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Thread started 04/18/17 6:14pm

bonnie184

Former Prince engineer Ian Boxill releases 6 song Prince EP, "Deliverance"

https://itun.es/us/orykjb


***** MOD NOTES BELOW*****

Here's the facts:

Former Prince engineer Ian Boxill has done a deal with a record label called RMA and released 6 Prince songs from 2006-2008. The Estate has filed a lawsuit to stop it, but the songs are already out there.

Tracklist :
01 Deliverance
02 I Am
03 Touch Me
04 Sunrise Sunset
05 No One Else
06 I Am (extended)

website - http://www.princerogersnelson.com

more notes to come... - Militant
Reply #1 posted 04/18/17 6:15pm

luvsexy4all

rap....

Reply #2 posted 04/18/17 6:17pm

SomeSoldier

What's this? Can't open it in iTunes uk
Reply #3 posted 04/18/17 6:20pm

bonnie184

Seems like a sketchy release. Happy to hear his voice on new music.
Reply #4 posted 04/18/17 6:22pm

ElectricDancer

All tracks are from 2006-2008.

[img:$uid]http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/princedeliveranceepartwork2017.jpg[/img:$uid]

01 Deliverance
02 I Am
03 Touch Me
04 Sunrise Sunset
05 No One Else
06 I Am (extended)

http://pitchfork.com/news/71669-unreleased-prince-songs-coming-on-new-ep-deliverance-shared-listen/
Reply #5 posted 04/18/17 6:25pm

jaawwnn

Sketchy as hell! Wonder if it'll last

Reply #6 posted 04/18/17 6:26pm

bonnie184

Reply #7 posted 04/18/17 6:26pm

bluegangsta

What's the bet that this release gets blocked?

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #8 posted 04/18/17 6:29pm

Moonbeam

Not available in Australia. Seems odd.

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Reply #9 posted 04/18/17 6:29pm

bluegangsta

bonnie184 said:

https://www.princerogersnelson.com

Oh good, this is going to be some dogmatic "my religion is right and your rational, observable facts aren't" bullshit.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #10 posted 04/18/17 6:30pm

jjam

I can't see this going on sale - I smell a lawsuit.

Gotta say...the title track sounds much better than most of what he released over the last 15 years or so.

[Edited 4/18/17 18:32pm]

Reply #11 posted 04/18/17 6:33pm

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Reply #12 posted 04/18/17 6:33pm

brassneck

Reply #13 posted 04/18/17 6:34pm

donnyenglish

Sad that this is the best thing that has been released since his passing. Really sad. The man left a vault full of treasures and we got nothing after a full year. For 5 seconds I felt like he was still alive. I had the feeling when I woke up a couple,ofmDecembers ago to find Phase 2 on Tidal or when he would drop a new song on us without notice. This song is great.
Reply #14 posted 04/18/17 6:36pm

banishedones666

Dr. Funk posted it along with info on another track.

he deleted it. lawsuit

[Edited 4/18/17 18:37pm]

[Edited 4/18/17 21:26pm]

Reply #15 posted 04/18/17 6:37pm

bluegangsta

brassneck said:

Lawsuit: http://kstp.com/news/prin...s/4457793/

HAHA

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #16 posted 04/18/17 6:39pm

jaawwnn

Eh... so it's available right now from that prince rogers nelson website.



It's a fitting tribute that there's a lawsuit involved and a mistake on the website allowing instant download lol

[Edited 4/18/17 18:41pm]

Reply #17 posted 04/18/17 6:39pm

dance4me3121

We have to wait until June 2 for a physical release? Also I'm not a apple music user.I hate to download the app to purchase this EP but I will if I have to.
Hopefully it will be on Amazon or Google music
Reply #18 posted 04/18/17 6:40pm

luvsexy4all

He's still alive...

Reply #19 posted 04/18/17 6:41pm

SomeSoldier

Well, I just downloaded the EP. I just had to pretend I live in the USA. It sounds ok, if not groundbreaking. Nice guitar work, but I need a few more listens...

[Edited 4/18/17 18:47pm]

Reply #20 posted 04/18/17 6:42pm

skywalker

Funny that Prince would smile upon us from the afterworld in the form of a bootleg....and the song is about God. Classic. smile
"New Power slide...."
Reply #21 posted 04/18/17 6:44pm

donnyenglish

Great song. The fans need something positive right now.
Reply #22 posted 04/18/17 6:47pm

blizzybiz

bluegangsta said:

bonnie184 said:

https://www.princerogersnelson.com

Oh good, this is going to be some dogmatic "my religion is right and your rational, observable facts aren't" bullshit.

just curious; given his proclivity to weave religion into just about everything he did, and knowing that as peopel get older, their beliefs change, mature, etc., what the fuck is the issue here? What would you like him to sing about?

Reply #23 posted 04/18/17 6:48pm

grantevans

Is that him in the video or an impersonator?

Reply #24 posted 04/18/17 6:49pm

bluegangsta

blizzybiz said:

bluegangsta said:

Oh good, this is going to be some dogmatic "my religion is right and your rational, observable facts aren't" bullshit.

just curious; given his proclivity to weave religion into just about everything he did, and knowing that as peopel get older, their beliefs change, mature, etc., what the fuck is the issue here? What would you like him to sing about?

Something less ignorant - like big cities and shit.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #25 posted 04/18/17 6:50pm

luvsexy4all

dance4me3121 said:

We have to wait until June 2 for a physical release? Also I'm not a apple music user.I hate to download the app to purchase this EP but I will if I have to. Hopefully it will be on Amazon or Google music

it says this friday on CD..not june 2

Reply #26 posted 04/18/17 6:50pm

jaawwnn

bluegangsta said:

blizzybiz said:

just curious; given his proclivity to weave religion into just about everything he did, and knowing that as peopel get older, their beliefs change, mature, etc., what the fuck is the issue here? What would you like him to sing about?

Something less ignorant - like big cities and shit.

and Pyramids!

Reply #27 posted 04/18/17 6:51pm

blizzybiz

bluegangsta said:

blizzybiz said:

just curious; given his proclivity to weave religion into just about everything he did, and knowing that as peopel get older, their beliefs change, mature, etc., what the fuck is the issue here? What would you like him to sing about?

Something less ignorant - like big cities and shit.

some would argue singing about big cities and shit is bullshit.

Reply #28 posted 04/18/17 6:52pm

bluegangsta

blizzybiz said:

bluegangsta said:

Something less ignorant - like big cities and shit.

some would argue singing about big cities and shit is bullshit.

At least they exist. lol

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #29 posted 04/18/17 6:53pm

jjam

grantevans said:

Is that him in the video or an impersonator?

An impersonator.

Reply #30 posted 04/18/17 6:54pm

grantevans

jjam said:

grantevans said:

Is that him in the video or an impersonator?

An impersonator.

Pretty good on some of the body language...

Reply #31 posted 04/18/17 6:56pm

dance4me3121

luvsexy4all said:

 



dance4me3121 said:


We have to wait until June 2 for a physical release? Also I'm not a apple music user.I hate to download the app to purchase this EP but I will if I have to. Hopefully it will be on Amazon or Google music

it says this friday on CD..not june 2



http://www.spin.com/2017/04/prince-deliverance-ep-new-music/

I was referring to this article.


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Reply #32 posted 04/18/17 6:57pm

blizzybiz

bluegangsta said:

blizzybiz said:

some would argue singing about big cities and shit is bullshit.

At least they exist. lol

Here's the thing. I'm agnostic. I don't believe everything that Prince says about God, Jesus, etc., but I'm acrutely interested in hearing someone like Prince sing about something he is obviously very passionate about. Without that passion I don't think that Prince would be the artist he was.

I'm secure enough in my belief, or lack thereof, to be openminded and listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he is so religious/what drove his beliefs. I just can't understand people who are so closed to anything outside of what they believe.

Reply #33 posted 04/18/17 6:58pm

2020

bluegangsta said:

 



blizzybiz said:


 



bluegangsta said:


 


Oh good, this is going to be some dogmatic "my religion is right and your rational, observable facts aren't" bullshit.



just curious; given his proclivity to weave religion into just about everything he did, and knowing that as peopel get older, their beliefs change, mature, etc., what the fuck is the issue here?  What would you like him to sing about?  



Something less ignorant - like big cities and shit.


There's only one thing ignorant here and it's not the song SMH
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Reply #34 posted 04/18/17 6:58pm

Genesia

Be still my broken heart.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #35 posted 04/18/17 7:03pm

PicassoFace

Downloaded and gave a quick listen to the songs. Definitely doesn't sound like anything Prince ever intended to release as a project. It makes me think that this is what the Chaos and Disorder album would have sounded like if Prince had 3rd Eyed Girl back then. This is Prince on auto-pilot. Some of these songs might just have to grow on me.

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Reply #36 posted 04/18/17 7:04pm

thedance

sounds fake..

Am I the only one thinking that.. question

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Reply #37 posted 04/18/17 7:07pm

SchlomoThaHomo

Yikes. Kinda conflicted about it. Wonderful to hear his voice on new music again, but this shouldn't have been the first new thing. The strategy behind getting the vault music out there is still being worked out, and this kind of throws a wrench into things, and cheapens what they're trying to do for the future. You know Prince wouldn't be happy about this, especially about a bootleg Prince dancing around in the video. Can't say I didn't buy it though!
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Reply #38 posted 04/18/17 7:07pm

jaawwnn

thedance said:

sounds fake..

Am I the only one thinking that.. question

I don't hear anything in there that doesn't sound like Prince from the past decade. Maybe not specifically 2006-2008, some of it sounds 3rd eye girl ish.

Reply #39 posted 04/18/17 7:09pm

Musze

God, I NEEDED this.
I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
Reply #40 posted 04/18/17 7:12pm

rogifan

Song sounds cool to me. But sucks that it's basically an unofficial bootleg. How did it make it on to iTunes?
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Reply #41 posted 04/18/17 7:12pm

TrcikyChristopher

jaawwnn said:

thedance said:

sounds fake..

Am I the only one thinking that.. question

I don't hear anything in there that doesn't sound like Prince from the past decade. Maybe not specifically 2006-2008, some of it sounds 3rd eye girl ish.

Here's the info on the title track

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Deliverance

Choir parts recorded sometime last year, under the watchful eye of the estate, I'm told by one of the members.

Reply #42 posted 04/18/17 7:13pm

luvsexy4all

TrcikyChristopher said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't hear anything in there that doesn't sound like Prince from the past decade. Maybe not specifically 2006-2008, some of it sounds 3rd eye girl ish.

Here's the info on the title track

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Deliverance

Choir parts recorded sometime last year, under the watchful eye of the estate, I'm told by one of the members.

..then why the lawsuit??

Reply #43 posted 04/18/17 7:15pm

TrcikyChristopher

luvsexy4all said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Here's the info on the title track

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Deliverance

Choir parts recorded sometime last year, under the watchful eye of the estate, I'm told by one of the members.

..then why the lawsuit??

Because of the masters and the actual release. Probably nothing officially agreed to, especially after the initial Universal agreement.

Reply #44 posted 04/18/17 7:15pm

rogifan

luvsexy4all said:

 



TrcikyChristopher said:


 



jaawwnn said:


 


I don't hear anything in there that doesn't sound like Prince from the past decade. Maybe not specifically 2006-2008, some of it sounds 3rd eye girl ish.



Here's the info on the title track


 


http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Deliverance


 


Choir parts recorded sometime last year, under the watchful eye of the estate, I'm told by one of the members.



..then why the lawsuit??


Because the Estate/Universal should be the ones releasing this?
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Reply #45 posted 04/18/17 7:16pm

EddieC

Okay, are you guys getting this from the princerogersnelson site? I'm just asking because I'm feeling nervous about using it, for some reason. Probably because I routinely feel nervous about giving information to almost any site, but still--it's not up on iTunes or anything more mainstream yet is it?

I mean, I'm intending to buy the thing--I'm just hoping to do so through some established entity (though I realize that might not ever happen, if the estate isn't down with it--so I can't wait too long before doing something, I guess).

Any more developed reviews/descriptions? I listened to the snippet of Deliverance on Pitchfork, and saw the other thread mentioning the extended I Am, but anyone else got more details?

Reply #46 posted 04/18/17 7:17pm

donnyenglish

I havent heard the rest lf the tracks, but the song Deliverance sounds 100% Prince to me. The fake Prince dancing is tragic. Stop doing dumb shit. No impersonations. Never.
Reply #47 posted 04/18/17 7:18pm

Genesia

It's on iTunes - but only in the US.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #48 posted 04/18/17 7:23pm

TrcikyChristopher

rogifan said:

luvsexy4all said:

..then why the lawsuit??

Because the Estate/Universal should be the ones releasing this?

If the original agreement between the engineer meant that the Estate or Prince himself owned the master and controlled the release, then absolutely, the Estate or Universal should be the ones to release it.

Reply #49 posted 04/18/17 7:23pm

thedance

Ok......... I admit it DOES sound like Prince, on the song "Deliverance":

only that video, is so fake...

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Reply #50 posted 04/18/17 7:23pm

jaawwnn

EddieC said:

Okay, are you guys getting this from the princerogersnelson site? I'm just asking because I'm feeling nervous about using it, for some reason. Probably because I routinely feel nervous about giving information to almost any site, but still--it's not up on iTunes or anything more mainstream yet is it?

I mean, I'm intending to buy the thing--I'm just hoping to do so through some established entity (though I realize that might not ever happen, if the estate isn't down with it--so I can't wait too long before doing something, I guess).

Any more developed reviews/descriptions? I listened to the snippet of Deliverance on Pitchfork, and saw the other thread mentioning the extended I Am, but anyone else got more details?

Payments are processed by Stripe so you're not giving your financials to anyone but them. I felt a bit weird about it as well, especially since this is going against what Prince would have wanted, but then so is being on Spotify neutral

None of the other tracks are as good as Deliverance but still decent. There's some weird editing going on that makes all the tracks segue into each other, it's really like Deliverance and then one other long song in several parts. The extended I Am fades out fairly quick as well, I wonder if the entire thing wasn't one very long jam session edited together.

[Edited 4/18/17 19:24pm]

Reply #51 posted 04/18/17 7:25pm

Moonbeam

EddieC said:

Okay, are you guys getting this from the princerogersnelson site? I'm just asking because I'm feeling nervous about using it, for some reason. Probably because I routinely feel nervous about giving information to almost any site, but still--it's not up on iTunes or anything more mainstream yet is it?

I mean, I'm intending to buy the thing--I'm just hoping to do so through some established entity (though I realize that might not ever happen, if the estate isn't down with it--so I can't wait too long before doing something, I guess).

Any more developed reviews/descriptions? I listened to the snippet of Deliverance on Pitchfork, and saw the other thread mentioning the extended I Am, but anyone else got more details?


I feel the same. I want to buy it, but I'm not an American resident anymore.

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Reply #52 posted 04/18/17 7:25pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

The timing is interesting. hmmm

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You certainly proved that Prince, beyond any doubt.
Reply #53 posted 04/18/17 7:27pm

rogifan

I'm not buying it outright. If it comes off Apple Music oh well.
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Reply #54 posted 04/18/17 7:29pm

RaspBerryGirlFriend

Well this is weird, not sure whether I'll purchase as it seems a little shady but my curiosity is definitely piqued. So is the full EP available right now?
Heavenly wine and roses seems to whisper to me when you smile...
Always cry for love, never cry for pain...
Reply #55 posted 04/18/17 7:31pm

Doozer

EddieC said:

Okay, are you guys getting this from the princerogersnelson site? I'm just asking because I'm feeling nervous about using it, for some reason. Probably because I routinely feel nervous about giving information to almost any site, but still--it's not up on iTunes or anything more mainstream yet is it?

I mean, I'm intending to buy the thing--I'm just hoping to do so through some established entity (though I realize that might not ever happen, if the estate isn't down with it--so I can't wait too long before doing something, I guess).

Any more developed reviews/descriptions? I listened to the snippet of Deliverance on Pitchfork, and saw the other thread mentioning the extended I Am, but anyone else got more details?

I bought it fromprincerogersnelson.com.

I paid for FLAC files which are terribly overpriced. Don't do it. $19.99 for FLAC vs $6.99 for MP3.

Here's the track list and times. The tracks sound excellent from a sound quality soundpoint, but they're quite short:


Deliverance
3:45

I Am (Extended) 3:50

I Am 2:25

No One Else 2:53

Sunrise Sunset 1:13

Touch Me 1:49


I haven't listened to each in enough detail to warrant a description, but this is definitely the real thing.

Reply #56 posted 04/18/17 7:33pm

jjam

Legally, without some agreement with Prince he can produce to validate the release, he is in trouble. Aggregators are pretty hot on that, so he could find himself sued by the estate, various digital services like iTunes et al and the aggregator.

Reply #57 posted 04/18/17 7:34pm

Doozer

Moonbeam said:

EddieC said:

Okay, are you guys getting this from the princerogersnelson site? I'm just asking because I'm feeling nervous about using it, for some reason. Probably because I routinely feel nervous about giving information to almost any site, but still--it's not up on iTunes or anything more mainstream yet is it?

I mean, I'm intending to buy the thing--I'm just hoping to do so through some established entity (though I realize that might not ever happen, if the estate isn't down with it--so I can't wait too long before doing something, I guess).

Any more developed reviews/descriptions? I listened to the snippet of Deliverance on Pitchfork, and saw the other thread mentioning the extended I Am, but anyone else got more details?


I feel the same. I want to buy it, but I'm not an American resident anymore.

It's just a button to check that verifies you're in the U.S. There is nothing that actually checks your location.

This seems like the kind of thing that Apple would find out about and remove very quickly if it ever makes it to Apple Music or iTunes. So, I bought it.

Reply #58 posted 04/18/17 7:36pm

SomeSoldier

Moonbeam said:

EddieC said:

Okay, are you guys getting this from the princerogersnelson site? I'm just asking because I'm feeling nervous about using it, for some reason. Probably because I routinely feel nervous about giving information to almost any site, but still--it's not up on iTunes or anything more mainstream yet is it?

I mean, I'm intending to buy the thing--I'm just hoping to do so through some established entity (though I realize that might not ever happen, if the estate isn't down with it--so I can't wait too long before doing something, I guess).

Any more developed reviews/descriptions? I listened to the snippet of Deliverance on Pitchfork, and saw the other thread mentioning the extended I Am, but anyone else got more details?


I feel the same. I want to buy it, but I'm not an American resident anymore.

I bought it from the UK in the princerogersnelson website. It's downloaded fine, and hopefuly they won't take all my money and my savings...

Reply #59 posted 04/18/17 7:39pm

EddieC

Boy, that is short. I thought the difference in price for FLAC vs mp3 was steep, but I hate to not have lossless (almost everything else I have of Prince is... but there are exceptions, so I'll probably go with mp3 in the end.

Thanks for the responses, everyone!

Reply #60 posted 04/18/17 7:40pm

goonerrhys96

SomeSoldier said:

Moonbeam said:


I feel the same. I want to buy it, but I'm not an American resident anymore.

I bought it from the UK in the princerogersnelson website. It's downloaded fine, and hopefuly they won't take all my money and my savings...

How I feel right now! Felt happy listening to it, then it ended and I started thinking whether I will lose everything I have for an EP.

Reply #61 posted 04/18/17 7:46pm

JudasLChrist

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The timing is interesting. hmmm



OK... here's how this looks to me. Guy has some unfinished Prince tracks. Maybe not even that much. He spends a year 'finishing' them. He squeezes the unfinished tracks into an entire 'EP', and then puts them onsale on the date of Prince's death, and it's all half assed.

Very fucked up if you ask me. I ain't buying this shit. This is someone who is truly cashing in. Trying to sell it as "spiritual' too. Fucking gross!

Reply #62 posted 04/18/17 7:48pm

EnDoRpHn

"Hear an Unreleased Prince Song, 'Deliverance,' Ahead of New EP Coming This Friday"

http://www.spin.com/2017/04/prince-deliverance-ep-new-music/

From the article:

Here’s how a press release describes the EP:

The songs were written and recorded when Prince was an independent artist, protesting what he saw as an unjust music industry. In the spirit of that independence, and in supporting Prince’s opinion of major label contracts, Deliverance is being released independently via RMA, a Vancouver WA based record company. The majority of from all sales of Deliverance will benefit Prince’s estate.

[Edited 4/18/17 19:50pm]
Reply #63 posted 04/18/17 7:50pm

rainbowchild

Thanks for the heads up! Bought the song on iTunes and love it. It will be available on Amazon Music too. I asked Alexa to play the song on my Echo and she played a sample of the song.
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Reply #64 posted 04/18/17 7:53pm

TwiliteKid

SomeSoldier said:

Moonbeam said:


I feel the same. I want to buy it, but I'm not an American resident anymore.

I bought it from the UK in the princerogersnelson website. It's downloaded fine, and hopefuly they won't take all my money and my savings...

Payment is taken by Stripe, which is legit and secure. Your credit card info is fully protected.

Reply #65 posted 04/18/17 7:58pm

lavie

I did the preorder on itunes and got the song "deliverance" which I LOVE. The preorder of the EP is $3.99 on itunes and I guess if you want it now, download it for $6.99 on the princerogersnelson.com website. Man they sure were slick getting that url! lol Can't believe the estate didn't scoop that.

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Reply #66 posted 04/18/17 8:00pm

mothyham

I got it off Itunes.

souns great.

nice to have something "new" to me.

Speaking of new....I just put a deposit on a cloud guitar built by dave rusan.

spoke to him on the phone first...talked about 30 minutes.

Nice feller, has accent of "Fargo". Made me smile.

he's making them to spec, from the original 4 Prince commissioned.

Some dude in australia is getting #5.

I'm hoping for 17.

Reply #67 posted 04/18/17 8:01pm

gandorb

SomeSoldier said:

Moonbeam said:


I feel the same. I want to buy it, but I'm not an American resident anymore.

I bought it from the UK in the princerogersnelson website. It's downloaded fine, and hopefuly they won't take all my money and my savings...

If they do, I'll see you in bankrupt hell lol !

Reply #68 posted 04/18/17 8:01pm

EnDoRpHn

Hmmm, it was available on Apple Music a couple of hours ago, but now it's not.

Don't have a good feeling based on this "video":

https://www.facebook.com/prince.deliverance/videos/1218677821564713/
Reply #69 posted 04/18/17 8:03pm

EddieC

rainbowchild said:

Thanks for the heads up! Bought the song on iTunes and love it. It will be available on Amazon Music too. I asked Alexa to play the song on my Echo and she played a sample of the song.

