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Thread started 09/03/17 2:55am

MMJas

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Question about the book The Rise (and Fall) of Prince

I was wondering why did the authors end the book at that particular time (the fall, I get it), why did they not write a follow up to it? Thanks.

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Reply #1 posted 09/03/17 3:42am

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Possessed: The Rise and Fall of Prince (Alex Hahn) was first published in 2003, covering Prince's career up until 2002.

The Rise of Prince: 1958-1988 was released earlier this year, co-authored by Alex Hahn and Laura Tiebert, drawing upon, and updating material from Alex's previous book, and providing a prologue covering the events of 2016.


You could try to contact Alex and ask him about whether he plans to write about the later years of Prince's career i.e. 2003-2015. He is a member here, and has posted previously:

http://prince.org/msg/7/438065

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Reply #2 posted 09/03/17 7:47am

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If I remember correctly I asked him if there was going to be a follow up when we were doing the book club. He said that he MIGHT but it takes quite a bit of time to do a book, and right now he and Laura were pretty busy.


My contact with him during the book club, I found that he and Laura were very kind & polite.


If they ever decide to do a follow up, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

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Reply #3 posted 09/03/17 9:25am

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PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly I asked him if there was going to be a follow up when we were doing the book club. He said that he MIGHT but it takes quite a bit of time to do a book, and right now he and Laura were pretty busy.


My contact with him during the book club, I found that he and Laura were very kind & polite.


If they ever decide to do a follow up, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

That would be great if he could come full circle and complete one on the latter half of Prince's life.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #4 posted 09/03/17 9:45am

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Musze said:

PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly I asked him if there was going to be a follow up when we were doing the book club. He said that he MIGHT but it takes quite a bit of time to do a book, and right now he and Laura were pretty busy.


My contact with him during the book club, I found that he and Laura were very kind & polite.


If they ever decide to do a follow up, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

That would be great if he could come full circle and complete one on the latter half of Prince's life.

Mmmh... That's the issue with many artists' biographies: of course P's life lasted 57 years so 1989-2016 is the later half of his life, but too often it feels to me like 1978-1988 is considered one half of his career, and 1989-2016 the other.

Well... no.

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Reply #5 posted 09/03/17 6:59pm

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Just a couple of weeks ago, Alex Hahn asked followers on FB (believe it was on the Make The House Shake page) what they thought about the possibility that he and Laura Tiebert doing an expanded version of the book - expanding some chapters and the prologue as they have come across new information since the time they released the book. People were generally supportive of that but many seemed interested in a "next volume" picking up where they previously left off. Alex had stated in his initial comment that it would be quite a task and didn't seem that he was leaning in that direction - however, a comment was made by a follower that they would like a follow up at least covering 1989-2000 to which Laura had a positive reply. I think they both spent a tremendous amount of time on the project and, perhaps in time they will want to continue.
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Reply #6 posted 09/03/17 10:26pm

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CooperC62057 said:

Just a couple of weeks ago, Alex Hahn asked followers on FB (believe it was on the Make The House Shake page) what they thought about the possibility that he and Laura Tiebert doing an expanded version of the book - expanding some chapters and the prologue as they have come across new information since the time they released the book. People were generally supportive of that but many seemed interested in a "next volume" picking up where they previously left off. Alex had stated in his initial comment that it would be quite a task and didn't seem that he was leaning in that direction - however, a comment was made by a follower that they would like a follow up at least covering 1989-2000 to which Laura had a positive reply. I think they both spent a tremendous amount of time on the project and, perhaps in time they will want to continue.

I hope so but that is a tremendous amount of work to cover years even up to 2000. I hope someone will take on the project of doing that in the future. Alex did include a segment about Prince's last days in the new edition.

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Reply #7 posted 09/04/17 1:31am

MMJas

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langebleu said:

Possessed: The Rise and Fall of Prince (Alex Hahn) was first published in 2003, covering Prince's career up until 2002.

The Rise of Prince: 1958-1988 was released earlier this year, co-authored by Alex Hahn and Laura Tiebert, drawing upon, and updating material from Alex's previous book, and providing a prologue covering the events of 2016.


