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the Camille era[aborted] ~1987

Let's discuss this possibilities of this album. What would this have been like if released in 1987?

What would promotion have looked like? Singles, Bsides, direct a video of a song you think would have been released. Camille...who is Camille and how would Camille be presented to the world?

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Sign O the Time movie concert

http://prince.org/msg/7/447838

Prince & his Madhouse 8

http://prince.org/msg/7/448090

the Black Album era[aborted] ~1988

http://prince.org/msg/7/448846

Sign☮ the Times era ~ 1987

http://prince.org/msg/7/447837

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #1 posted 11/05/17 5:41am

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #2 posted 11/05/17 5:48am

NorthC

Good Love would have been a good lead single. By the way, those pictures... Were they ever intended for the album of are they fan made?
Don't ever lose your dreams.
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Reply #3 posted 11/05/17 6:30am

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NorthC said:

Good Love would have been a good lead single. By the way, those pictures... Were they ever intended for the album of are they fan made?

Yes I agree, about Good Love

I have notes I've collected on all these 'Camille' covers.
I will find them and add what I/we have concluded

I believe the one above is a fan made cover

but the 2nd one I believe is official. They words-fonts come from the album press Prince did of the configurations

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #4 posted 11/05/17 6:33am

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Good Love would have been a good lead single. By the way, those pictures... Were they ever intended for the album of are they fan made?


Yes I agree about Good Love as a lead single. It's such a great song and I wish Prince would have included it on SOTT
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
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Reply #5 posted 11/05/17 7:02am

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NorthC said:
Good Love would have been a good lead single. By the way, those pictures... Were they ever intended for the album of are they fan made? [Edited 11/5/17 5:50am]
Yes I agree about Good Love as a lead single. It's such a great song and I wish Prince would have included it on SOTT

what would a video look like for Good Love? or would Prince not release one?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #6 posted 11/05/17 7:02am

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REBIRTH OF THE FLESH

Ooh yeah, alright
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

Kick drum pounds on the 2 and 4
All the party people get on the floor
We got the beat U're looking 4
The rebirth of the flesh is at your door (Let it in y'all!)

It's a brand new day
3 2 funk ain't in our way (No no no)
It ain't about the money, we just wanna play
The rebirth of the flesh is here 2day (Is here 2 stay)

La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
The rebirth of the flesh, it's all over U

We are the fathers of a new boogie cool
Guaranteed 2 rock U cuz we're from the old school
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie blues (Check it out!)

It's a brand new day (Wooo!)
3 2 funk ain't in our way (No)
It ain't about the money, we just wanna play
The rebirth of the flesh is here 2day - now everybody say


La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool (Wooo!)
Souli-a-colia (Hey)
Souli-a-colia (Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey)

Think about your man, the 1 that works so hard (Hey)
What's his is his, what's yours is yours
Unless U beat him at a game of cards (Hey)
This ain't cards, motherfucker!
This is life, this is real

We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
Come on
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool

La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool

La la la la, souli-a-colia
(Hey) {x13}
No!
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)

Welcome 2 the Crystal Ball

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #7 posted 11/05/17 7:04am

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Image result for rebirth of the flesh lyrics

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #8 posted 11/05/17 8:13am

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I love his Camille sound! If I imagined a video, I immediately think of FREEDOM 90 by George Michael. Perhaps it would be full of ladies lip syncing the words, but not without Prince of course. For "Good Love", I picture Prince and some ladies trying on outfits on Rodeo Drive in Cali at the fancy shops like in Pretty Woman. But who knows! shrug


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Reply #9 posted 11/05/17 10:11am

donnyenglish

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Image result for rebirth of the flesh lyrics





Where does this art come from? Is it official?
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Reply #10 posted 11/05/17 10:17am

SoulAlive

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let's discuss this possibilities of this album. What would this have been like if released in 1987?

What would promotion have looked like? Singles, Bsides, direct a video of a song you think would have been released. Camille...who is Camille and how would Camille be presented to the world?

I like all of the songs,but I think Prince was wise to release the tracks on different projects,as opposed to an entire album.People would have been confused by an album from a guy named 'Camille' biggrin it would have been treated as a weird side project.

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Reply #11 posted 11/05/17 1:27pm

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REBIRTH OF THE FLESH

Ooh yeah, alright
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

Kick drum pounds on the 2 and 4
All the party people get on the floor
We got the beat U're looking 4
The rebirth of the flesh is at your door (Let it in y'all!)

