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Thread started 05/17/17 2:37pm

purpleshadow

Prince will always be more an artist of artist than a people's artist

He gets a lot more respect from artists who know what it takes to create music than the regular people who chose the music that become soundtrack of their lives. He's consitantly named as an influence by artists but you ask the general public who Prince is they don't really know. and I don't think it will get better with time as people of his time and generation are getting older. The Youtube, Spotify and younger generation won't really be checking for him.

I think part of Prince's problem was that Prince wanted to be regarded as some sort of musical teacher with integrity about real music by real musicians. But most people don't care about who plays what and how songs are recorded. Artists care and they respect his craft more as a result but most people don't.. He created more music to get respected for his musical chops instead of creating songs that the people can connect with.

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Reply #1 posted 05/17/17 2:45pm

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Disagree. Prince was able to (most of the time) balance his craft with being commercial and accessible to the masses (without selling out).
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Examples/evidence: over $100 million albums sold, being one of the most famous people to have ever lived, the 1st to have simultaneous #1 album, movie, pop single in the USA. Also, his Super Bowl performance is considered the greatest ever....a performance strictly for the people...a people's artist.
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Did he have a cult following? Yes. Did he pander to the masses? Sometimes. Mostly he straddled the line between popular star and artist like no one else.
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Lastly, as his estate is straightened out more I think you will see a more traditional approach in the marketing of his art/legacy/music. Already seeing signs of it: Prince's tees in traditional dept stores, etc.
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Reply #2 posted 05/17/17 3:09pm

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More and more he will become the hip person's artist. Not the mainstream Kim Kardashian publicly knowable persona, but the artists that cool people know.

Never the ephemeral persona of the day featured on Extra with Mario Lopez gushing over.

[Edited 5/17/17 15:29pm]

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Reply #3 posted 05/17/17 3:14pm

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purpleshadow said:

He gets a lot more respect from artists who know what it takes to create music than the regular people who chose the music that become soundtrack of their lives. He's consitantly named as an influence by artists but you ask the general public who Prince is they don't really know. and I don't think it will get better with time as people of his time and generation are getting older. The Youtube, Spotify and younger generation won't really be checking for him.

I think part of Prince's problem was that Prince wanted to be regarded as some sort of musical teacher with integrity about real music by real musicians. But most people don't care about who plays what and how songs are recorded. Artists care and they respect his craft more as a result but most people don't.. He created more music to get respected for his musical chops instead of creating songs that the people can connect with.

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Hmmm, I dunno. I think he gets a lot of respect from both sides. What I love and always admired about Prince is he always stayed true to himself and his music. He cared about the quality of his music. There are other artists who admire him, but I think there is a lot of jealousy in the music industry. Not may people have the level of talent that Prince had, and never will. Somone like Prince only comes around once in a lifetime.

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I think Prince worked incredibly hard at trying to influence the younger generation with making good music and owning the rights to their music. He loved teaching music and inspiring other artists. I respect him for being very vocal about that. With that said, he has made a lasting impression on a lot of younger aritists, and certainly just regular folk like me! lol

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He really was the greatest. prince

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #4 posted 05/17/17 3:17pm

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skywalker said:

Disagree. Prince was able to (most of the time) balance his craft with being commercial and accessible to the masses (without selling out). - Examples/evidence: over $100 million albums sold, being one of the most famous people to have ever lived, the 1st to have simultaneous #1 album, movie, pop single in the USA. Also, his Super Bowl performance is considered the greatest ever....a performance strictly for the people...a people's artist. - Did he have a cult following? Yes. Did he pander to the masses? Sometimes. Mostly he straddled the line between popular star and artist like no one else. - Lastly, as his estate is straightened out more I think you will see a more traditional approach in the marketing of his art/legacy/music. Already seeing signs of it: Prince's tees in traditional dept stores, etc. [Edited 5/17/17 14:50pm]

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I agree! nod

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Prince was one of those unique artists who appealed to the masses as well as his cult-followers.

