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Thread started 07/09/17 3:05am

DesperatelySee
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Cherry Moon origins

Hey all!

Can anyone out there provide insight as to the origins of Under The Cherry Moon? What I mean is, whose idea was it to begin with? I assume Prince's...but in this case, as with Purple Rain, was he jotting down notes in a purple (or in the case, black and white) notebook? How did screenwriter Becky Johnston get on board? And Mary Lambert?, etc...

There's a lot out there on how Purple Rain and even Grafitti Bridge got started, but not much about UTCM. I'm always curious as to how this project got greenlighted and evolved. Any thoughts? Thanks!
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Reply #1 posted 07/09/17 3:13am

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Here's an online summary:

http://princevault.com/in...herry_Moon

As far as I'm aware, apart from the colour of Prince's notebook. all of your questions are documented online (aricles and interviews) and in several well-known books on Prince.

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Reply #2 posted 07/09/17 3:37am

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langebleu said:

Here's an online summary:

http://princevault.com/in...herry_Moon

As far as I'm aware, apart from the colour of Prince's notebook. all of your questions are documented online (aricles and interviews) and in several well-known books on Prince.



Thanks! I guess I also just want to know how this particular idea got into Prince's head. Like, why the Hollywood nostalgia, the French obsession, etc? And I wonder what his bandmtes and management thought of the idea. I guess it wouldn't have mattered anyway since he was basically given all that freedom after Purple Rain.
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Reply #3 posted 07/09/17 6:42am

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DesperatelySeekingSusan said:

langebleu said:

Here's an online summary:

http://princevault.com/in...herry_Moon

As far as I'm aware, apart from the colour of Prince's notebook. all of your questions are documented online (aricles and interviews) and in several well-known books on Prince.



Thanks! I guess I also just want to know how this particular idea got into Prince's head. Like, why the Hollywood nostalgia, the French obsession, etc? And I wonder what his bandmtes and management thought of the idea. I guess it wouldn't have mattered anyway since he was basically given all that freedom after Purple Rain.

He did not write the screenplay. He actually selected it.
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Reply #4 posted 07/09/17 9:57am

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Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career. He finally wised up with 3chainsOgold. Too little too late tho. Sigh.
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Reply #5 posted 07/09/17 10:13am

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Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career. He finally wised up with 3chainsOgold. Too little too late tho. Sigh.

UTCM is magnificent! And I thought that even before I became a'proper' Prince fan...It's a deliberate pastiche on films of the genre; it's funny, and the cinematography is exquisite...Horses for courses, I guess - but it never ceases to amaze me how this little gem gets such a knocking...I personally prefer it to PR, but there we go! biggrin

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luv2tha99s said:


Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career. He finally wised up with 3chainsOgold. Too little too late tho. Sigh.


UTCM is magnificent! And I thought that even before I became a'proper' Prince fan...It's a deliberate pastiche on films of the genre; it's funny, and the cinematography is exquisite...Horses for courses, I guess - but it never ceases to amaze me how this little gem gets such a knocking...I personally prefer it to PR, but there we go! biggrin


I saw it opening day and liked it. I've come to love parts of it. GB as well. Working in the film industry however has made me become a more critical thinker of movies. Its a so-bad-it's-good flick for me. I do love the look and sound of it and appreciate the love letter to old movies that it is. As a Prince film career builder; not so much. This should have been a fourth or fifth film from P. Made after he solidified his "brand" as a movie star. He had just a little too much hubris and not enough experience.
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Reply #7 posted 07/09/17 12:05pm

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luv2tha99s said:

Dibblekins said:

UTCM is magnificent! And I thought that even before I became a'proper' Prince fan...It's a deliberate pastiche on films of the genre; it's funny, and the cinematography is exquisite...Horses for courses, I guess - but it never ceases to amaze me how this little gem gets such a knocking...I personally prefer it to PR, but there we go! biggrin

