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Thread started 05/18/17 5:04pm

CharismaDove

Prince and the Occult

Browsing through the forums I found a really interesting thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/232204?&pg=1) about Prince's interest in the occult in the early 80s. Now, I'm not say Prince was part of the Occult/worshipped Satan but I strongly believe he incorporated certain elements of it into his music. I believe Prince used it to shock and cause controversy and set himself apart, but one has to wonder about the inner conflict he might have faced that made him go down that road. I know a lot of people don't like talking about this. And for those who think every word I've said so far is horse shit, feel free to visit another thread of your liking. I dig it that some people don't believe in the Devil/God. Just remember that Prince most def believed in the concept of Satan, and knew some of the things he was doing back in the 80s was purposely controversial.

To clarify -- Im not judging Prince for a small part of his life, I believe he moved on past this phase and long atoned for whatever bad vibes he was putting out early on. But some of Prince's work points to, at the very least, knowledge of the occult. In fact, 'Do whatever you want, as long as nobody gets hurt.' A central theme of Prince's most famous work. Also the main rule of the Church of Satan. js.

Some interesting posts from Blackguitaristz who witnessed all this as from a fanatic's view when it was happening:

'Man, I wish there was a way to pull up old threads. It was a very good and very insightful thread on here by some insightful cats. They were on the money with references P used to drop here and there during the early 80's (which are very obvious) regarding things satanic. Even in the 90's, it was brought up, during his "Gold" period. Shit I wasn't aware of. I've been told by people that knew P or had worked with P over time, that yeah, he DEFINATELY dabbled in the occult. I say this, if he didn't, he wanted people to think that he did. I've mentioned this a few times in the past that during the Controvery period, girls, especially black girls, thought for certain that P was evil. The album cover to Controversy gave them the straight up creeps. They said his eyes scared them. That he didn't "look" right in his eyes. Thus, that's why I certainly believe that's why he put his eye on the center of the record on the 1999 album. But yeah, many of u simply weren't around or wasn't into P during 80-83. So, u have NO idea what it was like when P was like he was during this period. So ya'll can't really defend shit ya'll know nothing about. It's TOTALLY different to have a dvd that contains the video Controversy or Let's Pretend We're Married and u watch it TODAY. As a oppossed to seeing it in 81 and 82 when it was fresh, during THOSE times and in that climate. Totally different impact. When the album 1999 was out, everybody KNEW that P was on to something "different". And it had, at times, a demonic slant on it. He blended in with some hard rock acts athat time that gave that vibe. But P, being black, stood out like a motherfucker when it came to other black acts at the time, that simply didn't give off that aura.'

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Reply #1 posted 05/18/17 5:05pm

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Another thing that made many question where P was trully coming from was his excessive use of mentioning God in his music. NOBODY did that. He would mnrtion God's name and in the very same line, he would say 'motherfucker". On the Purple Rain tour, he would ask God, on stage, "would u take a bath with me?' To use God in a sexual text like that, is highly blasphemous. Period. I was a fan of Prince in the highest order during that period, and that shit made me very uncomfortable cuz I knew better. i knew that shit wasn't right nor was it cool. I felt bad for P cuz it came across like he was mocking God. In the same section of the show, he's having a conversation with God where God's voice is booming out of the speakers. That shit was so disrespectful. And he's doing this on the biggest tour of his career. I had seen P live on the Controversy and 1999 tour and I was so surprised he went this way on this tour. Many people spoke of this section and like myself, it put a weird vibe on what he was doing. Cuz it came across like he was spoofing God. It was really during this time that I started looking at all the little things I had already noticed that P was doing in his music and his pictures a lot more closely. I was no longer just "letting it slide". It all pointed in one direction. And these were things that were purposely planted by Prince alone.''
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Reply #2 posted 05/18/17 5:05pm

