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Reply #30 posted 12/05/17 6:59pm

PennyPurple

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I do like Sheila, but her using Prince's symbol makes me uncomfortable. She didn't do that while he was alive, so why now? I know it may be her way of paying tribute to the man she loved and worked with, but she should be known for having her own trademark. There are a lot of people who aren't cool with her using Prince's symbol because it makes her look like she is trying to profit off of Prince's legacy, and I understand that. I don't get the butterfly with Prince's symbol. A butterly represents growth/rebirth, so what is she trying to say?

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I wonder if Sheila plans on writing her own book some day? She would have much to say!

Santana gave her the nickname 'butterfly'. She was engaged to Santana while Santana was married. She had an affair with him, and then claimed she didn't know he was married. Which is hard to believe because her of her family band..including her dad...played with Santana and they were good friends.

Looks like she wasn't marriage material for Santana either.....oh wait....that's because Santana was married already. lol

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Reply #31 posted 12/05/17 7:04pm

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It was nine months (I believe) not two years. In 2014, she posted about talking again to P after their spat in 2011. But according to her the last time they talked before he died was nine months.

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Reply #32 posted 12/05/17 7:20pm

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Sheila E. heart

She is a living legend.. on the SOTT & Lovesexy drums.. worship

Please stop the bad-mouthing, u are coming off as a stupid "p-fan".

Ok you can have your opinion even the bad one, but please don't share the intollerence here:

Sheila E is an amazing drummer, and I am sure a wonderful person as well, (however none of us really no her, in person).

But. Just stop it, yeah I no I am a little sensitive. wink lol cool cool cool

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Reply #33 posted 12/05/17 7:24pm

PennyPurple

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thedance said:

Sheila E. heart

She is a living legend.. on the SOTT & Lovesexy drums.. worship

Please stop the bad-mouthing, u are coming off as a stupid "p-fan".

Ok you can have your opinion even the bad one, but please don't share the intollerence here:

Sheila E is an amazing drummer, and I am sure a wonderful person as well, (however none of us really no her, in person).

But. Just stop it, yeah I no I am a little sensitive. wink lol cool cool cool

Well at least I said she was a helluva drummer. lol

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Reply #34 posted 12/06/17 2:28pm

cloveringold85

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PennyPurple said:

GaryMF said:

Except facts are facts. And you are incorrect. They did speak and performed together a lot in the years prior to his death.

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The fact that you are not aware of this, and the fact that you didn't even know about her book both show you really dont know what you are talking about.

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And if you think she wasn't special, you clearly know very little about Prince's history.

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I know about her book, it's been discussed here numerous times. Please point to my statement where I said I didn't know she had a book.


They didn't speak for at least 2 years prior to his death if the statements around here are true.


Sheila is one helluva drummer though.


I know, I know. She was so special, just ask all of his 'best friends' & lovers, they'll tell you exactly how special they were. We see it play out on social media all the time, lil snips of jealousy here and there. Each one thought they were the 1. lol


Sheila was so special she was wife material...oh wait, that's not true either, because he was married 2X, and neither time was to Sheila.


Didn't Sheila try to call P after the plane incident, and he wouldn't take her call? Hmmm

Anyway, I'm out. Sheila should def stop using his symbol, especially to promote herself and casinos, cruises, etc. Hopefully she has permission, if not hopefully they'll shut it down.

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I've only been back for 2-days and already this boolshyte is starting up! mad

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Sheila wrote a book about her life with Prince and how he died? Really? lol

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PP: I agree; I don't think Sheila should be using Prince's symbol on her tours/cruises. Tyka probably told her it was okay. lol

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #35 posted 12/06/17 2:30pm

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

I do like Sheila, but her using Prince's symbol makes me uncomfortable. She didn't do that while he was alive, so why now? I know it may be her way of paying tribute to the man she loved and worked with, but she should be known for having her own trademark. There are a lot of people who aren't cool with her using Prince's symbol because it makes her look like she is trying to profit off of Prince's legacy, and I understand that. I don't get the butterfly with Prince's symbol. A butterly represents growth/rebirth, so what is she trying to say?

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I wonder if Sheila plans on writing her own book some day? She would have much to say!

