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Thread started 04/23/18 2:11pm

TheQuest

Upcoming Prince album (WB Material - 2018)

Prince Album of Previously Unreleased Material Coming in September 2018 (EXCLUSIVE)



variety.com/2018/music/ne...202783507/

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Reply #1 posted 04/23/18 2:14pm

Genesia

I just wet myself a little.

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Reply #2 posted 04/23/18 2:15pm

BlueShakooo

Whoooo-hooooo!!
Reply #3 posted 04/23/18 2:17pm

TheFreakerFantastic

Sounds promising....especially that they said the Vault tapes seem to not be in too bad shape!

Reply #4 posted 04/23/18 2:18pm

TheQuest

TheQuest said:

variety.com/2018/music/ne...202783507/

What a heavy, yet awesome responsibility this guy has. I'm sure my breath would also be taken away going through those musical and lyrical archives. Also, looking forward to the lyrical / poetry book to be released this year as well.

[Edited 4/23/18 14:18pm]

Reply #5 posted 04/23/18 2:19pm

Genesia

This is good to hear...

There was some concern about the condition of some tapes in the vault — have any been irreparably damaged?

Certain things happen with age, but Iron Mountain is probably one of the best in the world at restoration, so they basically have any machine that was ever invented for recording, and they have proprietary ways of being able to restore tape. So we haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #6 posted 04/23/18 2:21pm

Genesia

TheQuest said:

TheQuest said:

variety.com/2018/music/ne...202783507/

What a heavy, yet awesome responsibility this guy has. I'm sure my breath would also be taken away going through those musical and lyrical archives. Also, looking forward to the lyrical / poetry book to be released this year as well.


I would be totally overwhelmed. But it sounds like he understands the gravity of the undertaking and it approaching it with love.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #7 posted 04/23/18 2:23pm

TrivialPursuit

I think/hope it's the 1999 deluxe we've been hearing a LOT about, including those close to the source.

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Reply #8 posted 04/23/18 2:26pm

Silvertongue7

Great interview. Very exciting news, and even more exciting, for the first time it feels like there might (just might) be some sort of ‘plan’. It’s going to be a long wait until September, though!
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #9 posted 04/23/18 2:29pm

PRNelson

Susan Rogers said that songs were often run through effects etc after recording. Consequently, master tapes of certain songs would not contain the sounds that we have come to know and understand as being a particular song.
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Reply #10 posted 04/23/18 2:31pm

SquirrelMeat

Sounds promising. I hope they do their homework and get it right, unlike the rushed Purple Rain set.

1999 Deluxe?

Roadhouse Garden?

Prince's version of family album would be timely with NC2U

Crystal Ball?

I hope its a Prince 'project' as opposd to a simple collection of tracks.

.
Reply #11 posted 04/23/18 2:35pm

TheQuest

TrivialPursuit said:

I think/hope it's the 1999 deluxe we've been hearing a LOT about, including those close to the source.

I don't think it will be. According to the interview the recordings are going to be released and planned via chronology or the era they were recorded. Sounds like this release is all unreleased music and if NC2U is any indication it looks like it will be the '84 time period or thereabouts.

Reply #12 posted 04/23/18 2:37pm

OperatingThetan

It sounds like it's a cohesive project or piece, at the very least a collection of songs Prince intended to be grouped together.

I hope it's an album we've never heard of but I'll be happy with whatever I can get.

It doesn't sound like a remaster project though. And two songs from 'Roadhouse Garden' were released on the PR remaster.
Reply #13 posted 04/23/18 2:39pm

Silvertongue7

SquirrelMeat said:

Sounds promising. I hope they do their homework and get it right, unlike the rushed Purple Rain set.

1999 Deluxe?


Roadhouse Garden?


Prince's  version of family album would be timely with NC2U


Crystal Ball?

I hope its a Prince 'project' as opposd to a simple collection of tracks. 


This quote makes me think that it will be a Prince ‘project’, particularly the bit in bolds:
“Michael Howe, who’s been working with us on the archive, has done a tremendous job of finding some special pieces of work, and one of the pieces that he found, all of us fell in love with it and decided this was special enough for fans to hear. So we’re putting the final touches on it — it’ll come in the fall.”
My first thought was Dream Factory, which would be great because it is a great album, but also a huge letdown because we all have it...
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Reply #14 posted 04/23/18 2:42pm

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Reply #15 posted 04/23/18 2:47pm

dance4me3121

biggrin

Reply #16 posted 04/23/18 2:48pm

SquirrelMeat

Silvertongue7 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Sounds promising. I hope they do their homework and get it right, unlike the rushed Purple Rain set.

1999 Deluxe?

Roadhouse Garden?

Prince's version of family album would be timely with NC2U

Crystal Ball?

I hope its a Prince 'project' as opposd to a simple collection of tracks.

This quote makes me think that it will be a Prince ‘project’, particularly the bit in bolds: “Michael Howe, who’s been working with us on the archive, has done a tremendous job of finding some special pieces of work, and one of the pieces that he found, all of us fell in love with it and decided this was special enough for fans to hear. So we’re putting the final touches on it — it’ll come in the fall.” My first thought was Dream Factory, which would be great because it is a great album, but also a huge letdown because we all have it...


Actually, I'd be happy for getting a mix of previously released and unreleased, if it was in the form of aborted projects that only didn't see the light of day because of band/label politics or got superseded by other projects. i.e.

Dream Factory (Revolution)

Dream Factory (The Flesh)

Camille

Crystal Ball

Rave

Roadhouse Garden

I would rather individual unreleased tracks turn up on remasters in the relevent eras.

.
Reply #17 posted 04/23/18 2:52pm

gandorb

This coupled with the recent release of the NC2U material are the most promising signs in a long time for someone is actually doing things to get some of the vault material released. It is a bonus that he gets Prince enought to have tears in his eyes while finding some wonderful unreleased video. Can you even imagine what that would be like going through all that material?! Bring it on!

Reply #18 posted 04/23/18 3:02pm

Strive

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together.

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Reply #19 posted 04/23/18 3:10pm

rogifan

Genesia said:

This is good to hear...


 


There was some concern about the condition of some tapes in the vault — have any been irreparably damaged?

Certain things happen with age, but Iron Mountain is probably one of the best in the world at restoration, so they basically have any machine that was ever invented for recording, and they have proprietary ways of being able to restore tape. So we haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material.


Thank goodness they have Iron Mountain involved. I have a good feeling with Troy Carter overseeing things. I think he knows what he’s doing.
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Reply #20 posted 04/23/18 3:11pm

ImperfectAngel

woot!
Reply #21 posted 04/23/18 3:16pm

love2thenines2003

Strive said:

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together. 



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[Edited 4/23/18 15:28pm]
Reply #22 posted 04/23/18 3:21pm

luv4u

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eek faint woot! excited

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Reply #23 posted 04/23/18 3:24pm

nelcp777

Exciting news!

Reply #24 posted 04/23/18 3:31pm

purplethunder3121

cool

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Reply #25 posted 04/23/18 3:34pm

MIRvmn

excited
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Reply #26 posted 04/23/18 3:56pm

Crump

Sep 28th.. my birthday excited

Can anyone explain the deal (or no deal) that Universal were involved in? Was it just for more recent unreleased material or 80s era stuff?. It doesn't make sense them buying old stuff when Warners hold the rights to albums needed for the reissues.

Also wish he had been asked or confirmed they are not going to try and finish anything off. Hopefully the estate understands this would not go down well..

Reply #27 posted 04/23/18 4:03pm

grantevans

Crump said:

Sep 28th.. my birthday excited

Can anyone explain the deal (or no deal) that Universal were involved in? Was it just for more recent unreleased material or 80s era stuff?. It doesn't make sense them buying old stuff when Warners hold the rights to albums needed for the reissues.

Also wish he had been asked or confirmed they are not going to try and finish anything off. Hopefully the estate understands this would not go down well..

I think the Universal deal was for music publishing:

In the music industry, a music publisher (or publishing company) is responsible for ensuring the songwriters and composers receive payment when their compositions are used commercially. ... They also secure commissions for music and promote existing compositions to recording artists, film and television.

Reply #28 posted 04/23/18 4:07pm

EmmaMcG

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album.

The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.
Reply #29 posted 04/23/18 4:13pm

grantevans

grantevans said:

Crump said:

Sep 28th.. my birthday excited

Can anyone explain the deal (or no deal) that Universal were involved in? Was it just for more recent unreleased material or 80s era stuff?. It doesn't make sense them buying old stuff when Warners hold the rights to albums needed for the reissues.

Also wish he had been asked or confirmed they are not going to try and finish anything off. Hopefully the estate understands this would not go down well..

I think the Universal deal was for music publishing:

In the music industry, a music publisher (or publishing company) is responsible for ensuring the songwriters and composers receive payment when their compositions are used commercially. ... They also secure commissions for music and promote existing compositions to recording artists, film and television.

Universal also had the 31M deal for music itself (not publishing component) that was nullified as they were not aware it did not include the Warner year unreleased recordings.

Reply #30 posted 04/23/18 4:20pm

TrcikyChristopher

EmmaMcG said:

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album. The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.

Here's a quote from Vault Archivist Michael Howe regarding NC2U: “I spotted the 2″ multitrack reel in the Vault some weeks back while doing a 1984-era inventory. After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192. Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed." Most likely, it'll be from or around the '84- era.

Reply #31 posted 04/23/18 4:33pm

MIRvmn

SquirrelMeat said:

Sounds promising. I hope they do their homework and get it right, unlike the rushed Purple Rain set.

1999 Deluxe?


Roadhouse Garden?


Prince's  version of family album would be timely with NC2U


Crystal Ball?

I hope its a Prince 'project' as opposd to a simple collection of tracks. 


Prince's version of the family album would make sense since NC2U is the new single, but it's also possible NC2U are on some unknown album configuration.
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Reply #32 posted 04/23/18 4:34pm

rogifan

I wonder if it could be the stuff he was working on with Michael Nelson? I wonder how far he got with that stuff, if it’s enough for a release.
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Reply #33 posted 04/23/18 4:35pm

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releasing 'The Family Deluxe' with a 2nd disc of Prince/Prince & the Revolution/Family rehearsals, a 3 disc with 'completed' songs with Prince on lead vocals, would be wonderful.

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Reply #34 posted 04/23/18 4:36pm

PURPLEIZED3121

& despite all the sadness & upset on a truly traumatic week.....this brings us all a smile again...the music is everything. Its the connection between us & him.

Reply #35 posted 04/23/18 4:37pm

grantevans

rogifan said:

I wonder if it could be the stuff he was working on with Michael Nelson? I wonder how far he got with that stuff, if it’s enough for a release.

Would be good to hear Frida Kahlo etc as completed versions....

Reply #36 posted 04/23/18 4:56pm

soladeo1

TrcikyChristopher said:

 



EmmaMcG said:


About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album. The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.

 Here's a quote from Vault Archivist Michael Howe regarding NC2U: “I spotted the 2″ multitrack reel in the Vault some weeks back while doing a 1984-era inventory. After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192. Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed."  Most likely, it'll be from or around the '84- era.



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Reply #37 posted 04/23/18 5:22pm

SignOthetimes1987

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

& despite all the sadness & upset on a truly traumatic week.....this brings us all a smile again...the music is everything. Its the connection between us & him.

Word.

Reply #38 posted 04/23/18 5:52pm

mbdtyler

Y'know, there was a bit of a drought around here and I was starting to worry that it would be ages until we got more Prince material. Both NC2U and this have reeled me back in and I'm more hopeful that we'll get a steadier stream of Prince releases sooner than I expected.

[Edited 4/23/18 17:52pm]

Reply #39 posted 04/23/18 5:57pm

sulls

"Special enough for fans to hear" has me a little worried. It's ALL SPECIAL to us! RELEASE IT!!!

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Reply #40 posted 04/23/18 6:08pm

SuperFurryAnimal

Could very well be the Family album.

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Reply #41 posted 04/23/18 6:23pm

TrivialPursuit

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Could very well be the Family album.


"Unreleased". I would love, but highly doubt, if they'll release his version of that album. I'm still going for 1999 Deluxe or possible the heavily rumored Parade deluxe. I feel like if they strike while the iron is hot, they'll do some Revolution stuff in quick order, then go from there. 1999 isn't Revolution, but it's close.

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
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Reply #42 posted 04/23/18 6:40pm

thegamecock

purplethunder3121 said:

cool

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Reply #43 posted 04/23/18 6:56pm

jdcxc

Genesia said:

 



TheQuest said:


 



TheQuest said:


variety.com/2018/music/news/prince-album-of-previously-unreleased-material-coming-in-september-exclusive-1202783507/



What a heavy, yet awesome responsibility this guy has.  I'm sure my breath would also be taken away going through those musical and lyrical archives.  Also, looking forward to the lyrical / poetry book to be released this year as well.


 




I would be totally overwhelmed. But it sounds like he understands the gravity of the undertaking and it approaching it with love.



Yes...if he gets this right
Reply #44 posted 04/23/18 7:23pm

NewpowerScarfo

It's been 7 months and 17 days since I last posted (how fitting) anyway this is great news.

Reply #45 posted 04/23/18 7:27pm

SuperFurryAnimal

TrivialPursuit said:

 



SuperFurryAnimal said:


Could very well be the Family album. 




"Unreleased". I would love, but highly doubt, if they'll release his version of that album. I'm still going for 1999 Deluxe or possible the heavily rumored Parade deluxe. I feel like if they strike while the iron is hot, they'll do some Revolution stuff in quick order, then go from there. 1999 isn't Revolution, but it's close.



Possible. Prince vox version of the Family album all cleaned up and finished if it is wil be ace too. I'd like to see that but yeah those things will happen.
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Reply #46 posted 04/23/18 7:32pm

214

Exciting news, mpw september seems so far away. sad

Reply #47 posted 04/23/18 7:33pm

TrivialPursuit

SuperFurryAnimal said:

TrivialPursuit said:


"Unreleased". I would love, but highly doubt, if they'll release his version of that album. I'm still going for 1999 Deluxe or possible the heavily rumored Parade deluxe. I feel like if they strike while the iron is hot, they'll do some Revolution stuff in quick order, then go from there. 1999 isn't Revolution, but it's close.

Possible. Prince vox version of the Family album all cleaned up and finished if it is wil be ace too. I'd like to see that but yeah those things will happen.


I can't argue with that. While it would be great to have his versions of some of these songs on one (or a 2-disk) CD, from a commercial standpoint it's not as marketable. They have to appeal beyond the fanbase to the mass market as much as possible.

I wouldn't be mad if they tacked something like that onto a regular disk, as a bonus deluxe edition or something. But exclusively that? Nah.

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
Reply #48 posted 04/23/18 7:46pm

feeluupp

LOL @ people thinking it will be The Family album... I mean come on, the first real unreleased music that will be distributed by WB... It will have to be some sort of commercial gain... I am betting it is unreleased material from the 1999 album era... But a Family album of Prince vocals... Yea that will be real strategical for all the normal folks who know about The Family... Wait how much did the original Family album sell again. lol

Reply #49 posted 04/23/18 8:02pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

What does it feel like to see and find all these things, and be entrusted with them?

You know what? It’s emotional. I’m very cognizant of how important this role is. I took a trip to Paisley Park to go through the archives, lyric books and letters and photos and mementoes, and I had to stop several times in the process just to breathe a little bit, because it’s heavy — you can still feel his energy in the work. And there was one piece of video that we came across — I got home and popped it in, and it was 11:30 at night, and I had tears running down my face watching this video. It was just incredible that I was witnessing what I was witnessing, just beautiful. His spirit and his creative energy are in the work, and I think you can feel it.

Reply #50 posted 04/23/18 8:05pm

Layitdown

Keep in mind y'all, that what is new 2 most..is old 2 us.

Keep in mnd that it's about $ as well.

Whomever these folks r won't rush 2 put out what WE want, which is non commercialized, recent music.

They have in mind that the 1982 - 1984 era is the most profitable, which is why they defaulted to "Nothing Compares 2 U" as a 1st release.

Do not be surprised if whatever is released is Prince's version of somebody else's work, or is from the Purple Rain era (commercial Prince).

They wanna release what sells...especially if "Warn a brutha" is involved.

Give me "The Undertaker" remastered w/ video package...i'll wait.

Reply #51 posted 04/23/18 8:32pm

TKO

New Prince music in September?

Reply #52 posted 04/23/18 8:51pm

heymistermusic

Translation: Stuff WE have heard, but the rest of the world hasn't yet priest



Strive said:

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together.

Reply #53 posted 04/23/18 9:34pm

FragileUndertow

heymistermusic said:

Translation:  Stuff WE have heard, but the rest of the world hasn't yet priest


 


Right lol

Still cool tho
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Reply #54 posted 04/23/18 9:50pm

SchlomoThaHomo

Hopefully there’s a few new things for our spoiled asses as well.
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Reply #55 posted 04/23/18 10:42pm

jtfolden

Michael Howe was doing an inventory of 1984 era tracks so I think we can assume that anything being released will come from that period... It's described like it's an actual project though rather than a collection of songs.... could it be the Roadhouse Garden album? I could totally see that being marketed by WB as " the lost follow-up to Purple Rain!"

[Edited 4/23/18 22:43pm]

Reply #56 posted 04/23/18 11:10pm

Vannormal

Well, 'unreleased material' means probably/possibly 9 out of 10 songs we all already have.

Don't get your hopes (yet) too high.

Positive note is that the quality might be better. Although some ultra sound freaks will never be satisfied. biggrin

-

Let's hope I'm deadwrong ! And it hopefully will be fantastic.

-

But why announce it now ?

April 23rd ?

4 months before anything will happen ?

It seems it was just decided right after the release of the NC2U song and video ?

-

And then those two websites... i ran through them. Still have to search more thoroughly though :

"...but also two new websites, one of them a deep dive into his discography including rare photos, videos and loads of information; the other a site where fans can share their remembrances called “Prince2me.”..."

The Prince2me doesn't interest me at all.

-

Then about the vault, so apparently it was much bigger than i expected :

"...The vault was just one room and that room ran over into multiple rooms, and this was [mostly] before digitization so you have hard drives, and tapes and things like that..."

-

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #57 posted 04/23/18 11:12pm

trickster

So we haven’t run across any real issues in terms of the condition of material.

Yeahh!!! Good News!!
Reply #58 posted 04/23/18 11:16pm

jtfolden

Vannormal said:

-

Then about the vault, so apparently it was much bigger than i expected :

"...The vault was just one room and that room ran over into multiple rooms, and this was [mostly] before digitization so you have hard drives, and tapes and things like that..."

-

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


In the investigation photos, you can see that there was the actual Vault (behind the locked door), and in the room just outside that there were numerous lock boxes that apparently contained hard drives, etc... and the floor was filling up with master tapes and boxes of tapes, and another room labeled Studio Storage that was a full video archive... There's no way they could have organized and handled all this sucessfully in PP without a HUGE $$$$$$$ investment.

Reply #59 posted 04/23/18 11:19pm

BlueShakooo

FragileUndertow said:

heymistermusic said:

Translation: Stuff WE have heard, but the rest of the world hasn't yet priest

Right lol Still cool tho

yeahthat

Reply #60 posted 04/23/18 11:54pm

jstar69

BlueShakooo said:

 



FragileUndertow said:


heymistermusic said:

Translation:  Stuff WE have heard, but the rest of the world hasn't yet priest


 



Right lol Still cool tho

yeahthat



Well fingers crossed we will be very surprised - we hadn't heard electric intercourse studio version, love and sex, we can fuck. So ....
Reply #61 posted 04/24/18 1:12am

linus4000

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

& despite all the sadness & upset on a truly traumatic week.....this brings us all a smile again...the music is everything. Its the connection between us & him.

yes, definitely...plus all the great memories we have

[Edited 4/24/18 1:15am]

Reply #62 posted 04/24/18 1:27am

TheEnglishGent

This is fantastic news. Obvioulsy I hope it's not just unreleased, but also unheard by us, but either way I'm very much looking forward to this.

RIP sad
Reply #63 posted 04/24/18 1:28am

BartVanHemelen

Crump said:

Sep 28th.. my birthday excited

Can anyone explain the deal (or no deal) that Universal were involved in? Was it just for more recent unreleased material or 80s era stuff?. It doesn't make sense them buying old stuff when Warners hold the rights to albums needed for the reissues.

.

Is Googling that much trouble? Do you seriously think this hasn't been discussed here ad nauseam?

.

Why always this "spoonfeed me" attitude? It's not like there is tons of news in the Prince universe, so how about paying attention when there is some news? And if you missed it, there's a "custom google search" at the top right of this website.

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Reply #64 posted 04/24/18 1:29am

BartVanHemelen

EmmaMcG said:

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album.

.

Have you even bothered to click the link and read the article?

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Reply #65 posted 04/24/18 1:33am

BartVanHemelen

Vannormal said:

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


.

No, since these recordings would be stored in a high definition lossless format.

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Reply #66 posted 04/24/18 1:41am

SchlomoThaHomo

EmmaMcG said:

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album. The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.


I had read there was a deal in place with Blue Note to release this.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #67 posted 04/24/18 1:49am

MMJas

Wonderful news.

Reply #68 posted 04/24/18 1:52am

EmmaMcG

BartVanHemelen said:

 



EmmaMcG said:


About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. 

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Have you even bothered to click the link and read the article?



No, I was hoping some arsehole would explain it to me. Well? What are you waiting for? biggrin
Reply #69 posted 04/24/18 1:55am

EmmaMcG

SchlomoThaHomo said:

 



EmmaMcG said:


About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album. The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.


I had read there was a deal in place with Blue Note to release this.



Hopefully this will be the next release. Or at least some unreleased material from the past 20 years. An album of unreleased music from the 80s is hard for me to get excited about because I most likely already have it all in pretty good quality anyway. There seems to be very few leaks from 2000 onwards so that's the music I'm more interested in hearing.
Reply #70 posted 04/24/18 2:00am

andrewm7

A bit of great news in a sad old week.
Reply #71 posted 04/24/18 2:11am

JorisE73

The one thing that would really exite me would be the initial rehearsal/soundcheck/live versions of songs he later worked on, for example like All Day All Night Live and then the completed studio vrsion right after it or the jam recording of In A Large Room With No Light and than after that the completed studio version, things like that.
Or just a 100 CD set with all his outtakes in chronological order, but it seems that will never happen because that Spotify guy seems to think he is some authority and he's seemingly standing in the way of having us hearing stuff we want to hear versus what he thinks we should be allowed to hear. Or I just read that interview wrong.

Reply #72 posted 04/24/18 2:25am

Marrk

I'm hoping from either 1984 stuff or 1986. Not that there's anything wrong with 1985. Yep, that era. Funky & fertile. Deluxe box sets too please. Would be amazing to hear restored stuff done properly.

Also, what happened to the 1983 First Avenue benefit show getting remastered? I want to see stuff too.

A stretch maybe but wouldn't mind seeing the unseen Rainbow Children doc, even get Kevin Smith to come in and do a "aaaand this is where we ran out of tape" skit at the end. smile

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #73 posted 04/24/18 2:35am

JorisE73

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


Each hard drive could more likely only just contain RAW footage of 1 or maybe even just half a concert from recent years because RAW footage can take up to a couple of TB's if shot with multiple camera's.

Reply #74 posted 04/24/18 2:49am

thebiscuit

They should really release a Blu-Ray/DVD of the inaugural night of Piano and Microphone @ PP. They showed about 30min of it at last year's celebration. It is beyond unbelievably good. Like he had the keys to another dimension in his music and performance. For me it truly was 'the mountain top.'

Reply #75 posted 04/24/18 2:50am

love2thenines2003

I think that the 1999 Deluxe project has been abandoned. ...something different is on the way it seems ....and from what I understood from the interview there is hope for the release of a video special performance too....my guess goes for the 1983 august 1st Ave performance!
Reply #76 posted 04/24/18 3:03am

dodger

jtfolden said:

Michael Howe was doing an inventory of 1984 era tracks so I think we can assume that anything being released will come from that period... It's described like it's an actual project though rather than a collection of songs.... could it be the Roadhouse Garden album? I could totally see that being marketed by WB as " the lost follow-up to Purple Rain!"

[Edited 4/23/18 22:43pm]

This would be my bet.

Personally I'd prefer SOTT/Dream Factory era or something more recent like Black Is The New Black but obviously they want to sell to the masses not just the small hard core

Reply #77 posted 04/24/18 3:09am

mediumdry

It's going to be released on Warner Bros, so it's from before the mid 90's. It seems Warners this far cannot see beyond Purple Rain or 1984 (see Nothing Compares To You, that's released now). I am almost thinking that it will be the benefit show from which the songs for Purple Rain were taken. It's a full project like was mentioned, and they were already pimping the video quality. Released as video and a Prince album...

.

I hope I'm wrong and it brings something new (even if we already know it, but then with better quality), but I fear it might be more Purple Rain related material. Not that I mind that, but I feel that that period is a bit overexposed already and I'd love for other stuff to surface.

Reply #78 posted 04/24/18 3:10am

Marrk

dodger said:

jtfolden said:

Michael Howe was doing an inventory of 1984 era tracks so I think we can assume that anything being released will come from that period... It's described like it's an actual project though rather than a collection of songs.... could it be the Roadhouse Garden album? I could totally see that being marketed by WB as " the lost follow-up to Purple Rain!"

