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Reply #150 posted 05/12/18 11:56am

cloveringold85

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Strawberrylova123 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

could you please elaborate a little?

Alex Hahns book " possessed" came out around 2002 and it mentions the 1996 overdose incident before maytes book came out, he said an associate told him that prince was taking opiates during the diamonds and pearls era and was writing scripts under his girlfriend's name in the past. Also in the book it was stated that prince was showing erratic behavior due to him taking Percocet during 2001. My point is that many knew they just chose to ignore it [Edited 5/11/18 19:38pm]

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Is this fact or just hearsay?

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Reply #151 posted 05/12/18 12:00pm

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cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yes. It all began with that funny dancing in Purple Rain...


Speaking of relationships P had two going on at the same time when he clocked out.


Prince also kept many secrets. One secret was not telling Dr Schulenberg "Hey Doc, you don't need to prescribe me Vitamin D. I'm already taking it!" smile

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Prince and Kirk were not close. The investigation documents have proven that.

what makes you say that? i haven't made my way past page 75 myself.

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Reply #152 posted 05/12/18 12:04pm

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PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince and Kirk were not close. The investigation documents have proven that.

what makes you say that? i haven't made my way past page 75 myself.

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Kirk was an enabler; that's why he got a lawyer. He said that Prince was very private.

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No one can convince me that Kirk did not know Prince was addicted to opiates. Kirk did not see all those bottles of pills in various rooms? Nope, sorry -- not buying that for one second!! disbelief

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B.S.!! mad

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Reply #153 posted 05/12/18 12:22pm

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laytonian said:

purplerabbithole said:

"There was something said about a lipstick and cough drops in his room. Those were probably hers and used to keep her throat lozenged for singing."

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The lipstick: It would be Prince's. He used lipstick and lip balms generously. Who DOESN'T have something like that on their nightstand?
This is why my bedroom looks more like P's little green room than those overblown fancy "guest" apartments at PP: functionality. lol lol lol lol lol

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(gentle snippage because it's NOT necessary to quote 72.5 paragraphs!)

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The lipstick and cough drops were found in a different bedroom not the green room

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Reply #154 posted 05/12/18 12:47pm

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I don't think they were that close either but I don't think he was completely heartless either.

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yes. It all began with that funny dancing in Purple Rain...


Speaking of relationships P had two going on at the same time when he clocked out.


Prince also kept many secrets. One secret was not telling Dr Schulenberg "Hey Doc, you don't need to prescribe me Vitamin D. I'm already taking it!" smile

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Prince and Kirk were not close. The investigation documents have proven that.

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Reply #155 posted 05/12/18 12:49pm

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I am over-analysing???... as if anything revolving around Prince is simple. You are jumping from A to Z when there could be plausible, less cynical reasons for things. You are under-analysing. Yes, they were enablers..but "enabling" is complicated is all I am saying.

cloveringold85 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Reasonable doubt theories... (trying to prove that less cynical explanations might actually exist...but none of these are in any way confirmable, I admit.Life's nuances are sometimes even more complicated than conspiracies.)

a.) when Michael stated that kirk came back from finding Prince, kirk looked like he was stressed about interrupting P, and then brought Meron back...and then later Michael hearing Meron scream. ---- Here's my reasonable doubt theory. Kirk got a quick glance of P laying on his side in the elevator, thought he was either sleeping, passed out or stoned but wasn't sure. Went back to get Meron, they both got a second closer looker, and he was stiff, no heartbeat, rigor had set in etc...all the tell tale signs of death...Then she screamed. Michael came over (and with his background as a med student, knew right away that Prince was dead. The warmth on his face was strictly from the heat in the building. the stiff arm/no heartbeat was a tell tale sign.) they freaked out for about ten or 20 minutes but realized quickly that a celebrity death will be covered by press, so they cleaned him up by turning his clothes around so that the vomit covered side was not noticeable, crying and upset the whole time.

b.) Prince's computer. Now, if I recall correctly, Prince's lawyer told the investigators that they coud look at P's computer if the lawyer was around to watch them (to double check that only prevalent information was included in their investigation.) the cops refused for whatever reason..came back 5 days later with a search warrant and everything was cleared. Is it possible that the lawyer told folks about how these investigations will be made public and all the private personal info will be exposed to public as a result. Fearing for P's privacy or even information that would P look like a chronic procurer of drugs coming out, they had no time to peruse the gmails for personal non-prevalent gmails, so they just quickly deleted everything.



3.) What people know or don't know about P's drug problem...he may have had an addiction that come and went but nothing quite as bad as it got at the end. In the past..He may have seemed to be taking pills strictly for pain but occassionally overdid it. THerefore, his musicians and casual friends knew but yet thought that since he was not a recreational user and for a while was under doctor supervision (and bcause of his use of less dangerous forms of pain control as well (vitamins, chiropactic table, arm braces etc) , he would do his best to keep it under control and himself as healthy as possible. At one point however, he may have been cut off from the drugs (due to doctor's fears and the long time nature of the need). Then when his health first started to go down hill, maybe some people reasoned that perhaps his health issues and maybe even psychological issues were because of the lack of drugs for relief. In other words, a belief that his dealing with chronic pain minus the drugs had become physically and emotionally difficult and causing mood shifts and isolated behavior. . I say this because Prince was doing sit-down piano tours, stopped playing guitar, and was telling folks that he was going to downsize because he was getting older etc--all behaviors that seem to indicate a man with pain trying to give his body a break.. Maybe this was an initial feeling until his symptoms became too obviously drugs (extreme thinness, cancelled shows, and finally the first overdose.) At some point in 2015, Prince (who did carry his own bags --see St. Bart's pictures and did have cash stashes hidden in his vault etc) decided to ask someone on the road or some "friend" of his out of Europe or from the industry if they had anything for pain and that person gave him 4 or 5 bottles of that scary street shit he started taking. Kirk may not have known entirely what was going on--(knew he had a history but didn't know about the counterfit shit) after all, folks called him a man who got overwhelmed sometimes at his job..and why create a paper trail to yourself for 15 percocet if you were procuring illegal counterfit pills that were much more than 15. Prince kept that man pretty busy and his mood swings could have seemd to him to be for a number of reasons (that is, for a little while until it became painfully obvious he was using again.) . Meron probably knew more than him because she probably bought the enemas.



