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Thread started 11/03/17 4:21am

rossamoran

Is remastering necessary?

I listen to Prince every single day, but recently in the last week or so I’ve been observing the actual quality of his songs. It begs the question; does his music need remastering as opposed to just re-releasing the albums with a bunch of bonus content. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in WB, after the atrocity that was “Purple Rain Deluxe Explanded”. I do not believe Prince had anything to do with the remastering process, to be honest. The only difference that I can notice is an increase in volume. Listening to albums like 1999 and Sign O’ the Times, the quality sounds fresh af. I just don’t reslly feel that they need improvement. Hopefully I’ll be proved wrong when the new remaster is released. Let’s just hope they listen to the fans and get a new team of engineers on board. Anyway, what do y’all think about it. Do they need altering?
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Reply #1 posted 11/03/17 4:24am

jaawwnn

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LOL the main issue with the Purple Rain Deluxe is that Prince did have a hand in the mastering, you have it backwards there. Blame Josh or blame Prince, it's up to you, but WB were trying to be true to their agreement with him by releasing what he gave them.

I'm not too pushed about remastering myself although most people think Sign O the Times needs a remastering and have made good cases for it. Maybe WB could just push the volume up on Spotify and the like to bring it in line with everything else on there, the rest of us still have our original cd's and vinyl.

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Reply #2 posted 11/03/17 5:07am

jjam

Remastering isn't necessary. Most modern day remastering is dreadful, with the compression applied often ruining the dynamic character of the original track or album (for example, quiet parts of a track being made louder).

Most remasters are too loud, suffering from distortion/clipping in places (the 2017 issue of Purple Rain is certainly guilty of this). It's actually pointless making your master as loud as possible these days, as streaming services such as Spotify and YouTube have reduced the output level at their end. Who would have thought the streaming services would be leading the battle against the loudness wars?

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Reply #3 posted 11/03/17 5:14am

thedance

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the sound on the old Prince cd's from the 1980s, is....... TERRIBLE

Silly question, I am in need, a huge need to have the Prince cd's 1978 to 1988 remastered.

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Reply #4 posted 11/03/17 5:17am

jjam

Those Prince albums aren't audiophile experiences, you know. Not much can be done if the engineering wasn't great.

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Reply #5 posted 11/03/17 7:17am

JoeyCococo

jjam said:

Those Prince albums aren't audiophile experiences, you know. Not much can be done if the engineering wasn't great.

Mastering is absolutely required, especially Sign O The Times, Around the World In A Day and The Black Album.

Many 80s CD transfers are terrible and i have read this b/c the technology was new to many doing those transfers. So, if a complete remaster is not possible, a better transfer is...not like what they did to Purple Rain. That was just much louder...nothing more.

To me, the sound on the Purple Rain Deluxe is actualy disc 3 for the edits. I am positive I have never heard Erotic city sound that good before...I am not clear who did that mastering job but that was good.

tx

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Reply #6 posted 11/03/17 7:33am

udo

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jaawwnn said:

LOL the main issue with the Purple Rain Deluxe is that Prince did have a hand in the mastering, y

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LOL te main issue is that WB was apparently unable (for fear or other reaons) to convince Prince to do a 'proper' remaster instead.

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Reply #7 posted 11/03/17 7:59am

leecaldon

Yeah, remastering is seriously needed for some of those older albums. SOTT especially.

Of course, it can go wrong, like the PR remaster. What do the people in charge have against dynamic range??

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Reply #8 posted 11/03/17 8:01am

jaawwnn

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udo said:

jaawwnn said:

LOL the main issue with the Purple Rain Deluxe is that Prince did have a hand in the mastering, y

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LOL te main issue is that WB was apparently unable (for fear or other reaons) to convince Prince to do a 'proper' remaster instead.

Fair point, I wouldn't have wished that job on anyone.

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Reply #9 posted 11/03/17 9:09am

laurarichardso
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jaawwnn said:

udo said:

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LOL te main issue is that WB was apparently unable (for fear or other reaons) to convince Prince to do a 'proper' remaster instead.