[Edited 4/23/18 22:43pm]

This would be my bet.

Personally I'd prefer SOTT/Dream Factory era or something more recent like Black Is The New Black but obviously they want to sell to the masses not just the small hard core

They could and should target both.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #79 posted 04/24/18 3:21am

Thizz

“Lost follow-up to ‘Purple Rain’” - sounds like everything the industry every wanted of Prince. How convenient.
Reply #80 posted 04/24/18 3:23am

OperatingThetan

Marrk said:

 



dodger said:


 



jtfolden said:


Michael Howe was doing an inventory of 1984 era tracks so I think we can assume that anything being released will come from that period... It's described like it's an actual project though rather than a collection of songs.... could it be the Roadhouse Garden album? I could totally see that being marketed by WB as " the lost follow-up to Purple Rain!"


[Edited 4/23/18 22:43pm]



This would be my bet.


Personally I'd prefer SOTT/Dream Factory era or something more recent like Black Is The New Black but obviously they want to sell to the masses not just the small hard core



 


They could and should target both.



Agreed.

Hopefully at some point there will be some kind of service for hardcore fans. We are the only audience for that material after all.
Reply #81 posted 04/24/18 3:35am

SuperFurryAnimal

TrivialPursuit said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

TrivialPursuit said: Possible. Prince vox version of the Family album all cleaned up and finished if it is wil be ace too. I'd like to see that but yeah those things will happen.


I can't argue with that. While it would be great to have his versions of some of these songs on one (or a 2-disk) CD, from a commercial standpoint it's not as marketable. They have to appeal beyond the fanbase to the mass market as much as possible.

I wouldn't be mad if they tacked something like that onto a regular disk, as a bonus deluxe edition or something. But exclusively that? Nah.

Lot of casual fans don't know the Family but some do. I think it would be new to the general public and I believe most of those songs are strong. It would be a good Prince album. I want a collection of albums. These remasters with random unreleased songs it is cool but cohesive Prince album from any period would be ace. I think the songs on the Family album is what they could market. Could be as a bonus disc too. Just not excited about a remaster I don't believe I made it through the PR one maybe once.

You better Watch Out! I'm a WAR MACHINE!
Reply #82 posted 04/24/18 3:38am

milesb

I'm hoping for something we've never heard before, but I'm guessing it'll be the 1984 Birthday Show.

My password is what
Reply #83 posted 04/24/18 3:57am

dodger

Marrk said:

dodger said:

This would be my bet.

Personally I'd prefer SOTT/Dream Factory era or something more recent like Black Is The New Black but obviously they want to sell to the masses not just the small hard core

They could and should target both.

Of course but after 4Ever and PR Deluxe I'm not really filled with confidence

[Edited 4/24/18 5:29am]

Reply #84 posted 04/24/18 4:25am

lastdecember

People keep bringing up the PR Reissue and the 4EVER Cd compilation and call them rush jobs etc.... First of all those 2 releases were to keep "Prince" out there mainstream wise. Todays public has the attention span of a few days and then they are on to the next story or #outrage. So you take a package like 4EVER which to us seems like a rush and repackage of the HITS without the BSIDES, that was the typical Holiday season release that you will see from any artist of his status to move units and something they can also promote, the new unreleased track tossed to the loyals. As for PURPLE RAIN its the same deal, his biggest release by far something that not just loyals would get but a new generation that maybe werent born yet, and it doesnt take much to promote PR. So Warner uses what they have access to at the time, that may change in the future. Who knows down the line say for 35th anniversary of PR next year we might get all the songs from the movie, including the Time and Apollonia 6 and unreleased stuff and videos etc...Now that 2 years have passed it seems that some things are clearing, some of the red tape is coming off and things are filtering through. The timing of NC2U and the closure of the "investigation" was not a fluke that they happened in the same days.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #85 posted 04/24/18 4:45am

paulludvig

I hope it's either pre- or post-Revolution. The Rev members are too full of themself as it is.

1 - 2 - 3 (waiting for Oldfriends to chime in) wink

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #86 posted 04/24/18 5:06am

fabriziovenerandi

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


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No, since these recordings would be stored in a high definition lossless format.

A terabyte hard disk could even storage 100+ song in multichannel lossless high definition format.

[Edited 4/24/18 5:07am]

Reply #87 posted 04/24/18 5:36am

QueenofPurplePalace

OMG This is around my 21st birthday too. LAAAAAAAWDT lemme just-

I Just Came To Dance and Shade for Yall
Reply #88 posted 04/24/18 5:48am

OnlyNDaUsa

Great news: But it sounds like maybe they need to hire some consultants?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #89 posted 04/24/18 6:03am

IstenSzek

fabriziovenerandi said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, since these recordings would be stored in a high definition lossless format.

A terabyte hard disk could even storage 100+ song in multichannel lossless high definition format.

[Edited 4/24/18 5:07am]



in the investigation pics there are harddrives dotted all over the place, there was even a few
in a suitcase in the laundry room iirc. the ones that you could zoom in on had tags on them,
labelling them as live show recordings, like "this and this show, part 1".

that's not to say there won't be a lot of harddrives that contain just studio songs, who knows
what's lurking in that mountain of stuff.

plus there were cdrs strewn all over the place, like a 6 song NPGQ cdr that was just sitting in
a pile of rubble on the floor etc etc.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #90 posted 04/24/18 6:20am

Philly76

EmmaMcG said:

BartVanHemelen said:

 



EmmaMcG said:


About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. 

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Have you even bothered to click the link and read the article?



No, I was hoping some arsehole would explain it to me. Well? What are you waiting for? biggrin

No Emma, unfortunately Bart is 100% right on this.
A lot of people just comment without just reading the article.
It answers almost every question posted here.
[Edited 4/24/18 6:21am]
Reply #91 posted 04/24/18 6:29am

OnlyNDaUsa

Based on the earlier article I think it is a studio album. He mentioned mixing it... meaning what? That they have the original multi-track masters... He also said getting parts together.

If we consider "Nothing Compares 2 U" which seems to be the same mix as the leaked version. NC2U was leaked before the tapes were taken to Iron Mountain so it seems it was 2 separate sources. So they do not seem to have been working with the multi-track and the slight differences could be a matter of EQ as opposed to mixing. (and I say this not having any real idea how it works but that seems to be the most reasonable explanation)

On the other hand, he says "one of the pieces" and that it was "more time specific" so could be something Live? But I am thinking it is something he had put together as a studio album.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #92 posted 04/24/18 6:54am

EmmaMcG

Philly76 said:

EmmaMcG said:



No, I was hoping some arsehole would explain it to me. Well? What are you waiting for? biggrin

No Emma, unfortunately Bart is 100% right on this.
A lot of people just comment without just reading the article.
It answers almost every question posted here.
[Edited 4/24/18 6:21am]


The article says that the album is "time specific" but doesn't state which time. Admittedly, I only glanced over it because the questions regarding the website is of no interest to me. I'm only interested in the new album. But aside from the "time specific" part, they don't give much away about it. Not even which time they are specifically talking about. My post was about me hoping it is unreleased material from more recent times because I already have a lot of the 80s stuff in good quality so if this new album is primarily 80s stuff I already have, then I'm not interested in it. However, if it's something like Black is the New Black or Hit'n'run Phase 3, then I can get excited by it.
Reply #93 posted 04/24/18 7:16am

TheEnglishGent

EmmaMcG said:

Philly76 said:
No Emma, unfortunately Bart is 100% right on this. A lot of people just comment without just reading the article. It answers almost every question posted here. [Edited 4/24/18 6:21am]
The article says that the album is "time specific" but doesn't state which time. Admittedly, I only glanced over it because the questions regarding the website is of no interest to me. I'm only interested in the new album. But aside from the "time specific" part, they don't give much away about it. Not even which time they are specifically talking about. My post was about me hoping it is unreleased material from more recent times because I already have a lot of the 80s stuff in good quality so if this new album is primarily 80s stuff I already have, then I'm not interested in it. However, if it's something like Black is the New Black or Hit'n'run Phase 3, then I can get excited by it.


I'm sure when I read that article earlier that it mentioned the 80's as the time period for the album. Now it doesn't seem to mention that and like you say just that it's, "time specific".

Can anyone else confirm, or have I finally cracked and am going mental?

RIP sad
Reply #94 posted 04/24/18 7:18am

MIRvmn

I wish they could put the 5 unreleased tracks from the Purple Rain era that he played for Morris Hayes on the album, that would be exciting smile
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
Reply #95 posted 04/24/18 7:19am

OnlyNDaUsa

It is not going to be anything from the last 20 years. I doubt it is from the last 30...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #96 posted 04/24/18 7:27am

TheFman

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is not going to be anything from the last 20 years. I doubt it is from the last 30...


Excellent.

I personally hope for the Roadhouse Garden, integrally how P saw it back than. No added stuff, unless on a bonus cd.

Reply #97 posted 04/24/18 7:44am

leecaldon

SchlomoThaHomo said:

EmmaMcG said:

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album. The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.


I had read there was a deal in place with Blue Note to release this.

Is this recently or before April 2016?

Reply #98 posted 04/24/18 7:52am

jdcxc

Roadhouse Garden?
Reply #99 posted 04/24/18 7:53am

EmmaMcG

TheEnglishGent said:

 



EmmaMcG said:


Philly76 said:
No Emma, unfortunately Bart is 100% right on this. A lot of people just comment without just reading the article. It answers almost every question posted here. [Edited 4/24/18 6:21am]

The article says that the album is "time specific" but doesn't state which time. Admittedly, I only glanced over it because the questions regarding the website is of no interest to me. I'm only interested in the new album. But aside from the "time specific" part, they don't give much away about it. Not even which time they are specifically talking about. My post was about me hoping it is unreleased material from more recent times because I already have a lot of the 80s stuff in good quality so if this new album is primarily 80s stuff I already have, then I'm not interested in it. However, if it's something like Black is the New Black or Hit'n'run Phase 3, then I can get excited by it.


I'm sure when I read that article earlier that it mentioned the 80's as the time period for the album. Now it doesn't seem to mention that and like you say just that it's, "time specific".

Can anyone else confirm, or have I finally cracked and am going mental? 



I didn't read the entire article at first but I don't remember it stating that it was 80s stuff. I think the wording of it hints at it being 80s stuff because Nothing Compares 2 U is mentioned in the same sentence so people might assume that the song is part of it. But all that's said is something like "after the excitement around Nothing Compares 2 U, we decided to give the fans something else this year". Some may take that "something else" to be songs from the same time period. But it seems more open to me. "Something else" could imply anything. From any time period. Which is why I said I'm hoping for something more recent.
Reply #100 posted 04/24/18 7:56am

OnlyNDaUsa

jdcxc said:

Roadhouse Garden?

I do not think that ever got that far into production. And we have at least 2 songs off of it... so it is doubtful that would be vaulted (HAHA) as an album of unreleased songs.


Actually, he did not say it was unreleased just that it was "a full-length album." And even the title says "Material", not Songs... so it could be live... Dang it he really was careful as to what he said!

[Edited 4/24/18 8:00am]

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #101 posted 04/24/18 7:56am

Strive

TheFman said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


It is not going to be anything from the last 20 years. I doubt it is from the last 30...




Excellent.

I personally hope for the Roadhouse Garden, integrally how P saw it back than. No added stuff, unless on a bonus cd.



Doubt it's going to be Roadhouse Garden since they just did a release with Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden and Wonderful Ass.

Alot of people are focusing on the 84 mention in the article but I'm really hoping this collection has 85-86 rarities. Alot of good songs and potential surprises are available from that era.
[Edited 4/24/18 7:58am]
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #102 posted 04/24/18 7:59am

TheEnglishGent

EmmaMcG said:

TheEnglishGent said:


I'm sure when I read that article earlier that it mentioned the 80's as the time period for the album. Now it doesn't seem to mention that and like you say just that it's, "time specific".

Can anyone else confirm, or have I finally cracked and am going mental?

I didn't read the entire article at first but I don't remember it stating that it was 80s stuff. I think the wording of it hints at it being 80s stuff because Nothing Compares 2 U is mentioned in the same sentence so people might assume that the song is part of it. But all that's said is something like "after the excitement around Nothing Compares 2 U, we decided to give the fans something else this year". Some may take that "something else" to be songs from the same time period. But it seems more open to me. "Something else" could imply anything. From any time period. Which is why I said I'm hoping for something more recent.

That's what the article says now, i'm sure it previously said something but as I said, I may just be going mad.

RIP sad
Reply #103 posted 04/24/18 8:13am

EmmaMcG

TheEnglishGent said:

 



EmmaMcG said:


TheEnglishGent said:

 



I'm sure when I read that article earlier that it mentioned the 80's as the time period for the album. Now it doesn't seem to mention that and like you say just that it's, "time specific".

Can anyone else confirm, or have I finally cracked and am going mental? 



I didn't read the entire article at first but I don't remember it stating that it was 80s stuff. I think the wording of it hints at it being 80s stuff because Nothing Compares 2 U is mentioned in the same sentence so people might assume that the song is part of it. But all that's said is something like "after the excitement around Nothing Compares 2 U, we decided to give the fans something else this year". Some may take that "something else" to be songs from the same time period. But it seems more open to me. "Something else" could imply anything. From any time period. Which is why I said I'm hoping for something more recent.

That's what the article says now, i'm sure it previously said something but as I said, I may just be going mad.



I honestly don't remember one way or the other but if I had to guess, I'd say you're just crazy wink
Reply #104 posted 04/24/18 8:19am

djThunderfunk

sulls said:

"Special enough for fans to hear" has me a little worried. It's ALL SPECIAL to us! RELEASE IT!!!


Yeah... THAT! wink

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #105 posted 04/24/18 8:26am

peedub

leecaldon said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:


I had read there was a deal in place with Blue Note to release this.

Is this recently or before April 2016?


we were told by our guide while touring paisley park 'prince had a deal in place with blue note...'.

Reply #106 posted 04/24/18 8:43am

Marco81

As far as I remember there is a note he wrote where IIRC he mentions Blue Note and 3 albums released in a very short time, it's one of the photos from the investigation at Paisley Park...

Reply #107 posted 04/24/18 9:22am

SquirrelMeat

The senior staff at PP said 'Black is the new black' was not completed.
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Reply #108 posted 04/24/18 9:26am

OperatingThetan

SquirrelMeat said:

The senior staff at PP said 'Black is the new black' was not completed.


That's surprising given statements by some of the band members, who seem to think it was a wrap. I wonder how close to completion it was in Prince's mind?
Reply #109 posted 04/24/18 10:01am

SuperFurryAnimal

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is not going to be anything from the last 20 years. I doubt it is from the last 30...

It is a WB release. Says it all.

You better Watch Out! I'm a WAR MACHINE!
Reply #110 posted 04/24/18 10:02am

SchlomoThaHomo

peedub said:

 



leecaldon said:


 



SchlomoThaHomo said:


 



I had read there was a deal in place with Blue Note to release this.



 


Is this recently or before April 2016?




we were told by our guide while touring paisley park 'prince had a deal in place with blue note...'.



Yes this is where I saw it. Maybe in your original post you had said there was a deal in place to release it, and I took it as current info since your tour was recent. Though if the guide said Prince had the deal in place while he was alive, it would likely mean there’s no more deal now that he’s gone.

I would like to see the release of it, HNR3, and the P & M Live album, as he (or a former band member, in the case of BITNB) mentioned working on them specifically.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #111 posted 04/24/18 10:14am

callimnate

SuperFurryAnimal said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


It is not going to be anything from the last 20 years. I doubt it is from the last 30...



 


It is a WB release.  Says it all.



BINGO!!!

Those with ANY P knowledge would've picked up on that.
confused
[Edited 4/24/18 10:16am]
Reply #112 posted 04/24/18 10:27am

peedub

SchlomoThaHomo said:

peedub said:


we were told by our guide while touring paisley park 'prince had a deal in place with blue note...'.

Yes this is where I saw it. Maybe in your original post you had said there was a deal in place to release it, and I took it as current info since your tour was recent. Though if the guide said Prince had the deal in place while he was alive, it would likely mean there’s no more deal now that he’s gone. I would like to see the release of it, HNR3, and the P & M Live album, as he (or a former band member, in the case of BITNB) mentioned working on them specifically.


that's what i understood her to mean, the ins and outs of whether or not it will be honored posthumously is probably something for the estate/attorneys to figure out. i seem to recall her saying something about there being a jazz album (possibly NPGQ?) as part of the deal, too...maybe i should've paid a little closer attention, but i was a little overwhelmed, standing in the middle of studio A...

Reply #113 posted 04/24/18 10:28am

peedub

callimnate said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

It is a WB release. Says it all.

BINGO!!! Those with ANY P knowledge would've picked up on that. confused [Edited 4/24/18 10:16am]


'art official age' was a warner brothers release...

Reply #114 posted 04/24/18 10:45am

TheFreakerFantastic

While this is exciting, I can't help thinking that this is all very convenient to WB. Their difficult star dead, the tapes and recordings swiftly moved away from Paisley Park to a 'secure' place while the family were too busy squabbling. It means they can now access them at will without family interference and bingo, with no will, they can capitalise on the vault for as long as they want and can release whatever they choose.

Remember when Prince was frustrating the release of PR Deluxe by not allowing vault material on it, boom a few years later he's gone and songs that he would never release now due to their graphic content are suddenly out there.....

[Edited 4/24/18 10:55am]

Reply #115 posted 04/24/18 10:46am

TheDigitalGardener

Good news. I think this could be Prince's version of The Family album. There is no reason why this shouldn't be as commercially appealing as an album of other unheard tracks.

.

Note how the armchair criminologist's are more interested in blame than they are in the news of new music.

Reply #116 posted 04/24/18 10:53am

luvsexy4all

so what happened to 199 remaster (or Parade remaster for that matter)??

Reply #117 posted 04/24/18 10:56am

luvsexy4all

TheFreakerFantastic said:

While this is exciting, I can't help thinking that this is all very convenient to WB. Their difficult star dead, the tapes and recordings swiftly moved away from Paisley Park to a 'secure' place while the family were too busy squabbling. It means they can now access them at will without family interference and bingo, with no will, they can capitalise on the vault for as long as they want and can release whatever they choose.

Remember when Prince was frustrating the release of PR Deluxe by not allowing vault material on it, boom a few years later he's gone and songs that he would never release now due to their graphic content are suddenly out there.....

[Edited 4/24/18 10:55am]

but dont they ONLY have access to certain vault things prince gave them??? not the entire vault content

Reply #118 posted 04/24/18 10:57am

TheFreakerFantastic

^ Better for them than the alternative though - him around to block it.

[Edited 4/24/18 10:58am]

Reply #119 posted 04/24/18 11:09am

jdcxc

TheFreakerFantastic said:

While this is exciting, I can't help thinking that this is all very convenient to WB. Their difficult star dead, the tapes and recordings swiftly moved away from Paisley Park to a 'secure' place while the family were too busy squabbling. It means they can now access them at will without family interference and bingo, with no will, they can capitalise on the vault for as long as they want and can release whatever they choose.


 


Remember when Prince was frustrating the release of PR Deluxe by not allowing vault material on it, boom a few years later he's gone and songs that he would never release now due to their graphic content are suddenly out there.....


 

[Edited 4/24/18 10:55am]



I agree with your points but the Family are idiots. I wonder what project they just recently cancelled?
Reply #120 posted 04/24/18 11:25am

Vannormal

EmmaMcG said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Have you even bothered to click the link and read the article?

No, I was hoping some arsehole would explain it to me. Well? What are you waiting for? biggrin

I'm seriously laughing my square white trash european smelly ass off here !!!

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #121 posted 04/24/18 11:33am

Vannormal

IstenSzek said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

A terabyte hard disk could even storage 100+ song in multichannel lossless high definition format.

[Edited 4/24/18 5:07am]



in the investigation pics there are harddrives dotted all over the place, there was even a few
in a suitcase in the laundry room iirc. the ones that you could zoom in on had tags on them,
labelling them as live show recordings, like "this and this show, part 1".

that's not to say there won't be a lot of harddrives that contain just studio songs, who knows
what's lurking in that mountain of stuff.

plus there were cdrs strewn all over the place, like a 6 song NPGQ cdr that was just sitting in
a pile of rubble on the floor etc etc.

...could also contain Prince's enormous private PORN collection...

Everyone has porn !

Why wouldn't Prince ?

wink

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #122 posted 04/24/18 11:47am

OnlyNDaUsa

callimnate said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

It is a WB release. Says it all.

BINGO!!! Those with ANY P knowledge would've picked up on that. confused

yeah, I said before that WB may very well own most of the WB years vault.... See if Prince billed WB for the time then they may owe it or at least right to first refusal.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #123 posted 04/24/18 12:12pm

luvsexy4all

Vannormal said:

IstenSzek said:



in the investigation pics there are harddrives dotted all over the place, there was even a few
in a suitcase in the laundry room iirc. the ones that you could zoom in on had tags on them,
labelling them as live show recordings, like "this and this show, part 1".

that's not to say there won't be a lot of harddrives that contain just studio songs, who knows
what's lurking in that mountain of stuff.

plus there were cdrs strewn all over the place, like a 6 song NPGQ cdr that was just sitting in
a pile of rubble on the floor etc etc.

...could also contain Prince's enormous private PORN collection...

Everyone has porn !

Why wouldn't Prince ?

wink

cause he MADE his own ...

Reply #124 posted 04/24/18 12:57pm

JellyJam

I don't come on here much these days, but after the appalling and tasteless revelations this is much better news.

I'm hoping unreleased means *unreleased and not heard* and not versions of what we've already heard, albeit in better quality.

The comments in the interview are interesting: what is this "piece", as that implies a cohesive whole? At best it means an undiscovered work in its fullness, at worst it means a better version of something most of us have heard before, and personally I hope it's more than a better-sounding version of The Faimly's album. It's probably somewhere in between but I hope it veers towards the former.

In any event, judging by the photos of The Vault there's a lot there. Not just different versions of things most of us have obtained in varying degrees of quality, but entirely undiscovered stuff. I want to hear all of it, but I don't want a binge-drop of 100 albums now. I'd like a tasteful, carefully curated series of releases over time. It would go some way to capturing the excitement of what we all felt when we knew a new release was dropping.

It ain't over.

Reply #125 posted 04/24/18 1:06pm

Astasheiks

Vannormal said:

Well, 'unreleased material' means probably/possibly 9 out of 10 songs we all already have.

Don't get your hopes (yet) too high.

Positive note is that the quality might be better. Although some ultra sound freaks will never be satisfied. biggrin

-

Let's hope I'm deadwrong ! And it hopefully will be fantastic.

-

But why announce it now ?

April 23rd ?

4 months before anything will happen ?

It seems it was just decided right after the release of the NC2U song and video ?

-

And then those two websites... i ran through them. Still have to search more thoroughly though :

"...but also two new websites, one of them a deep dive into his discography including rare photos, videos and loads of information; the other a site where fans can share their remembrances called “Prince2me.”..."

The Prince2me doesn't interest me at all.

-

Then about the vault, so apparently it was much bigger than i expected :

"...The vault was just one room and that room ran over into multiple rooms, and this was [mostly] before digitization so you have hard drives, and tapes and things like that..."

-

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


prince2me.com is one website. What is the other? confused

Reply #126 posted 04/24/18 1:27pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Astasheiks said:

Vannormal said:

Well, 'unreleased material' means probably/possibly 9 out of 10 songs we all already have.

Don't get your hopes (yet) too high.

Positive note is that the quality might be better. Although some ultra sound freaks will never be satisfied. biggrin

-

Let's hope I'm deadwrong ! And it hopefully will be fantastic.

-

But why announce it now ?

April 23rd ?

4 months before anything will happen ?

It seems it was just decided right after the release of the NC2U song and video ?

-

And then those two websites... i ran through them. Still have to search more thoroughly though :

"...but also two new websites, one of them a deep dive into his discography including rare photos, videos and loads of information; the other a site where fans can share their remembrances called “Prince2me.”..."

The Prince2me doesn't interest me at all.

-

Then about the vault, so apparently it was much bigger than i expected :

"...The vault was just one room and that room ran over into multiple rooms, and this was [mostly] before digitization so you have hard drives, and tapes and things like that..."

-

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin


prince2me.com is one website. What is the other? confused



https://www.princeestate.com

[Edited 4/24/18 13:27pm]

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #127 posted 04/24/18 1:42pm

mikeyaddict

EmmaMcG said:

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album.

The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.


R u me! Exactly, almost to the word what I would've written and want to see. Let us just believe one last time we're buying his most recent release close to its time of Inception. There's also the second thirdeyegirl and NPG Jazz quartet album too.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #128 posted 04/24/18 2:04pm

thedoorkeeper

How is this not a sticky??? eek
Reply #129 posted 04/24/18 2:10pm

ChocolateBox3121

"He wrote down his thoughts and plans and how he ran his business, so he pretty much left a blueprint of how things should go. So listening to the music, the demos, seeing some of his notes and tape notes, you really get an idea of how his mind worked, and I’m honored to get a glimpse of his process."

Prince wanted an album a year to be released after his transitioning.