4.) Judith's girlfriend status...maybe it is true. P was one secretive man. Maybe they wanted it to be a secret between the two of them--thus the reason she went back to L.A the next day. If she stuck around, people would know they were closer than they thought. there are indications that she kept tabs on him from L.A. Not saying she shouldn't have stayed but we don't know all the details. And hte only people who could be totally knowledgable about this stuff are P and herself. She was gone for 2 weeks out of the month so maybe when she was around he tried to stay as clean as possible. There was something said about a lipstick and cough drops in his room. Those were probably hers and used to keep her throat lozenged for singing.



5.) Larry Graham's insenstive statement to Manuela...who knows what he felt when he said. Maybe he was trying to make her feel better (and did the opposite) whilst he was still concerned himself. DOn't know enough about it. I am still inclined to think he is an insensitive dick but who knows?

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I think you are over-analyzing things here.

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If Kirk actually did what you described, then he should be in jail for tampering with a crime scene! Who moves a dead body??!! Call 911!!

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Deleted files to protect Prince's privacy? Prince was gone; so, there is nothing to protect anymore.

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Prince was struggling with pain, and he's no longer here because he had enablers around him.

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Judith Hill was not Prince's GF. She went back to LA. If you love someone, you would not leave them in their time of need.

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Larry Graham is full of it.

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Larry, Kirk, Meron, Phaedra -- none of them were Prince's friends. More like wolves in sheep clothing. rolleyes

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Reply #156 posted 05/12/18 12:54pm

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purplerabbithole said:

I am over-analysing???... as if anything revolving around Prince is simple. You are jumping from A to Z when there could be plausible, less cynical reasons for things. You are under-analysing. Yes, they were enablers..but "enabling" is complicated is all I am saying.

cloveringold85 said:

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I think you are over-analyzing things here.

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If Kirk actually did what you described, then he should be in jail for tampering with a crime scene! Who moves a dead body??!! Call 911!!

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Deleted files to protect Prince's privacy? Prince was gone; so, there is nothing to protect anymore.

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Prince was struggling with pain, and he's no longer here because he had enablers around him.

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Judith Hill was not Prince's GF. She went back to LA. If you love someone, you would not leave them in their time of need.

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Larry Graham is full of it.

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Larry, Kirk, Meron, Phaedra -- none of them were Prince's friends. More like wolves in sheep clothing. rolleyes

Wasn't it Prince who said something along the lines that "friends are not people who are on your payroll"?..he knew.

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Reply #157 posted 05/12/18 1:22pm

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sure they know, i just watched a thin lizzy docu, phil knew he had a problem and he knew it was serious. However, the thing with prince, he never sounded better, never played better, which is what i said from the beginning, i know that drugs effect everyone different but most of these guys will say it fucks up everything, from relationships, to their musicianship and it doesn't take until 57 to catch up to most of them. Phil died at 35. Prince had to know he had a problem, he went to enough trouble to keep it all hush hush, i'm not saying the things people say, i'm talking a deeper level, where peoples souls know. not what they say, how they act.

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Reply #158 posted 05/12/18 3:18pm

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purplerabbithole said:

I am over-analysing???... as if anything revolving around Prince is simple. You are jumping from A to Z when there could be plausible, less cynical reasons for things. You are under-analysing. Yes, they were enablers..but "enabling" is complicated is all I am saying.

cloveringold85 said:

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I think you are over-analyzing things here.

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If Kirk actually did what you described, then he should be in jail for tampering with a crime scene! Who moves a dead body??!! Call 911!!

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Deleted files to protect Prince's privacy? Prince was gone; so, there is nothing to protect anymore.

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Prince was struggling with pain, and he's no longer here because he had enablers around him.

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Judith Hill was not Prince's GF. She went back to LA. If you love someone, you would not leave them in their time of need.

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Larry Graham is full of it.

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Larry, Kirk, Meron, Phaedra -- none of them were Prince's friends. More like wolves in sheep clothing. rolleyes

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I apologize if I offended you; that was not my intent.

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I just think that a lot of people dissect Prince's life a bit too much, and try to figure out what made him tick. I don't think he was really that complicated, imo. He was a huge rock star and a legend, but he was only human, like the rest of us.

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At the end of the day, Prince had problems, just like everyone else; he had his faults, regrets, insecurities, heartbreak, being used by people, etc.........only thing different was that he had money, and lots of it; but that doesn't buy happiness.

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He enjoyed books, watching movies and talking about life, just like the rest of us--just regular stuff. It seemed like he was pretty-much a regular guy when he wasn't on the road being "Prince".