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Man, u know,..you're the second person that I've heard say that. The phrase "old Nick" refers to satan. In the movie with Adam Sandler in Little Nicky, Adam has said that he wore his hair like P did during Purple Rain. After the song Darling Nikki, (old Nick), that's where P has his backwards hymm. "Hello, how are u? I'm fine cuz I know the Lord is coming soon. Coming, Coming,..soon. Ha,,ha..ha..ha.." Now the part that always disturbed me is WHY did P then laugh AFTER saying that? If he indeed did believe that, what's so funny about it? Notice P didn;t say I know that God is coming soon. But the "Lord". Many satanists refer to satan or Lucifer as lord. But there is only one GOD. And he's the only one that's refered to as such. It's interesting that P chose the word "lord" in that line, when in the past and after, he used the word God. Marcel, u mentioned that you're surprise that this isn't discussed more often on this site. I'm not. Many folks on here don't want to hear about this. For some, it's the first time that they've ever heard about it. But I know that there are others on here that HAS heard about it but just don't want to address it. There were some artists who were big in the late 70's and early 80's, many who were there at the We Are The World recording (that P for some crazy ass selfish reason, decided he wasn't going to take part of) could have seen P's huge success with a motion picture at that stage of his career as something "otherwordly". It was mentioned in rock mags of the day like Creem and Circus as very "Led Zeppelin-ish". Anyone who knows the rumour of Zepp and how they achieved their success will see the connection.''
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Reply #3 posted 05/18/17 5:07pm

CharismaDove


''Some random thoughts:

Coming of age during Prince's peak in the 1980s and being the lone guitar player at my childhood church, I got a lot of scrutiny from church folks. And, I watched and read many a Christian documentary on secular music. Prince was constantly referenced by my Christian friends as demonic, and they were vocal about their concern for me because I was such an obvious musical devotee.

Central to Prince's schtick has been worship. I said this when he was dropping hints about being on "American Idol," and folks got upset. But, Prince has built a career on encouraging people to worship him, to be into him and to want to be like or around him.

Folks mention religious imagery or references to God as proof of his Christian leanings. Followers of Christ who were familiar with Prince in the 1980s probably remember that Prince's vibe was demonic. He came off, literally, like he was -- at the very least -- oppressed by demonic spirits. The fixation with sex would suggest, for example, a lust spirit.

Recently watching Lovesexy IV, I was struck by Prince's facial expressions. Different from the "funk faces" I've grown accustomed to in recent years, his faces seemed bizarre and different.

Back in the '80s, my mom said she hated the video for "When Doves Cry" because she found its imagery satanic (particularly the mirrored image part).

A classmate of mine, around the same time, claimed to have seen the face of the devil on the "Purple Rain" record cover, when she viewed it upside down.

There was a lot to his act back then that was extreme: the declarations of piety amid lurid sex, the misogyny, the violence (Purple Rain is especially violent, replete with suicide attempts and imagery) and the costumes (Prince's black Oscars shroud was described by one reviewer as satanic, back in the day).

Prince definitely put forth some overt images and lyrics, back in the day, and still makes references to some extent today."

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Reply #4 posted 05/18/17 5:09pm

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If you don't belive in God/devil/anything then this thread probably isn't for you. And also I'd love Prince regardless what he wanted to worship/follow so don't try to guilt trip me for making this thread. Celebs can harbor a lot of secrets. Nobody knew a few years ago what we now know about Bill Cosby(random example)

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Reply #5 posted 05/18/17 5:11pm

CharismaDove

"Man, Irecall so much of what you're saying cuz I was there when all of ths went down too. ANYBODY that was around then would have had to be living under a rock to not have noticed this. P was too popular and he put it out there so blantantly. Many rockers from the 80's assumed that P was into black magic, at the very least. I'm telling u, rock mags like Circus and Creem, would always spoof on P either biting off of Jimi or that he was satanic. It was a common thought. If he wasn't, then baby, he certainly wanted people to think it. I have been over other kids houses, this was during 81-85 period and they could be playing P's albums in their room. These were black and white kids. In no time, their moms would come in and make some reference about P being evil. Either they would say P looked evil or that he had a "bad" aura. Never had I ever heard this about another mainstream artist. Never. I would hear it everywhere, at one point or another. During this time frame. 81-85."

