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Thread started 04/23/17 8:40am

Smillan

Swearing in future releases

What do people here think about swearing in future releases?

One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.

Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?

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Reply #1 posted 04/23/17 8:44am

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Smillan said:

What do people here think about swearing in future releases?

One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.

Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?

Prince was directly involved in the Purple Rain remaster release, so clearly wasn't against including We Can Fuck.

And to answer your question, don't censor alredy recorded music. Let the music reflect that period in his life.

[Edited 4/23/17 8:44am]

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Reply #2 posted 04/23/17 9:01am

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alandail said:



Smillan said:


What do people here think about swearing in future releases?



One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.



Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?




Prince was directly involved in the Purple Rain remaster release, so clearly wasn't against including We Can Fuck.



And to answer your question, don't censor alredy recorded music. Let the music reflect that period in his life.

[Edited 4/23/17 8:44am]


Do we know that for certain? I'm a bit skeptical he would directly approve of that. At one of the Piano & Microphone after shows in Australia the DJ was specifically told he wasn't allowed to play any music with curse words and when Head came on one of Prince's minders came up to the DJ and told him Prince wanted him to stop playing the song immediately.

Back in 2013 when Prince was on The View he was asked about music in the vault and said that someone would release it but it wouldn't be him. I always wondered if this was intentional because then he wouldn't have to deal with any of the music that contained curse words or was really dirty.
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Reply #3 posted 04/23/17 9:12am

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Smillan said:


What do people here think about swearing in future releases?



One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.



Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?




Prince was directly involved in the Purple Rain remaster release, so clearly wasn't against including We Can Fuck.



And to answer your question, don't censor alredy recorded music. Let the music reflect that period in his life.

[Edited 4/23/17 8:44am]



Nope. No way, no how, would Prince have released We Can "F". This is the man that had a swear jar, and was embarrassed and remorseful when Quest Love told him that he taught him to curse. Remorseful enough to stop singing songs that had swear words in it, and going as far as changing lyrics to accommodate his beliefs about swearing.
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Reply #4 posted 04/23/17 9:17am

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luvgirl said:

alandail said:



Smillan said:


What do people here think about swearing in future releases?



One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.



Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?




Prince was directly involved in the Purple Rain remaster release, so clearly wasn't against including We Can Fuck.



And to answer your question, don't censor alredy recorded music. Let the music reflect that period in his life.

[Edited 4/23/17 8:44am]



Nope. No way, no how, would Prince have released We Can "F". This is the man that had a swear jar, and was embarrassed and remorseful when Quest Love told him that he taught him to curse. Remorseful enough to stop singing songs that had swear words in it, and going as far as changing lyrics to accommodate his beliefs about swearing.

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Reply #5 posted 04/23/17 9:28am

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lets see if the f'in thing ACTUALLY comes out before we start all this nonsense

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Reply #6 posted 04/23/17 10:36am

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Why tamper with music that was already done? Leave it as it was then.

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Reply #7 posted 04/23/17 11:11am

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I'm not saying they shouldn't release these songs with swear words. I'll be the first one to buy them with no shame, lol lol. Just saying Prince wouldn't have released them himself.
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Reply #8 posted 04/23/17 11:34am

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... meh. I always did thing 'We Can Funk' sounded kind of silly as a song lyric, and would, in my head, replace it with 'fuck' every single time. lol Dunno if 'We can Fuck' is the same song or not, though. biggrin

I think it should be released as is. If Prince wanted his wishes respected, he should have released that will, tho. Then it would be clear. Since he didn't, let the games begin!

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Reply #9 posted 04/23/17 12:16pm

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luv4u said:

Why tamper with music that was already done? Leave it as it was then.



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Reply #10 posted 04/23/17 12:18pm

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luv4u said:

Why tamper with music that was already done? Leave it as it was then.