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Reply #159 posted 05/12/18 3:42pm

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1. Why didn't they obtain a search warrant for Kirk Johnson's residence??? They found scripts issued in his name but didn't search his residence??? DUMB DUMB!!!

2. Also where was the Percocet that Dr. S. prescribed in KJ's name? It obviously wasn't found at Paisley or any of Prince's possessions. So what happened to it?

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Reply #160 posted 05/12/18 3:49pm

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bondno9 said:

Why didn't they issue a warrant for Kirk Johnson's residence??? They found scripts issued in his name but didn't search his residence??? DUMB DUMB!!!

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Good question! Kirk was manager of PP and had full-access to that place, 24/7. The fact that they did not conduct a search warrant on his residence is beyond me!

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He was giving Percocet to Prince, which was prescribed in Kirk's name, so there is no telling what else he was giving him. rolleyes

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Kirk said he dropped Prince off around 8PM, but Meron stated that she and Kirk left around 10:30PM. eek

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Kirk & Meron picked up Andrew at his hotel on the 21st, and went for Breakfast, while Prince was in dire need of medical attention. Does this sound like they were worried about Prince? mad confused

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Reply #161 posted 05/12/18 4:18pm

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cloveringold85 said:

bondno9 said:

Why didn't they issue a warrant for Kirk Johnson's residence??? They found scripts issued in his name but didn't search his residence??? DUMB DUMB!!!

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Good question! Kirk was manager of PP and had full-access to that place, 24/7. The fact that they did not conduct a search warrant on his residence is beyond me!

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He was giving Percocet to Prince, which was prescribed in Kirk's name, so there is no telling what else he was giving him. rolleyes

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Kirk said he dropped Prince off around 8PM, but Meron stated that she and Kirk left around 10:30PM. eek

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Kirk & Meron picked up Andrew at his hotel on the 21st, and went for Breakfast, while Prince was in dire need of medical attention. Does this sound like they were worried about Prince? mad confused

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He probably also had access to a computer at home ... but they solely focused on Prince's laptop. Also, Prince had a desktop in the upstairs office I believe. That should have also been seized.

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The morning timeline of the 21st is still bothering me. A significant amount of time unaccounted for. In reviewing KJ'S cell phone records it looks like Andrew made several attempts to contact Kirk after landing from 6:22 a.m. - 7:42 a.m. I"m going to assume Kirk didn't p/u him up until after 7:42 a.m. Kirk then made two phone calls at 7:49 a.m. and 7:51 a.m. to Prince's bedroom and kitchen. After that no more attempts. What's even more strange is that Andrew didn't check in until 8:45 a.m. So what was going on between Andrew, Kirk, and Meron from 7:42 a.m. - 8:45 a.m. Andrew says that Kirk and Meron check him into the hotel and then they had breakfast. So, they had breakfast for maybe 15 mins? 8:45 a.m. - 9:00 a.m. and then headed for Paisley arriving at 9:15 a.m. approximately according to Andrew hmmm

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Andrew was taking to an office on the West side of the building. It was a larger office located off one of the larger recording studios. Yet, he was able to hear Meron scream and find his way towards the elevator?

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Also, Kirk stated looking in the black bag after the emergency landing but only finding medicine/prescription for something called Nyozen or something like that but couldn't remember the name ... UMM HMM

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Reply #162 posted 05/12/18 5:56pm

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bondno9 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Good question! Kirk was manager of PP and had full-access to that place, 24/7. The fact that they did not conduct a search warrant on his residence is beyond me!

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He was giving Percocet to Prince, which was prescribed in Kirk's name, so there is no telling what else he was giving him. rolleyes

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Kirk said he dropped Prince off around 8PM, but Meron stated that she and Kirk left around 10:30PM. eek

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Kirk & Meron picked up Andrew at his hotel on the 21st, and went for Breakfast, while Prince was in dire need of medical attention. Does this sound like they were worried about Prince? mad confused

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He probably also had access to a computer at home ... but they solely focused on Prince's laptop. Also, Prince had a desktop in the upstairs office I believe. That should have also been seized.

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The morning timeline of the 21st is still bothering me. A significant amount of time unaccounted for. In reviewing KJ'S cell phone records it looks like Andrew made several attempts to contact Kirk after landing from 6:22 a.m. - 7:42 a.m. I"m going to assume Kirk didn't p/u him up until after 7:42 a.m. Kirk then made two phone calls at 7:49 a.m. and 7:51 a.m. to Prince's bedroom and kitchen. After that no more attempts. What's even more strange is that Andrew didn't check in until 8:45 a.m. So what was going on between Andrew, Kirk, and Meron from 7:42 a.m. - 8:45 a.m. Andrew says that Kirk and Meron check him into the hotel and then they had breakfast. So, they had breakfast for maybe 15 mins? 8:45 a.m. - 9:00 a.m. and then headed for Paisley arriving at 9:15 a.m. approximately according to Andrew hmmm

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Andrew was taking to an office on the West side of the building. It was a larger office located off one of the larger recording studios. Yet, he was able to hear Meron scream and find his way towards the elevator?

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Also, Kirk stated looking in the black bag after the emergency landing but only finding medicine/prescription for something called Nyozen or something like that but couldn't remember the name ... UMM HMM

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That is a very good point -- why wasn't Kirk's personal home computer checked? hmmm

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I recall in the documents, Judith mentioned Prince's office, where he would leave in the middle of the night and go on his personal computer.

