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Reply #90 posted 05/10/18 10:03pm

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Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MISSED YOU MENES! the 'all will be well' attitude has a germ of truth re the recovery process in that an addict will never get sober unless and until they want to. Thus said, I don't think Prince wanted to get clean and sober bc the opiods were doing such a great job of dulling all manner of pain in his life...pain that had been tormenting him from childhood...if his creation myths are to be believed.

The only problems were that 1) he needed more and more to feel good, 2) his huge intake was affecting his overall health and 3) after Moline when his addiction was outed...when, as you put it so powerfully "he lost everything he worked so hard to preserve"...there was no reason for him to go on because the "Prince" he created by sheer will and his God-given talent no longer existed.

I think he was essentially checked out at that point, his life as "Prince" the clean living, God will take care of everything, I'm so smart and cool and hip I can never get played...that Dude was gone.

Missed you too! Yea, I never bought into that "I am taking opiates simply to numb pain " business.

Pain , was the excuse. Addiction, the catalyst.

As far as points (1),(2) and (3), you are correct. No amount of brief ideas about opiate cessation could undermine the need to feed that addiction. All bets were off when he got busted. All of the preaching, the lectures, the admonishments, must have presented themselves as a repetitive cacophony... a hymnal of "swallow your own words". This must have been torture to be so exposed.

God , the Elohim, will not interfere with what the human with free will intends to do. Touch it , and it shall touch you...whatever that may be. Poor thing was heavily misguided . Prince , "created" Prince. Duality is not governed by impunity ,but by hypocrisy.

On to the music... It is the only thing I care to remember. If I were to lump his music into the same pot as his personal life, the whole pot would go to shit. The music and the performances are without rival for a generation. Though this too shall pass, it is our generation that preserves it. We will always be able to have a moment in time where upon hearing a certain song that he created, the translation will remain the same ... hypnotic.

...and erotic! yes yes eye

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Reply #91 posted 05/11/18 4:11am

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Let's not forget that he "felt his feelings" through his music. But it was his music/performance that had physically started breaking him down and unfortunately the drugs were making the performances harder as well. When I listen to the P and M tour, I don't hear a man devoid of emotion or numb at all or just going through the paces. I hear a man full of life, memories, and even regret. However, the natural high of music (as well as its emotional catharsis) can not be dublicated in daily life. Many artists have this problem--coming down from an artistic high. Music was a safe haven where he could cryptically explore and express his emotions (even if they are more basic, hopeful, and nostalgic than what was going on in his life.) I am not going to fight with people here, but I do sometimes think that folks obsessed with the bleakness of his last days forget that PRince's life always had a particular struggle--the ability to live without music was unfathomable 30 years ago and it remained that way to the end. Prince said in 1986 that people thought he might die because of his workaholic ways. People have known about this crutch for years. But did he or anyone else around him know any other way for him to be?? It is in my humble opinion, Prince's fear of getting mental health treatment (psychairists) and well as some of his sub-culture's/upbringing's attitude about seeing mental health professionals and admitting vulnerability (as if admitting that you don't have control over everything and need mental health is like painting a big target for the "man" or whomever" to aim his attack at). Prince had a degree of paranoia and fear that would have been decreased had he gotten the mental health he needed. Prince created a rock star to hide behind and at times I do think he made himself believe sincerely that God would take care of him, that the asperger syndrome-like obsessions with the rhythms and melodies in his head was God's gift rather than his own mental burdern. All this being said, he made a decent run of it for 57 years. And despite his moody personality and the up and downs of his personal relationships, there were quite a few warm bonding moments between him and others that many people on this thread (I believe) choose to either disbelieve or ignore just because they assume that everyone around him were completley callous about his struggles. I contend these other artists understood them perhaps more than we think but also may have went through them themselves. Artists do go into art for a reason. they knew that without being able to work and maintain control of over his image and privacy,, prince psychologically and emotionally (without professional help) would have died anyhow. Massive conundrum for those around him who understood this but also needed to keep their jobs and their own artistic expression in tact. Big lesson here-- don't surround yourself with artists or inspiring artists at all times--they don't have the objectivity to help you. Not saying callous folks weren't working from (his two assistants in particular strike me that way), but even after reading the report, I don't think it was that simple because the man himself was not that simple. When not one person knows more tha 15% of you and you have a tight reign over your image, its hard for others to know how to help you, how bad things are getting, and what every behavior indicates at all times. Sure there were people who didn't care, but I still suspect that there were just as many people who did care but felt powerless to do anything because P's psychology was the root of the problem.