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Reply #6 posted 05/18/17 5:19pm

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CharismaDove said:

If you don't belive in God/devil/anything then this thread probably isn't for you.


I don't, but this thread is definitely for me. smile
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Reply #7 posted 05/18/17 5:26pm

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You had my interest until you quoted Blackguitaristz. He'd / she'd argue the world was flat.

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Reply #8 posted 05/18/17 5:27pm

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Thank you for this post. This is the thread I have been waiting since P suddenly passed. This is a very important issue that warrants serious discussion.

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Reply #9 posted 05/18/17 5:32pm

CharismaDove

Number23 said:

CharismaDove said:

If you don't belive in God/devil/anything then this thread probably isn't for you.

I don't, but this thread is definitely for me. smile

Welcome smile that warning was for the inevitable arrival of the nonsense! no evidence! doesn't exist! crowd lol

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Reply #10 posted 05/18/17 5:33pm

CharismaDove

SquirrelMeat said:

You had my interest until you quoted Blackguitaristz. He'd / she'd argue the world was flat.

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the topic? Ive seen you post for a few years and you always have good insight

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Reply #11 posted 05/18/17 5:38pm

CharismaDove

BeyondthePurpleZone said:

Thank you for this post. This is the thread I have been waiting since P suddenly passed. This is a very important issue that warrants serious discussion.

Yeah and it rarely gets discussed. I think it's important. P was NOT some God-like figure incapable of any bad. There were whispers of Prince doing drugs for years before his demise, and it turned out to be true. Not saying he was a Satanist but I think it's important to examine the evidence we have from this great HUMAN man's time on Earth.. and if Satanism helped him make Purple Rain shit Im not complaining lol.

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Reply #12 posted 05/18/17 5:43pm

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P being found with all his clothes on backwards including his socks on 4-21 could be a sign of the occult/devil too.
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Reply #13 posted 05/18/17 5:53pm

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CharismaDove said:

SquirrelMeat said:

You had my interest until you quoted Blackguitaristz. He'd / she'd argue the world was flat.

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the topic? Ive seen you post for a few years and you always have good insight


I don't normally engage in the 'national enquirer' type threads, but as I'm here.... lol

I think anyone who believes in god in a big way automatically has an interest in the opposite. An interest in religion is an interest in occult. They are two sides of the same coin.

Prince's performance 'conversations with god' was simply a way of him expressing his inner struggle between 'sex and love' and being 'good and bad'. He's simply fighting the conflict between nature and indoctrinated upbringing that come with religion.

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Reply #14 posted 05/18/17 5:56pm

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Not sure if this is true but I did hear that in some cultures, one will wear their clothes inside out to ward off evil spirits. Could he have thought something was "after him?" Also, Sinead O'Conner said his eyes went totally white-- Charlamagne the God (or whatever the crap his name is) swears that when he met Prince, that Prince didn't walk but FLOATED eek Also, something I've always wondered about, in Others Here With Us, the line he says over and over, "... all the things I've seen... all the things I've seen..." and the song was about ghosts. What had Prince seen? Why did he think the Devil was in Paisley Park when he did Ecstacy with Ingrid Chavez? and "...bed started shaking I don't know who to blame..." Did his bed shake?

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Reply #16 posted 05/18/17 6:00pm

CharismaDove

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

P being found with all his clothes on backwards including his socks on 4-21 could be a sign of the occult/devil too.

I've seen a lot of people state this. I don't think it had to do with the Devil but nonetheless that death scene (and with the all-black ensemble head to toe), def gave me a bad feeling in my stomach. If that had been the cause of his death, knowing Prince, he would take that secret to the grave. When you look at the REALLY out there options that have been discussed on the Org, drug overdose is pretty tame way for a musician to die.