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I was reading Kirk's and Andrew's statements the other day, but I can't quite recall what time he picked-up Andrew. I think it's fair to say that the timeline does not add up. Why would Kirk be ringing Prince at 7:49AM? So, he just shrugged it off, and went for breakfast with Andrew and Meron? hmmm

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Yes, Andrew claimed he got to PP around 9-9:15AM-ish. It took them 30-minutes to locate Prince?! eek hmmm

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Andrew stated that he did not have any information on Prince's condition, only that he was struggling with opiates. neutral

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Andrew also stated that he was not aware that Dr. Shulenberg was making a visit on the 21st. This just keeps getting more and more weird. neutral

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But, Carver County Sheriff stated that they would leave no stone unturned. confused neutral

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Reply #163 posted 05/12/18 7:22pm

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bondno9 said:

1. Why didn't they obtain a search warrant for Kirk Johnson's residence??? They found scripts issued in his name but didn't search his residence??? DUMB DUMB!!!

2. Also where was the Percocet that Dr. S. prescribed in KJ's name? It obviously wasn't found at Paisley or any of Prince's possessions. So what happened to it?

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I'm not sure why everyone is saying Percocet. The pharmacy RX History says 2 scripts were filled for KJ on 4/14 at 2 different pharmacies. ( One Prescribed by a Dentist Dr. Boo and one by Dr. Schulenberg)

1. Oxycodone-Acetaminophen - 10

2. Acetaminophen- COD 3 - 15

One script filled at Walgreen @ 7845 Portland Ave S Bloomington, Mn

one script filled at CVS@ 7765 Galpin Blvd Chanhassen, Mn

It is stated in the narratives that investigators found the scripts in the dumpster at PP and all pills were accounted for. The 3 scripts written for Prince on 4/20 were NOT found at PP. KJ admitted to taking them to his home.... after first stating that he had thrown them away because Prince had said they weren't working for him. LE took one of KJ's relatives to his house @ 2178 Redfox Circle to retreave those 3 scripts and put them into evidence.

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Reply #164 posted 05/12/18 9:06pm

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zenarose said:

bondno9 said:

1. Why didn't they obtain a search warrant for Kirk Johnson's residence??? They found scripts issued in his name but didn't search his residence??? DUMB DUMB!!!

2. Also where was the Percocet that Dr. S. prescribed in KJ's name? It obviously wasn't found at Paisley or any of Prince's possessions. So what happened to it?

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I'm not sure why everyone is saying Percocet. The pharmacy RX History says 2 scripts were filled for KJ on 4/14 at 2 different pharmacies. ( One Prescribed by a Dentist Dr. Boo and one by Dr. Schulenberg)

1. Oxycodone-Acetaminophen - 10

2. Acetaminophen- COD 3 - 15

One script filled at Walgreen @ 7845 Portland Ave S Bloomington, Mn

one script filled at CVS@ 7765 Galpin Blvd Chanhassen, Mn

It is stated in the narratives that investigators found the scripts in the dumpster at PP and all pills were accounted for. The 3 scripts written for Prince on 4/20 were NOT found at PP. KJ admitted to taking them to his home.... after first stating that he had thrown them away because Prince had said they weren't working for him. LE took one of KJ's relatives to his house @ 2178 Redfox Circle to retreave those 3 scripts and put them into evidence.

What do you mean you don't understand why everyone is saying Percocet? It happends to be the brand name used by Dr. S and others in the investigation report. Dr S said he felt comfortable prescribing Prince 15 PERCOCET. He didn't say oxycodone-acetaminophen rolleyes Due to a typo in the stamp number from one of the incident reports I didn't see it listed in the evidence list We are aware of the 3 scripts (in Prince's name) being recovered from KJ's residence. However, that shouldn't have negated a search warrant being issued upon KJ's residence. The fact that other scripts issued in KJ' name were found at Paisley sholulhd have necessitated a warrant. If anything, to find evidence or knowledge of counterfeit pills. Instead, investigators limited their search instead of expanding it to include search warrants upon the residences of KJ, Ray Roberts, Meron (hotel, parents house), and even the Weltons. You don't leave any stone unturned in a criminal investigation ... and that includes EVERYONE associated with the victim.

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Reply #165 posted 05/12/18 10:09pm

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Goodness....google Percocet and you will find it is oxycodone and acetaminophen. I believe Percocet is the generic, or off brand name. In other words, they are one in the same.

Also, this opioid WAS found at PP in amongst other pills. I would have to look at the docs for the specifics but this has been discussed many, many times.
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Reply #166 posted 05/12/18 11:21pm

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bondno9 said:

zenarose said:

I'm not sure why everyone is saying Percocet. The pharmacy RX History says 2 scripts were filled for KJ on 4/14 at 2 different pharmacies. ( One Prescribed by a Dentist Dr. Boo and one by Dr. Schulenberg)

1. Oxycodone-Acetaminophen - 10

2. Acetaminophen- COD 3 - 15

One script filled at Walgreen @ 7845 Portland Ave S Bloomington, Mn

one script filled at CVS@ 7765 Galpin Blvd Chanhassen, Mn

It is stated in the narratives that investigators found the scripts in the dumpster at PP and all pills were accounted for. The 3 scripts written for Prince on 4/20 were NOT found at PP. KJ admitted to taking them to his home.... after first stating that he had thrown them away because Prince had said they weren't working for him. LE took one of KJ's relatives to his house @ 2178 Redfox Circle to retreave those 3 scripts and put them into evidence.