I saw it opening day and liked it. I've come to love parts of it. GB as well. Working in the film industry however has made me become a more critical thinker of movies. Its a so-bad-it's-good flick for me. I do love the look and sound of it and appreciate the love letter to old movies that it is. As a Prince film career builder; not so much. This should have been a fourth or fifth film from P. Made after he solidified his "brand" as a movie star. He had just a little too much hubris and not enough experience. [Edited 7/9/17 10:56am] [Edited 7/9/17 10:57am]

I agree that it didn't do his career as a film-star much good - but I tend to put that down to executives lacking imagination and flexibility rather than it being a 'turkey', lol! Also, I find 'Three Chains of Gold' far less engaging - it lacks the charm and wit of UTCM; it's self-conscious and humourless - but P is gorgeous in it, and the music is great, which for us die-hard fans is probably sufficient!

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Reply #8 posted 07/09/17 2:09pm

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Dibblekins said:

luv2tha99s said:

Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career. He finally wised up with 3chainsOgold. Too little too late tho. Sigh.

UTCM is magnificent! And I thought that even before I became a'proper' Prince fan...It's a deliberate pastiche on films of the genre; it's funny, and the cinematography is exquisite...Horses for courses, I guess - but it never ceases to amaze me how this little gem gets such a knocking...I personally prefer it to PR, but there we go! biggrin

ya, i still believe prince could have been a good filmaker, some of the cinemetoghraphy shows talent. Vanity projects like this usually don't work out though because of the ego of the star. Harlem Nights was hated by critics and bruce lee was given his obligatory vanity project with Way Of The Dragon, like UTCM his fans either loved or hated it. Prince thought he could do the same things he did with music, do it all his way, but without some experience, that's too much for just about anyone not named Welles to take on.

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Reply #9 posted 07/09/17 2:12pm

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ironically, i was just thinking about it last night as i watched Dracula, the original. A film that i guess was cutting edge at the time but somewhat corny by our standards today. Lugosi was great in it though and prince was obviously a fan.

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Reply #10 posted 07/09/17 5:59pm

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also, i just watched a docu on lugosi, interesting guy, much more talented than his main role gave a hint at, but he also was a guy who got hooked on opiates for pain manageamant, he was the first major star to publicly admit it.

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Reply #11 posted 07/09/17 5:59pm

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also, i just watched a docu on lugosi, interesting guy, much more talented than his main role gave a hint at, but he also was a guy who got hooked on opiates for pain manageamant, he was the first major star to publicly admit it.

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Reply #12 posted 07/09/17 8:24pm

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DesperatelySeekingSusan said:

langebleu said:

Here's an online summary:

http://princevault.com/in...herry_Moon

As far as I'm aware, apart from the colour of Prince's notebook. all of your questions are documented online (aricles and interviews) and in several well-known books on Prince.

Thanks! I guess I also just want to know how this particular idea got into Prince's head. Like, why the Hollywood nostalgia, the French obsession, etc? And I wonder what his bandmtes and management thought of the idea. I guess it wouldn't have mattered anyway since he was basically given all that freedom after Purple Rain.

Condition of the Heart was an early 'script' of the movie.

Prince has always been into 1940's movies and stars/starletts. A big fan of Charlie Chaplin.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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luv2tha99s said:

Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career. He finally wised up with 3chainsOgold. Too little too late tho. Sigh.

What we got on screen was the result of Prince's take over. There is a different alternate scene that does not end with Christopher dying. And we've seen a lot of other scenes 'opening' and throught the movie that did not make the cut.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #14 posted 07/09/17 8:34pm

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and while we're at it, I personally never thought Purple Rain as a movie was that good, Kurt Loder said "it was a great movie!" as a Prince fan, who was just getting more fanatical about him, it was a great intro to him, of course the music was great, the performances were stellar and Prince had charisma (as well as Morris) but the acting was mostly atrocious. It was more a timing thing, I think, for those of us who were dying to hear/see Prince, he gave us plenty. I have to say though, were there any cringeworthy moments in PR? oh yea, the one where he tries to say 'motherfucka" .