Krystalkisses said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MISSED YOU MENES! the 'all will be well' attitude has a germ of truth re the recovery process in that an addict will never get sober unless and until they want to. Thus said, I don't think Prince wanted to get clean and sober bc the opiods were doing such a great job of dulling all manner of pain in his life...pain that had been tormenting him from childhood...if his creation myths are to be believed.

The only problems were that 1) he needed more and more to feel good, 2) his huge intake was affecting his overall health and 3) after Moline when his addiction was outed...when, as you put it so powerfully "he lost everything he worked so hard to preserve"...there was no reason for him to go on because the "Prince" he created by sheer will and his God-given talent no longer existed.

I think he was essentially checked out at that point, his life as "Prince" the clean living, God will take care of everything, I'm so smart and cool and hip I can never get played...that Dude was gone.

wow. Yes I think he was ill equipt to actually even feel his feelings. As so many addicts are, even so many everyday people do this with all kinds of vices. But I can imagine long term opiate use really numbs your emotions it was probably very scary and daunting for him to imagine part of the recovery process is breaking down your ego and actually processing emotion again.

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Reply #92 posted 05/11/18 5:24am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Awe c'mon. His house wasn't staged to look as if he was doing drugs. Let's at least stick to the facts.

His living quarters looked like the abode of an individual who had been doing drugs for a long time. Let's get real, who takes pain meds for legit pain and then keeps them in a Bayer bottle? The intense disorganization in his green bedroom (oops, opoid tangled in the sheets, etc.), the chaos on his dressing table and food left out on a kitchen table (most people would refrigerate it if you're not going to eat it) practically screams 'I'm checked out.' The intensity and absurdity of the excuses and rationalizations people make for Prince in the face of his tragic struggles with pain and addiction are almost as sickening as his pain and addiction.

I can't believe people believe that his house was 'staged' to look like he did drugs. mad Staged, my arse.

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Reply #93 posted 05/11/18 5:28am

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Awe c'mon. His house wasn't staged to look as if he was doing drugs. Let's at least stick to the facts.

It's to bad they did not finger print what was found in his house...

I agree with that. They should've done a lot more then they did, and sooner. It was a shoddy investigation.

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Reply #94 posted 05/11/18 7:19am

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PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

His living quarters looked like the abode of an individual who had been doing drugs for a long time. Let's get real, who takes pain meds for legit pain and then keeps them in a Bayer bottle? The intense disorganization in his green bedroom (oops, opoid tangled in the sheets, etc.), the chaos on his dressing table and food left out on a kitchen table (most people would refrigerate it if you're not going to eat it) practically screams 'I'm checked out.' The intensity and absurdity of the excuses and rationalizations people make for Prince in the face of his tragic struggles with pain and addiction are almost as sickening as his pain and addiction.

I can't believe people believe that his house was 'staged' to look like he did drugs. mad Staged, my arse.

Umm I wouldn't take the green room as evidence of an individual that had been doing drugs for a long time. To say that we would need to know when he started "liviing" in the green room because it is in stark contrast to the other bedroom that leads into the green room. The other bedrrom has mirrors, a couch, mini refrigerator and looked to be very neat and orderly. In addition his office upstairs appeared to be tidy and orderly. Even everything in his refrigerator was lined up and orderly. Items on the kichen counter also. Even the meal on the table was "perfect" and orderly. I mean the containers were lined up nice and neat. Even the little container of sauce. I don't believe the green room was his main "bedroom."

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Reply #95 posted 05/11/18 7:43am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:



Krystalkisses said:




Bodhitheblackdog said:



MISSED YOU MENES! the 'all will be well' attitude has a germ of truth re the recovery process in that an addict will never get sober unless and until they want to. Thus said, I don't think Prince wanted to get clean and sober bc the opiods were doing such a great job of dulling all manner of pain in his life...pain that had been tormenting him from childhood...if his creation myths are to be believed.



The only problems were that 1) he needed more and more to feel good, 2) his huge intake was affecting his overall health and 3) after Moline when his addiction was outed...when, as you put it so powerfully "he lost everything he worked so hard to preserve"...there was no reason for him to go on because the "Prince" he created by sheer will and his God-given talent no longer existed.



I think he was essentially checked out at that point, his life as "Prince" the clean living, God will take care of everything, I'm so smart and cool and hip I can never get played...that Dude was gone.




wow. Yes I think he was ill equipt to actually even feel his feelings. As so many addicts are, even so many everyday people do this with all kinds of vices. But I can imagine long term opiate use really numbs your emotions it proably very scary and daunting for him to imagine part of the recovery process is breaking down your ego and actually processing emotion again.