Yep, I just looked on Amazon based on your post--$5.34 for pre-order, expected on the 20th. No sign of the CD release, but samples of all the tracks (though they have the samples for Sunrise Sunset and No One Else switched around). So, I guess I'll be going with Amazon, and maybe follow up with the CD when it comes.

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Reply #70 posted 04/18/17 8:12pm

donnyenglish

I listened to the album and it sounds good. Here is my review because I freaking miss doing this.

Deliverance: Great song. Love the guitar and love the lyrics.

I Am (Extended): Defintely sounds like a Plectrum Electrum outtake. Better than many of the songs on that album. Loving it.

Touch Me: Very short and sweet song. Kinda like Sea of Everything if there is a comparison. Amazing guitar at the end that sounds like the end of I Will.

Sunrise Sunset: Also very short and very sweet but very good. Unique sounding song in the vein of All the Midnights.

No One Else: This one gets better as the song goes on, but not as strong as the others because it kinds just lingers, but it finishes very strong. The last 3 songs sound like they go together. As a whole, they make one long very good song.

I like this as a whole because it sounds a bit different and fresh. It is not AOA level of an effort, but I don't think that was the intention. But, it certainly is a nice thing to pick up our spirits a bit. Enjoy it.

Nothing is authorized anymore. These same clueless folks have his stuff on spotify and iTunes against his wishes and call it official. He left his vault for fans. That is his will. The chaos was planned.

Reply #71 posted 04/18/17 8:16pm

rogifan

😔

UqGq
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #72 posted 04/18/17 8:17pm

sulls

OMG! OMG! OMG!!!! Lovin' Deliverance! Was only able to preorder the rest of it via iTunes.

[Edited 4/18/17 20:21pm]

"I like to watch."
Reply #73 posted 04/18/17 8:17pm

pld71

I like. The ep has a chaos and disorder vibe. And CAMILLE.
[Edited 4/18/17 20:23pm]
Reply #74 posted 04/18/17 8:21pm

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

I listened to the album and it sounds good.  Here is my review because I freaking miss doing this.  


 


Deliverance:  Great song.  Love the guitar and love the lyrics.  


 


I Am (Extended):  Defintely sounds like a Plectrum Electrum outtake. Better than many of the songs on that album.  Loving it.  


 


Touch Me:  Very short and sweet song.  Kinda like Sea of Everything if there is a comparison.  Amazing guitar at the end that sounds like the end of I Will.  


 


Sunrise Sunset:  Also very short and very sweet but very good.  Unique sounding song in the vein of All the Midnights.  


 


No One Else:  This one gets better as the song goes on, but not as strong as the others because it kinds just lingers, but it finishes very strong.  The last 3 songs sound like they go together.  As a whole, they make one long very good song.  


 


I like this as a whole because it sounds a bit different and fresh.  It is not AOA level of an effort, but I don't think that was the intention.  But, it certainly is a nice thing to pick up our spirits a bit.  Enjoy it.  


 


Nothing is authorized anymore. These same clueless folks have his stuff on spotify and iTunes against his wishes and call it official. He left his vault for fans. That is his will. The chaos was planned.


 


There's a difference between the Estate working out deals to put his music on streaming services and some engineer putting out an EP of remixed music against the estates wishes. And when one says "fans" what do they mean? Who determines what constitutes a fan?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #75 posted 04/18/17 8:26pm

GustavoRibas

Deliverance sounds real good, organic. Loved the guitar and church vibe

Peace
Gustavo Ribas
Reply #76 posted 04/18/17 8:31pm

jaawwnn

Of course the fact that this was "finished" by someone else after prince died makes it messy as hell doesn't it? I like Deliverance a lot though.

Reply #77 posted 04/18/17 8:36pm

TrcikyChristopher

jaawwnn said:

Of course the fact that this was "finished" by someone else after prince died makes it messy as hell doesn't it? I like Deliverance a lot though.

Deliverance was only finished in terms of choir recording. Everything else was already recorded.

As far as "I Am" - I'd be surprised if that's not the Elissa track rerecorded.

Also, "No One Else" may be the Amel Larrieux track redone... at least that's what I hope.

Reply #78 posted 04/18/17 8:36pm

donnyenglish

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

I listened to the album and it sounds good.  Here is my review because I freaking miss doing this.  


 


Deliverance:  Great song.  Love the guitar and love the lyrics.  


 


I Am (Extended):  Defintely sounds like a Plectrum Electrum outtake. Better than many of the songs on that album.  Loving it.  


 


Touch Me:  Very short and sweet song.  Kinda like Sea of Everything if there is a comparison.  Amazing guitar at the end that sounds like the end of I Will.  


 


Sunrise Sunset:  Also very short and very sweet but very good.  Unique sounding song in the vein of All the Midnights.  


 


No One Else:  This one gets better as the song goes on, but not as strong as the others because it kinds just lingers, but it finishes very strong.  The last 3 songs sound like they go together.  As a whole, they make one long very good song.  


 


I like this as a whole because it sounds a bit different and fresh.  It is not AOA level of an effort, but I don't think that was the intention.  But, it certainly is a nice thing to pick up our spirits a bit.  Enjoy it.  


 


Nothing is authorized anymore. These same clueless folks have his stuff on spotify and iTunes against his wishes and call it official. He left his vault for fans. That is his will. The chaos was planned.


 


There's a difference between the Estate working out deals to put his music on streaming services and some engineer putting out an EP of remixed music against the estates wishes. And when one says "fans" what do they mean? Who determines what constitutes a fan?


There are those that love Prince. None of us can say who really loves Prince and who does not. But his gift to those that loved him was his music both released and unreleased. "The Estate" is a legal entity and it has its role. The record companies, streaming services, attorneys, etc. all have their role also. I believe he knew the chaos that would ensue when he passed and it was his plan as only Prince would do so that those that loved him would get his music. If we start debating about who should profit then we miss the point.
Reply #79 posted 04/18/17 8:37pm

2020

donnyenglish said:

I listened to the album and it sounds good.  Here is my review because I freaking miss doing this.  


 


Deliverance:  Great song.  Love the guitar and love the lyrics.  


 


I Am (Extended):  Defintely sounds like a Plectrum Electrum outtake. Better than many of the songs on that album.  Loving it.  


 


Touch Me:  Very short and sweet song.  Kinda like Sea of Everything if there is a comparison.  Amazing guitar at the end that sounds like the end of I Will.  


 


Sunrise Sunset:  Also very short and very sweet but very good.  Unique sounding song in the vein of All the Midnights.  


 


No One Else:  This one gets better as the song goes on, but not as strong as the others because it kinds just lingers, but it finishes very strong.  The last 3 songs sound like they go together.  As a whole, they make one long very good song.  


 


I like this as a whole because it sounds a bit different and fresh.  It is not AOA level of an effort, but I don't think that was the intention.  But, it certainly is a nice thing to pick up our spirits a bit.  Enjoy it.  


 


Nothing is authorized anymore. These same clueless folks have his stuff on spotify and iTunes against his wishes and call it official. He left his vault for fans. That is his will. The chaos was planned.


 


 


 


 


 


 


Thanks for the review! Can't wait to get it Friday. Pre-ordered on iTunes. Deliverance is on constant repeat. Hearing new music from Prince is so good for my soul right now. I love the reasoning for releasing this as an independent release in the spirit of Prince's fight against the labels for so long and finding new ways to distribute his music. The controversy continues even after his death...brilliant.

Also love you comment above...He left his vault for fans. That is his will.

The chaos was planned.

I could not agree more.

THE CHAOS WAS PLANNED.
[Edited 4/18/17 20:49pm]
The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
Reply #80 posted 04/18/17 8:39pm

Leopard52

Thank the Lord! I needed this. I don't care if it's what the estate wants. I don't care if Prince wouldn't be happy. I just don't care. After reading all the search warrant pages this was such a wonderful surprise. Its something good in this sad anniversary time period. I've only heard Deliverance but I liked it better than the new song released on the 4ever release. I've never had a bootleg and if that's what they wanna call this - I don't care about that either. biggrin
Reply #81 posted 04/18/17 8:40pm

jaawwnn

TrcikyChristopher said:

jaawwnn said:

Of course the fact that this was "finished" by someone else after prince died makes it messy as hell doesn't it? I like Deliverance a lot though.

Deliverance was only finished in terms of choir recording. Everything else was already recorded.

As far as "I Am" - I'd be surprised if that's not the Elissa track rerecorded.

Also, "No One Else" may be the Amel Larrieux track redone... at least that's what I hope.

But would he have wanted a choir on it? Did he leave notes instructing a choir be added? If yes would he have approved of the choir that was added?

I mean, it sounds great, don't get me wrong but... well...you know. Do we want Peggy Sue got Married with or without the overdubs? Will we be sold the untouched version of this song in a few years?

[Edited 4/18/17 20:41pm]

Reply #82 posted 04/18/17 8:43pm

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

rogifan said:


There's a difference between the Estate working out deals to put his music on streaming services and some engineer putting out an EP of remixed music against the estates wishes. And when one says "fans" what do they mean? Who determines what constitutes a fan?


There are those that love Prince. None of us can say who really loves Prince and who does not. But his gift to those that loved him was his music both released and unreleased. "The Estate" is a legal entity and it has its role. The record companies, streaming services, attorneys, etc. all have their role also. I believe he knew the chaos that would ensue when he passed and it was his plan as only Prince would do so that those that loved him would get his music. If we start debating about who should profit then we miss the point.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. I'm glad his music is on streaming services. I loved the guy but didn't agree with all his business decisions. I'm all for cutting out the middleman and artists getting the profits from sales. But physical media is not where it's at in the 21st century, and I want his music to be where the people are. I want him to acquire new fans, young people to hear what real music by real musicians is like. And I think Spotify is one of the best ways to do that.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #83 posted 04/18/17 8:44pm

EddieC

TrcikyChristopher said:

jaawwnn said:

Of course the fact that this was "finished" by someone else after prince died makes it messy as hell doesn't it? I like Deliverance a lot though.

Deliverance was only finished in terms of choir recording. Everything else was already recorded.

As far as "I Am" - I'd be surprised if that's not the Elissa track rerecorded.

Also, "No One Else" may be the Amel Larrieux track redone... at least that's what I hope.

I don't know the Amel Larrieux, so I can't say anything about it. But from the snippets on Amazon there is no connection between the I Am that appears on this EP and the earlier song. Those of you with the full tracks should be able to clear that issue up, however.

Reply #84 posted 04/18/17 8:45pm

rogifan

jaawwnn said:

 



TrcikyChristopher said:


 



jaawwnn said:


Of course the fact that this was "finished" by someone else after prince died makes it messy as hell doesn't it? I like Deliverance a lot though. 

 



Deliverance was only finished in terms of choir recording. Everything else was already recorded.


As far as "I Am" - I'd be surprised if that's not the Elissa track rerecorded.


Also, "No One Else" may be the Amel Larrieux track redone... at least that's what I hope.



But would he have wanted a choir on it? Did he leave notes instructing a choir be added? If yes would he have approved of the choir that was added?

I mean, it sounds great, don't get me wrong but... well...you know. Do we want Peggy Sue got Married with or without the overdubs? Will we be sold the untouched version of this song in a few years?

 

[Edited 4/18/17 20:41pm]


I don't know but I love it. The choir fits on this song so well.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #85 posted 04/18/17 8:47pm

pld71

TrcikyChristopher said:

 



jaawwnn said:


Of course the fact that this was "finished" by someone else after prince died makes it messy as hell doesn't it? I like Deliverance a lot though. 

 



Deliverance was only finished in terms of choir recording. Everything else was already recorded.


As far as "I Am" - I'd be surprised if that's not the Elissa track rerecorded.


Also, "No One Else" may be the Amel Larrieux track redone... at least that's what I hope.



I am is not elisa's track. Not familiar with the amel song.
Reply #86 posted 04/18/17 8:47pm

grantevans

I am is a totally different track to the Elisa Fiorillo one

Reply #87 posted 04/18/17 8:58pm

2020

That guitar riff at :37 is exactly like OctopusHeart and it just elevates this song to a higher level.

What a gift this song right here is to all of us on a week that has been full of pain as the dreaded day approaches, the release on Monday, Universal backing out....

All that pain dissolves away listening to this totally unexpected new song from Prince and that pain is replaced with...full on joy! Thanks PRINCE.
[Edited 4/18/17 21:02pm]
The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
Reply #88 posted 04/18/17 9:01pm

Butterscotch

Hell to the naw to the naw naw naw!
"There is only one success-To spend your life in your own way!"
Reply #89 posted 04/18/17 9:02pm

bashraka

I will download the EP for free. Not putting money into this charlatans' bank account. I do dig "Deliverance" though.

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
Reply #90 posted 04/18/17 9:10pm

teoalcantara

You lucky guys! I'm dying 2 hear the new tracks, and the tidbits of info and mini-reviews being posted here are taking my anxiousness to a whole new level! LOL

At moments like this, I really, reeeally wish my CC was international!

smile

Reply #91 posted 04/18/17 9:36pm

Identity




Well, I like the cover. Grabbing a torrent soon.

▶▶
Reply #92 posted 04/18/17 9:53pm

purplethunder3121

The best track is Deliverance...

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #93 posted 04/18/17 9:55pm

swoonfed

Umm.......

via Billboard

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7767554/prince-unreleased-music-deliverance-ep-stream

"Prince co-wrote and co-produced the songs with his mixing and recording engineer from 2004–2009, Ian Boxill. Boxill spent the past year after Prince's passing completing the compositions and arrangements, finishing the production and mixing the songs."

Highly suspicious.

In other words... WTF is this?!??

[Edited 4/18/17 21:56pm]

Reply #94 posted 04/18/17 9:56pm

syl

I'm glad to hear something new. Love it! cool

Reply #95 posted 04/18/17 9:56pm

Milty2

Itunes only has the one song available an dthe rst on pre-order. Does that other website have all the other songs available?

Hometown Hero: vimeo.com/136326665
Reply #96 posted 04/18/17 9:57pm

Ingela

That snippet on their site sounds pretty damn good.
Reply #97 posted 04/18/17 9:58pm

purplethunder3121

swoonfed said:

Umm.......

via Billboard

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7767554/prince-unreleased-music-deliverance-ep-stream

"Prince co-wrote and co-produced the songs with his mixing and recording engineer from 2004–2009, Ian Boxill. Boxill spent the past year after Prince's passing completing the compositions and arrangements, finishing the production and mixing the songs."

Highly suspicious.

In other words... WTF is this?!??

[Edited 4/18/17 21:56pm]

Some of these songs sound chopped off and unfinished. I don't know why they would release unfinished songs. Deliverance is fully fledged. I know there's more than this...

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #98 posted 04/18/17 9:58pm

Ingela

Is it on Spotify?
Reply #99 posted 04/18/17 10:06pm

syl

Reply #100 posted 04/18/17 10:12pm

Ingela

Awesome track. Feels good especially after all the ugliness from the release of the warrants.

Artistically and spiritually awesome track. I'm glad we all get to hear it. It's a little bit of healing up in hear.

Hope it's not taken down and whomever sicked the lawyers should put them back in their pen.

It's good and we need it out there.
[Edited 4/18/17 22:14pm]
Reply #101 posted 04/18/17 10:14pm

DarkKnight1

This is shady as shit. That video was not prince. This circus just stepped up another level. Glad to have the music, but wow.
(Insert something clever here)
Reply #102 posted 04/18/17 10:15pm

Ingela

DarkKnight1 said:

This is shady as shit. That video was not prince. This circus just stepped up another level. Glad to have the music, but wow.



Oh chill the f out and enjoy a great track.
[Edited 4/18/17 22:16pm]
Reply #103 posted 04/18/17 10:16pm

syl

Ingela said:

Awesome track. Feels good especially after all the ugliness from the release of the warrants. Artistically and spiritually awesome track. I'm glad we all get to hear it. It's a little bit of healing up in hear. Hope it's not taken down and whomever sicked the lawyers should put them back in their pen. It's good and we need it out there. [Edited 4/18/17 22:14pm]

I agree!

Reply #104 posted 04/18/17 10:16pm

purplethunder3121

DarkKnight1 said:

This is shady as shit. That video was not prince. This circus just stepped up another level. Glad to have the music, but wow.

Don't know about any video--listening to the audio and that is defintely Prince.

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #105 posted 04/18/17 10:19pm

DarkKnight1

Ingela said:

DarkKnight1 said:

This is shady as shit. That video was not prince. This circus just stepped up another level. Glad to have the music, but wow.



Oh chill the f out and enjoy a great track.
[Edited 4/18/17 22:16pm]

Maybe you missed the part about being glad to have the music. It is shady, so stfu.
(Insert something clever here)
Reply #106 posted 04/18/17 10:21pm

purplethunder3121

"Who will touch me...and know that I am real" music

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #107 posted 04/18/17 10:27pm

Ingela

DarkKnight1 said:

Ingela said:




Oh chill the f out and enjoy a great track.
[Edited 4/18/17 22:16pm]

Maybe you missed the part about being glad to have the music. It is shady, so stfu.


How's it shady? You a lawyer and have all the specifics? No? Then chill the f out.
[Edited 4/18/17 22:31pm]
Reply #108 posted 04/18/17 10:37pm

purplerabbithole

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]

Reply #109 posted 04/18/17 10:44pm

bashraka

Is information known about the musicians that played on the songs of this EP? The strings on some songs I presume to be Claire Fischer and his rhythm section to be CC Dunham and Joshua Dunham.

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
Reply #110 posted 04/18/17 10:47pm

Ingela

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.


 


 As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release,  support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago,  and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.


 


BTW, Prince's singing is worth  it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..


 


Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.


 


 


 


 


 

[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]



Agreed.
This track is the best celebration and tribute to Prince so far. Fittingly, it is by the man himself.

Fits the closure like nothing else so far.
Reply #111 posted 04/18/17 10:53pm

TrivialPursuit

The EP has leaked, all songs. This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money. Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
http://bit.ly/unboxingprince
Reply #112 posted 04/18/17 10:54pm

purplethunder3121

Ingela said:

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]

Agreed. This track is the best celebration and tribute to Prince so far. Fittingly, it is by the man himself. Fits the closure like nothing else so far.

Couldn't have come on a better day for me...

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #113 posted 04/18/17 11:00pm

Ingela

purplethunder3121 said:

 



Ingela said:


purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.


 


 As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release,  support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago,  and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.


 


BTW, Prince's singing is worth  it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..


 


Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.


 


 


 


 


 


[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]



Agreed. This track is the best celebration and tribute to Prince so far. Fittingly, it is by the man himself. Fits the closure like nothing else so far.

Couldn't have come on a better day for me...



Same here.
Reply #114 posted 04/18/17 11:16pm

ForceofNature

TrivialPursuit said:

The EP has leaked, all songs. This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money. Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.

True, this is different from the PR Deluxe where I would buy that in a heartbeak. Seems like some shady ethics going on even right down to the fake dancing Prince in the video

Reply #115 posted 04/18/17 11:32pm

Kara

swoonfed said:

Umm.....


 


via Billboard


http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7767554/prince-unreleased-music-deliverance-ep-stream


 


 


"Prince co-wrote and co-produced the songs with his mixing and recording engineer from 2004–2009, Ian Boxill. Boxill spent the past year after Prince's passing completing the compositions and arrangements, finishing the production and mixing the songs."


 


Highly suspicious.


 


In other words... WTF is this?!??


 


 

[Edited 4/18/17 21:56pm]


I'm very interested in unreleased songs from this era, but I absolutely will not pay for songs that have been "completed" (beyond fixing up the sound) by anyone else after Prince's death. disbelief Put up the untouched tracks, and I'll happily pay whoever puts it out.
Reply #116 posted 04/18/17 11:34pm

BartVanHemelen

donnyenglish said:

Sad that this is the best thing that has been released since his passing. Really sad. The man left a vault full of treasures and we got nothing after a full year.

.

Put the blame where it is supposed to be: Prince. He left the mess.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #117 posted 04/19/17 12:09am

scratch

I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late.

Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements.

I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?
Reply #118 posted 04/19/17 12:14am

luvgirl

eek Wow, great song. Too bad all the drama to go along with it..
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #119 posted 04/19/17 12:14am

Farfunknugin

Anyone know where the leaked tracks are? Don't want to give a dime to this slime but would love to hear something new from our dearly departed Princey.

Reply #120 posted 04/19/17 12:19am

luvgirl

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[Edited 4/20/17 3:09am]
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #121 posted 04/19/17 12:20am

IstenSzek

loving the way

I am / Touch Me / Sunrise Sunset / No One Else

all flow into one another.

music

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #122 posted 04/19/17 12:25am

Kara

rogifan said:

😔

UqGq

disbelief

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519971413598208

Mathieu Bitton‏ @candyTman

It's unreal. I never thought these would come out. Well I'm sure they will be stopped. This guy is nuts! He added stuff to the tracks too

10:20 PM · Apr 18, 2017 from West Hollywood, CA


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Reply #123 posted 04/19/17 12:30am

Kara

JudasLChrist said:

 



HatrinaHaterwitz said:


The timing is interesting. hmmm





OK... here's how this looks to me. Guy has some unfinished Prince tracks. Maybe not even that much. He spends a year 'finishing' them. He squeezes the unfinished tracks into an entire 'EP', and then puts them onsale on the date of Prince's death, and it's all half assed.

Very fucked up if you ask me. I ain't buying this shit. This is someone who is truly cashing in. Trying to sell it as "spiritual' too. Fucking gross!


Agreed.
Reply #124 posted 04/19/17 12:31am

swoonfed

To (not so) briefly weigh in on the "putting his music on Spotify against his wishes" etc etc argument...

P's issue was always "they wasn't in the studio", regarding folks profiting off of his creations.

Who is there left to protect??

Do we not all benefit from allowing his music/performances to reach anyone and everyone from now un.til.the.end of time??

Spotify, Youtube, wherever. Let's see it. Let people hear it.

How many thousands (millions?) of folks have been exposed to live performances, rare tracks, OFFICIAL tracks, that they otherwise never would have been, and have come away in awe.

Isn't that what we want? To spread the word? His message? Let it be known?

People are like, WOW! I never knew!!

Who are we protecting? The estate?? Those that opened up his house and had people parading though, what, nine months after he left us??? Oh, I think they'll do just fine. For better or worse.

They wasn't in the studio.

