketing terms manages to appeal neither to hardcore fans nor the more casual commercial audience. Quite an achievement when you consider it.

.
Y’all are crazy. I can’t believe how much people are dogging this release. Just pause and listen to Mary Don’t You Weep. Can you name three better blues or gospel vocal performances in his whole catalog? The singing is amazing.
.
I see a ton of complaints that this ain’t commercial. Fine, it’s not. The last vault release was a Purple Rain remaster with bonus material. That’s just about the most commercial release that could be considered. So I’m happy to get something different.
.
And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something.
.
Wtf people?


The vocal performance is indeed amazing and the price perfectly reasonable. I'm sure I'll be blown away by the entire album, but it's still, to me, an odd choice as an opening salvo.
Reply #563 posted 06/13/18 4:59am

KingSausage

OperatingThetan said:

controversy99 said:


.
Y’all are crazy. I can’t believe how much people are dogging this release. Just pause and listen to Mary Don’t You Weep. Can you name three better blues or gospel vocal performances in his whole catalog? The singing is amazing.
.
I see a ton of complaints that this ain’t commercial. Fine, it’s not. The last vault release was a Purple Rain remaster with bonus material. That’s just about the most commercial release that could be considered. So I’m happy to get something different.
.
And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something.
.
Wtf people?


The vocal performance is indeed amazing and the price perfectly reasonable. I'm sure I'll be blown away by the entire album, but it's still, to me, an odd choice as an opening salvo.



Exactly.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #564 posted 06/13/18 6:55am

djThunderfunk

OperatingThetan said:

The vocal performance is indeed amazing and the price perfectly reasonable. I'm sure I'll be blown away by the entire album, but it's still, to me, an odd choice as an opening salvo.


Exactly!

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #565 posted 06/13/18 7:53pm

controversy99

djThunderfunk said:

 



OperatingThetan said:


The vocal performance is indeed amazing and the price perfectly reasonable. I'm sure I'll be blown away by the entire album, but it's still, to me, an odd choice as an opening salvo.


Exactly!


Ok, phew! I’m glad some folks are on board with the performance being solid. It’s just an odd first release y’all say. Sure, I can see that. I think it’s a fine release for 2018. The probably is we’d probably all prefer if the estate had also done a late 2016 release, two 2017 releases, and already one 2018 release back in the spring. Regardless, I’m looking forward to September.
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #566 posted 06/14/18 7:43am

3rdeyeboy

cool

[Edited 6/14/18 7:53am]

3RDEYEBOY
Reply #567 posted 06/14/18 1:08pm

luvsexy4all

so its implied that the final P&M gig will also be released??

Reply #568 posted 06/14/18 1:24pm

rdhull

luvsexy4all said:

so its implied that the final P&M gig will also be released??

I stll dont know.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #569 posted 06/14/18 9:50pm

udo

luvsexy4all said:

so its implied that the final P&M gig will also be released??

.

Implied in what way?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #570 posted 06/15/18 4:48am

BartVanHemelen

controversy99 said:

And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something. . Wtf people?

.

Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #571 posted 06/15/18 7:30am

djThunderfunk

BartVanHemelen said:

controversy99 said:

And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something. . Wtf people?

.

Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.


You know it will be $10-11 on sale as a loss leader at the box stores the week it comes out. Compared to $10 for the NC2U 7'' Single, this is a bargain.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #572 posted 06/15/18 1:23pm

Strive

djThunderfunk said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



controversy99 said:


And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something. . Wtf people?

.


Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.




You know it will be $10-11 on sale as a loss leader at the box stores the week it comes out. Compared to $10 for the NC2U 7'' Single, this is a bargain.



One overpriced release does not make another a bargain.

I got to be honest. The more I think about this release, the angrier I get.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #573 posted 06/15/18 2:12pm

djThunderfunk

Strive said:

djThunderfunk said:


You know it will be $10-11 on sale as a loss leader at the box stores the week it comes out. Compared to $10 for the NC2U 7'' Single, this is a bargain.

One overpriced release does not make another a bargain. I got to be honest. The more I think about this release, the angrier I get.


"compared to"... yep bargain.

Compared to average CD releases, the price is average. The CD will be $10-11 at box stores which is reasonable and average. If the $40 package price is for collectors, if it's too high, go for the CD from a box store.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #574 posted 06/15/18 2:29pm

thedoorkeeper

BartVanHemelen said:

 



controversy99 said:


And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something. . Wtf people?

.


Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.


Pre-ordered a copy from Amazon for $9.49.
Just sayin'
Reply #575 posted 06/15/18 8:21pm

homesquid

A bit stunned this is the first thing they release from the vault. It's going to disappoint in a major way. It's get press and then when people release what it is...... bored

The first release obviously should have been a set of ten great outtakes in excellent quality or a deluxe reissue of an album

Reply #576 posted 06/15/18 11:18pm

ladygirl99

luvsexy4all said:

so its implied that the final P&M gig will also be released??

That what I hope so and with this new Sony deal lets keep our finger cross. They were also behind the release of Michael Jackson's This is it.

Not sure what to make out of this new 1983 P&M release but I am sure the collectors are thrilled.

Reply #577 posted 06/16/18 9:16am

databank

udo said:

luvsexy4all said:

so its implied that the final P&M gig will also be released??

.

Implied in what way?

It's not.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #578 posted 06/16/18 9:31am

udo

databank said:

udo said:

.

Implied in what way?

It's not.

.

Ahhhh.

OK then.

.
So we got time.

.

While watching the Beirut movie I noticed this tune:

.

Yes, that Sue Ann Carwell.

.

Got more examples from her post-Prince period?

.

FWIW, about the P&M 1983 release:

If all they can come up with, many months ahead of the release date, is this; then in what shape is the pile of tapes they carted off out of Paisley park?

What is the state of affairs w.r.t. labelling, catalogging?

I mean, a simple tape bake, copy, digitising and a mastgering job don't take so many times.

They will take as much time as was required for translating the rosetta stone's unknown parts (to westerners at least) (yes go find that timespan!) until they have a good grasp of what hey have and what would be the right way to release.

Meantime we get releases like this one.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #579 posted 06/16/18 11:06am

djThunderfunk

udo said:

.

Yes, that Sue Ann Carwell.

.

Got more examples from her post-Prince period?


I LOVE SueAnn Featuring Jesse Johnson.

https://www.discogs.com/S...se/2904772


Top notch material from both great artists! music

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #580 posted 06/16/18 11:14am

BartVanHemelen

udo said:

FWIW, about the P&M 1983 release:

If all they can come up with, many months ahead of the release date, is this; then in what shape is the pile of tapes they carted off out of Paisley park?

What is the state of affairs w.r.t. labelling, catalogging?

I mean, a simple tape bake, copy, digitising and a mastgering job don't take so many times.

They will take as much time as was required for translating the rosetta stone's unknown parts (to westerners at least) (yes go find that timespan!) until they have a good grasp of what hey have and what would be the right way to release.

.

http://prince.org/msg/7/455156

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #581 posted 06/17/18 4:27pm

controversy99

BartVanHemelen said:

 



controversy99 said:


And the complaints about the price. I was worried when I read this thread that I’d have to pay $40 or so to get the CD. Nope. It’s a pretty standard $15.98 or something. . Wtf people?

.


Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.


