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Reply #150 posted 06/27/17 2:42pm

PeteSilas

djThunderfunk said:

thx185 said:

It might just be your tape player(s) that are playing it faster. I think it's pretty common to find some variation in playback speeds.


I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

hmmm

someone should know, i remember a thread about it years ago, but i can't find it. I still have my cassettes too and they played the same whether on stereo or on walkman, i'm pretty sure the cassette was sped up slightly to fit on one tape, the album was a double one so there was no need. Anyway, not that important, just bringing it up to mention how irate we would have been at the time. Or even about the demo quality on his 2 and 3 albums, we'd tear it apart.

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Reply #151 posted 06/27/17 3:03pm

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PeteSilas said:

djThunderfunk said:


I have 1999 on vinyl, cass, CD & 180gm vinyl. I did an A/B(/C/D) test on a couple songs and noticed no speed differences. Wondering if Pete experienced a song sped up or the whole album?

Interestingly, being a double album, it would not be unusual for cassettes of this album to drag, and play slow, on some players. I would think if the deck was playing too fast it would be noticed on all albums, not just 1999.

hmmm

someone should know, i remember a thread about it years ago, but i can't find it. I still have my cassettes too and they played the same whether on stereo or on walkman, i'm pretty sure the cassette was sped up slightly to fit on one tape, the album was a double one so there was no need. [snip]

One more tangent thought - as a teen in the 80s sometimes my walkman & even car tape deck seemed to play things slower at times. Certain songs would sound slower than usual. It never occurred to me at the time, but looking back I wonder if changing battery strength in the walkman could cause that - and in the car, comparable electrical system variation. Sometimes it seemed like the louder I played it, the slower it went. smile

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Reply #152 posted 06/27/17 6:37pm

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macaylasdad said:

so my question is this...if Prince oversaw the remastering of this and delivered it to WB...how didn't anyone know this?

Know what? That he delivered it? We did.... Prince tweeted about it, saying it was in their hands.

with the poor sound quality....

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Reply #153 posted 06/28/17 12:16am

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KingSausage said:




I'm afraid we're gonna need your Prince card, sir. It's been nice knowing you. I have faith that Katy Perry and shitty iPhone earbuds will treat you well. lol


lol

You ain't takin shit!! And fuck Katy Perry!

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I will fuck Katy Perry. You don't nees to tell me twice. As for this one give THE Prince card back.... whats that Candy? That's but we need to check the passport? Remove the shoes?.
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Reply #154 posted 06/28/17 1:07am

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I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.

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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.

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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...

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Reply #155 posted 06/28/17 1:13am

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honer said:

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

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Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

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Reply #156 posted 06/28/17 1:15am

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PurpleMedley122 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing. cool

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CB was already brickwalled to hell before it reached the mastering stage.

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Reply #157 posted 06/28/17 3:06am

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BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.

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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.

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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...


That is very interesting indeed!

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

If this was the first round of The Apprentice, I doubt Prince nor WB would make it to round two!!


lol lol

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Reply #158 posted 06/28/17 4:05am

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darkroman said:

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

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Reply #159 posted 06/28/17 4:48am

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BartVanHemelen said:

darkroman said:

In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.



Yes for sure!!

It's sad the partnership didn't end up being one of respect and collaboration - then everyone wins.

Oh well sad

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Reply #160 posted 06/28/17 6:25am

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BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

This is why remasters are bollocks, nothing wrong with the original in the first place and no frigger is happy when they do it!

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Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

And I have heard a proper one, don't assume things

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Reply #161 posted 06/28/17 7:40am

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PurpleMedley122 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

The quality of the tracks on that set were excellent despite tbe differing ages of the tracks, so someone knew what they were doing.

[Edited 6/27/17 11:28am]

Crystal Ball was mastered by Brian Gardener at Bernie Grudmann Mastering, in other words, a professional who knows what he's doing. cool

That explains it, they should book him out for 6/12 months to complete the rest then!