Fair point, I wouldn't have wished that job on anyone.

It will have no impact on sales at all so therefore, it is not important. The average person could care less about it.

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Reply #10 posted 11/03/17 9:58am

jjam

JoeyCococo said:

jjam said:

Those Prince albums aren't audiophile experiences, you know. Not much can be done if the engineering wasn't great.

Mastering is absolutely required, especially Sign O The Times, Around the World In A Day and The Black Album.

Many 80s CD transfers are terrible and i have read this b/c the technology was new to many doing those transfers. So, if a complete remaster is not possible, a better transfer is...not like what they did to Purple Rain. That was just much louder...nothing more.

To me, the sound on the Purple Rain Deluxe is actualy disc 3 for the edits. I am positive I have never heard Erotic city sound that good before...I am not clear who did that mastering job but that was good.

tx

I think it's worth bearing in mind that many 80s albums weren't exactly low end heavy, especially Prince's. This is pretty much the audio aesthetic of the 80s rearing its head, much in the same way that the last decade or so is defined by WAY too much compression.

Many 80s CD transfers are much better than their latter day reissue counterparts, owing to them being flat transfers. Once you start unnecessarily tinkering with EQ and limiting, you are compromising what the artist intended.

You know, there's always tone controls on whatever you're using to listen to music.

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Reply #11 posted 11/03/17 12:34pm

rdhull

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rossamoran said:

Listening to albums like 1999 and Sign O’ the Times, the quality sounds fresh af. I just don’t reslly feel that they need improvement.

SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #12 posted 11/03/17 1:08pm

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rdhull said:

rossamoran said:

Listening to albums like 1999 and Sign O’ the Times, the quality sounds fresh af. I just don’t reslly feel that they need improvement.

SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!

Joke all you want the average person could less. It is just going to cause more expense and time.

Catalogue and repair what can be repaired and put the music out.

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Reply #13 posted 11/03/17 1:39pm

rdhull

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laurarichardson said:

rdhull said:

SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!

Joke all you want

You still around Laura?

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #14 posted 11/03/17 3:02pm

ian

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For the WB years, I say just leave it alone. Preserve it, don't fuck with it, leave it the hell alone.

We've all been listening to those records long enough now, we'd never be happy with anyone else tinkering with that music.

For the post-WB era though, TGE onwards, I'd love to hear some of that stuff mastered properly.

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Reply #15 posted 11/03/17 3:18pm

kingricefan

The Black Album most definately needs remastered. Get rid of the 'hiss' that's on it!

JoeyCococo said:

jjam said:

Those Prince albums aren't audiophile experiences, you know. Not much can be done if the engineering wasn't great.

Mastering is absolutely required, especially Sign O The Times, Around the World In A Day and The Black Album.

Many 80s CD transfers are terrible and i have read this b/c the technology was new to many doing those transfers. So, if a complete remaster is not possible, a better transfer is...not like what they did to Purple Rain. That was just much louder...nothing more.

To me, the sound on the Purple Rain Deluxe is actualy disc 3 for the edits. I am positive I have never heard Erotic city sound that good before...I am not clear who did that mastering job but that was good.

tx

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Reply #16 posted 11/03/17 4:24pm

laurarichardso
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rdhull said:



laurarichardson said:




rdhull said:



SECURITY!!!!!



Joke all you want



You still around Laura?


Are you?
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Reply #17 posted 11/03/17 9:11pm

udo

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laurarichardson said:

The average person could care less about it.

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Thus a person with some knowledge should be involved in these mastering decisions.

That could be the added value of a record company.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #18 posted 11/03/17 11:49pm

rossamoran

rdhull said:



rossamoran said:


Listening to albums like 1999 and Sign O’ the Times, the quality sounds fresh af. I just don’t reslly feel that they need improvement.

SECURITY!!!!!