What do you mean you don't understand why everyone is saying Percocet? It happends to be the brand name used by Dr. S and others in the investigation report. Dr S said he felt comfortable prescribing Prince 15 PERCOCET. He didn't say oxycodone-acetaminophen rolleyes Due to a typo in the stamp number from one of the incident reports I didn't see it listed in the evidence list We are aware of the 3 scripts (in Prince's name) being recovered from KJ's residence. However, that shouldn't have negated a search warrant being issued upon KJ's residence. The fact that other scripts issued in KJ' name were found at Paisley sholulhd have necessitated a warrant. If anything, to find evidence or knowledge of counterfeit pills. Instead, investigators limited their search instead of expanding it to include search warrants upon the residences of KJ, Ray Roberts, Meron (hotel, parents house), and even the Weltons. You don't leave any stone unturned in a criminal investigation ... and that includes EVERYONE associated with the victim.

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Amen!!! to the bolded part!!!

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Reply #167 posted 05/12/18 11:28pm

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cloveringold85 said:

bondno9 said:

Why didn't they issue a warrant for Kirk Johnson's residence??? They found scripts issued in his name but didn't search his residence??? DUMB DUMB!!!

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Good question! Kirk was manager of PP and had full-access to that place, 24/7. The fact that they did not conduct a search warrant on his residence is beyond me!

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He was giving Percocet to Prince, which was prescribed in Kirk's name, so there is no telling what else he was giving him. rolleyes

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Kirk said he dropped Prince off around 8PM, but Meron stated that she and Kirk left around 10:30PM. eek

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Kirk & Meron picked up Andrew at his hotel on the 21st, and went for Breakfast, while Prince was in dire need of medical attention. Does this sound like they were worried about Prince? mad confused

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Something ain't adding up and sounds very fishy

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Reply #168 posted 05/12/18 11:51pm

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Krystalkisses said:

Also I thought back to Sheena Easton's date with Prince and how they road along in a limo and he wouldn't talk to her. And how he stopped at this spooky house and made her wait in the limo for quite a while with no explination when he came back. Any other time I would have thought , oh just mysterious Prince...now I am wondering if something shady was going on and it made me think of that Dr. D drug dealer guy who said he was dealing to Prince since the 80s because this incident must have happened around then. I really wonder if there is credibility to these stories saying he was a long time user...because alot of the mystery surrounding Prince was his attempt to hide an addiction. Yes it was brilliant marketing to have that private, mysterious aura surounding Prince, especially in the 1980s when you didn't have cell phone cameras, social media and TMZ, it really worked for him but then I wonder if that shroud of mystery served a dual purpose for him and his career. That is why I don't completely write of the Sinead thing. She always seemed genuninely scared of him. And just other clues that back then seemed ridiculous but now in light of things get you to wonder...like remember when that assistant lady came to Paisley Park and Ingrid Chavez and Prince were there and all the lights were out and she got really freaked out...just stuff like that makes you wonder.

Your last sentence, Whats that about and where did you learn about that? confused

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Reply #169 posted 05/13/18 12:08am

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Astasheiks said:



Krystalkisses said:


Also I thought back to Sheena Easton's date with Prince and how they road along in a limo and he wouldn't talk to her. And how he stopped at this spooky house and made her wait in the limo for quite a while with no explination when he came back. Any other time I would have thought , oh just mysterious Prince...now I am wondering if something shady was going on and it made me think of that Dr. D drug dealer guy who said he was dealing to Prince since the 80s because this incident must have happened around then. I really wonder if there is credibility to these stories saying he was a long time user...because alot of the mystery surrounding Prince was his attempt to hide an addiction. Yes it was brilliant marketing to have that private, mysterious aura surounding Prince, especially in the 1980s when you didn't have cell phone cameras, social media and TMZ, it really worked for him but then I wonder if that shroud of mystery served a dual purpose for him and his career. That is why I don't completely write of the Sinead thing. She always seemed genuninely scared of him. And just other clues that back then seemed ridiculous but now in light of things get you to wonder...like remember when that assistant lady came to Paisley Park and Ingrid Chavez and Prince were there and all the lights were out and she got really freaked out...just stuff like that makes you wonder.




Your last sentence, Whats that about and where did you learn about that? confused



I read it in Possessed by Alex Hahn, actually I don't think it was an assistant but Susan Rogers.
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Reply #170 posted 05/13/18 3:19am

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zenarose said:

I'm not sure why everyone is saying Percocet. The pharmacy RX History says 2 scripts were filled for KJ on 4/14 at 2 different pharmacies. ( One Prescribed by a Dentist Dr. Boo and one by Dr. Schulenberg)

1. Oxycodone-Acetaminophen - 10

2. Acetaminophen- COD 3 - 15

One script filled at Walgreen @ 7845 Portland Ave S Bloomington, Mn

one script filled at CVS@ 7765 Galpin Blvd Chanhassen, Mn

It is stated in the narratives that investigators found the scripts in the dumpster at PP and all pills were accounted for. The 3 scripts written for Prince on 4/20 were NOT found at PP. KJ admitted to taking them to his home.... after first stating that he had thrown them away because Prince had said they weren't working for him. LE took one of KJ's relatives to his house @ 2178 Redfox Circle to retreave those 3 scripts and put them into evidence.