Santana gave her the nickname 'butterfly'. She was engaged to Santana while Santana was married. She had an affair with him, and then claimed she didn't know he was married. Which is hard to believe because her of her family band..including her dad...played with Santana and they were good friends.

Looks like she wasn't marriage material for Santana either.....oh wait....that's because Santana was married already. lol

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LOL lol

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Yeah, I knew she was invovled with Santana, but didn't know where the butterfly thing came from. Thanks! biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #36 posted 12/06/17 2:46pm

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Now that I see that Comerica WILL go after folks over-stepping their bounderies imma sit here on my makeshift stoop and see how this rolls.
“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
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Reply #37 posted 12/07/17 12:59pm

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PennyPurple said:

GaryMF said:

Except facts are facts. And you are incorrect. They did speak and performed together a lot in the years prior to his death.

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The fact that you are not aware of this, and the fact that you didn't even know about her book both show you really dont know what you are talking about.

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And if you think she wasn't special, you clearly know very little about Prince's history.

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I know about her book, it's been discussed here numerous times. Please point to my statement where I said I didn't know she had a book.


They didn't speak for at least 2 years prior to his death if the statements around here are true.


Sheila is one helluva drummer though.


I know, I know. She was so special, just ask all of his 'best friends' & lovers, they'll tell you exactly how special they were. We see it play out on social media all the time, lil snips of jealousy here and there. Each one thought they were the 1. lol


Sheila was so special she was wife material...oh wait, that's not true either, because he was married 2X, and neither time was to Sheila.


Didn't Sheila try to call P after the plane incident, and he wouldn't take her call? Hmmm

Anyway, I'm out. Sheila should def stop using his symbol, especially to promote herself and casinos, cruises, etc. Hopefully she has permission, if not hopefully they'll shut it down.

Andre could not get a call in either and she said she spoke to him nine months before he died. Her drums got in Paisley Park so kind of way.

Do you honestly think that he knew her from the time she was 19 and worked and lived with him and they meant nothing to each other. For years she refered musicians to his band.

They had their ups and downs and she has been pretty honest about and quiet frankly if you took the time to read her book you would know some of this. She even explained why they did not get married because it is kind of hard to marry someone who has dick in other women but I guess she is making that up as well.

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Reply #38 posted 12/07/17 5:33pm

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I know about her book, it's been discussed here numerous times. Please point to my statement where I said I didn't know she had a book.


They didn't speak for at least 2 years prior to his death if the statements around here are true.


Sheila is one helluva drummer though.


I know, I know. She was so special, just ask all of his 'best friends' & lovers, they'll tell you exactly how special they were. We see it play out on social media all the time, lil snips of jealousy here and there. Each one thought they were the 1. lol


Sheila was so special she was wife material...oh wait, that's not true either, because he was married 2X, and neither time was to Sheila.


Didn't Sheila try to call P after the plane incident, and he wouldn't take her call? Hmmm

Anyway, I'm out. Sheila should def stop using his symbol, especially to promote herself and casinos, cruises, etc. Hopefully she has permission, if not hopefully they'll shut it down.

Andre could not get a call in either and she said she spoke to him nine months before he died. Her drums got in Paisley Park so kind of way.

Do you honestly think that he knew her from the time she was 19 and worked and lived with him and they meant nothing to each other. For years she refered musicians to his band.

They had their ups and downs and she has been pretty honest about and quiet frankly if you took the time to read her book you would know some of this. She even explained why they did not get married because it is kind of hard to marry someone who has dick in other women but I guess she is making that up as well.

No, we all know he had is dick in just about every female in his camp.

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Reply #39 posted 12/07/17 9:08pm

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I'd also like to know why ...

PennyPurple said:

Then why is she still piggy backing off Prince?

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Reply #40 posted 12/08/17 12:44am

mediumdry

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the Melvoins actions speak for themselves.

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They do indeed. They are going out of their way to celebrate his life respectfully, telling stories about their time with him. Nice to hear from people that were very important to Prince during his, to me, most interesting era. And he felt close to them too, keeping in contact over the years.