.
Glad you wrote “IMHO”, so you acknowledge that it’s an opinion. That’s fair.
.
Anyway, I better ask for a partial refund on Dirty Mind, just barely over 30 minutes and a low tech recording. What a rip off.
.
While I’m at it, how about some money back on my early Funkadelic albums? Those things are like 35 minutes on a good day.
wink
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #582 posted 06/17/18 5:59pm

macaylasdad

all the music in the vault and this is the bullshit they come up with?!?! #FOH

Reply #583 posted 06/17/18 7:57pm

rdhull

macaylasdad said:

all the music in the vault and this is the bullshit they come up with?!?! #FOH

lol

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #584 posted 06/17/18 10:39pm

SoulAlive

macaylasdad said:

all the music in the vault and this is the bullshit they come up with?!?! #FOH

biggrin I agree,it's a very underwhelming release.

Reply #585 posted 06/17/18 10:44pm

Silvertongue7

Just out of curiosity, is anyone still listening to Mary Don’t You Weep? I listened to it a few times on the day it came out, haven’t listened since...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #586 posted 06/18/18 2:01am

BartVanHemelen

controversy99 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.

. Glad you wrote “IMHO”, so you acknowledge that it’s an opinion. That’s fair. . Anyway, I better ask for a partial refund on Dirty Mind, just barely over 30 minutes and a low tech recording.

.

DM is still a semi-professional multi-track recording. It wasn't a 30+ year old cassette tape when it was released. And THERE WASN'T A VAULT FILLED WITH HUNDREDS OF PROFESSIONALLY RECORDED OUTTAKES.

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Reply #587 posted 06/18/18 4:28am

Kares

Dirty Mind is a professional recording. The fact that it was recorded in a home studio doesn't make it "semi-professional". The piano rehearsals, on the other hand, can of course be called amateur recordings as they were probably taped with a consumer-grade, portable cassette recorder next to the piano. So yeah, I find it a shady move too to release these as the first ever vault-sourced material – especially on its own and in deluxe packaging, for a higher price than Purple Rain Deluxe. This is taking the piss.

.

BartVanHemelen said:

controversy99 said:

BartVanHemelen said:
. Glad you wrote “IMHO”, so you acknowledge that it’s an opinion. That’s fair. . Anyway, I better ask for a partial refund on Dirty Mind, just barely over 30 minutes and a low tech recording.

.

DM is still a semi-professional multi-track recording. It wasn't a 30+ year old cassette tape when it was released. And THERE WASN'T A VAULT FILLED WITH HUNDREDS OF PROFESSIONALLY RECORDED OUTTAKES.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #588 posted 06/18/18 6:03am

udo

Kares said:

This is taking the piss.

.

Perhaps WB is managing expectations a bit with this release? lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #589 posted 06/18/18 9:18am

OperatingThetan

BartVanHemelen said:

 



controversy99 said:


BartVanHemelen said:

 


.


Which is IMHO a bit overpriced for a 30-odd minute piano rehearsal that was taped on a cassette.




. Glad you wrote “IMHO”, so you acknowledge that it’s an opinion. That’s fair. . Anyway, I better ask for a partial refund on Dirty Mind, just barely over 30 minutes and a low tech recording.

.


DM is still a semi-professional multi-track recording. It wasn't a 30+ year old cassette tape when it was released. And THERE WASN'T A VAULT FILLED WITH HUNDREDS OF PROFESSIONALLY RECORDED OUTTAKES.



Agreed. Either Troy and the team working with him genuinely lack knowledge and expertise in what to select for release or this is a deliberate move on WB part to devalue the vault or perceptions of its contents. I have no explanation as to their motive in this but it is obvious enough with what is already circulating on bootlegs, without even considering all the other finished unknown recordings, that this is an odd choice for an opening release.
Reply #590 posted 06/18/18 2:53pm

eyewishuheaven

OperatingThetan said:

Either Troy and the team working with him genuinely lack knowledge and expertise in what to select for release or this is a deliberate move on WB part to devalue the vault or perceptions of its contents.


My god, can you walk me through any possible motivation for such a move? 'Cause I got nothin' and the very idea of them doing that freaks me right out...

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #591 posted 06/18/18 2:59pm

mediumdry

would only make sense if they expect the Sony deal to fall through just like the last one and they want to get those rights on the cheap.

.

Or this could just be to mess with whoever gets to release the Piano & Microphone shows. I'm guessing that that is most likely. They try to get all of the money for Prince releases, so messing with the one thing that there was some excitement for that was to come might be part of what they want to do.

Reply #592 posted 06/19/18 7:57am

OnlyNDaUsa

Silvertongue7 said:

Just out of curiosity, is anyone still listening to Mary Don’t You Weep? I listened to it a few times on the day it came out, haven’t listened since...

25+ years ago I got Intimate moments and I listened to it once...if that. I listened to Mary... this time like you said maybe 3 times... I am not sure what they are thinking about this. They can not expect it to sell more than 50K copies. (if that)

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #593 posted 06/19/18 8:55am

Silvertongue7

OnlyNDaUsa said:

 



Silvertongue7 said:


Just out of curiosity, is anyone still listening to Mary Don’t You Weep? I listened to it a few times on the day it came out, haven’t listened since...

 


 


25+ years ago I got Intimate moments and I listened to it once...if that. I listened to Mary... this time like you said maybe 3 times...   I am not sure what they are thinking about this. They can not expect it to sell more than 50K copies. (if that) 


I got it a lot more recently than you. I listened a couple of times, a cool little curiosity to have, that’s all.
I was talking to a friend about it the other day. He’s not a fan. He told me that I needed to understand that not everyone is as invested as I am or would have as much stuff as I have. What I couldn’t make him understand is that this is not interesting even for someone who is as invested as I am, never mind anyone with just a passing interest in Prince. I really don’t get this release...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #594 posted 06/19/18 10:45am

IstenSzek

i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now neutral

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #595 posted 06/19/18 3:22pm

MIRvmn

IstenSzek said:

i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now  neutral


I'm not that excited about it either even though I think it a nice release. It would be a more smart move to give us something we all want, like unreleased albums cuz they won't make much money from this release, that's for sure.
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #596 posted 06/19/18 3:30pm

MIRvmn

Silvertongue7 said:

Just out of curiosity, is anyone still listening to Mary Don’t You Weep? I listened to it a few times on the day it came out, haven’t listened since...

I actually forgot that song, I also only listened to it a few times
[Edited 6/19/18 15:31pm]
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #597 posted 06/19/18 3:52pm

IstenSzek

MIRvmn said:

IstenSzek said:

i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now neutral

I'm not that excited about it either even though I think it a nice release. It would be a more smart move to give us something we all want, like unreleased albums cuz they won't make much money from this release, that's for sure.


i'd be so much more excited if they would have found studio versions
of 'cold coffee and cocaine' and 'why the butterflies' and added them
to this release as bonus tracks.

see that would make me wet my pants, instantly biggrin


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #598 posted 06/19/18 7:35pm

udo

IstenSzek said:

if they would have found studio versions

of 'cold coffee and cocaine' and 'why the butterflies'

.

That is too much effort at this point.

Same reason for this release.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #599 posted 06/19/18 7:59pm

TrevorAyer

remember when it was gonna be 1999 expanded with a bunch of bonus trax .. then they were like .. no ... lets release this instead whofarted

Reply #600 posted 06/20/18 12:58am

udo

TrevorAyer said:

remember when it was gonna be 1999 expanded with a bunch of bonus trax .. then they were like .. no ... lets release this instead whofarted

.