What do you mean you don't understand why everyone is saying Percocet? It happends to be the brand name used by Dr. S and others in the investigation report. Dr S said he felt comfortable prescribing Prince 15 PERCOCET. He didn't say oxycodone-acetaminophen rolleyes Due to a typo in the stamp number from one of the incident reports I didn't see it listed in the evidence list We are aware of the 3 scripts (in Prince's name) being recovered from KJ's residence. However, that shouldn't have negated a search warrant being issued upon KJ's residence. The fact that other scripts issued in KJ' name were found at Paisley sholulhd have necessitated a warrant. If anything, to find evidence or knowledge of counterfeit pills. Instead, investigators limited their search instead of expanding it to include search warrants upon the residences of KJ, Ray Roberts, Meron (hotel, parents house), and even the Weltons. You don't leave any stone unturned in a criminal investigation ... and that includes EVERYONE associated with the victim.

[Edited 5/12/18 21:08pm]

I was referring to the information directly from the investigation files. In Electronics Records File #5, under the Misc. Documents is the actual RX History Form. The information came directly from pharmacy records. MB's Country Inn Suits room should have been searched as well as KJ's home, I fully agree with that. I have been researching this case since the beginning. I know how thorough investigations are conducted. The interviews were not so much fact finding as they were gossipy. As an example, if you read the Welton's interview, they were not separated and the detective was not in control of the situation. The detective asked very few questions. It was more of the Weltons endlessly chattering and the detective saying "yeah" every now and then. I noticed that during some of the interviews the sessions were interupted or stopped to be resumed later. YOU DON'T DO THAT!! Once an interview starts it should never be interupted or allowed to end without being completed. Something that I don't understand is that we have access to some statement transcripts from KJ,MB, RR,TN, but the audio was not released. The initial interviews from these folks were interupted and ended without completion, set aside for another time. That gave them time to confer with others and "think". I certainly have no alterior motive here other than to share truth and FACTS. I have spent the past 2 yrs...pretty much 24/7, investigating and researching. I was not questioning you BONDNO9. I was quoting verbatim what is stated in the RX History. Dr.S in his statement said Percocet. I am part of the "WE" here and have been. I respect others and was only commenting, giving information. Not everyone has downloaded the investigation files in it's entirety. I apologize if you mistook my post and were offended.

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Reply #171 posted 05/13/18 6:00am

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zenarose said:

I was referring to the information directly from the investigation files. In Electronics Records File #5, under the Misc. Documents is the actual RX History Form. The information came directly from pharmacy records. MB's Country Inn Suits room should have been searched as well as KJ's home, I fully agree with that. I have been researching this case since the beginning. I know how thorough investigations are conducted. The interviews were not so much fact finding as they were gossipy. As an example, if you read the Welton's interview, they were not separated and the detective was not in control of the situation. The detective asked very few questions. It was more of the Weltons endlessly chattering and the detective saying "yeah" every now and then. I noticed that during some of the interviews the sessions were interupted or stopped to be resumed later. YOU DON'T DO THAT!! Once an interview starts it should never be interupted or allowed to end without being completed. Something that I don't understand is that we have access to some statement transcripts from KJ,MB, RR,TN, but the audio was not released. The initial interviews from these folks were interupted and ended without completion, set aside for another time. That gave them time to confer with others and "think". I certainly have no alterior motive here other than to share truth and FACTS. I have spent the past 2 yrs...pretty much 24/7, investigating and researching. I was not questioning you BONDNO9. I was quoting verbatim what is stated in the RX History. Dr.S in his statement said Percocet. I am part of the "WE" here and have been. I respect others and was only commenting, giving information. Not everyone has downloaded the investigation files in it's entirety. I apologize if you mistook my post and were offended.

And they let Kirk take phone calls on his cell phone when they were interviewing him.

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Reply #172 posted 05/13/18 6:48am

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PennyPurple said:

zenarose said:

I was referring to the information directly from the investigation files. In Electronics Records File #5, under the Misc. Documents is the actual RX History Form. The information came directly from pharmacy records. MB's Country Inn Suits room should have been searched as well as KJ's home, I fully agree with that. I have been researching this case since the beginning. I know how thorough investigations are conducted. The interviews were not so much fact finding as they were gossipy. As an example, if you read the Welton's interview, they were not separated and the detective was not in control of the situation. The detective asked very few questions. It was more of the Weltons endlessly chattering and the detective saying "yeah" every now and then. I noticed that during some of the interviews the sessions were interupted or stopped to be resumed later. YOU DON'T DO THAT!! Once an interview starts it should never be interupted or allowed to end without being completed. Something that I don't understand is that we have access to some statement transcripts from KJ,MB, RR,TN, but the audio was not released. The initial interviews from these folks were interupted and ended without completion, set aside for another time. That gave them time to confer with others and "think". I certainly have no alterior motive here other than to share truth and FACTS. I have spent the past 2 yrs...pretty much 24/7, investigating and researching. I was not questioning you BONDNO9. I was quoting verbatim what is stated in the RX History. Dr.S in his statement said Percocet. I am part of the "WE" here and have been. I respect others and was only commenting, giving information. Not everyone has downloaded the investigation files in it's entirety. I apologize if you mistook my post and were offended.

And they let Kirk take phone calls on his cell phone when they were interviewing him.