You could try to contact Alex and ask him about whether he plans to write about the later years of Prince's career i.e. 2003-2015. He is a member here, and has posted previously:

http://prince.org/msg/7/438065

Thanks. So I guess it's impossible to get hold of the book covering his career up until 2002?

Also, I wonder why did he not update that one, instead of publishing a new one and stopping at 1988? It was a nice read, but too short.

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Reply #8 posted 09/04/17 11:31am

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MMJas said:

langebleu said:

Possessed: The Rise and Fall of Prince (Alex Hahn) was first published in 2003, covering Prince's career up until 2002.

The Rise of Prince: 1958-1988 was released earlier this year, co-authored by Alex Hahn and Laura Tiebert, drawing upon, and updating material from Alex's previous book, and providing a prologue covering the events of 2016.


You could try to contact Alex and ask him about whether he plans to write about the later years of Prince's career i.e. 2003-2015. He is a member here, and has posted previously:

http://prince.org/msg/7/438065

Thanks. So I guess it's impossible to get hold of the book covering his career up until 2002?

Also, I wonder why did he not update that one, instead of publishing a new one and stopping at 1988? It was a nice read, but too short.


Not impossible, but - as it's OOP, you might have to pay a lot on somewhere like eBay.

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Reply #9 posted 09/04/17 11:59am

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Musze said:



PennyPurple said:


If I remember correctly I asked him if there was going to be a follow up when we were doing the book club. He said that he MIGHT but it takes quite a bit of time to do a book, and right now he and Laura were pretty busy.



My contact with him during the book club, I found that he and Laura were very kind & polite.



If they ever decide to do a follow up, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.





That would be great if he could come full circle and complete one on the latter half of Prince's life.



YES, PLEASE, ALEX!!
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Reply #10 posted 09/04/17 2:31pm

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PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly I asked him if there was going to be a follow up when we were doing the book club. He said that he MIGHT but it takes quite a bit of time to do a book, and right now he and Laura were pretty busy.



My contact with him during the book club, I found that he and Laura were very kind & polite.



If they ever decide to do a follow up, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.



Me too. And you did a great job as moderator, Penny😊
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Reply #11 posted 09/04/17 4:10pm

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bsprout said:

PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly I asked him if there was going to be a follow up when we were doing the book club. He said that he MIGHT but it takes quite a bit of time to do a book, and right now he and Laura were pretty busy.


My contact with him during the book club, I found that he and Laura were very kind & polite.


If they ever decide to do a follow up, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Me too. And you did a great job as moderator, Penny😊

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Reply #12 posted 09/04/17 5:15pm

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A better question would be what were your motives for writing Possessed?

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Reply #13 posted 09/05/17 10:21am

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Hi all, glad to see the discussion here. As mentioned by one of the commenters, we've had a very helpful dialogue over at Make the House Shake, our Facebook group. We initially posed the question about whether to do a special edition of "The Rise of Prince" with expanded content. Several thought-provoking comments reopened a discussion of a potential Volume 2, the years it would span, etc. We first discussed covering 1989-2000 but are also debating whether it makes sense to cover Prince's life and work further into the 2000s.


The fact that people are interested and being encouraging about a Volume 2 is heartening. Still, bringing a book into being is not unlike bringing a baby into the world!


Meanwhile, I'm also starting work on a new book of my own, a sort-of "chicken soup for the soul" based on the life lessons learned from "The Rise of Prince." It's based on a presentation I gave to the Rotary Club of Chanhassen earlier this summer. Rotarians and Prince actually mixed better than I expected, ha! I think I can manage to write both books at the same time, as one is very fact-based and the other is conceptual.


Thanks to PennyPurple for organizing the book group discussion earlier this year, and special thanks to everyone here who's read our book, written a review, or shared their thoughts. We've found the open discussion on our FB page to be illuminating and if anyone here has input on a potential volume 2, we would welcome your thoughts.

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Reply #14 posted 09/05/17 12:52pm

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LauraTiebert said:

Hi all, glad to see the discussion here. As mentioned by one of the commenters, we've had a very helpful dialogue over at Make the House Shake, our Facebook group. We initially posed the question about whether to do a special edition of "The Rise of Prince" with expanded content. Several thought-provoking comments reopened a discussion of a potential Volume 2, the years it would span, etc. We first discussed covering 1989-2000 but are also debating whether it makes sense to cover Prince's life and work further into the 2000s.