Let the man's creativity breathe. Finally! Spread the love. The world needs it. The example, if nothing else.

...................

And again, the idea of anyone not named Prince "finishing" tracks, as in writing/arranging/producing withOUT him... oh, man. Has he ever had that arrangement with ANYone?? He'd never allow it. Especially not now. Not there to approve the finished product? No way. None. Ever.

Reply #125 posted 04/19/17 12:36am

dance4me3121

I'm loving these new songs.Im gonna pretend that prince did all the production on these though.
Reply #126 posted 04/19/17 12:38am

MMJas

blizzybiz said:

bluegangsta said:

At least they exist. lol

Here's the thing. I'm agnostic. I don't believe everything that Prince says about God, Jesus, etc., but I'm acrutely interested in hearing someone like Prince sing about something he is obviously very passionate about. Without that passion I don't think that Prince would be the artist he was.

I'm secure enough in my belief, or lack thereof, to be openminded and listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he is so religious/what drove his beliefs. I just can't understand people who are so closed to anything outside of what they believe.

Absolutely agree.
This was a pretty emotional listen to. The guitar is pretty good and the lyrics are pure spiritual Prince. It was an emotional moment listening to this and then learning about the lawsuit...

Please start getting his music out. Spotify, new releases, videos, the lot. Get him to younger people, some of which have no idea who Prince is. Us fans can only do so much, passing this onto our kids and hoping they will pass him onto their friends too. But this is limited. Get him out there. Let the kids hear real music by real musicians.

I'm grateful for this song. I needed this. It's been a rough month and it's gonna be an even rougher week...

Reply #127 posted 04/19/17 1:21am

andykeen

I can't find it 🙁🙁🙁

Keenmeister
Reply #128 posted 04/19/17 1:24am

LIBRA

Paisley Park, Prince Estate File Lawsuit Against Sound Engineer Holding Unpublished Tracks

http://kstp.com/news/prince-estate-lawsuit-engineer-unpublished-tracks/4457793/

Paisley Park and Prince's estate are teaming up in a federal lawsuit against sound engineer and mixer George Ian Boxill who is holding unpublished Prince tracks and threatening to release them, according to court documents.

The lawsuit alleges Boxill is in possession of five unpublished Prince tracks recorded in 2006, including one titled, "Deliverance." The federal lawsuit claims the recordings in controversy amount to a value greater than $75,000.

MORE: Prince One Year Later

The filing states Boxill "is now trying to exploit one or more songs for his personal gain at expense of the Prince Estate."

Boxill is refusing to return the tracks, which Prince's estate managed by Comerica Bank & Trust and Paisley Park Enterprises argues is rightfully theirs and violates a contract Boxill made with Prince.

RELATED: Why the Prince D...ht Drag On

The lawsuit was initially filed in district court Friday; but it was re-filed in federal court Tuesday, since Boxill lives in California. The state suit filed in Carver County was thus withdrawn.

The state lawsuit details the following:

* The lawsuit states Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement, which stated that all recordings he worked on with the pop star "would remain Prince's sole and exclusive property."

* The agreement also stated Boxill "would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever," and "he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request."

* However, Boxill will not return the masters or recordings, and he has shared the tracks with third parties, which all violate his contract, according to the lawsuit.

* The confidentiality agreement echoes Prince's concern for privacy. There was a clause in the contract that states Boxill has "no right to give interviews or write books, articles, etc."

The estate and Paisley Park claim a release of the so-called "Prince Recordings," would hurt its interests "permanently and irreparably." It would hurt business relationships , but more importantly, "it deprives Prince (and now the Estate) from choosing what is released to the public and when," the suit states.

The suit asks for Boxill and any associates working on this to return the Prince Recordings and refrain from using anything Boxill obtained with his sessions with Prince. The estate and Paisley Park said it would like "any and all masters, copies and reproductions" returned. The state lawsuit sought civil liability for theft.

KSTP reached Boxill by phone on Tuesday, but he said he was out of the country and would have to call back later.

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Everybody's lookin 4 the ladder, it's in the garage
Reply #129 posted 04/19/17 1:31am

swoonfed

Holy moly. eek

Stunned by not in the least surprised. I KNEW the situation sounded off.

Not that I have much confidence in them, but kind of a relief to know The Estate isn't having random clowns inserting themselves into his work, giving themselves co-writing/co-producing credits, claiming to be Lennon to his McCartney (or vice versa).

Reply #130 posted 04/19/17 1:32am

fabriziovenerandi

I buyed it. It is more or less 15 minutes of music.

What to say: he is Prince, it is nice to hear he again. Hello Prince.

This is a "dirty" release, but it is a release.

The songs are all good, "Sunrise Sunset / No One Else" is more a single song than two. Very interesting one. Deliverance is a solid good tune. I Am can remember PFunk or something similar.

Reply #131 posted 04/19/17 1:54am

ilo

They just played a snippet on 6music.
Reply #132 posted 04/19/17 1:56am

IstenSzek

ilo said:

They just played a snippet on 6music.


of course they did. if warners don't get their foot out of their ass and release at least
a tracklist for the PR Deluxe or better yet a single, this EP is all that will be mentioned
in write ups for friday.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #133 posted 04/19/17 2:08am

rogifan

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.


 


 As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release,  support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago,  and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.


 


BTW, Prince's singing is worth  it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..


 


Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.


 


 


 


 


 

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Er, when did Prince want his music to be public domain? lol Didn't he sue someone for using one of his songs in an Instagram video of their little kid dancing?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #134 posted 04/19/17 2:14am

rogifan

TrivialPursuit said:

The EP has leaked, all songs.  This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money.  Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.


Well I ripped it from Apple Music (in case it was take down) so I think if I load the ripped version on to my phone and listen to that vs. via Apple Music nobody is making money off my plays.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #135 posted 04/19/17 2:14am

paradise000

absolutely adore this song...hearing his voice and screams on new material makes me miss him even more. We gotta celebrate...

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'This is not religion but common sense
It's time 4 U 2 get down, get down, get off the fence
No son should die, no mother should cry
All n favor, say aye (aye)'

...

prince heart

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'cause you got to know...how I feel about you babe
Reply #136 posted 04/19/17 2:22am

rogifan

scratch said:

I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late.

Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements.

I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #137 posted 04/19/17 2:26am

MMJas

rogifan said:

scratch said:
I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late. Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements. I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?
Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.

Reply #138 posted 04/19/17 2:33am

Kara

rogifan said:

scratch said:

I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late.

Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements.

I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

In my opinion, Prince's unreleased songs are historical documents that should be left just as he left them. That's how I want to hear them. No finishing compositions, adding stuff, etc. Art shouldn't be altered in that way.
Reply #139 posted 04/19/17 2:36am

E319

I bought the whole EP off the www.princerogersnelson.com website.



While it is very short, I thought it was pretty awesome, much better than what I was expecting and well worth the $6.99 price to get it today (and I was worried that the EP might not be available for long).


"Deliverance" is a solid track but it's actually my least favorite.


"I AM" is a great, rockin' tune that I assume has 3rd Eye Girl on it. Religious lyrics which I personally love.

My favorite part of the EP is "Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else." They are listed as 3 seperate songs but they are all short and seem to flow into one another effortlessly so that they almost sound like one entire song. In fact, the end of "No One Else" has a reprise of "Touch Me" but from the sound of it, I'm not sure if that's the way Prince intended it or whether it was just edited that way by the person who put the EP together. Whatever the case may be, it works and the 3 tracks are excellent.... For reference, these songs sound similar in style to "I Will."


Personally, I had no qualms buying the EP... As far as the quality of the songs and music, I feel it's a definite buy for any hardcore Prince fan. With the possible exception of "Deliverance," all the other songs sound like 100% Prince to my ears. And it is absolutely crazy that the first significant batch of unreleased Prince songs have come out in this fashion.

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Black day, stormy night/No love, no hope in sight...
Don't cry, he is coming/Don't die, without knowing...
The Cross.
Reply #140 posted 04/19/17 2:40am

3stori3s

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.

Reply #141 posted 04/19/17 2:44am

dustoff

Good stuff, even if the release seems a bit sketchy. Sounds like what I wished ThirdEyeGirl would've sounded like.

Reply #142 posted 04/19/17 2:44am

mikeyaddict

Regardless of finishing off etc, hasn't the estate had more than enough time to prepare at least one release? They okayed the latest hits package. A release of Black is the New Black, what he was working on at the time would be the logical choice.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #143 posted 04/19/17 2:45am

MMJas

E319 said:

I bought the whole EP off the www.princerogersnelson.com website.



While it is very short, I thought it was pretty awesome, much better than what I was expecting and well worth the $6.99 price to get it today (and I was worried that the EP might not be available for long).


"Deliverance" is a solid track but it's actually my least favorite.


"I AM" is a great, rockin' tune that I assume has 3rd Eye Girl on it. Religious lyrics which I personally love.

My favorite part of the EP is "Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else." They are listed as 3 seperate songs but they are all short and seem to flow into one another effortlessly so that they almost sound like one entire song. In fact, the end of "No One Else" has a reprise of "Touch Me" but from the sound of it, I'm not sure if that's the way Prince intended it or whether it was just edited that way by the person who put the EP together. Whatever the case may be, it works and the 3 tracks are excellent.... For reference, these songs are on the "I Will" tip.


Personally, I had no qualms buying the EP... As far as the quality of the songs and music, I feel it's a definite buy for any hardcore Prince fan. With the possible exception of "Deliverance," all the other songs sound like 100% Prince to my ears. And it is absolutely crazy that the first significant batch of unreleased Prince songs have come out in this fashion.

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Agree.

That sequence is also my favourite, although I really like Deliverance. No One Else is pure gold.

Reply #144 posted 04/19/17 2:58am

LittlePurpleYoda

Enjoying the extended version of "I Am" the most so far.

Reply #145 posted 04/19/17 3:03am

justAmeda

Rolling Stone magazine is even saying this is coming out on Friday. http://www.rollingstone.c...ce-w477578

Reply #146 posted 04/19/17 3:12am

RODSERLING

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

Reply #147 posted 04/19/17 3:16am

AndyForbes

bonnie184 said:

 https://www.princerogersnelson.com


That video cheeps me out.
Reply #148 posted 04/19/17 3:17am

IstenSzek

3stori3s said:

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.



well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #149 posted 04/19/17 3:22am

IstenSzek

having said that, though, i'm hoping that with all this drama going on
someone will manage to slip wally in under the radar biggrin

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #150 posted 04/19/17 3:23am

TheEnglishGent

IstenSzek said:

3stori3s said:

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.



well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.

RIP sad
Reply #151 posted 04/19/17 3:27am

IstenSzek

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:



well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.


i'd like to hear it with his back up singers from that time, like tamar and the twins for example.

i think tamar would work well on backing vocals on this.

but i'm not complaining, i'm just glad we have some new tunes to listen to right now cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #152 posted 04/19/17 3:31am

paulludvig

I quite like the three Touch Me, Sunrise Sunset and Noone Else. I am is ok too. Not so keen on Deliverance.

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #153 posted 04/19/17 3:32am

purplerabbithole

I didn't say that Prince wanted his music to be public domain. I am saying that I think it should be. I don't understand why a group of people he didn't place in his will (the family he wasn't particularly close to) have more of a right to music than anyone else who worked with him? they may not have signed agreements, but they are violating his privacy, auctioning his stuff, and going against his wishes already. I believe however that his wishes are less important than his legacy and reputation right now.

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

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Er, when did Prince want his music to be public domain? lol Didn't he sue someone for using one of his songs in an Instagram video of their little kid dancing?

Reply #154 posted 04/19/17 3:32am

MIRvmn

I really like this ep biggrin Once again it proves that Prince chose no to release some of his best material in recent years
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Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
Reply #155 posted 04/19/17 3:40am

TypoQueen

hmmm what would he say/do when someone making $€£ from his name/music.
hmm what would he say/do if someone messed with his craft.

Don't bother with the lawyers they drag ish out and get rich from his craft
Upload for people to download for free then smile.

If I was the estate I would put all music on official paisley park website that this guy is trying to sell and invite all to download for free. All Sit back and smile think to urself that you got Prince's back.
Reply #156 posted 04/19/17 3:44am

TheEnglishGent

IstenSzek said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.


i'd like to hear it with his back up singers from that time, like tamar and the twins for example.

i think tamar would work well on backing vocals on this.

but i'm not complaining, i'm just glad we have some new tunes to listen to right now cool

Did the twinz do singing? I thought they were just dancers. And yes, Tamar would go well here.

I've only heard Deliverance so far but looking forward to the others. I'm not going to pay someone for an unofficial release, so will wait to hear the rest.

RIP sad
Reply #157 posted 04/19/17 3:51am

donnyenglish

swoonfed said:

To (not so) briefly weigh in on the "putting his music on Spotify against his wishes" etc etc argument...


 


P's issue was always "they wasn't in the studio", regarding folks profiting off of his creations.  


 


Who is there left to protect??


 


Do we not all benefit from allowing his music/performances to reach anyone and everyone from now  un.til.the.end of time??


 


Spotify, Youtube, wherever.  Let's see it.  Let people hear it.  


 


How many thousands (millions?) of folks have been exposed to live performances, rare tracks, OFFICIAL tracks, that they otherwise never would have been, and have come away in awe.  


 


Isn't that what we want? To spread the word? His message? Let it be known? 


 


People are like, WOW! I never knew!! 


 


Who are we protecting? The estate?? Those that opened up his house and had people parading though, what, nine months after he left us??? Oh, I think they'll do just fine.  For better or worse. 


 


They wasn't in the studio. 


 


Let the man's creativity breathe.  Finally!  Spread the love.  The world needs it.  The example, if nothing else.  


 


.....


 


And again, the idea of anyone not named Prince "finishing" tracks, as in writing/arranging/producing withOUT him... oh, man.  Has he ever had that arrangement with ANYone?? He'd never allow it.  Especially not now.  Not there to approve the finished product?  No way.  None.  Ever.  


 


 



I cna agree with the concept that he is gone now and the music needs to be free so that the world can hear it. Perhaps streaming services are now a part of that now that he is gone. So is some dude that helped engineer some tracks for him that has the tapes releasing the stuff on his own. If the end result is the world gets to hear Prince's gifts then it is a good thing. Not sure how the Prince police are saying Deliverance is disrespectful but that hideous urn at Paisley is official and sanctioned? With that said, the video is very disrespectful. Free the music.
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Reply #158 posted 04/19/17 4:04am

BartVanHemelen

rogifan said:


Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault?

.

Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #159 posted 04/19/17 4:06am

BartVanHemelen

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #160 posted 04/19/17 4:12am

rogifan

BartVanHemelen said:

 



rogifan said:



Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? 

.


Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.


I'm conflicted. On the one hand I'm concerned what someone might do and these no longer are Prince songs. On the other hand if some of this stuff is really rough and not a final product he would have released but has potential to be great I'd like the final product to show that greatness. The question is who's overseeing this? I know guys like Dave Hampton and Scott Baldwin have offered their services. I don't want someone who wasn't there at the time reinterpreting things. 🤔
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #161 posted 04/19/17 4:19am

rogifan

Kara said:

rogifan said:


Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

In my opinion, Prince's unreleased songs are historical documents that should be left just as he left them. That's how I want to hear them. No finishing compositions, adding stuff, etc. Art shouldn't be altered in that way.

They're in the vault for a reason. Either he didn't think it was good enough to release or it was unfinished and he didn't get back to finishing it or couldn't find other things to go with it. I'm hoping the people brought on board to oversee the vault are ones that worked with him and have an understanding of the music. Maybe there are some things that just need a little finishing salt to be great. I don't want stuff to be released that everyone hears and the first thing they think is wow this sounds unfinished, or worse this sounds awful (because it's an incomplete thought).
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #162 posted 04/19/17 4:20am

epronk

Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408

"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"

Reply #163 posted 04/19/17 4:24am

Identity

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.



yeahthat

▶▶
Reply #164 posted 04/19/17 4:26am

rogifan

MMJas said:

 



rogifan said:


scratch said:
I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late. Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements. I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

 


This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.


I don't think the Estate will have any problem getting people to offer their services. But I don't want some big name producer who never worked with Prince in charge. What makes most sense to me is catalog the songs by era/year they were recorded and bring in the engineers who were around for that time frame and have them oversee those songs.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #165 posted 04/19/17 4:29am

IstenSzek

epronk said:

Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408

"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"



does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #166 posted 04/19/17 4:33am

3stori3s

IstenSzek said:

 



epronk said:


Finally some music to talk about.  Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?


 


https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408


 


"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"


 


 





does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes




I would be really interested in seeing this as well
Reply #167 posted 04/19/17 4:35am

MMJas

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.

I don't think the Estate will have any problem getting people to offer their services. But I don't want some big name producer who never worked with Prince in charge. What makes most sense to me is catalog the songs by era/year they were recorded and bring in the engineers who were around for that time frame and have them oversee those songs.

Exactly.

Reply #168 posted 04/19/17 4:36am

EddieC

TrivialPursuit said:

The EP has leaked, all songs. This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money. Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.

Honestly, that argument could be made for everything else that ever comes out--none of the money will ever go to either the creator (Prince) or his designated heirs (since there were none). BUT... the only reason (or at least main reason--let's be honest again) that stuff will receive OFFICIAL release is that money will be going to someone. So, if none of us pay (or if only a few of us pay), there's not much chance we're gonna hear much music.

[Edited 4/19/17 4:45am]

Reply #169 posted 04/19/17 4:43am

IstenSzek

3stori3s said:

IstenSzek said:



does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes

I would be really interested in seeing this as well



i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #170 posted 04/19/17 4:54am

rogifan

Was this recorded at Paisley Park?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #171 posted 04/19/17 4:56am

3stori3s

IstenSzek said:

 



3stori3s said:


IstenSzek said:

 




does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes



I would be really interested in seeing this as well



i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

 



Do you have a source or link to this? This one slipped past my radar but I would love to see it. Couldn't find anything on Sam's Twitter
Reply #172 posted 04/19/17 5:03am

RODSERLING

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

.

Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

.

It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

.

I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]

[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]

Reply #173 posted 04/19/17 5:05am

leecaldon

RODSERLING said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

.

Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

.

It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

.

I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]

[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]

This stuff takes time when the artist didn't leave a will.

Reply #174 posted 04/19/17 5:07am

IstenSzek

3stori3s said:

IstenSzek said:



i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

Do you have a source or link to this? This one slipped past my radar but I would love to see it. Couldn't find anything on Sam's Twitter


i'm sorry, i don't. i wouldn't know where to begin looking at this moment,
so many things pop up in all kinds of places and are gone again a day or
so later. but i'm sure other people managed to save the pics.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #175 posted 04/19/17 5:07am

rogifan

RODSERLING said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



RODSERLING said:


At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.


 


Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam



.


This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.



You're talking nonsense.


Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.


.


 


Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.


.


It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.


.


I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.


Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.


[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]

[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]


Who had the authority to release music last year?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #176 posted 04/19/17 5:08am

darkroman

It's sad that someone would think they have the right to release these when they don't.

.

In the last twelve months all we have had is exploitation and very little reflection.

.

Sadly the estate haven't delivered anything of value and have fuelled this.

.

sad

Reply #177 posted 04/19/17 5:16am

bubblebath

My god it feels so good to hear him. I don't really care how it's come to us. I've seriously missed this.

Reply #178 posted 04/19/17 5:16am

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:

 



rogifan said:



Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? 

.


Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.



Totally agree!
Reply #179 posted 04/19/17 5:20am

Kara

rogifan said:

Kara said:


In my opinion, Prince's unreleased songs are historical documents that should be left just as he left them. That's how I want to hear them. No finishing compositions, adding stuff, etc. Art shouldn't be altered in that way.

They're in the vault for a reason. Either he didn't think it was good enough to release or it was unfinished and he didn't get back to finishing it or couldn't find other things to go with it. I'm hoping the people brought on board to oversee the vault are ones that worked with him and have an understanding of the music. Maybe there are some things that just need a little finishing salt to be great. I don't want stuff to be released that everyone hears and the first thing they think is wow this sounds unfinished, or worse this sounds awful (because it's an incomplete thought).

I care much less about other people's opinions of his music than I do about hearing Prince's music in it's unadulterated form as he intended it to sound in that moment in time. Incomplete thoughts can be interesting, too. I love hearing demos/alternate versions, hearing the progression of a song, and gaining insight into the creative process. Someone completing his thoughts for him after his death is artistic sacrilege to me.
Reply #180 posted 04/19/17 5:20am

RODSERLING

rogifan said:

RODSERLING said:

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

.

Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

.

It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

.

I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]

[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]

Who had the authority to release music last year?

PR Deluxe : WB

.

P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK : the estate. These albums exist, it doesn't take 10 years to release them.

It would have been a better idea than to release 4EVER.

Reply #181 posted 04/19/17 5:28am

MIRvmn

bubblebath said:

My god it feels so good to hear him. I don't really care how it's come to us. I've seriously missed this.  


Yes I'm happy as long as we keep getting new music and it really doesn't matter who releases it.
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
Reply #182 posted 04/19/17 5:30am

Kara

epronk said:

Finally some music to talk about.  Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?


 


https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408


 


"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"


 


 


It says so right in the press release... http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-undiscovered-prince-recordings-to-be-released-this-friday-with-deliverance-ep-300441519.html

After Prince's untimely passing, Boxill continued their work by spending the past year completing the compositions and arrangements, finishing the production and mixing the songs.
Reply #183 posted 04/19/17 5:43am

donnyenglish

Back to the music. After listening to it a few times, this is brilliant work. It is basically two great songs with Deliverance and the Opera (I Am/Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else). As good as Deliverance is, I like the combined track even more. This EP doesn't take you back to a certain period, which is great because it really sounds like something new that he would have released in the future. People need to step away from the drama of it all. For a brief moment, it feels like he is here through his music and his surprises. The dude that released it ain't getting paid because he will be sued and people are already downloading it for free. The Estate is not Prince and has struggled to cash in and Universal, WB, Spotify, etc. are all also facing hurdles. This is all by his design. As long as the fans get the music that he left for us then it is all good.

Reply #184 posted 04/19/17 5:45am

rogifan

Something that made me chuckle....on iTunes this EP is categorized as rock. Every other Prince album on iTunes is categorized as R&B/Soul.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #185 posted 04/19/17 5:48am

rogifan

RODSERLING said:

 



rogifan said:


RODSERLING said:

 


You're talking nonsense.


Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.


.


 


Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.


.