It's a brand new day
3 2 funk ain't in our way (No no no)
It ain't about the money, we just wanna play
The rebirth of the flesh is here 2day (Is here 2 stay)

La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
The rebirth of the flesh, it's all over U

We are the fathers of a new boogie cool
Guaranteed 2 rock U cuz we're from the old school
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie blues (Check it out!)

It's a brand new day (Wooo!)
3 2 funk ain't in our way (No)
It ain't about the money, we just wanna play
The rebirth of the flesh is here 2day - now everybody say


La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool (Wooo!)
Souli-a-colia (Hey)
Souli-a-colia (Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey)

Think about your nigga, the 1 that works so hard (Hey)
What's his is his, what's yours is yours
Unless U beat him at a game of cards (Hey)
This ain't cards, motherfucker!
This is life, this is real

We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
Come on
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool

La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool

La la la la, souli-a-colia
(Hey) {x13}
No!
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)

Welcome 2 the Crystal Ball

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I like to think it's 'neighbor', not 'nigga'

"I like to watch."
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Reply #12 posted 11/05/17 3:59pm

Dilan

i wonder why the unleaked title track isnt on the config

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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Reply #13 posted 11/05/17 4:24pm

kookooman73

SoulAlive said:



OldFriends4Sale said:



Let's discuss this possibilities of this album. What would this have been like if released in 1987?


What would promotion have looked like? Singles, Bsides, direct a video of a song you think would have been released. Camille...who is Camille and how would Camille be presented to the world?





I like all of the songs,but I think Prince was wise to release the tracks on different projects,as opposed to an entire album.People would have been confused by an album from a guy named 'Camille' biggrin it would have been treated as a weird side project.


Respectfully disagree. I think the album would have sold well as this was P’s peak period. His star was still very much in ascendence. The trax work well as a cohesive project. Rebirth Of The Flesh remains unreleased & Good Love was lost on a crappy soundtrack. Having an aler ego never did David Bowie any harm!!! 💜
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Reply #14 posted 11/05/17 5:42pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Let's discuss this possibilities of this album. What would this have been like if released in 1987?

What would promotion have looked like? Singles, Bsides, direct a video of a song you think would have been released. Camille...who is Camille and how would Camille be presented to the world?

I like all of the songs,but I think Prince was wise to release the tracks on different projects,as opposed to an entire album.People would have been confused by an album from a guy named 'Camille' biggrin it would have been treated as a weird side project.

Who cares, is Prince he's always been perceived as weird. I imagine the Good Love video as animated with Prince and lots of girls singing, dancin and even flyin here and there, while girls joinin Prince in the chorus like the Nala and Simba scene when they are kids and go their way to explore, and then the musical scene begins, something like that.

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Reply #15 posted 11/05/17 9:08pm

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I was reading about these tracks last night, and thinking: If the Camille thing had come out as an actual album (instead of The Black Album, which was almost released and then suddenly cancelled), then 'Housequake', 'If I Was Your Girlfriend', and 'Strange Relationship' are no longer on Sign O' The Times.

So, then, since Warners were already nervous about a double-album in spring '87, I doubt they'd have been supportive of a double-album just months after Camille. So, with only 14 songs remaining, would Sign O' The Times then have come out as a single album?

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Reply #16 posted 11/05/17 9:29pm

williamb610

OldFriends4Sale said:

REBIRTH OF THE FLESH

Ooh yeah, alright
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

Kick drum pounds on the 2 and 4
All the party people get on the floor
We got the beat U're looking 4
The rebirth of the flesh is at your door (Let it in y'all!)

It's a brand new day
3 2 funk ain't in our way (No no no)
It ain't about the money, we just wanna play
The rebirth of the flesh is here 2day (Is here 2 stay)

La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
The rebirth of the flesh, it's all over U

We are the fathers of a new boogie cool
Guaranteed 2 rock U cuz we're from the old school
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie blues (Check it out!)

It's a brand new day (Wooo!)
3 2 funk ain't in our way (No)
It ain't about the money, we just wanna play
The rebirth of the flesh is here 2day - now everybody say


La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool (Wooo!)
Souli-a-colia (Hey)
Souli-a-colia (Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey)

Think about your nigga, the 1 that works so hard (Hey)
What's his is his, what's yours is yours
Unless U beat him at a game of cards (Hey)
This ain't cards, motherfucker!
This is life, this is real

We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
Come on
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool

La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)
We are here, where are U?
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool
Everybody jam 2 the new boogie cool

La la la la, souli-a-colia
(Hey) {x13}
No!
La la la la la la, souli-a-colia (Hey)

Welcome 2 the Crystal Ball

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I think it's "3 2 funk and get away". It's also, "Think about your man, the one who works so hard. what's his is his...what's yours is yours..."