The fact that people are interested and being encouraging about a Volume 2 is heartening. Still, bringing a book into being is not unlike bringing a baby into the world!


Meanwhile, I'm also starting work on a new book of my own, a sort-of "chicken soup for the soul" based on the life lessons learned from "The Rise of Prince." It's based on a presentation I gave to the Rotary Club of Chanhassen earlier this summer. Rotarians and Prince actually mixed better than I expected, ha! I think I can manage to write both books at the same time, as one is very fact-based and the other is conceptual.


Thanks to PennyPurple for organizing the book group discussion earlier this year, and special thanks to everyone here who's read our book, written a review, or shared their thoughts. We've found the open discussion on our FB page to be illuminating and if anyone here has input on a potential volume 2, we would welcome your thoughts.


Your new book sounds interesting, let us know when it's ready, I'll be buying it also. biggrin

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Reply #15 posted 09/05/17 3:40pm

MMJas

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LauraTiebert said:

Hi all, glad to see the discussion here. As mentioned by one of the commenters, we've had a very helpful dialogue over at Make the House Shake, our Facebook group. We initially posed the question about whether to do a special edition of "The Rise of Prince" with expanded content. Several thought-provoking comments reopened a discussion of a potential Volume 2, the years it would span, etc. We first discussed covering 1989-2000 but are also debating whether it makes sense to cover Prince's life and work further into the 2000s.


The fact that people are interested and being encouraging about a Volume 2 is heartening. Still, bringing a book into being is not unlike bringing a baby into the world!


Meanwhile, I'm also starting work on a new book of my own, a sort-of "chicken soup for the soul" based on the life lessons learned from "The Rise of Prince." It's based on a presentation I gave to the Rotary Club of Chanhassen earlier this summer. Rotarians and Prince actually mixed better than I expected, ha! I think I can manage to write both books at the same time, as one is very fact-based and the other is conceptual.


Thanks to PennyPurple for organizing the book group discussion earlier this year, and special thanks to everyone here who's read our book, written a review, or shared their thoughts. We've found the open discussion on our FB page to be illuminating and if anyone here has input on a potential volume 2, we would welcome your thoughts.

Hi, Laura, thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, a follow up book would be very interesting and I'm sure many people would be buying that. I enjoyed your book, liked the way it was written, all the research and information. Stopping at Prince in the 80s seems to be a "crime", imo, since both his career and life took many turns after Sign O' the Times. There was the major incident with Warner Bros, the slave periods, his marriage and the loss of his son, Prince the family man, the opening up more, all his charity work that I believe should really be mentioned, his continued proteges and collaborators, the body of work he continued to create, his chosen forms of releasing new albums/material, the 21 nights in London, I could be here all night. There is way more richness to be discussed further. I believe this will take you guys some time, but you already have more written up until 2000, right? I'm sorry for my English, I hope I managed to express myself well enough.

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Reply #16 posted 09/06/17 4:54am

LauraTiebert

Your English is more than fine! Yes, we do have more material already at our disposal. In addition, since Prince's death, information continues to surface - in published books, a bazillion articles, podcasts and more. That presents its own unique challenges, in wading through the available information and making sense of it all. But it's certainly preferable to a lack of information.


There's a long streak of loss starting in the late 90s and extending about 10 years, when Prince loses his parents, son, and two marriages. Anyone who's lived into middle age has experienced stretches of hardship and challenge, and it would be simultaneously difficult and meaningful to write about that period. At the same time, there's amazing music being made, and certainly the Superbowl could be a fitting capstone for the book (similar to how Paisley Park ends its tours on that high note).

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Reply #17 posted 09/06/17 9:34am

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muleFunk said:

A better question would be what were your motives for writing Possessed?

We know their motives. Someone is going to come along a do a really good documentary on Prince about his music and his life.

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Reply #18 posted 09/06/17 5:27pm

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laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

A better question would be what were your motives for writing Possessed?