Because it will make them more money?

Because it is less effort?

Because it is less risk?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #601 posted 06/20/18 5:14am

TrevorAyer

Eye would have bought 1999 outtakes no matter how they are packaged ... this piano tape warbling tape hiss meandering performance and horrible photo shop botched art is highly questionable ... not sure i can justify spending money

Easy? Yes
Less risk? I don’t think so
Make more money? Not from me anyway
Reply #602 posted 06/20/18 7:06am

james

I've only just got around to listening to the sample... and have to say I'm underwhelmed!

Better than the bootlegs, but still hissy and not fantastic (due to the source recording of course).

.

So, I wonder why they chose this over all the stuff they have found so far? eek

Too soon after Purple Rain Deluxe for another, big remaster release perhaps?

.

I'd like to see a more high profile release before Christmas!

Reply #603 posted 06/20/18 7:08am

james

IstenSzek said:


most of us suffer from battered wives syndrome by now lol

we just roll with the punches and continue to think 'it will get better, next time we will get exactly
what we were promised and it will be absolutely fantastic!'

Hahaha

Reply #604 posted 06/20/18 7:47am

udo

james said:

I've only just got around to listening to the sample... and have to say I'm underwhelmed!

Better than the bootlegs, but still hissy and not fantastic (due to the source recording of course).

.

Think of it as patina on an older car.

Or think of it that it was a cheap-ass rush job despite the many months until the release (why the slowdown?).

Or that the 'mastering' is not all-powerfull even though it is 2018 now.

.

So, I wonder why they chose this over all the stuff they have found so far? eek

.

Something 'light', something 'different', soemthing most people don't have?

.

As an intermission in a multi-session meal?

.

Too soon after Purple Rain Deluxe for another, big remaster release perhaps?

.

I'd like to see a more high profile release before Christmas!

.

Do not hold your breath...

This is the company that thinks that one release per year is close to too much.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #605 posted 06/20/18 2:12pm

thedoorkeeper

TrevorAyer said:

remember when it was gonna be 1999 expanded with a bunch of bonus trax .. then they were like .. no ... lets release this instead whofarted


I don't remember any official announcement that 1999 was the next release. I remember rumours that there would be a 1999 remaster. But those were rumours not anything official.
[Edited 6/20/18 14:12pm]
Reply #606 posted 06/20/18 3:24pm

Dandroppedadime

Not sure if has been mentioned above, but it seems the first part of the album is a medley, we know it's one continuous recording but I hope it is tracked as individual songs rather that one lump!

Reply #607 posted 06/20/18 3:32pm

Silvertongue7

Dandroppedadime said:

Not sure if has been mentioned above, but it seems the first part of the album is a medley, we know it's one continuous recording but I hope it is tracked as individual songs rather that one lump!


Wow, that would make a shit release even shitter excited
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #608 posted 06/20/18 3:42pm

databank

thedoorkeeper said:

TrevorAyer said:

remember when it was gonna be 1999 expanded with a bunch of bonus trax .. then they were like .. no ... lets release this instead whofarted


I don't remember any official announcement that 1999 was the next release. I remember rumours that there would be a 1999 remaster. But those were rumours not anything official.
[Edited 6/20/18 14:12pm]

Another example of a rumor repeated so many times it became a "truth"...
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Reply #609 posted 06/20/18 4:28pm

MIRvmn

IstenSzek said:

 



MIRvmn said:


IstenSzek said:

i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now  neutral



I'm not that excited about it either even though I think it a nice release. It would be a more smart move to give us something we all want, like unreleased albums cuz they won't make much money from this release, that's for sure.


i'd be so much more excited if they would have found studio versions
of 'cold coffee and cocaine' and 'why the butterflies' and added them
to this release as bonus tracks.

see that would make me wet my pants, instantly biggrin 



Me too, I really wanna hear the studio versions biggrin
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #610 posted 06/20/18 5:33pm

rdhull

databank said:

thedoorkeeper said:
I don't remember any official announcement that 1999 was the next release. I remember rumours that there would be a 1999 remaster. But those were rumours not anything official. [Edited 6/20/18 14:12pm]
Another example of a rumor repeated so many times it became a "truth"...

yep

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #611 posted 06/20/18 7:16pm

thedoorkeeper

databank said:

thedoorkeeper said:


I don't remember any official announcement that 1999 was the next release. I remember rumours that there would be a 1999 remaster. But those were rumours not anything official.
[Edited 6/20/18 14:12pm]

Another example of a rumor repeated so many times it became a "truth"...

I know.
I hate when that happens mad _
Reply #612 posted 06/21/18 5:58am

TrevorAyer

Just because it was a rumour does not mean it wasn’t on the table and there was certainly plenty of discussion on the topic ... the sentiment still stands despite the nitpicking... p+M is a huge letdown compared 1999 or another outtake collection... i seem to recall an interview indicating they were putting a package together when they came across this piano rehearsal and thought it was so magical it had to come out first ... i would much rather a pristine g spot or lust u always or parade era go or large room than a crusty old tape i deleted when it was called intimate moments ... the botched photo shop cover says it all ... it doesn’t even look like prince (the original photo did)
Reply #613 posted 06/21/18 7:41am

Rebeljuice

udo said:

TrevorAyer said:

remember when it was gonna be 1999 expanded with a bunch of bonus trax .. then they were like .. no ... lets release this instead whofarted

.

Because it will make them more money?

Because it is less effort?

Because it is less risk?

Because they think they will fool a lot of people who will think it is a recent Piano and Microphone tour (or a rehearsal for that tour). Probably hoping to ride on the coat tails of the Tidal release which could well be a P&M tour.

Reply #614 posted 06/21/18 8:07am

feeluupp

rdhull said:

databank said:

thedoorkeeper said: Another example of a rumor repeated so many times it became a "truth"...

yep

Blame Militant lol

Reply #615 posted 06/21/18 9:05am

Vannormal

I'm not happy with the artwork.

-

It's probably going to be all (black&white) pictures (from the archives) from now on,

and lack of inspirational typography and artwork. :-/

-

Pitty.

-

I miss the great album covers, artwork, and new art/style like the first 10 album covers - these are iconic !

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #616 posted 06/21/18 11:49am

SilverNight

The more I think about it, the more I believe it would be more advantageous to release this as a digital-only album (retailing for $8.99). Then, place the photo collection in the Paisley Park webstore and give us a pristine album of never-heard material.

Everybody wants what they don't got.
Reply #617 posted 06/21/18 12:08pm

rdhull

SilverNight said:

The more I think about it, the more I believe it would be more advantageous to release this as a digital-only album (retailing for $8.99). Then, place the photo collection in the Paisley Park webstore and give us a pristine album of never-heard material.

You have to think about that?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #618 posted 06/21/18 1:18pm

SilverNight

Yeah, I had to think about it because I don't have the luxury of being an elite collector.

Everybody wants what they don't got.
Reply #619 posted 06/21/18 1:34pm

rdhull

SilverNight said:

Yeah, I had to think about it because I don't have the luxury of being an elite collector.

I meant that you had to think about unheard of music to be released would be better than the piano rehearsal?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #620 posted 06/21/18 6:15pm

eyewishuheaven

TrevorAyer said:

the botched photo shop cover says it all ... it doesn’t even look like prince (the original photo did)



Can you give us an A/B comparison on that? I'd never seen this photo before this announcement.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #621 posted 06/21/18 6:19pm

eyewishuheaven

Vannormal said:

I'm not happy with the artwork.

