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Reply #660 posted 07/10/18 7:17pm

udo

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rdhull said:

MIRvmn said:

I'm a bit worried that it will continue like this with future releases, only one album every year. . [Edited 7/10/18 2:33am]

Be glad if we even get that.

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And that way miss 90% of the music?

I'd be irate.

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Reply #661 posted 07/10/18 7:29pm

rdhull

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rdhull said:

Be glad if we even get that.

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And that way miss 90% of the music?

I'd be irate.

Get ready to be irate for the rest of your life then. Half of yall already are. Look, 99% of the world dont give a fuck about Prince or his precious vault. Just like you probably dont care about Englebeg Humperdinks music and hidden works etc. Just because Prince has material "for days" doesnt mean its all going to be released. Why should it? Why would it? This isnt something thats automatic or world destined. Not to mention all the RED AND PURPLE tape of his estate just to get regular things on and poppin'. You guys are in for disappointments.

And even if they did release a plethroa of mateiral, youd never eva be satisfied.

neva eva..eva eva?

nope

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Reply #662 posted 07/10/18 10:40pm

udo

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udo said:

I'd be irate.

Just because Prince has material "for days" doesnt mean its all going to be released. Why should it? Why would it?

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The strategy would be that of profit maximisation.

Thus release as much or as little as necessary with a maximum but still bearable price so to maximise the profit for the Estate.

But where would that put us with a plethora of music and so little time?

At one release per year?

At that pace even 'simple' remasters of each album will take ages.

.

And do not get me wrong: I do know and have stated a few times that we will not get to hear most the vault in our lifetimes.

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Reply #663 posted 07/11/18 1:06am

JorisE73

MIRvmn said:

love2thenines2003 said:

50/60 unreleased albums....humm....where are the prooves ?

eek

I read that at the end of the 90s there was almost 40 unreleased albums and Im sure Prince recorded another 10 between 2000 - 2009 and then we have the 12 unreleased albums from 2010 - 2014. So it should be somewhere around 60


I think those unreleased albums are just concepts and those are probably just different sequences of the same songs with some others thrown in or taken out here and there.
So for example 4 versions of the High album with a different name/artwork and slightly different tracklists.

I highly doubt it's 60 fully produced albums with unique tracks but more somthing like Dream Factory/Crystal Ball/SOTT.

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Reply #664 posted 07/11/18 1:48am

love2thenines2
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JorisE73 said:

MIRvmn said:

love2thenines2003 said: I read that at the end of the 90s there was almost 40 unreleased albums and Im sure Prince recorded another 10 between 2000 - 2009 and then we have the 12 unreleased albums from 2010 - 2014. So it should be somewhere around 60


I think those unreleased albums are just concepts and those are probably just different sequences of the same songs with some others thrown in or taken out here and there.
So for example 4 versions of the High album with a different name/artwork and slightly different tracklists.

I highly doubt it's 60 fully produced albums with unique tracks but more somthing like Dream Factory/Crystal Ball/SOTT.

This is exactely what i think....maybe we have a grip of unreleased albums in the Vault but not Dozen or more !

[Edited 7/11/18 1:49am]

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Reply #665 posted 07/11/18 7:04am

TrevorAyer

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ... that is just his early years .. HNR seemed be compilations of songs from prior to AOA and we still have missing songs from that which were played live ... they should really just release 5 massive box sets over the next 5 years and be done with it ... limited pressings and a reasonable price tag .. they could make the money and then milk purple rain for the rest of eternity after

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Reply #666 posted 07/11/18 7:12am

udo

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oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ...

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Yes.

If they had more than their shoesize in IQ they would monetise on these.

But will they?

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Reply #667 posted 07/11/18 7:36am

JorisE73

udo said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ...

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Yes.

If they had more than their shoesize in IQ they would monetise on these.

But will they?


It would be interesting to release outtake sets based on the relesed albums chronologicaly.

They could have done that easily starting this year with For You's 40 aniversary (they didn't even focus on that one?!) and instead of doing this 1983 release do a big set from his For You sessions and go from there for every next year, like next would be outtake set for the Prince album's 40th etc. that would certainly turn heads, but now we get this really cheap looking, bootleg like, ghetto release that just doesn't look or feels professional from a guy who has a treasure trove of material ready for release. Still gald to haveit official instead of as a bootleg, but they could have ride the anniversary train starting this year.

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Reply #668 posted 07/11/18 1:15pm

paulludvig

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ... that is just his early years .. HNR seemed be compilations of songs from prior to AOA and we still have missing songs from that which were played live ... they should really just release 5 massive box sets over the next 5 years and be done with it ... limited pressings and a reasonable price tag .. they could make the money and then milk purple rain for the rest of eternity after



Finally we agree on something.
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Reply #669 posted 07/11/18 8:03pm

rdhull

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udo said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh come on now ... there are at least 10 - 20 releasable albums based upon the outtakes we have alone ... that does not even include the live and rehearsal boots that could be double albums ... plenty of material to be had and plenty of songs we have already heard that I would LOVE in pristine quality ...

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Yes.