Much love and respect to everyone here who is drilling down into the death investigation files with heart, intelligence and love. Let the light in...xoxo

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Reply #173 posted 05/13/18 7:11am

zenarose

PennyPurple said:

zenarose said:

I was referring to the information directly from the investigation files. In Electronics Records File #5, under the Misc. Documents is the actual RX History Form. The information came directly from pharmacy records. MB's Country Inn Suits room should have been searched as well as KJ's home, I fully agree with that. I have been researching this case since the beginning. I know how thorough investigations are conducted. The interviews were not so much fact finding as they were gossipy. As an example, if you read the Welton's interview, they were not separated and the detective was not in control of the situation. The detective asked very few questions. It was more of the Weltons endlessly chattering and the detective saying "yeah" every now and then. I noticed that during some of the interviews the sessions were interupted or stopped to be resumed later. YOU DON'T DO THAT!! Once an interview starts it should never be interupted or allowed to end without being completed. Something that I don't understand is that we have access to some statement transcripts from KJ,MB, RR,TN, but the audio was not released. The initial interviews from these folks were interupted and ended without completion, set aside for another time. That gave them time to confer with others and "think". I certainly have no alterior motive here other than to share truth and FACTS. I have spent the past 2 yrs...pretty much 24/7, investigating and researching. I was not questioning you BONDNO9. I was quoting verbatim what is stated in the RX History. Dr.S in his statement said Percocet. I am part of the "WE" here and have been. I respect others and was only commenting, giving information. Not everyone has downloaded the investigation files in it's entirety. I apologize if you mistook my post and were offended.

And they let Kirk take phone calls on his cell phone when they were interviewing him.

Yes and that should not have been allowed. Interviews are supposed to be conducted where there are no distractions. no no no! no no no! no no no!

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Reply #174 posted 05/13/18 8:07am

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zenarose said:

bondno9 said:

What do you mean you don't understand why everyone is saying Percocet? It happends to be the brand name used by Dr. S and others in the investigation report. Dr S said he felt comfortable prescribing Prince 15 PERCOCET. He didn't say oxycodone-acetaminophen rolleyes Due to a typo in the stamp number from one of the incident reports I didn't see it listed in the evidence list We are aware of the 3 scripts (in Prince's name) being recovered from KJ's residence. However, that shouldn't have negated a search warrant being issued upon KJ's residence. The fact that other scripts issued in KJ' name were found at Paisley sholulhd have necessitated a warrant. If anything, to find evidence or knowledge of counterfeit pills. Instead, investigators limited their search instead of expanding it to include search warrants upon the residences of KJ, Ray Roberts, Meron (hotel, parents house), and even the Weltons. You don't leave any stone unturned in a criminal investigation ... and that includes EVERYONE associated with the victim.

[Edited 5/12/18 21:08pm]

I was referring to the information directly from the investigation files. In Electronics Records File #5, under the Misc. Documents is the actual RX History Form. The information came directly from pharmacy records. MB's Country Inn Suits room should have been searched as well as KJ's home, I fully agree with that. I have been researching this case since the beginning. I know how thorough investigations are conducted. The interviews were not so much fact finding as they were gossipy. As an example, if you read the Welton's interview, they were not separated and the detective was not in control of the situation. The detective asked very few questions. It was more of the Weltons endlessly chattering and the detective saying "yeah" every now and then. I noticed that during some of the interviews the sessions were interupted or stopped to be resumed later. YOU DON'T DO THAT!! Once an interview starts it should never be interupted or allowed to end without being completed. Something that I don't understand is that we have access to some statement transcripts from KJ,MB, RR,TN, but the audio was not released. The initial interviews from these folks were interupted and ended without completion, set aside for another time. That gave them time to confer with others and "think". I certainly have no alterior motive here other than to share truth and FACTS. I have spent the past 2 yrs...pretty much 24/7, investigating and researching. I was not questioning you BONDNO9. I was quoting verbatim what is stated in the RX History. Dr.S in his statement said Percocet. I am part of the "WE" here and have been. I respect others and was only commenting, giving information. Not everyone has downloaded the investigation files in it's entirety. I apologize if you mistook my post and were offended.

There was nothing professional about those interviews. It was like the Police had already made up their minds about what had happened and were just going through the motions.

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Reply #175 posted 05/13/18 8:17am

precioux

cloveringold85 said:



PeteSilas said:




cloveringold85 said:



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Prince and Kirk were not close. The investigation documents have proven that.





what makes you say that? i haven't made my way past page 75 myself.



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Kirk was an enabler; that's why he got a lawyer. He said that Prince was very private.


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No one can convince me that Kirk did not know Prince was addicted to opiates. Kirk did not see all those bottles of pills in various rooms? Nope, sorry -- not buying that for one second!! disbelief


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B.S.!! mad



Page 32 of the transcripts (last paragraph),JH states that at the memorial KJ said “he knew all along”. Same paragraph, she said Prince asked in a prior conversation with KJ if he “would continue the shows if he (Prince) was not here.
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Reply #176 posted 05/13/18 8:20am

precioux

bondno9 said:



laytonian said:


purplerabbithole said:


"There was something said about a lipstick and cough drops in his room. Those were probably hers and used to keep her throat lozenged for singing."


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The lipstick: It would be Prince's. He used lipstick and lip balms generously. Who DOESN'T have something like that on their nightstand?
This is why my bedroom looks more like P's little green room than those overblown fancy "guest" apartments at PP: functionality. lol lol lol lol lol


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(gentle snippage because it's NOT necessary to quote 72.5 paragraphs!)