-

It's probably going to be all (black&white) pictures (from the archives) from now on,

and lack of inspirational typography and artwork. :-/

-

Pitty.

-

I miss the great album covers, artwork, and new art/style like the first 10 album covers - these are iconic !

-


That's not possible with a man who's not here anymore. I'm okay with photographs from the relevant era, with simple typography.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #622 posted 06/22/18 5:24am

TrevorAyer

eyewishuheaven said:

 



TrevorAyer said:


the botched photo shop cover says it all ... it doesn’t even look like prince (the original photo did)



Can you give us an A/B comparison on that? I'd never seen this photo before this announcement.




It is on the facebook page called Housequake .. not too far down the scroll
Reply #623 posted 06/22/18 5:43am

djThunderfunk

TrevorAyer said:

eyewishuheaven said:



Can you give us an A/B comparison on that? I'd never seen this photo before this announcement.

It is on the facebook page called Housequake .. not too far down the scroll


Thanks. I was wondering what people are complaining about concerning the cover. Now that I've seen all that... I'm still wondering. lol

Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with the cover?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #624 posted 06/22/18 6:57am

rdhull

djThunderfunk said:

TrevorAyer said:

eyewishuheaven said: It is on the facebook page called Housequake .. not too far down the scroll


Thanks. I was wondering what people are complaining about concerning the cover. Now that I've seen all that... I'm still wondering. lol

Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with the cover?

The cover is nice.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #625 posted 06/22/18 9:38am

eyewishuheaven

TrevorAyer said:

eyewishuheaven said:



Can you give us an A/B comparison on that? I'd never seen this photo before this announcement.

It is on the facebook page called Housequake .. not too far down the scroll


thanks! I guess I cal live with it. cool

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #626 posted 06/23/18 12:47am

love2thenines2003

More i 'm thinking about this release ...More i'm disapointed by this choice of release ...damned !!

Reply #627 posted 06/23/18 7:24am

TrevorAyer

That album cover is what noise reduction on a soundboard boot looks like
Reply #628 posted 06/23/18 5:24pm

Militant

moderator

feeluupp said:

rdhull said:

yep

Blame Militant lol




I never said 1999 Deluxe was definitely the next thing. I said it had been compiled and was ready to go, and that is indeed what I heard back at the beginning of the year. In fact - same source as getting the exclusive on this wink (well...a couple of sources actually)

By the way, not one other source got the heads up on Piano & A Mic 1983 before I did, as you can see from the original post in this thread. So between that and leaking the PR Deluxe tracklist first, I'm still 2 for 2 smile


Reply #629 posted 06/23/18 6:24pm

rdhull

Militant said:

feeluupp said:

Blame Militant lol




I never said 1999 Deluxe was definitely the next thing. I said it had been compiled and was ready to go, and that is indeed what I heard back at the beginning of the year. In fact - same source as getting the exclusive on this wink (well...a couple of sources actually)

By the way, not one other source got the heads up on Piano & A Mic 1983 before I did, as you can see from the original post in this thread. So between that and leaking the PR Deluxe tracklist first, I'm still 2 for 2 smile


What was the 1999 going to have?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #630 posted 06/23/18 9:56pm

udo

rdhull said:

What was the 1999 going to have?

.

Not enough.

(look at PR 'deluxe')

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #631 posted 06/24/18 5:16am

love2thenines2003

udo said:

rdhull said:

What was the 1999 going to have?

.

Not enough.

(look at PR 'deluxe')

Wrong >A lot of things....WB&The Prince Estate can investigating now the Full Vault in L.A !!

Reply #632 posted 06/24/18 5:53am

udo

love2thenines2003 said:

udo said:

.

Not enough.

(look at PR 'deluxe')

Wrong >A lot of things....WB&The Prince Estate can investigating now the Full Vault in L.A !!

'

'A lot of things' result into this piano & a microphone 1983' thingie.

Can't they at least present us some completely unheard stuff or at least a different version of a known song?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #633 posted 06/24/18 6:07am

Silvertongue7

udo said:

 



love2thenines2003 said:


 



udo said:


 


.


Not enough.


(look at PR 'deluxe')



 


 


Wrong >A lot of things....WB&The Prince Estate can investigating now the Full Vault in L.A !!



'


'A lot of things' result into this piano & a microphone 1983' thingie.


Can't they at least present us some completely unheard stuff or at least a different version of a known song?


It is absolutely mind blowing that out of a vault with hundreds of unreleased songs and live recordings they’ve gone for this... it would have been perfect as a fifth disc in Purple Rain, but as a solo release... can’t wait for it to be out and forgotten, see what they can come up with next...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #634 posted 06/24/18 7:34am

love2thenines2003

Silvertongue7 said:

udo said:

'

'A lot of things' result into this piano & a microphone 1983' thingie.

Can't they at least present us some completely unheard stuff or at least a different version of a known song?

It is absolutely mind blowing that out of a vault with hundreds of unreleased songs and live recordings they’ve gone for this... it would have been perfect as a fifth disc in Purple Rain, but as a solo release... can’t wait for it to be out and forgotten, see what they can come up with next...

URe right....i would have prefered by far a 1999 DEluxe Edition

Reply #635 posted 06/26/18 3:25am

BartVanHemelen

IstenSzek said:

i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now neutral

.

They announce a new album in April for release in September, then take a months and a half to release the details, and then it's still three months before it's released? And all that for a 30 minute shoddily recorded "rehearsal"?

.

In an era where new albums get released out of nowhere?

.

This should have been a surprise teaser for an upcoming deluxe set. Instead it is the "major" Prince release for the holidays, and we'll likely get nothing new from Warners until next year.

.

Ridiculous.

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Reply #636 posted 06/26/18 3:50am

Kares

The real sad and ridiculous truth is that until HitnRun3 comes out next year (if it comes out at all), the best posthumous Prince release will still be 'Deliverance'.
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Of course it was absolutely illegal and Boxhill's claims were outrageous; he even had the nerve to add tracks to Prince's original recording, and it was really only 2 songs, but still: we got 2 new songs in high quality. Warners and the Estate, on the other hand, continue to give us cassette-sourced material with poor sound quality.
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #637 posted 06/26/18 4:09am

IstenSzek

BartVanHemelen said:

IstenSzek said:

i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now neutral

.

They announce a new album in April for release in September, then take a months and a half to release the details, and then it's still three months before it's released? And all that for a 30 minute shoddily recorded "rehearsal"?

.

In an era where new albums get released out of nowhere?

.

This should have been a surprise teaser for an upcoming deluxe set. Instead it is the "major" Prince release for the holidays, and we'll likely get nothing new from Warners until next year.

.

Ridiculous.



i'm surprised that, eventhought the industry has changed so much and the top level people have
been replaced a dozen times or so since the mid 90s, the one thing that seems to remain exactly
the same at WB is that they will release 1 album a year or per 18 months and stick to announcing
and releasing it pretty much the way they did back then. it's insanity in this day and age. oh well.



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #638 posted 06/26/18 3:03pm

SchlomoThaHomo

I really wish they would just cancel this release. The quality and content are just not good enough to be a part of his official body of work.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #639 posted 06/26/18 3:06pm

Silvertongue7

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I really wish they would just cancel this release. The quality and content are just not good enough to be a part of his official body of work.