If they had more than their shoesize in IQ they would monetise on these.

But will they?

No.

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Reply #670 posted 07/12/18 10:17am

PATSHEART

I have this on vinyl and it also had a version of Baby U're a Trip with Prince on vocals. Too bad that is not listed on the official issue.

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Reply #671 posted 07/12/18 12:08pm

SilverNight

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.

Nothing comes from nothing.
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Reply #672 posted 07/12/18 12:50pm

MIRvmn

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Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.


They obviously don't care about what we want
We are living in Orwell's 1984
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Reply #673 posted 07/12/18 2:16pm

rdhull

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SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.


This is true.
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Reply #674 posted 07/12/18 2:57pm

luvsexy4all

is there some road block we dont know of that is getting in the way of releasing things easily???

his family??

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Reply #675 posted 07/12/18 8:53pm

udo

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SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.

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yeahthat

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Reply #676 posted 07/12/18 8:54pm

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luvsexy4all said:

is there some road block we dont know of that is getting in the way of releasing things easily???

his family??

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Do we even know who is 'in charge' of picking what to release and when?

Or how they find a `thing` to release?

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Reply #677 posted 07/13/18 10:57am

BartVanHemelen

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Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

.

I despair for such idiocy.

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One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.

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Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.

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Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.

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Reply #678 posted 07/13/18 11:46am

luvsexy4all

maybe its a freakin conspiracy to keep his legacy "down" ???

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Reply #679 posted 07/13/18 12:48pm

rdhull

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BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/


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I despair for such idiocy.


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One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.



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Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.


.


Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.



This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #680 posted 07/13/18 1:11pm

MIRvmn

Is it possible that Prince left instructions of what should be released? It feels like that.
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Reply #681 posted 07/13/18 1:51pm

rdhull

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MIRvmn said:

Is it possible that Prince left instructions of what should be released? It feels like that.

He didnt leave anything. Much less instructions of "send out that one piano reheasal I did in 83"

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Reply #682 posted 07/13/18 4:41pm

jjam

SilverNight said:

Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.

I imagine Tom Petty left a will. You can't compare the two estates - the latter one is a mess, mainly owing to a lack of a will.

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Reply #683 posted 07/13/18 4:51pm

rdhull

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jjam said:



SilverNight said:


Tom Petty died last October and already his estate has commissioned a 4xCD box set for release on September 28th, featuring 60 live and previously-unheard tracks, making WB and Prince's estate look like amateurs.



I imagine Tom Petty left a will. You can't compare the two estates - the latter one is a mess, mainly owing to a lack of a will.




Will or not...which we don’t know of... TP INF got their shit TOGETHER... purple estate is releasing a bootleg


This is shameful
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Reply #684 posted 07/14/18 9:17am

paulludvig

rdhull said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/


.


I despair for such idiocy.


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One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.



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Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.


.


Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.



This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.


8000 cassettes of mostly unknown recordings?
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #685 posted 07/14/18 12:05pm

rdhull

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paulludvig said:

rdhull said:



This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.


8000 cassettes of mostly unknown recordings?


You keep dreamin (c) Michael Jackson/The Girl Is Mine
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Reply #686 posted 07/14/18 1:21pm

rdhull

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paulludvig said:

rdhull said:
This amateur kind of shit is what I’ve worried about we we will be dealing with forever.
8000 cassettes of mostly unknown recordings?

And what does that have to do with whats been released or is being released soon? Be critical of me being critical when they release the material on those supposed 8000 (lol yeah right) cassettes.

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Reply #687 posted 07/14/18 10:53pm

coldasice

C’mon. The reason they’re putting this out is because there’s nobody else to pay. It’s just him. There may be some issues with the Purple Rain credits. I think they are going with the safe release till they get everything figured out.
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Reply #688 posted 07/15/18 12:07am

udo

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coldasice said:

C’mon. The reason they’re putting this out is because there’s nobody else to pay.

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Why should anybody be paid, for what?

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It’s just him.

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So?

What was the CONtract of them musicans at the time of recording?

What is the current remains of that CONtract?

How do you think they can put out PR or even PR remasterered?

Isn't there enough lawyers types leaching that they cannot crack this 'problem'?

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There may be some issues with the Purple Rain credits.

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Why of a sudden?

What problem?

Source?

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I think they are going with the safe release till they get everything figured out.

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The cheap ass route instead of contronting the issue, being open about it, etc.

And if the problem is 'real' then they could have chosen many many other casettes.

So why this one?

It is a cheap ass release.

In more dimensions than one.

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Reply #689 posted 07/15/18 5:11pm

leecaldon

BartVanHemelen said:

Ho-ly crap. So these morons who are running the show knew that this recording "was circulating" and actively went searching for it! https://www.rollingstone....gn-698529/

.

I despair for such idiocy.

.

One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault. Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.

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Thousands of unreleased songs? Naaah, let's just release a sub-standard cassette recording.

.

Two frikking years and that's the best they could come up with: something that has been available on bootleg for decades.

It does seem a very strange decision when they describe it like that. Although I can see the thinking of putting a solo piano record out when that's what he was doing at the end.

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