[Edited 4/24/18 15:43pm]

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #130 posted 04/24/18 2:15pm

SquirrelMeat

thedoorkeeper said:

How is this not a sticky??? eek


I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down and folded into 'The Estate' lol

.
Reply #131 posted 04/24/18 2:19pm

Silvertongue7

SquirrelMeat said:

 



thedoorkeeper said:


How is this not a sticky??? eek


I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down and folded into 'The Estate'  lol


Or moved to fan gatherings, just in case two fans meet in the shop when buying it...
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #132 posted 04/24/18 2:19pm

djThunderfunk

SquirrelMeat said:

thedoorkeeper said:

How is this not a sticky??? eek


I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down and folded into 'The Estate' lol


I hope not. This deserves it's own thread and a sticky. No reason to bog it down with all that other nonsense. lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #133 posted 04/24/18 3:03pm

jdcxc

djThunderfunk said:

 



SquirrelMeat said:


 



thedoorkeeper said:


How is this not a sticky??? eek


I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down and folded into 'The Estate'  lol




I hope not. This deserves it's own thread and a sticky. No reason to bog it down with all that other nonsense. lol



Exactly. Keep it a sticky until Release Date
Reply #134 posted 04/24/18 3:19pm

OnlyNDaUsa

jdcxc said:

djThunderfunk said:


I hope not. This deserves it's own thread and a sticky. No reason to bog it down with all that other nonsense. lol

Exactly. Keep it a sticky until Release Date

and then 15 different topics on the songs...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #135 posted 04/24/18 3:25pm

seanski

music headbang excited clapping

Reply #136 posted 04/24/18 4:13pm

EmmaMcG

mikeyaddict said:

EmmaMcG said:

About time. I hope its the Black Is The New Black album. As far as I know, that's probably one of the last projects he worked on so it's as close as we'll ever get to a "new" Prince album.

The vault stuff from the 80s can come at a later date. I more than likely have most of that already anyway. The priority should be putting music out that's never leaked before.


R u me! Exactly, almost to the word what I would've written and want to see. Let us just believe one last time we're buying his most recent release close to its time of Inception. There's also the second thirdeyegirl and NPG Jazz quartet album too.


You know what they say. Great minds think alike.

And we just proved that regular minds think alike too! biggrin
Reply #137 posted 04/24/18 4:27pm

Astasheiks

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Astasheiks said:

prince2me.com is one website. What is the other? confused



https://www.princeestate.com

[Edited 4/24/18 13:27pm]

Thanks OnlyNDaUsa, see Reupublicans and Democrats can get along in this instance, haha lol! biggrin

[Edited 4/24/18 16:27pm]

Reply #138 posted 04/24/18 4:43pm

XxAxX

great news, and if i recall his "journals" are coming up for release as well

Reply #139 posted 04/24/18 5:54pm

Moonbeam

sulls said:

"Special enough for fans to hear" has me a little worried. It's ALL SPECIAL to us! RELEASE IT!!!



I didn't like that either. confused
Feel free to join in the Prince Song Poll 2016! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince songs, as decided by you!
Reply #140 posted 04/24/18 8:22pm

EddieC

Silvertongue7 said:

SquirrelMeat said:


I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down and folded into 'The Estate' lol

Or moved to fan gatherings, just in case two fans meet in the shop when buying it...

I think there has to be a plan to meet up for it to be moved there, or at least an invitation. So--I'm gonna be at a local Target on the release date. Drop by and say "hey!"

Ah... they'll have to move the thread now! razz

Reply #141 posted 04/24/18 10:43pm

Vannormal

Astasheiks said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



https://www.princeestate.com

[Edited 4/24/18 13:27pm]

Thanks OnlyNDaUsa, see Reupublicans and Democrats can get along in this instance, haha lol! biggrin

[Edited 4/24/18 16:27pm]

Republicans and Democrats need to get along.

Otherwise they're not 'wise' (and believe me, a lot of them on each side aren't).

The word 'compromise' is still not invented in the Divided States of America.

wink

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #142 posted 04/24/18 11:23pm

rudeboynpg

Layitdown said:

Give me "The Undertaker" remastered w/ video package...i'll wait.

Yes, I love The Undertaker. Would love to have it on CD and DVD. I only have a bootleged dubing of it on VHS video tape.

Also "the follow-up album to 1999", that Prince talked about in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview, I've been wanting to hear for decades. I hope it's that material they found and are releasing in September.

IMG_0002fgtyuyf.jpg

[Edited 4/24/18 23:42pm]

Neal Karlen: "His biggest and perhaps only fear was dying alone." prince "Don't u be another number 4 the undertaker" prince "Gotta tell the Truth ya'll" prince
Reply #143 posted 04/25/18 12:13am

JorisE73

Thinking about it now it would be awesome if it was the original album between Purple Rain and ATWIAD, with the full reverb heavy The Dance Electric.

Reply #144 posted 04/25/18 12:53am

JorisE73

Thinking even further, a complet full 40th aniverssary release of For You complete with outtakes, alternate takes and the 2 WB preview shows would be great.

Reply #145 posted 04/25/18 12:59am

mediumdry

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

Reply #146 posted 04/25/18 1:36am

love2thenines2003

mediumdry said:

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

Maybe >>>> with a compagnon DVD of the performance 4 sure !

My Big Guess goes 4 :

The August 1st Av 83 which has been remastered & restored last Year by WBR

The June 7 1st Av 84 : a complete & full pro shot performance has been filmed too it seems

Reply #147 posted 04/25/18 1:45am

JorisE73

mediumdry said:

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

I meant more that they coud compile a record with the recordings between Purple Rain and ATWIAD.

The Dance Electric, All Day All Night other songs recorded in 1984 - 1985.

Reply #148 posted 04/25/18 3:12am

SquirrelMeat

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices.

The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material.

I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases.

As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.
.
Reply #149 posted 04/25/18 3:24am

jstar69

So let's see who can get the track list right first. Surely someone knows someone who knows someone who knows someone that knows!
Reply #150 posted 04/25/18 3:50am

Romeoblu

Whatever it is I hope it gets a well presented vinyl release.
Reply #151 posted 04/25/18 3:51am

Vannormal

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.

-

Or, simply make them aware of the fact that something like PRINCEVAULT excist,

some interesting book titles, like the ones by A. Hahn, Per Nilsen, etc.

Why not.

smile

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #152 posted 04/25/18 4:10am

love2thenines2003

jstar69 said:

So let's see who can get the track list right first. Surely someone knows someone who knows someone who knows someone that knows!


I have big doubts this time to see this info leaked before the official announcement
Reply #153 posted 04/25/18 4:44am

luvgirl

WOW!! I'm so excited about this! I cannot wait for the release! nutty That was a great article/interview and wonderful questions asked.

Reply #154 posted 04/25/18 4:49am

TKO

Some of you are too pessimistic. I would buy a fart noise for real lol , i need new Prince album in my life lol , even if it's a HQ bootleg we already had. I got excited for Nothing Compares last week. I don't know, just the video with footage and the announcement and i was excited.

Reply #155 posted 04/25/18 5:12am

IstenSzek

please let it be a studio album though. i mean, i will buy all live releases, no questions asked,
but what we need now after these 2 years is a studio album from prince.



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #156 posted 04/25/18 5:55am

fortuneandserendipity

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Astasheiks said:

prince2me.com is one website. What is the other? confused



https://www.princeestate.com

[Edited 4/24/18 13:27pm]


New Power Soul is under Prince 'studio albums'. databank will be upset. neutral

Reply #157 posted 04/25/18 6:03am

dustoff

Weird that this isn't a sticky.

Reply #158 posted 04/25/18 6:11am

fortuneandserendipity

TheFreakerFantastic said:

While this is exciting, I can't help thinking that this is all very convenient to WB. Their difficult star dead, the tapes and recordings swiftly moved away from Paisley Park to a 'secure' place while the family were too busy squabbling. It means they can now access them at will without family interference and bingo, with no will, they can capitalise on the vault for as long as they want and can release whatever they choose.

Remember when Prince was frustrating the release of PR Deluxe by not allowing vault material on it, boom a few years later he's gone and songs that he would never release now due to their graphic content are suddenly out there.....

[Edited 4/24/18 10:55am]


The Gravy Train family can go do one as far as I'm concerned. And that includes Tyka. Any family interference, and there would be a clusterfuck of lies told. We couldn't even trust the song titles. Warner Bros. are best placed to handle any new releases from the 80s, and maybe beyond. Truth be told, the reason Universal backed out of a deal was because they couldn't get hands on the 'golden age' period, WB years. Probably.


I also wonder if P's purging of vault material for cussing (~ yr 2000) doesn't cover the WB years. Only thinking this, because he missed the blindingly obvious 'We can Fuck' from the purple rain vault disc.


(I think i know someone who will find this funny)

[Edited 4/25/18 6:15am]

Reply #159 posted 04/25/18 6:36am

JorisE73

fortuneandserendipity said:

I also wonder if P's purging of vault material for cussing (~ yr 2000) doesn't cover the WB years. Only thinking this, because he missed the blindingly obvious 'We can Fuck' from the purple rain vault disc.


(I think i know someone who will find this funny)



I heard 'We Can Fuck' came from a WB tape. Like 'The Dance Electric' and 'Electric Intercourse'.

Reply #160 posted 04/25/18 7:15am

fortuneandserendipity

JorisE73 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I also wonder if P's purging of vault material for cussing (~ yr 2000) doesn't cover the WB years. Only thinking this, because he missed the blindingly obvious 'We can Fuck' from the purple rain vault disc.


(I think i know someone who will find this funny)



I heard 'We Can Fuck' came from a WB tape. Like 'The Dance Electric' and 'Electric Intercourse'.


Ok but Prince only started recording at Paisley Park in '87. How many songs recorded beforehand are actually in WB's hands? Who has rights over the Sunset Sound studio sessions.


Isn't it the case that master ownership only relates to released product?

Reply #161 posted 04/25/18 7:24am

FullLipsDotNose

I'd like to hear stuff from 2000 onwards: http://www.princevault.co..._song_list

I don't mind older unreleased music, but let's not pretend Prince's music is just anything until only 1993.

full lips, freckles, and upturned nose
Reply #162 posted 04/25/18 7:36am

OperatingThetan

FullLipsDotNose said:

I'd like to hear stuff from 2000 onwards: http://www.princevault.co..._song_list

I don't mind older unreleased music, but let's not pretend Prince's music is just anything until only 1993.

Same here.

There were Prince solo albums not released in 1998 also, including 'Madrid 2 Chicago'. 'Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic' is reported to include tracks from three distinct albums recorded around the same time period and the original version of 'Rave' that Prince submitted to Arista was described as a psychedelic rock album and was reported as being somewhat experimental.

Reply #163 posted 04/25/18 7:42am

bonatoc

Vannormal said:

Well, 'unreleased material' means probably/possibly 9 out of 10 songs we all already have.

Don't get your hopes (yet) too high.

-

And there are hard drives, which means, that on 1 hard drive there could be hundreds thousands of recordings, video information... biggrin



Remember, the top-notch hard drives for a good portion of the nineties were under a gigabyte.
I wouldn't expect "hundreds of thousand" files.

Even with a terabyte (1,000 gigabytes), you ain't gonna record 24 tracks at 24bits/88kHZ or whatever the high resolution Prince used for digital recording for long.

Large hard drives get stuffed fast with hi-res files, and if you want to keep them longer, you don't record over it, or even next to it. The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

[Edited 4/25/18 7:47am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #164 posted 04/25/18 7:43am

bonatoc

Vannormal said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.

-

Or, simply make them aware of the fact that something like PRINCEVAULT excist,

some interesting book titles, like the ones by A. Hahn, Per Nilsen, etc.

Why not.

smile



The video of NC2U is ultimate proof they're not that dumb.
Everyone knows about Per Nilsen, especially the curator.
Come on.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #165 posted 04/25/18 7:59am

udo

September?

Who called that 'soon'?

It is the same lame slow-ass WB release schedule from the 80's/90's.

It will not be a full disc or full discs. (70+ minutes per disc)

It will have unreleased music, but will the music be unheard by most of us?

Will the sources, editing etc be similar to the PR goodies?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #166 posted 04/25/18 8:02am

udo

bonatoc said:

The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

.

Wrong.

It's a balance between acessing data on the disc on not doing so that determines the lifetime of a drive.

Also there's a bathtub curve to be taken into account as well astechnical lifecycles.

(Though the drive in my MythTV setup is recording TV 24/7 for years and did not fail yet....)

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #167 posted 04/25/18 8:03am

BartVanHemelen

peedub said:

callimnate said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: BINGO!!! Those with ANY P knowledge would've picked up on that. confused [Edited 4/24/18 10:16am]


'art official age' was a warner brothers release...

.

And it basically was a "we have to release this as part of the 2014 deal, we don't care about it" release.

.

Warners isn't gonna bother with anything from the past 20 or so years, because nobody cares about that. They're gonna release more 1980s stuff, locking all that material to them and preventing other companies form making bank. Look at the Universal deal that fell through: it's crystal clear that Warners wants to have that sweet sweet 1980s honey, and everything post-1995 can be handled by whatever sucker is willing to pay stupid money for it.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #168 posted 04/25/18 8:51am

bonatoc

udo said:

bonatoc said:

The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

.

Wrong.

It's a balance between acessing data on the disc on not doing so that determines the lifetime of a drive.

Also there's a bathtub curve to be taken into account as well astechnical lifecycles.

(Though the drive in my MythTV setup is recording TV 24/7 for years and did not fail yet....)


Stop the press, we have a specialist.
Holy schmoly. Behold the Mighty Terabyte Man™©®.
No kidding, respect, and you are right.
It does not mean I'm wrong,
however...


[Edited 4/25/18 8:55am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #169 posted 04/25/18 9:49am

AnnaSantana

heymistermusic said:

Translation: Stuff WE have heard, but the rest of the world hasn't yet priest



Strive said:

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together.

There you go.

FUCK DONALD TRUMP
Reply #170 posted 04/25/18 3:06pm

eyewishuheaven

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #171 posted 04/25/18 4:02pm

SquirrelMeat

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.



Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.


.
Reply #172 posted 04/25/18 5:08pm

luvsexy4all

SquirrelMeat said:

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.



Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.


is this because the family want money from his music and r stopping things ..and estate is slow to release things with WB?

Reply #173 posted 04/25/18 7:24pm

IstenSzek

SquirrelMeat said:

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.



Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.



i guess they are sort of gearing up toward that perhaps with the princeestate site?

but i agree, it would be better if it was already up to the point of having all his official albums
that he ever released up on that site for purchase.

now there's a nice little page with info and soundbytes, which is great, but people should be
able to then buy the albums too.

the merch should just be a little after thought to a site otherwise devoted to music and music
only.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #174 posted 04/25/18 10:43pm

rudeboynpg

mediumdry said:

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

It's not in a book so it couldn't exist? Seriously? It's silly to assume that nothing in the vault exists that fans haven't either already heard or read about before in one of the books.

Neal Karlen: "His biggest and perhaps only fear was dying alone." prince "Don't u be another number 4 the undertaker" prince "Gotta tell the Truth ya'll" prince
Reply #175 posted 04/25/18 11:16pm

databank

rudeboynpg said:

Layitdown said:

Give me "The Undertaker" remastered w/ video package...i'll wait.

Yes, I love The Undertaker. Would love to have it on CD and DVD. I only have a bootleged dubing of it on VHS video tape.

Also "the follow-up album to 1999", that Prince talked about in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview, I've been wanting to hear for decades. I hope it's that material they found and are releasing in September.

IMG_0002fgtyuyf.jpg

[Edited 4/24/18 23:42pm]

The key sentence in that quote is "I could put it all together", i.e. "I haven't", i.e. unless Prince compiled any such era-albums later in his career (and who knows if he didn't, but we don't know), there was never any such thing as "a follow-up album to 1999". All there is is enough material. So it's up to the estate to pick-up any 1982 outtakes and compile it up on the spot.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #176 posted 04/25/18 11:25pm

databank

rudeboynpg said:

mediumdry said:

Sure, Purple Rain 2 or "the album between Purple Rain and Around the World in a Day" would be great, but what album would that be?

.

Read Duane Tudahls book again and point out to me what album that would be. It doesn't exist and I think it's just as much fiction as 1999 part 2. That was just Prince being Prince talking about extra songs he had that he felt were too much like 1999 or Purple Rain to use on subsequent albums. I don't think any of that ever made it to the point of being considered whole enough to be mentioned as "a single piece".

As far as marketing goes, Prince's version of the Family album would be the most "album after Purple Rain" as any, but I don't think that's what they'll do.

I'm still wondering, but right now, I'm thinking it will be a live concert.

It's not in a book so it couldn't exist? Seriously? It's silly to assume that nothing in the vault exists that fans haven't either already heard or read about before in one of the books.

Mediumdry is right.

I don't have the exact quote at hand but I believe Prince said something in the line of "I could have released PR2 but I chose to release something completely different (ATWIAD) instead". I could have released PR2 doesn't mean, never meant, never was supposed to mean that any such album was ever compiled.

And Duane's book is not "a" book, it's THE book. Duane himself acknowledged it when info was uncertain or when recordings/mixing/edits may have taken place that couldn't be documented, so it's not unthinkable Prince may have scribbled many an album tracklist on his notebook that Duane isn't aware of, but it's quite unlikely he had a whole album compiled by his engineers at some point in 1984 without any such engineer remembering any of it. Not impossible, but very, very unlikely.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #177 posted 04/25/18 11:27pm

databank

SquirrelMeat said:

The senior staff at PP said 'Black is the new black' was not completed.

sad sad sad sad

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #178 posted 04/25/18 11:40pm

fabriziovenerandi

BartVanHemelen said:

Warners isn't gonna bother with anything from the past 20 or so years, because nobody cares about that. They're gonna release more 1980s stuff, locking all that material to them and preventing other companies form making bank. Look at the Universal deal that fell through: it's crystal clear that Warners wants to have that sweet sweet 1980s honey, and everything post-1995 can be handled by whatever sucker is willing to pay stupid money for it.

If Zappa could sell "Dance me this", Estate could sell "The Rainbow Children II".

We are not talking about million albums sold from a dead popstar, we are talking about a solid fanbase (100.000-500.000) that is gonna buy everything stored in the Vault.

There is a business for this.

Reply #179 posted 04/26/18 12:57am

jtfolden

databank said:

 



rudeboynpg said:


 



Layitdown said:


 


Give me "The Undertaker" remastered w/ video package...i'll wait.



 


Yes, I love The Undertaker. Would love to have it on CD and DVD. I only have a bootleged dubing of it on VHS video tape.  


Also "the follow-up album to 1999", that Prince talked about in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview, I've been wanting to hear for decades. I hope it's that material they found and are releasing in September.  


IMG_0002fgtyuyf.jpg


 


[Edited 4/24/18 23:42pm]



 


The key sentence in that quote is "I could put it all together", i.e. "I haven't", i.e. unless Prince compiled any such era-albums later in his career (and who knows if he didn't, but we don't know), there was never any such thing as "a follow-up album to 1999". All there is is enough material. So it's up to the estate to pick-up any 1982 outtakes and compile it up on the spot.



Or seems to me the key sentence is "I have the follow-up album to 1999". Just because he might have to collect the individual tracks to play doesn't mean he didn't already have a complete track list in mind.
Reply #180 posted 04/26/18 1:34am

embmmusic

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

Has there been any leaked info about what it will contain yet? I've not been able to find anything.

Reply #181 posted 04/26/18 1:36am

Rebeljuice

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

I don't think every release has to be about us hardcore fans though. If you go down that route and try and pick out songs that have not even been bootlegged before, it stands to reason that they would be releasing some real obscure stuff. I imagine a lot of it would be pretty inaccessible to a wider audience. They do have to think about the commerciality of releases too. Perhaps mixing up releases, some for the hardcore, some for the masses. Maybe two releases a year, one for each demographic.

This first release from the estate is a tough one for them. They have to appease both hardcore fans and try and capture a wider commercial market in order to make money. So the music has to be both commercially accessible and obscure enough to please us lot. It would make sense releasing a reissued/remastered album along with outtakes. But who knows what lies in that vault? NC2U would have been better off held back and then released as a lead single to an "album" of that period. NC2U is probably his biggest song that he didn't release and has huge cross over appeal. But maybe there is a real gem that none of us have any idea about that would capture EVERYONE'S attention.

The estate needs to tread carefully, especially with this first release.

Reply #182 posted 04/26/18 1:46am

Rebeljuice

I think we also have to accept that any song released from here on out will be an interpretation of whoever mixes it. Unless Prince wrote down the settings of the mixing desk for all the multi tracks, no one can ever know exactly which knobs were turned up or down to get the mix Prince finally settled on.

NC2U is a great example. The engineer said that even with all the knobs turned up it sounded great. But we know that the final version on the Family album was pretty minimal so maybe all knobs turned up was never how Prince wanted it in the end. I personally feel that this recent release of NC2U could have done with a few knobs turned down, but I think I'm in a minority here.

I can see a lot of arguing about new releases in the years ahead here on the org.

[Edited 4/26/18 1:48am]

Reply #183 posted 04/26/18 2:41am

NME01

Respectfully disagree that the Estate / Troy need to tread carefully with us.

Us fans are here to stay. We've been here all this time and won't go away - that's the nature of being a fan. They need to drive excitement for the (hate to say it...) 'brand' Prince, and that will come by commecially viable manistream-leaning output.

Needs media getting excited, daytime DJs choosing to give the record a spot spin, marketing outside of the fanbase etc.

The estate need to make money - real money. That comes from having Spotify / Apple / Amazon bidding for ancilary content what will accompnay a WB release, or 1999 Tour film, etc. They will only bid if they know the major release is going to dirve mainstream awareness.

It's a very simple job in this day and age to throw together a gatefold / downloadable collection of demos of Feel U Up, o Electric Intercourse... etc. We'll always be here to lap that up. But we have a limit to the revenue we (fans) can generate.

Reply #184 posted 04/26/18 3:02am

jstar69

So do we think NC2U will feature on this release? Let's hope they release a few singles prior to the album release date in February.

Saw Tyka interviewed this morning on local Australian news program - no mention about future releases? Pretty bland interview 😳😮😮
Reply #185 posted 04/26/18 3:14am

embmmusic

Rebeljuice said:

I think we also have to accept that any song released from here on out will be an interpretation of whoever mixes it. Unless Prince wrote down the settings of the mixing desk for all the multi tracks, no one can ever know exactly which knobs were turned up or down to get the mix Prince finally settled on.

NC2U is a great example. The engineer said that even with all the knobs turned up it sounded great. But we know that the final version on the Family album was pretty minimal so maybe all knobs turned up was never how Prince wanted it in the end. I personally feel that this recent release of NC2U could have done with a few knobs turned down, but I think I'm in a minority here.

I can see a lot of arguing about new releases in the years ahead here on the org.

[Edited 4/26/18 1:48am]

Here's hoping that alongside the multi-tracks there are also final mixdowns for the engineers to reference.

Reply #186 posted 04/26/18 3:34am

dustoff

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)


Reply #187 posted 04/26/18 3:37am

Rebeljuice

dustoff said:

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)


I would be cool with it. Just as long as the songs were ones I liked. smile

I have to admit that there are many outtakes that I simply do not like.

Reply #188 posted 04/26/18 3:49am

dustoff

Rebeljuice said:

dustoff said:

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)


I would be cool with it. Just as long as the songs were ones I liked. smile

I have to admit that there are many outtakes that I simply do not like.


Sure. I'm not really clamoring for an official release of "Work That Fat". (Though as we all know, every Prince fan has different tastes..)

Guess what I have in mind would be an official Blast From the Past, a multi-disc collection of "rarities" put out by the estate. Even if we had all or most of it, we still want it to be out there in the market, no?

Though I'm sure they could make more money leaking this stuff out slowly, attaching it to one special edition after another. (Not that I wouldn't buy those either.)

Reply #189 posted 04/26/18 4:28am

MIRvmn

jtfolden said:

databank said:

 



rudeboynpg said:


 



Layitdown said:


 


Give me "The Undertaker" remastered w/ video package...i'll wait.



 


Yes, I love The Undertaker. Would love to have it on CD and DVD. I only have a bootleged dubing of it on VHS video tape.  


Also "the follow-up album to 1999", that Prince talked about in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview, I've been wanting to hear for decades. I hope it's that material they found and are releasing in September.  


IMG_0002fgtyuyf.jpg


 


[Edited 4/24/18 23:42pm]



 


The key sentence in that quote is "I could put it all together", i.e. "I haven't", i.e. unless Prince compiled any such era-albums later in his career (and who knows if he didn't, but we don't know), there was never any such thing as "a follow-up album to 1999". All there is is enough material. So it's up to the estate to pick-up any 1982 outtakes and compile it up on the spot.



Or seems to me the key sentence is "I have the follow-up album to 1999". Just because he might have to collect the individual tracks to play doesn't mean he didn't already have a complete track list in mind.

Yes he had the follow-up to 1999 in his mind and probably wrote down a tracklist somewhere and made notes.
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
Reply #190 posted 04/26/18 4:38am

jaawwnn

I'm with Databank on this one, until and unless a tracklist actually compiled by Prince comes to light it makes a lot more sense to assume that he didn't have an album as strong as 1999 and Purple Rain but with no tracks from Purple Rain recorded, mastered mixed and readied in 1983. We could all compile one ourselves from the outtakes sure, but they're still outtakes.