It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.


.


I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.


Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.


[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]


[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]



Who had the authority to release music last year?

PR Deluxe : WB


.


P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK : the estate. These albums exist, it doesn't take 10 years to release them. 


It would have been a better idea than to release 4EVER.


Still someone has to release them. The Estate isn't a record company or music distributor. And what is the Estate even? Last year it was Bremar Trust now it's Comerica Bank. They hired the guy from Spotify so hopefully he'll start getting things moving on the music front.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #186 posted 04/19/17 5:51am

egansmind

Great work by RMA to get this EP out in time for Friday which will give everyne a moment

Its a pity the Estate are too busy trying to count their money instead of releasing music

Love Deliverance

Reply #187 posted 04/19/17 5:54am

IstenSzek

Kara said:

rogifan said:
They're in the vault for a reason. Either he didn't think it was good enough to release or it was unfinished and he didn't get back to finishing it or couldn't find other things to go with it. I'm hoping the people brought on board to oversee the vault are ones that worked with him and have an understanding of the music. Maybe there are some things that just need a little finishing salt to be great. I don't want stuff to be released that everyone hears and the first thing they think is wow this sounds unfinished, or worse this sounds awful (because it's an incomplete thought).
I care much less about other people's opinions of his music than I do about hearing Prince's music in it's unadulterated form as he intended it to sound in that moment in time. Incomplete thoughts can be interesting, too. I love hearing demos/alternate versions, hearing the progression of a song, and gaining insight into the creative process. Someone completing his thoughts for him after his death is artistic sacrilege to me.



exactly. besides, who are all these supposed new and young people who are going to be
exposed to all this 'new' prince music and all of a sudden discover the man throught an
archival vault series when they couldn't have cared less about him when he was alive??

any and everything that will be released in future will be for us, hardcore fans.

only re-issues of his warners albums will garner a lot of attention from the general
public and casual fans.

perhaps the first couple of vault releases, if they have enough stellar material, will get a
lot of attention from the press and gain some traction on the charts. but beyond that i'm
curious to see who will be flocking to buy the releases beyond that. even if there are one
or two absolutely brilliant albums a la purple rain or sign o the times still to be released
from the vault, is anyone besides original fans going to bother?

i'd loved to be proven wrong and see prince sell in the millions from his vault releases,
but somehow i doubt that is going to happen.


beyond that i don't give a fuck about what these 'new' people might want to hear since
prince was releasing his last album through peer to peer channels and only a few shops
even stocked it before he died.

so give us what WE want. now that we still got functioning ears and cash to throw at
whomever puts together a decent package.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #188 posted 04/19/17 5:58am

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

Back to the music.  After listening to it a few times, this is brilliant work.  It is basically two great songs with Deliverance and the Opera (I Am/Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else).  As good as Deliverance is, I like the combined track even more.  This EP doesn't take you back to a certain period, which is great because it really sounds like something new that he would have released in the future.  People need to step away from the drama of it all. For a brief moment, it feels like he is here through his music and his surprises.  The dude that released it ain't getting paid because he will be sued and people are already downloading it for free.  The Estate is not Prince and has struggled to cash in and Universal, WB, Spotify, etc. are all also facing hurdles.  This is all by his design.  As long as the fans get the music that he left for us then it is all good. 


Beautifully said. Personally I love the fact this is mid-2000s era music. I think his post WB music is so overlooked probably in large part because it's not so easy for the casual fan to find. It shouldn't be overlooked because it's damn good music. The music between Come and AOA can't get on (non-Tidal) streaming services fast enough imo.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #189 posted 04/19/17 5:58am

lastdecember

I would suggest that people if they want to get this do not even wait for iTunes. Because if pressure is put on them and there is validity to the pressure, than this will get pulled, trust me i have seen things vanish because they seem to come out of nowhere.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #190 posted 04/19/17 5:59am

clairew1975

The estate have filed a lawsuit saying it's an unauthorised release.

The video of a FAKE Prince, I mean REALLY!! This was planned and it pisses me off!

No integrity whatsoever! This would never have been allowed if Prince was alive, he'd have SHUT IT DOWN!
Reply #191 posted 04/19/17 6:06am

3NineteeN04

eek I was shocked by this news! OMG I love the new songs! Kinda reminds of the LotusFlow3r days! Absolutely Funktastic!~

Don't u want to come , 3121. It's gonna be so much fun, 3121. That's where the party be, 3121. Y'all can come if u want to, but u can never leave!
Reply #192 posted 04/19/17 6:08am

PurpleMedley122

Nice to see that the same fans who screamed exploitation everytime a Prince associate opened their mouth are now giving money to and praising a guy who is doing just that (illegal release, came out 4 days before 1 year anniversary, "souped up" tracks, fake Prince in video, charging money for bootleg). Hypocritical.
Reply #193 posted 04/19/17 6:12am

Ingela

clairew1975 said:

The estate have filed a lawsuit saying it's an unauthorised release. The video of a FAKE Prince, I mean REALLY!! This was planned and it pisses me off! No integrity whatsoever! This would never have been allowed if Prince was alive, he'd have SHUT IT DOWN!

Get over yourselff

Reply #194 posted 04/19/17 6:17am

Thibaut

Btw, these tracks are pretty good and seem to be from the planet earth era. I have the same issue with those songs as the songs on planet earth though. For some reason Prince`s voice kind of felt different, weaker than before around that time. Did Prince have some issues with his voice around that time?

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Reply #195 posted 04/19/17 6:18am

soladeo1

Deliverance, the song, is TIGHT. Love the impassioned, raw vocals, the
surging melody, hell even the added production!

Better than Moonbeam Levels???
Reply #196 posted 04/19/17 6:21am

BoraBora


I still have to listen to the EP, but I'm really excited that finally something new came out, and judgin' by the posts of all of you it seems a nice work, well fitting in the P legacy.

To be honest, I'm curious to see what effect will have the Estate lawsuit on the release of the EP.

I can't think of a release planned like this seems to be not founded on something strong, legally talking.

I surely hope the CD release will see the light of the day, at now I'm not sure it will realise.

Anyway, I'm thankful to the guy who made this unexpected little gem available.

Nice to be able to listen again to P, like it was still on here.


Reply #197 posted 04/19/17 6:30am

thisisreece

Deliverance is great track, but who know's how different it would sound if Prince had finished it.

[Edited 4/19/17 6:35am]

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #198 posted 04/19/17 6:34am

2freaky4church1

Good song guys. Quit bitching. He is talking 2 us from tha grave. Listen.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
Reply #199 posted 04/19/17 6:39am

thisisreece

Where is everyone managing to hear the whole ep?

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #200 posted 04/19/17 6:40am

BoraBora

2freaky4church1 said:

Good song guys. Quit bitching. He is talking 2 us from tha grave. Listen.


I'm hearing.... "Don't Buy The Black Album". lol

Reply #201 posted 04/19/17 6:44am

RaspBerryGirlFriend

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Heavenly wine and roses seems to whisper to me when you smile...
Always cry for love, never cry for pain...
Reply #202 posted 04/19/17 6:44am

BoraBora

thisisreece said:

Deliverance is great track, but who know's how different it would sound if Prince had finished it.

[Edited 4/19/17 6:35am]


Who cares?!?!?

What really matters is that is a great track (and I have still to listen to it, I'm writing this according to what I read here).

We have for years and years comments on how "The Long And Winding Road" was destroyed by the Phil Spector arrangement.....

... and when I finally listened to the original version that McCartney released on "Let It Be...Naked" I thinked myself: "Whaaaaatt?!?"


Reply #203 posted 04/19/17 6:44am

donnyenglish

The two best things that have happened since his passing is that Montreux 2013 DVD and Deliverance were released. As a result, no one gets paid and the fans get the music. These are two very high quality releases. The "official" releases have been a weak repackaged set of Prince's movies and a weak repackaged set of Prince's hits and one unreleased song that we already had. The more that I think about it the more that I realize that he designed it this way. He is laughing his ass off in heaven that Universal can't buy the vault. He is laughing his ass off that WB can't fully execute their plan do to conflicting agreements that Prince had with other entities. No streaming service has all of his stuff, by design. Prince created this web of a mess with the thought that it would be very difficult for others to profit from his music. In the end we get his music. We are the beneficiaries of his will. Maybe there is more to the peer to peer distribution idea than we thought. He wants us to manage his vault.

Reply #204 posted 04/19/17 6:48am

jjam

soladeo1 said:

Deliverance, the song, is TIGHT. Love the impassioned, raw vocals, the surging melody, hell even the added production! Better than Moonbeam Levels???

No.

Reply #205 posted 04/19/17 6:52am

BartVanHemelen

RODSERLING said:

rogifan said:

RODSERLING said: Who had the authority to release music last year?

PR Deluxe : WB

.

P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK : the estate. These albums exist, it doesn't take 10 years to release them.

It would have been a better idea than to release 4EVER.

.

Except you're wrong. It is obvious that WBR had a "new music needs to be presented to us first" deal with Prince. Moreover, the estate isn't settled. There are lots of unknowns, and thus no sane company would touch any of that, let alone invest in it. Note how WBR is only dealing with things that were signed off on before Prince's death.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #206 posted 04/19/17 6:54am

Ingela

soladeo1 said:

Deliverance, the song, is TIGHT. Love the impassioned, raw vocals, the surging melody, hell even the added production! Better than Moonbeam Levels???

Oh hell yes, Easily.

Reply #207 posted 04/19/17 7:04am

udo

Calling this better than moonbeam levels is sacrilege by the denyers of historical context.

.

Is it me or are some songs truncated somewhat?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #208 posted 04/19/17 7:04am

djThunderfunk

Wow! music

I am digging this! Especially Deliverance & I Am.

Would love to have it on CD, but, I'll probably just stick with the files I "found" that were shared online as I haven't purchased a bootleg in nearly 20 years. And to be real, that's exactly what this is... a bootleg. It's shocking to me that this engineer thought he could get away with this (but I'm glad he did).

He's definitely exposed himself to some serious legal ramification and potential scorn from the industry.

Regardless, so cool to hear some "new" stuff. Makes me long for Black Is The New Black even more than I already did...

cool

Bass U Shoulda Played
Reply #209 posted 04/19/17 7:07am

h4rm0ny

blizzybiz said:

bluegangsta said:

At least they exist. lol

Here's the thing. I'm agnostic. I don't believe everything that Prince says about God, Jesus, etc., but I'm acrutely interested in hearing someone like Prince sing about something he is obviously very passionate about. Without that passion I don't think that Prince would be the artist he was.

I'm secure enough in my belief, or lack thereof, to be openminded and listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he is so religious/what drove his beliefs. I just can't understand people who are so closed to anything outside of what they believe.

I can't speak for the original poster but...I can't listen to Prince acting like the equivalent of a street preacher on a record. As it is, I have difficulty reconciling liking Prince's music and artistry with the fact he'd have hated me for being LGBT, because he was such a virulent homophobe in his later years.

Reply #210 posted 04/19/17 7:11am

rogifan

Ok someone on Twitter said they heard Deliverance on the radio this morning. WTF. Can't the Estate at least prevent that?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #211 posted 04/19/17 7:13am

richvan29

I was able to purchase the EP via iTunes store. $3.99 release date of Friday and got to download Deliverance immediatly. The song is amazing! I am not sure if Apple will pull the song from me and give me my money back if the lawsuit goes through. But I purchased it legit on iTunes. Very interesting that it would get to the iTunes store with it being in dispute.

Reply #212 posted 04/19/17 7:20am

dandan

Deliverence sounds exactly like Wow.

I got two sides... and they're both friends.
Reply #213 posted 04/19/17 7:22am

blacknote

richvan29 said:

I was able to purchase the EP via iTunes store. $3.99 release date of Friday and got to download Deliverance immediatly. The song is amazing! I am not sure if Apple will pull the song from me and give me my money back if the lawsuit goes through. But I purchased it legit on iTunes. Very interesting that it would get to the iTunes store with it being in dispute.

MAKE AN MP3 COPY, PLACE IT ON YOUR HARD DRIVE, AND BURN IT TO A CD RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!

Reply #214 posted 04/19/17 7:23am

dodger

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

.

Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

Reply #215 posted 04/19/17 7:25am

iZsaZsa

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?


Prince. smile
Reply #216 posted 04/19/17 7:26am

TheEnglishGent

dodger said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

.

Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

Tamar? Or somone unknown brought in to help finish the track?

RIP sad
Reply #217 posted 04/19/17 7:28am

dodger

iZsaZsa said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Prince. smile

Hmmm you could be right biggrin

Only listened to it quickly in work, have to try with headphones later...

Reply #218 posted 04/19/17 7:30am

iZsaZsa

dodger said:

 



iZsaZsa said:


RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?



Prince. smile

Hmmm you could be right biggrin


Only listened to it quickly in work, have to try with headphones later...


nod
Reply #219 posted 04/19/17 7:36am

MMJas

donnyenglish said:

Back to the music. After listening to it a few times, this is brilliant work. It is basically two great songs with Deliverance and the Opera (I Am/Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else). As good as Deliverance is, I like the combined track even more. This EP doesn't take you back to a certain period, which is great because it really sounds like something new that he would have released in the future. People need to step away from the drama of it all. For a brief moment, it feels like he is here through his music and his surprises. The dude that released it ain't getting paid because he will be sued and people are already downloading it for free. The Estate is not Prince and has struggled to cash in and Universal, WB, Spotify, etc. are all also facing hurdles. This is all by his design. As long as the fans get the music that he left for us then it is all good.

Yes. Agree. Listening to these few tracks really made my day/week/month. It's all about the music, in the end.

Reply #220 posted 04/19/17 7:38am

RaspBerryGirlFriend

iZsaZsa said:

dodger said:

Hmmm you could be right biggrin

Only listened to it quickly in work, have to try with headphones later...

nod

Haha yeah on relistening I think you're probably right.

Heavenly wine and roses seems to whisper to me when you smile...
Always cry for love, never cry for pain...
Reply #221 posted 04/19/17 7:41am

TrcikyChristopher

clairew1975 said:

The estate have filed a lawsuit saying it's an unauthorised release. The video of a FAKE Prince, I mean REALLY!! This was planned and it pisses me off! No integrity whatsoever! This would never have been allowed if Prince was alive, he'd have SHUT IT DOWN!

"Unauthorized" in the sense that I'd imagine the Estate wanted to release this but were beaten to the punch by the engineer.

As stated before, a choir member informed me that Estate reps were there last year during recording and watching everyone with a microscope, so my guess is that they at the very least planned to release the title track at some point.

Being that Boxill "finished" the songs by adding the choir and maybe some additional keys, etc. ("Crystal Ball" box set, anyone?) he's counted as a co-writer or producer (in their strictest legal terms) and has some claim to the songs/masters being that Estate was present during at least one of the sessions.

Here's the thing, though - the actual release of the product all hangs on whether or not he had the legal right to do so. The 94 East sessions, which P had a hand in writing and performing on, is a perfect example of that due to them being "studio work" and him not being signed at the time, theoretically barring WB from having any claim to the work and the sessions being "completed" and repackaged ad nauseum over the years.

This seems to be pretty much the same situation. Can't say for sure.

What gets me is - how the Estate reps were present for sessions and then suing due to the release.

Perhaps Ian's deal with the Estate fell through and he released it through RMA, as indie as possible and giving at least a portion of proceeds to the Estate.

Or maybe this was all before the allegedly botched Universal deal...

Think of it this way - somewhere in 2005-2006, MJ was recording in UAE. Apparently had at least a full album of material ready to be released independently but never did. Once MJ passed and Epic took control of some unreleased music, studio/label owner/executive producer in UAE still has his MJ sessions and says "hey, I wanna release this and give money to the kids". The estate (not the family) says "f you, give us the tracks or we'll sue because we just signed a new, posthumous deal with Epic". Theoretically, the UAE dude has some legal claim to the masters since they were under MJ's indie phase.

Add all that into consideration, and the assumption that P didn't have a will, and here we are.

Reply #222 posted 04/19/17 7:45am

RODSERLING

rogifan said:

RODSERLING said:

PR Deluxe : WB

.

P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK : the estate. These albums exist, it doesn't take 10 years to release them.

It would have been a better idea than to release 4EVER.

Still someone has to release them. The Estate isn't a record company or music distributor. And what is the Estate even? Last year it was Bremar Trust now it's Comerica Bank. They hired the guy from Spotify so hopefully he'll start getting things moving on the music front.

In the hurry of the thing, WB would have been a good choice to distribute P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK. Or the P and M tour. Like what they did with the THIS IS IT soundtrack.

.

WB would have loved to benefit from the effect of Prince's death shortly after, with something new. The estate would have earned money too, and the fans would have been happy.

.

Now, try to sell BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK to a large audience...

Reply #223 posted 04/19/17 7:47am

nelcp777

Looking forward to hearing these.

Reply #224 posted 04/19/17 7:47am

Militant

moderator

This whole thing is crazy, but damn! The songs are great.

Imagine if, in the absence of a will, Prince asked certain people who had copies of things to just put them out there, in exactly this kind of way? The ultimate "fuck you all" to the major label system.

Still tearing shit up from beyond the grave.

Reply #225 posted 04/19/17 7:51am

djThunderfunk

dodger said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

.

Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.


The Elisa track was also covered by Jonny Lang. Definitely a different song.

Bass U Shoulda Played
Reply #226 posted 04/19/17 7:51am

E319

thisisreece said:

Where is everyone managing to hear the whole ep?


You can buy and download the whole thing now at www.princerogersnelson.com

Black day, stormy night/No love, no hope in sight...
Don't cry, he is coming/Don't die, without knowing...
The Cross.
Reply #227 posted 04/19/17 7:52am

MMJas

donnyenglish said:

The two best things that have happened since his passing is that Montreux 2013 DVD and Deliverance were released. As a result, no one gets paid and the fans get the music. These are two very high quality releases. The "official" releases have been a weak repackaged set of Prince's movies and a weak repackaged set of Prince's hits and one unreleased song that we already had. The more that I think about it the more that I realize that he designed it this way. He is laughing his ass off in heaven that Universal can't buy the vault. He is laughing his ass off that WB can't fully execute their plan do to conflicting agreements that Prince had with other entities. No streaming service has all of his stuff, by design. Prince created this web of a mess with the thought that it would be very difficult for others to profit from his music. In the end we get his music. We are the beneficiaries of his will. Maybe there is more to the peer to peer distribution idea than we thought. He wants us to manage his vault.

Wouldn't it be funny if people like this guy had an actual authorization for releasing it? Imagine that. I just find that he's taking a big chance with this and the Estate will surely sue his ass. Interesting to see how the whole story will unfold...

Reply #228 posted 04/19/17 7:56am

Doozer

"Unauthorized"…sure, by the people who were NOT left in charge by Prince himself, since he left no will or instructions by all accounts. There's not much indication that those in position of authority have the slightest clue what they're doing when it comes to his music, and clearly don't have control of all the assets or even an inventory of what they do have or what exists in the wild. I do not envy them…it's a difficult position. Imagine trying to reign in and organize the life's work of a person who recorded all over the world with people and groups you don't even know the names of, let alone trying to figure out who will benefit from it all.

When the "authorized" folks get their shit together, I'll gladly purchase from them, too.

These tracks are well worth having. My advice would be to not bother with the FLAC files for 3x more. Or, take a chance and wait until Friday to see if you can get them from iTunes/Amazon for a measley $3.99 instead of getting them from the engineer's site now for $6.99.

Reply #229 posted 04/19/17 7:56am

Giovanni777

WOW. These sound awesome... in WAV format!

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I had some contact with Ian back in the day during my audio career.

.

He worked with a friend of mine, Dave Hampton around this time at Paisley. I spec'ed out some recording gear for them back then.

.

Then there's this interview with Ian from last year, where he talks about working with P, and how P had some master tapes destroyed:

.

http://www.huffingtonpost...80828.html

.

"He even had masters of his songs destroyed that had cursing or too sexual of a topic."

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #230 posted 04/19/17 7:58am

PURPLEIZED3121

man oh man. Floored at these. Above all else..from the horrid news with the search warrants this week...this brings it all back with a huge bang as to what mattered the most...the music.

Reply #231 posted 04/19/17 7:58am

MMJas

Militant said:

This whole thing is crazy, but damn! The songs are great.

Imagine if, in the absence of a will, Prince asked certain people who had copies of things to just put them out there, in exactly this kind of way? The ultimate "fuck you all" to the major label system.

Still tearing shit up from beyond the grave.

I just posted something to that effect also! I wouldn't put it past him. We're talking about a guy who gave away albums with a newspaper. Expect the unexpected.

Reply #232 posted 04/19/17 7:59am

blizzybiz

dodger said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

.

Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

It actually sounds like it's his voice sped up

Reply #233 posted 04/19/17 8:04am

TheEnglishGent

MMJas said:

Militant said:

This whole thing is crazy, but damn! The songs are great.

Imagine if, in the absence of a will, Prince asked certain people who had copies of things to just put them out there, in exactly this kind of way? The ultimate "fuck you all" to the major label system.

Still tearing shit up from beyond the grave.

I just posted something to that effect also! I wouldn't put it past him. We're talking about a guy who gave away albums with a newspaper. Expect the unexpected.

Prince didn't give them away, the newspaper paid him plenty for that 'give away'.

RIP sad
Reply #234 posted 04/19/17 8:05am

MMJas

TheEnglishGent said:

MMJas said:

I just posted something to that effect also! I wouldn't put it past him. We're talking about a guy who gave away albums with a newspaper. Expect the unexpected.

Prince didn't give them away, the newspaper paid him plenty for that 'give away'.

You know what I meant. He did not take the record industry route.

Reply #235 posted 04/19/17 8:08am

Ingela

rogifan said:

Ok someone on Twitter said they heard Deliverance on the radio this morning. WTF. Can't the Estate at least prevent that?



Why? It's great that it's playing. It's the best thing that Prince has released in years.

It's a beautiful track. It's deliverance. It's telling all of us typing on the internet that it's all good.

That we're free. That we don't need to grieve anymore. It's the best closure we've had so far.

Reply #236 posted 04/19/17 8:12am

TrcikyChristopher

blizzybiz said:

dodger said:

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

.

Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

It actually sounds like it's his voice sped up

Yep... it's his "Camille" voice, a little more sped up and distorted

Reply #237 posted 04/19/17 8:13am

TrcikyChristopher

Doozer said:

"Unauthorized"…sure, by the people who were NOT left in charge by Prince himself, since he left no will or instructions by all accounts. There's not much indication that those in position of authority have the slightest clue what they're doing when it comes to his music, and clearly don't have control of all the assets or even an inventory of what they do have or what exists in the wild. I do not envy them…it's a difficult position. Imagine trying to reign in and organize the life's work of a person who recorded all over the world with people and groups you don't even know the names of, let alone trying to figure out who will benefit from it all.

When the "authorized" folks get their shit together, I'll gladly purchase from them, too.

These tracks are well worth having. My advice would be to not bother with the FLAC files for 3x more. Or, take a chance and wait until Friday to see if you can get them from iTunes/Amazon for a measley $3.99 instead of getting them from the engineer's site now for $6.99.

This.

Reply #238 posted 04/19/17 8:15am

NewpowerScarfo

bluegangsta said:

What's the bet that this release gets blocked?

U called it.

Reply #239 posted 04/19/17 8:22am

RodeoSchro

Wow, what a GREAT song!

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #240 posted 04/19/17 8:23am

laytonian

blizzybiz said:

 



bluegangsta said:


 



blizzybiz said:


 


some would argue singing about big cities and shit is bullshit.  



At least they exist.  lol



Here's the thing.  I'm agnostic.  I don't believe everything that Prince says about God, Jesus, etc., but I'm acrutely interested in hearing someone like Prince sing about something he is obviously very passionate about. Without that passion I don't think that Prince would be the artist he was.  


 


I'm secure enough in my belief, or lack thereof, to be openminded and listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he is so religious/what drove his beliefs.  I just can't understand people who are so closed to anything outside of what they believe. 


.
^^^^^ THIS
I am beyond agnostic but I love the music, and appreciate the soul behind it.
Can one reject part of his thought? One might as well reject his music about sex or politics.
.
The Cross live in Dortmund.
Who doesn't love that.
.
We had fun, didn't we?
Reply #241 posted 04/19/17 8:25am

Se7en

Just downloaded it this morning. It's a very short EP (16 minutes).

I debated whether or not to download it at first, but the temptation of hearing "new" Prince music was too much. I opted for the MP3s from the website vs. the FLAC files . . . those were not in the budget, and if it does see a physical release I'll pick that up.

First off, these all sound like "Prince". They don't sound like someone else backfilling vocals (a la Michael Jackson's posthumous album) and they don't scream of someone else's production techniques (example: they don't sound like Timbaland or Pharrell producing raw Prince tracks).

Overall it's a great EP - I've already listened to it 3 times. It's brand new and immediately familiar at the same time.

Reply #242 posted 04/19/17 8:26am

Se7en

TrcikyChristopher said:

Doozer said:

"Unauthorized"…sure, by the people who were NOT left in charge by Prince himself, since he left no will or instructions by all accounts. There's not much indication that those in position of authority have the slightest clue what they're doing when it comes to his music, and clearly don't have control of all the assets or even an inventory of what they do have or what exists in the wild. I do not envy them…it's a difficult position. Imagine trying to reign in and organize the life's work of a person who recorded all over the world with people and groups you don't even know the names of, let alone trying to figure out who will benefit from it all.

When the "authorized" folks get their shit together, I'll gladly purchase from them, too.

These tracks are well worth having. My advice would be to not bother with the FLAC files for 3x more. Or, take a chance and wait until Friday to see if you can get them from iTunes/Amazon for a measley $3.99 instead of getting them from the engineer's site now for $6.99.

This.


My thoughts exactly, but I opted for getting them today vs. hedging my bets on Friday . . . I had a feeling they might be pulled off those sites by Friday.

Reply #243 posted 04/19/17 8:28am

Neversin

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #244 posted 04/19/17 8:30am

paulludvig

Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

Do you know what the engineer added?

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #245 posted 04/19/17 8:32am

KingSausage

I downloaded this on FLAC, so I'll cancel my iTunes order later. I'll probably not listen to this for weeks if not months. At most, one quick spin before it's forgotten on my hard drive. I've been listening to nothing but Sinatra for months, which has been refreshing.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #246 posted 04/19/17 9:01am

TrivialPursuit

BartVanHemelen said:

donnyenglish said:

Sad that this is the best thing that has been released since his passing. Really sad. The man left a vault full of treasures and we got nothing after a full year.

.

Put the blame where it is supposed to be: Prince. He left the mess.


Yes, there were loose ends, but Bart you can't shit on everything he did for the sake of it. I mean how long is your nose stuck listening to "Lady Cab Driver" or Dirty Mind or whatever before you finally pull back and look at the larger picture?

You have no real idea what went down between this engineer, and Prince. For this guy to say he owns songs he engineered and wants to release them?! NO ONE has ever done that before, because they don't have a legal leg to stand on. This guy doesn't either. There's no loophole anywhere in the industry that allows someone running ProTools and setting up microphone cables to own the masters to an artist's song. How does that sound logical to even someone like you, who hates Prince and everything he ever did? Even if there was a huge mess, it still gives this guy zero legality in releasing Prince's songs. Prince wasn't some 15 year old with no business sense when this was recorded. It's not like Madonna or Aguilera tapes coming out from another producer who had full rights to it.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
http://bit.ly/unboxingprince
Reply #247 posted 04/19/17 9:02am

TrivialPursuit

egansmind said:

Great work by RMA to get this EP out in time for Friday which will give everyne a moment

Its a pity the Estate are too busy trying to count their money instead of releasing music

Love Deliverance


You have no idea what the estate is trying to do, other than follow a court's order to monetize itself. You think any estate like Elvis or Prince or MJ is just going to sit and pay for itself on 30 year old royalties or something? No pumpkin - that shit doesn't pay the bills a few decades down the line. Stop with the "they're just trying to make money" shit. Of course they are. Bills gotta be paid.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
http://bit.ly/unboxingprince
Reply #248 posted 04/19/17 9:03am

injuredpinky

Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

.

Who the fuck cares. Another way to approach it would be to make sure the "enginner" makes a LOT of money off this. Might inspire others to put out unreleased material from their collections as well. I'd rather that situation than the current bunch of nesting chickens sitting on their collections.

.

And what ever happened to the "sorry-big-chick-Wally" release from Eye?

Reply #249 posted 04/19/17 9:20am

3stori3s

KingSausage said:

I downloaded this on FLAC, so I'll cancel my iTunes order later. I'll probably not listen to this for weeks if not months. At most, one quick spin before it's forgotten on my hard drive. I've been listening to nothing but Sinatra for months, which has been refreshing.

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

Reply #250 posted 04/19/17 9:23am

Ingela

Look. Prince is gone. It's not like he is losing out on anything himself. The family lucked out with genetics because Prince himself never gave them isht.

The record companies? At this point what do I care? They aren't paying Prince himself anything.

So those of you with your exaggerated knee-jerk internet "outrage", step away from the computer for a second, go and be outraged at something else. Shake your fist and tell at the clouds or something, but chill about this release. It's the best and nicest thing to come out and celebrate Prince since his passing.

It's beautiful. It's a beautiful gesture for the year and tears since his passing. Don't let your internet ignorance ruin this.
[Edited 4/19/17 9:27am]
Reply #251 posted 04/19/17 9:29am

fakir

Lenght: (15:55)

Dig it... " This is not Religion but Common Sense. It's time for you to get down, get off the Fence"

Guitar...

The Ignorant asserts,The learned doubts,The wise thinks.

Aristotle
Reply #252 posted 04/19/17 9:40am

MendesCity

So conflicted...this is better than anything than he's released this decade.

Reply #253 posted 04/19/17 9:43am

TrivialPursuit

Ingela said:

Look. Prince is gone. It's not like he is losing out on anything himself. The family lucked out with genetics because Prince himself never gave them isht. The record companies? At this point what do I care? They aren't paying Prince himself anything.


You should really do your homework. Let's examine:

Prince owned a lot of property, much of which his family lived in, including his mother, his sister, and his father. Sharon or Omar lived in a house that Prince owned and paid for. People think Prince became famous and left his family? Pffft, his mom used to be at Paisley Park concerts all the time. Estranged people don't hang out. Tyka was and is still the email address on all those copyright takedowns on YouTube & Instagram. (I know because I got one with her name on it.) He had her in charge of that for years. So you're wrong on that.

No, WBR isn't paying Prince anything because you can't pay a dead man, but they were paying him before. Now they pay the estate. If you'd read about the 2014 deal, part of that is that he got his WB masters back. The copyright on the remastered vinyl says "NPG Records, exclusively licensed to Warner Bros". It's not the other way around. Instead of Prince having to pay to have his music out, they're buying a license from him to put his music out. It's a bit like computer companies buying a license from Microsoft to put Windows on the computers they're making. MS is the benefactor in that. The tables turned, and he is first in the chow line now. He's the first benefactor. NPG is in front of WB on all those releases.

So - facts.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
http://bit.ly/unboxingprince
Reply #254 posted 04/19/17 9:49am

leadline

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Yikes. Kinda conflicted about it. Wonderful to hear his voice on new music again, but this shouldn't have been the first new thing. The strategy behind getting the vault music out there is still being worked out, and this kind of throws a wrench into things, and cheapens what they're trying to do for the future. You know Prince wouldn't be happy about this, especially about a bootleg Prince dancing around in the video. Can't say I didn't buy it though!


This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #255 posted 04/19/17 9:56am

Ingela

TrivialPursuit said:

Ingela said:

Look. Prince is gone. It's not like he is losing out on anything himself. The family lucked out with genetics because Prince himself never gave them isht. The record companies? At this point what do I care? They aren't paying Prince himself anything.


You should really do your homework. Let's examine:

Prince owned a lot of property, much of which his family lived in, including his mother, his sister, and his father. Sharon or Omar lived in a house that Prince owned and paid for. People think Prince became famous and left his family? Pffft, his mom used to be at Paisley Park concerts all the time. Estranged people don't hang out. Tyka was and is still the email address on all those copyright takedowns on YouTube & Instagram. (I know because I got one with her name on it.) He had her in charge of that for years. So you're wrong on that.

No, WBR isn't paying Prince anything because you can't pay a dead man, but they were paying him before. Now they pay the estate. If you'd read about the 2014 deal, part of that is that he got his WB masters back. The copyright on the remastered vinyl says "NPG Records, exclusively licensed to Warner Bros". It's not the other way around. Instead of Prince having to pay to have his music out, they're buying a license from him to put his music out. It's a bit like computer companies buying a license from Microsoft to put Windows on the computers they're making. MS is the benefactor in that. The tables turned, and he is first in the chow line now. He's the first benefactor. NPG is in front of WB on all those releases.

So - facts.

no.

Just whining and bs internet "outrage and even more whining.

suggestion, get a life.

[Edited 4/19/17 9:57am]

Reply #256 posted 04/19/17 9:58am

leadline

Deliverance the song sounds exactly like Wow from Plectrum Electrum. Sure the lyrics are different but the beat music timing and instrumentation are almost identical, you can literally sing Wow over this song.

Now we know where the framework for that song came from imo.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #257 posted 04/19/17 10:11am

TrcikyChristopher

leadline said:

Deliverance the song sounds exactly like Wow from Plectrum Electrum. Sure the lyrics are different but the beat music timing and instrumentation are almost identical, you can literally sing Wow over this song.

Now we know where the framework for that song came from imo.

The chord progression is different.

Reply #258 posted 04/19/17 10:53am

missfee

MendesCity said:

So conflicted...this is better than anything than he's released this decade.

This. nod It sounds great but I'm not sure I want to dish money out for something that I know isn't/wasn't finished by him. So as great as it sounds, as tempting as it, I think I need to wait.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
Reply #259 posted 04/19/17 10:54am

pandemoniun6

Well bit conflicted about whether to download this bootleg but the fact it might disappear made me shell out for the cheapo version. Songs sound quite good to me. Something to just tide us over till a proper release.

I know lots of folks want to hear stuff like this with nothing added but presumably they add choir parts etc because they hope to sell more if they clean it up a bit. We might spend hours trawling for obscure jams and raw rehearsal versions but most of the public want to hear a 'finished' song and couldn't care less if it's Prince or estate approved.
Reply #260 posted 04/19/17 10:58am

Genesia

missfee said:

MendesCity said:

So conflicted...this is better than anything than he's released this decade.

This. nod It sounds great but I'm not sure I want to dish money out for something that I know isn't/wasn't finished by him. So as great as it sounds, as tempting as it, I think I need to wait.


Wait for what? For him to come back and finish it? confuse

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #261 posted 04/19/17 10:58am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

paulludvig said:

Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

Do you know what the engineer added?

he added it to cyberspace without the estates permission

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #262 posted 04/19/17 11:01am

Transformed1

I didn't pay for it. If the estate puts this out later, I will pay them for it, even though I have the FLAC already.

Instead of worrying about bootleggers putting stuff out, they should focus on putting something out themselves. I aint getting any younger. Put stuff out while I can still hear.

Reply #263 posted 04/19/17 11:09am

TrivialPursuit

Transformed1 said:

I didn't pay for it. If the estate puts this out later, I will pay them for it, even though I have the FLAC already.

Instead of worrying about bootleggers putting stuff out, they should focus on putting something out themselves. I aint getting any younger. Put stuff out while I can still hear.


The first paragraph summarizes how everyone should probably approach this.

The second paragraph - there are still things to settle. And they're not just going to drop stuff every six months because the fans want it. I mean, it'd be nice, but let's stay reasonable about it. We don't know what they're focusing on - none of us are there. And I just turned 49 last month, so... tick tick bang. hahaha lol

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
http://bit.ly/unboxingprince
Reply #264 posted 04/19/17 11:18am

rogifan

Ingela said:

 



rogifan said:


Ok someone on Twitter said they heard Deliverance on the radio this morning. WTF. Can't the Estate at least prevent that?



Why? It's great that it's playing. It's the best thing that Prince has released in years.


 


It's a beautiful track. It's deliverance. It's telling all of us typing on the internet that it's all good.


 


That we're free. That we don't need to grieve anymore. It's the best closure we've had so far.


Because it's an unauthorized release. I know it's damn near impossible to stop people from sharing on the internet but commercial radio stations?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #265 posted 04/19/17 11:18am

IstenSzek

sun rise/sun ra

clever smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #266 posted 04/19/17 11:19am

KingSausage

3stori3s said:

 



KingSausage said:


I downloaded this on FLAC, so I'll cancel my iTunes order later. I'll probably not listen to this for weeks if not months. At most, one quick spin before it's forgotten on my hard drive. I've been listening to nothing but Sinatra for months, which has been refreshing.

 


 


Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?



I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me.

The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon.

TL;DR Settle down.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #267 posted 04/19/17 11:24am

rogifan

To me there's a difference between something like Montreux 2013 leaking and an unreleased, unfinished song like this that apparently had a choir added to it. I don't think it's fair to say because the Estate is a mess or record companies are evil or whatever that this guy should profit off this. He shouldn't.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #268 posted 04/19/17 11:25am

feeluupp

KingSausage said:

3stori3s said:

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

Agree...

I listend to the EP... It wasn't anything special... Especially if it's from the presumed Planet Earth era... It sounds very dull and bland...

Reply #269 posted 04/19/17 11:25am

iZsaZsa

Where is IstenSzek with the lyrics?
Reply #270 posted 04/19/17 11:25am

mothyham

KingSausage said:

3stori3s said:

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

lol...I like the cut of your jib, Sausage King

Reply #271 posted 04/19/17 11:27am

donnyenglish

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine. But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me. I like unfinished tracks. There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version. Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud...rized.html

Reply #272 posted 04/19/17 11:27am

SomeSoldier

I'm not going to comment on whether the guy had any legal rights over this music, the lawsuit can sort that out. But it speaks a lot about his character the fact that he's selling three songs and charging for six. The non-extended version of I Am is a joke, and Sunrise Sunset, Touch Me and No One Else are just one song split into three bits. But I guess it is easier to sell an E.P. with six songs than with three.
About the music itself, I would like to hear it with no added bits, just the way Prince left them; having said that... I quite like these three songs! Deliverance may sound a bit like Wow, but it is distinct enough to be considered a good song on itself. I Am is brilliant. It reminds me a bit of he Judith Hill album, which is good, in my books. And the Sunrise Sunset songs are also quite to my taste. Sweet, but with a darker sound towards the end. While we wait for something better, this is a very welcome distraction. I just wish I hadn't paid for it...
Reply #273 posted 04/19/17 11:27am

IstenSzek

iZsaZsa said:

Where is IstenSzek with the lyrics?


i'm too tired today lol let somebody else do it smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #274 posted 04/19/17 11:32am

iZsaZsa

IstenSzek said:

 



iZsaZsa said:


Where is IstenSzek with the lyrics?


i'm too tired today lol let somebody else do it smile


 


Me too. smile
Reply #275 posted 04/19/17 11:33am

IstenSzek

SomeSoldier said:

I'm not going to comment on whether the guy had any legal rights over this music, the lawsuit can sort that out. But it speaks a lot about his character the fact that he's selling three songs and charging for six. The non-extended version of I Am is a joke, and Sunrise Sunset, Touch Me and No One Else are just one song split into three bits. But I guess it is easier to sell an E.P. with six songs than with three. About the music itself, I would like to hear it with no added bits, just the way Prince left them; having said that... I quite like these three songs! Deliverance may sound a bit like Wow, but it is distinct enough to be considered a good song on itself. I Am is brilliant. It reminds me a bit of he Judith Hill album, which is good, in my books. And the Sunrise Sunset songs are also quite to my taste. Sweet, but with a darker sound towards the end. While we wait for something better, this is a very welcome distraction. I just wish I hadn't paid for it...


ah, thank you for posting that. it was driving me nuts what that song reminded me of,
but there's shades of 'turn up' in there.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #276 posted 04/19/17 11:42am

fortuneandserendipity


I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this confused



Reply #277 posted 04/19/17 11:45am

peedub

fortuneandserendipity said:


I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this confused





it's basically a suite of songs, a la 'scandalous sex suite'...he could've put anybody's name on it he wanted; it's undeniably and satisfyingly a prince production.

Reply #278 posted 04/19/17 11:45am

SchlomoThaHomo

leadline said:

 



SchlomoThaHomo said:


Yikes. Kinda conflicted about it. Wonderful to hear his voice on new music again, but this shouldn't have been the first new thing. The strategy behind getting the vault music out there is still being worked out, and this kind of throws a wrench into things, and cheapens what they're trying to do for the future. You know Prince wouldn't be happy about this, especially about a bootleg Prince dancing around in the video. Can't say I didn't buy it though!


This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.



IDK. What if non-diehards hear it, and think, "Oh, it's nothing special. Maybe I won't be interested in future releases?"

I feel like the first thing from the vault should blow people away, so as to whet peoples' appetites for future releases, and also build an audience for them. I guess if this thing doesn't end up reaching far and wide, maybe it doesn't matter.

Listening to it in its entirety, I think it's really cool. Considering the circumstances, and lyrical themes, it does sort of sound like he's transmitting from beyond, which is eerie.

I don't think it's better than AOA or HNR2, or even as good. But it's quite interesting, and enjoyable, and a wonderful surprise on the anniversary of his death.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #279 posted 04/19/17 11:46am

vivifiant

Anybody else has the problem with the Touch Me - Sunrise, Sunset transition?

There's a slight imbalance with the channels. I wonder if this was intentional or not.

Reply #280 posted 04/19/17 11:48am

SomeSoldier

IstenSzek said:

 



SomeSoldier said:


I'm not going to comment on whether the guy had any legal rights over this music, the lawsuit can sort that out. But it speaks a lot about his character the fact that he's selling three songs and charging for six. The non-extended version of I Am is a joke, and Sunrise Sunset, Touch Me and No One Else are just one song split into three bits. But I guess it is easier to sell an E.P. with six songs than with three. About the music itself, I would like to hear it with no added bits, just the way Prince left them; having said that... I quite like these three songs! Deliverance may sound a bit like Wow, but it is distinct enough to be considered a good song on itself. I Am is brilliant. It reminds me a bit of he Judith Hill album, which is good, in my books. And the Sunrise Sunset songs are also quite to my taste. Sweet, but with a darker sound towards the end. While we wait for something better, this is a very welcome distraction. I just wish I hadn't paid for it...


ah, thank you for posting that. it was driving me nuts what that song reminded me of,
but there's shades of 'turn up' in there.  


Turn It Up, that's the one. Couldn't remember the title!
Reply #281 posted 04/19/17 11:53am

EnDoRpHn

I find it interesting that a year ago today, I was reading comments here saying that Prince was washed up, his career was in the $hitcan, it was done, etc.

Two days later he was dead. Almost a year later, and you're all fighting amongst yourselves again.

Nothing of any substance has transpired with regard to Prince's music in the past year. I don't agree with this release. I wouldn't say I'm conflicted, but it is nice to hear his voice in a new vein.

But before anyone falls into the trap of thinking that the estate or WBR or Universal or whoever just needs to get their act together and start releasing stuff, don't hold your breath. None of them respected Prince when he was alive, and they still don't today. If you think otherwise, read this:

http://m.startribune.com/the-floodgates-are-about-to-open-on-prince-s-career-after-death/419710153/
Reply #282 posted 04/19/17 11:54am

TheEnglishGent

KingSausage said:

3stori3s said:

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

Hold on a minute, let's forget the new songs and why you have or haven't listened to them and pop back to the only listening Sinatra thing for a minute. Now there's nothing wrong with Frank, but what the hell has happened to golden boy D'Angelo?!! lol

RIP sad
Reply #283 posted 04/19/17 11:58am

dodger

IstenSzek said:

 



SomeSoldier said:


I'm not going to comment on whether the guy had any legal rights over this music, the lawsuit can sort that out. But it speaks a lot about his character the fact that he's selling three songs and charging for six. The non-extended version of I Am is a joke, and Sunrise Sunset, Touch Me and No One Else are just one song split into three bits. But I guess it is easier to sell an E.P. with six songs than with three. About the music itself, I would like to hear it with no added bits, just the way Prince left them; having said that... I quite like these three songs! Deliverance may sound a bit like Wow, but it is distinct enough to be considered a good song on itself. I Am is brilliant. It reminds me a bit of he Judith Hill album, which is good, in my books. And the Sunrise Sunset songs are also quite to my taste. Sweet, but with a darker sound towards the end. While we wait for something better, this is a very welcome distraction. I just wish I hadn't paid for it...


ah, thank you for posting that. it was driving me nuts what that song reminded me of,
but there's shades of 'turn up' in there.  