It seems to have gone down like a lead balloon amongst many fans, but I doubt that they will. I hope that they announce something else straight afterwards though, but I doubt it. It’s so depressing...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #640 posted 06/26/18 3:41pm

luvsexy4all

has anyone heard any "excitement" from non-fans?? anyone else showing interest to buy this ???

Reply #641 posted 06/26/18 4:29pm

IstenSzek

luvsexy4all said:

has anyone heard any "excitement" from non-fans?? anyone else showing interest to buy this ???



my mom usually picks up on every little detail about prince in the media,
be it on tv, the radio or in magazines and newspapers.

she'll always tell me 'the latest news' which i've already read about on the
org. so things like a new release is something she will usually cut out of a
newspaper or magazine for me. (she's not a big fan herself)

haven't heard a peep out of her about this new release though. neither did
the few friends i know that still read music magazines tell me anything in
regards to this release.

so i don't think it's shown up in many places yet.

it'll probably make a little splash and end op grabbing a few columns when
it's released though. but it'll be forgotten about just as fast.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #642 posted 06/27/18 6:07am

goosepumble

So, to confirm. The "mind blowing" new WB Vault release is this piano rehearsal?

[Edited 6/27/18 6:10am]

Reply #643 posted 06/27/18 6:14am

udo

goosepumble said:

So, to confirm. The "mind blowing" new WB Vault release is this piano rehearsal?

.

Whatever they describe as `mindblowing` is their opinion only, not a fact until we agree.

Same company did not even know in what shape the PR remaster would be released when Rolling Stone wrote about that upcoming release. So they lied.

Same company did not produce any strategy in recent years w.r.t. releasing Prince other than the one release per year thing.

So please do not hold your breath for WB's releases.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #644 posted 06/27/18 6:37am

jjam

luvsexy4all said:

has anyone heard any "excitement" from non-fans?? anyone else showing interest to buy this ???

Why would there be when fans aren't bothered about it?

Reply #645 posted 06/27/18 12:05pm

IstenSzek

goosepumble said:

So, to confirm. The "mind blowing" new WB Vault release is this piano rehearsal?

[Edited 6/27/18 6:10am]



i hope they have people who professionally clean the vaults at iron mountain
because there are going to be some dead and decomposing bodies in there
when they start listening to the 85-86-87 tapes.

i mean, if THIS rehearsal blew their minds and all lol



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #646 posted 06/30/18 2:44pm

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:

 



IstenSzek said:


i keep forgetting about this release lol my excitement level for is it about 14%.

if it wasn't for this thread i'd have forgotten all about it by now  neutral



.


They announce a new album in April for release in September, then take a months and a half to release the details, and then it's still three months before it's released? And all that for a 30 minute shoddily recorded "rehearsal"?


.


In an era where new albums get released out of nowhere?


.


This should have been a surprise teaser for an upcoming deluxe set. Instead it is the "major" Prince release for the holidays, and we'll likely get nothing new from Warners until next year.


.


Ridiculous.



You blamed Prince for the entire WB dispute. You were an apologist for big music business and the practices of music labels.

You now complain about the handling of this release. Is it WB’s fault? The Estate? Or is it Prince’s fault?
Reply #647 posted 06/30/18 8:02pm

udo

jdcxc said:

You now complain about the handling of this release. Is it WB’s fault? The Estate? Or is it Prince’s fault?

.

It is pervasive incompetence.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #648 posted 07/02/18 6:35am

BartVanHemelen

jdcxc said:


You blamed Prince for the entire WB dispute. You were an apologist for big music business and the practices of music labels.

.

No I wasn't. I merely pointed out that Warners treated Prince the same or far better as just about any other artist. And that Prince applied similar treatment to Margie Cox and others.

.


You now complain about the handling of this release. Is it WB’s fault? The Estate? Or is it Prince’s fault?

.

Plenty of blame to go around. Prince first and foremost, for failing to curate his back catalogue properly. Warners deserves some of the blame for failing to properly prepare for the likes of PR Deluxe -- but then again what sane company would invest in the proper digitisation of the 1984 live video when chances of it getting released were slim? (And yes, that's even after the May 2014 deal, because I wouldn't be surprised that they figured out pretty fast that the expanded edition of Purple Rain wasn't going to come soon, despite it being part of that deal.)

.

For this particular release Warners deserves scorn. What they announced in June doesn't gel with what they promised in April, and the whole release is frankly underwhelming.

.

It's too bad all involved parties aren't more open about what's really happening, and instead hype up this release.

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Reply #649 posted 07/02/18 10:30am

FunkOnTheOne

[Off topic snip - luv4u]
Reply #650 posted 07/06/18 1:41pm

42Kristen

If it's not broke! Why change the name!

Reply #651 posted 07/09/18 8:46am

udo

Coincidently I received a link to some 1984-2-7 piano (with no mic?) rehearsals.

Those might be betterfor us to be released in place of the 1983 stuff?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #652 posted 07/10/18 2:31am

MIRvmn

I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. There's approximately 50-60 unreleased finished albums in the vaults and I doubt many of them will ever see the light of day during my lifetime but why the estate and Warner didn't pick one of these instead of this mediocre rehearsal is beyond me.
[Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #653 posted 07/10/18 4:19am

JorisE73

MIRvmn said:

I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. There's approximately 50-60 unreleased finished albums in the vaults and I doubt many of them will ever see the light of day during my lifetime but why the estate and Warner didn't pick one of these instead of this mediocre rehearsal is beyond me. [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]


Because that seamingly know nothing Spotify guy who oversees things at The Estate thought it was 'special' enough for us to hear and it made him weep. rolleyes

Reply #654 posted 07/10/18 7:47am

love2thenines2003

MIRvmn said:

I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. There's approximately 50-60 unreleased finished albums in the vaults and I doubt many of them will ever see the light of day during my lifetime but why the estate and Warner didn't pick one of these instead of this mediocre rehearsal is beyond me. [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]

50/60 unreleased albums....humm....where are the prooves ?

eek

Reply #655 posted 07/10/18 9:42am

Silvertongue7

JorisE73 said:

 



MIRvmn said:


I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. There's approximately 50-60 unreleased finished albums in the vaults and I doubt many of them will ever see the light of day during my lifetime but why the estate and Warner didn't pick one of these instead of this mediocre rehearsal is beyond me. [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]


Because that seamingly know nothing Spotify guy who oversees things at The Estate thought it was 'special' enough for us to hear and it made him weep. rolleyes


Troy, don’t you weep...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #656 posted 07/10/18 4:26pm

luvsexy4all

is it possible things arent labeled as efficiently as we would like ?? they simply cant find that easily the 50-60 albums

Reply #657 posted 07/10/18 4:30pm

kookooman73

love2thenines2003 said:

 



MIRvmn said:


I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. There's approximately 50-60 unreleased finished albums in the vaults and I doubt many of them will ever see the light of day during my lifetime but why the estate and Warner didn't pick one of these instead of this mediocre rehearsal is beyond me. [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]

 


 


50/60 unreleased albums....humm....where  are the prooves ?


 


eek


That figure is not outlandish. Morris Hayes said recently that between 20Ten & ArtOfficialAge P recorded 12 full albums with artwork & titles. He said he knew this as he was featured on them. He was actually there during the recording process & he has no reason to lie. 💜
Reply #658 posted 07/10/18 4:42pm

MIRvmn

love2thenines2003 said:

 



MIRvmn said:


I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. There's approximately 50-60 unreleased finished albums in the vaults and I doubt many of them will ever see the light of day during my lifetime but why the estate and Warner didn't pick one of these instead of this mediocre rehearsal is beyond me. [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]

 


 


50/60 unreleased albums....humm....where  are the prooves ?