[Edited 4/26/18 4:41am]

Reply #191 posted 04/26/18 5:46am

TheEnglishGent

Vannormal said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.


Join forces and do what? We can't even all agree on a single disc for Emancipation. Letting us loose on picking which vault tracks should be released would just end up in an all out war. lol

RIP sad
Reply #192 posted 04/26/18 5:49am

dustoff

TheEnglishGent said:

Vannormal said:

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.


Join forces and do what? We can't even all agree on a single disc for Emancipation. Letting us loose on picking which vault tracks should be released would just end up in an all out war. lol


lol lol lol

Reply #193 posted 04/26/18 5:51am

TheEnglishGent

Rebeljuice said:

I think we also have to accept that any song released from here on out will be an interpretation of whoever mixes it.

Yes, absolutely. This is something which people will have to accept. Sadly, we've had the very last of things being released which have Prince's 100% approval. We are on a different journey now and have to be aware of that. I look at the Deliverance EP as a good example. I was more than happy with that. There were certainly elements there that didn't sound like things Prince would have done but I still enjoy the whole thing.

So long as we get the feel that it was produced by Prince and X, then I'm ok. If things end up feeling like they are just produced by X, with little more than vocals by P, then I'm not so happy.

RIP sad
Reply #194 posted 04/26/18 5:56am

AhPook

SquirrelMeat said:

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.



Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.


That's because Bowie had his shit in order when he died.

Reply #195 posted 04/26/18 6:01am

AhPook

Rebeljuice said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

I don't think every release has to be about us hardcore fans though. If you go down that route and try and pick out songs that have not even been bootlegged before, it stands to reason that they would be releasing some real obscure stuff. I imagine a lot of it would be pretty inaccessible to a wider audience. They do have to think about the commerciality of releases too. Perhaps mixing up releases, some for the hardcore, some for the masses. Maybe two releases a year, one for each demographic.

This first release from the estate is a tough one for them. They have to appease both hardcore fans and try and capture a wider commercial market in order to make money. So the music has to be both commercially accessible and obscure enough to please us lot. It would make sense releasing a reissued/remastered album along with outtakes. But who knows what lies in that vault? NC2U would have been better off held back and then released as a lead single to an "album" of that period. NC2U is probably his biggest song that he didn't release and has huge cross over appeal. But maybe there is a real gem that none of us have any idea about that would capture EVERYONE'S attention.

The estate needs to tread carefully, especially with this first release.

The smartest idea would be to steadily release albums with mass commercial appeal and then occasionally drop a boxset full of obscure gems for the hardcores.

Reply #196 posted 04/26/18 6:16am

djThunderfunk

udo said:

bonatoc said:

The less files there are on a hard drive, the longer it lasts.

.

Wrong.

It's a balance between acessing data on the disc on not doing so that determines the lifetime of a drive.

Also there's a bathtub curve to be taken into account as well astechnical lifecycles.

(Though the drive in my MythTV setup is recording TV 24/7 for years and did not fail yet....)


Is it better to access the data often, or better to not?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #197 posted 04/26/18 6:29am

djThunderfunk

dustoff said:

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)



Getting upset that official releases contain tracks we've already heard on bootlegs is asinine. We knew that we were essentially consuming "spoilers" but chose to keep on doing so. Many will get mad if a new 12 track CD contains 8 tracks we already have, but, who's fault is that? It's like a kid who peaks at his Christmas presents and then gets disappointed on Christmas morning because there are no surprises.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #198 posted 04/26/18 6:30am

rogifan

If something is being released by WB does that mean it’s from 80s-early 90s or would the estate use WB to release any new material?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #199 posted 04/26/18 6:31am

djThunderfunk

TheEnglishGent said:

Vannormal said:

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.


Join forces and do what? We can't even all agree on a single disc for Emancipation. Letting us loose on picking which vault tracks should be released would just end up in an all out war. lol


Yeah, THAT!! We are absolutely NOT all in agreement. lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #200 posted 04/26/18 6:38am

rogifan

NME01 said:

Respectfully disagree that the Estate / Troy need to tread carefully with us. 


 


Us fans are here to stay. We've been here all this time and won't go away - that's the nature of being a fan. They need to drive excitement for the (hate to say it...) 'brand' Prince, and that will come by commecially viable manistream-leaning output.


 


Needs media getting excited, daytime DJs choosing to give the record a spot spin, marketing outside of the fanbase etc. 


 


The estate need to make money - real money. That comes from having Spotify / Apple / Amazon bidding for ancilary content what will accompnay a WB release, or 1999 Tour film, etc. They will only bid if they know the major release is going to dirve mainstream awareness. 


 


It's a very simple job in this day and age to throw together a gatefold / downloadable collection of demos of Feel U Up, o Electric Intercourse... etc. We'll always be here to lap that up. But we have a limit to the revenue we (fans) can generate. 


 


 


Agree 100%. And hopefully the estate will work with someone good for promotion. WB is terrible at it.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #201 posted 04/26/18 7:25am

Milty2

Will everyone just calm down.

Hometown Hero: vimeo.com/136326665
Reply #202 posted 04/26/18 7:37am

databank

jtfolden said:

databank said:

The key sentence in that quote is "I could put it all together", i.e. "I haven't", i.e. unless Prince compiled any such era-albums later in his career (and who knows if he didn't, but we don't know), there was never any such thing as "a follow-up album to 1999". All there is is enough material. So it's up to the estate to pick-up any 1982 outtakes and compile it up on the spot.

Or seems to me the key sentence is "I have the follow-up album to 1999". Just because he might have to collect the individual tracks to play doesn't mean he didn't already have a complete track list in mind.

Probably then this psychic woman who claims she could speak with Prince in the afterlife can ask him on behalf of the estate, and there you have it nod

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #203 posted 04/26/18 7:59am

databank

embmmusic said:

Rebeljuice said:

I think we also have to accept that any song released from here on out will be an interpretation of whoever mixes it. Unless Prince wrote down the settings of the mixing desk for all the multi tracks, no one can ever know exactly which knobs were turned up or down to get the mix Prince finally settled on.

NC2U is a great example. The engineer said that even with all the knobs turned up it sounded great. But we know that the final version on the Family album was pretty minimal so maybe all knobs turned up was never how Prince wanted it in the end. I personally feel that this recent release of NC2U could have done with a few knobs turned down, but I think I'm in a minority here.

I can see a lot of arguing about new releases in the years ahead here on the org.

[Edited 4/26/18 1:48am]

Here's hoping that alongside the multi-tracks there are also final mixdowns for the engineers to reference.

I wonder how that actually worked. We know from Duane's book that Prince would usually have a mix done and put to tape before shelving a song (for further work or forever). From that perpective, and I'd never considered it before, those mixes may actually be a more legitimate testimony of P's visions than the multi-tracks, and releasing those on P Deluxe (something we've all croticized WB for doing) may have been more legitimate than songs from the multitracks. On the other hand one would assume that, in the perspective of further reworks, Prince may have wanted the exact setting written down by the engineer for future reference, so the song wouldn't have to be remixed from scratch each time the muti-track would be tinkered with. Maybe then, the posthumous mix wouldn't just be up to whomever mixes them?

Now that would be a hall of a question to ask P's former engineers!!! But maybe some other professional musicians or engineers here can tell us what the common practice is in studios, after a rough (or final) mix is made.

If we accept the idea that the orchestra was added on P's vocal versions (not, later, on Paul's), which seems to be plausible according to Princevault/Duane, one fact that remains is that, in the original Pau-on-vocals version (the one Paul streamed in 2002), the orchestra is much louder and, anyway, the whole mix is entirely different. Were both mixes made in Prince's time, or does the 2002 version rflect his vision much more than the 2018 one?

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Reply #204 posted 04/26/18 8:11am

Dandroppedadime

I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.
Reply #205 posted 04/26/18 8:37am

eyewishuheaven

embmmusic said:

eyewishuheaven said:

The next Bowie box should be out in September too. Love it.

Has there been any leaked info about what it will contain yet? I've not been able to find anything.


Nothing solid really; I've noticed they tend to be officially announced in late June. But I'm hearing that, if they intend to continue to include everything he officially released, then the Re:Call portion of this box could be pretty bonkers due to the 'remix explosion' of the 80s/90s.

We shall see!

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #206 posted 04/26/18 8:40am

Astasheiks

What ever it is I will Buy it! biggrin cool smile razz lol headbang excited music

[Edited 4/26/18 8:41am]

Reply #207 posted 04/26/18 8:45am

udo

databank said:


The key sentence in that quote is "I could put it all together", i.e. "I haven't", i.e. unless Prince compiled any such era-albums later in his career (and who knows if he didn't, but we don't know), there was never any such thing as "a follow-up album to 1999". All there is is enough material. So it's up to the estate to pick-up any 1982 outtakes and compile it up on the spot.

.

Yes sand no.

As I read this:

The songs, the tapes, are there.

The songs were just not sequenced, not mastered.

.

Or...

.

Would it be that the demoes are there?

In such case there would be more work to bge done to get a sequenced, mastered album...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #208 posted 04/26/18 8:48am

udo

djThunderfunk said:

udo said:

.

Wrong.

It's a balance between acessing data on the disc on not doing so that determines the lifetime of a drive.

Also there's a bathtub curve to be taken into account as well astechnical lifecycles.

(Though the drive in my MythTV setup is recording TV 24/7 for years and did not fail yet....)


Is it better to access the data often, or better to not?

.

Reading data from a harddisk should not harm the data. (the head floats over the platter)

It should just add a little wear to the mechanics that move the heads, the platters.

In case of the flash drive:

It's electronics. Writing to the flash adds wear. Reading should not really add wear.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #209 posted 04/26/18 9:02am

djThunderfunk

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:


Is it better to access the data often, or better to not?

.

Reading data from a harddisk should not harm the data. (the head floats over the platter)

It should just add a little wear to the mechanics that move the heads, the platters.

In case of the flash drive:

It's electronics. Writing to the flash adds wear. Reading should not really add wear.


Thanks for that info. I need more hard drives to back up my back ups.... Redundancy seems wise. wink

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #210 posted 04/26/18 9:12am

ChocolateBox3121

AhPook said:

SquirrelMeat said:



Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.


That's because Bowie had his shit in order when he died.

Although Prince was living VERY WELL financially. His private business affairs was in disarray.

[Edited 4/26/18 12:58pm]

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #211 posted 04/26/18 11:51am

rusty1

jstar69 said:

So do we think NC2U will feature on this release? Let's hope they release a few singles prior to the album release date in February.

Saw Tyka interviewed this morning on local Australian news program - no mention about future releases? Pretty bland interview 😳😮😮


It’s coming out in Sept
BOB4theFUNK
Reply #212 posted 04/26/18 12:37pm

jdcxc

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



AhPook said:


 



SquirrelMeat said:


 




Just look at the difference between the Bowie estate and the Prince estate.

Bowie's site has three pages of CD's to buy. Prince has none. I'm not talking about vault stuff, and the legalites that go with it, I'm talking about the core message, the music. The back calalogue.


With the Prince estate, we get magnets, leggings and keyrings, but not the body of work. We get a 7" single bundled in with a tacky jacket and bank loan priced tamborines.




 


That's because Bowie had his shit in order when he died.



Although Prince was living VERY WELL. His private business affairs was in disarray.



Obviously not too well.
Reply #213 posted 04/26/18 2:02pm

jstar69

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

yeahthat
Reply #214 posted 04/27/18 12:37am

Rebeljuice

djThunderfunk said:

udo said:

.

Reading data from a harddisk should not harm the data. (the head floats over the platter)

It should just add a little wear to the mechanics that move the heads, the platters.

In case of the flash drive:

It's electronics. Writing to the flash adds wear. Reading should not really add wear.


Thanks for that info. I need more hard drives to back up my back ups.... Redundancy seems wise. wink

Migrate to SSD as a storage solution. Whilst not infallable, certainly better than mechanical drives.

Or even better, back up your stuff in the cloud. If you got Windows 10 then Onedrive is built right into your Windows Explorer so there is no need to actually do anything other than save your stuff in the Onedrive folders. You can even mark them as "online only" so they do not take up space on your hard drive, yet you can still see the files as if they were there.

Alternatively you have the likes of Google Drive, Amazon, Dropbox and whatever Apple provides to name a few.

I probably have around 400 gigs of Prince music/video and have it stored in the cloud, on a mechanical hard drive and an external SSD. Hopefully I have my bases covered.

Reply #215 posted 04/27/18 1:31am

bonatoc

Rebeljuice said:

djThunderfunk said:


Thanks for that info. I need more hard drives to back up my back ups.... Redundancy seems wise. wink

Migrate to SSD as a storage solution. Whilst not infallable, certainly better than mechanical drives.

Or even better, back up your stuff in the cloud. If you got Windows 10 then Onedrive is built right into your Windows Explorer so there is no need to actually do anything other than save your stuff in the Onedrive folders. You can even mark them as "online only" so they do not take up space on your hard drive, yet you can still see the files as if they were there.

Alternatively you have the likes of Google Drive, Amazon, Dropbox and whatever Apple provides to name a few.

I probably have around 400 gigs of Prince music/video and have it stored in the cloud, on a mechanical hard drive and an external SSD. Hopefully I have my bases covered.



I would say "redundantly".

Put your stuff in at least two competitor's cloud services,
three being better (this message is sponsored by bonatoc's indecipherable crypted syntax©®™).

Hey, they have 2 x 3 = 6 in planes.
And to think everybody still wants to fly.

[Edited 4/27/18 1:32am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #216 posted 04/27/18 4:06am

OnlyNDaUsa

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)



Getting upset that official releases contain tracks we've already heard on bootlegs is asinine. We knew that we were essentially consuming "spoilers" but chose to keep on doing so. Many will get mad if a new 12 track CD contains 8 tracks we already have, but, who's fault is that? It's like a kid who peaks at his Christmas presents and then gets disappointed on Christmas morning because there are no surprises.

Yup! that is the deal we made! I do HOPE it is mostly new...but I will get it. Just like a prefer Studio to Live.


But they really need to have some people to consult on these things

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #217 posted 04/27/18 6:59am

djThunderfunk

Rebeljuice said:

djThunderfunk said:


Thanks for that info. I need more hard drives to back up my back ups.... Redundancy seems wise. wink

Migrate to SSD as a storage solution. Whilst not infallable, certainly better than mechanical drives.

Or even better, back up your stuff in the cloud. If you got Windows 10 then Onedrive is built right into your Windows Explorer so there is no need to actually do anything other than save your stuff in the Onedrive folders. You can even mark them as "online only" so they do not take up space on your hard drive, yet you can still see the files as if they were there.

Alternatively you have the likes of Google Drive, Amazon, Dropbox and whatever Apple provides to name a few.

I probably have around 400 gigs of Prince music/video and have it stored in the cloud, on a mechanical hard drive and an external SSD. Hopefully I have my bases covered.


I guess I know less than I thought I did. I don't understand the difference between "SSD" & "Mechanical" drives.

I use WD external hard drives, I have 6 of them that range from 1-5 TB. I'm hoping to buy an 8TB soon but don't have the $ yet. I don't use any cloud services. How much does it cost to store 17-18 TB in the cloud? I bet it would take FOREVER to upload...

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #218 posted 04/27/18 7:07am

OnlyNDaUsa

one thing to remember about the lifespan of some of these drives is they wear out or go bad when used over and over reading and writing... but if you just write once and leave it alone it could last for a long time.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #219 posted 04/27/18 7:48am

jaypotton

Want going to post because since Prince died I find less and less reasons to engage on here. Sad isn't it! The fact that there will never ever be any "new" music or new projects from Prince really does hurt. Sigh!

It is great news that it is starting to look like the Estate and Warners and whoever are getting their act together and starting to plan some releases. I truly hope they do the best job imaginable to keep his legacy alive and honoured in the right way.

One thing is for sure... Folks on Prince.org will bitch and moan that whatever is released isn't what they wanted! At least that remains a constant in this changing world!

Personally while I would love something new that I haven't already heard, the chances are slim. As said above I am the kid who sneaked a peak at the Xmas presents with my stupidly large and varying quality bootleg collection.

However, I will very VERY happy to have "official" releases in good (hopefully excellent) quality. Despite as said above that whatever is released won't actually be what Prince would possibly have signed off on and therefore not quite be his actual vision!

I actually hope the release in September is very commercially minded and if so then expect this will probably feature music from that mid 80s era. The reason I hope that is that it could generate sales and therefore $$$ and convince everyone involved that it is worth putting in the effort so we continue to get release every year. If it flops then the incentive may not be there for anyone and then WE are the losers.

Happy for a commercial focus for a few years before they start mining that vault for real rarities and obscure tracks etc for the hardcore.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #220 posted 04/27/18 8:10am

udo

Some thoughts:

'Unreleased' of course means: `unreleased by the record company`. (we will have heard most of it already)

'Material' implies it is not an `album` from the vault but perhaps a collection of whatever they thought would fit together. (or rather: how hard can it be to define in words what you will release 6 months down the road?) (`Unreleased Prince Album coming in September` is much clearer as a message)

'Prince' implies either a marketing ploy (`Prince` sells better than `Revolution` or `New power Generation`) or a hint of the age of the tracks or the type of tracks or a show of misunderstanding whatever they are handling (Prince solo, Prince & The Revolution, etc).

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #221 posted 04/27/18 8:32am

IstenSzek

well, only 154 days left until we're listening to it lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #222 posted 04/27/18 8:50am

OnlyNDaUsa

hopefully, in 2 or 3 months, you know who will find out what songs are on it...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #223 posted 04/27/18 9:24am

bonatoc

IstenSzek said:

well, only 154 days left until we're listening to it lol

Don't mention it...

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #224 posted 04/27/18 9:48am

Vannormal

bonatoc said:

IstenSzek said:

well, only 154 days left until we're listening to it lol

Don't mention it...

Time.

Always.

Goes.

Faster.

Than.

You.

Can.

Comprehend.

-

Don't underestimate time !

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #225 posted 04/27/18 10:07am

OnlyNDaUsa

IstenSzek said:

well, only 154 days left until we're listening to it lol

or until some are whining it was not what they wanted or that it was delayed or they already had it or it was not the other version or too short... me... I assume I will be listing to it and burning MP3s to a cd and will likely never open the cd...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #226 posted 04/27/18 1:16pm

luvsexy4all

no ones mentioned the 1999 remaster than evaporated

Reply #227 posted 04/27/18 1:55pm

bonatoc

luvsexy4all said:

no ones mentioned the 1999 remaster than evaporated


You think they may be a full album of 1999 remastered remasters?
Talk about killing the bike shop.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #228 posted 04/27/18 2:01pm

love2thenines2003

luvsexy4all said:

no ones mentioned the 1999 remaster than  evaporated




The Deluxe project was abandoned just few weeks ago, I heard however that the songs on the new unreleased album'2 come in September might be fulfilled by Trax from 1999 era....but this is not a news ....so....?....wait and see
Reply #229 posted 04/27/18 2:49pm

Silvertongue7

IstenSzek said:

well, only 154 days left until we're listening to it lol


Can we please not wish for September to arrive too quickly? I have six weeks holidays before that and I don’t want them gone too fast! lol
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #230 posted 04/27/18 3:16pm

bonatoc

Silvertongue7 said:

IstenSzek said:

well, only 154 days left until we're listening to it lol

Can we please not wish for September to arrive too quickly? I have six weeks holidays before that and I don’t want them gone too fast! lol


Well, hop on.


The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #231 posted 04/27/18 3:50pm

djThunderfunk

You could freeze yourself like Cartman did...

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #232 posted 04/27/18 3:50pm

djThunderfunk

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #233 posted 04/27/18 4:08pm

Missmusicluver72

This is very exciting news! I just hope the estate keeps things in order and not just be teasing us, then nothing happens.

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
RIP Sweet Prince
Reply #234 posted 04/27/18 6:44pm

OnlyNDaUsa

bonatoc said:

Silvertongue7 said:

IstenSzek said: Can we please not wish for September to arrive too quickly? I have six weeks holidays before that and I don’t want them gone too fast! lol


Well, hop on.


if I had a time machine I would make a different trip

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #235 posted 04/27/18 7:15pm

214

love2thenines2003 said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones mentioned the 1999 remaster than evaporated

The Deluxe project was abandoned just few weeks ago, I heard however that the songs on the new unreleased album'2 come in September might be fulfilled by Trax from 1999 era....but this is not a news ....so....?....wait and see

Why was that?

Reply #236 posted 04/27/18 7:17pm

AnnaStesia10

YES!!!!! 🤩😛
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #237 posted 04/27/18 7:34pm

Strive

Alot of people are hoping for 82-84 but I'm hoping for 85-86. There's alot of great tracks the general public needs to hear along with a bunch of possible surprises.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #238 posted 04/27/18 7:42pm

mcmk785new

hoping for a small bit 80-82 at least
until then i'll pretend this fuchsia light is god...
Reply #239 posted 04/27/18 8:40pm

Doozer

djThunderfunk said:

 



Rebeljuice said:


 



djThunderfunk said:


 



Thanks for that info. I need more hard drives to back up my back ups.... Redundancy seems wise. wink



Migrate to SSD as a storage solution. Whilst not infallable, certainly better than mechanical drives.

Or even better, back up your stuff in the cloud. If you got Windows 10 then Onedrive is built right into your Windows Explorer so there is no need to actually do anything other than save your stuff in the Onedrive folders. You can even mark them as "online only" so they do not take up space on your hard drive, yet you can still see the files as if they were there.

Alternatively you have the likes of Google Drive, Amazon, Dropbox and whatever Apple provides to name a few. 

I probably have around 400 gigs of Prince music/video and have it stored in the cloud, on a mechanical hard drive and an external SSD. Hopefully I have my bases covered.




I guess I know less than I thought I did. I don't understand the difference between "SSD" & "Mechanical" drives.

I use WD external hard drives, I have 6 of them that range from 1-5 TB. I'm hoping to buy an 8TB soon but don't have the $ yet. I don't use any cloud services. How much does it cost to store 17-18 TB in the cloud? I bet it would take FOREVER to upload...



SSD = solid state drive. No moving parts, faster read/write times, longer lifespan

“Mechanical” = the hard drive as we’ve known it for 20+ years, with a literal spinning disk inside

That’s the implication being made here - SSDs are definitely the way to go for dependable local storage with the redundancy of local and cloud backups.
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #240 posted 04/28/18 4:05am

bonatoc

OnlyNDaUsa said:

one thing to remember about the lifespan of some of these drives is they wear out or go bad when used over and over reading and writing... but if you just write once and leave it alone it could last for a long time.


Don't forget the silicon. The gel, not the rope.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #241 posted 04/28/18 10:07am

luvsexy4all

214 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

luvsexy4all said: The Deluxe project was abandoned just few weeks ago, I heard however that the songs on the new unreleased album'2 come in September might be fulfilled by Trax from 1999 era....but this is not a news ....so....?....wait and see

Why was that?

u would think they would flood the market....WHY NOT?

Reply #242 posted 04/28/18 1:50pm

MIRvmn

love2thenines2003 said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones mentioned the 1999 remaster than  evaporated




The Deluxe project was abandoned just few weeks ago, I heard however that the songs on the new unreleased album'2 come in September might be fulfilled by Trax from 1999 era....but this is not a news ....so....?....wait and see

I wonder why, I don't mind more deluxe releases with a bonus disc of unreleased material.
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
Reply #243 posted 04/28/18 2:20pm

OnlyNDaUsa

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #244 posted 04/29/18 5:32am

jaawwnn

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Me too, that version absolutely deserves an official release.

[Edited 4/29/18 5:32am]

Reply #245 posted 04/29/18 5:38am

love2thenines2003

jaawwnn said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Me too, that version absolutely deserves an official release.

[Edited 4/29/18 5:32am]

I don't know if this one does exist in the Vault but i'd like to see release the Demo / Alternate take or longer version of the song "All the critics love u in NY" in my top 5 best ever song written by Prince IMO !

[Edited 4/29/18 5:39am]

Reply #246 posted 04/29/18 7:04am

soladeo1

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they  do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it



Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look??

D1:
1999
Little Red Corvette
Delirious
Let's Pretend We're Married
D.M.S.R.
Automatic
Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)
Free
Lady Cab Driver
All The Critics Love U In New York
International Lover
CD2:
Purple Music
How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore?
Lust U Always
Possessed (Alernate Version)
Horny Toad
You're All I Want
Turn It Up
U Should Be Mine
Yah, U Know
If It'll Make U Happy
Don't Let Him Fool Ya
Fox Trap
No Call U
Moonbean Levels
Plus 1 concert:
3 March 1983: Bloo
Reply #247 posted 04/29/18 7:32am

JorisE73

soladeo1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look?? D1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Possessed (Alernate Version) Horny Toad You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloo


Your missing the obvious ones like Extra Loveabel, Irresistable Bitch and Feel U Up.