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The lipstick and cough drops were found in a different bedroom not the green room




Speaking of the green room, when JH was interviewed, she stated that P never ever had medicine in that room, nor in his bathroom anytime they spent time together. She said his bathroom did not have a medicine cabinet and was “simple” - toothpaste, listerine, etc etc -no pills ever
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Reply #177 posted 05/13/18 10:16am

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I don't doubt that he "knew" all along. I am just wondering what exactly "knew" meant. Maybe he used to pick up pills for p in his name, then stopped and P seemed to go off pills, but his health went to shit, people suspected it was pain and withdrawal, then KJ gave in again getting those 15 percocet, and then realized P had gotten other pills elsewhere..and was like "Oh, no, not this shit again". We don't know the ins and outs and ups and down's of this shit. We also shouldn't assume that P didn't take his own actions to get pills. He was carrying his own bags, he did have disguised bottles in those bags, he did have a vault with cash in it. He wasn't an invalid. He knew a lot of celebrities and others musicians other than Kirk Johnson and despite the looks of Paisley at the end of his life, his last two years weren't necessarily the same as the last weeks of severe denial. I was just watching the clips from his Baltimore concert for Peace in May of 2015. He knew a lot of frigging people. For all we know, he got drugs from doug e. fresh (doubtful, I am just throwing out one of many celebrities he knew and had casual friendships with.).

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precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Kirk was an enabler; that's why he got a lawyer. He said that Prince was very private.

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No one can convince me that Kirk did not know Prince was addicted to opiates. Kirk did not see all those bottles of pills in various rooms? Nope, sorry -- not buying that for one second!! disbelief

.

B.S.!! mad

Page 32 of the transcripts (last paragraph),JH states that at the memorial KJ said “he knew all along”. Same paragraph, she said Prince asked in a prior conversation with KJ if he “would continue the shows if he (Prince) was not here.

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Reply #178 posted 05/13/18 10:23am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:



PennyPurple said:




zenarose said:




I was referring to the information directly from the investigation files. In Electronics Records File #5, under the Misc. Documents is the actual RX History Form. The information came directly from pharmacy records. MB's Country Inn Suits room should have been searched as well as KJ's home, I fully agree with that. I have been researching this case since the beginning. I know how thorough investigations are conducted. The interviews were not so much fact finding as they were gossipy. As an example, if you read the Welton's interview, they were not separated and the detective was not in control of the situation. The detective asked very few questions. It was more of the Weltons endlessly chattering and the detective saying "yeah" every now and then. I noticed that during some of the interviews the sessions were interupted or stopped to be resumed later. YOU DON'T DO THAT!! Once an interview starts it should never be interupted or allowed to end without being completed. Something that I don't understand is that we have access to some statement transcripts from KJ,MB, RR,TN, but the audio was not released. The initial interviews from these folks were interupted and ended without completion, set aside for another time. That gave them time to confer with others and "think". I certainly have no alterior motive here other than to share truth and FACTS. I have spent the past 2 yrs...pretty much 24/7, investigating and researching. I was not questioning you BONDNO9. I was quoting verbatim what is stated in the RX History. Dr.S in his statement said Percocet. I am part of the "WE" here and have been. I respect others and was only commenting, giving information. Not everyone has downloaded the investigation files in it's entirety. I apologize if you mistook my post and were offended.











And they let Kirk take phone calls on his cell phone when they were interviewing him.



Much love and respect to everyone here who is drilling down into the death investigation files with heart, intelligence and love. Let the light in...xoxo



Yes! Thanks for acknowledging that! I second that. It is quite a lot of info to sift through. Thanks for all you orgers for your dedication and pointing out all the important info. I rely on your work to stay up to date on all of this. Prince sure had many fans who really loved him, I'm sure he appreciated you all much more than you will ever realise. smile
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Reply #179 posted 05/13/18 11:31am

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purplerabbithole said:

I don't doubt that he "knew" all along. I am just wondering what exactly "knew" meant. Maybe he used to pick up pills for p in his name, then stopped and P seemed to go off pills, but his health went to shit, people suspected it was pain and withdrawal, then KJ gave in again getting those 15 percocet, and then realized P had gotten other pills elsewhere..and was like "Oh, no, not this shit again". We don't know the ins and outs and ups and down's of this shit. We also shouldn't assume that P didn't take his own actions to get pills. He was carrying his own bags, he did have disguised bottles in those bags, he did have a vault with cash in it. He wasn't an invalid. He knew a lot of celebrities and others musicians other than Kirk Johnson and despite the looks of Paisley at the end of his life, his last two years weren't necessarily the same as the last weeks of severe denial. I was just watching the clips from his Baltimore concert for Peace in May of 2015. He knew a lot of frigging people. For all we know, he got drugs from doug e. fresh (doubtful, I am just throwing out one of many celebrities he knew and had casual friendships with.).




Image result for Prince st. barts



Image result for Prince st. barts



precioux said:


cloveringold85 said:


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Kirk was an enabler; that's why he got a lawyer. He said that Prince was very private.


.


No one can convince me that Kirk did not know Prince was addicted to opiates. Kirk did not see all those bottles of pills in various rooms? Nope, sorry -- not buying that for one second!! disbelief


.


B.S.!! mad



Page 32 of the transcripts (last paragraph),JH states that at the memorial KJ said “he knew all along”. Same paragraph, she said Prince asked in a prior conversation with KJ if he “would continue the shows if he (Prince) was not here.


Prince knew a lot of different people and knew many famous faces, in the investagative files Manuela said during their marriage prince's drug dealer was a well known producer, this same producer tried to attend the memorial she put together but she blocked him/her from going. Who knows where prince got those pills
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