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Personally, I feel that Sheila isn't as respectful to his memory, claiming his symbol and playing his music she had nothing to do with. The Revolution and, for instance, Mayte seem to be much more respectful and honest about their time with him.

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Reply #41 posted 12/08/17 6:28am

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mediumdry said:

laurarichardson said:

the Melvoins actions speak for themselves.

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They do indeed. They are going out of their way to celebrate his life respectfully, telling stories about their time with him. Nice to hear from people that were very important to Prince during his, to me, most interesting era. And he felt close to them too, keeping in contact over the years.

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Personally, I feel that Sheila isn't as respectful to his memory, claiming his symbol and playing his music she had nothing to do with. The Revolution and, for instance, Mayte seem to be much more respectful and honest about their time with him.

They are riding off of his fame as they had not been involved musically with him in over 30 years.

Did you forget some of their comments in the media? "Fancy Lesbian" or carrying on about they perceived as his "homophobic" comments.

If I were gay and I thought someone was "homophobic" I would not give them the time of day. Funny how the chance to get in the news and make a few bucks changed all of that for them.

You think someone is "homophobic" but now you are celebrating his life. GTFOOH.

At least Sheila E worked with Prince in the last decade of his life and once again as long as she keeps that butterfly across the symbol it is not copyright infringement.

How did Sheila E have nothing to do with his music? She had been finding musician for him for years and more then half of the SOTT band she refered to him?

You lost all creditability with the Mayte comments. eek She put some of the most gut wrenching times of his life out on display to make a buck for herself when she could not even get him to give her a ticket to his concerts and she trashed talked him on national television.

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Reply #42 posted 12/08/17 6:53am

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Laura, I know you like to troll anything to do with the Melvoins. Wendy played with him publically not too long before he died. (and is on one of those albums from the 2000s)

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And again, learn to read sometime. I said Sheila E is playing music from Prince she had nothing to do with. Not saying she had nothing to do with his music ever.

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And it is very possible to love someone and disagree with their opinions. See all those jokes every comedian makes about thanksgiving. I followed Prince after his opinions became quite offensive to me (starting from Lovesexy)

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Just because he was religious and a homophobe (or, more to the point religiously intolerant of the act of love between people of the same gender, as well as intolerant of non-christians (mostly jews, he seemed to like monoculture islamic societies at some point)), but that doesn't mean you have to stop talking to them. Just call them on their bullshit, which I think they did.

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I don't think you'll agree and come up with some other silly tangent. That's fine. But please, give it a rest.

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Reply #43 posted 12/08/17 11:20am

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laurarichardson said:

They are riding off of his fame as they had not been involved musically with him in over 30 years.

Did you forget some of their comments in the media? "Fancy Lesbian" or carrying on about they perceived as his "homophobic" comments.

If I were gay and I thought someone was "homophobic" I would not give them the time of day. Funny how the chance to get in the news and make a few bucks changed all of that for them.

You think someone is "homophobic" but now you are celebrating his life. GTFOOH.

At least Sheila E worked with Prince in the last decade of his life and once again as long as she keeps that butterfly across the symbol it is not copyright infringement.

How did Sheila E have nothing to do with his music? She had been finding musician for him for years and more then half of the SOTT band she refered to him?

You lost all creditability with the Mayte comments. eek She put some of the most gut wrenching times of his life out on display to make a buck for herself when she could not even get him to give her a ticket to his concerts and she trashed talked him on national television.

Seems to me these days, that every single person who was in or used to be in his inner circle are trying to make money off of him, still.

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Reply #44 posted 12/08/17 11:27am

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CyndiGR said:

I'd also like to know why ...

PennyPurple said:

Then why is she still piggy backing off Prince?

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There is a long list of people who are piggy backing off Prince. Prince is their cash cow!

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I'm starting not to like Sheila E. so much anymore. How clever of her to put the butterfly over Prince's symbol. The big question is this; would she do that while Prince was still alive? I think not. That to me, speaks in volumes about her character!

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I was talking to my husband last night about what Sheila E. is doing, and he said "Does she need the money?", Does she need to go on tours? I don't think so; she's doing this for EGO.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #45 posted 12/08/17 11:30am

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cloveringold85 said:

CyndiGR said:

I'd also like to know why ...

