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Reply #90 posted 05/15/18 5:36pm

dandan

Kares said:

I'm sorry but if you seriously think that "90% of Berklee students end up working at Target" you don't know what you're talking about. No, they don't. A vast majority of them end up working in music, at least a third of them end up building a successful career solely in music – they will be professional touring musicians or teachers or whatever they chose. Being a teacher, for example, is a happier and far more rewarding place than becoming a star for a lot of people! Not everyone is striving for money and fame. (A friend of mine has 2 degrees in music and is a very highly skilled and amazing artist – she's even young and beautiful, yet she never wanted to be on stage, she's far happier teaching children!) And the ones that do end up at Target can either thank themselves for that, for not putting enough work into their chosen careers or a lot of them simply lack the complex skill set (business skills, social skills, determination etc) needed to achieve success.
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Berklee, just like any other school on earth is no guarantee for success and it certainly won't do the work for you if you want to study there. And in some cases it cannot even give you the training you'd need (like another friend of mine who's been asked by Berklee's teacher on his first day whether he'd like to teach there instead of being a student because he was already a world-class musician winning the best soloist prize at Montreux... needless to say he left Berklee after a year because there was no point...), but still, it is one of the highest rated music schools for a reason.
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The two things that a lot of people here don't seem to realise and have been bothering me for years on the org are:
1. Music > popular music. Some of you will need to broaden your horizons as most of the comparisons I read on prince.org are limited to popular artists and sometimes I get the impression that people don't even see past the popular genres.

2. Commercial success in music has very little to do with musical talent and skills, except in rare cases such as Prince's. Still, talented as he was, he never would've achieved worldwide fame simply with his music, he needed management, marketing, controversy, image etc, etc too. Playing in bars or the Superbowl is NOT a measure of musicianship or talent or skills. It is far more complex than that and comparing artists based on this criteria is ridiculous.
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The quote that I bolded was the point I was trying to make. 90% is an exaggeration, but you still get my point.

The second bolded part - well that is true for anyone, surely? Who has achieved worldwide fame simply with their music? In fact who has made a good career with 'just their music'? The other skills which you listed (business skills, social skills, determination etc) are needed no matter what branch of the music industry you hope to make a career in.

I make a living as a musician, so believe me when I say, I am fully aware that a world famous star is far from the only career in music. I am also fully aware that not every musician even wants be a 'star'. Hence why I never said such a thing in my initial post. I just said that the majority of people who go to music school don't end up doing what they wanted. As I said before, 90% may be a bit of push.

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Reply #91 posted 05/15/18 5:40pm

dandan

jjam said:

The main problem is that a lot of teachers either forget/aren't aware that they are there to inspire. Nothing worse than being taught by a teacher who doesn't want to be doing it and makes that clear in their behaviour.


I do not understand people who teach when they're just not right for it. It's painful to witness.

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Reply #92 posted 05/15/18 10:53pm

PeteSilas

dandan said:

PeteSilas said:

they don't make no money,not many of them anyways. Including Mr. Cardenas, I last saw him the very night Prince died, playing purple rain and hating it, in a bar in south seattle, with a tip jar out that I generously placed 20 bucks in. His dislike of Prince was still there as he said "let's play some bowie, he died too" and the drummer glared at him and said "let him have his day". that night was surreal and i must say, they killed Purple Rain, not a dry eye in the house.


Oh man, I was actually being a bit facetious with my 'his career has amounted to him playing covers in clubs for $50 a night' comment!

Apparently I couldn't have been more on the money! That's amazing.

i have to say it was strange, I requested Purple Rain the week before, kinda poking at Cardenas, I had no idea what would be happening with Prince in the next week, this was before the moline incident i believe. So, i unwittingly gave them a rehearsal of the song, as I say, they killed it the next week. A lady came to the stage and informed those that didn't know that Mark was in the movie.

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Reply #93 posted 05/15/18 10:56pm

PeteSilas

jjam said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, and i hate teachers, i've said it directly to some teachers, feeling be damned "I never had a teacher worth a damn". Unfortunately, we are all socialized to believe we need them, we really don't, not all of us anyways. You are your own best teacher, the rest is more about power and place than "teaching" fuck em all.

The main problem is that a lot of teachers either forget/aren't aware that they are there to inspire. Nothing worse than being taught by a teacher who doesn't want to be doing it and makes that clear in their behaviour.

teachers aren't really respected in the us for whatever reason, i can remember since i was a child hearing them bitching about their pay, going on strikes, that kind of leaves an impression too, nowadays we have all these freaky women teachers fucking students (i wouldn't have minded that kind of teaching myself). The theory is, people who teach in public schools are generally bottom of the barrel material. That's what they say anyway.

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Reply #94 posted 05/15/18 10:57pm

PeteSilas

dandan said:

jjam said:

The main problem is that a lot of teachers either forget/aren't aware that they are there to inspire. Nothing worse than being taught by a teacher who doesn't want to be doing it and makes that clear in their behaviour.


I do not understand people who teach when they're just not right for it. It's painful to witness.

not hard to understand at all, strictly for the money, like a lot of people who sleepwalk through their day jobs.

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