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Reply #17 posted 05/18/17 6:06pm

CharismaDove

Superfan1984 said:

Not sure if this is true but I did hear that in some cultures, one will wear their clothes inside out to ward off evil spirits. Could he have thought something was "after him?" Also, Sinead O'Conner said his eyes went totally white-- Charlamagne the God (or whatever the crap his name is) swears that when he met Prince, that Prince didn't walk but FLOATED eek Also, something I've always wondered about, in Others Here With Us, the line he says over and over, "... all the things I've seen... all the things I've seen..." and the song was about ghosts. What had Prince seen? Why did he think the Devil was in Paisley Park when he did Ecstacy with Ingrid Chavez? and "...bed started shaking I don't know who to blame..." Did his bed shake?

Lol there's a story of a gnome statue Prince got as a gift from a friend that he put in his living room. Supposedly P moved it to another room because people got spooked and claimed the gnome's eyes moved. He stated all this (but he didn't say the part about the eyes moving iirc), in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview. Also I remember orgnoting a user (her name escapes me) a few years ago discussing this and she claimed Prince wore heels because he had goat hooves lol lol

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Reply #18 posted 05/18/17 6:08pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

CharismaDove said:

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the topic? Ive seen you post for a few years and you always have good insight


I don't normally engage in the 'national enquirer' type threads, but as I'm here.... lol

I think anyone who believes in god in a big way automatically has an interest in the opposite. An interest in religion is an interest in occult. They are two sides of the same coin.

Prince's performance 'conversations with god' was simply a way of him expressing his inner struggle between 'sex and love' and being 'good and bad'. He's simply fighting the conflict between nature and indoctrinated upbringing that come with religion.

most likely what it really was. I think P was just very extreme about everything he did. I can imagine him smirking to himself in the basement of his house August 1982 working on 1999 cover, 'this should spook 'em!' He always liked making people uncomfortable and to think out of the box.

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Reply #19 posted 05/18/17 6:13pm

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

P being found with all his clothes on backwards including his socks on 4-21 could be a sign of the occult/devil too.

HOW? I keep asking how is backwards clothes a sign of anything and no one replies.

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Reply #20 posted 05/18/17 6:20pm

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Superfan1984 said:

Not sure if this is true but I did hear that in some cultures, one will wear their clothes inside out to ward off evil spirits. Could he have thought something was "after him?" Also, Sinead O'Conner said his eyes went totally white-- Charlamagne the God (or whatever the crap his name is) swears that when he met Prince, that Prince didn't walk but FLOATED eek Also, something I've always wondered about, in Others Here With Us, the line he says over and over, "... all the things I've seen... all the things I've seen..." and the song was about ghosts. What had Prince seen? Why did he think the Devil was in Paisley Park when he did Ecstacy with Ingrid Chavez? and "...bed started shaking I don't know who to blame..." Did his bed shake?

sinead is no good witness, the chalramagne thing is mildly interesting but if it comes down to someone making shit up and someone walking on air, i'll go with someone making shit up being more likely. Not that I don't believe in magic, I do. I just have no faith in people being honest. As far as Prince, Howard Bloom had an interesting theory about the "god voice" he thought it was a parent voice, his dad specifically and when he saw Prince become more moderate, he thought the dad voice had won and the real prince was gone. I don't know, as many opinions as there are assholes huh? I thought a lot of the things he did was just a gimmick, the nikki story does indeed have an interesting tale of selling a soul to satan and some wackos on here even thought he might have had fucking hooves instead of feet because of it. I've heard it all. I just think the religious/sexual thing was prince's very hamhanded effort to imitate marving gay who did it a lot better. He didn't go into the religion stuff until controversy and Jesse Johnson says that was right around the time he got heavy into marvin too. Not a coincidence, but he did it with a complete lack of subtlety and playfullness, I'm pretty sure most of it was just a joke and a shock tactic for him and it worked, Prince got over by being wierd, not everyone can.