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There is a long list of people who are piggy backing off Prince. Prince is their cash cow!

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I'm starting not to like Sheila E. so much anymore. How clever of her to put the butterfly over Prince's symbol. The big question is this; would she do that while Prince was still alive? I think not. That to me, speaks in volumes about her character!

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I was talking to my husband last night about what Sheila E. is doing, and he said "Does she need the money?", Does she need to go on tours? I don't think so; she's doing this for EGO.

Maybe we are just to sensitive about it because we are all Prince fans.

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Reply #46 posted 12/08/17 11:40am

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cloveringold85 said:



CyndiGR said:


I'd also like to know why ...




PennyPurple said:


Then why is she still piggy backing off Prince?





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There is a long list of people who are piggy backing off Prince. Prince is their cash cow!


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I'm starting not to like Sheila E. so much anymore. How clever of her to put the butterfly over Prince's symbol. The big question is this; would she do that while Prince was still alive? I think not. That to me, speaks in volumes about her character!


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I was talking to my husband last night about what Sheila E. is doing, and he said "Does she need the money?", Does she need to go on tours? I don't think so; she's doing this for EGO.



Touring is likely how she and her band make thr bulk of their income. She probably really does need to tour. And her band members and crew rely on her to tour to make money. Her not touring would be like the owner of a small business shutting the whole thing down because he has "enough" money.
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Reply #47 posted 12/08/17 11:47am

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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There is a long list of people who are piggy backing off Prince. Prince is their cash cow!

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I'm starting not to like Sheila E. so much anymore. How clever of her to put the butterfly over Prince's symbol. The big question is this; would she do that while Prince was still alive? I think not. That to me, speaks in volumes about her character!

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I was talking to my husband last night about what Sheila E. is doing, and he said "Does she need the money?", Does she need to go on tours? I don't think so; she's doing this for EGO.

Maybe we are just to sensitive about it because we are all Prince fans.

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Perhaps, but ask an outsider who is not an avid fan of Prince and ask them what they think. They will have a unbiased opinion.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #48 posted 12/08/17 11:49am

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crimesofparis said:

cloveringold85 said:

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There is a long list of people who are piggy backing off Prince. Prince is their cash cow!

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I'm starting not to like Sheila E. so much anymore. How clever of her to put the butterfly over Prince's symbol. The big question is this; would she do that while Prince was still alive? I think not. That to me, speaks in volumes about her character!

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I was talking to my husband last night about what Sheila E. is doing, and he said "Does she need the money?", Does she need to go on tours? I don't think so; she's doing this for EGO.

Touring is likely how she and her band make thr bulk of their income. She probably really does need to tour. And her band members and crew rely on her to tour to make money. Her not touring would be like the owner of a small business shutting the whole thing down because he has "enough" money.

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I know Sheila certainly does not need the money; she does it because it's her passion and her life and she supports her musicians and crew, but she could stop touring any time she wanted to. Now, it's probably just fun for her, which is fine. I'm just uncomfortable with her using Prince's symbol and using it in her marketing/promotions/tours/merchandise, etc.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #49 posted 12/08/17 2:01pm

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PennyPurple said:

Maybe we are just to sensitive about it because we are all Prince fans.

Gee....ya think?????

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Reply #50 posted 12/08/17 2:03pm

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Just curious.....

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I had hard he had some possibly anti-Semitic lyrics in The Rainbow Children (I never bought it)...... but what else did he say or do that was intolerant of Non-Christians and specifically anti-Jew?

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And not sure what you mean about him liking "monoculture islamic societies"?

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mediumdry said:

Just because he was religious and a homophobe (or, more to the point religiously intolerant of the act of love between people of the same gender, as well as intolerant of non-christians (mostly jews, he seemed to like monoculture islamic societies at some point)), but that doesn't mean you have to stop talking to them. Just call them on their bullshit, which I think they did.

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Reply #51 posted 12/08/17 2:06pm

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mediumdry said:

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Personally, I feel that Sheila isn't as respectful to his memory, claiming his symbol and playing his music she had nothing to do with. The Revolution and, for instance, Mayte seem to be much more respectful and honest about their time with him.