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I look forward to the day when the estate has everything squared-away.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #5 posted 05/17/17 3:20pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

More and more he will be the hip persona's artist. Not the mainstream Kim Kardashian publicly knowledgeable persona, but the artists that cool people know. Not the ephemeral persona of the day featured on Extra with Mario Lopez gushing over.

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Oh, no!! Don't say "Kardashian" in the same sentence as Prince, LMAO!! (joking) lol

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Purple Rain helped put Prince on the map and put him more in the mainstream, but I think he was always unique. While he was indeed a big part of pop-culture, I never saw his music as bubble-gum music/generic crap. Prince was in a class all by himself.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #6 posted 05/17/17 3:32pm

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purpleshadow said:

He gets a lot more respect from artists who know what it takes to create music than the regular people who chose the music that become soundtrack of their lives. He's consitantly named as an influence by artists but you ask the general public who Prince is they don't really know. and I don't think it will get better with time as people of his time and generation are getting older. The Youtube, Spotify and younger generation won't really be checking for him.

I think part of Prince's problem was that Prince wanted to be regarded as some sort of musical teacher with integrity about real music by real musicians. But most people don't care about who plays what and how songs are recorded. Artists care and they respect his craft more as a result but most people don't.. He created more music to get respected for his musical chops instead of creating songs that the people can connect with.

Good argument. I agree with you in some aspects.

There's a review Ill post later that I transcribed fomr 1984 PR tour opener where it was rpeorted that Prince started screaming at the audience during the song PR because they were kind of stoic and was unappreciative of what he was doing up there.

Yeah, it seemed like he was not only playing to dazzle the audience because he knew he could do that easily but also as you stated, for other musicians and artists. He has stated in past interivews "do you know how easy it is for me to play anything sound that comes to my head?" or something akin to that. I think that statment(s) was for the whore.I mean for the artists he wanted to impress.

The Russians killed Prince and he also had alzheimers (and worshipped da debil)-The Org
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Reply #7 posted 05/17/17 6:46pm

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When Prince died, the entire world lit up purple in tribute. Even though I'm part of the 'older' generation, my kids grew up listening to Prince, and I'll make sure my grandkids do too...that is if my kids would ever get on the ball and give me some grandkids. lol

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Reply #8 posted 05/17/17 7:14pm

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PennyPurple said:

When Prince died, the entire world lit up purple in tribute. Even though I'm part of the 'older' generation, my kids grew up listening to Prince, and I'll make sure my grandkids do too...that is if my kids would ever get on the ball and give me some grandkids. lol

I introduced my First grandson to Laa la La He he hee

I changed the words from Oh, how sexy it will be to

Oh how Happy we will be...

We harmonise the Barks...he LOVES cats and dogs... razz

lol

then Starfish and coffee...after showing him the Muppets video

He is only 6...but kows the words and gets all excited when hes singing...

he has now Progressed to Raspberry Beret, and current favorite

"I feel for you"

which we sing to each other with adoring eyes

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #9 posted 05/17/17 7:26pm

PennyPurple

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Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

When Prince died, the entire world lit up purple in tribute. Even though I'm part of the 'older' generation, my kids grew up listening to Prince, and I'll make sure my grandkids do too...that is if my kids would ever get on the ball and give me some grandkids. lol

I introduced my First grandson to Laa la La He he hee

I changed the words from Oh, how sexy it will be to

Oh how Happy we will be...

We harmonise the Barks...he LOVES cats and dogs... razz

lol

then Starfish and coffee...after showing him the Muppets video

He is only 6...but kows the words and gets all excited when hes singing...

he has now Progressed to Raspberry Beret, and current favorite

"I feel for you"

which we sing to each other with adoring eyes

Awe...that's cute and a great idea...now to get my kids on the ball. LOL

My kids knew how much of a Prince fan I was. After MJ died, I told them, if you think this is bad, if something happens to Prince, you might as well lock me away. LOL when the news broke, each of my kids called me. cry Every holiday where there are presents involved, they always give me something related to Prince. This mothers day one of them gave me the symbol sticker for my car. I planted my flowers this last weekend and they are all purple. I wanted to do an all purple Christmas tree theme this past Christmas, but they drew line with tree...