Which is probably why he left it to someone else to release this stuff...
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Reply #11 posted 04/23/17 12:52pm

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The Songs Should be released as they were recorded at the time.
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Reply #12 posted 04/23/17 1:17pm

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I want to hear what he wrote/produced when he did it. exactly like he did it. he did it for reasons at the time. but first and above all: I want to hear it! before I get presbyacusis confused
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Reply #13 posted 04/23/17 1:39pm

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Dalia11 said:

The Songs Should be released as they were recorded at the time.


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Reply #14 posted 04/23/17 1:51pm

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The music should stay uncensored, and as true to the original as possible. I don't just mean keeping swearing out, I also mean keeping the album sequence in order. Don't introduce the hallway speech Computer Blue or the extended Let's Go Crazy into the actual album.

I think it's interesting that Purple Rain is one of the cleanest Prince albums around as far as cursing goes . . . the only really obvious word is "masturbate" and that's not a curse word. I read an article that said that Prince was going for mass appeal on PR, which is why he reined it in a bit.

Since We Can Fuck is on a bonus disc, and not really re-integrated into the actual album, I see no problem with it. The original album is what people will know and remember - not some added songs on an extra disc.

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Reply #15 posted 04/23/17 2:02pm

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Se7en said:


I think it's interesting that Purple Rain is one of the cleanest Prince albums around as far as cursing goes . . . the only really obvious word is "masturbate" and that's not a curse word. I read an article that said that Prince was going for mass appeal on PR, which is why he reined it in a bit.


Wasn't Purple Rain the album which prompted the birth of the parental advisory sticker?

As for the thread, there's no way Prince approved, or would have approved release of a song with expletives in. Personally I don't mind, I want to hear it all but I don't believe we'd have that track coming out if Prince was still alive. But saying that, I doubt the PR remaster would be coming at all if P was alive, he certainly didn't seem in any rush to get it out there.

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Se7en said:



I think it's interesting that Purple Rain is one of the cleanest Prince albums around as far as cursing goes . . . the only really obvious word is "masturbate" and that's not a curse word. I read an article that said that Prince was going for mass appeal on PR, which is why he reined it in a bit.




Wasn't Purple Rain the album which prompted the birth of the parental advisory sticker?

As for the thread, there's no way Prince approved, or would have approved release of a song with expletives in. Personally I don't mind, I want to hear it all but I don't believe we'd have that track coming out if Prince was still alive. But saying that, I doubt the PR remaster would be coming at all if P was alive, he certainly didn't seem in any rush to get it out there.


Again why I think he purposely chose to leave this to someone else. Whatever they do it will be odd. When Prince did sing songs that had curse words in them either omitted those words or changed the lyrics. It's interesting how many go on about x is or isn't what Prince would have done yet in this case people are advocating for the estate to do something we all know he wouldn't have done.
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Reply #17 posted 04/23/17 2:36pm

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rogifan said:

It's interesting how many go on about x is or isn't what Prince would have done yet in this case people are advocating for the estate to do something we all know he wouldn't have done.


When Prince was alive and released something, enough people here moaned about it. Now it's the estate releasing things and people still gonna moan. Some things change, some things stay the same lol

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Reply #18 posted 04/23/17 2:42pm

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alandail said:

Smillan said:

What do people here think about swearing in future releases?

One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.

Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?

Prince was directly involved in the Purple Rain remaster release, so clearly wasn't against including We Can Fuck.

And to answer your question, don't censor alredy recorded music. Let the music reflect that period in his life.

[Edited 4/23/17 8:44am]

It seems Prince was definitely involved in the PR remaster, they're calling it the 2015 Paisley Park remaster, (does this give us cause for any concerns re censorship?). It seems incedibly unlikey that he was involved in the disc 3 track list that we are presented with here.

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Reply #19 posted 04/23/17 2:45pm

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Smillan said:

What do people here think about swearing in future releases?

One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.

Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?