I listen to them on Spotify and they sound pretty good. :/
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Reply #19 posted 11/04/17 2:10am

embmmusic

If remastering is done right then there is absolutely a major benefit to it. I picked up the 20th anniversary edition of OK Computer earlier this year and whilst the original album sounded great, the new remaster of it sounds phenomenal. It largely depends on who is doing the remaster and the quality of the original tapes.

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Reply #20 posted 11/04/17 4:04am

rossamoran

thedance said:

the sound on the old Prince cd's from the 1980s, is..... TERRIBLE

Silly question, I am in need, a huge need to have the Prince cd's 1978 to 1988 remastered.

nod


Well I’m living in the more digital age of music, listening to Prince solely through Spotify. I have all his other albums (The Gold Experience thru to HITNRUN Phase Two) ripped from CD’s on my iTunes. The quality on Spotify is actually very good, with the volume at just the right level. Obviously, CDs from 30 years ago would need a good cleanup, but the sound on streaming services is really good.
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Reply #21 posted 11/04/17 4:48am

TheFman

Remastering isn't necessairy. Buying vinyl is.

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Reply #22 posted 11/04/17 4:51am

rossamoran

TheFman said:

Remastering isn't necessairy. Buying vinyl is.


Amen. lol
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Reply #23 posted 11/04/17 5:35am

udo

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rossamoran said:

TheFman said:

Remastering isn't necessairy. Buying vinyl is.

Amen. lol

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If 'they' can't even come up with an acceptable CD-alternative with higher resolution and higher capacity why should we accept the shorcomings of this analogue medium?

If you seek extra `warmth` then you are already deviating from what the musician intended compared to the 'color' of the audio on the CD.

Streams etc are not the answer.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #24 posted 11/05/17 3:29am

smokeverbs

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My Prince library has always been a mix of CDs and vinyl, so I can't comment on ATWAID on CD, for example, but I thought it was common knowledge that SOTT on CD used the wrong tapes, and has always needed a new CD master. Unfortunately, this should have happened years ago, and any forthcoming new remaster of SOTT is likely to be brickwalled, which defeats the purpose. Maybe someday Prince's catalogue will get the same amount of love as the Beatles and Zappa - the most recent masterings of their catalogues are FANTASTIC and prime examples of Remasters Done Right.

Keep your headphones on.
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Reply #25 posted 11/05/17 5:19am

jjam

That's the first I've heard of the wrong tapes being used for Sign O The Times.

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Reply #26 posted 11/05/17 5:22am

jjam

smokeverbs said:

...and any forthcoming new remaster of SOTT is likely to be brickwalled, which defeats the purpose.

Well, as I mentioned earlier, I would like to think that Spotify imposing a limit on the output level from their end is likely to have an effect on remasters being brickwalled. But then a lot of mastering for reissues is done by amateurs who are doing it on the cheap (reissue labels often don't have much of a budget and a typical reissue won't sell anywhere near as much you'd think).

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Reply #27 posted 11/06/17 7:48am

laurarichardso
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udo said:

laurarichardson said:

The average person could care less about it.

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Thus a person with some knowledge should be involved in these mastering decisions.

That could be the added value of a record company.

It is not going to add any value because most consumers could care less and who ever works on Prince's catalogue is looking to maximize profit. Look how cheap the PR remaster was done and I am not just discussing the sound. The entire package was cheaply thrown together.

Landmark album just tossed out like it was the greatest hits of the Monkees. eek

With an entire change at the top at WB who knows what is going to happen with future WB invovement. I do not think coporate America has any idea of how vaule Prince's catalogue is and know nothing about his fanbase.

Asfin said he had a hard time getting a deal for his book and the book makes it into the top 15 on the New York Times Book list the first week out.

Total cluelessness.

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Reply #28 posted 11/06/17 8:55am

james

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The mastering on The Black Album is so bad it's almost like it was never really intended for release.................. confused

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Reply #29 posted 11/06/17 9:13am

jazzz

james said:

The mastering on The Black Album is so bad it's almost like it was never really intended for release..... confused


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Probably the only way to make a good sounding version of the Black Album would be a new mix from the multitrack tapes by Susan R and Sheila E!
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