I think this is a brilliant and quite origional observation, KK, a big contribution to the conversation. It is SO TRUE that addicts become emotionally numb either intentionally (drugging to dull emotional pain) or as a side-effect of the drug use. After years of use..HOW CAN ONE KNOW HOW to feel and process authentic emotion??? As challenging as is the thought of rehab for physical withdrawel...imagine the fears associated with the NECESSARY ACCOMPANYING THERAPY to insure that the addict can function as a HUMAN BEING once agan. At that point in his life, I don't think Prince had the strength and focus necessary to go down that path...I think he wanted to crawl into Gods' lap and rest in peace.


I cannot imagine Prince ever exposing himself as is necessary in recovery; he always seemed to want and need to be in total control which goes against what is necesssry for recovery.
For him to surrender and let go of his ego? I'm not sure he could've done it honestly. I think his best shot for it was while married to Mayte.
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Reply #96 posted 05/11/18 7:50am

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bondno9 said:



PennyPurple said:




Bodhitheblackdog said:



His living quarters looked like the abode of an individual who had been doing drugs for a long time. Let's get real, who takes pain meds for legit pain and then keeps them in a Bayer bottle? The intense disorganization in his green bedroom (oops, opoid tangled in the sheets, etc.), the chaos on his dressing table and food left out on a kitchen table (most people would refrigerate it if you're not going to eat it) practically screams 'I'm checked out.' The intensity and absurdity of the excuses and rationalizations people make for Prince in the face of his tragic struggles with pain and addiction are almost as sickening as his pain and addiction.



I can't believe people believe that his house was 'staged' to look like he did drugs. mad Staged, my arse.




Umm I wouldn't take the green room as evidence of an individual that had been doing drugs for a long time. To say that we would need to know when he started "liviing" in the green room because it is in stark contrast to the other bedroom that leads into the green room. The other bedrrom has mirrors, a couch, mini refrigerator and looked to be very neat and orderly. In addition his office upstairs appeared to be tidy and orderly. Even everything in his refrigerator was lined up and orderly. Items on the kichen counter also. Even the meal on the table was "perfect" and orderly. I mean the containers were lined up nice and neat. Even the little container of sauce. I don't believe the green room was his main "bedroom."


Green room was his main room according to the reports
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Reply #97 posted 05/11/18 7:50am

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Krystalkisses said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:



Krystalkisses said:




Bodhitheblackdog said:



MISSED YOU MENES! the 'all will be well' attitude has a germ of truth re the recovery process in that an addict will never get sober unless and until they want to. Thus said, I don't think Prince wanted to get clean and sober bc the opiods were doing such a great job of dulling all manner of pain in his life...pain that had been tormenting him from childhood...if his creation myths are to be believed.



The only problems were that 1) he needed more and more to feel good, 2) his huge intake was affecting his overall health and 3) after Moline when his addiction was outed...when, as you put it so powerfully "he lost everything he worked so hard to preserve"...there was no reason for him to go on because the "Prince" he created by sheer will and his God-given talent no longer existed.



I think he was essentially checked out at that point, his life as "Prince" the clean living, God will take care of everything, I'm so smart and cool and hip I can never get played...that Dude was gone.




wow. Yes I think he was ill equipt to actually even feel his feelings. As so many addicts are, even so many everyday people do this with all kinds of vices. But I can imagine long term opiate use really numbs your emotions it proably very scary and daunting for him to imagine part of the recovery process is breaking down your ego and actually processing emotion again.



I think this is a brilliant and quite origional observation, KK, a big contribution to the conversation. It is SO TRUE that addicts become emotionally numb either intentionally (drugging to dull emotional pain) or as a side-effect of the drug use. After years of use..HOW CAN ONE KNOW HOW to feel and process authentic emotion??? As challenging as is the thought of rehab for physical withdrawel...imagine the fears associated with the NECESSARY ACCOMPANYING THERAPY to insure that the addict can function as a HUMAN BEING once again. At that point in his life, I don't think Prince had the strength and focus necessary to go down that path...I think he wanted to crawl into Gods' lap and rest in peace.