Pure conjecture at this point, but I believe that as he was coming to terms with his past, embracing the totality of who he was, and embracing other spiritual paths again (as confirmed by Kim Berry in a recent interview) going as far as singing "Dirty Mind" again, he not necessarily would have performed those songs live due to his age and audiences (he wanted to keep it family friendly), he may not have been completely adverse to the songs being released even if he were never to perform them in their original form again (a la "Oui Can Love" on Andy's acoustic album).

I think that as a Gemini, he was very much 2 different people at once and at the end of the day, acknowledged both to whatever degree he felt comfortable.

Now, (unfortunately) he's not here to worry about the internal conflict he may have had in performing or releasing songs that were in direct opposition to where he was at the time.

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Reply #20 posted 04/23/17 3:01pm

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Why tamper with music that was already done? Leave it as it was then.

Or don't release it, which is what would seem more reasonable to me. As much as I want to have the stuff that's vaulted away, I would understand that as a choice (and is what I expected Prince himself would do--or he would rerecord any such vocals before release). But, as I've said elsewhere, Prince chose not to make any choices about releasing the music he left behind (or about who would make those choices in his absence), so what he wanted, quite frankly, doesn't matter. So, if he swore then, let it be released that way.

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Reply #21 posted 04/23/17 3:16pm

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luvgirl said:

I'm not saying they shouldn't release these songs with swear words. I'll be the first one to buy them with no shame, lol lol. Just saying Prince wouldn't have released them himself.
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^^^^^ that., but is it too soon to release stuff with all those curse words? Imo yes. Its disrespectful so close to his passing and its disrespectful for wb to put fuck fuck on an album that was supposed to be released while he was alive. It just bothers me that wb is putting those two songs on this particular album.
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Reply #22 posted 04/23/17 3:27pm

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TrcikyChristopher said:



Smillan said:


What do people here think about swearing in future releases?



One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.



Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?



Pure conjecture at this point, but I believe that as he was coming to terms with his past, embracing the totality of who he was, and embracing other spiritual paths again (as confirmed by Kim Berry in a recent interview) going as far as singing "Dirty Mind" again, he not necessarily would have performed those songs live due to his age and audiences (he wanted to keep it family friendly), he may not have been completely adverse to the songs being released even if he were never to perform them in their original form again (a la "Oui Can Love" on Andy's acoustic album).


I think that as a Gemini, he was very much 2 different people at once and at the end of the day, acknowledged both to whatever degree he felt comfortable.


Now, (unfortunately) he's not here to worry about the internal conflict he may have had in performing or releasing songs that were in direct opposition to where he was at the time.


Dirty Mind is an interesting one to me because I always felt LRC was just as dirty but he never stopped singing that.
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Reply #23 posted 04/23/17 5:06pm

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luv4u said:

Why tamper with music that was already done? Leave it as it was then.


Agreed!
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Reply #24 posted 04/23/17 5:44pm

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I honestly think it's a non issue. How is it the word "FUCK" still shocks people, this is the 2010s, with the pro cannabis lobby everywhere and 12 year old girls getting pregnant, while the world is threatening to blow itself into oblivion. we are worried about a 34 year old song called We Can Fuck.

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Yeah Prince would have opposed it, but he is dead, what can he do - will his his ghost come back and possess the latest person in charge of Warner Brothers, shreiking in a Poltergeist voice " DDooooonnnnn'''ttttt reeleeaaseee Weeee Cannn Fxxxxxxxkkk" lol

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Reply #25 posted 04/23/17 6:03pm

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While I 100% agree that the songs that were made should not be tampered with and/or edited, I really don't think Prince would have been ok with songs with profanity being released. I thought this when he sang Electric Intercourse in concert more recently (don't remember exactly when off the top of my head, but it was after he signed with Warner again), and he would not even sing the title of the song....that made me think he was working on it (probably similar to how he worked on Extraloveable and 1000 Xs and Os) and was inspired to play it again.