Shit you're right about Turn Up, It was bugging me as well what it reminded me of 👍🏻
Reply #284 posted 04/19/17 11:58am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

SchlomoThaHomo said:

leadline said:


This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.

IDK. What if non-diehards hear it, and think, "Oh, it's nothing special. Maybe I won't be interested in future releases?" I feel like the first thing from the vault should blow people away, so as to whet peoples' appetites for future releases, and also build an audience for them. I guess if this thing doesn't end up reaching far and wide, maybe it doesn't matter. Listening to it in its entirety, I think it's really cool. Considering the circumstances, and lyrical themes, it does sort of sound like he's transmitting from beyond, which is eerie. I don't think it's better than AOA or HNR2, or even as good. But it's quite interesting, and enjoyable, and a wonderful surprise on the anniversary of his death.

For every latter day release they should release an early period release until they meet/end in the middle

like

1977 Demos +

Loring Park Sessions 1977 + Black is the New Black

the Rebel Sessions + Rainbow Children pt 2

2nd Coming movie + 3121 movie

etc

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #285 posted 04/19/17 12:00pm

MMJas

Transformed1 said:

I didn't pay for it. If the estate puts this out later, I will pay them for it, even though I have the FLAC already.

Instead of worrying about bootleggers putting stuff out, they should focus on putting something out themselves. I aint getting any younger. Put stuff out while I can still hear.

lol lol lol

Everything new the Estate will put out I will buy, that's for sure.

Reply #286 posted 04/19/17 12:09pm

Genesia

fortuneandserendipity said:


I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this confused




You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #287 posted 04/19/17 12:10pm

JellyJam

Regardless of the inevitable legal fiasco, I'm enjoying this. 'Deliverance' reminds me of 'Still Would Stand All Time' in parts as others have remarked. Something about the lyrics leads to 'Sacrifice of Victor' as well.

I wish he'd done a proper, fuck off, blues album.

It doesn't sound massively like the 3121 period to me, maybe I'm wrong.

[Edited 4/19/17 12:11pm]

Reply #288 posted 04/19/17 12:11pm

paulludvig

donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine.  But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me.  I like unfinished tracks.  There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version.  Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.  


 


  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3673521-Affidavit-Boxill-Notarized.html


 


 



This is interesting. Seems like Boxill changed the arrangements quite a bit.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #289 posted 04/19/17 12:12pm

KingSausage

TheEnglishGent said:

 



KingSausage said:


3stori3s said:

 


 


 


Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?



I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

 


Hold on a minute, let's forget the new songs and why you have or haven't listened to them and pop back to the only listening Sinatra thing for a minute. Now there's nothing wrong with Frank, but what the hell has happened to golden boy D'Angelo?!! lol




I'm just building up tension for next album in 2028!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #290 posted 04/19/17 12:26pm

terrig

Let go of the drama and live in the music.

This EP is awesome. Much needed relief.

THINK. Prince didnt leave a will for a reason. He relinquished control.

Think about this relase within that context as everyone is continuing to battle for control.

Princes music is breaking free...just like he wanted it to.

i'll say it again...much needed relief to hear him - its gorgeous. smile

Reply #291 posted 04/19/17 12:37pm

jaawwnn

TrcikyChristopher said:

 



leadline said:


Deliverance the song sounds exactly like Wow from Plectrum Electrum. Sure the lyrics are different but the beat music timing and instrumentation are almost identical, you can literally sing Wow over this song.

Now we know where the framework for that song came from imo. 



The chord progression is different. 


Yeah, it's cut from the same cloth alright but "exactly the same" ha, wash out your ears. Its like saying Crucial and Adore are exactly the same.
Reply #292 posted 04/19/17 12:41pm

Giovanni777

Giovanni777 said:

WOW. These sound awesome... in WAV format!

.

I had some contact with Ian back in the day during my audio career.

.

He worked with a friend of mine, Dave Hampton around this time at Paisley. I spec'ed out some recording gear for them back then.

.

Then there's this interview with Ian from last year, where he talks about working with P, and how P had some master tapes destroyed:

.

http://www.huffingtonpost...80828.html

.

"He even had masters of his songs destroyed that had cursing or too sexual of a topic."

.

Just to add to what I posted above, Ian is a great guy, and these songs are "healing" to hear. Yeah, he decided to monetize it, which another story, but I actually approve of what he did in those edits/additions. I could identify them before reading the affidavit. There's a horn section that really stood out, and definitely heard the added strings.

.

I have NO problem with the gospel choir added to 'Deliverance'.

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There are a two vocal tracks where P screams, then says "C'mon!" He would've likely edited or retracked those. Other than that, this sounds like P oversaw nearly all the way. From the affidavit, it shows that Ian and P were still making changes collaboratively 1-2 years after the initial tracking.

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #293 posted 04/19/17 12:56pm

mano

I have to admit, the actor sillouhette had me fooled at first. I thought maybe they had found an unreleased video to go with the unreleased song, but clearly no. Hearing the song does make me realize how much I miss Prince, but I digress.

Wait, so who owns this? Who owns the princerogersnelson.com website? What contract/deal is this being released under? I'm totally confused here.

"I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough." prince
Reply #294 posted 04/19/17 12:58pm

juliusmonk

These songs are great, and to me they sound very consistent with Prince's latest output. I have no issue whatsoever with Boxill adding things, at least he didn't put beats all over the place like Joshua on AOA. This sounds much more 'princey' to me. It's the kind of thing Prince might have come up with now, indie label and fake video included. Even the cover has 3 symbols! Very grateful for this. Prince is alive.
[Edited 4/19/17 12:58pm]
Reply #295 posted 04/19/17 1:03pm

JoeyCococo

I've been of two minds since i heard this come out...

On one hand I think Prince would be very angry if someone else put out his music. That is obvious. However, at the same time, the song Deliverance and it's subject matter seems like something he'd be ok to release. It has all that holy Prince thing happening. It's a realy good song and he smokes on guitar.

I don't like what Ian Boxhall has done but I also think it's good. I felt the same when the bootleggers released Montreux 2013 videos this year. These are great works of a genius who often refused to put out his best stuff. The world needs to hear all of this. Look at it this way...Prince himself believed himself to be a vessel of a higher power. If so, his genius is owed to this higher power and so his works are for the world to hear.

So, while I won't pay for this b/c it makes no money for anyone associated with Prince, I will definitely get it and will play it loud as a celebration of him.

Reply #296 posted 04/19/17 1:06pm

mano

Hmmm....

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/04/19/524682589/new-music-from-prince-set-for-release-friday-the-subject-of-a-suit-from-his-esta

But the EP's impending drop may not happen. Paisley Park Enterprises has sued the person behind its release in a Minnesota district court to block it. The suit was filed last Friday (April 14), before transferring to federal court yesterday.

Paisley Park's suit alleges George Ian Boxill, a recording engineer with credits on several hip-hop and R&B records dating back to 1995, signed an agreement when working with Prince that legally locked down any work the pair made together. The release of Deliverance is in breach of that agreement and "deprives Prince (and now the Estate) from choosing what is released to the public and when," the complaint reads as reported by Minneapolis station KSTP.

"I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough." prince
Reply #297 posted 04/19/17 1:18pm

paisleypark4

Reading that affidavit. If Boxill actually owned the masters to the song, I'm sure Prince knowing him....have had a copy. Find it hard to believe that Prince let Boxill have the complete masters to himself. Thus being said, Prince would have been against this release had he been alive. I'm sure Boxill would have continued to work on these tracks throught his career or releasing them eventually. Now what i am wondering is ....would the Estate have wanted Boxill to just submit his masters to them? Would they have struck a deal? If you are a sole owner of an high profile artists music, are you obliged to give it to them?

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Reply #298 posted 04/19/17 1:18pm

themend

terrig said:

Let go of the drama and live in the music. 

This EP is awesome. Much needed relief.

THINK. Prince didnt leave a will for a reason. He relinquished control. 

Think about this relase within that context as everyone is continuing to battle for control.

Princes music is breaking free...just like he wanted it to.
 

i'll say it again...much needed relief to hear him - its gorgeous. smile 



Yes! I like this view, totally agree.
Reply #299 posted 04/19/17 1:21pm

stesa

Sunrise Sunset ... beautiful.

I love all of the songs ...

Reply #300 posted 04/19/17 1:23pm

PurpleTrollster

themend said:

terrig said:

Let go of the drama and live in the music. 

This EP is awesome. Much needed relief.

THINK. Prince didnt leave a will for a reason. He relinquished control. 

Think about this relase within that context as everyone is continuing to battle for control.

Princes music is breaking free...just like he wanted it to.
 

i'll say it again...much needed relief to hear him - its gorgeous. smile 



Yes! I like this view, totally agree.

Exactly. Prince was playing 5D chess while the record companies were playing2D checkers!
Huh?
Reply #301 posted 04/19/17 1:24pm

mano

paisleypark4 said:

Reading that affidavit. If Boxill actually owned the masters to the song, I'm sure Prince knowing him....have had a copy. Find it hard to believe that Prince let Boxill have the complete masters to himself. Thus being said, Prince would have been against this release had he been alive. I'm sure Boxill would have continued to work on these tracks throught his career or releasing them eventually. Now what i am wondering is ....would the Estate have wanted Boxill to just submit his masters to them? Would they have struck a deal? If you are a sole owner of an high profile artists music, are you obliged to give it to them?

One thing is for sure....Warner Bros does NOT own these masters because they were recorded when he was not under contract with them.

"I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough." prince
Reply #302 posted 04/19/17 1:24pm

PurpleTrollster

mano said:

Hmmm....


http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/04/19/524682589/new-music-from-prince-set-for-release-friday-the-subject-of-a-suit-from-his-esta


 



But the EP's impending drop may not happen. Paisley Park Enterprises has sued the person behind its release in a Minnesota district court to block it. The suit was filed last Friday (April 14), before transferring to federal court yesterday.


Paisley Park's suit alleges George Ian Boxill, a recording engineer with credits on several hip-hop and R&B records dating back to 1995, signed an agreement when working with Prince that legally locked down any work the pair made together. The release of Deliverance is in breach of that agreement and "deprives Prince (and now the Estate) from choosing what is released to the public and when," the complaint reads as reported by Minneapolis station KSTP.


 



Eh who cares. It's already been leaked. We have it now
Huh?
Reply #303 posted 04/19/17 1:31pm

Giovanni777

On another note: The song "No One Else" is awesome.

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #304 posted 04/19/17 1:39pm

2045RadicalMattZ

Are you all implying that this is NO LONGER AVAILABLE???

Please someone PM me if that is so. I would want the tracks. I just happen to be at work and can't utilize many outlets for dl's. (or I'd have paid for the mp3's)

Frankly, I was looking forward to this release and was calling AMOEBA about it.

they had no idea as of this morning. A physical bootleg would be a nice way to stick it again... no offense, but it'd be very Princey.

"Damn Dolores, pick another subject, please...introduce the ground to something other than your knees...."
Reply #305 posted 04/19/17 2:00pm

TheEnglishGent

KingSausage said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Hold on a minute, let's forget the new songs and why you have or haven't listened to them and pop back to the only listening Sinatra thing for a minute. Now there's nothing wrong with Frank, but what the hell has happened to golden boy D'Angelo?!! lol

I'm just building up tension for next album in 2028!

lol

RIP sad
Reply #306 posted 04/19/17 2:02pm

TheEnglishGent

Genesia said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this confused




You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Indeed. Regardless of what was added to these tracks, the collection is still very enjoyable. In any case, Prince prepared us for having other people work with his unfinished tracks when he had Josh produce Hitnrun Phase 1 biggrin.

RIP sad
Reply #307 posted 04/19/17 2:04pm

rogifan

PurpleTrollster said:

themend said:



Yes! I like this view, totally agree.

Exactly. Prince was playing 5D chess while the record companies were playing2D checkers!

So Prince was Donald Trump (that's what his supporters say about him)? lol
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #308 posted 04/19/17 2:08pm

Genesia

TheEnglishGent said:

Genesia said:


You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Indeed. Regardless of what was added to these tracks, the collection is still very enjoyable. In any case, Prince prepared us for having other people work with his unfinished tracks when he had Josh produce Hitnrun Phase 1 biggrin.


Fortunately, with much better results this time.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #309 posted 04/19/17 2:13pm

PurpleDiamonds1

rogifan said:

PurpleTrollster said:


Exactly. Prince was playing 5D chess while the record companies were playing2D checkers!

So Prince was Donald Trump (that's what his supporters say about him)? lol

So many similarities...wink both have a big heart and good business sense.
And I liked the one song I heard...IMO Prince would have liked this being done. It beats listening to others try to sing like Prince.
I would support this!
[Edited 4/19/17 14:14pm]
Reply #310 posted 04/19/17 2:15pm

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine.  But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me.  I like unfinished tracks.  There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version.  Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.  


 


  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3673521-Affidavit-Boxill-Notarized.html


 


 


What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #311 posted 04/19/17 2:17pm

djThunderfunk

paisleypark4 said:

Reading that affidavit. If Boxill actually owned the masters to the song, I'm sure Prince knowing him....have had a copy. Find it hard to believe that Prince let Boxill have the complete masters to himself. Thus being said, Prince would have been against this release had he been alive. I'm sure Boxill would have continued to work on these tracks throught his career or releasing them eventually. Now what i am wondering is ....would the Estate have wanted Boxill to just submit his masters to them? Would they have struck a deal? If you are a sole owner of an high profile artists music, are you obliged to give it to them?


But, does it make sense to anyone that Prince would make such an agreement?

Seems unlikely.


Bass U Shoulda Played
Reply #312 posted 04/19/17 2:26pm

Giovanni777

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine. But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me. I like unfinished tracks. There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version. Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud...rized.html

What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?

.

Because he wrote the original background harmonies for the Twinz, and Prince approved. Then, he used the same arrangement, but with a choir. Since he wrote the background vocals, he co-authored. I can pretty much hear/identify what he added... I even caught the B3 organ part, which sounds perfect in there. String parts are nice. There's one horn section part I'm not crazy about.

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #313 posted 04/19/17 2:28pm

alandail

Unsurprisingly, it has dissapeared from the iTunes store.

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Reply #314 posted 04/19/17 2:29pm

donnyenglish

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine. But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me. I like unfinished tracks. There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version. Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud...rized.html

What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?

It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits. He ain't fooling me. This is still Prince's stuff. He just manipulated it. He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video. He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that. Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself. He is dead meat when he goes to court.

Reply #315 posted 04/19/17 2:30pm

rogifan

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:


So Prince was Donald Trump (that's what his supporters say about him)? lol

So many similarities...wink both have a big heart and good business sense.
And I liked the one song I heard...IMO Prince would have liked this being done. It beats listening to others try to sing like Prince.
I would support this!
[Edited 4/19/17 14:14pm]

I think the song is great. Just wish we could hear the original to know how much Boxhill changed it. If the melody, guitar and lyrics are essentially the same but he just added additional keys and the choir then I guess I'm ok with it? confused
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #316 posted 04/19/17 2:34pm

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

 



rogifan said:


donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine.  But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me.  I like unfinished tracks.  There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version.  Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.  


 


  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3673521-Affidavit-Boxill-Notarized.html


 


 



What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?

 


It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits.  He ain't fooling me.  This is still Prince's stuff.  He just manipulated it.  He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video.  He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that.  Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself.  He is dead meat when he goes to court.   


My eyebrows are raised when someone, especially a sound engineer says they co-authored anything with Prince. They must have a lose definition of the word.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #317 posted 04/19/17 2:35pm

rogifan

Giovanni777 said:

 



rogifan said:


donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine.  But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me.  I like unfinished tracks.  There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version.  Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.  


 


  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3673521-Affidavit-Boxill-Notarized.html


 


 



What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?

.


Because he wrote the original background harmonies for the Twinz, and Prince approved. Then, he used the same arrangement, but with a choir. Since he wrote the background vocals, he co-authored. I can pretty much hear/identify what he added... I even caught the B3 organ part, which sounds perfect in there. String parts are nice. There's one horn section part I'm not crazy about.


So he says...
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #318 posted 04/19/17 2:40pm

lameless

The whole thing is on YouTube (for now).

The ultimate THREAD-KILLER. You won't see me coming. No thread is safe.
Reply #319 posted 04/19/17 2:41pm

alandail

Over the years I got into the habbit of reguarly checking the org because I you never new when some new music would drop, and sometimes there was limited time availabilty. I still checked reguarly, but thought those days were over. It was such a strange feeling today when I saw this thread and there was new, potentially limited availabilty, Prince music. The first feeling was the same excited feeling I always got when new stuff would drop out of the blue. Then I just felt really sad. I ended up buying it and listening a couple of times. I'm not really sure what I think about the engineer releasing Prince music. He can't possibly have the legal right to do it. But at the same time, it's better than just having the music lost forever.

[Edited 4/19/17 14:42pm]

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Reply #320 posted 04/19/17 2:44pm

2045RadicalMattZ

If he "tinkered" with it...no matter... Still sounds light years better than most of the Michael Jackson releases....

No love on those tracks... only the one's I'd heard the old TOTO crew give a go at (confirmed by Steve Lukather on his FB account)

"Damn Dolores, pick another subject, please...introduce the ground to something other than your knees...."
Reply #321 posted 04/19/17 2:45pm

alandail

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits. He ain't fooling me. This is still Prince's stuff. He just manipulated it. He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video. He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that. Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself. He is dead meat when he goes to court.

My eyebrows are raised when someone, especially a sound engineer says they co-authored anything with Prince. They must have a lose definition of the word.

I've talked to Femi Jiya (does anyone know how to get in touch with him - PM me if you do) about some of the stuff he worked on with different artists. I know he certainly wouldn't try to claim writing or production credit for things he works on even though he may bring ideas to the table.

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Reply #322 posted 04/19/17 2:49pm

LoriJ

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]

yeahthat ALL of that!

I love you baby, just not like I love this guitar.~Prince~
Reply #323 posted 04/19/17 2:53pm

TrivialPursuit

2045RadicalMattZ said:

If he "tinkered" with it...no matter... Still sounds light years better than most of the Michael Jackson releases....

No love on those tracks... only the one's I'd heard the old TOTO crew give a go at (confirmed by Steve Lukather on his FB account)


I shudder at those. Xscape was an opportunity missed, and overly fucked with. MJ made some amazing stuff when the Toto guys back then.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince |
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Reply #324 posted 04/19/17 3:07pm

Ingela

It's a great album and a great present to us from Ian. We owe him nothing but gratitude.

Reply #325 posted 04/19/17 3:26pm

leadline

SchlomoThaHomo said:

leadline said:


This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.

IDK. What if non-diehards hear it, and think, "Oh, it's nothing special. Maybe I won't be interested in future releases?" I feel like the first thing from the vault should blow people away, so as to whet peoples' appetites for future releases, and also build an audience for them. I guess if this thing doesn't end up reaching far and wide, maybe it doesn't matter. Listening to it in its entirety, I think it's really cool. Considering the circumstances, and lyrical themes, it does sort of sound like he's transmitting from beyond, which is eerie. I don't think it's better than AOA or HNR2, or even as good. But it's quite interesting, and enjoyable, and a wonderful surprise on the anniversary of his death.


That is the risk of any music that is released. I have been through the new EP 5 times and it is very strong, but that is me, all music is subjective anyway. I can tell you my thoughts of this EP are MUCH stronger after those 5 listens than on the 1st. If folks don't give these songs at least a few listens, they are robbing themselves of some great enjoyment imo. But like all new releases, it takes time for the "i relistened to this or that" posts to show up and it is amazing! Could take days, weeks, even years, but those posts will come, mark my words.

I listen to this music, I think about what was happening during that time, what was influencing him, did he ever intend this for release, was it just for himself (to get it out of the well) so to speak. Each song a different work of art representative of where he was at that time. These tracks rate very high for me, and it is not because they are new (to our ears).

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #326 posted 04/19/17 3:27pm

leadline

jaawwnn said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

The chord progression is different.

Yeah, it's cut from the same cloth alright but "exactly the same" ha, wash out your ears. Its like saying Crucial and Adore are exactly the same.


Perhaps exactly the same was too exact, I will go with ' cut from the same cloth', that works.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #327 posted 04/19/17 3:36pm

Telecaster5

I don´t care if it´s unfinished. I deleted the (bad) video the impersonator from my mind. It´s all about the happiness of hearing 'new' music from Prince again. I loved I Am and No One Else is already my favorite.

Thanks to this engineer for this gift (and yes, I agree with some of you that said that Prince could be behind that smile )

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others [?]
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

[Edited 4/19/17 15:41pm]

Reply #328 posted 04/19/17 3:45pm

bashraka

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits. He ain't fooling me. This is still Prince's stuff. He just manipulated it. He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video. He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that. Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself. He is dead meat when he goes to court.

My eyebrows are raised when someone, especially a sound engineer says they co-authored anything with Prince. They must have a lose definition of the word.

Agreed. It sounds like Ian Boxill took creative liberty and wrote musical parts after Prince's death to try and claim a songwriting credit which to me is dishonorable. He's a sound engineer, responsible for using the studio to capture the best sound quality for recordings. Not credible at all.

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
Reply #329 posted 04/19/17 3:56pm

liltalkm

I needed this EP, it was right on time.

Cause tomorrow is taking too long
and yesterday's too far away
and the reality that you believe in begins to bind.
Reply #330 posted 04/19/17 4:04pm

TheEnglishGent

Ingela said:

It's a great album and a great present to us from Ian. We owe him nothing but gratitude. 


You owe him $6.99, it's not a present. I don't ever remember having to pay someone for a gift. But I'm glad it's out there.
RIP sad
Reply #331 posted 04/19/17 4:08pm

kingricefan

I just downloaded it. Haven't listened yet. But, it still is available right now for downloading.

Reply #332 posted 04/19/17 4:35pm

Ingela

TheEnglishGent said:

Ingela said:

It's a great album and a great present to us from Ian. We owe him nothing but gratitude.

You owe him $6.99, it's not a present. I don't ever remember having to pay someone for a gift. But I'm glad it's out there.

Maybe but I heard them on youtube for free. Once it's out it's out.

Thank you Ian.

Reply #333 posted 04/19/17 4:37pm

XxAxX

wait a sec... thre YouTube version is a pirate?

Reply #334 posted 04/19/17 4:50pm

PurpleTrollster

lameless said:

The whole thing is on YouTube (for now).


I better get home and download that before they take it down! Lol
Huh?
Reply #335 posted 04/19/17 4:55pm

fortuneandserendipity

Genesia said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this confused




You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.