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Reply #10 posted 05/17/17 7:35pm

Lovejunky

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PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

I introduced my First grandson to Laa la La He he hee

I changed the words from Oh, how sexy it will be to

Oh how Happy we will be...

We harmonise the Barks...he LOVES cats and dogs... razz

lol

then Starfish and coffee...after showing him the Muppets video

He is only 6...but kows the words and gets all excited when hes singing...

he has now Progressed to Raspberry Beret, and current favorite

"I feel for you"

which we sing to each other with adoring eyes

Awe...that's cute and a great idea...now to get my kids on the ball. LOL

My kids knew how much of a Prince fan I was. After MJ died, I told them, if you think this is bad, if something happens to Prince, you might as well lock me away. LOL when the news broke, each of my kids called me. cry Every holiday where there are presents involved, they always give me something related to Prince. This mothers day one of them gave me the symbol sticker for my car. I planted my flowers this last weekend and they are all purple. I wanted to do an all purple Christmas tree theme this past Christmas, but they drew line with tree...

LOl...

We NEED these Penny

Image result for Prince Love SYmbol Jewellery

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #11 posted 05/17/17 7:38pm

PennyPurple

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Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

Awe...that's cute and a great idea...now to get my kids on the ball. LOL

My kids knew how much of a Prince fan I was. After MJ died, I told them, if you think this is bad, if something happens to Prince, you might as well lock me away. LOL when the news broke, each of my kids called me. cry Every holiday where there are presents involved, they always give me something related to Prince. This mothers day one of them gave me the symbol sticker for my car. I planted my flowers this last weekend and they are all purple. I wanted to do an all purple Christmas tree theme this past Christmas, but they drew line with tree...

LOl...

We NEED these Penny

Image result for Prince Love SYmbol Jewellery

OMG....WE DO!!!!

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Reply #12 posted 05/18/17 12:55pm

cloveringold85

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YES!! nod

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #13 posted 05/18/17 11:18pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

More and more he will become the hip person's artist. Not the mainstream Kim Kardashian publicly knowable persona, but the artists that cool people know.

Never the ephemeral persona of the day featured on Extra with Mario Lopez gushing over.

[Edited 5/17/17 15:29pm]

The hipsters love Prince, the masses love MJ.

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Reply #14 posted 05/19/17 3:14pm

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Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

When Prince died, the entire world lit up purple in tribute. Even though I'm part of the 'older' generation, my kids grew up listening to Prince, and I'll make sure my grandkids do too...that is if my kids would ever get on the ball and give me some grandkids. lol

I introduced my First grandson to Laa la La He he hee

I changed the words from Oh, how sexy it will be to

Oh how Happy we will be...

We harmonise the Barks...he LOVES cats and dogs... razz

lol

then Starfish and coffee...after showing him the Muppets video

He is only 6...but kows the words and gets all excited when hes singing...

he has now Progressed to Raspberry Beret, and current favorite

"I feel for you"

which we sing to each other with adoring eyes

That's very lovely.

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Reply #15 posted 05/19/17 4:16pm

skywalker

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paisleyparkgirl said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


More and more he will become the hip person's artist. Not the mainstream Kim Kardashian publicly knowable persona, but the artists that cool people know.

Never the ephemeral persona of the day featured on Extra with Mario Lopez gushing over.


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The hipsters love Prince, the masses love MJ.



It's always been that way.
"New Power slide...."
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Reply #16 posted 05/19/17 8:24pm

tishal

purpleshadow said:

He gets a lot more respect from artists who know what it takes to create music than the regular people who chose the music that become soundtrack of their lives. He's consitantly named as an influence by artists but you ask the general public who Prince is they don't really know. and I don't think it will get better with time as people of his time and generation are getting older. The Youtube, Spotify and younger generation won't really be checking for him.


I think part of Prince's problem was that Prince wanted to be regarded as some sort of musical teacher with integrity about real music by real musicians. But most people don't care about who plays what and how songs are recorded. Artists care and they respect his craft more as a result but most people don't.. He created more music to get respected for his musical chops instead of creating songs that the people can connect with.


My kids already know him. Even the 2 yr old dances to him.
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