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Reply #17 posted 11/05/17 9:34pm

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Some of the greatest and funkiest music he has ever produced is on this album....... The music snobs podcast latest episode discuss this project , well worth a listen.

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Reply #18 posted 11/06/17 1:45am

darkroman

One of the greatest and most conherent album configurations. I love it!

It's interesting that around this period Prince was recording just sooo much!!

Sometimes I feel Prince album configurations can sound like random compilations, but this is great.

If this was released at the time, it would be very odd to think of those SOTT tracks not being on SOTT.

lol lol

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Reply #19 posted 11/06/17 2:05am

TheFman

Very strong album, very levelled quality with no standout songs or filler (besides rockhard)

You could have 8 singles from this album, but also just one - i dont think it would have been a big hit cause there isn't the standout lead song.

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Reply #20 posted 11/06/17 4:02am

james

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WB... if you're listening... this would make an awesome Record Store Day release.

I'd love a vinyl reproduction, with the tracks properly sequenced!

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Reply #21 posted 11/06/17 5:20am

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Thanks 4 the lyric updates guys, I didn't look them over, or listen to the song when cut n pasting from a lyrics site. Maybe I'll send the site an update on the lyrics.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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darkroman said:

One of the greatest and most conherent album configurations. I love it!

It's interesting that around this period Prince was recording just sooo much!!

Sometimes I feel Prince album configurations can sound like random compilations, but this is great.

If this was released at the time, it would be very odd to think of those SOTT tracks not being on SOTT.

lol lol

I think if the Dream Factory -Prince & the Revolution still happened in 1987 the Camille album could easily have been released along with it. And we really get the 'alter ego' effect. The Dream Factory took on a more mature direction and Camille more playful.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #23 posted 11/06/17 5:28am

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I always picture this or this as a representation of Camille

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #24 posted 11/06/17 7:25am

khelm9

Always thought Strange Relationship would have been a good single as well. Much better choice than IIWYGF

NorthC said:

Good Love would have been a good lead single. By the way, those pictures... Were they ever intended for the album of are they fan made?

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Reply #25 posted 11/06/17 8:49am

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I guess the concept of an "alter ego album" carried through and became The Black Album.

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Very interesting period, and I'd love to know his thought process 86 - 89 !

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Reply #26 posted 11/06/17 1:32pm

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khelm9 said:

Always thought Strange Relationship would have been a good single as well. Much better choice than IIWYGF

NorthC said:

Good Love would have been a good lead single. By the way, those pictures... Were they ever intended for the album of are they fan made?

I would have loved Shockadelica and IIWYGF as singles, well actually the whole album should have been singles if released.

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Reply #27 posted 11/06/17 3:58pm

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Shockadelica/Housequake/7 Mins MoQuake was actually planned as the first single

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YAHOO INTERNET LIFE * October 1997

Sites O' the Times



Artists have always been interested in
new technologies. DaVinci was.
Duchamp was. And the Artist is, too.

By Ben Greenman

YIL: Do you think "Shockadelica" is your best song? If not, why not?

The Artist: "Shockadelica" is about a witch. "The Holy River" is about redemption. I am no judge.

YIL: This may sound nuts, but does the Camille alter ego, which you used on Sign O' the Times, have anything to do with the famous nineteenth-century hermaphrodite Herculine Barbin, who was nicknamed Camille? If so, my younger brother will be very, very happy, since he has spent roughly a decade trying to convince me of this.

The Artist: Your brother is very wise.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #29 posted 11/06/17 8:02pm

SoulAlive

ThePanther said:

I was reading about these tracks last night, and thinking: If the Camille thing had come out as an actual album (instead of The Black Album, which was almost released and then suddenly cancelled), then 'Housequake', 'If I Was Your Girlfriend', and 'Strange Relationship' are no longer on Sign O' The Times.



So, then, since Warners were already nervous about a double-album in spring '87, I doubt they'd have been supportive of a double-album just months after Camille. So, with only 14 songs remaining, would Sign O' The Times then have come out as a single album?



I’m glad that he waited and placed those songs on SOTT.It’s hard to imagine SOTT without those tracks.
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