I'm going off past form. The songs do sound very distinct, having listened to them. But yes it is nice to have bc it's new music.


Interesting what I read from recently released biography, that latter-day Prince albums have a skeleton of several new songs already in place before a couple or few extra tracks are pulled from the vault to be reworked.



Reply #336 posted 04/19/17 5:01pm

XxAxX

XxAxX said:

wait a sec... thre YouTube version is a pirate?



okay. removed that YouTube link from my FB page nd replaced it with the formal link. THIS ALBUM ROCKS!!!!! i miss Prince a lot. such a comfort to hear this

[Edited 4/19/17 17:03pm]

Reply #337 posted 04/19/17 5:03pm

3rdeyedude

kingricefan said:

I just downloaded it. Haven't listened yet. But, it still is available right now for downloading.

With all due respect to Prince, I don't think this album would have sold well. It's just not that good and reminds me of songs that might have been left off of Planet Earth or PlectrumElectrum.

Reply #338 posted 04/19/17 5:13pm

lazycrockett

Its only clocks in at 15 minutes and with only one completed song. Its pretty much just throw away ideas and music that never got fleshed out. No One Else was the only song that got my attention. It has a Chaos and Disorder feel to it. Just songs thrown together and put out.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #339 posted 04/19/17 5:13pm

gandorb

This is good to have. To me, there is a certain blandness in the Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth releases, though each has some really good songs. While the songs here might not all be up to the best songs of those releases, it's strength is the unique sound that is not bland at all. As someone said earlier, it is a bit like a mini opera. For that, it is a welcome addition to his catalog.

Reply #340 posted 04/19/17 5:33pm

luvgirl

Deliverance is absolutely beautiful!!! Epic tribute song to our Prince...heart heart heart heart heart fallinluv fallinluv fallinluv fallinluv
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #341 posted 04/19/17 5:35pm

SomeSoldier

3rdeyedude said:

 



kingricefan said:


I just downloaded it. Haven't listened yet. But, it still is available right now for downloading.



 


With all due respect to Prince, I don't think this album would have sold well. It's just not that good and reminds me of songs that might have been left off of Planet Earth or PlectrumElectrum.


Isn't that exactly what it is?
Reply #342 posted 04/19/17 5:39pm

jdcxc

Giovanni777 said:

On another note: The song "No One Else" is awesome.



Yes! Truly funky
Reply #343 posted 04/19/17 5:40pm

SomeSoldier

I have to admit this has really grown on me in the last 24 hours...
Reply #344 posted 04/19/17 5:48pm

fortuneandserendipity

Music is really good. Production unlike overproduced Musicology and 3121 is fantastic! boxed

Reply #345 posted 04/19/17 5:54pm

leadline

SomeSoldier said:

I have to admit this has really grown on me in the last 24 hours...


Excellent, it only took you 24hrs smile Many have already thrown it into the trash pile, but they will post how much they love it too in months or years from now when they actually give the songs a few more listens. I will never understand why Prince fans so quickly discard newly dropped music as being substandard only to come back to it and praise it later.

This material is very strong.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #346 posted 04/19/17 5:56pm

rogifan

I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #347 posted 04/19/17 5:58pm

leadline

rogifan said:

I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.


I am not surprised, not sure how this engineer thought he could release this stuff without a purple avalanche coming down on him.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #348 posted 04/19/17 6:03pm

Ingela

leadline said:

 



rogifan said:


I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.


I am not surprised, not sure how this engineer thought he could release this stuff without a purple avalanche coming down on him.



He did alright. Mission accomplished. He got us all to listen to it. And made a lot of us happy. It's out and it will be out forever.

Let's remember, he said he would give most of the funds to the family so he wasn't in it for the money.

Good job Ian. Most of us appreciate it. There are a few dingleberries here, but overall we all thank you!
thumbs up!
Reply #349 posted 04/19/17 6:03pm

geeque

This is amazing. Tasty guitar and the songs segue is a nice touch.

Reply #350 posted 04/19/17 6:11pm

leadline

Ingela said:

leadline said:


I am not surprised, not sure how this engineer thought he could release this stuff without a purple avalanche coming down on him.

He did alright. Mission accomplished. He got us all to listen to it. And made a lot of us happy. It's out and it will be out forever. Let's remember, he said he would give most of the funds to the family so he wasn't in it for the money. Good job Ian. Most of us appreciate it. There are a few dingleberries here, but overall we all thank you! thumbs up!


He has my thanks, that is for sure. The dude even has an imposter Prince with a symbol guitar in his promo video, probably the engineer himself. That is why I originally thought this entire thing was a fake (until i heard the music), I know how prince moves and what his profile looks like, and that ain't it lol.



[Edited 4/19/17 18:47pm]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #351 posted 04/19/17 6:48pm

luvsexy4all

whats not to dig...

Reply #352 posted 04/19/17 6:55pm

PurpleDiamonds1

rogifan said:

I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.

sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1
I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...
Reply #353 posted 04/19/17 6:59pm

bilbolives

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting on the estate suing sound engineer Ian Boxill.

Reply #354 posted 04/19/17 7:09pm

purplethunder3121

At least someone is trying to get out Prince's music. confused

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #355 posted 04/19/17 7:41pm

kingricefan

3rdeyedude said:

kingricefan said:

I just downloaded it. Haven't listened yet. But, it still is available right now for downloading.

With all due respect to Prince, I don't think this album would have sold well. It's just not that good and reminds me of songs that might have been left off of Planet Earth or PlectrumElectrum.

Correct, it wouldn't have sold well and if Prince were still alive alot of fans would be angry because, as posted elsewhere here, there really is only one complete song. But, this is new music from our beloved Prince and since he's not here to finish these songs this is what we have to listen to. Who knows how long it will be before we hear any new material from the vault? Years at least. Throw in a roomful of lawyers (and don't kid yourselves, that's exactly what's happening right now) and we may never hear anything from the vault. Kudos to Ian Boxill for taking the risk of putting this cd out there for all of us to enjoy. The lawyers are going after him now so I wish him well. He has my full support if he is going to give all proceeds to the Estate. Releasing this music was something that Prince fans all over the world needed right now. One year is only one day away and the pain of losing Prince is still there so I am quite happy that I now have new music to hear to help me through the next day or two.

Reply #356 posted 04/19/17 7:48pm

farnorth

God it is beautiful.

Reply #357 posted 04/19/17 8:05pm

redaddict

That voice, that guitar, that passion, that magic... there is nothing else like it. I loved listening to this. I miss him so much. I am so happy we get to hear something new and beautiful at what is a very sad time for many of us. I for one, am sincerely thankful to Ian for putting this out there. fallinluv
Reply #358 posted 04/19/17 8:17pm

luvgirl

farnorth said:

God it is beautiful.




yeahthat Purple Rain beautiful....
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #359 posted 04/19/17 8:19pm

luvgirl

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:

I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.

sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1
I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...



You should have seen how many of my coworkers came up to me today to let me know Prince had a new album out. Lol. It was pretty cute. touched
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #360 posted 04/19/17 8:27pm

luvgirl

leadline said:

 



SomeSoldier said:


I have to admit this has really grown on me in the last 24 hours...


Excellent, it only took you 24hrs smile Many have already thrown it into the trash pile, but they will post how much they love it too in months or years from now when they actually give the songs a few more listens. I will never understand why Prince fans so quickly discard newly dropped music as being substandard only to come back to it and praise it later. 

This material is very strong.




Lol, I thought the same thing. Especially from Prince! Trust me, I've made that mistake myself a few times and learned the era of my ways! Never. Never. Disregard a Prince song. shake It will eventually sneak up on you...
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #361 posted 04/19/17 8:29pm

PurpleDiamonds1

luvgirl said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:


sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1
I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...



You should have seen how many of my coworkers came up to me today to let me know Prince had a new album out. Lol. It was pretty cute. touched

See ...this is how to keep others interested and wanting to listen to Prince and is what was needed this week.
Much thanks to the sound engineer for doing this, he cares about the music that is left to share.
Reply #362 posted 04/19/17 8:45pm

EddieC

So in Boxill's affidavit describing the process of the songs' creation, he refers to the string of songs I Am/Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else as "Man Opera." I'm not clear on whether this title is one Prince used or if it's something Boxill came up with.

Also, while I realize that Boxill himself describes doing a fair amount of rerecording and dropping and adding of new parts after he was no longer working alongside or with Prince's input, I still have to say that very little of this sounds "non-Prince" in the sense that he obviously would have disapproved of what was recorded. I'm not saying he did give Boxill permission to do what he wanted with the tracks, nor am I saying that he would have desired the tracks' release in this form (or in whatever form he last heard them/approved them--since we have no indication he ever got to the "this is going out" phase of their development). But he pretty much did (by both his and Josh's accounts) give that sort of freedom (and more) to Josh Welton for good chunks of two album releases under Prince's name. Maybe he did with Boxill, too.

No matter, either way. I like what I'm hearing, and what I'm hearing is two pretty good Prince works (Deliverance and the other thing, which I guess I'll call "Man Opera" too)--only on my third listen, so how good they really are, I'm not sure. I'm glad to have them. I would, of course, like to have whatever versions Prince last heard and approved, and whatever Prince first recorded, and everything in between. But I'd like that for almost every track in his catalog, and that is never going to happen, so I'll just gladly take what I have here.

Reply #363 posted 04/19/17 9:25pm

EnDoRpHn

Reply #364 posted 04/19/17 9:37pm

Ingela

You know left to their own devices the "estate" would have botched and butchered these tracks and god knows if they would have been released at all.

Anyone here have faith in "the estate"?

I would have been happier if everything had been donated to he state of Minnesota for preservation.
Reply #365 posted 04/19/17 10:25pm

lazycrockett

^Then someone should have written a will.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #366 posted 04/19/17 10:29pm

Cheater07

Okay, I just read what he did to the songs and cringed. You can finish Prince songs all you want (pretty decent job and all, thanks for your time) but without his approval it's not a Prince song.

He felt he had to remove The Twinz vocals?? He felt he needed to extend I Am (I knew those were looped vocals at the end...or am I wrong?) and No One Else (re-used those Touch Me vocals at the end?).

It's, it's.... I don't know... great to get new music, but not this way. These are forever poluted in my mind. I can't even say what's worse...this or not having heard the songs at all.
MPLSOUND
Reply #367 posted 04/19/17 11:08pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Prince Estate Don't Even THINK About Releasing New Music ...Producer Loses in Court


Prince's estate is putting the brakes on the planned release of a new album, thanks to a court ruling in its favor ... TMZ has learned.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/0...liverance/

http://prince.org/msg/7/441249


Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #368 posted 04/19/17 11:18pm

thedance

so, there's a lot of fighting going on in court...


HOW SAD IS THIS...... sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad

Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #369 posted 04/19/17 11:19pm

NeptuneHQ

Damn! I have missed it. [Snip - luv4u] Instead of releasing this album Paisley Park is releasing Purple Rain remixes. C'mon. Well if somebody would like to help me getting the Deliverance Album I would of course be very grateful.

There is too much snow in Hollywood!
Reply #370 posted 04/19/17 11:34pm

PurpleAUS

Moonbeam said:

Not available in Australia. Seems odd.

I don't know if someone has mentioned this before. Just go to Digital Downloads and pretend you are in the USA ( click on the " I am in the USA" button). I used a .com only email address and it worked just fine. The only thing I was a bit worried about was that it only takes credit card for payment.

Enjoy!

Reply #371 posted 04/19/17 11:37pm

purplethunder3121

Damn! sad

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #372 posted 04/19/17 11:47pm

PurpleAUS

purplethunder3121 said:

Damn! sad

I got the Digital Download about 30 mins ago from the above website. It might still be there even if the Apple ones have been removed.

Reply #373 posted 04/20/17 12:07am

bashraka

I hope Ian Boxill gets taken for everything he owns. I downloaded the EP for free. He isn't owed one debt of gratitude-at leaset from me. If he really was serious about sharing the music, he would have released the music without tampering with Prince's original tracks or do the honorable thing and return the master tapes to the Estate. Still will never understand why Prince didn't draft a will to keep vultures from pilfering his music.

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
Reply #374 posted 04/20/17 12:42am

SimonCharles

bashraka said:

I hope Ian Boxill gets taken for everything he owns. I downloaded the EP for free. He isn't owed one debt of gratitude-at leaset from me. If he really was serious about sharing the music, he would have released the music without tampering with Prince's original tracks or do the honorable thing and return the master tapes to the Estate. Still will never understand why Prince didn't draft a will to keep vultures from pilfering his music.

Possibly because he was not considering dying when he did. The irony of your actions surely aren't lost on you.

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
Reply #375 posted 04/20/17 12:43am

SimonCharles

Is it just me or can you hear Fripp, Crimson, Queen and a massive amount of Prog coming through this batch of music. It is fascinating...oh, and Bush.

This is nothing but whimsy but it is fucking brilliant.

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
Reply #376 posted 04/20/17 12:45am

SimonCharles

Sorry - just got to No One Else. And we really now need to start the discussion about quality control on Prince's releases.

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
Reply #377 posted 04/20/17 12:46am

BoraBora

bashraka said:

I hope Ian Boxill gets taken for everything he owns. I downloaded the EP for free. He isn't owed one debt of gratitude-at leaset from me. If he really was serious about sharing the music, he would have released the music without tampering with Prince's original tracks or do the honorable thing and return the master tapes to the Estate. Still will never understand why Prince didn't draft a will to keep vultures from pilfering his music.



If you're really convinced of what you are writing, why to partecipate to this crime you are describing, adding crime to crime illegally downloading an illegal release?!?!?


Reply #378 posted 04/20/17 12:56am

TheEnglishGent

kingricefan said: Who knows how long it will be before we hear any new material from the vault?

I'm gonna say, two months. lol

RIP sad
Reply #379 posted 04/20/17 1:04am

TheEnglishGent

Cheater07 said:

Okay, I just read what he did to the songs and cringed. You can finish Prince songs all you want (pretty decent job and all, thanks for your time) but without his approval it's not a Prince song.

Prince is no longer with us, so by your definition, we're never going to get another Prince song, ever. The reality is that all we have left are going to be releases which aren't Prince approved and are finished by other people.

Something I would like would be untouched versions of any releases, how Prince left them. But again, it's unlikely these would have been released by Prince so again, by your definition, they would be unapproved.

But sadly the only way we are ever going to hear his voice or guitar playing on new material again is with the touch of someone else in the mix. Personally I'm all for that and while we get new releses, official or otherwise, Prince lives on in my heart.

RIP sad
Reply #380 posted 04/20/17 1:51am

thisisreece

Who knows how much Boxill actually tinkered with these tracks, but they still remain uniquely Prince-ly to my ears. It was a delight listening to these songs. Though they sound oddly truncated, it is a great suite of music. Unusual melodies, great guitar playing, and Prince's voice is sublime.

I hope the vault is full of surprises such as this.

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #381 posted 04/20/17 1:53am

markg66

TheEnglishGent said:

Prince is no longer with us, so by your definition, we're never going to get another Prince song, ever. The reality is that all we have left are going to be releases which aren't Prince approved and are finished by other people.

Something I would like would be untouched versions of any releases, how Prince left them. But again, it's unlikely these would have been released by Prince so again, by your definition, they would be unapproved.

But sadly the only way we are ever going to hear his voice or guitar playing on new material again is with the touch of someone else in the mix. Personally I'm all for that and while we get new releses, official or otherwise, Prince lives on in my heart.

This...

And I'm just grateful that there's one song (Deliverance) out of the six I can have on consant replay...

Hoping for many, many, many more songs to come...

Reply #382 posted 04/20/17 2:31am

rogifan

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:

I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.

sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1
I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...

I get why it had to be taken down but just the fact it was #1...I'll bet music from the vault sells better than we expect. And I'll bet when the new Purple Rain deluxe album drops it will hit #1 on the charts.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #383 posted 04/20/17 2:39am

TheEnglishGent

rogifan said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:
sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1 I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...
I get why it had to be taken down but just the fact it was #1...I'll bet music from the vault sells better than we expect. And I'll bet when the new Purple Rain deluxe album drops it will hit #1 on the charts.

It was number 1 on pre-orders. What was it up against? That doesn't necessarilly mean it would be anywhere near number 1 on the sales chart.

RIP sad
Reply #384 posted 04/20/17 2:42am

rogifan

TheEnglishGent said:

 



rogifan said:


PurpleDiamonds1 said:
sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1 I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...

I get why it had to be taken down but just the fact it was #1...I'll bet music from the vault sells better than we expect. And I'll bet when the new Purple Rain deluxe album drops it will hit #1 on the charts.

It was number 1 on pre-orders. What was it up against? That doesn't necessarilly mean it would be anywhere near number 1 on the sales chart.


I'm not talking about this EP. I'm talking about official "new" music from the vault.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #385 posted 04/20/17 3:36am

PURPLEIZED3121

Cheater07 said:

Okay, I just read what he did to the songs and cringed. You can finish Prince songs all you want (pretty decent job and all, thanks for your time) but without his approval it's not a Prince song. He felt he had to remove The Twinz vocals?? He felt he needed to extend I Am (I knew those were looped vocals at the end...or am I wrong?) and No One Else (re-used those Touch Me vocals at the end?). It's, it's.... I don't know... great to get new music, but not this way. These are forever poluted in my mind. I can't even say what's worse...this or not having heard the songs at all.

very fair point but it's like always said about bootlegs i.e. leaked ones are often not finished until he released them & therefore I guess a sketch. That said the feeling I & many got when we first heard the title track was pure joy. Yes it's stolen material BUT bloody hell it was good to hear something new.

Reply #386 posted 04/20/17 4:17am

XxAxX

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:
I can confirm this is no longer available on iTunes or Apple Music. Though earlier today it was #1 on their pre-order chart.
sad this really should have stayed there....ugh look it even got to #1 I just listened to all the songs and really am liking it...

sad dang stupid me. should have downloaded this last night

Reply #387 posted 04/20/17 4:43am

donnyenglish

The Estate now has the master tape. If they were smart, they would immediately release the unedited version without Boxill's tinkering. But they wont.
Reply #388 posted 04/20/17 4:43am

aiden

Love it all. 2-5 is one song but it's a great song. Glad it's out there, thanks Ian
"Still Crazy 4 Coco Rock"
Reply #389 posted 04/20/17 4:56am

novabrkr

It's grown on me after several listens. The material is strong.

I have no problem with the guy trying to sell this. I'm more comfortable with the thought of people that have actually worked with Prince on his stuff getting the money than a relative that he barely had contact with.

Reply #390 posted 04/20/17 5:08am

Ingela

donnyenglish said:

The Estate now has the master tape. If they were smart, they would immediately release the unedited version without Boxill's tinkering. But they wont.


Stfu
Reply #391 posted 04/20/17 5:27am

CherryMoon57

Judging from the tracks selection, I think this was done with a good intent and a lot more in line with Prince's ethos than what will feature on the PR deluxe edition. I feel very grateful to have managed to 'listen' 😉 to this 'album' which seems like a timely gift to soothe the fans' loss.
Reply #392 posted 04/20/17 6:14am

BoraBora


Anyway, all happened in a very strange manner and timing......

Am I the only one who can not exclude that all this could be some kind of marketing strategy planned by some "genius" at the Estate and with Ian collaboration?!?!?


Just a thought, nothing more.


Reply #393 posted 04/20/17 6:18am

Ingela

BoraBora said:


Anyway, all happened in a very strange manner and timing......

Am I the only one who can not exclude that all this could be some kind of marketing strategy planned by some "genius" at the Estate and with Ian collaboration?!?!?


Just a thought, nothing more.


stfu

lol

[Edited 4/20/17 6:19am]

Reply #394 posted 04/20/17 6:31am

iZsaZsa

Telecaster5 said:

I don´t care if it´s unfinished. I deleted the (bad) video the impersonator from my mind. It´s all about the happiness of hearing 'new' music from Prince again. I loved I Am  and No One Else is already my favorite.


Thanks to this engineer for this gift (and yes, I agree with some of you that said that Prince could be behind that smile )


 


 


 


No one else


 


Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others [?]
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you
 
Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?


 

[Edited 4/19/17 15:41pm]


Thanks for posting those. smile
Reply #395 posted 04/20/17 6:55am

MrNelson7

Ingela said:

You know left to their own devices the "estate" would have botched and butchered these tracks and god knows if they would have been released at all. Anyone here have faith in "the estate"? I would have been happier if everything had been donated to he state of Minnesota for preservation.

Yes, I do. I may be naive, but I don't doubt for a minute that "they" want the music in the fans' hands. How to go about that in a way which not only honors the music and Prince, but also generates income so the legacy can continue is far more complicated and nuanced than the average Orger seems to allow for. Impatient and petulant- instant gratification. This seems to be the M.O. of many here. I think that some people are being absolutely ridiculous in expecting so much in so little time. And yes, a year is very little time when you consider the tangled web that Prince left behind in regards to his music. This is a multi-faceted issue which demands time and care.

[Edited 4/20/17 7:18am]

Reply #396 posted 04/20/17 7:08am

clairew1975

Ingela said:

clairew1975 said:

The estate have filed a lawsuit saying it's an unauthorised release. The video of a FAKE Prince, I mean REALLY!! This was planned and it pisses me off! No integrity whatsoever! This would never have been allowed if Prince was alive, he'd have SHUT IT DOWN!

Get over yourselff

Do your research and then go and take several seats!

Reply #397 posted 04/20/17 7:09am

clairew1975

PurpleMedley122 said:

Nice to see that the same fans who screamed exploitation everytime a Prince associate opened their mouth are now giving money to and praising a guy who is doing just that (illegal release, came out 4 days before 1 year anniversary, "souped up" tracks, fake Prince in video, charging money for bootleg). Hypocritical.

It's unbelievable isn't it.....SMH....

Reply #398 posted 04/20/17 7:18am

rogifan

MrNelson7 said:

 



Ingela said:


You know left to their own devices the "estate" would have botched and butchered these tracks and god knows if they would have been released at all. Anyone here have faith in "the estate"? I would have been happier if everything had been donated to he state of Minnesota for preservation.

Yes, I do. I may be naive, but I don't doubt for a minute that "they" want the music in the fans' hands. How to go about that in a way which not only honors the music and Prince, but also generates income so the legacy can continue is far more complicated and nuanced than the average Orger seems to allow for.  Impatient and petulant- instant gratification. This seems to be the M.O. of many here. I think that most people are being absolutely ridiculous in expecting so much in so little time. And yes, a year is very little time when you consider the tangled web that Prince left behind in regards to his music. This is a multi-faceted issue which demands time and care. 