From The Vault:

Baby, I'm A Star
Bold Generation
Boom, Boom
Can't Stop This Feeling I Got
Colleen

Do Yourself A Favor

Don\t Let Him Fool Ya

Extra Lovable
Feel u Up
Fox Trap
Girl O My Dreams

I Coiuld Never Take The Place Of Your Man

If It'll Make U Happy

Irresistable Bitch

Jerk Out

Lust U Always

Mia Bocca

Money Don't Grow On trees
Moonbeam Levels
Moral Majority
My Baby Knows How To Love Me
New Position
No Call U
Purple Music
Raspberry Beret
Rearrange

Strange Relationship
Teacher, Teacher

Too Much
Turn It Up
U Should Be Mine
Vagina
Wouldn't You Love To Love Me?
Yah, U Know
You're All I Want
You're My Love

And of course the remixes and B-sides.

That's a pretty impressive period next to the Vanity 6 Album and What Time Is It? which probably also exist with Prince's vocals.

This could be a huge set and as was mentioned earlier here on the site on some other topic, this apparently was a way more impressive and and better musical period than the Purple Rain era.
If only we could hear all of this wink

Reply #248 posted 04/29/18 7:33am

udo

soladeo1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look??

.

Why would you think them folks that cannot deliver a similar PR, will deliver a 1999 like that?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #249 posted 04/29/18 7:37am

bonatoc

udo said:

soladeo1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look??

.

Why would you think them folks that cannot deliver a similar PR, will deliver a 1999 like that?


Who knows, it seems that lately they're getting their shit together.
Give them a little time.
I mean imagine you get to go through the whole Vault.
It's going to take them years to catalogue it properly. Things have changed since PR "Deluxe".

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #250 posted 04/29/18 9:58am

eyewishuheaven

bonatoc said:

udo said:

.

Why would you think them folks that cannot deliver a similar PR, will deliver a 1999 like that?


Who knows, it seems that lately they're getting their shit together.
Give them a little time.
I mean imagine you get to go through the whole Vault.
It's going to take them years to catalogue it properly. Things have changed since PR "Deluxe".


Yeah, wasn't PR Deluxe composed solely of things that WB was already in possession of? Thought I heard that...

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #251 posted 04/29/18 12:29pm

Vannormal

djThunderfunk said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Join forces and do what? We can't even all agree on a single disc for Emancipation. Letting us loose on picking which vault tracks should be released would just end up in an all out war. lol


Yeah, THAT!! We are absolutely NOT all in agreement. lol

Damn, it doesn't matter, does it ?

All these different differences.

We're all still PRINCE FANS !!

Right ?!

STAND PURPLE !

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #252 posted 04/29/18 1:23pm

OnlyNDaUsa

TheEnglishGent said:

Vannormal said:

Well.

We could always join forces.

Put together sort of a 'letter',

or a 'petition',

to let them know, that (hard core & other) fans (mostly) have a greater, bigger 'innervision' opinion on all things purple.


Join forces and do what? We can't even all agree on a single disc for Emancipation. Letting us loose on picking which vault tracks should be released would just end up in an all out war. lol

we can not agree on a 4CD version!

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #253 posted 04/29/18 9:37pm

214

soladeo1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look?? D1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Possessed (Alernate Version) Horny Toad You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloo

What about the alternate versions, specially Something In The Water alternate version, which is masterpiece.

Reply #254 posted 04/30/18 1:10am

bonatoc

eyewishuheaven said:

bonatoc said:


Who knows, it seems that lately they're getting their shit together.
Give them a little time.
I mean imagine you get to go through the whole Vault.
It's going to take them years to catalogue it properly. Things have changed since PR "Deluxe".


Yeah, wasn't PR Deluxe composed solely of things that WB was already in possession of? Thought I heard that...


It explains the glitch, the disappointing sound of "Wonderful Ass" compared to some bootlegs, etc.

NC2U comes from the Vault / the estate, from what I understand through some association with WB,
I seem to recall Girlsongs ASCAP was administered by Warner Chappell editions,
as most of Controversy Music ASCAP output,
but it's all very complicated and that was eons ago and maybe I'm blabbering.

So Warner may have access to media platforms to launch the products,
they may have publishing rights from the eighties still,
but the juice is going to be squeezed from the Archer
(my own nickname for the Vault).

They probably have decent acetates of the compiled cancelled albums of 1986 in Burbank, but nothing more.


As for the estate, they don't want to do it a dozen times.
This is top-notch digital restoring, it's 24bits 192kHz,
it costs a fortune, it's overkill,
but it's the least we can do with on of the best works in Pop music.

Preserve it at frequencies that only bats and dolphins can hear.
Animal Kingdom rules!



[Edited 4/30/18 1:22am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #255 posted 04/30/18 2:20am

scorp84

In the #metoo era we now live in, fans can only hope and pray that the original, unedited “Extraloveable” sees an official release anytime in the future.
Reply #256 posted 04/30/18 2:41am

JorisE73

scorp84 said:

In the #metoo era we now live in, fans can only hope and pray that the original, unedited “Extraloveable” sees an official release anytime in the future.



I think people can handle Prince singing a rape line in context of a song instead of thinking he immediatly raped every person he's been in contact with. I know this is hard for all for all these weak and hyper sensitive SJW types these days to handle but honestly what is next, burning books and movies that depict rape?

Reply #257 posted 04/30/18 2:48am

jaawwnn

JorisE73 said:

scorp84 said:

In the #metoo era we now live in, fans can only hope and pray that the original, unedited “Extraloveable” sees an official release anytime in the future.



I think people can handle Prince singing a rape line in context of a song instead of thinking he immediatly raped every person he's been in contact with. I know this is hard for all for all these weak and hyper sensitive SJW types these days to handle but honestly what is next, burning books and movies that depict rape?

It'd be really interesting to see how it would be taken if released. I mean, Prince effectively agreed that a song with those lyrics wasn't fit to be released. Do we damn him for music and thoughts made in private now? Hell, if you think an artist must be a saint at all times then Prince told you to give up on him in the lyrics to Electric Chair.

[Edited 4/30/18 2:48am]

Reply #258 posted 04/30/18 4:06am

bonatoc

jaawwnn said:

JorisE73 said:



I think people can handle Prince singing a rape line in context of a song instead of thinking he immediatly raped every person he's been in contact with. I know this is hard for all for all these weak and hyper sensitive SJW types these days to handle but honestly what is next, burning books and movies that depict rape?

It'd be really interesting to see how it would be taken if released. I mean, Prince effectively agreed that a song with those lyrics wasn't fit to be released. Do we damn him for music and thoughts made in private now? Hell, if you think an artist must be a saint at all times then Prince told you to give up on him in the lyrics to Electric Chair.

[Edited 4/30/18 2:48am]


It doesn't mean they can't be an entry in Prince's journal, or rather, letters,
where the intimate relationship was consumated enough for the rape line to be understood as furious sexual frustration, being from the distance, or break-up, who knows, but Prince wouldn't rap like that to a girl he knows wouldn't understand.


I agree, some pages of SKipper's Journal are better left off wandering for our fun only.

Apparently Minnesotans troubadours can get harshly angry at women who break their cow-boys heart.
Do-wrong women again... They deserve a good spank for the easy resort to retaliation.
Poor woman whose memory make them cow-boys write such laser-cutting poetry.

There is a pop artist quite popular in France, Orelsan,
and his first underground self-released song was him
insulting his ex, but written and delivered in such manner
than all is left is the pain, the heartache, and sex is not the issue.
Although, he insults the girl for the whole damn song.

"Rape U if I must" is just a graffiti on Hi School showers walls, in SKipper's Dirty Mind.
That's what makes Purple Rain so great, the restraint in the Punk.
But Prince was forever changed by romantics.

From the first images, you can tell Purple Rain is a punk movie at heart.
The pinball, the KISS fan, Tony M doing the snake, sweat, hair, smell,
The romantic cut of a blood red rose.

It sounds as if Prince was trying to go Stooges-Funk with such a line. The extreme.
I could almost picture Iggy whispering "Rape you if i must" in Funhouse's Dirt.

But of course not a single of these troubadours are going to rape nobody.

They have manners.



[Edited 4/30/18 4:20am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #259 posted 04/30/18 4:30am

sulls

scorp84 said:

In the #metoo era we now live in, fans can only hope and pray that the original, unedited “Extraloveable” sees an official release anytime in the future.

One of my grail trax. I fear, in the environment we are in now, the original unedited version will never be officially released. sad

"I like to watch."
Reply #260 posted 04/30/18 5:42am

OnlyNDaUsa

sulls said:

scorp84 said:

In the #metoo era we now live in, fans can only hope and pray that the original, unedited “Extraloveable” sees an official release anytime in the future.

One of my grail trax. I fear, in the environment we are in now, the original unedited version will never be officially released. sad

I do not see any reason not to release it as is. And I have been in debates over this for decades.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #261 posted 04/30/18 6:22am

udo

bonatoc said:

udo said:

.

Why would you think them folks that cannot deliver a similar PR, will deliver a 1999 like that?


Who knows, it seems that lately they're getting their shit together.
Give them a little time.

.

So they do not even have a somewhat vague project goal?

Like: Let us do a few aborted albums first?

Or: Let us do a few live shows first?

Or: Let us do a few remastered albums first with at least 4 discs each?

They shared zero with us.

As if we're still teens.

THEY have to grow up as they do not have their shit together.

We have the money ready.

And they do not even have a plan.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #262 posted 04/30/18 6:45am

alandail

Did I miss where the interview said album? The interview reads like it could just be one song, but the article itself says album.

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Reply #263 posted 04/30/18 6:48am

OnlyNDaUsa

alandail said:

Did I miss where the interview said album? The interview reads like it could just be one song, but the article itself says album.

That is why some think it is a live show. The best guesses are either the Aug 3, 1983, or June 7, 1984 show.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #264 posted 04/30/18 6:57am

fredmagnus

Troy talked in the interview about a "full length album" and said Michael Howe found special "pieces of work" including the one they choose for the september release which for me clearly stands for "studio work".

Reply #265 posted 04/30/18 7:00am

IstenSzek

i don't really get why the wording has to be so excruciatingly difficult to gauge sad

it seems like it always was and always will be the case with prince releases lol

never do we get a straight up announcement or press release. we always have to
pick apart at the fabric of the general and vague statements to deduce what *may*
be released.

remember the PR deluxe announcement? 2 albums worth of unreleased material
etc.

disbelief

how difficult is it to say 'an album', 'a group of studio tracks' or 'a live show' ? no, it
has to be 'a piece'. when have you ever heard a record label say that about a new
album, *without* mentioning the actual word album or lp?

rolleyes




and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #266 posted 04/30/18 7:10am

IstenSzek

hmm, read the original interview again and it's actually pretty clear that
it will be an album of studio material.

so ignore my previous post lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #267 posted 04/30/18 7:15am

OnlyNDaUsa

fredmagnus said:

Troy talked in the interview about a "full length album" and said Michael Howe found special "pieces of work" including the one they choose for the september release which for me clearly stands for "studio work".

His use of "one of the pieces" seems to mean something that was already together... as one.

He also seemed to be intentionally vague and to be having a bit of fun with it. But he did say they were putting the "finishing touches" on it. Which could mean Mixing, adding music, cleaning up, working on the EQ/Balance, or even packaging and whatnot?

But I am stoked!



Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #268 posted 04/30/18 7:42am

PURPLEIZED3121

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

Reply #269 posted 04/30/18 7:54am

OnlyNDaUsa

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #270 posted 04/30/18 8:01am

udo

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

.

Well, the PR thing was not the set they announced it to be and was not the set that it should be.

So from that I do not see them going to bigger sets quickly.

And that drove me to my remakrs about us not hearing the majority of the vault in our lifetimes.

So yes, i not like the slow pace of things.

Now that we have photo's of the vault (yes!) we know what's to be researched by them.

That may take time.

But still they are old fashioned/stupid/ignorant/etc enough not to even give us a strategy around these releases.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #271 posted 04/30/18 8:20am

love2thenines2003

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?
Reply #272 posted 04/30/18 8:32am

sulls

djThunderfunk said:

You could freeze yourself like Cartman did...

I TOTALLY wanna do this!

"I like to watch."
Reply #273 posted 04/30/18 9:01am

IstenSzek

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.


personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #274 posted 04/30/18 9:07am

OnlyNDaUsa

They are still sorting it all out... they need to go through it and find out what is there and where it all goes and what is the compete or complete enough.

it is like I have said: for many acts they may from time to tome find some long lost song... for Prince they will find tapes of long lost "albums." Someone 50 years from now will find some tape in their grandmother's thins of unheard and long-lost prince songs...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #275 posted 04/30/18 9:15am

DarkKnight1

Probably wont have to wait that long. Im sure the material will pop up on a Blast from the Past in a month or 2.

(Insert something clever here)
Reply #276 posted 04/30/18 10:03am

sulls

OnlyNDaUsa said:

sulls said:

One of my grail trax. I fear, in the environment we are in now, the original unedited version will never be officially released. sad

I do not see any reason not to release it as is. And I have been in debates over this for decades.

I wish I shared your optimism...

"I like to watch."
Reply #277 posted 04/30/18 10:57am

Strive

IstenSzek said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.


personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?


It'd be the opposite. If it doesn't sell it's proof to the corporate suits that the only "value" in Prince's catalog is in the hits. Instead of us getting Jimi Hendrix style releases until the end of eternity, they'll just stick to releasing reissues of the WB albums with bonus content and the rest will rot.

I'm sure the releases will come quicker or some version of Dagger Records will be created once the estate figures out who they're going to pair up with. But people have to stop thinking that they're going to say "fuck it" and dump large portions of the vault onto the market at one time.


[Edited 4/30/18 11:06am]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #278 posted 04/30/18 2:30pm

luvsexy4all

DarkKnight1 said:

Probably wont have to wait that long. Im sure the material will pop up on a Blast from the Past in a month or 2.

it seems the release from WB will encourage the leggers to release material at the same time

Reply #279 posted 04/30/18 2:32pm

luvsexy4all

when Prince said people were instructed that stuff would be released after his death ..WHO was he refering to?

Reply #280 posted 04/30/18 4:59pm

EddieC

luvsexy4all said:

when Prince said people were instructed that stuff would be released after his death ..WHO was he refering to?

Who knows? First, he might have just been talking inaccurately--maybe he really meant that by the time he died he'd have something in place with someone who had a plan for release (and then died before he expected to die). Or maybe he really had talked about it with someone, and laid out some ideas... BUT it doesn't matter, because he didn't take the legal steps to put that someone (whoever it was) in a position to do anything at all. I'm guessing there very well may have been some vague conversations over the years with different people--whoever was closest at the time, probably (Londell probably was part of a conversation or two back when he was in the circle, for example). Kirk seems like a reasonable possibiility. It almost certainly wasn't anyone in the family. It probably wasn't anyone at Warner.

The fact that no one's shown up saying they were that person, though, suggests to me that he didn't actually give any instructions to anyone in any real way. Otherwise the person he'd entrusted with his plan would either be working with the estate to accomplish Prince's directives or that person would be complaining that the estate wasn't doing what Prince wanted. I haven't heard of anyone doing either of those things, so I assume no one was actually given that responsibility by Prince himself.

Reply #281 posted 04/30/18 6:27pm

jjam

love2thenines2003 said:

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

Have you got a link for this interview?

Reply #282 posted 04/30/18 7:38pm

Mikado

EddieC said:

luvsexy4all said:

when Prince said people were instructed that stuff would be released after his death ..WHO was he refering to?

Who knows? First, he might have just been talking inaccurately--maybe he really meant that by the time he died he'd have something in place with someone who had a plan for release (and then died before he expected to die). Or maybe he really had talked about it with someone, and laid out some ideas... BUT it doesn't matter, because he didn't take the legal steps to put that someone (whoever it was) in a position to do anything at all. I'm guessing there very well may have been some vague conversations over the years with different people--whoever was closest at the time, probably (Londell probably was part of a conversation or two back when he was in the circle, for example). Kirk seems like a reasonable possibiility. It almost certainly wasn't anyone in the family. It probably wasn't anyone at Warner.

The fact that no one's shown up saying they were that person, though, suggests to me that he didn't actually give any instructions to anyone in any real way. Otherwise the person he'd entrusted with his plan would either be working with the estate to accomplish Prince's directives or that person would be complaining that the estate wasn't doing what Prince wanted. I haven't heard of anyone doing either of those things, so I assume no one was actually given that responsibility by Prince himself.

I imagine if Prince told anybody about plans for the vault, it was incredibly vague and non-specific (and thus entirely unhelpful right now).

He also always stressed that he doesn't look back on his old music in the vault, and he never really seemed to consider his own mortality, so the idea of him saying to anyone "Yeah, put out an album with XYZ tracklisting after I die" seems virtually impossible.

You can't beat Prince.
Reply #283 posted 05/01/18 1:17am

love2thenines2003

jjam said:

 



love2thenines2003 said:


MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

Have you got a link for this interview?



Hope u can understand french...MATHIEU is french!


http://www.schkopi.com/index.php/2017/11/news/rencontre-exclusive-mathieu-bitton/
Reply #284 posted 05/01/18 2:42am

Se7en

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.



They'll milk the 80s special editions, probably claiming to find "new" tracks in the Vault to add. I fully expect a 35th anniversary Purple Rain next year! lol

On top of that, they'll release music on/around the anniversary of his death (like they just did with NC2U).

Reply #285 posted 05/01/18 3:14am

udo

OnlyNDaUsa said:

They are still sorting it all out... they need to go through it and find out what is there and where it all goes and what is the compete or complete enough.

.

after a bit of time:
Ooohh! There's sooo much! We don't know where to start...!!

.

That is why you need to have a strategy in place before this moment.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #286 posted 05/01/18 5:25am

jjam

love2thenines2003 said:

jjam said:

Have you got a link for this interview?

Hope u can understand french...MATHIEU is french! http://www.schkopi.com/in...eu-bitton/

My French is not so bad - thanks for the link!

Reply #287 posted 05/01/18 10:57am

purplethunder3121

love2thenines2003 said:

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

eek Why?

Still running
Still running
Still running...to stand still.
Reply #288 posted 05/01/18 11:39am

Tangerine17

jjam said:

love2thenines2003 said:

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

Have you got a link for this interview?

Yes, what interview are you referring to? I'd like to know as well.

Reply #289 posted 05/01/18 12:16pm

ElGorillos

Tangerine17 said:

jjam said:

Have you got a link for this interview?

Yes, what interview are you referring to? I'd like to know as well.


The video interview with schkopi.com (link above in love2thenines2003's reply).

I don't speak French, but could you please verify what love2thenines2003 wrote, Mathieu? TIA!


EG

Reply #290 posted 05/01/18 1:16pm

alb69

What music is played in the background during this interview with Mathieu? I recognise tracks , repetition, str relationship but not these versions

Reply #291 posted 05/01/18 3:27pm

Moonbeam

The date on that interview is from November last year. Is the general point that more interesting material was shelved a reference to PR Deluxe or tre upcoming September release? I don't speak French very well so I'm hopeless at understanding the interview, but I think this is an important distinction to make.
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Reply #292 posted 05/01/18 6:36pm

rudeboynpg

They should release that bootlegged song about Billy Sparks sunglasses. I love that one and was disappointed that it wasn't included on the Purple Rain Deluxe.

[Edited 5/1/18 18:37pm]

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Reply #293 posted 05/01/18 9:02pm

214

jjam said:

love2thenines2003 said:

jjam said: Hope u can understand french...MATHIEU is french! http://www.schkopi.com/in...eu-bitton/

My French is not so bad - thanks for the link!

I wish I could say the same. confused

Reply #294 posted 05/02/18 1:06am

love2thenines2003

Moonbeam said:

The date on that interview is from November last year. Is the general point that more interesting material was shelved a reference to PR Deluxe or tre upcoming September release? I don't speak French very well so I'm hopeless at understanding the interview, but I think this is an important distinction to make.

He said in this interview that he's worked on PR deluxe...he was only a consultant and hadn't the final decision...he proposed the idea of a Box set with more unreleased material ...the 1st av 83 should have been included...he submitted the idea to keep out Velvet Kitty cat because the quality of the song ..very poor indeed....other trax (there is enough good material for this) were discarded unfortunately by WB 4 reasons unknown but he couldn't say more because right of reservation but he is very confident that a lot of this material discarded 1st (Audio/Video) will see the light of day in the future (he said that back in the day in November 2017)...so we will C !

Reply #295 posted 05/02/18 2:55am

IstenSzek

love2thenines2003 said:

Moonbeam said:

The date on that interview is from November last year. Is the general point that more interesting material was shelved a reference to PR Deluxe or tre upcoming September release? I don't speak French very well so I'm hopeless at understanding the interview, but I think this is an important distinction to make.

He said in this interview that he's worked on PR deluxe...he was only a consultant and hadn't the final decision...he proposed the idea of a Box set with more unreleased material ...the 1st av 83 should have been included...he submitted the idea to keep out Velvet Kitty cat because the quality of the song ..very poor indeed....other trax (there is enough good material for this) were discarded unfortunately by WB 4 reasons unknown but he couldn't say more because right of reservation but he is very confident that a lot of this material discarded 1st (Audio/Video) will see the light of day in the future (he said that back in the day in November 2017)...so we will C !


well warners did mention 2 albums of unreleased material before the release
so we were already wondering what happened to that other album. nice to
see someone sort of confirm that there were indeed more tracks there at one
stage. and i agree about VKK. it's a nice little track but it sounds VERY out of
place among those other tracks.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #296 posted 05/02/18 9:32pm

Vannormal

IstenSzek said:

i don't really get why the wording has to be so excruciatingly difficult to gauge sad

it seems like it always was and always will be the case with prince releases lol

never do we get a straight up announcement or press release. we always have to
pick apart at the fabric of the general and vague statements to deduce what *may*
be released.

remember the PR deluxe announcement? 2 albums worth of unreleased material
etc.

disbelief

how difficult is it to say 'an album', 'a group of studio tracks' or 'a live show' ? no, it
has to be 'a piece'. when have you ever heard a record label say that about a new
album, *without* mentioning the actual word album or lp?

rolleyes




Honestly, thàt's partly is the reason why you're here, why we are all here.

We all exactly would like a straight clear annoucement of a release with some explanation.

But it won't ever happen. And 'if' it should happen... no, it never will.

-

Those tradmark vague shitty announcements, secrecy and 'teasing' was for nearly 40 years Prince's decision. It never ever was any diferent. Oh yes it was once i remember, the announcement of ATWIAD, as an album that is.

We HAD to learn to live with it. Although it remains tough, it's that purple mistique that doesn't mean shit. But, it might deliver us at least 'something'. Thàt is certain. (And yet not always) wink

You know what i mean ?

-

But. Instead, we had tons of bootlegs, countless withdrawn projects, unreleased albums, tons and tons of live performances, live shows, aftershows, several movies and DVDboot live performances, internet websites, tons of videos, name it. Unlike any other artist out there, ever !

-

I think I wouldn't want to change a thing, and the estate or whomever it is in charge these days, actually clearly isn't capable to do the same. Or, they do it on purpose. Just to keep the buzz going.

-

Although at my age as a Prince fan, the buzz doesn't buzz all that much anymore. wink

One get's used to it. Although there will always be a little somthing jumping in my heart everytime there is some sort of album announcemnt news.

Don't U ?

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #297 posted 05/02/18 10:19pm

alandail

Se7en said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.



They'll milk the 80s special editions, probably claiming to find "new" tracks in the Vault to add. I fully expect a 35th anniversary Purple Rain next year! lol

On top of that, they'll release music on/around the anniversary of his death (like they just did with NC2U).

I'd prefer they release stuff on his birthday.

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Reply #298 posted 05/03/18 12:04am

Rebeljuice

alandail said:

Se7en said:



They'll milk the 80s special editions, probably claiming to find "new" tracks in the Vault to add. I fully expect a 35th anniversary Purple Rain next year! lol

On top of that, they'll release music on/around the anniversary of his death (like they just did with NC2U).

I'd prefer they release stuff on his birthday.

I'd prefer they release something every month. I doubt I have another 40 years left in me for the usual annual release schedule. And considering there is probably more unreleased music than he officially released, 40 years is being very conservative.

Reply #299 posted 05/03/18 12:46am

embmmusic

With a release date in September surely they should be giving us a concrete announcement soon for the sake of pre-orders.

Reply #300 posted 05/03/18 3:21am

IstenSzek

Vannormal said:

IstenSzek said:

i don't really get why the wording has to be so excruciatingly difficult to gauge sad

it seems like it always was and always will be the case with prince releases lol

never do we get a straight up announcement or press release. we always have to
pick apart at the fabric of the general and vague statements to deduce what *may*
be released.

remember the PR deluxe announcement? 2 albums worth of unreleased material
etc.

disbelief

how difficult is it to say 'an album', 'a group of studio tracks' or 'a live show' ? no, it
has to be 'a piece'. when have you ever heard a record label say that about a new
album, *without* mentioning the actual word album or lp?

rolleyes




Honestly, thàt's partly is the reason why you're here, why we are all here.

We all exactly would like a straight clear annoucement of a release with some explanation.

But it won't ever happen. And 'if' it should happen... no, it never will.

-

Those tradmark vague shitty announcements, secrecy and 'teasing' was for nearly 40 years Prince's decision. It never ever was any diferent. Oh yes it was once i remember, the announcement of ATWIAD, as an album that is.