Yes, or deep down he did not trust himself enough.sad


Unfortunately, I do not believe he had enough faith in anything to truly trust. And addiction doesn't help that process. Faith without works is dead is a phrase that comes to mind.
I am not suggesting he had no faith, but that he did not allow himself to truly surrender to a power greater than himself. How could he if he were to remain being Prince?
My opinion. wink
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Reply #98 posted 05/11/18 8:26am

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Krystalkisses said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:



Krystalkisses said:




Bodhitheblackdog said:



MISSED YOU MENES! the 'all will be well' attitude has a germ of truth re the recovery process in that an addict will never get sober unless and until they want to. Thus said, I don't think Prince wanted to get clean and sober bc the opiods were doing such a great job of dulling all manner of pain in his life...pain that had been tormenting him from childhood...if his creation myths are to be believed.



The only problems were that 1) he needed more and more to feel good, 2) his huge intake was affecting his overall health and 3) after Moline when his addiction was outed...when, as you put it so powerfully "he lost everything he worked so hard to preserve"...there was no reason for him to go on because the "Prince" he created by sheer will and his God-given talent no longer existed.



I think he was essentially checked out at that point, his life as "Prince" the clean living, God will take care of everything, I'm so smart and cool and hip I can never get played...that Dude was gone.




wow. Yes I think he was ill equipt to actually even feel his feelings. As so many addicts are, even so many everyday people do this with all kinds of vices. But I can imagine long term opiate use really numbs your emotions it proably very scary and daunting for him to imagine part of the recovery process is breaking down your ego and actually processing emotion again.



I think this is a brilliant and quite origional observation, KK, a big contribution to the conversation. It is SO TRUE that addicts become emotionally numb either intentionally (drugging to dull emotional pain) or as a side-effect of the drug use. After years of use..HOW CAN ONE KNOW HOW to feel and process authentic emotion??? As challenging as is the thought of rehab for physical withdrawel...imagine the fears associated with the NECESSARY ACCOMPANYING THERAPY to insure that the addict can function as a HUMAN BEING once again. At that point in his life, I don't think Prince had the strength and focus necessary to go down that path...I think he wanted to crawl into Gods' lap and rest in peace.



Yes, or deep down he did not trust himself enough.sad
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At some point everyone has a relapse and there are too many people around to ‘help’ him just this once so the show can go on. I think he knew that wouldn’t change.
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Reply #99 posted 05/11/18 8:34am

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There is ample evidence to support the fact that Prince had several plans which do not support the narrative that he may have taken his own life. Prince was working with a new band with young musicians on a new album; he released a new album and a song from an upcoming new album; started writing his memoirs for a book which the publisher will release later this year; ordered several new shoes for his Summer tour; received a brand new piano from Yamaha, and a new custom guitar; asked the Musical Director who did orchestral compositions for his albums to block time on his calendar in the Summer so they could work on a new Minneapolis sound following the release of his song "Baltimore"; renovated the Sound Stage at Paisley Park to host his solo 'Piano And A Microphone' concert and planned concerts for various artists; was mentoring several young musicians; and reached out to several previous colleagues.

Sorry that is not prove of not having a drug dependency. No one every thinks their habit is going to kill them. Michael Jackson planned a world tour and had to be put under like he was having a appendectomy every night. Denial and addiction goes hand in hand. Prince when home after Moline remember? If a out of body experience didn’t make him cancel a thing, he was in either denial or acceptance.
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Reply #100 posted 05/11/18 8:54am

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Prince did cancel some engagements after Moline. Also, in looking at the computer data he sent an email to Meron on 4/19 stating that someone wanted him 2 sing The Most Beautiful Girl in the World 4 a Mother's dAy special with Queen Latifah. He inferred that he declined because of being "grounded."

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Reply #101 posted 05/11/18 8:55am

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PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: It's to bad they did not finger print what was found in his house...

I agree with that. They should've done a lot more then they did, and sooner. It was a shoddy investigation.



They did take fingerprints from items in his house.

However, they didnt take Prince's fingerprints.

But they did complete DNA testing.

And Ps DNA was all over the Bayer and Aleve bottles.

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Reply #102 posted 05/11/18 9:03am

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Going through an incident report that lists names of subjects involved on 4/21. Who is Diane Tamara Frappier? She was 44 at the time and had an address listed in Oakland, CA.

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Reply #103 posted 05/11/18 9:10am

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bondno9 said:

Going through an incident report that lists names of subjects involved on 4/21. Who is Diane Tamara Frappier? She was 44 at the time and had an address listed in Oakland, CA.



She is an attorney that works with Phaedra.

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Reply #104 posted 05/11/18 9:35am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree with that. They should've done a lot more then they did, and sooner. It was a shoddy investigation.



They did take fingerprints from items in his house.

However, they didnt take Prince's fingerprints.

But they did complete DNA testing.

And Ps DNA was all over the Bayer and Aleve bottles.