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Reply #15 posted 07/11/17 6:21am

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UTCM is a good movie

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Reply #16 posted 07/11/17 2:19pm

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luv4u said:

UTCM is a good movie

it's not that bad, and with his death, i was glad to see him in any role, including graffiti bridge.

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Reply #17 posted 07/11/17 3:35pm

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luv2tha99s said:

Dibblekins said:

UTCM is magnificent! And I thought that even before I became a'proper' Prince fan...It's a deliberate pastiche on films of the genre; it's funny, and the cinematography is exquisite...Horses for courses, I guess - but it never ceases to amaze me how this little gem gets such a knocking...I personally prefer it to PR, but there we go! biggrin

I saw it opening day and liked it. I've come to love parts of it. GB as well. Working in the film industry however has made me become a more critical thinker of movies. Its a so-bad-it's-good flick for me. I do love the look and sound of it and appreciate the love letter to old movies that it is. As a Prince film career builder; not so much. This should have been a fourth or fifth film from P. Made after he solidified his "brand" as a movie star. He had just a little too much hubris and not enough experience. [Edited 7/9/17 10:56am] [Edited 7/9/17 10:57am]


Au contraire.
If "Purple Rain" was a pure american product, a melting-pot american dream, UTCM was tailored for the european audience. It may not have been that intentional, but I can't tell you the fervour it spawned in France. The most exciting artist rocker suddenly diving into finesse? Pure bliss.
It's also a huge nod to John L.

As for coming too early, it's precisely what I admire. Any other artist in his position would have been extra careful not to jeopardize his hard acquired status. Talk about bollocks. But it's surprisingly humble: A piano bar player, selling his body to make ends meet? What great self-mockery! It already told a lot about Prince's views on the music business.


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The colors are brighter, the bond is much tighter
You know no child's a failure
Until the blue sailboat sails him away from his dreams
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Reply #18 posted 07/12/17 11:20am

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what does the 'Cherry Moon' actually mean?

did it come from this in Minniapolis?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #19 posted 07/12/17 8:12pm

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bonatoc said:



luv2tha99s said:


Dibblekins said:



UTCM is magnificent! And I thought that even before I became a'proper' Prince fan...It's a deliberate pastiche on films of the genre; it's funny, and the cinematography is exquisite...Horses for courses, I guess - but it never ceases to amaze me how this little gem gets such a knocking...I personally prefer it to PR, but there we go! biggrin



I saw it opening day and liked it. I've come to love parts of it. GB as well. Working in the film industry however has made me become a more critical thinker of movies. Its a so-bad-it's-good flick for me. I do love the look and sound of it and appreciate the love letter to old movies that it is. As a Prince film career builder; not so much. This should have been a fourth or fifth film from P. Made after he solidified his "brand" as a movie star. He had just a little too much hubris and not enough experience. [Edited 7/9/17 10:56am] [Edited 7/9/17 10:57am]


Au contraire.
If "Purple Rain" was a pure american product, a melting-pot american dream, UTCM was tailored for the european audience. It may not have been that intentional, but I can't tell you the fervour it spawned in France. The most exciting artist rocker suddenly diving into finesse? Pure bliss.
It's also a huge nod to John L.

As for coming too early, it's precisely what I admire. Any other artist in his position would have been extra careful not to jeopardize his hard acquired status. Talk about bollocks. But it's surprisingly humble: A piano bar player, selling his body to make ends meet? What great self-mockery! It already told a lot about Prince's views on the music business.