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Reply #21 posted 05/18/17 6:26pm

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Prince was a church boy and he was a gospel man, always was too. So I'm sure he had to feel as guilty as hell later on for using those gimmicks to get over. there were the nutty rumours that he made people call him messiah in the 80's. The idol worship people give these guys is a drug, it really is a drug and they end up feeling superhuman. I know, I've been gotten a few people screaming and cheering as a musician, it's a lot to take in and to do it on a consistent basis and keep it in perspective is difficult. That's where you get the insane quotes from a guy like Michael Jackson who thought he would live to 120 and Prince saying that age didn't exist for him, well, it causes major fucking problems when reality comes and taps them on their shoulders. Elvis thought he could heal people and control the weather. He still has some of his men convinced that he had magic powers. I do believe in magic but what I'm pointing out here is a clear delineation, these guys get warped by being worshipped, it would happen to you or me too in the situation. "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

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Reply #22 posted 05/18/17 7:01pm

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PeteSilas said:

Superfan1984 said:

Not sure if this is true but I did hear that in some cultures, one will wear their clothes inside out to ward off evil spirits. Could he have thought something was "after him?" Also, Sinead O'Conner said his eyes went totally white-- Charlamagne the God (or whatever the crap his name is) swears that when he met Prince, that Prince didn't walk but FLOATED eek Also, something I've always wondered about, in Others Here With Us, the line he says over and over, "... all the things I've seen... all the things I've seen..." and the song was about ghosts. What had Prince seen? Why did he think the Devil was in Paisley Park when he did Ecstacy with Ingrid Chavez? and "...bed started shaking I don't know who to blame..." Did his bed shake?

sinead is no good witness, the chalramagne thing is mildly interesting but if it comes down to someone making shit up and someone walking on air, i'll go with someone making shit up being more likely. Not that I don't believe in magic, I do. I just have no faith in people being honest. As far as Prince, Howard Bloom had an interesting theory about the "god voice" he thought it was a parent voice, his dad specifically and when he saw Prince become more moderate, he thought the dad voice had won and the real prince was gone. I don't know, as many opinions as there are assholes huh? I thought a lot of the things he did was just a gimmick, the nikki story does indeed have an interesting tale of selling a soul to satan and some wackos on here even thought he might have had fucking hooves instead of feet because of it. I've heard it all. I just think the religious/sexual thing was prince's very hamhanded effort to imitate marving gay who did it a lot better. He didn't go into the religion stuff until controversy and Jesse Johnson says that was right around the time he got heavy into marvin too. Not a coincidence, but he did it with a complete lack of subtlety and playfullness, I'm pretty sure most of it was just a joke and a shock tactic for him and it worked, Prince got over by being wierd, not everyone can.

really interesting, neve heard that before

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Reply #23 posted 05/18/17 7:05pm

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PeteSilas said:

Prince was a church boy and he was a gospel man, always was too. So I'm sure he had to feel as guilty as hell later on for using those gimmicks to get over. there were the nutty rumours that he made people call him messiah in the 80's. The idol worship people give these guys is a drug, it really is a drug and they end up feeling superhuman. I know, I've been gotten a few people screaming and cheering as a musician, it's a lot to take in and to do it on a consistent basis and keep it in perspective is difficult. That's where you get the insane quotes from a guy like Michael Jackson who thought he would live to 120 and Prince saying that age didn't exist for him, well, it causes major fucking problems when reality comes and taps them on their shoulders. Elvis thought he could heal people and control the weather. He still has some of his men convinced that he had magic powers. I do believe in magic but what I'm pointing out here is a clear delineation, these guys get warped by being worshipped, it would happen to you or me too in the situation. "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Yeah and sadly both MJ and Prince started off super-careful eaters, vegeterians, physically fit, denounced drugs, sad how it ended up for them when age and life caught up. Elvis' was especially sad because he was barely 40.



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Reply #24 posted 05/18/17 7:08pm

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CharismaDove said:

BeyondthePurpleZone said:

Thank you for this post. This is the thread I have been waiting since P suddenly passed. This is a very important issue that warrants serious discussion.

Yeah and it rarely gets discussed. I think it's important. P was NOT some God-like figure incapable of any bad. There were whispers of Prince doing drugs for years before his demise, and it turned out to be true. Not saying he was a Satanist but I think it's important to examine the evidence we have from this great HUMAN man's time on Earth.. and if Satanism helped him make Purple Rain shit Im not complaining lol.