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Reply #162 posted 06/28/17 7:52am

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honer said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Spoken as someone who's never heard a proper one.

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

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Stop making stuff up. You obviously don't know what a remaster is.

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Reply #163 posted 06/28/17 9:39am

7salles

I think that Prince had a impaired ear after all this time playing loud music on a daily basis. I am sure the mastering sounded fine to him. I liked the master because i heard some sounds i had never noticed before, but it does have lots of sonic flaws.

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Reply #164 posted 06/28/17 11:52am

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BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.


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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.


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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...


.. I am not sure I agree or disagree with the fuck the fans necessarily, but by proxy for the fans who feel fucked I can see neing so like ALRIGHT eith the Purple Rain YOU ENGINEER THAT IS HERE do whatever it is you do and i dont know turn it up change the eq a bit... then he listens to it and Prince says. YUP sounds like Purple Rain to me, send it to WBR get my MF masters (money into the cuss jar) and whether whether it was a fuck WBR I am not sure. PURPLE RAIN IS his masterpiece that he would always be most proud pf byt imagine how many motherfucking times he has heard it.. playing it live is different, there are phases where you think ok lets go crazy uh somebody scream, and other nights pr periods you could be stoked. The song Purple Rain on most tours ranged from like seriously 3 min and 23 min the next night.
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BUT just imagine how many fucking times he has heard the record. WHICH IS WHY it is a really bad idea to do it yourself... its burned in yiur brain and the OCD youll play with it until it is some beautiful disaster which would somehow be amazing becsuse it is PRINCE but no PRINCE
DONT and he did it but dont then go I will hand my 30 year old mastpiece to HITNRUN who is in house optimizing shit for streaming services. Maybe Prince thought more sales as it would if it sounded more like things do now and appeal to more people. No, I dont know. Bizarre is all i got.

(Any MUSICIANS and you too MANAGERS that could be involved with remastering ANYTHING from your catalog, Your only imvolvement is to decide what you want an old skool straight up remaster, a remix/remaster in addition, just stero, 5.1 also and i guess ehat yiu call the vibe. You decided? Great!
Now HAND YOUR MASTERS TO GRUNDMAN OR HOFFMAN and BACK0l AWAY very slowly. Its gomma be ok. you have done yoir job. look for never befpre seen pictures or something)
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Reply #165 posted 06/28/17 12:47pm

TheAStarr

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BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.


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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.


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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...


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Other than there are other versions of songs the old skool bootleg buyers or oh my, TRH (can we get that goimg again, or isit?), but other than knowing songs and lyrics years before The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale, throw sway changes made snd what you hoped for and that album is NOT a shit ton of contractual obligation... I WILL GIVE YOU A RECORD DEAL AND THEN FIGHT WITH YOU AND I WILL HAPPILY ACCEPT THAT ALBUM TO EXIT YOUR CONTRACT.
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Honestly, Chaos and Disorder there are a few songs that make it to the playlist (actually and not just for political reasons but in combination with my head just will pop a "Chaos and disorder.. ruling my world my today" dont sing it even just kinda apoken as one would when you are also doing that wtf prince head shake/smirk. That was your TMI for the day.
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But i went as a teenager somewhere between id guess 13 and 15 to buy VAN HALENS GREATEST HITS Volume 1 (its a volume.. dont worry more hits are on the way?)
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But I get there and i am really unsure if i even liked prince and if so, how much and what..may mh uncle had the symbol album or gold? Who knows. i waa there for van halen but right next to it waa TV:OF4S and that odd picture on the cover. I must have stood there for 20 min. All thede van halen hits I knew plus ph that new song with david lee roth, but i kept looking at prince. I knew nothing anlbput this, i would havr seen a video or somthing... my gut said BUY THE PRINCE...i gave in and did and thank GOD.
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Personally I love that funky jazzy album. I am always amazed how people this many years later i resurface and it still gets trashed. Sorry i got OT but its not because the album was the first Prince I bought..
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Why do people HATE on Old friends 4 Sale, its smooth jazzy funky goodness.
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Reply #166 posted 06/28/17 12:56pm

PeteSilas

7salles said:

I this that Prince had a impaired ear after all this time playing loud music on a daily basis. I am sure the mastering sounded fine to him. I liked the master because i heard some sounds i had never noticed before, but it does have lots of sonic flaws.

that's what i wondered, it's actually just an occupational hazard in that business, hell, i probably incurred damage from just going to two of his concerts. Lots of folks in the business are deaf.