We know their motives. Someone is going to come along a do a really good documentary on Prince about his music and his life.

I hope its Spike Lee ...some one who genuinely LOVED Prince , and had a relationship with him...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #19 posted 09/06/17 5:59pm

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laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

A better question would be what were your motives for writing Possessed?

We know their motives. Someone is going to come along a do a really good documentary on Prince about his music and his life.

yes Thank you, Laura. I really hope so. Someone who respects his legacy.

I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
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Reply #20 posted 09/06/17 11:55pm

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Spike Lee? If he does something about Prince like he did about those Michael Jackson albums... then it'll not be the documentary I want.

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I guess it's time for Wendy & Lisa to do something about Prince's life. Maybe with Susan Rogers. At least they tell the real story as opposed to the Prince myth.

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On a more serious note, I think a "part two" to this book would be great, but I think that the time it would take to create is going to be years.. I'd buy the book in a minute and offer any help I can give, but I think it's going to be a major investment of time by whoever is going to attempt this. It definitely is not going to be a financially sound decision, as I think the revenue of such an attempt is not going to be much.

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However, if you can make the time, Alex and Laura, then please do. We need more well balanced, well researched and well written books about Prince.

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Reply #21 posted 09/07/17 1:18am

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mediumdry said:

Spike Lee? If he does something about Prince like he did about those Michael Jackson albums... then it'll not be the documentary I want.

.

I guess it's time for Wendy & Lisa to do something about Prince's life. Maybe with Susan Rogers. At least they tell the real story as opposed to the Prince myth.

.

On a more serious note, I think a "part two" to this book would be great, but I think that the time it would take to create is going to be years.. I'd buy the book in a minute and offer any help I can give, but I think it's going to be a major investment of time by whoever is going to attempt this. It definitely is not going to be a financially sound decision, as I think the revenue of such an attempt is not going to be much.

.

However, if you can make the time, Alex and Laura, then please do. We need more well balanced, well researched and well written books about Prince.

Im selected Spike Lee for his heart,

as For Wendy and Lisa...Im more interested in Prince after 2004..From Musicology onwards he made massive shifts in his behavoiurs and grew up, not without struggle, but

he achieved a gentlemanly status, known for his patience, love and generosity.

Im interested in Princes evolution not just as a Musician, but as a person,

because thats where we will all Learn the most.

Finances, a person who has the heart to do it properly will easily raise the finances to do so...

and its not all about making Money either.

Its about honouring a person who has affected both black and white history,

in profound ways.

Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Cut me, cut U
Both the blood is red

I gotcha

Race
Race
(Face the music)



D-d-down with H-I-S-T-O-R-Y and all this BS propagandi
Keepin U from me and me from U as we grow
I don't wanna know (I don't wanna know)
Why those before us hated each other

I'd rather believe they never did
I'd rather believe (I'd rather, I'd rather believe)
That there's hope 4 a kid

#controversy

Prince is an extremely RARE Individual,

He lived his life Fully as Himself, allowing spontaneous expression to manifest as

beautiful art.I have never known anyone, ever ,who was as FREE as He.

Currently the world is being told all about his musical abilities, in this hyper early years ,

however, his creativity expanded, beyond music, and his mind came to embrace all religious doctrines as One Song..

I am a grandmother of three, Ive seen a thing or two in this life

but Prince is WAY..

He really cant be explained easily,

a religion unto his own self....

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #22 posted 09/07/17 3:02am

MMJas

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LauraTiebert said:

Your English is more than fine! Yes, we do have more material already at our disposal. In addition, since Prince's death, information continues to surface - in published books, a bazillion articles, podcasts and more. That presents its own unique challenges, in wading through the available information and making sense of it all. But it's certainly preferable to a lack of information.


There's a long streak of loss starting in the late 90s and extending about 10 years, when Prince loses his parents, son, and two marriages. Anyone who's lived into middle age has experienced stretches of hardship and challenge, and it would be simultaneously difficult and meaningful to write about that period. At the same time, there's amazing music being made, and certainly the Superbowl could be a fitting capstone for the book (similar to how Paisley Park ends its tours on that high note).

Thanks.

Interesting, cause that's where he said his written memoires would end, the Superbowl.