A very poor investigation. No fingerprints from elevator???? Also, a Lt. Eric Kittelson #804 in his incident report dated 4/26 he observed on 4/21 on a nightstand an opened bag of Halls cough drops and a tube of lipstick in a bedroom (soutwest corner of Paisley). He pointed it out to a Sgt Magnuson but the items were not collected for testing eek

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Reply #105 posted 05/11/18 9:58am

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Strawberrylova123 said:

bondno9 said:

Umm I wouldn't take the green room as evidence of an individual that had been doing drugs for a long time. To say that we would need to know when he started "liviing" in the green room because it is in stark contrast to the other bedroom that leads into the green room. The other bedrrom has mirrors, a couch, mini refrigerator and looked to be very neat and orderly. In addition his office upstairs appeared to be tidy and orderly. Even everything in his refrigerator was lined up and orderly. Items on the kichen counter also. Even the meal on the table was "perfect" and orderly. I mean the containers were lined up nice and neat. Even the little container of sauce. I don't believe the green room was his main "bedroom."

Green room was his main room according to the reports

Yeah, but I wonder if it really was his main room. As substainted by the photos and according to the incident report by Sergeant DeWitt Moler (#813) there was a doorway that had a sign on the side stating that only "authorized" personnel were allowed. The room appeared to be a private receiving/dressing room with a bed on the north side of the room. There were couches and chairs along with an open suitcase of beauty products. The next room was Prince's bedroom according to Kirk. As we know, this is the green room. It's really weird because if no one was allowed into his private living area of Paisely why would you need a sign stating only "authorized" personnel were allowed. This appeared to be the only room on the "private" side that had such a sign. Essentially, to get to the green room you had to go through the "authorized" room it appears. Interesting.

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Reply #106 posted 05/11/18 10:23am

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prince did hint about his struggles with addiction in 2014 from this interview with rolling stone magazine , it went over so many peoples heads neutral here's an excerpt

Afterward, the band does a photo shoot in Studio C – one shot is intended for the cover of a "Stopthistrain" single that never actually comes out. Prince disappears for a while before returning with a MacBook that has Delilah live on Skype – he shows her the shoot via webcam. It's past midnight when we begin talking again. He mentions a desire to mentor Chris Brown, says he invited him to Paisley Park. I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He's shocked. "Unforgivable?" he says. "Goodness. That's when we go check the master, Christ. ... Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?" I shake my head. "It's the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person's whole stance." He talks more about mentoring and helping peers, so I wonder aloud if he thinks he could've forestalled Michael Jackson's fate. "I don't want to talk about it," Prince says at first. "I'm too close to it." He goes on: "He is just one of many who have gone through that door – Amy Winehouse and folks. We're all connected, right, we're all brothers and sisters, and the minute we lock that in, we wouldn't let anybody in our family fall. That's why I called Chris Brown. All of us need to be able to reach out and just fix stuff. There's nothing that's unforgivable."

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Reply #107 posted 05/11/18 10:25am

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Rita Ora said the green room was his room as well and she knew this because she asked to use a hairdryer and he let her go into his bathroom to use his. Is she part of a conspiracy?? Prince was a complicated and compartmentalized man. Sonetimes he probably allowed people into his personal space with permission and sometimes he probably didn’t. sometimes he lived the glamorous life and sometimes he probably did not. Judith said the green room was his as well.
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purplerabbithole said:

Rita Ora said the green room was his room as well and she knew this because she asked to use a hairdryer and he let her go into his bathroom to use his. Is she part of a conspiracy?? Prince was a complicated and compartmentalized man. Sonetimes he probably allowed people into his personal space with permission and sometimes he probably didn’t. sometimes he lived the glamorous life and sometimes he probably did not. Judith said the green room was his as well.

When did Rita make this statement? Before or after his death?

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Reply #109 posted 05/11/18 12:26pm

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Kirk is a bald headed untruthful human being!!! The more I re-read his statement mad

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I don't even know where to begin with Kirk's statements. I just can't believe how a grown man can act this way! We are supposed to believe that he didn't know Prince was addicted to pain pills, when his other associates gave statements that they knew about it? Come on! I got so upset when he went on CBS and when he was asked if Prince was in pain, he replied: "I don't know". disbelief

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The way they were all behaving on 4/21/16 was shady (Kirk, Meron, Phaedra), and how Andrew described the scene; how horrifying!! It's like Kirk saw Prince's body, laying there and did NOTHING! His first reaction should have been to Call 911!! Is he really this clueless in life? Good God! I would not want him as a friend.