 


eek


I read that at the end of the 90s there was almost 40 unreleased albums and Im sure Prince recorded another 10 between 2000 - 2009 and then we have the 12 unreleased albums from 2010 - 2014. So it should be somewhere around 60
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #659 posted 07/10/18 7:16pm

rdhull

MIRvmn said:

I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. . [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]

Be glad if we even get that.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #660 posted 07/10/18 7:17pm

udo

rdhull said:

MIRvmn said:

I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. . [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]

Be glad if we even get that.

.

And that way miss 90% of the music?

I'd be irate.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #661 posted 07/10/18 7:29pm

rdhull

udo said:

rdhull said:

Be glad if we even get that.

.

And that way miss 90% of the music?

I'd be irate.

Get ready to be irate for the rest of your life then. Half of yall already are. Look, 99% of the world dont give a fuck about Prince or his precious vault. Just like you probably dont care about Englebeg Humperdinks music and hidden works etc. Just because Prince has material "for days" doesnt mean its all going to be released. Why should it? Why would it? This isnt something thats automatic or world destined. Not to mention all the RED AND PURPLE tape of his estate just to get regular things on and poppin'. You guys are in for disappointments.

And even if they did release a plethroa of mateiral, youd never eva be satisfied.

neva eva..eva eva?

nope

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #662 posted 07/10/18 10:40pm

udo

rdhull said:

udo said:

I'd be irate.

Just because Prince has material "for days" doesnt mean its all going to be released. Why should it? Why would it?

.

The strategy would be that of profit maximisation.

Thus release as much or as little as necessary with a maximum but still bearable price so to maximise the profit for the Estate.

But where would that put us with a plethora of music and so little time?

At one release per year?

At that pace even 'simple' remasters of each album will take ages.

.

And do not get me wrong: I do know and have stated a few times that we will not get to hear most the vault in our lifetimes.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #663 posted 07/11/18 1:06am

JorisE73

MIRvmn said:

love2thenines2003 said:

50/60 unreleased albums....humm....where are the prooves ?

eek

I read that at the end of the 90s there was almost 40 unreleased albums and Im sure Prince recorded another 10 between 2000 - 2009 and then we have the 12 unreleased albums from 2010 - 2014. So it should be somewhere around 60


I think those unreleased albums are just concepts and those are probably just different sequences of the same songs with some others thrown in or taken out here and there.
So for example 4 versions of the High album with a different name/artwork and slightly different tracklists.

I highly doubt it's 60 fully produced albums with unique tracks but more somthing like Dream Factory/Crystal Ball/SOTT.

Reply #664 posted 07/11/18 1:48am

love2thenines2003

JorisE73 said:

MIRvmn said:

love2thenines2003 said: I read that at the end of the 90s there was almost 40 unreleased albums and Im sure Prince recorded another 10 between 2000 - 2009 and then we have the 12 unreleased albums from 2010 - 2014. So it should be somewhere around 60


I think those unreleased albums are just concepts and those are probably just different sequences of the same songs with some others thrown in or taken out here and there.
So for example 4 versions of the High album with a different name/artwork and slightly different tracklists.

I highly doubt it's 60 fully produced albums with unique tracks but more somthing like Dream Factory/Crystal Ball/SOTT.

This is exactely what i think....maybe we have a grip of unreleased albums in the Vault but not Dozen or more !

[Edited 7/11/18 1:49am]

Reply #665 posted 07/11/18 7:04am

TrevorAyer

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ... that is just his early years .. HNR seemed be compilations of songs from prior to AOA and we still have missing songs from that which were played live ... they should really just release 5 massive box sets over the next 5 years and be done with it ... limited pressings and a reasonable price tag .. they could make the money and then milk purple rain for the rest of eternity after

Reply #666 posted 07/11/18 7:12am

udo

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ...

.

Yes.

If they had more than their shoesize in IQ they would monetise on these.

But will they?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #667 posted 07/11/18 7:36am

JorisE73

udo said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ...

.

Yes.

If they had more than their shoesize in IQ they would monetise on these.

But will they?


It would be interesting to release outtake sets based on the relesed albums chronologicaly.

They could have done that easily starting this year with For You's 40 aniversary (they didn't even focus on that one?!) and instead of doing this 1983 release do a big set from his For You sessions and go from there for every next year, like next would be outtake set for the Prince album's 40th etc. that would certainly turn heads, but now we get this really cheap looking, bootleg like, ghetto release that just doesn't look or feels professional from a guy who has a treasure trove of material ready for release. Still gald to haveit official instead of as a bootleg, but they could have ride the anniversary train starting this year.

Reply #668 posted 07/11/18 1:15pm

paulludvig

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ... that is just his early years .. HNR seemed be compilations of songs from prior to AOA and we still have missing songs from that which were played live ... they should really just release 5 massive box sets over the next 5 years and be done with it ... limited pressings and a reasonable price tag .. they could make the money and then milk purple rain for the rest of eternity after



Finally we agree on something.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #669 posted 07/11/18 8:03pm

rdhull

udo said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ...

.

Yes.

If they had more than their shoesize in IQ they would monetise on these.

But will they?

No.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #670 posted 07/12/18 10:17am

PATSHEART

I have this on vinyl and it also had a version of Baby U're a Trip with Prince on vocals. Too bad that is not listed on the official issue.

I now present unto you an original person, one that is able to rationalize and make decisions that utilize intellectual significance. Yes, this person is on the endangered species list. - Patsheart April 2, 2009
Reply #671 posted 07/12/18 12:08pm

SilverNight

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.

Everybody wants what they don't got.
Reply #672 posted 07/12/18 12:50pm

MIRvmn

SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set  for release on September 28th, featuring  60 live and previously-unheard tracks,  making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs. 


They obviously don't care about what we want
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #673 posted 07/12/18 2:16pm

rdhull

SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set  for release on September 28th, featuring  60 live and previously-unheard tracks,  making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs. 


This is true.
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #674 posted 07/12/18 2:57pm

luvsexy4all

is there some road block we dont know of that is getting in the way of releasing things easily???

his family??

Reply #675 posted 07/12/18 8:53pm

udo

SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.

.

yeahthat

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #676 posted 07/12/18 8:54pm

udo

luvsexy4all said:

is there some road block we dont know of that is getting in the way of releasing things easily???

his family??

.

Do we even know who is 'in charge' of picking what to release and when?

Or how they find a `thing` to release?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #677 posted 07/13/18 10:57am

BartVanHemelen

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

.

I despair for such idiocy.

.

One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.

.

Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.

.

Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #678 posted 07/13/18 11:46am

luvsexy4all

maybe its a freakin conspiracy to keep his legacy "down" ???

Reply #679 posted 07/13/18 12:48pm

rdhull

BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for ithttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/prince-estate-big-plans-upcoming-purple-reign-698529/ 


.


I despair for such idiocy.


.



One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.



.


Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.


.


Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.



This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #680 posted 07/13/18 1:11pm

MIRvmn

Is it possible that Prince left instructions of what should be released? It feels like that.
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #681 posted 07/13/18 1:51pm

rdhull

MIRvmn said:

Is it possible that Prince left instructions of what should be released? It feels like that.