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Reply #23 posted 09/07/17 4:22am

LauraTiebert

laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

A better question would be what were your motives for writing Possessed?

We know their motives. Someone is going to come along a do a really good documentary on Prince about his music and his life.

You know our motives? What exactly do you think they are? Please explain yourself.

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Reply #24 posted 09/07/17 4:26am

LauraTiebert

mediumdry said:

Spike Lee? If he does something about Prince like he did about those Michael Jackson albums... then it'll not be the documentary I want.

.

I guess it's time for Wendy & Lisa to do something about Prince's life. Maybe with Susan Rogers. At least they tell the real story as opposed to the Prince myth.

.

On a more serious note, I think a "part two" to this book would be great, but I think that the time it would take to create is going to be years.. I'd buy the book in a minute and offer any help I can give, but I think it's going to be a major investment of time by whoever is going to attempt this. It definitely is not going to be a financially sound decision, as I think the revenue of such an attempt is not going to be much.

.

However, if you can make the time, Alex and Laura, then please do. We need more well balanced, well researched and well written books about Prince.

Thanks for this thoughtful input. We are also aware that to do a part 2 well is a huge investment of time and energy, and without an advance from a traditional publisher, we will have no compensation to carry us through. Not to be undertaken lightly!

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Reply #25 posted 09/07/17 9:23am

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MMJas said:

LauraTiebert said:

Your English is more than fine! Yes, we do have more material already at our disposal. In addition, since Prince's death, information continues to surface - in published books, a bazillion articles, podcasts and more. That presents its own unique challenges, in wading through the available information and making sense of it all. But it's certainly preferable to a lack of information.


There's a long streak of loss starting in the late 90s and extending about 10 years, when Prince loses his parents, son, and two marriages. Anyone who's lived into middle age has experienced stretches of hardship and challenge, and it would be simultaneously difficult and meaningful to write about that period. At the same time, there's amazing music being made, and certainly the Superbowl could be a fitting capstone for the book (similar to how Paisley Park ends its tours on that high note).

Thanks.

Interesting, cause that's where he said his written memoires would end, the Superbowl.

Ironically, that's where Bruce Springsteen's recent autobiography ends...

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
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Reply #26 posted 09/07/17 10:21am

LauraTiebert

Wow, now that you mention it, I do recall that Prince said he'd end on the Superbowl. Thanks for the reminder! He did know how to tell a story, that's for sure. About Springsteen - great catch. I guess he was taking a page out of Prince's playbook. We'll be back with updates on our decision and as always are grateful for the input and support.

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Reply #27 posted 09/07/17 12:15pm

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luvgirl said:



laurarichardson said:




muleFunk said:


A better question would be what were your motives for writing Possessed?



We know their motives. Someone is going to come along a do a really good documentary on Prince about his music and his life.




yes Thank you, Laura. I really hope so. Someone who respects his legacy.



And corrects facts that were proven not to be true.
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Reply #28 posted 09/08/17 2:26am

MMJas

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Vashtix said:

luvgirl said:

yes Thank you, Laura. I really hope so. Someone who respects his legacy.

And corrects facts that were proven not to be true.

Like what, for instance?

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Reply #29 posted 09/08/17 8:51pm

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mediumdry said:

Spike Lee? If he does something about Prince like he did about those Michael Jackson albums... then it'll not be the documentary I want.


.


I guess it's time for Wendy & Lisa to do something about Prince's life. Maybe with Susan Rogers. At least they tell the real story as opposed to the Prince myth.


.


On a more serious note, I think a "part two" to this book would be great, but I think that the time it would take to create is going to be years.. I'd buy the book in a minute and offer any help I can give, but I think it's going to be a major investment of time by whoever is going to attempt this. It definitely is not going to be a financially sound decision, as I think the revenue of such an attempt is not going to be much.


.


However, if you can make the time, Alex and Laura, then please do. We need more well balanced, well researched and well written books about Prince.


--Let the whitewash begin. Well Spilke has already said when things settle down he is going to work with the family to do a documentary. So get ready. Makes no sense that people he had not worked with in years should be the experts but you know that had to teach Prince about jazz and he was not even grateful.
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