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After reading Andrew's statements, I feel really bad for him that he was put in that situation. You could tell he was very nervous and was worried about this ruining his career/future. His father should have never sent him to PP. Now, he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.

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Another thing that upsets me is the fact that Kirk threw away the Rx that Dr. Schulenberg gave to Prince on the 20th, because Prince said they weren't working. Why would you throw them away, in less than 24-hours? That's stupid!

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Reply #110 posted 05/11/18 12:31pm

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bondno9 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



They did take fingerprints from items in his house.

However, they didnt take Prince's fingerprints.

But they did complete DNA testing.

And Ps DNA was all over the Bayer and Aleve bottles.

A very poor investigation. No fingerprints from elevator???? Also, a Lt. Eric Kittelson #804 in his incident report dated 4/26 he observed on 4/21 on a nightstand an opened bag of Halls cough drops and a tube of lipstick in a bedroom (soutwest corner of Paisley). He pointed it out to a Sgt Magnuson but the items were not collected for testing eek

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Also, they did not swab the stain inside the elevator wall, until a few days later. eek

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Amateur investigators at best. rolleyes

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Reply #111 posted 05/11/18 12:58pm

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I don't think dusting the elevator (or anywhere in PP, really) for fingerprints was the issue. Tons of people were in and out of that elevator and other parts of PP regularly so finding their fingerprints wouldnt have told the investigators much I don't think.

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I think the crime that the investigators would be interested in solving would be from whom/how did prince acquire his illegal pills and since it's likely that supplier didn't even interact with Prince on PP property, I think the supply chain would potentially be uncovered through interviews and searching records (computer, mail, phone etc). Those are the investigative tactics that I could see could maybe be done differently or more of to get at answers, rather than the "CSI"-style stuff.

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One thing I wish we knew was who deleted his email history, and why. That would be indicative to me of someone specifically trying to conceal something.

bondno9 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



They did take fingerprints from items in his house.

However, they didnt take Prince's fingerprints.

But they did complete DNA testing.

And Ps DNA was all over the Bayer and Aleve bottles.

A very poor investigation. No fingerprints from elevator???? Also, a Lt. Eric Kittelson #804 in his incident report dated 4/26 he observed on 4/21 on a nightstand an opened bag of Halls cough drops and a tube of lipstick in a bedroom (soutwest corner of Paisley). He pointed it out to a Sgt Magnuson but the items were not collected for testing eek

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Reply #112 posted 05/11/18 1:33pm

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cloveringold85 said:

bondno9 said:

Kirk is a bald headed untruthful human being!!! The more I re-read his statement mad

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I don't even know where to begin with Kirk's statements. I just can't believe how a grown man can act this way! We are supposed to believe that he didn't know Prince was addicted to pain pills, when his other associates gave statements that they knew about it? Come on! I got so upset when he went on CBS and when he was asked if Prince was in pain, he replied: "I don't know". disbelief

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The way they were all behaving on 4/21/16 was shady (Kirk, Meron, Phaedra), and how Andrew described the scene; how horrifying!! It's like Kirk saw Prince's body, laying there and did NOTHING! His first reaction should have been to Call 911!! Is he really this clueless in life? Good God! I would not want him as a friend.

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After reading Andrew's statements, I feel really bad for him that he was put in that situation. You could tell he was very nervous and was worried about this ruining his career/future. His father should have never sent him to PP. Now, he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.

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Another thing that upsets me is the fact that Kirk threw away the Rx that Dr. Schulenberg gave to Prince on the 20th, because Prince said they weren't working. Why would you throw them away, in less than 24-hours? That's stupid!

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Kirk knows a lot more than he's let on - you can take that to the bank. He knows more than a lot of people but will never say anything, maybe out of respect to P, but most likely due to other ulterior motives.

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Reply #113 posted 05/11/18 2:32pm

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TrcikyChristopher said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I don't even know where to begin with Kirk's statements. I just can't believe how a grown man can act this way! We are supposed to believe that he didn't know Prince was addicted to pain pills, when his other associates gave statements that they knew about it? Come on! I got so upset when he went on CBS and when he was asked if Prince was in pain, he replied: "I don't know". disbelief

.

The way they were all behaving on 4/21/16 was shady (Kirk, Meron, Phaedra), and how Andrew described the scene; how horrifying!! It's like Kirk saw Prince's body, laying there and did NOTHING! His first reaction should have been to Call 911!! Is he really this clueless in life? Good God! I would not want him as a friend.

.