He didnt leave anything. Much less instructions of "send out that one piano reheasal I did in 83"

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #682 posted 07/13/18 4:41pm

jjam

SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.

I imagine Tom Petty left a will. You can't compare the two estates - the latter one is a mess, mainly owing to a lack of a will.

Reply #683 posted 07/13/18 4:51pm

rdhull

jjam said:

 



SilverNight said:


Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set  for release on September 28th, featuring  60 live and previously-unheard tracks,  making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs. 



I imagine Tom Petty left a will. You can't compare the two estates - the latter one is a mess, mainly owing to a lack of a will. 




Will or not...which we don’t know of... TP INF got their shit TOGETHER... purple estate is releasing a bootleg


This is shameful
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #684 posted 07/14/18 9:17am

paulludvig

rdhull said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for ithttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/prince-estate-big-plans-upcoming-purple-reign-698529/ 


.


I despair for such idiocy.


.



One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.



.


Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.


.


Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.



This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.


8000 cassettes of mostly unknown recordings?
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #685 posted 07/14/18 12:05pm

rdhull

paulludvig said:

rdhull said:



This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.


8000 cassettes of mostly unknown recordings?


You keep dreamin (c) Michael Jackson/The Girl Is Mine
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #686 posted 07/14/18 1:21pm

rdhull

paulludvig said:

rdhull said:
This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.
8000 cassettes of mostly unknown recordings?

And what does that have to do with whats been released or is being released soon? Be critical of me being critical when they release the material on those supposed 8000 (lol yeah right) cassettes.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #687 posted 07/14/18 10:53pm

coldasice

C’mon. The reason they’re putting this out is because there’s nobody else to pay. It’s just him. There may be some issues with the Purple Rain credits. I think they are going with the safe release till they get everything figured out.
Reply #688 posted 07/15/18 12:07am

udo

coldasice said:

C’mon. The reason they’re putting this out is because there’s nobody else to pay.

.

Why should anybody be paid, for what?

.

It’s just him.

.

So?

What was the CONtract of them musicans at the time of recording?

What is the current remains of that CONtract?

How do you think they can put out PR or even PR remasterered?

Isn't there enough lawyers types leaching that they cannot crack this 'problem'?

.

There may be some issues with the Purple Rain credits.

.

Why of a sudden?

What problem?

Source?

.

I think they are going with the safe release till they get everything figured out.

.

The cheap ass route instead of contronting the issue, being open about it, etc.

And if the problem is 'real' then they could have chosen many many other casettes.

So why this one?

It is a cheap ass release.

In more dimensions than one.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #689 posted 07/15/18 5:11pm

leecaldon

BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

.

I despair for such idiocy.

.

One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.

.

Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.

.

Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.

It does seem a very strange decision when they describe it like that. Although I can see the thinking of putting a solo piano record out when that's what he was doing at the end.

Reply #690 posted 07/15/18 9:32pm

udo

leecaldon said:

It does seem a very strange decision when they describe it like that. Although I can see the thinking of putting a solo piano record out when that's what he was doing at the end.

.

There's way more piano in the archives than that 1983 tape.

So why settle for that one?

Recently I got a 1984 piano thingie that does not sound like it came from cassette, has shorter renderings but all quite clear and nice.

So there must be more...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #691 posted 07/16/18 9:28am

Vannormal

My ununderstandable question is, why only 35 minutes ?

-

Since Prince recorded his very latest concerts with the utmost best equipment, it would've been more understandable to release it in a (even small/short) package of both performances;

- the young Prince's 35 minute solo/rehearsal effort

- and the Late Prince with one of his 'Piano and a Mcrophone' tour performances.

-

Plus, a good extra would be this ; they can easily find some extra rehearsals he did in PP for his last tour (just even 35 minutes would be as great)

I'm pretty sure that excists.

-

So now, what we get, is a book with poor info I'm sure,

sort of an EP on CD and vinyl, maybe a few black & white extra pix.

Very expensive minutes and seconds, we all already have in bad quality.

-

Let's so strongly hope I'm deadwrong.

-

And like so many others here say, no one actually will be interested in it.

Again, let's all hope we're deadwrong.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #692 posted 07/16/18 2:26pm

IstenSzek

Vannormal said:

My ununderstandable question is, why only 35 minutes ?

-

Since Prince recorded his very latest concerts with the utmost best equipment, it would've been more understandable to release it in a (even small/short) package of both performances;

- the young Prince's 35 minute solo/rehearsal effort

- and the Late Prince with one of his 'Piano and a Mcrophone' tour performances.

-

Plus, a good extra would be this ; they can easily find some extra rehearsals he did in PP for his last tour (just even 35 minutes would be as great)

I'm pretty sure that excists.

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So now, what we get, is a book with poor info I'm sure,

sort of an EP on CD and vinyl, maybe a few black & white extra pix.

Very expensive minutes and seconds, we all already have in bad quality.

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Let's so strongly hope I'm deadwrong.

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And like so many others here say, no one actually will be interested in it.

Again, let's all hope we're deadwrong.


or perhaps the music press will write glowing reviews of it and call it a masterpiece

making those of the general public who have a slight interest to hear stuff from the
vault pick it up and go "ah ok, well if this is what's in the vault, it's not for me" and
ignore future releases.

the first thing out of the vault should have been a great studio album from his 80s
prime period. there's enough material for them to even put it together themselves
with the help of revolution band members and old engineers if there isn't anything
prince completed himself over the years from that period.

i'm still hoping that warners is putting together reissues as we speak and throwing
as many outtakes and alternate versions on them as possible since there are only
2 more years for them to cash in before the licensing goes to sony.

or maybe sony is paying them off to just not do anything. money for nothing. three
more years of waiting for us. meantime warners might release a few more shitty
rehearsals or a jam of the year concert or something like that.

at this stage i'm inclined to believe whatever is the least beneficial outcome for us
as fans because the people pulling the strings seem to be idiots from the way they
talk and the choices they make.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #693 posted 07/16/18 7:03pm

Graycap23

I have zero hopes and anything good coming out anytime soon. Lucky 4 me i have more boots that i can count.
Yes....I'm in a Cult. We brainwash people into THINKING ............4 Themselves. FAMILIAR BONDAGE OVER FOREIGN FREEDOM
Reply #694 posted 07/17/18 1:08pm

luvsexy4all

Graycap23 said:

I have zero hopes and anything good coming out anytime soon. Lucky 4 me i have more boots that i can count.

no confidence in jay-z compilation next year?

Reply #695 posted 07/19/18 5:21am

love2thenines2003

It is highly rumoured that there are dozen unreleased albums fully completed in Prince's Vault....now that all the stuff has been digitilized by The Estate see last interviews here & there (even not fully catalogued yet)...i'm really surprised that not a single mention/confirmation has been reported yet by the engineers or the Estate in charge of this digitizing about 2 or 3 unreleased albums at least ?

Surprised???

neutral

Reply #696 posted 07/19/18 5:35am

paulludvig

love2thenines2003 said:

It is highly rumoured that there are dozen unreleased albums fully completed in Prince's Vault....now that all the stuff has been digitilized by The Estate see last interviews here & there (even not fully catalogued yet)...i'm really surprised that not a single mention/confirmation has been reported yet by the engineers or the Estate in charge of this digitizing about 2 or 3 unreleased albums at least ?


 


Surprised???