No one is MORE respectful than Sheila!! If you actually went to her shows, you would see what she is doing is out of pure love, respect and honor.

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And no one is more qualified to do it than she.

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She was with him in the studio starting with Purple Rain and at least thru Lovesexy.

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She recorded so much stuff with him that we don't even know about.

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And she's not doing any post Lovesexy music, just songs she either already peformed with him or used to do im her sets back in the day.

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Reply #52 posted 12/08/17 7:34pm

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mediumdry said:

Laura, I know you like to troll anything to do with the Melvoins. Wendy played with him publically not too long before he died. (and is on one of those albums from the 2000s)


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And again, learn to read sometime. I said Sheila E is playing music from Prince she had nothing to do with. Not saying she had nothing to do with his music ever.


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And it is very possible to love someone and disagree with their opinions. See all those jokes every comedian makes about thanksgiving. I followed Prince after his opinions became quite offensive to me (starting from Lovesexy)


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Just because he was religious and a homophobe (or, more to the point religiously intolerant of the act of love between people of the same gender, as well as intolerant of non-christians (mostly jews, he seemed to like monoculture islamic societies at some point)), but that doesn't mean you have to stop talking to them. Just call them on their bullshit, which I think they did.


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I don't think you'll agree and come up with some other silly tangent. That's fine. But please, give it a rest.




I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree.
I think to say he was homophobic is to suggest he was incapable of interacting
With people he disagreed with. The same with saying he was intolerant suggest to me a person who couldn’t come incontact with people of differing views. I think he was polite when he told people how he felt about religion and god. He never came across as intolerant to me in his saying how he felt. I don’t think it is fair to label someone as
Intolerant simply because they disagree. To me that is the hallmark of true liberalism. Choosing to allow people to have their views without judging theirs against mine as tho mine are superior to theirs.
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Reply #53 posted 12/08/17 10:51pm

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purplefam99 said:

mediumdry said:

Laura, I know you like to troll anything to do with the Melvoins. Wendy played with him publically not too long before he died. (and is on one of those albums from the 2000s)

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And again, learn to read sometime. I said Sheila E is playing music from Prince she had nothing to do with. Not saying she had nothing to do with his music ever.

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And it is very possible to love someone and disagree with their opinions. See all those jokes every comedian makes about thanksgiving. I followed Prince after his opinions became quite offensive to me (starting from Lovesexy)

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Just because he was religious and a homophobe (or, more to the point religiously intolerant of the act of love between people of the same gender, as well as intolerant of non-christians (mostly jews, he seemed to like monoculture islamic societies at some point)), but that doesn't mean you have to stop talking to them. Just call them on their bullshit, which I think they did.

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I don't think you'll agree and come up with some other silly tangent. That's fine. But please, give it a rest.

I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree. I think to say he was homophobic is to suggest he was incapable of interacting With people he disagreed with. The same with saying he was intolerant suggest to me a person who couldn’t come incontact with people of differing views. I think he was polite when he told people how he felt about religion and god. He never came across as intolerant to me in his saying how he felt. I don’t think it is fair to label someone as Intolerant simply because they disagree. To me that is the hallmark of true liberalism. Choosing to allow people to have their views without judging theirs against mine as tho mine are superior to theirs.

I think that as he was veering away from the JW beliefs (I believe it started around 2008-09), by 2015 he was back to being an adapter of all religions and let the dogmatic aspect of what he used to believe go. I think it started coming to a head during the "F.U.N.K." album sessions where the JW supposedly had words with him about "Turn Me Loose", and then his references to a "loving society" and "conspiracy" in "Dreamer" were hints at the awakening he was going through. Sure it took some time for him to shed a lot of the religious-based intolerance, but I think his allowing of The Time to do their show unaltered and his own erotic/ semi-explicit lyrics coming back into AOA, etc. show that he was loosening up.

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Reply #54 posted 12/08/17 11:28pm

mediumdry

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I had hard he had some possibly anti-Semitic lyrics in The Rainbow Children (I never bought it)...... but what else did he say or do that was intolerant of Non-Christians and specifically anti-Jew?