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rogifan said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Pure conjecture at this point, but I believe that as he was coming to terms with his past, embracing the totality of who he was, and embracing other spiritual paths again (as confirmed by Kim Berry in a recent interview) going as far as singing "Dirty Mind" again, he not necessarily would have performed those songs live due to his age and audiences (he wanted to keep it family friendly), he may not have been completely adverse to the songs being released even if he were never to perform them in their original form again (a la "Oui Can Love" on Andy's acoustic album).

I think that as a Gemini, he was very much 2 different people at once and at the end of the day, acknowledged both to whatever degree he felt comfortable.

Now, (unfortunately) he's not here to worry about the internal conflict he may have had in performing or releasing songs that were in direct opposition to where he was at the time.

Dirty Mind is an interesting one to me because I always felt LRC was just as dirty but he never stopped singing that.

So was "Turn Me Loose", which was supposedly recorded in 2008 for the funk album he aborted and replaced with the Lotus albums. I remember someone mentioning to me at the time that the Kingdom Hall had a word with him about the song and so he aborted the project, inspiring a couplet in "Dreamer" ("loving Society"). He was already slowly disenchanted, it seems.

Incidentally (and a little off topic, but maybe sheds a little light to how P may have been evolving spiritually), 2009 was also around the year of their new doctrine where only elders got a chance to be in heaven, or something along those lines. It was a big deal amongst some of my friends and family that were JW at the time. Pissed a LOT of people off because, in their words, "we're doing The Work for nothing but helping the elders".

Add that to the whole initial hip surgery in 2010, where he could have opted for a full replacement but was advised against it via his "elders" due to transfusion prohibitions, it's interesting how he slowly started teasing folks again with snippets of Nasty Girl and Nikki in the sampler sets.

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Reply #27 posted 04/23/17 7:04pm

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luvgirl said:

alandail said:

Prince was directly involved in the Purple Rain remaster release, so clearly wasn't against including We Can Fuck.

And to answer your question, don't censor alredy recorded music. Let the music reflect that period in his life.

[Edited 4/23/17 8:44am]

Nope. No way, no how, would Prince have released We Can "F". This is the man that had a swear jar, and was embarrassed and remorseful when Quest Love told him that he taught him to curse. Remorseful enough to stop singing songs that had swear words in it, and going as far as changing lyrics to accommodate his beliefs about swearing.

Prince said that WB had the remastered Purple Rain and it was up to them to decide when to release it. And if they didn't alreayd have the agreement to release it directly from Prince, they couldn't release it with the estate still in limbo

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Reply #28 posted 04/23/17 8:09pm

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luv4u said:


Why tamper with music that was already done? Leave it as it was then.




Or don't release it, which is what would seem more reasonable to me. As much as I want to have the stuff that's vaulted away, I would understand that as a choice (and is what I expected Prince himself would do--or he would rerecord any such vocals before release). But, as I've said elsewhere, Prince chose not to make any choices about releasing the music he left behind (or about who would make those choices in his absence), so what he wanted, quite frankly, doesn't matter. So, if he swore then, let it be released that way.



Agreed, although I want to hear everything he ever did, I would have totally understood and respect them even more for not releasing those kind of songs. As you can see, I pretty much have mixed feelings about this. I want to hear them, but know Prince wouldn't have approved.
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Reply #29 posted 04/23/17 8:57pm

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Smillan said:

What do people here think about swearing in future releases?

One thinks that Prince would have been extremely against a song such as We Can Fuck being released.

Should his wishes have been respected or should the songs, as they were recorded at the time, be released with swearing?

I think it's important to know what his wishes were. Did he make clear to anyone or write anything down about what his wishes were regarding releasing material from the vault? There isn't a will, but it's possible that he could have communicated his wishes in another way. I wonder if there was any kind of notebook in the vault containing his thoughts about what he wanted or did not want released.

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If he clearly communicated that he did not want a certain song to be released, then I hope that the Estate respects his wishes. Otherwise, without clear directions from the man himself, I don't have any issues with the Estate releasing songs that have cursing in them.

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