I agree. I think the key issue here is idol worship, which shut downs any serious discussion about this subject. MUSIC IS A SPIRITUAL MEDIUM. Why is taboo to discuss the spiritual world's influence on P's music when P himself was making constant references to the unseen world?

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I dont have anything to add to the conversation right now.

But I want to watch.

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Reply #27 posted 05/18/17 7:28pm

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if you remember the purple rain live concert, he would tell the god voice that "they (meaning us) dig it when I act like this" and "I'm so confused" and that jesus was the only christ or something to that effect. what was he confused about? sex/god? him being the messiah, he put it all out on frontstreet though in a way which I honestly always thought was just an act but I thought a lot of the things he did were just an act and I'm still sure most of it is but he does seem to have been profoundly spiritual from all the things we hear. the stories that he thought that his child being born was a punishment for past sins is way more than your average person will read into a tragedy like that. Most people would just think it was just a bad break but Prince feels like god himself is making him pay. He also said some interesting things in his late songs where he's "so sorry for the things he used to do". Makes me want to comfort him and tell him lots of us feel that way, i know I do. i think he, like Elvis and Michael were basically good men who did more good than bad in the world and paid a heavy price for their fame.

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Reply #28 posted 05/18/17 7:30pm

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In your first post you seem to equate Occult with Satan. Why?

Occult is "hidden knowledge" more or less. Every religion has elements of the occult within them, as in they have teachings that are given to individuals that are ready for those teachings, but those teachings are not given to every one.

Prince has ALWAYS been spiritually aware / awake and has always pointed to God. But again, you seem to paint his early years as "negative" or putting out bad vibes.

When Prince first came on the scene, he had a message that he wanted to get out. However, he knew that "sex sells" and that to bring more attention to himself (and therefore that message) he would have to start where his fans were, or where society was, which was at a more base level. It is a technique we use in social work too, start where the client is. If he wanted to raise the vibrations of the world, of people in general, he would have to start where those people are, and get them to come on a journey with him while he tried to bring them higher.

Also, as he said many times, when he sang about sex, he was singing about God. It wasn't a physical thing he was singing about, but a spiritual joining with God.

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Superfan1984 said:


Not sure if this is true but I did hear that in some cultures, one will wear their clothes inside out to ward off evil spirits. Could he have thought something was "after him?" Also, Sinead O'Conner said his eyes went totally white-- Charlamagne the God (or whatever the crap his name is) swears that when he met Prince, that Prince didn't walk but FLOATED eek Also, something I've always wondered about, in Others Here With Us, the line he says over and over, "... all the things I've seen... all the things I've seen..." and the song was about ghosts. What had Prince seen? Why did he think the Devil was in Paisley Park when he did Ecstacy with Ingrid Chavez? and "...bed started shaking I don't know who to blame..." Did his bed shake?



sinead is no good witness, the chalramagne thing is mildly interesting but if it comes down to someone making shit up and someone walking on air, i'll go with someone making shit up being more likely. Not that I don't believe in magic, I do. I just have no faith in people being honest. As far as Prince, Howard Bloom had an interesting theory about the "god voice" he thought it was a parent voice, his dad specifically and when he saw Prince become more moderate, he thought the dad voice had won and the real prince was gone. I don't know, as many opinions as there are assholes huh? I thought a lot of the things he did was just a gimmick, the nikki story does indeed have an interesting tale of selling a soul to satan and some wackos on here even thought he might have had fucking hooves instead of feet because of it. I've heard it all. I just think the religious/sexual thing was prince's very hamhanded effort to imitate marving gay who did it a lot better. He didn't go into the religion stuff until controversy and Jesse Johnson says that was right around the time he got heavy into marvin too. Not a coincidence, but he did it with a complete lack of subtlety and playfullness, I'm pretty sure most of it was just a joke and a shock tactic for him and it worked, Prince got over by being wierd, not everyone can.


--I think he was serious about the sexual/spritual stuff. I really thin there was a time when thought Gid was the big pussy in the sky.
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