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Do yourself a favor and go and get the Rainbow Children. It is one of Prince's best albums. Ever. Ignore the lyrics though. smile

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He uses some typical jewish-american names as the bad guys, where african-american people were mistreated a lot. It's a rather simplified version of the slavery history, with some digs against others.

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And not sure what you mean about him liking "monoculture islamic societies"?

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Somewhere in the 2000s he made a remark in an interview about it being nice if a society all had the same religion. This was in reference to an islamic country. I do not have the quote at hand though. Does anyone else?

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Reply #55 posted 12/08/17 11:32pm

mediumdry

purplefam99 said:

I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree.

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I'm sorry, I don't understand this. Are you saying Prince did not agree with people being homosexual?

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Reply #56 posted 12/09/17 8:06am

purplefam99

mediumdry said:

purplefam99 said:

I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree.

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I'm sorry, I don't understand this. Are you saying Prince did not agree with people being homosexual?

i think ( i have no way of knowing for sure) that he spoke what he felt about homosexuality. I

get the sense he disagreed with it. I don't think disagreeing means you have to be intolerant to others.

i think intolerant means you can't in anyway care to come in contact. but i have no way of knowing

and can be very tolerant of your view that he was "intolerant" even tho i disagree.

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Reply #57 posted 12/09/17 8:23am

purplefam99

TrcikyChristopher said:

purplefam99 said:

mediumdry said: I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree. I think to say he was homophobic is to suggest he was incapable of interacting With people he disagreed with. The same with saying he was intolerant suggest to me a person who couldn’t come incontact with people of differing views. I think he was polite when he told people how he felt about religion and god. He never came across as intolerant to me in his saying how he felt. I don’t think it is fair to label someone as Intolerant simply because they disagree. To me that is the hallmark of true liberalism. Choosing to allow people to have their views without judging theirs against mine as tho mine are superior to theirs.

I think that as he was veering away from the JW beliefs (I believe it started around 2008-09), by 2015 he was back to being an adapter of all religions and let the dogmatic aspect of what he used to believe go. I think it started coming to a head during the "F.U.N.K." album sessions where the JW supposedly had words with him about "Turn Me Loose", and then his references to a "loving society" and "conspiracy" in "Dreamer" were hints at the awakening he was going through. Sure it took some time for him to shed a lot of the religious-based intolerance, but I think his allowing of The Time to do their show unaltered and his own erotic/ semi-explicit lyrics coming back into AOA, etc. show that he was loosening up.

i think (of course i don't know) that his core belief system never altered much, but his approach

to those beliefs did start to display that they didn't need the "JW's house" in order to be put into action. That he returned to the reality that God has one common house or can't be housed in one

place to be effective. That reminder that we ALL have a seat at the table and that God is feeding us what we need at the time.

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Reply #58 posted 12/09/17 8:42am

rogifan

TrcikyChristopher said:



purplefam99 said:


mediumdry said:

Laura, I know you like to troll anything to do with the Melvoins. Wendy played with him publically not too long before he died. (and is on one of those albums from the 2000s)


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And again, learn to read sometime. I said Sheila E is playing music from Prince she had nothing to do with. Not saying she had nothing to do with his music ever.


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And it is very possible to love someone and disagree with their opinions. See all those jokes every comedian makes about thanksgiving. I followed Prince after his opinions became quite offensive to me (starting from Lovesexy)


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Just because he was religious and a homophobe (or, more to the point religiously intolerant of the act of love between people of the same gender, as well as intolerant of non-christians (mostly jews, he seemed to like monoculture islamic societies at some point)), but that doesn't mean you have to stop talking to them. Just call them on their bullshit, which I think they did.


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I don't think you'll agree and come up with some other silly tangent. That's fine. But please, give it a rest.



I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree. I think to say he was homophobic is to suggest he was incapable of interacting With people he disagreed with. The same with saying he was intolerant suggest to me a person who couldn’t come incontact with people of differing views. I think he was polite when he told people how he felt about religion and god. He never came across as intolerant to me in his saying how he felt. I don’t think it is fair to label someone as Intolerant simply because they disagree. To me that is the hallmark of true liberalism. Choosing to allow people to have their views without judging theirs against mine as tho mine are superior to theirs.