Hmm. Never thought about the self-mockery angle. that's an interesting point. However, the film going public in America isn't as appreciative as it's European contingent. Folks here ( with exceptions of course), will allow their film heroes a bit of leeway with their creative endeavors but if they go too far right or left with their choices they will lose the American audience. At least the popular audience. Which is ironic because that's exactly what happened with his recording career. I admire his bold choices but also I'm crushed by the missed opportunities that could have been.
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Reply #20 posted 07/12/17 9:50pm

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I don't think he wanted those "oppurtunities" at the time. Prince was a true maverick so he knew that that kind of success was stifling. It's why he cut the purple rain tour short, he was tired of it, of the fame, of the music, of the hoopla. he said in some interview that the breaking point was when some stagehand hit him in the mouth with his guitar as he was suppossed to go onstage. that kind of fame is so conditional and restrictive. Prince, if he cared, would not even have ruined his golden hollywood moment with the bodyguards/photographer/we are the world fiasco. that kind of phony shit would have made him bigger, he didn't want it. I do wonder if he regretted not milking the shit out of 1984 for as long as he could have. He did seem conflicted, caring and not caring about record sales. His lackluster sales seemed to bother him in his last few years so we know that he did care somewhat.

luv2tha99s said:

bonatoc said:


Au contraire.
If "Purple Rain" was a pure american product, a melting-pot american dream, UTCM was tailored for the european audience. It may not have been that intentional, but I can't tell you the fervour it spawned in France. The most exciting artist rocker suddenly diving into finesse? Pure bliss.
It's also a huge nod to John L.

As for coming too early, it's precisely what I admire. Any other artist in his position would have been extra careful not to jeopardize his hard acquired status. Talk about bollocks. But it's surprisingly humble: A piano bar player, selling his body to make ends meet? What great self-mockery! It already told a lot about Prince's views on the music business.


Hmm. Never thought about the self-mockery angle. that's an interesting point. However, the film going public in America isn't as appreciative as it's European contingent. Folks here ( with exceptions of course), will allow their film heroes a bit of leeway with their creative endeavors but if they go too far right or left with their choices they will lose the American audience. At least the popular audience. Which is ironic because that's exactly what happened with his recording career. I admire his bold choices but also I'm crushed by the missed opportunities that could have been. [Edited 7/12/17 20:14pm] [Edited 7/12/17 20:15pm]

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Reply #21 posted 07/18/17 12:29pm

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I don't like UTCM because none of the characters ( including Prince ) are that likeable. Mary is too posh, I don't like Steven Berkoff and the script is lame. Prince's facial expressions are way over the top and Prince overacts wildly in his death scene.

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Reply #22 posted 07/18/17 12:56pm

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I knew someone who was not a Prince fan, who would refer to her time of the month as the Cherry Moon.

Not sure if this is a common reference or not, but it would be Prince like to romanticize the term & still have a double meaning attached.

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Reply #23 posted 07/18/17 2:42pm

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luv2tha99s said:

Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career.

I like UTCM,but if Prince was trying to have a credible film career,this is not the project he should have chosen as the follow-up to Purple Rain.Releasing a black-and-white movie in 1986 was risky.

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Reply #24 posted 07/18/17 3:51pm

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luv2tha99s said:

Wow. Can't believe Warners agreed to this production without reading the script. I bet that never happened again. P should have let this turkey go straight to video. Same with GB. It was the one-two punch that ended his film career.

I like UTCM,but if Prince was trying to have a credible film career,this is not the project he should have chosen as the follow-up to Purple Rain.Releasing a black-and-white movie in 1986 was risky.

they say it was originally in color and that they redid it b/w. Prince could have done a lot more with film, a lot more. it's too bad he was too stubborn to find good allies and listen to anyone.

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Reply #25 posted 07/19/17 11:24am

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I don't like UTCM because none of the characters ( including Prince ) are that likeable. Mary is too posh, I don't like Steven Berkoff and the script is lame. Prince's facial expressions are way over the top and Prince overacts wildly in his death scene.

The soundtrack ( Parade ) was better than the film.

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