After reading Andrew's statements, I feel really bad for him that he was put in that situation. You could tell he was very nervous and was worried about this ruining his career/future. His father should have never sent him to PP. Now, he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.

.

Another thing that upsets me is the fact that Kirk threw away the Rx that Dr. Schulenberg gave to Prince on the 20th, because Prince said they weren't working. Why would you throw them away, in less than 24-hours? That's stupid!

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Kirk knows a lot more than he's let on - you can take that to the bank. He knows more than a lot of people but will never say anything, maybe out of respect to P, but most likely due to other ulterior motives.

my take is that Kirk and P shared a LOT for a long time...the longest relationship of his life...full stop.

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Reply #114 posted 05/11/18 3:55pm

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Reasonable doubt theories... (trying to prove that less cynical explanations might actually exist...but none of these are in any way confirmable, I admit.Life's nuances are sometimes even more complicated than conspiracies.)

a.) when Michael stated that kirk came back from finding Prince, kirk looked like he was stressed about interrupting P, and then brought Meron back...and then later Michael hearing Meron scream. ---- Here's my reasonable doubt theory. Kirk got a quick glance of P laying on his side in the elevator, thought he was either sleeping, passed out or stoned but wasn't sure. Went back to get Meron, they both got a second closer looker, and he was stiff, no heartbeat, rigor had set in etc...all the tell tale signs of death...Then she screamed. Michael came over (and with his background as a med student, knew right away that Prince was dead. The warmth on his face was strictly from the heat in the building. the stiff arm/no heartbeat was a tell tale sign.) they freaked out for about ten or 20 minutes but realized quickly that a celebrity death will be covered by press, so they cleaned him up by turning his clothes around so that the vomit covered side was not noticeable, crying and upset the whole time.

b.) Prince's computer. Now, if I recall correctly, Prince's lawyer told the investigators that they coud look at P's computer if the lawyer was around to watch them (to double check that only prevalent information was included in their investigation.) the cops refused for whatever reason..came back 5 days later with a search warrant and everything was cleared. Is it possible that the lawyer told folks about how these investigations will be made public and all the private personal info will be exposed to public as a result. Fearing for P's privacy or even information that would P look like a chronic procurer of drugs coming out, they had no time to peruse the gmails for personal non-prevalent gmails, so they just quickly deleted everything.



3.) What people know or don't know about P's drug problem...he may have had an addiction that come and went but nothing quite as bad as it got at the end. In the past..He may have seemed to be taking pills strictly for pain but occassionally overdid it. THerefore, his musicians and casual friends knew but yet thought that since he was not a recreational user and for a while was under doctor supervision (and bcause of his use of less dangerous forms of pain control as well (vitamins, chiropactic table, arm braces etc) , he would do his best to keep it under control and himself as healthy as possible. At one point however, he may have been cut off from the drugs (due to doctor's fears and the long time nature of the need). Then when his health first started to go down hill, maybe some people reasoned that perhaps his health issues and maybe even psychological issues were because of the lack of drugs for relief. In other words, a belief that his dealing with chronic pain minus the drugs had become physically and emotionally difficult and causing mood shifts and isolated behavior. . I say this because Prince was doing sit-down piano tours, stopped playing guitar, and was telling folks that he was going to downsize because he was getting older etc--all behaviors that seem to indicate a man with pain trying to give his body a break.. Maybe this was an initial feeling until his symptoms became too obviously drugs (extreme thinness, cancelled shows, and finally the first overdose.) At some point in 2015, Prince (who did carry his own bags --see St. Bart's pictures and did have cash stashes hidden in his vault etc) decided to ask someone on the road or some "friend" of his out of Europe or from the industry if they had anything for pain and that person gave him 4 or 5 bottles of that scary street shit he started taking. Kirk may not have known entirely what was going on--(knew he had a history but didn't know about the counterfit shit) after all, folks called him a man who got overwhelmed sometimes at his job..and why create a paper trail to yourself for 15 percocet if you were procuring illegal counterfit pills that were much more than 15. Prince kept that man pretty busy and his mood swings could have seemd to him to be for a number of reasons (that is, for a little while until it became painfully obvious he was using again.) . Meron probably knew more than him because she probably bought the enemas.



4.) Judith's girlfriend status...maybe it is true. P was one secretive man. Maybe they wanted it to be a secret between the two of them--thus the reason she went back to L.A the next day. If she stuck around, people would know they were closer than they thought. there are indications that she kept tabs on him from L.A. Not saying she shouldn't have stayed but we don't know all the details. And hte only people who could be totally knowledgable about this stuff are P and herself. She was gone for 2 weeks out of the month so maybe when she was around he tried to stay as clean as possible. There was something said about a lipstick and cough drops in his room. Those were probably hers and used to keep her throat lozenged for singing.