We HAD to learn to live with it. Although it remains tough, it's that purple mistique that doesn't mean shit. But, it might deliver us at least 'something'. Thàt is certain. (And yet not always) wink

You know what i mean ?

-

But. Instead, we had tons of bootlegs, countless withdrawn projects, unreleased albums, tons and tons of live performances, live shows, aftershows, several movies and DVDboot live performances, internet websites, tons of videos, name it. Unlike any other artist out there, ever !

-

I think I wouldn't want to change a thing, and the estate or whomever it is in charge these days, actually clearly isn't capable to do the same. Or, they do it on purpose. Just to keep the buzz going.

-

Although at my age as a Prince fan, the buzz doesn't buzz all that much anymore. wink

One get's used to it. Although there will always be a little somthing jumping in my heart everytime there is some sort of album announcemnt news.

Don't U ?


nod

and a prince album announcement still gets me as excited today as it did 30 years ago biggrin

he's the only artist i've followed this closely and simply also liked 95% of all his output.

so whenever there was some 'news' coming from the prince camp i got excited. so yes,
i know the smoke and mirrors and frustration and sometimes disappointment that came
with all those announcements in the past as well. but you're right, i wouldn't trade it for
anything else either. it was part of the whole rush of following prince.

now it's more frustrating than exciting because there is so much material hanging in the
balance and that kind of drives me nuts just thinking about what could be released lol

but i also know that if i just keep hanging in there another 30 years, i'll probably still be
enjoying new prince albums in my early 70s lol so it's all good smile


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #301 posted 05/03/18 11:34pm

love2thenines2003

Susan rogers back in January during an interview for a conference in Montreal has declared that at that time she was contacted as a consultant by WBR/The Estate to work on 1982 Material specifically for an album...she gave them some advices only because she couldnt work on it much more than that...she had other 1st priorities!
Take this for what it is!
[Edited 5/3/18 23:34pm]
Reply #302 posted 05/04/18 11:20am

OnlyNDaUsa

wait: what if it was the Dawn (1986) album or project? maybe it was further along that we know?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #303 posted 05/05/18 12:14am

C0RAZ0N

This is exciting
Reply #304 posted 05/05/18 1:05am

Rebeljuice

I am one of those fans that thinks that, by and large, Prince put his best material on the albums he released. Certainly in the 80s. Whilst there are many gems amongst the leaked outtakes, and I have made a gazzilion playlists out of them that I thought would have made a great album, none of those playlists were better than the album that actually was released. So unless there really are whole albums that got shelved that we have not heard about, it is going to be very tough to release something as good as what was officially released at the time. In the 80s anyway. I mean how do you top 1999, PR, SOTT, Parade or Lovesexy? Answer - you don't unless there really is something special Prince held back on that was never leaked.

Anything from '95 onwards is anyone's guess as i think his output declined and the leaks stopped flowing. So finding a gem from this period onwards may be much easier to do. The bar is set slightly lower and the lack of leaks suggest more music that has never been heard at all.

Reply #305 posted 05/05/18 11:51am

luvsexy4all

Rebeljuice said:

I am one of those fans that thinks that, by and large, Prince put his best material on the albums he released. Certainly in the 80s. Whilst there are many gems amongst the leaked outtakes, and I have made a gazzilion playlists out of them that I thought would have made a great album, none of those playlists were better than the album that actually was released. So unless there really are whole albums that got shelved that we have not heard about, it is going to be very tough to release something as good as what was officially released at the time. In the 80s anyway. I mean how do you top 1999, PR, SOTT, Parade or Lovesexy? Answer - you don't unless there really is something special Prince held back on that was never leaked.

Anything from '95 onwards is anyone's guess as i think his output declined and the leaks stopped flowing. So finding a gem from this period onwards may be much easier to do. The bar is set slightly lower and the lack of leaks suggest more music that has never been heard at all.

duh...HE plugged the leaks....

Reply #306 posted 05/05/18 1:12pm

Rebeljuice

luvsexy4all said:

Rebeljuice said:

I am one of those fans that thinks that, by and large, Prince put his best material on the albums he released. Certainly in the 80s. Whilst there are many gems amongst the leaked outtakes, and I have made a gazzilion playlists out of them that I thought would have made a great album, none of those playlists were better than the album that actually was released. So unless there really are whole albums that got shelved that we have not heard about, it is going to be very tough to release something as good as what was officially released at the time. In the 80s anyway. I mean how do you top 1999, PR, SOTT, Parade or Lovesexy? Answer - you don't unless there really is something special Prince held back on that was never leaked.

Anything from '95 onwards is anyone's guess as i think his output declined and the leaks stopped flowing. So finding a gem from this period onwards may be much easier to do. The bar is set slightly lower and the lack of leaks suggest more music that has never been heard at all.

duh...HE plugged the leaks....

duh... And your point is what? Strange....

Reply #307 posted 05/05/18 2:32pm

Militant

moderator

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


Reply #308 posted 05/05/18 6:59pm

NewpowerScarfo

Militant said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Reply #309 posted 05/05/18 7:29pm

mcmk785new

NewpowerScarfo said:

 



Militant said:


 



SquirrelMeat said:


Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

 


 


Exactly this. 





This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't. 


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example. 




Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.




Speaking of which wasn't there a fan-made survey Sharon approved last summer? What were the results of it again?
until then i'll pretend this fuchsia light is god...
Reply #310 posted 05/05/18 10:17pm

udo

Militant said:


This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.

.

How will we get this embedded in 'the Estate's' unrevealed strategy for releasing vault materials?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #311 posted 05/06/18 1:46am

ian

NewpowerScarfo said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Honestly, as far as video games are concerned that's a really horrible idea. You have to trust your own creative instincts and avoid listening to external voices too much.

Aside from the fact that the AC series have been creatively stagnant for a long time, I find that generally if you ask fans what they want, they'll mostly just name stuff they've already played. No one don't really know what they want unti it is in front of them.

Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

Reply #312 posted 05/06/18 2:16am

udo

ian said:

Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

.

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the 'normal' fan/fam/* ?

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the hardcore fan?

.

Please keep in mind that the 'normal' fan is harder to convince and has less to spend.

Please keep in mind that the hardcore fan is already convinced and is willing to buy it all.

I do not know the sizes of these markets, be it in persons or in fiat dollars.

It's just a way of finding some sort of middle road to maxmize profit$.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #313 posted 05/06/18 2:58am

jjam

IstenSzek said:

love2thenines2003 said:

He said in this interview that he's worked on PR deluxe...he was only a consultant and hadn't the final decision...he proposed the idea of a Box set with more unreleased material ...the 1st av 83 should have been included...he submitted the idea to keep out Velvet Kitty cat because the quality of the song ..very poor indeed....other trax (there is enough good material for this) were discarded unfortunately by WB 4 reasons unknown but he couldn't say more because right of reservation but he is very confident that a lot of this material discarded 1st (Audio/Video) will see the light of day in the future (he said that back in the day in November 2017)...so we will C !


well warners did mention 2 albums of unreleased material before the release
so we were already wondering what happened to that other album. nice to
see someone sort of confirm that there were indeed more tracks there at one
stage. and i agree about VKK. it's a nice little track but it sounds VERY out of
place among those other tracks.


I'd sooner listen to Purple & Gold than that Velvet Kitty Cat shit again.

Reply #314 posted 05/06/18 3:12am

JorisE73

udo said:

ian said:

Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

.

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the 'normal' fan/fam/* ?

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the hardcore fan?

.

Please keep in mind that the 'normal' fan is harder to convince and has less to spend.

Please keep in mind that the hardcore fan is already convinced and is willing to buy it all.

I do not know the sizes of these markets, be it in persons or in fiat dollars.

It's just a way of finding some sort of middle road to maxmize profit$.


My guess is is that they want to focus more on the general public because the fans (hardcore and 'normal') will buy it anyway. What they probably want is to tap into the pockets of the general public that still buys records and make him relevant to the younger audiences because in the long run these people will spend more if they become a fan.

Reply #315 posted 05/06/18 4:20am

eyewishuheaven

Just wanna say, as a hardcore fan who's mostly avoided boots, I wanna be able to buy all the stuff that you guys are currently taking for granted. As mentioned upthread, if y'all spoiled yourselves over the years, that's on you. But I'd wager there's a large portion of us fans who don't have everything (anything?) that you have, and we wanna slap our money down for it.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #316 posted 05/06/18 5:54am

OnlyNDaUsa

NewpowerScarfo said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #317 posted 05/06/18 9:42am

embmmusic

OnlyNDaUsa said:

NewpowerScarfo said:

Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album

Reply #318 posted 05/06/18 9:56am

Silvertongue7

embmmusic said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


 



NewpowerScarfo said:


 


Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.



 


 


Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues. 

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!  



If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album


Is that what it costs????
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #319 posted 05/06/18 10:16am

OnlyNDaUsa

embmmusic said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album

What? I thought they were like half that? But it looks great but they have some junk that seems worthless. But I like that vinyl 2 disk idea.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #320 posted 05/06/18 12:02pm

206Michelle

JorisE73 said:

 



udo said:


 



ian said:


Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

.


- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the 'normal' fan/fam/* ?


- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the hardcore fan?


.


Please keep in mind that the 'normal' fan is harder to convince and has less to spend.


Please keep in mind that the hardcore fan is already convinced and is willing to buy it all.


I do not know the sizes of these markets, be it in persons or in fiat dollars.


It's just a way of finding some sort of middle road to maxmize profit$.


 




My guess is is that they want to focus more on the general public because the fans (hardcore and 'normal') will buy it anyway. What they probably want is to tap into the pockets of the general public that still buys records and make him relevant to the younger audiences because in the long run these people will spend more if they become a fan. 



:yeahthat:
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #321 posted 05/06/18 8:13pm

Militant

moderator

Actually, the Guns N Roses set is pretty much exactly the model the Estate should do for remasters.

The $1000 set is the super deluxe one which comes in a custom designed art box made of wood, leather and painted.

95% of the contents available in the $1000 version are also in the regular deluxe version, which is around $180, and all of the actual music is available in the regular version which is $20 or $30.

Reply #322 posted 05/06/18 9:25pm

FragileUndertow

Militant said:

 



SquirrelMeat said:


Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

 


 


Exactly this. 





This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't. 


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example. 





I vote for Militant!
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #323 posted 05/06/18 10:16pm

kewlschool

love2thenines2003 said:

Strive said:

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together.

Czn u explicit ur thought? Thanx [Edited 4/23/18 15:28pm]

Certain band members have said that they have recorded complete albums with Prince that have never been released. So, it could be a whole album that nobody has heard since its creation or NOT! LOL

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
Reply #324 posted 05/07/18 4:38am

OnlyNDaUsa

Militant said:

Actually, the Guns N Roses set is pretty much exactly the model the Estate should do for remasters.

The $1000 set is the super deluxe one which comes in a custom designed art box made of wood, leather and painted.

95% of the contents available in the $1000 version are also in the regular deluxe version, which is around $180, and all of the actual music is available in the regular version which is $20 or $30.

Yeah if you are going to do something, overdo it. People can decide which set is for them. There are $800 lego sets (well one for the Millenium Falcon). I would be tempted to pay $1000...but I would end up getting the lower cost one. But YES the estate and WB needs to take a look at this GnR set.

I said last year they should make a Paisley Park shaped box or one that looks like the vault door for future releases of new and reissues.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #325 posted 05/07/18 4:49am

darkroman

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Militant said:

Actually, the Guns N Roses set is pretty much exactly the model the Estate should do for remasters.

The $1000 set is the super deluxe one which comes in a custom designed art box made of wood, leather and painted.

95% of the contents available in the $1000 version are also in the regular deluxe version, which is around $180, and all of the actual music is available in the regular version which is $20 or $30.

Yeah if you are going to do something, overdo it. People can decide which set is for them. There are $800 lego sets (well one for the Millenium Falcon). I would be tempted to pay $1000...but I would end up getting the lower cost one. But YES the estate and WB needs to take a look at this GnR set.

I said last year they should make a Paisley Park shaped box or one that looks like the vault door for future releases of new and reissues.



I'd rather the music be released in a straightfoward and non-complicated manner.

We just need a CD, DVD/Blu ray. We don't need extra rubbish.

Take for example the latest NC2U release, there are too many fans upset with odd bundles and ridiculous 7inch vinyl editions. Why are be going back to the stoneage! Maybe it should have been released on cassette!

Keep it digital (whether that be download or CD) and keep it high quality (24bit).

Anything else is just useless and doesn't add any value to Prince's legacy.

If Prince never did it over FIVE decades then why do it now.


neutral

Reply #326 posted 05/07/18 5:46am

OnlyNDaUsa

darkroman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Yeah if you are going to do something, overdo it. People can decide which set is for them. There are $800 lego sets (well one for the Millenium Falcon). I would be tempted to pay $1000...but I would end up getting the lower cost one. But YES the estate and WB needs to take a look at this GnR set.

I said last year they should make a Paisley Park shaped box or one that looks like the vault door for future releases of new and reissues.



I'd rather the music be released in a straightfoward and non-complicated manner.

We just need a CD, DVD/Blu ray. We don't need extra rubbish.

Take for example the latest NC2U release, there are too many fans upset with odd bundles and ridiculous 7inch vinyl editions. Why are be going back to the stoneage! Maybe it should have been released on cassette!

Keep it digital (whether that be download or CD) and keep it high quality (24bit).

Anything else is just useless and doesn't add any value to Prince's legacy.

If Prince never did it over FIVE decades then why do it now.


neutral

yet others want all that junk (and I agree most of that stuff in the GnR set is junk even the 7" singles... hell the vinal is worthess to me... and the picls, and rigngs, and on and on is nothing I would want... but some will)

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #327 posted 05/07/18 8:39am

djThunderfunk

embmmusic said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album


Yeah... I'm all for overloaded super deluxe box sets but $200 is probably the max I could go for, even if there were enough discs to justify it. And to be honest, they would have to LOAD a box set to the gills for me to even go $200. We don't need a box full of collectible stuff, we need a box full of discs.. CDs, DVDs or Blurays. I would even save vinyl for a separate release, not part of a CD box set.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #328 posted 05/07/18 9:42am

AhPook

Militant said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


Whose fault is it that we have a bunch of bootlegs? Not the estate's. And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it. There needs to be two separate release strategies. One for general consumption and one for us, the self-important fans. We'll complain and buy it all anyway.

Reply #329 posted 05/07/18 2:50pm

williamb610

IstenSzek said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.


personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

Hear, hear! I'm with IstenSzek.

We want all of Prince's shit, NOW...and not later!

Is your name a play on "listen a sec" or what?

Reply #330 posted 05/07/18 3:26pm

IstenSzek

williamb610 said:

IstenSzek said:


personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

Hear, hear! I'm with IstenSzek.

We want all of Prince's shit, NOW...and not later!

Is your name a play on "listen a sec" or what?


no lol it's 2 words, isten and szek. it's from bram stoker's dracula.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #331 posted 05/08/18 3:44pm

luvsexy4all

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???

Reply #332 posted 05/08/18 4:49pm

IstenSzek

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #333 posted 05/08/18 5:07pm

PurpleBlackmon

I hope it has the 1983 version of extra loveable on it

Reply #334 posted 05/08/18 5:28pm

IstenSzek

PurpleBlackmon said:

I hope it has the 1983 version of extra loveable on it


honestly, i wouldn't mind if it was an album with stuff like "extraloveable" and "purple music"
and "lust u always" on it. if it's all in great, great soundquality, it would be amazing to have
all those kind of tracks together on an album -especially if prince sort of kind of halfway did
group those songs together. but either way, it's not a major gripe for me if releases from the
vault contain some material we've known for decades or so, as long as the quality is great
and the project is somewhat cohesive and includes a few surprised we've never heard yet or
didn't even know anything about, it's all good imo.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #335 posted 05/08/18 5:57pm

206Michelle

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




The video of Nothing Compares 2 U released this past month (April 2018) already has 4 million + views on YouTube after less than 3 weeks there.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #336 posted 05/08/18 7:04pm

IstenSzek

206Michelle said:

IstenSzek said:


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




The video of Nothing Compares 2 U released this past month (April 2018) already has 4 million + views on YouTube after less than 3 weeks there.


cool i stand corrected smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #337 posted 05/08/18 7:11pm

ChocolateBox3121

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #338 posted 05/08/18 9:34pm

udo

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

.

Proof? (or rather: who mentioned where that this is a fact?)

And what about 2017 and 12018 and beyond?

Or rather: how much has his death influenced sales on the short term versus the longer term?

Or even: how timeless are his songs, his vault material?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #339 posted 05/09/18 12:45am

ChocolateBox3121

udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

.

Proof? (or rather: who mentioned where that this is a fact?)

And what about 2017 and 12018 and beyond?

Or rather: how much has his death influenced sales on the short term versus the longer term?

Or even: how timeless are his songs, his vault material?

Prince Sold More Albums Than Any Other Artist in 2016

In the year after Prince's death on April 21, 2016, the Purple One's catalog of albums and songs have sold a combined 7.7 million copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen Music, through the week ending April 13. Of that sum, 2.3 million were in traditional album sales, and 5.4 million were from digital song downloads.

The bulk of his album and songs sales occurred in the month after his death: 5.65 million were registered between April 21 and May 19, 2016.

Incredibly, for the full year of 2016, Prince sold more albums than any other artist -- even Adele -- with 2.23 million copies sold. (Adele sold 2.21 million albums last year.)

2016 was already almost half over when Prince transitioned. So he sold right into 2017.

2018 is NOT over yet.

[Snip - luv4u]

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7767819/prince-sold-more-albums-than-any-artist-2016

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #340 posted 05/09/18 1:47am

Vannormal

ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:

rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

That was then.

This is now.

2 years already and counting...

-

time goes....................................faster than you think

-

Relatives, they want to to squeeze every penny out of every unreleased sound.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #341 posted 05/09/18 2:38am

Vannormal

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




That alone will generate $$.

Not to forget.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #342 posted 05/09/18 3:45am

peer1973

even maybe not into the 6 digit figures, but every re-release will generate profit.

Why would Universal continue to re-release all those superdeluxe editions, for virtually every single artist in their catalogue.

Now this is prince, the production costs shouldn't be that high compared to (potential) sales.

they should only treat it as a niche market, keep initital volumes low, and add to production numbers, on lower availabilty compared to demand.

there's money to be made, and fans to please....if they drop the idea to make millions on it.

CD's still sell in volumes to make a profit.

Reply #343 posted 05/09/18 4:25am

AndrewMc

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.

Reply #344 posted 05/09/18 5:04am

love2thenines2003

AndrewMc said:

 



Dandroppedadime said:


I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks.  It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.



MUTINY with Prince's vocal is circulating for years!
Reply #345 posted 05/09/18 6:03am

OnlyNDaUsa

AndrewMc said:

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.

I do want those tracks to be released but I do not think that is what this is. At least I hope not.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #346 posted 05/09/18 6:09am

JorisE73

OnlyNDaUsa said:

AndrewMc said:

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.

I do want those tracks to be released but I do not think that is what this is. At least I hope not.


I thnk it will be some inchoherent collection of outtakes from his entire carreer, so no proper chronological and proper sorted archive release. But just a 'Greatest unreleased Hits' type of thing.

Reply #347 posted 05/09/18 6:34am

IstenSzek

peer1973 said:

even maybe not into the 6 digit figures, but every re-release will generate profit.

Why would Universal continue to re-release all those superdeluxe editions, for virtually every single artist in their catalogue.

Now this is prince, the production costs shouldn't be that high compared to (potential) sales.

they should only treat it as a niche market, keep initital volumes low, and add to production numbers, on lower availabilty compared to demand.

there's money to be made, and fans to please....if they drop the idea to make millions on it.

CD's still sell in volumes to make a profit.


that's all i'm trying to say. nod

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #348 posted 05/09/18 7:05am

Musze

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)



Getting upset that official releases contain tracks we've already heard on bootlegs is asinine. We knew that we were essentially consuming "spoilers" but chose to keep on doing so. Many will get mad if a new 12 track CD contains 8 tracks we already have, but, who's fault is that? It's like a kid who peaks at his Christmas presents and then gets disappointed on Christmas morning because there are no surprises.

Perfectly stated.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
Reply #349 posted 05/09/18 7:10am

OnlyNDaUsa

Musze said:

djThunderfunk said:


Getting upset that official releases contain tracks we've already heard on bootlegs is asinine. We knew that we were essentially consuming "spoilers" but chose to keep on doing so. Many will get mad if a new 12 track CD contains 8 tracks we already have, but, who's fault is that? It's like a kid who peaks at his Christmas presents and then gets disappointed on Christmas morning because there are no surprises.

Perfectly stated.

it is the deal we made. I was not happy with 4Ever but I still bought it (but never opened it)... even if it is something I have had for years (Like 8-3-1983 or 6-7-1984 audio) and was not all that blown away by *I am not as into live stuff as I am studio* I will still get it.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #350 posted 05/09/18 7:12am

Musze

soladeo1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look?? D1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Possessed (Alernate Version) Horny Toad You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloo

I really, really want a full version of IF IT'LL MAKE U HAPPY in my life. lol

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
Reply #351 posted 05/09/18 7:38am

udo

ChocolateBox3121 said:


[Snip - luv4u]

.

WTF!?
I ask simple questions about facts and you try to turn this into something personal?

Please explain your fan-thing here before even trying to put somebody else down because of their so called lack of fan-thing going on.

That is so weak, and weak it is.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #352 posted 05/09/18 7:52am

renfield

IstenSzek said:

williamb610 said:

Hear, hear! I'm with IstenSzek.

We want all of Prince's shit, NOW...and not later!

Is your name a play on "listen a sec" or what?


no lol it's 2 words, isten and szek. it's from bram stoker's dracula.


Lol My name is from Dracula too (obviously!)

Reply #353 posted 05/09/18 7:55am

ChocolateBox3121

udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:


[Snip - luv4u]

.

WTF!?
I ask simple questions about facts and you try to turn this into something personal?

Please explain your fan-thing here before even trying to put somebody else down because of their so called lack of fan-thing going on.

That is so weak, and weak it is.

[Snip - luv4u]

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #354 posted 05/09/18 8:11am

udo

ChocolateBox3121 said:

udo said:


That is so weak, and weak it is.

[Snip - luv4u]

.

Where does that answer my questions about your question about my fandom?

Time is progressing.

Fans get older.

Fams get older.

Youngsters listen to different stuff.

So they better hurry if they want to sell.

.

[Snip - luv4u].

.

Where did I insinuate anything?

Please clarify your baseless accusations.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #355 posted 05/09/18 10:55am

luvsexy4all

ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

but THAT was just people buying a dead artist...

Reply #356 posted 05/09/18 11:26am

luvsexy4all

imagine if this happened when CDs were STILL the no1 media?? would they have flooded the market ???

Reply #357 posted 05/09/18 11:52am

ChocolateBox3121

luvsexy4all said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

but THAT was just people buying a dead artist...

disbelief

I swear this place is SO disrespectful.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #358 posted 05/09/18 12:06pm

luvsexy4all

ChocolateBox3121 said:

luvsexy4all said:

but THAT was just people buying a dead artist...

disbelief

I swear this place is SO disrespectful.

no ..it isnt..it wasnt his "fans" buying all those cds etc

Reply #359 posted 05/09/18 2:42pm

ChocolateBox3121

luvsexy4all said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

disbelief

I swear this place is SO disrespectful.

no ..it isnt..it wasnt his "fans" buying all those cds etc

[Edited 5/9/18 15:47pm]

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #360 posted 05/09/18 3:18pm

djThunderfunk

ChocolateBox3121 said:

[eek snip - luv4u]


That's some uncalled for cow2 doody right there.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #361 posted 05/09/18 7:03pm

williamb610

renfield said:

IstenSzek said:


no lol it's 2 words, isten and szek. it's from bram stoker's dracula.


Lol My name is from Dracula too (obviously!)

Not you...because I don't know you, but Renfeld, the Dracula character is a really wacked out character but with a conscience.

I just read the Wikipedia! wink Do you and IstenSzek know each other, with your Dracula references?

Reply #362 posted 05/09/18 7:22pm

IstenSzek

williamb610 said:

renfield said:

Lol My name is from Dracula too (obviously!)

Not you...because I don't know you, but Renfeld, the Dracula character is a really wacked out character but with a conscience.

I just read the Wikipedia! wink Do you and IstenSzek know each other, with your Dracula references?


i don't think we do. but you never know with org usernames. anyone could be behind them lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #363 posted 05/10/18 3:49am

Dandroppedadime

The greatest unreleased albums box set: the rebels, roadhouse garden, dream factory, Camille, rave into the joy fantastic, the dawn, last December, Madrid 2 chicago. I’d buy that for 100 green backs!
Reply #364 posted 05/10/18 4:14am

NorthC

^ Me too! foodnow
"If you have men who will only come if they know there is a good road, I don't want them. I want men who will come if there is no road at all."
David Livingstone
Reply #365 posted 05/10/18 8:11am

udo

Dandroppedadime said:

The greatest unreleased albums box set: the rebels, roadhouse garden, dream factory, Camille, rave into the joy fantastic, the dawn, last December, Madrid 2 chicago. I’d buy that for 100 green backs!