I think that as he was veering away from the JW beliefs (I believe it started around 2008-09), by 2015 he was back to being an adapter of all religions and let the dogmatic aspect of what he used to believe go. I think it started coming to a head during the "F.U.N.K." album sessions where the JW supposedly had words with him about "Turn Me Loose", and then his references to a "loving society" and "conspiracy" in "Dreamer" were hints at the awakening he was going through. Sure it took some time for him to shed a lot of the religious-based intolerance, but I think his allowing of The Time to do their show unaltered and his own erotic/ semi-explicit lyrics coming back into AOA, etc. show that he was loosening up.


Seems to me this is what a lot of people want to believe vs having hard facts to back it up. Especially people who aren’t religious or don’t care for JW. Whenever someone uses the word dogmatic that’s a tell for me.

Prince still spoke about JW as late as 2012 in this interview with the Chicago Tribune:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-20/entertainment/chi-prince-interview-music-chicago-20120920_1_paisley-park-prince-tommy-james/3

And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study.

"I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'"

Also after his passing there was a JW service which Larry Graham spoke at and members of 3EG and NPG attended. Shelby J. said she attended because she wanted to respect his faith.

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And this is what Prince told Ebony in 2015 when asked about working with Josh Welton:

EBONY: You’ve never had a producer. What made you choose Joshua Welton for Hit N Run: Phase One?

Prince: His faith in God really struck a nerve. And you know how you can just feel that something’s gonna work and it feels right, it’s a good fit? I knew the band was going to work, I knew the relationship with him was gonna work. I check people out now to see how faith-based they are and how real they are about it. That goes a long way, I gotta tell you. Because I can trust them. I can give him the key and don’t have to worry.

There is evidence he wasn’t totally loosening up. This anecdote from a 2016 P&M after show party:

http://themusic.com.au/ne...fterparty/

The only time throughout the night that Walker received anything but positive feedback from Prince's camp came when he dropped one of the man-of-the-moment's own hits, Head, which Walker was quickly asked to turn off.

"He gave a requirement that he didn’t want any tracks played with any profanity in it, so I knew that before the gig started and then I was thinking, which track of his do I want to play and that was one of my favourite tracks of his," he says.

"...And then he sent his minder up who said, ‘Take it off’."
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Reply #59 posted 12/09/17 8:54am

rogifan

purplefam99 said:



mediumdry said:




purplefam99 said:


I don’t think he was a homophobe, I think he didn’t agree.

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I'm sorry, I don't understand this. Are you saying Prince did not agree with people being homosexual?



i think ( i have no way of knowing for sure) that he spoke what he felt about homosexuality. I


get the sense he disagreed with it. I don't think disagreeing means you have to be intolerant to others.


i think intolerant means you can't in anyway care to come in contact. but i have no way of knowing


and can be very tolerant of your view that he was "intolerant" even tho i disagree.



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There was the interview with the New Yorker in 2008. In another interview (I think with the LA Times) Prince claimed he was taken out of context and that he studied the Bible with his gay friends. But the passage below has direct quotes and the New Yorker said they stood by their story.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/11/24/soup-with-prince

Recently, Prince hosted an executive who works for Philip Anschutz, the Christian businessman whose company owns the Staples Center. “We started talking red and blue,” Prince said. “People with money—money like that—are not affected by the stock market, and they’re not freaking out over anything. They’re just watching. So here’s how it is: you’ve got the Republicans, and basically they want to live according to this.” He pointed to a Bible. “But there’s the problem of interpretation, and you’ve got some churches, some people, basically doing things and saying it comes from here, but it doesn’t. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum you’ve got blue, you’ve got the Democrats, and they’re, like, ‘You can do whatever you want.’ Gay marriage, whatever. But neither of them is right.”

When Jon Bream from the Star Tribune interviewed Prince in 2013 he asked Prince about the Minnesota referendum to ban gay marriage (which was a very close referendum, defeated 51/49) and Prince chose not to comment on it. I suppose it’s possible gay marriage didn’t jive with his beliefs; other than that New Yorker interview I don’t think he ever spoke on the subject one way or the other.
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