5.) Larry Graham's insenstive statement to Manuela...who knows what he felt when he said. Maybe he was trying to make her feel better (and did the opposite) whilst he was still concerned himself. DOn't know enough about it. I am still inclined to think he is an insensitive dick but who knows?

cloveringold85 said:

bondno9 said:

Kirk is a bald headed untruthful human being!!! The more I re-read his statement mad

.

I don't even know where to begin with Kirk's statements. I just can't believe how a grown man can act this way! We are supposed to believe that he didn't know Prince was addicted to pain pills, when his other associates gave statements that they knew about it? Come on! I got so upset when he went on CBS and when he was asked if Prince was in pain, he replied: "I don't know". disbelief

.

The way they were all behaving on 4/21/16 was shady (Kirk, Meron, Phaedra), and how Andrew described the scene; how horrifying!! It's like Kirk saw Prince's body, laying there and did NOTHING! His first reaction should have been to Call 911!! Is he really this clueless in life? Good God! I would not want him as a friend.

.

After reading Andrew's statements, I feel really bad for him that he was put in that situation. You could tell he was very nervous and was worried about this ruining his career/future. His father should have never sent him to PP. Now, he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.

.

Another thing that upsets me is the fact that Kirk threw away the Rx that Dr. Schulenberg gave to Prince on the 20th, because Prince said they weren't working. Why would you throw them away, in less than 24-hours? That's stupid!

.

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Reply #115 posted 05/11/18 5:16pm

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TrcikyChristopher said:



cloveringold85 said:




bondno9 said:


Kirk is a bald headed untruthful human being!!! The more I re-read his statement mad



.


I don't even know where to begin with Kirk's statements. I just can't believe how a grown man can act this way! We are supposed to believe that he didn't know Prince was addicted to pain pills, when his other associates gave statements that they knew about it? Come on! I got so upset when he went on CBS and when he was asked if Prince was in pain, he replied: "I don't know". disbelief


.


The way they were all behaving on 4/21/16 was shady (Kirk, Meron, Phaedra), and how Andrew described the scene; how horrifying!! It's like Kirk saw Prince's body, laying there and did NOTHING! His first reaction should have been to Call 911!! Is he really this clueless in life? Good God! I would not want him as a friend.


.


After reading Andrew's statements, I feel really bad for him that he was put in that situation. You could tell he was very nervous and was worried about this ruining his career/future. His father should have never sent him to PP. Now, he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.


.


Another thing that upsets me is the fact that Kirk threw away the Rx that Dr. Schulenberg gave to Prince on the 20th, because Prince said they weren't working. Why would you throw them away, in less than 24-hours? That's stupid!


.




[Edited 5/11/18 12:49pm]



Kirk knows a lot more than he's let on - you can take that to the bank. He knows more than a lot of people but will never say anything, maybe out of respect to P, but most likely due to other ulterior motives.



Agree...he and the others that were there that day...
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Reply #116 posted 05/11/18 6:04pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Kirk knows a lot more than he's let on - you can take that to the bank. He knows more than a lot of people but will never say anything, maybe out of respect to P, but most likely due to other ulterior motives.

my take is that Kirk and P shared a LOT for a long time...the longest relationship of his life...full stop.

Yes. It all began with that funny dancing in Purple Rain...


Speaking of relationships P had two going on at the same time when he clocked out.


Prince also kept many secrets. One secret was not telling Dr Schulenberg "Hey Doc, you don't need to prescribe me Vitamin D. I'm already taking it!" smile

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Reply #117 posted 05/11/18 7:05pm

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People think his opiate use was some deep dark secret but really it wasn't, it was mentioned in the Alex han book years ago
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Reply #118 posted 05/11/18 7:25pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

People think his opiate use was some deep dark secret but really it wasn't, it was mentioned in the Alex han book years ago

could you please elaborate a little?

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Reply #119 posted 05/11/18 7:37pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


People think his opiate use was some deep dark secret but really it wasn't, it was mentioned in the Alex han book years ago

could you please elaborate a little?


Alex Hahns book " possessed" came out around 2002 and it mentions the 1996 overdose incident before maytes book came out, he said an associate told him that prince was taking opiates during the diamonds and pearls era and was writing scripts under his girlfriend's name in the past. Also in the book it was stated that prince was showing erratic behavior due to him taking Percocet during 2001. My point is that many knew they just chose to ignore it
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