.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Could they keep that pace?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #366 posted 05/10/18 8:13am

soladeo1

udo said:

Dandroppedadime said:

The greatest unreleased albums box set: the rebels, roadhouse garden, dream factory, Camille, rave into the joy fantastic, the dawn, last December, Madrid 2 chicago. I’d buy that for 100 green backs!

.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Could they keep that pace?

How about also the original CAMILLE ALBUM re-mastered in the original sequence w/ artwork???

Reply #367 posted 05/10/18 8:17am

OnlyNDaUsa

soladeo1 said:

udo said:

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Now we're getting somewhere.

Could they keep that pace?

How about also the original CAMILLE ALBUM re-mastered in the original sequence w/ artwork???

maybe as part of a box set? but otherwise, it is a waste... only one song... even Dream Factory only has what songs and 2 are short interludes... not really worthy of a proper release.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #368 posted 05/10/18 8:30am

NorthC

Camille on vinyl with original artwork... Yeah, I'd buy that even if I already have the music. And then we could fill thread after thread with "what if this was released in 87" discussions. wink
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Reply #369 posted 05/12/18 1:46pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

cool

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Reply #370 posted 05/12/18 3:39pm

Militant

moderator

AhPook said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it.


That's not the point I was making.

Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?

The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public.


Reply #371 posted 05/12/18 3:42pm

Militant

moderator

FragileUndertow said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.



This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.


I vote for Militant!

Ahhhhh, thank you! I appreciate that.

Reply #372 posted 05/12/18 3:47pm

Silvertongue7

Militant said:

 



AhPook said:


 



Militant said:


 


 


 


Exactly this. 





This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't. 


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example. 




 


And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it. 



 



That's not the point I was making. 


 


Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?


 


The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public. 



 


 


 


 


 


 


I keep saying that Nothing Compares 2U (original 84 version) should have been in it.
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #373 posted 05/13/18 3:24pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Looking forward to this. cool

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Reply #374 posted 05/13/18 8:24pm

Moonbeam

Militant said:

 



AhPook said:


 



Militant said:


 


 


 


Exactly this. 





This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't. 


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example. 




 


And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it. 



 



That's not the point I was making. 


 


Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?


 


The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public. 



 


 


 


 


 


 



You can't make sweeping statements like that. I was absolutely thrilled that "Moonbeam Levels" was chosen as the first track to be released from the vault. There is no song, circulating or not, that I would have rather have been included.

I want all of the songs that have been circulated to get official releases. It's not anyone's fault but our own that we may have heard these songs before, and they are worthy of official release.
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Reply #375 posted 05/14/18 2:50am

JorisE73

Moonbeam said:

Militant said:


That's not the point I was making.

Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?

The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public.


You can't make sweeping statements like that. I was absolutely thrilled that "Moonbeam Levels" was chosen as the first track to be released from the vault. There is no song, circulating or not, that I would have rather have been included. I want all of the songs that have been circulated to get official releases. It's not anyone's fault but our own that we may have heard these songs before, and they are worthy of official release.


Considering the topic of the song and that fact that Prince said in the NPGMC days in a intervieuw there that Moonbeam Levels was his favorit outtake, I think it was the perfect song for that release.

[Edited 5/14/18 2:51am]

Reply #376 posted 05/14/18 6:46am

Moonbeam

JorisE73 said:

Moonbeam said:

Militant said: You can't make sweeping statements like that. I was absolutely thrilled that "Moonbeam Levels" was chosen as the first track to be released from the vault. There is no song, circulating or not, that I would have rather have been included. I want all of the songs that have been circulated to get official releases. It's not anyone's fault but our own that we may have heard these songs before, and they are worthy of official release.


Considering the topic of the song and that fact that Prince said in the NPGMC days in a intervieuw there that Moonbeam Levels was his favorit outtake, I think it was the perfect song for that release.

[Edited 5/14/18 2:51am]

Yes, 4Ever was a greatest hits compilation. "Moonbeam Levels" has as good of a right as any outtake to be considered his greatest unreleased hit.

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Reply #377 posted 05/14/18 9:12am

Militant

moderator

Again, not the point I was making.


If you look back at the threads at the time, the reaction was pretty middling, because it's an outtake we've all had for 20+ years.

Compare that to the Prince vocal version of "NC2U", or the Vault disc of PR Deluxe, and the reaction is night and day.

The fan reaction to an unheard song is better than the fan reaction to a heard song. That's just obvious.

The better solution would have been to have one unreleased song per disc, with the other one being something completely unknown to us.

Instead, the mediocre sales of 4Ever speak for themself. Business wise, it was a poor move for that to be the only unreleased song on there. Even more so when it became clear that the quality was virtually identical to the circulating bootleg.

To put it another way, look at the insane amount of hype there was over "Wally" before it was widely leaked, and then imagine the reaction here if it had been announced that that was what was being included on 4Ever.







Reply #378 posted 05/14/18 12:03pm

Moonbeam

Maybe I am being pedantic, but it's an oversimplification to suggest that fans would have been more excited one way or another. My own excitement level was in opposition to your point. I would have chosen "Moonbeam Levels" ahead of any song to be on 4Ever, even ahead of a song I hadn't heard before. I want all of the goodies we have loved for years to get official releases, even if it means we don't get some uncorculating songs as quickly. A song like "Neon Telephone", for example, absolutely deserves to see the light of day and I will jump for joy if and when it finally does.

I appreciate what you do for the Prince fan community. Given that you have had conversations with people involved with the estate and may do so in the future (and I absolutely hope you do!), I want to make my point known, because it isn't as simple as saying "the fans want X, Y, or Z". The poll that was run here after Sharon's Q and A with the org in which she asked for fan suggestions showed that fans on this site have differing views on what they would like to be done. My opinion on these matters may be a minority one, and I can accept that in the event that there is some sort of fan engagement by the estate in which we register our opinions of what projects/songs we want, my wishes may not be granted in some cases. However, I don't want those involved with the estate to get the impression that no fans were happy with the inclusion of "Moonbeam Levels" on 4Ever or "The Dance Electric" on PR Deluxe, etc., because I certainly was.

I'll drop the subject at this point because I don't want to further derail this thread, but you are in a position (rightly so) to potentially serve as a fan representative of sorts, and I think the distinction in the wording of these things relating to fan response is important.
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Reply #379 posted 05/14/18 3:58pm

eyewishuheaven

Moonbeam said:

Maybe I am being pedantic, but it's an oversimplification to suggest that fans would have been more excited one way or another. My own excitement level was in opposition to your point. I would have chosen "Moonbeam Levels" ahead of any song to be on 4Ever, even ahead of a song I hadn't heard before. I want all of the goodies we have loved for years to get official releases, even if it means we don't get some uncorculating songs as quickly. A song like "Neon Telephone", for example, absolutely deserves to see the light of day and I will jump for joy if and when it finally does. I appreciate what you do for the Prince fan community. Given that you have had conversations with people involved with the estate and may do so in the future (and I absolutely hope you do!), I want to make my point known, because it isn't as simple as saying "the fans want X, Y, or Z". The poll that was run here after Sharon's Q and A with the org in which she asked for fan suggestions showed that fans on this site have differing views on what they would like to be done. My opinion on these matters may be a minority one, and I can accept that in the event that there is some sort of fan engagement by the estate in which we register our opinions of what projects/songs we want, my wishes may not be granted in some cases. However, I don't want those involved with the estate to get the impression that no fans were happy with the inclusion of "Moonbeam Levels" on 4Ever or "The Dance Electric" on PR Deluxe, etc., because I certainly was. I'll drop the subject at this point because I don't want to further derail this thread, but you are in a position (rightly so) to potentially serve as a fan representative of sorts, and I think the distinction in the wording of these things relating to fan response is important.



I gotta throw my support behind Moonbeam, here. I think there's a great portion of fans (myself certainly included) who've been patiently waiting to buy the stuff that you guys have been enjoying for years. I'm not anti-boot, but instead of scouring record fairs and the net I just always hoped the day would come when I could buy this stuff in a nice package in perfect sound. Now that that day has come, yeah... I wanna do that. cool

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Reply #380 posted 05/15/18 2:39am

BartVanHemelen

So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?

.

Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative.

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Reply #381 posted 05/15/18 3:25am

love2thenines2003

BartVanHemelen said:

So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?

.

Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative.

...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!

Reply #382 posted 05/15/18 5:37am

IstenSzek

love2thenines2003 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?

.

Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative.

...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!



if they are now all of a sudden only releasing a P&M show and NOT an album of 80s material,
they are major assholes.

because however vague the original statements about what was coming on september 28, it
in no way seemed like it would be a P&M show from 2016, to anyone, anywhere.

to me it seems unlikely that they would have changed that plan a mere 2 weeks after they'd
sort of announced it.

the only cool thing would be a PLUS/PLUS situation where the september 28 release is still on
the schedule for release and the P&M show + bonus material will be a surprise release that
they announce on the 1st of june and release on the 7th or close to it.

anything less at this point will be the second time they tell us they will release an album of
80s material (remember there would be TWO albums of unreleased tracks with the PR delux,
until, oops, there was only 1 and no one ever mentioned the other one anymore) and that
will be the let down of the decade.

neutral


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Reply #383 posted 05/15/18 5:39am

fabriziovenerandi

love2thenines2003 said:

...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!

Source?

Reply #384 posted 05/15/18 6:22am

MIRvmn

IstenSzek said:

 



love2thenines2003 said:


 



BartVanHemelen said:


So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?


.


Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative. 



 


...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!





if they are now all of a sudden only releasing a P&M show and NOT an album of 80s material,
they are major assholes. 

because however vague the original statements about what was coming on september 28, it
in no way seemed like it would be a P&M show from 2016, to anyone, anywhere. 

to me it seems unlikely that they would have changed that plan a mere 2 weeks after they'd
sort of announced it. 

the only cool thing would be a PLUS/PLUS situation where the september 28 release is still on
the schedule for release and the P&M show + bonus material will be a surprise release that
they announce on the 1st of june and release on the 7th or close to it.

anything less at this point will be the second time they tell us they will release an album of 
80s material (remember there would be TWO albums of unreleased tracks with the PR delux,
until, oops, there was only 1 and no one ever mentioned the other one anymore) and that 
will be the let down of the decade.

neutral



Yes if they change their mind one more time and we won't get that album with unreleased material then I won't trust them ever again and might not pay for future releases until they learn to keep their promises. I'm already disappointed with the cancelled 1999 deluxe. Anyway I do think we will get 2 albums this year with P&M and the promised album, just a feeling I have
[Edited 5/15/18 6:23am]
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Reply #385 posted 05/15/18 6:30am

2freaky4church1

I'd suspect Do Yourself A Favor is on it as is The Grand Progression. Maybe Cosmic Day. Hoping.

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Reply #386 posted 05/15/18 9:40am

Moonbeam

MIRvmn said:

IstenSzek said:



if they are now all of a sudden only releasing a P&M show and NOT an album of 80s material,
they are major assholes.

because however vague the original statements about what was coming on september 28, it
in no way seemed like it would be a P&M show from 2016, to anyone, anywhere.

to me it seems unlikely that they would have changed that plan a mere 2 weeks after they'd
sort of announced it.

the only cool thing would be a PLUS/PLUS situation where the september 28 release is still on
the schedule for release and the P&M show + bonus material will be a surprise release that
they announce on the 1st of june and release on the 7th or close to it.

anything less at this point will be the second time they tell us they will release an album of
80s material (remember there would be TWO albums of unreleased tracks with the PR delux,
until, oops, there was only 1 and no one ever mentioned the other one anymore) and that
will be the let down of the decade.

neutral


Yes if they change their mind one more time and we won't get that album with unreleased material then I won't trust them ever again and might not pay for future releases until they learn to keep their promises. I'm already disappointed with the cancelled 1999 deluxe. Anyway I do think we will get 2 albums this year with P&M and the promised album, just a feeling I have [Edited 5/15/18 6:23am]

I imagine a deluxe verison of 1999 (and some other albums from his classic period) will come eventually. It's my favorite album of all time so I want it badly as well, but I'd almost rather wait on it while things get sorted if it means the final product will be better.

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Reply #387 posted 05/15/18 9:41am

player

eyewishuheaven said:

Moonbeam said:

Maybe I am being pedantic, but it's an oversimplification to suggest that fans would have been more excited one way or another. My own excitement level was in opposition to your point. I would have chosen "Moonbeam Levels" ahead of any song to be on 4Ever, even ahead of a song I hadn't heard before. I want all of the goodies we have loved for years to get official releases, even if it means we don't get some uncorculating songs as quickly. A song like "Neon Telephone", for example, absolutely deserves to see the light of day and I will jump for joy if and when it finally does. I appreciate what you do for the Prince fan community. Given that you have had conversations with people involved with the estate and may do so in the future (and I absolutely hope you do!), I want to make my point known, because it isn't as simple as saying "the fans want X, Y, or Z". The poll that was run here after Sharon's Q and A with the org in which she asked for fan suggestions showed that fans on this site have differing views on what they would like to be done. My opinion on these matters may be a minority one, and I can accept that in the event that there is some sort of fan engagement by the estate in which we register our opinions of what projects/songs we want, my wishes may not be granted in some cases. However, I don't want those involved with the estate to get the impression that no fans were happy with the inclusion of "Moonbeam Levels" on 4Ever or "The Dance Electric" on PR Deluxe, etc., because I certainly was. I'll drop the subject at this point because I don't want to further derail this thread, but you are in a position (rightly so) to potentially serve as a fan representative of sorts, and I think the distinction in the wording of these things relating to fan response is important.



I gotta throw my support behind Moonbeam, here. I think there's a great portion of fans (myself certainly included) who've been patiently waiting to buy the stuff that you guys have been enjoying for years. I'm not anti-boot, but instead of scouring record fairs and the net I just always hoped the day would come when I could buy this stuff in a nice package in perfect sound. Now that that day has come, yeah... I wanna do that. cool

Hear hear. I get awfully worried that the Estate may listen to this view that a track is not worthy of release because we've heard it already. Simply put, we shouldn't have heard it already. What we've heard is just that, an unreleased track we've hunted down knowing full well we kind of shouldn't have. This would be like the Guns n' Roses fans crying over the upcoming reissue because some of that material's been bootlegged. Like most of you, I'd heard Moonbeam Levels years ago but I was still chuffed to see it make an official release for the reasons mentioned above. I don't collect bootlegs, I collect official items. I can only hope the Estate knows we just want quality tracks, whether they've been heard or not!

Reply #388 posted 05/15/18 10:13am

jjam

I'd certainly welcome a version of Moonbeam Levels that's a mixdown master (I assume this or a multitrack of the track has been located within the vault).

Wally would have been a poor choice for Prince 4Ever. Considering how it was built up to be this amazing composition by certain people, I'm sure I'm not the only one who was somewhat disappointed by hearing it eventually.

Reply #389 posted 05/15/18 11:04am

Strive

The estate should limit how much they listen to the fanbase solely because we don't have the full picture. They've heard everything and we haven't. Put some faith in them picking the good material. There's going to be overlap between what's available on boots and what they select but that doesn't mean there can't be any hidden gems that will surprise us.

Alot of people poo-poo Purple Rain Deluxe for including Velvet Kitty Cat and an earlier version of The Dance Electric while missing some obvious choices but how many people would have suggested We Can Fuck 83 or the studio version of Electric Intercourse (hell how many people even knew a studio version of EI existed before the single launched?)

Take the good with the bad and accept that the estate isn't going to dump the entire vault for a c-note.
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Reply #390 posted 05/15/18 1:10pm

jjam

Yeah but Velvet Kitty Cat is even worse than Purple And Gold. It really is that shit.

Reply #391 posted 05/15/18 2:07pm

BartVanHemelen

I've finally seen the Facebook post that's the source of the "WBR will do a Piano + Microphone concert recording release": https://www.facebook.com/...1462400828 .

.

Uhm... Seriously? That's the "evidence"?

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Reply #392 posted 05/15/18 7:41pm

udo

Strive said:

The estate should limit how much they listen to the fanbase solely because we don't have the full picture.

.

The general public does not hear hits from Prince anymore so he will fade from public memory.

What remians (for a bit longer) are the fans.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #393 posted 05/15/18 9:04pm

Strive

udo said:

 



Strive said:


The estate should limit how much they listen to the fanbase solely because we don't have the full picture.

.


The general public does not hear hits from Prince anymore so he will fade from public memory.


What remians (for a bit longer) are the fans.



Honestly, this is such a shortsighted and sad belief. His fanbase has been expanding since his death, his influence will only grow as his music spreads through the culture (a thing Prince blocked while he was alive) and there's probably going to be new generations grooving to new material from the vault long after most us here are dead & gone.

Legacy building is a slow & steady act. Every estate release should grow the myth. Every reissue should be a second chance for that piece of work.

And let's be honest, if the estate released an official version of Work It or City Lights or a boxset of all the post-WB albums for $250+ tomorrow, the same current hardcore base that claims they're the only people left to buy Prince's work would scoff at the idea of spending so much on something they already have. It'd be lucky to move 5,000 copies.
[Edited 5/15/18 22:18pm]
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Reply #394 posted 05/15/18 11:15pm

udo

Strive said:

udo said:

.

The general public does not hear hits from Prince anymore so he will fade from public memory.

What remians (for a bit longer) are the fans.

Honestly, this is such a shortsighted and sad belief. His fanbase has been expanding since his death,

.

How would that work?

No more touring. Just archives to lean on.

No promotion, still the slow on-per-year-ish release pace, unkept promises, unclear communication (if at all).

I see no reason for your growth but that does not mean it is not true if it in fact is true.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #395 posted 05/15/18 11:49pm

love2thenines2003

BartVanHemelen said:

I've finally seen the Facebook post that's the source of the "WBR will do a Piano + Microphone concert recording release": https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10155617418930829&id=41462400828 .


.


Uhm... Seriously? That's the "evidence"?




A reporter in music industry confirm this to one of my contact that i know to be a trusful source...details on 1st of june by WBR...the release is about a Piano&Microphone performance...it seens that the unreleased studio material has been abandoned ..as 1999 Deluxe few weeks ago UNFORTUNATELY!
Reply #396 posted 05/16/18 12:16am

jaypotton

love2thenines2003 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

I've finally seen the Facebook post that's the source of the "WBR will do a Piano + Microphone concert recording release": https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10155617418930829&id=41462400828 .


.


Uhm... Seriously? That's the "evidence"?




A reporter in music industry confirm this to one of my contact that i know to be a trusful source...details on 1st of june by WBR...the release is about a Piano&Microphone performance...it seens that the unreleased studio material has been abandoned ..as 1999 Deluxe few weeks ago UNFORTUNATELY!


Talk about mixed emotions. I totally want Piano & Microphone. It represents the last creative expression of Prince and the bookend to his career. So absolutely totally want it.

However, I really liked and was excited by the idea that WB would be releasing another collection of 80s vault music (though TBF they never actually said that, it was just implied from the interview with Troy) as well as an album of "new/newer" material via Tidal next year. Seemed like best of both worlds.
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Reply #397 posted 05/16/18 12:46am

Strive

udo said:

Strive said:

udo said: Honestly, this is such a shortsighted and sad belief. His fanbase has been expanding since his death,

.

How would that work?

No more touring. Just archives to lean on.

No promotion, still the slow on-per-year-ish release pace, unkept promises, unclear communication (if at all).

I see no reason for your growth but that does not mean it is not true if it in fact is true.


Record sales exploded after his death. Numerous large scale tributes. Prince related groups back on the road. Being covered by other artists and featured on that music competition.

Licensing his music out to TV and movies is going to be the biggest weapon the Estate has in the future. There's no Prince standing in the way to block a filmmaker from using one of his older songs like he did with The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and Kevin Smith. The more places his music pops up, the more the public will take notice. He'll become intertwined with pop culture.

The estate is still fighting with each other in court and we're already getting 2 posthumous albums from 2 different Prince eras by the end of 2019 with things like First Ave 83 being shopped around. That's about as good as you can expect, even if they were operating at 100%, since they aren't going to flood the market with material. Dagger Records, which was operated by Experience Hendrix and had the sole mission of releasing offical bootlegs, only released 1 new title a year.

April 2016, Prince passes. June 2017, Purple Rain Deluxe. September 2018, [untitled WB album]. 2019, [untitlted Tidal album]. That's pretty solid.

Hopefully things can ramp up and expand once all the legal issues are settled. The post Warner albums need to be brought back into print ASAP. And the market should be able to support 1 new album, 1 live album and 1 "Deluxe" edition a year, eventually. Although the definition of Deluxe album probably needs to change. They can't keep including From The Vault discs if they're going to continue doing "new" albums.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #398 posted 05/16/18 7:13am

TheFman

I couldn't care for any Piano + Microphone concert, I want Studio Material!! New old songs!!!

Reply #399 posted 05/16/18 8:10am

kewlschool

I'm down for any new release.

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
Reply #400 posted 05/16/18 8:22am

AhPook

Militant said:

AhPook said:

And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it.


That's not the point I was making.

Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?

The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public.


For most of the public, "Moonbeam Levels" was a completely unheard song. Complaining that you already have something on a bootleg is like complaining that the car you stole only has a quarter tank of gas.

Reply #401 posted 05/16/18 8:50am

Militant

moderator

AhPook said:

Militant said:


That's not the point I was making.

Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?

The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public.


For most of the public, "Moonbeam Levels" was a completely unheard song. Complaining that you already have something on a bootleg is like complaining that the car you stole only has a quarter tank of gas.






And you're still missing the point.

The public anticipation for a release comes from the fanbase. If the hardcore fanbase is enthusiastic about a release, the enthusiasm spreads to everyone else. That is how it works. I cannot tell you how many people got in touch with me about 4Ever and Purple Rain Deluxe. Or how many people clicked over here to see what people were saying about the releases.

And the response, from this fanbase, was middling, because it is a song that everyone has had for years. Whether you agree with that reaction or not is besides the point - that is simply the fact of what happened.

The only way around this would have been to spend money on marketing the song as a single, to get radio play, maybe make a video for it as they have done for NC2U. They didn't do that, so it is what it is.







Reply #402 posted 05/16/18 10:37am

luvsexy4all

have the estate
GIVE ALL the fans and orgers T-SHIRTS with CD/DVD rlease pics...what betta way to promote?

Reply #403 posted 05/16/18 12:44pm

Strive

Eh, it isn't like uncirculating songs are immune from getting a middling response here. How many gems popped out from the elite vs Eye Records fight and how many of them recieved a big response once the initial excitement of 'new leaks' died down? Not many.

Moonbeam Levels had clips of it played on TV around the time of release. Wally may have been a more exciting choice for the hardcore fanbase but the casual/potential fan would've been ???



Wally's genius but you need to know the story behind it and live with the song a bit to truly appreciate it.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #404 posted 05/16/18 1:17pm

Silvertongue7

For what it’s worth I think the estate will have to find the right balance. Of course the ‘classic’ outtakes shoukd get an official release. From All My Dreams to Eye Wonder, these fantastic songs that we’ve known for years are still officially unreleased and that needs to change. But if that’s all we get it will be very frustrating and after a while I can’t see myself caring enough to buy the official releases. After all until two years ago I was supporting Prince by buying his music. Now I’d be supporting the faceless estate and his siblings, some of whom had very little to do with Prince while he was still alive.
With all its flaws (and they’ve been discussed quite extensively), I think the Purple Rain remaster got it about right when it comes to unreleased material - some great songs that we already knew and a few that I wasn’t familiar with which I absolutely love (We Can Fuck, Father’s Song, Love and Sex, Possessed and Electric Intercourse are all amazing!)
Someone's in my body, someone's in my body...
Reply #405 posted 05/17/18 12:43am

BartVanHemelen

Militant said:

And the response, from this fanbase, was middling, because it is a song that everyone has had for years. Whether you agree with that reaction or not is besides the point - that is simply the fact of what happened.

The only way around this would have been to spend money on marketing the song as a single, to get radio play, maybe make a video for it as they have done for NC2U. They didn't do that, so it is what it is.

.

It would also have helped if the sound quality had been amazing. And that it wasn't a blatant effort at getting fans to buy a disappointing collection.

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Reply #406 posted 05/17/18 12:45am

BartVanHemelen

Strive said:

Eh, it isn't like uncirculating songs are immune from getting a middling response here. How many gems popped out from the elite vs Eye Records fight and how many of them recieved a big response once the initial excitement of 'new leaks' died down? Not many.

.

That's because those are often unstructured leaks, and the initial reaction is "where can I find this". Plus there's also the "leakers vs bootleggers" story that gets mixed in there.

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Reply #407 posted 05/17/18 7:23am

Vannormal

Strive said:


Hopefully things can ramp up and expand once all the legal issues are settled. The post Warner albums need to be brought back into print ASAP. And the market should be able to support 1 new album, 1 live album and 1 "Deluxe" edition a year, eventually. Although the definition of Deluxe album probably needs to change. They can't keep including From The Vault discs if they're going to continue doing "new" albums.

Yeah right. Dream on.

This will never happen imho.

-

Prince's fanbase is over 40/50 years old, and no, it isn't growing.

It might be that there's some more interests just up until now, but years go by fast, and Prince finally will be forgotten by most.