 


neutral



How is it possible to digitize that much material in such a short time? If we are talking at least 1000 songs, hours of rehearsals and concerts.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #697 posted 07/19/18 6:43am

udo

love2thenines2003 said:

It is highly rumoured that there are dozen unreleased albums fully completed in Prince's Vault....now that all the stuff has been digitilized by The Estate see last interviews here & there (even not fully catalogued yet)...i'm really surprised that not a single mention/confirmation has been reported yet by the engineers or the Estate in charge of this digitizing about 2 or 3 unreleased albums at least ?

Surprised???

neutral

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NDA's?

Typical WB-like behaviour: non-communicating and if they do they lie half of it: https://www.rollingstone....ms-191597/

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A simple count of unreleased abums, songs, performances, concerts, etc would help to show progress without revealing not so much.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #698 posted 07/19/18 7:57am

Graycap23

luvsexy4all said:

Graycap23 said:

I have zero hopes and anything good coming out anytime soon. Lucky 4 me i have more boots that i can count.

no confidence in jay-z compilation next year?

I'll hope 4 the best........

Yes....I'm in a Cult. We brainwash people into THINKING ............4 Themselves. FAMILIAR BONDAGE OVER FOREIGN FREEDOM
Reply #699 posted 07/19/18 11:49am

BartVanHemelen

Looks like the Warners promo is starting up: http://prince.org/msg/7/455674 .

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Reply #700 posted 07/19/18 11:52am

BartVanHemelen

paulludvig said:


How is it possible to digitize that much material in such a short time? If we are talking at least 1000 songs, hours of rehearsals and concerts.

.

I find that quite unbelievable as well, unless there was a large team at work. But who paid for that? Then again the RS article is somewhat backed up by stories like this: http://prince.org/msg/7/455156 .

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Reply #701 posted 07/19/18 3:39pm

BartVanHemelen

The October 2018 issue of UK monthly magazine Uncut will contain a review of P&AM83. Publication date somewhere around the end of August.

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Reply #702 posted 07/21/18 2:42am

RODSERLING

Like I SAID, Piano...1983 Will get more reviews from spécialised press than PR deluxe that was complètely underlooked. Or than 1999 deluxe would have if released instead Piano
Reply #703 posted 07/25/18 9:10am

thedance

rdhull said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

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I despair for such idiocy.

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Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.

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Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.

This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.

I agree RdHull.... these are amateurs... eek sad

so frightening how they are running the "post" career - those upcoming Prince releases...

Frightening. sad sad sad

Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #704 posted 07/26/18 12:24am

love2thenines2003

More i think about it & more i'm disapointed by a such release....so much other Album unreleased configurations....demos & outtakes from the 80's in the Vault far better than this useless release....i'm not excited by the next ones because with this new one ...The Estate/WB show their ambitions not in a high level !

damned

[Edited 7/26/18 0:25am]

Reply #705 posted 07/26/18 6:31pm

rdhull

love2thenines2003 said:

More i think about it & more i'm disapointed by a such release....so much other Album unreleased configurations....demos & outtakes from the 80's in the Vault far better than this useless release....i'm not excited by the next ones because with this new one ...The Estate/WB show their ambitions not in a high level !

damned

[Edited 7/26/18 0:25am]

There's hope that maybe this release is because things still have not been sorted out to an appropriate degree by the estate yet. Im sure in the future we will get something of higher stature etc. I would imagine. TBH, Eavesdropping boot has always been held in high regard amongst die-hards.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #706 posted 07/27/18 12:45am

JorisE73

rdhull said:

love2thenines2003 said:

More i think about it & more i'm disapointed by a such release....so much other Album unreleased configurations....demos & outtakes from the 80's in the Vault far better than this useless release....i'm not excited by the next ones because with this new one ...The Estate/WB show their ambitions not in a high level !

damned

[Edited 7/26/18 0:25am]

There's hope that maybe this release is because things still have not been sorted out to an appropriate degree by the estate yet. Im sure in the future we will get something of higher stature etc. I would imagine. TBH, Eavesdropping boot has always been held in high regard amongst die-hards.


I think it's just the start of a huge campaign of milking the Purple Rain Era for all it's worth as cheaply as possible.

Reply #707 posted 07/27/18 3:27am

udo

JorisE73 said:

I think it's just the start of a huge campaign of milking the Purple Rain Era for all it's worth as cheaply as possible.

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That would be even worse...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #708 posted 07/27/18 4:32am

JorisE73

udo said:

JorisE73 said:

I think it's just the start of a huge campaign of milking the Purple Rain Era for all it's worth as cheaply as possible.

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That would be even worse...


I agree, but it seems WB is willing to milk it for all it is worth and honestly the general public mostly only know Prince for that era.

I don't think the estate is interested in 'specialty only for Prince fans' releases. They want to make as much money as possible so they have to focus and cater to the billions of general public people who have more money to spend than the one million Prince fans.

Reply #709 posted 07/27/18 6:31am

udo

JorisE73 said:

I agree, but it seems WB is willing to milk it for all it is worth and honestly the general public mostly only know Prince for that era.

I don't think the estate is interested in 'specialty only for Prince fans' releases. They want to make as much money as possible so they have to focus and cater to the billions of general public people who have more money to spend than the one million Prince fans.

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Then what to think of another commercially successfull period like D&P?

Would they milk it?

What is there to milk with?

Etc...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #710 posted 07/31/18 7:48am

2freaky4church1

Mary Don't You Weep is badass. The singing is some of his best. What is wrong with this lot?

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #711 posted 07/31/18 8:26am

udo

2freaky4church1 said:

Mary Don't You Weep is badass. The singing is some of his best. What is wrong with this lot?

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When there's supposedly loads and loads of tapes in the Vault, then why would this be first?

Why can't they simply do a proper remaster when they need to buy some time?

There is no reason for this.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #712 posted 08/01/18 11:38am

luvsexy4all

why not milk the purple rain thing as much as possible? the 100 unreleased songs ...the uncut movie

Reply #713 posted 08/01/18 9:59pm

udo

luvsexy4all said:

why not milk the purple rain thing as much as possible? the 100 unreleased songs ...the uncut movie

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Bring it on!

But they won't as they are clueless.

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There is no clever plan to to maximise profits and maximise customer satisfaction.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #714 posted 08/03/18 9:34am

luvsexy4all

udo said:

luvsexy4all said:

why not milk the purple rain thing as much as possible? the 100 unreleased songs ...the uncut movie

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Bring it on!

But they won't as they are clueless.

.

There is no clever plan to to maximise profits and maximise customer satisfaction.

id like to hear THEIR logic behind their moves

Reply #715 posted 08/04/18 9:53pm

PurpleMusic7689

luvsexy4all said:

udo said:

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Bring it on!

But they won't as they are clueless.

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There is no clever plan to to maximise profits and maximise customer satisfaction.

id like to hear THEIR logic behind their moves

"we should show everyone what it sounded like in the beginning, what 2 years of waiting for a decent release and spending 21-40$ gets them. What do you mean hardcore fans? I bet not a 100 people in the world have heard this rehearsal! Hey, Troy, how's spotify?...". I would've rather taken the Purple Rain Deluxe CD but scanned at HQ from the master tapes + like 3-5 new songs, also scanned from the master tapes, not cassettes like all of the studio outtakes have been so far (except NC2U)...

URL: http://new.prince.org/msg/7/454981/Prince-1983-Piano-Rehearsals-to-be-released

Date printed: Tue 21st Aug 2018 4:40pm PDT