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Reply #167 posted 06/28/17 6:09pm

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I haven't posted on here for a while but had to chime in on this. I predicted years ago that when remasters finally arrived, people would be disappointed and the much-maligned original CDs would be regarded as better. I see this has come to pass.

In any case, I hope this sells a zillion copies and persuades Warner to release more stuff for Prince fans.
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Reply #168 posted 06/28/17 7:19pm

luvsexy4all

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

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Reply #169 posted 06/29/17 12:53am

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luvsexy4all said:

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

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How 'bout Googling?

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Reply #170 posted 06/29/17 1:31am

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BartVanHemelen said:



luvsexy4all said:


dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 .....is this out there?????



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How 'bout Googling?


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Reply #171 posted 06/29/17 1:32am

PeteSilas

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/review-princes-purple-rain-deluxe-edition-reissues-w489147

rs gave it five stars, i'm gonna check amazon now and see if they are as pissed as you guys are.

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Reply #172 posted 06/29/17 1:41am

PeteSilas

here's amazon, generally, it's well rated but it's hard to know how serious the fanship is on there:https://www.amazon.com/Purple-Rain-Deluxe-Expanded-1DVD/product-reviews/B0718ZCS6B/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=CXXZZT3TAXCD7YM2047H&pageNumber=2

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Reply #173 posted 06/29/17 6:42am

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BartVanHemelen said:

luvsexy4all said:

dr funk says there is a bernie g remaster for Rhino from 2011 ........is this out there?????

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How 'bout Googling?

Just tried to Google this and can't find any information.

Discogs mentions a 2013 FLAC release from Rhino... Is that it? Is that actually available anywhere?

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Reply #174 posted 06/29/17 7:19am

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BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

I want to hear the original one not the one they could of made if they've of had access to todays technology at the time.

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Stop making stuff up. You obviously don't know what a remaster is.

rolleyes

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Reply #175 posted 06/29/17 2:23pm

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This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.

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Reply #176 posted 06/29/17 4:53pm

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:



darkroman said:



In my line of work I would never accept anything considered substandard - I would push it back.

I suppose WB are equally to blame as they have accepted the work and published it.



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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.


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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.


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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.



You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness. This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project.

Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster.

And if they don't will you still blame Prince?
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Reply #177 posted 06/29/17 5:29pm

PeteSilas

for my money, nothing was wrong with the first version of purple rain, cassette, vinyl, whatever. I bought the deluxe for the extras and they are worth it for the prince. edit (freudian slip, i meant Price, not Prince, but same difference).

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Reply #178 posted 06/29/17 6:11pm

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see this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/3/444136

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Reply #179 posted 06/30/17 1:47am

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jdcxc said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.

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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.

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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.

You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

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I haven't, they've done plenty wrong.

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Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness.

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Yes there is: for instance the sorry state the estate is in, or the apparent utter mess Prince's vault is in, etc. Prince had 20 years to collaborate with them to deliver a great package, and instead he sabotaged them after signing a deal in 2014 and delivered a rubbish remaster.

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Blaming this solely on one company is ridiculous: in the end there's only so much they can do. That said, they've not done themselves any favors here and missed a ton of opportunities.

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This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project. Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster. And if they don't will you still blame Prince?

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Without proper cooperation from the estate and without decent budgets to work with (and those are likely dependent on the success of PR Deluxe), I fear it will be disappointment all the way.

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But this thread is solely about disc one, and quite frankly Warners can only work with what Prince gave them.

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