I'm affraid that we are the walking wallets for the estate and WB, if they dicide to release something from the eighties or his much beloved vault.

-

I considder it a wise (music industry) decision from a money-making-machine's point of view, to release the live music of the Piano & Microphone tour. It's much more obvious, and albeit a good decision.

-

An expanded '1999' album release would not make it I'm afraid, although it's that what I want.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #408 posted 05/17/18 9:57am

FullLipsDotNose

Vannormal said:

Strive said:


Hopefully things can ramp up and expand once all the legal issues are settled. The post Warner albums need to be brought back into print ASAP. And the market should be able to support 1 new album, 1 live album and 1 "Deluxe" edition a year, eventually. Although the definition of Deluxe album probably needs to change. They can't keep including From The Vault discs if they're going to continue doing "new" albums.

Yeah right. Dream on.

This will never happen imho.

-

Prince's fanbase is over 40/50 years old, and no, it isn't growing.

It might be that there's some more interests just up until now, but years go by fast, and Prince finally will be forgotten by most.

I'm affraid that we are the walking wallets for the estate and WB, if they dicide to release something from the eighties or his much beloved vault.

-

I considder it a wise (music industry) decision from a money-making-machine's point of view, to release the live music of the Piano & Microphone tour. It's much more obvious, and albeit a good decision.

-

An expanded '1999' album release would not make it I'm afraid, although it's that what I want.

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.

full lips, freckles, and upturned nose
Reply #409 posted 05/17/18 6:31pm

bonatoc

FullLipsDotNose said:

Vannormal said:

Yeah right. Dream on.

This will never happen imho.

-

Prince's fanbase is over 40/50 years old, and no, it isn't growing.

It might be that there's some more interests just up until now, but years go by fast, and Prince finally will be forgotten by most.

I'm affraid that we are the walking wallets for the estate and WB, if they dicide to release something from the eighties or his much beloved vault.

-

I considder it a wise (music industry) decision from a money-making-machine's point of view, to release the live music of the Piano & Microphone tour. It's much more obvious, and albeit a good decision.

-

An expanded '1999' album release would not make it I'm afraid, although it's that what I want.

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.


Right on.

Van, how do you explain then 3 million and half views for NC2U? We're not that many hardcore fans.

How do you explain Bob Marley, The Beatles, Nirvana all made the Billboard albums last year?
Elvis? Still sells. Led Zep? Still sells. Fleetwood Mac? Abba?

When an artist produces quality, it lasts. Pop music ain't gonna morph into serial dodecaphonic music any day soon.
And the current state of pop is bound to die, you can't repeat yourself for more than thirty decades.
The pattern will still be intro-verse-chorus-verse-bridge-solo-chorus ad lib.
Or a combination of the above. But the fundamentals are there.

Trust us, the young generation knows better.
While autotune may still seduce nine-year-olds,
by thirteen you discover stuff. And since the eighties revival seems to last forever,
since vinyl is back for good, there's no reason to think the champion of them all
is not going to appeal to veryone.

It's not one Prince you have to sell to the public.
It's many, and we're pretty sharp. Prince could have done Purple Rain ad æternam and amass a fortune, bigger than Abba's and Queen combined. He just remembered he's from Uptown.

Fuck NYC, fuck LA, fuck their coke and poses,
I'm staying at home. Sure, it's a huge bet to build a state-of-the-art recording and rehearsing complex,
but hey, it's my money.

The problem with Prince's work, it's that it's just so fucking vast, not only in terms of quantity, but also spread. There a re very few genres he didn't get his hands own and did something interesting, if not mind-boggling.

So how do you get a newbie to grasp how much Prince has been able to bring to the genre? It's no wonder they try to use Purple Rain as the entrance, and rightfully so. By now we're all accustomed to Purple Rain, but this album changed my life forever, and a lot of other lives, as far as I am on the Org.

I don't expect everybody to react as strongly, but you can't ignore it. It's too bold a musical statement, it rips apart your will, it's a fusion of so many genres, and yet it's almost like there's no influence at all, Prince steals everything pop has digested so far and shows it still can be exciting, wild, sexual, romantic, bluesy, spiritual, crazay and longing.

Prince is over-the-chart Pure Grain Vodka.
The public is used to Bud Light®.
Therein lies the problem.


[Edited 5/17/18 18:40pm]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #410 posted 05/18/18 2:29am

BartVanHemelen

bonatoc said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.


Right on.

Van, how do you explain then 3 million and half views for NC2U?

.

Since when is watching a FREE video the same as BUYING an album?

.

How do you explain Bob Marley, The Beatles, Nirvana all made the Billboard albums last year?
Elvis? Still sells. Led Zep? Still sells. Fleetwood Mac? Abba?

.

You're naming artists who've always sold well. Often far more than Prince when he was alive. Marley's greatest hits is usually the best selling reggae album each year, often by a wide margin. Also note that there is plenty of effort going into archival releases for these artists. For Nirvana they even remixed an album because the well of unreleased music has long dried up.

.

Several of those are also artists who help sell magazines. Mojo has at least one Beatles / Zep / etc. cover per year because those are instant sellers. But when mags put Prince on their cover? A big fat nope. (And please, no BS about the "well what about all the mags after his death BS. Completely different circumstances.)

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Reply #411 posted 05/18/18 2:29am

BartVanHemelen

FullLipsDotNose said:

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.

.

Anecdotes aren't data.

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Reply #412 posted 05/18/18 7:27am

ChocolateBox3121

BartVanHemelen said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.

.

Anecdotes aren't data.

I never understood how U was EVER a fan of Prince. disbelief

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #413 posted 05/18/18 8:14am

udo

ChocolateBox3121 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Anecdotes aren't data.

I never understood how U was EVER a fan of Prince. disbelief

.

So you are reflecting about the shape of things but not about the contents.

Why did you deviate? You cannot admit truth?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #414 posted 05/18/18 9:15am

feeluupp

Wax Poetics won't agree with you...

BartVanHemelen said:

bonatoc said:

.

Since when is watching a FREE video the same as BUYING an album?

.

How do you explain Bob Marley, The Beatles, Nirvana all made the Billboard albums last year?
Elvis? Still sells. Led Zep? Still sells. Fleetwood Mac? Abba?

.

You're naming artists who've always sold well. Often far more than Prince when he was alive. Marley's greatest hits is usually the best selling reggae album each year, often by a wide margin. Also note that there is plenty of effort going into archival releases for these artists. For Nirvana they even remixed an album because the well of unreleased music has long dried up.

.

Several of those are also artists who help sell magazines. Mojo has at least one Beatles / Zep / etc. cover per year because those are instant sellers. But when mags put Prince on their cover? A big fat nope. (And please, no BS about the "well what about all the mags after his death BS. Completely different circumstances.)

Reply #415 posted 05/18/18 10:26am

FullLipsDotNose

BartVanHemelen said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.

.

Anecdotes aren't data.

If you say that Prince's fans are over 40 and there are none coming and someone younger than 40 or a new fan comes to you, they don't need statistics - they are a sufficient contradiction to your statements.

full lips, freckles, and upturned nose
Reply #416 posted 05/18/18 10:37am

ChocolateBox3121

udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I never understood how U was EVER a fan of Prince. disbelief

.

So you are reflecting about the shape of things but not about the contents.

Why did you deviate? You cannot admit truth?

rolleyes

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #417 posted 05/18/18 10:59am

Militant

moderator

BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

And the response, from this fanbase, was middling, because it is a song that everyone has had for years. Whether you agree with that reaction or not is besides the point - that is simply the fact of what happened.

The only way around this would have been to spend money on marketing the song as a single, to get radio play, maybe make a video for it as they have done for NC2U. They didn't do that, so it is what it is.

.

It would also have helped if the sound quality had been amazing. And that it wasn't a blatant effort at getting fans to buy a disappointing collection.




Agreed. Unfortunately the collection was both too early and too late. Too early because they rushed it out without the care to do an amazing job. Too late cuz the public already streamed everything they wanted to in the months leading up to it.


Ah well. I still bought it, and tried to be optimistic at the time. But more effort should have been put in.




Reply #418 posted 05/18/18 11:38am

luvsexy4all

bonatoc said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.


Right on.

Van, how do you explain then 3 million and half views for NC2U? We're not that many hardcore fans.

How do you explain Bob Marley, The Beatles, Nirvana all made the Billboard albums last year?
Elvis? Still sells. Led Zep? Still sells. Fleetwood Mac? Abba?

When an artist produces quality, it lasts. Pop music ain't gonna morph into serial dodecaphonic music any day soon.
And the current state of pop is bound to die, you can't repeat yourself for more than thirty decades.
The pattern will still be intro-verse-chorus-verse-bridge-solo-chorus ad lib.
Or a combination of the above. But the fundamentals are there.

Trust us, the young generation knows better.
While autotune may still seduce nine-year-olds,
by thirteen you discover stuff. And since the eighties revival seems to last forever,
since vinyl is back for good, there's no reason to think the champion of them all
is not going to appeal to veryone.

It's not one Prince you have to sell to the public.
It's many, and we're pretty sharp. Prince could have done Purple Rain ad æternam and amass a fortune, bigger than Abba's and Queen combined. He just remembered he's from Uptown.

Fuck NYC, fuck LA, fuck their coke and poses,
I'm staying at home. Sure, it's a huge bet to build a state-of-the-art recording and rehearsing complex,
but hey, it's my money.

The problem with Prince's work, it's that it's just so fucking vast, not only in terms of quantity, but also spread. There a re very few genres he didn't get his hands own and did something interesting, if not mind-boggling.

So how do you get a newbie to grasp how much Prince has been able to bring to the genre? It's no wonder they try to use Purple Rain as the entrance, and rightfully so. By now we're all accustomed to Purple Rain, but this album changed my life forever, and a lot of other lives, as far as I am on the Org.

I don't expect everybody to react as strongly, but you can't ignore it. It's too bold a musical statement, it rips apart your will, it's a fusion of so many genres, and yet it's almost like there's no influence at all, Prince steals everything pop has digested so far and shows it still can be exciting, wild, sexual, romantic, bluesy, spiritual, crazay and longing.

Prince is over-the-chart Pure Grain Vodka.
The public is used to Bud Light®.
Therein lies the problem.


[Edited 5/17/18 18:40pm]

but..those artists mentioned who STILL sell...thats ESTABLISHED music..not unreleased stuff no one trusts YET to be up to par

Reply #419 posted 05/18/18 1:07pm

Vannormal

FullLipsDotNose said:

Vannormal said:

Yeah right. Dream on.

This will never happen imho.

-

Prince's fanbase is over 40/50 years old, and no, it isn't growing.

It might be that there's some more interests just up until now, but years go by fast, and Prince finally will be forgotten by most.

I'm affraid that we are the walking wallets for the estate and WB, if they dicide to release something from the eighties or his much beloved vault.

-

I considder it a wise (music industry) decision from a money-making-machine's point of view, to release the live music of the Piano & Microphone tour. It's much more obvious, and albeit a good decision.

-

An expanded '1999' album release would not make it I'm afraid, although it's that what I want.

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.

There wil always be youngsters like yourself who will discover Prince (after his death). I fully agree.

But that doesn't indicates that his fanbase will grow. Let's see if I'm wrong in two years from now ?

And I have no problem with admitting that I should or could be wrong. smile (I absolutely don't)

-

By the way, WELCOME to the most incredible Purple Musical labirynth and one of the hardest working performers, ever ! biggrin Enjoy it.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #420 posted 05/18/18 1:18pm

Missmusicluver72

Looking forward to some new music of course. I have been a fan since the early 80's but I find myself everyday discovering something I have never heard. Always an adventure in the world of Prince! biggrin

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
RIP Sweet Prince
Reply #421 posted 05/18/18 2:43pm

eyewishuheaven

FullLipsDotNose said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Anecdotes aren't data.

If you say that Prince's fans are over 40 and there are none coming and someone younger than 40 or a new fan comes to you, they don't need statistics - they are a sufficient contradiction to your statements.


Seriously... you ARE data in that equation!

Welcome aboard. cool

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #422 posted 05/18/18 7:15pm

EddieC

BartVanHemelen said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You're wrong. There are youngsters out there (myself included) who came to Prince after his death.

.

Anecdotes aren't data.

While that's true, it's irrelevant. No one's done the research, so no one's given the anecdotes the chance to become data. SO--until you (or someone else) does the research to establish the ages of all of Prince's fans--all us 40-somethings are just anecdotes too. I suspect Bart's right and that most people who would support releases would be older (in whatever way that would justify them financially)--but I don't know that that belief is true.

Reply #423 posted 05/19/18 3:25am

BartVanHemelen

feeluupp said:

Wax Poetics won't agree with you...

BartVanHemelen said:

.

One single dedicated issue of a low circulation mag vs. the experiences of several major magazines.

.

If Prince was a significant seller, magazines would feature him regularly. That didn't happen.

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Reply #424 posted 05/19/18 4:46am

udo

ChocolateBox3121 said:

udo said:

.

So you are reflecting about the shape of things but not about the contents.

Why did you deviate? You cannot admit truth?

rolleyes

.
Sure, you can roll your eyes all you like but I can say I am not a native speaker and speak more languages (to some degree) than most americans do.

It is about a distinction between the contents of the box and the box itself.

That is the comparison to the message and who is saying the message and in what way.

Most people have no or weak response and thus restort to complaining about the box (i.e.: the person and the way the tell the news versus the news itself).

That is a weak strategy which one can easily spot.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #425 posted 05/19/18 5:26am

GrayDorian

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

Wax Poetics won't agree with you...

.

One single dedicated issue of a low circulation mag vs. the experiences of several major magazines.

.

If Prince was a significant seller, magazines would feature him regularly. That didn't happen.

I'll probably regret this, but doesn't selling over 100 million albums worldwide (if that is correct) make Prince a pretty 'significant seller'?

I still hear his songs on the radio on an almost daily basis. Admittedly, I don't know a lot of diehard fans, but I do know a lot of people who enjoy his music.

Sure, he's not nearly as popular as Elvis, MJ or The Beatles, but for a quirky, eclectic, relatively non-mainstream artist I think Prince is still widely held in very high regard both as a musician and a songwriter.

If it is the case that his appeal has not yet passed to the younger generations, let's hope that those who are working on the vault material are successful in preserving the most important part of his legacy, his precious music, and releasing it in such a way that it spreads the good news to the young 'uns. I'm confident Prince's music will last the test of time; I suppose to some extent it already has.

In any case, even if you are correct and Prince is not 'a significant seller', I don't believe the breadth of Prince's popularity in any way reflects either the quality of his music or its artistic merit. Perhaps we would agree that Trent Reznor is hugely talented, but even 'The Downward Spiral' reputedly only sold about 5 million copies and Trent is hardly a household name (not that he would remotely care about that, I imagine).

I'm not sure whether a newly released album would need to shift huge numbers to make further releases viable. Presumably there must still be a hardcore of a few tens of thousands of diehard fans that will purchase whichever album they decide to release this year. If not, Prince's popularity must have waned far faster and more dramatically than I realize.

[Edited 5/19/18 5:27am]

Reply #426 posted 05/19/18 6:17am

mediumdry

While I tend to agree with Bart, generally, I find it a good sign that news outlets that do not report often on music and even less on Prince have had news items on both the coming WB release, as well as the Tidal release. It seems that the mystery of what could be in Prince's vault has caught the general public's interest. So there will be interest and possibly a good number of sales for the coming releases.

.

Of course, that does mean that the coming releases should be relatively commercial and cater to a wide range of tastes and they have to be marketed well and extensively. I have my doubts that all the different parties that all have their hands in part of Prince's legacy are ready and willing to work together to make that a reality.

.

Of course, there is a bittersweet advantage, Prince is no longer around to change his mind and torpedo any marketing campaign that is about to be launched.

Reply #427 posted 05/19/18 7:25am

ChocolateBox3121

GrayDorian said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

One single dedicated issue of a low circulation mag vs. the experiences of several major magazines.

.

If Prince was a significant seller, magazines would feature him regularly. That didn't happen.

I'll probably regret this, but doesn't selling over 100 million albums worldwide (if that is correct) make Prince a pretty 'significant seller'?

I still hear his songs on the radio on an almost daily basis. Admittedly, I don't know a lot of diehard fans, but I do know a lot of people who enjoy his music.

Sure, he's not nearly as popular as Elvis, MJ or The Beatles, but for a quirky, eclectic, relatively non-mainstream artist I think Prince is still widely held in very high regard both as a musician and a songwriter.

If it is the case that his appeal has not yet passed to the younger generations, let's hope that those who are working on the vault material are successful in preserving the most important part of his legacy, his precious music, and releasing it in such a way that it spreads the good news to the young 'uns. I'm confident Prince's music will last the test of time; I suppose to some extent it already has.

In any case, even if you are correct and Prince is not 'a significant seller', I don't believe the breadth of Prince's popularity in any way reflects either the quality of his music or its artistic merit. Perhaps we would agree that Trent Reznor is hugely talented, but even 'The Downward Spiral' reputedly only sold about 5 million copies and Trent is hardly a household name (not that he would remotely care about that, I imagine).

I'm not sure whether a newly released album would need to shift huge numbers to make further releases viable. Presumably there must still be a hardcore of a few tens of thousands of diehard fans that will purchase whichever album they decide to release this year. If not, Prince's popularity must have waned far faster and more dramatically than I realize.

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I know for a fact. That Prince wanted an album a year released after he transitioned. Which was the reason he NEVER stopped recording and put most of it back in The Vault. Including the unreleased video footage.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done RJP1205 rolleyes
Reply #428 posted 05/21/18 3:04am

bonatoc

EddieC said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Anecdotes aren't data.

While that's true, it's irrelevant. No one's done the research, so no one's given the anecdotes the chance to become data. SO--until you (or someone else) does the research to establish the ages of all of Prince's fans--all us 40-somethings are just anecdotes too. I suspect Bart's right and that most people who would support releases would be older (in whatever way that would justify them financially)--but I don't know that that belief is true.


Give up if you want to and all is lost,
Bart and The Cynics will be your boss.

I bought a whole lotta Led Zep records long after they no longer existed.
Same for The Beatles. I bought some Clash. Some Tim Buckley.
Ooh yeah, Dylan. Joni Mitchell. The Stooges. Creedence Clearwater Revival.
Love. Karen Dalton. The Doors. James Brown. Johnny Cash. Sly & The Family Stone. Stevie Wonder.

I could continue, but we'd be here till next september, see.
I was way fucking younger than they were, and that's the point.

Hey, some are still alive! Incredible!
And some still perform! Astounding!
I here some of their shows have audiences! Where is the world going to?

Get outta here...
I'll kick yo ass.

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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #429 posted 05/21/18 3:28am

bonatoc

[...]


Academic research

Effects of online access

In his Wired article, Chris Anderson cites earlier research by Erik Brynjolfsson, Yu (Jeffrey) Hu, and Michael D. Smith, who first used a log-linear curve on an XY graph to describe the relationship between Amazon.com sales and sales ranking.

They found that a large proportion of Amazon.com's book sales
come from obscure books that were not available in brick-and-mortar stores.

They then quantified the potential value of the long tail to consumers.
In an article published in 2003, these authors showed that, while most of the discussion about the value of the Internet to consumers has revolved around lower prices, consumer benefit (a.k.a. consumer surplus)
from access to increased product variety in online book stores is ten times larger than
their benefit from access to lower prices online.

Thus, the primary value of the internet to consumers comes from releasing new sources of value
by providing access to products in the long tail.[16]



The longer tail over time

A study by Erik Brynjolfsson, Yu (Jeffrey) Hu, and Michael D. Smith[17] finds that the long tail has grown longer over time, with niche books accounting for a larger share of total sales.

Their analyses suggested that by 2008, niche books accounted for 36.7% of Amazon's sales while the consumer surplus generated by niche books has increased at least fivefold from 2000 to 2008.

In addition, their new methodology finds that, while the widely used power laws are a good first approximation for the rank-sales relationship, the slope may not be constant for all book ranks, with the slope becoming progressively steeper for more obscure books.


[...]

The only reason we get a "fat head" instead of a "long tail" is the narcissism
and stupidity of the media companies and their court of buffoons. Poor, poor industry.

Stupidity beyond all levels, because the respectable proportion (around 20~25%, not to mention Prince's fantastic recent scores) of entries in the Billboard 200, coupled with the "long tail" based economic studies, clearly show there is more money to be made in giving the consumer Collect'em All® cultural games, than making him adore this week's Golden Calf.

We've really gone back to the fifties, before Elvis came along.
The sterile aural landscape of fake pops, signed by deafs.

Luckily, we're here. And the kids will take care of themselves.

Feels like a jungle sometimes, I'll give you that.



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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #430 posted 05/21/18 8:11am

BartVanHemelen

GrayDorian said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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One single dedicated issue of a low circulation mag vs. the experiences of several major magazines.

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If Prince was a significant seller, magazines would feature him regularly. That didn't happen.

I'll probably regret this, but doesn't selling over 100 million albums worldwide (if that is correct) make Prince a pretty 'significant seller'?

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Dido was massively popular when a UK magazine put her on their cover. That issue was one of their worst sellers, along with their issue with Prince on the cover.

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I still hear his songs on the radio on an almost daily basis.

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Anecdotes, not data. You listen to certain stations that play music you like, which includes Prince. You likely also overestimate the amount of plays he gets.

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In any case, even if you are correct and Prince is not 'a significant seller', I don't believe the breadth of Prince's popularity in any way reflects either the quality of his music or its artistic merit. Perhaps we would agree that Trent Reznor is hugely talented, but even 'The Downward Spiral' reputedly only sold about 5 million copies

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Back in 1992, when Prince signed his infamous $100 million contract, only three Prince albums had sold more than 5 million copies: https://musicfans.stackex...m/a/89/129 .

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Presumably there must still be a hardcore of a few tens of thousands of diehard fans that will purchase whichever album they decide to release this year. If not, Prince's popularity must have waned far faster and more dramatically than I realize.

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HNR2 sold merely a couple of thousand copies before his death.

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Reply #431 posted 05/21/18 8:22am

BartVanHemelen

mediumdry said:

While I tend to agree with Bart, generally, I find it a good sign that news outlets that do not report often on music and even less on Prince have had news items on both the coming WB release, as well as the Tidal release.

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Digital reporting costs next to nothing when all you need to do is slightly reword a press release.

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Also, you're likely a victim of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

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Of course, there is a bittersweet advantage, Prince is no longer around to change his mind and torpedo any marketing campaign that is about to be launched.

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True, but it does require that others become involved. A good example was the recent NC2U release, where they had several prominent news outlets with articles that featured interviews with Paul Peterson and Susan Rogers. Rogers also made the rounds for PRDeluxe (and IIRC I saw interviews with some Revolution members in Uncut or Mojo). Let's hope the next archival release comes with a significantly illustrated backstory, so that for instance there's at least a mention on the cover of a magazine like Mojo and a multi-page article inside. Hopefully there's a stack of rarely seen photos available, or video footage.

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Reply #432 posted 05/21/18 8:42am

BartVanHemelen

bonatoc said:

I bought a whole lotta Led Zep records long after they no longer existed.
Same for The Beatles. I bought some Clash. Some Tim Buckley.
Ooh yeah, Dylan. Joni Mitchell. The Stooges. Creedence Clearwater Revival.
Love. Karen Dalton. The Doors. James Brown. Johnny Cash. Sly & The Family Stone. Stevie Wonder.


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As did I. (There's even a theory that the current "death of rock" is in part caused by the continued presence and easy availability of the back catalogues of legendary artists. Why bother with a band like Kingdom Come when you can access the best of Led Zep with the click of a button?)

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Also note that for many of those artists there's only a limited discography. That's a whole different beast from "a new Prince album each year for decades to come".

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I also very much doubt the quality if there for such an enterprise.

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Last year there were to "Blast From The Past" boots released, each a 4CD set. They were preceded by leaks of many of its contents. Quite frankly, I cannot say I have properly digested all of that yet. Same with the recent leaks. In part because there's too much other stuff vying for my attention: not just other music (both old and new) but also books, television, movies... I don't even play games, but that is a major part of many people's free time.

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Reply #433 posted 05/21/18 10:28am

dustoff

You keep repeating this, as though it were some indication of Prince's popularity. But who cares how many copies of HNR2 were sold? Nobody bought "Cut the Crap" but that doesn't stop them from maintaining the Clash catalogue.

BartVanHemelen said:

HNR2 sold merely a couple of thousand copies before his death.

Reply #434 posted 05/22/18 5:25am

BartVanHemelen

dustoff said:

You keep repeating this, as though it were some indication of Prince's popularity. But who cares how many copies of HNR2 were sold? Nobody bought "Cut the Crap" but that doesn't stop them from maintaining the Clash catalogue.

BartVanHemelen said:

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You could try reading what I wrote IN CONTEXT. Hint: read the preceding line. Which this was an answer to.

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Reply #435 posted 05/22/18 6:25am

udo

dustoff said:

You keep repeating this, as though it were some indication of Prince's popularity. But who cares how many copies of HNR2 were sold? Nobody bought "Cut the Crap" but that doesn't stop them from maintaining the Clash catalogue.

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Is that a cash generating strategy?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

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