A voice of reason. Not everyone is just out to trash his legacy to enrich themselves. There are lots of people who care about him not just "fams".
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #399 posted 04/20/17 7:28am

MrNelson7

rogifan said:

MrNelson7 said:

Yes, I do. I may be naive, but I don't doubt for a minute that "they" want the music in the fans' hands. How to go about that in a way which not only honors the music and Prince, but also generates income so the legacy can continue is far more complicated and nuanced than the average Orger seems to allow for. Impatient and petulant- instant gratification. This seems to be the M.O. of many here. I think that most people are being absolutely ridiculous in expecting so much in so little time. And yes, a year is very little time when you consider the tangled web that Prince left behind in regards to his music. This is a multi-faceted issue which demands time and care.

A voice of reason. Not everyone is just out to trash his legacy to enrich themselves. There are lots of people who care about him not just "fams".

Yes!

The legalities of this whole situation are far-reaching. And I'm not talking about the in-fighting which causes delays, or the questionable actions of some of the representatives. I'm not talking about the people involved. I'm talking about the actual LAW. It's complicated and complex.

Reply #400 posted 04/20/17 7:41am

Neversin

injuredpinky said:

Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

.

Who the fuck cares. Another way to approach it would be to make sure the "enginner" makes a LOT of money off this. Might inspire others to put out unreleased material from their collections as well. I'd rather that situation than the current bunch of nesting chickens sitting on their collections.

.

And what ever happened to the "sorry-big-chick-Wally" release from Eye?


Talk about a dumbfuck approach to this problem...
If fucking idiot people give this guy money for his enhanced garbage then other fucking idiots with unreleased material will also try to cash in by "enhancing" those recordings and scam fans...
You probably love having cunt products like Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, some pop rappers or any of these fucking pieces of shit brought in to "enhance" unreleased recordings, because giving a shitload of money to these moochers is the sure fire way to have that happen...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #401 posted 04/20/17 7:44am

clairew1975

rogifan said:

MrNelson7 said:

Yes, I do. I may be naive, but I don't doubt for a minute that "they" want the music in the fans' hands. How to go about that in a way which not only honors the music and Prince, but also generates income so the legacy can continue is far more complicated and nuanced than the average Orger seems to allow for. Impatient and petulant- instant gratification. This seems to be the M.O. of many here. I think that most people are being absolutely ridiculous in expecting so much in so little time. And yes, a year is very little time when you consider the tangled web that Prince left behind in regards to his music. This is a multi-faceted issue which demands time and care.

A voice of reason. Not everyone is just out to trash his legacy to enrich themselves. There are lots of people who care about him not just "fams".

Well said. A year is nothing when it's as complex as Prince's estate. That's what happens when you don't leave a will.

Let's hope the Estate don't feel pressured by the impatient ones and take their time and do it properly. I have a feeling though that there'll always be someone unhappy no matter what they do (sigh).

Reply #402 posted 04/20/17 7:50am

thx185

Uhh.. WOW. This EP is outstanding. It is from the same cloth as other recent era releases, but in my estimation is a lot better.

.

I think the difference is the additional production/engineering done by someone other than Prince. I'm one of those people that thinks he would have / could have benefited from other collaborators in the studio.

.

Oh man.. Touch Me is brilliant. This is the most interesting & progressive music I've heard from Prince in ages, maybe since ever. The medly type flow with I Am / Touch Me etc. is like a dream come true. It sounds like Prince without constraints of commercialism, image or label pressure.. exactly the kind of stuff I had hoped would come out of the vault.. but I had started to doubt there was anything of interest that had not been previously leaked.

.

Notwithstanding any legal concerns with this release, the music is hugely uplifting. So amazing to hear his voice paired with such interesting music again!

[Edited 4/20/17 8:11am]

"..free to change your mind"
Reply #403 posted 04/20/17 7:56am

sonshine

yeahthat
[Edited 4/20/17 8:04am]
Have you had your plus sign (+) today?
Reply #404 posted 04/20/17 7:57am

purplethunder3121

I'm just glad someone had the balls to put this out...

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #405 posted 04/20/17 8:12am

Se7en

I understand the basics of the legal issues going on with the Estate and the various music industry players, but for April 21st (tomorrow) to arrive and not DO SOMETHING is just a huge wasted opportunity. Especially since it's been said that he had a few new "current" albums already finished.

Even just to have ONE new song available tomorrow from the Estate would've been enough . . . but, nothing.

So to get this Deliverance package - however messed up it is legally - is a very nice surprise.

Not everyone can make it to Paisley Park for the Celebration or pay that kind of money, but we can all find a few bucks for something new.

Reply #406 posted 04/20/17 8:15am

MrNelson7

Se7en said:

I understand the basics of the legal issues going on with the Estate and the various music industry players, but for April 21st (tomorrow) to arrive and not DO SOMETHING is just a huge wasted opportunity. Especially since it's been said that he had a few new "current" albums already finished.

Even just to have ONE new song available tomorrow from the Estate would've been enough . . . but, nothing.

So to get this Deliverance package - however messed up it is legally - is a very nice surprise.

Not everyone can make it to Paisley Park for the Celebration or pay that kind of money, but we can all find a few bucks for something new.

But do you realize that they may not legally be able to release anything new? Wasted opportunity, yes. But perhaps the opportunity isn't actually there.

Reply #407 posted 04/20/17 8:16am

TheEnglishGent

Se7en said:

I understand the basics of the legal issues going on with the Estate and the various music industry players, but for April 21st (tomorrow) to arrive and not DO SOMETHING is just a huge wasted opportunity. Especially since it's been said that he had a few new "current" albums already finished.

Even just to have ONE new song available tomorrow from the Estate would've been enough . . . but, nothing.

So to get this Deliverance package - however messed up it is legally - is a very nice surprise.

Not everyone can make it to Paisley Park for the Celebration or pay that kind of money, but we can all find a few bucks for something new.

Well, it's not tomorrow yet. We can't complain about them doing nothing for a day which hasn't happened yet.

That said, I'm not expecting anything tomorrow. biggrin

RIP sad
Reply #408 posted 04/20/17 8:23am

paisleypark4

thx185 said:

Uhh.. WOW. This EP is outstanding. It is from the same cloth as other recent era releases, but in my estimation is a lot better.

.

I think the difference is the additional production/engineering done by someone other than Prince. I'm one of those people that thinks he would have / could have benefited from other collaborators in the studio.

.

Oh man.. Touch Me is brilliant. This is the most interesting & progressive music I've heard from Prince in ages, maybe since ever. The medly type flow with I Am / Touch Me etc. is like a dream come true. It sounds like Prince without constraints of commercialism, image or label pressure.. exactly the kind of stuff I had hoped would come out of the vault.. but I had started to doubt there was anything of interest that had not been previously leaked.

.

Notwithstanding any legal concerns with this release, the music is hugely uplifting. So amazing to hear his voice paired with such interesting music again!

[Edited 4/20/17 8:11am]

I have to agree it is really good and deserved to be heard and praised. it puts Prince in a good light. Deliverance is a great tune to come out during this week!! My personal favorite though is "No One Else". Stunning vocal effects.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #409 posted 04/20/17 8:29am

getxxxx

alandail said:

Unsurprisingly, it has dissapeared from the iTunes store.

i preordered got the single .... so i knew that could happen

Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman
Reply #410 posted 04/20/17 8:33am

Se7en

TheEnglishGent said:

Se7en said:

I understand the basics of the legal issues going on with the Estate and the various music industry players, but for April 21st (tomorrow) to arrive and not DO SOMETHING is just a huge wasted opportunity. Especially since it's been said that he had a few new "current" albums already finished.

Even just to have ONE new song available tomorrow from the Estate would've been enough . . . but, nothing.

So to get this Deliverance package - however messed up it is legally - is a very nice surprise.

Not everyone can make it to Paisley Park for the Celebration or pay that kind of money, but we can all find a few bucks for something new.

Well, it's not tomorrow yet. We can't complain about them doing nothing for a day which hasn't happened yet.

That said, I'm not expecting anything tomorrow. biggrin


That is true! If Beyoncé can drop whole albums with no notice, then Prince can too!

I don't expect anything either, but I'll be listening to Deliverance. Too bad it's only 16 minutes long, but it's a good 16 minutes.

Reply #411 posted 04/20/17 8:38am

purplethunder3121

Now if I could just hear Black is the New Black...

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #412 posted 04/20/17 8:41am

TheEnglishGent

getxxxx said:

alandail said:

Unsurprisingly, it has dissapeared from the iTunes store.

i preordered got the single .... so i knew that could happen

Should be able to get a refund.

RIP sad
Reply #413 posted 04/20/17 9:31am

peedub

i've got a playlist on my ipod entitled '3rdeyegirl'. i created it, i guess, around the time that whole project got started. it's got 60 tracks on it. granted, a few of them are old stuff that leaked during that time; but you know what the rest are? just random shit that PRINCE GAVE US...livestreams, remixes, rehearsals...shit that never saw an official release. you think he didn't know all that stuff would end up on people's ipods/phones?

since he's gone, we've had none of that...til this. re-worked, illegal...whatever. these tracks are great and i thank ian boxill for giving to the fans in the SAME SPIRIT THAT PRINCE GAVE. who cares if he makes a little dough...

Reply #414 posted 04/20/17 9:34am

peedub

Telecaster5 said:

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others SWEAT
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

Reply #415 posted 04/20/17 9:42am

1nitealone

He wanted 2 release it 2morrow for the 1 year of losing prince but the judge stopped the sale of it since the family didn't know anything about it
U gonna have 2 fight ure own damn war cuz we dont wanna fight no more!!
Reply #416 posted 04/20/17 9:59am

HerecomethePurpleYoda

Prince shall remain unheard.

Reply #417 posted 04/20/17 10:21am

IstenSzek

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Prince shall remain unheard.


the revolution won't be televised lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #418 posted 04/20/17 10:28am

getxxxx

TheEnglishGent said:

getxxxx said:

i preordered got the single .... so i knew that could happen

Should be able to get a refund.

you only got the title track with pre order not the rest of the EP. so i was only charged for the single. for those that ordered before it was put on hold.

Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman
Reply #419 posted 04/20/17 11:46am

TheEnglishGent

getxxxx said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Should be able to get a refund.

you only got the title track with pre order not the rest of the EP. so i was only charged for the single. for those that ordered before it was put on hold.

Ah, so you got what you paid for. Fair enough. cool

RIP sad
Reply #420 posted 04/20/17 12:42pm

PaisleyShark

I'm pretty uneasy about this release. It feels cynical, and the press release relying on an anti-majors attitude that was evident in the 90s and 00s, but less so on the last few years, seems disingenuous. I'm pretty sure Prince wouldn't have allowed it if he was around. By the same token, other than the Purple Rain remaster, almost any posthumous release - by the Estate or otherwise - is unlikely to have been released: maybe not in the sense that there never would have been any releases from the Vault at all, but probably not in the form and with the choices that the Estate will make. Any 'new' release is unlikely to have been what Prince would have wanted (going by his previous reluctance for and attitude to reissues and certain material, not any great insight on my part). It's a further step, however, to make changes vs release something as it was left by Prince.

I may still pick this up as the praise has got me interested, and whoever is making money off Prince releases now, we can't know whether that is or isn't what he would have wanted, because he didn't make plans.
Reply #421 posted 04/20/17 1:05pm

Ingela

I'm a apringe fan. Love Prince.

But fuck the estate and fuck the record labels.

If Prince was alive it would be a different story, but I could give a flying fuck about the so-called estate and the record labels.

When stuff goes on Spotify, I'll listen. But no one is paying for any of this stuff anyway. In the later days Prince relied on touring to make money and I'd gladly turn over my money to him no problem. His family or record labor. Fuck them.
Reply #422 posted 04/20/17 1:34pm

TheEnglishGent

Ingela said:

I'm a apringe fan. Love Prince. But fuck the estate and fuck the record labels. If Prince was alive it would be a different story, but I could give a flying fuck about the so-called estate and the record labels. When stuff goes on Spotify, I'll listen. But no one is paying for any of this stuff anyway. In the later days Prince relied on touring to make money and I'd gladly turn over my money to him no problem. His family or record labor. Fuck them.

You realise that if nobody gets paid then they stop releasing stuff?

RIP sad
Reply #423 posted 04/20/17 1:48pm

IstenSzek

Ingela said:

I'm a apringe fan. Love Prince. But fuck the estate and fuck the record labels. If Prince was alive it would be a different story, but I could give a flying fuck about the so-called estate and the record labels. When stuff goes on Spotify, I'll listen. But no one is paying for any of this stuff anyway. In the later days Prince relied on touring to make money and I'd gladly turn over my money to him no problem. His family or record labor. Fuck them.


by this reasoning it would be ok to never pay for anything anymore, as long as
the person who created it is dead.

eek

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #424 posted 04/20/17 1:52pm

clairew1975

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

Reply #425 posted 04/20/17 2:22pm

paisleypark4

clairew1975 said:

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

True. Well then he is wrong for releasing it. Either donate all proceeds to prince charity, the estate...or should have released them for free for the fans during our time of hardship and celebration.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #426 posted 04/20/17 2:24pm

paisleypark4

peedub said:

Telecaster5 said:

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others SWEAT
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

THIS is the Prince we all know and love right here in these lyrics of strange

mystery and seduction

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #427 posted 04/20/17 2:37pm

redaddict

So it's 21st here in Australia. I wake up, feel sad, want to listen to the Deliverance EP and... It's gone sad. I mean, I knew it would happen but I Didnt think it would be so fast. Stupid. It was never available to download here in Australia so I didn't get it. I feel (a tiny bit) like I've lost him again. Stupid, I know
Reply #428 posted 04/20/17 2:38pm

swoonfed

How many of y'all were, a year ago. pleading with the estate (even via petition) to not have P's recordings tampered with, and vowing to boycott any such efforts?? And now you're falling all over yourselves, being just fine with some dude using Prince like a puppet, taking his voice/melodies/music and shaping it to his own will, changing what he pleases, deciding for himself what to MAKE Prince do. Without oversight.

This guy who P trusted enough to work for him (FOR him, not WITH him), and now this dude STEALS those creations and makes them into his own, like P's a trained monkey, at the mercy of the guy at the controls. Any pictures contained therein should have SLAVE scrawled, once again, on his face.

How are people missing this.

Between this and the mass media's feeding frenzy, where they're practically drooling over the opportunity to finally turn P's life into the circus they always wanted it to be, I guess respect and reverence has a definite shelf-life. Just short of one year, apparently.

I've never really taken part in the cult of Prince fandom, despite the depth and longevity of my experiences with him. But now I think I'll cut off completely. I can't stand to see him treated and twisted this way. He deserves better.

Reply #429 posted 04/20/17 2:49pm

Genesia

clairew1975 said:

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....


You're missing the main point. Prince is not alive.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #430 posted 04/20/17 3:03pm

Ingela

TheEnglishGent said:

 



Ingela said:


I'm a apringe fan. Love Prince. But fuck the estate and fuck the record labels. If Prince was alive it would be a different story, but I could give a flying fuck about the so-called estate and the record labels. When stuff goes on Spotify, I'll listen. But no one is paying for any of this stuff anyway. In the later days Prince relied on touring to make money and I'd gladly turn over my money to him no problem. His family or record labor. Fuck them.

 


You realise that if nobody gets paid then they stop releasing stuff?



Of course.
People will always hire lawyers to get paid so that not going to change anything.

But no one "buys" albums anymore. Like I said, I'll listen on Spotify the tracks I want.
People will get paid.
I'll pay Spotify.
But the fuck I care about the family or the label or their lawyers.

There is a disconnect now. I cared Prince got paid and did well. I know the lawyers will get paid and pay their clients. But why the fuck I care about them? The bottom feeders will always eat.
Reply #431 posted 04/20/17 3:28pm

morningsong

Well that's what I get for patiently waiting until Friday. confused

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #432 posted 04/20/17 3:34pm

clairew1975

Genesia said:

 



clairew1975 said:


The estate's statement:


 


"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.


"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."


 


Source: www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-deliverance-ep-blocked-by-restraining-order-w477868


 


I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....


 




You're missing the main point. Prince is not alive.



You're missing MY point! If it was Prince NOT the estate you'd all go batshit crazy at this man. Because Prince is dead all bets are off? Wow, it only took one year to forget what he fought for.
Reply #433 posted 04/20/17 3:39pm

Mumio

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Prince shall remain unheard.



Never. lol hug

Welcome to "the org", Mumio… they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end.
Reply #434 posted 04/20/17 3:45pm

clairew1975

swoonfed said:

How many of y'all were, a year ago. pleading with the estate (even via petition) to not have P's recordings tampered with, and vowing to boycott any such efforts??  And now you're falling all over yourselves, being just fine with some dude using Prince like a puppet, taking his voice/melodies/music and shaping it to his own will, changing what he pleases, deciding for himself what to MAKE Prince do.  Without oversight. 


 


This guy who P trusted enough to work for him (FOR him, not WITH him), and now this dude STEALS those creations and makes them into his own, like P's a trained monkey, at the mercy of the guy at the controls.  Any pictures contained therein should have SLAVE scrawled, once again, on his face. 


 


How are people missing this.  


 


Between this and the mass media's feeding frenzy, where they're practically drooling over the opportunity to finally turn P's life into the circus they always wanted it to be, I guess respect and reverence has a definite shelf-life.  Just short of one year, apparently.  


 


I've never really taken part in the cult of Prince fandom, despite the depth and longevity of my experiences with him.  But now I think I'll cut off completely.  I can't stand to see him treated and twisted this way.  He deserves better.  


 


 



Me neither, been a fan of his Music for 30 years. The fact this man has blatantly done this NOW is NOT coincidence, he knew there would be people desperate to hear something, anything from Prince. He's using fans/fams grief to cash in and it's unbelievable people are defending it. Utter bullshit. But the precedents been set, so I'm sure someone else will try the same BUT so long as you get your hands on his music regardless if it was unauthorised then it's all good because all bets are off now his gone!! Unbelievable.....I'm done.
Reply #435 posted 04/20/17 4:09pm

PurpleDiamonds1

morningsong said:

Well that's what I get for patiently waiting until Friday.    confused


comfort
Reply #436 posted 04/20/17 4:13pm

XxAxX

i'm super grateful to Ian for releasing these. if i were to break my own rule and download a bootlegged copy, i would (hypothetically speaking) send a check to the estate for sundries and likewise look for a way to pay the guy who recorded mixed them. this album is right on time, and i think his gesture is one of comfort to Prince fans who are missing the man. just my 2c

Reply #437 posted 04/20/17 4:26pm

Telecaster5

iZsaZsa said:


0Thanks for posting those. smile

You´re welcome biggrin

Reply #438 posted 04/20/17 4:28pm

XxAxX

i am holding out hope for the CD to be released on schedule for purchase pray

Reply #439 posted 04/20/17 4:52pm

EddieC

paisleypark4 said:

clairew1975 said:

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

True. Well then he is wrong for releasing it. Either donate all proceeds to prince charity, the estate...or should have released them for free for the fans during our time of hardship and celebration.

Releasing them for free wasn't an option for him either, if he signed such an agreement. I mean, the reality is that if he signed such an agreement, then the recordings were Prince's, and having been Prince's recordings during his lifetime, the recordings would have passed on to his legal heirs after his death. So he wouldn't have had the authority to release them whether he did it for free, or with all proceeds going to charity or even to the estate.

As for rushing to buy it and whether people would have done it while Prince was alive--of course they would have. Many people have rushed for years to buy from other folks that had no claim to the ownership of the material they sold--you ever hear of bootlegs? And even the fine folks who put together all those incredible releases for free...they've never had authority to do it. But many of us want the music enough to go against Prince's wishes in order to get it. Even now, with the sharing of bootlegs, some people still buy the commercial boots and their sharing is what lets the rest of us hear those releases while feeling good about not buying them. In the case of Deliverance, not wanting to miss the train before it left the station (or just disappeared into thin air), some people bought while the buying was possible. It's not new, it didn't start with Boxill--it started long before Prince died. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen--but in a perfect world Prince would be alive and would have been selling us this stuff for decades.

Reply #440 posted 04/20/17 6:22pm

bilbolives

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting on US District Judge Wilhelmina Wright's temporary restraining order against Boxill's plan to release the five-song EP.

Reply #441 posted 04/20/17 6:35pm

purplethunder3121

UPDATE: Title Track of Prince’s ‘Deliverance’ EP Back On Sale Despite Court Order

LOS ANGELES - MARCH 19:  Musician Prince performs onstage at the 36th Annual NAACP Image Awards at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on March 19, 2005 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)

Prince performs onstage at the 36th Annual NAACP Image Awards at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on March 19, 2005 in Los Angeles, California.

*The title track of Prince’s “Deliverance” EP, the lone song made available on iTunes and Apple Music earlier this week from the album’s six planned for release Friday, has once again been made available for sale despite a court order shutting down sales of the entire album. The song, however, remains off of all streaming service.

As previously reported, a United States District Court judge in Minnesota granted a temporary restraining order to the estate of Prince against the planned release of “Deliverance,” which Prince recorded between 2006 and 2008.


The title track became available on iTunes and Apple Music Tuesday night along with a press release promising “new undiscovered Prince recordings” to be released Friday (April 21), the one-year anniversary of the musician’s death.

That same night, Prince’s estate sued George Ian Boxill, the project’s co-producer, claiming Boxill was “unauthorized” to release the music.


“The Estate is taking immediate legal actions to prevent Mr. Boxill’s continuing violations of his agreement and the rights of the Estate and its partners in Prince’s recordings,” the estate said on Wednesday before the ruling. “Any dissemination of the recordings and underlying music compositions, or fixation of the same in any audiovisual work or otherwise, is unauthorized and in violation of the Estate’s rights to the master recordings and musical compositions.”

On Wednesday night, a judge agreed with the estate, writing that Boxill “shall not publish or otherwise disseminate any unreleased recordings that comprise the work of Prince Rogers Nelson that are alleged to be within the scope of the Confidentiality Agreement between Boxill and Paisley Park Enterprises.” The ruling also forced Boxill to immediately deliver all of the recordings to the estate.

David Staley, co-founder of RMA, the Vancouver, Washington record label behind the EP, says that because the title track “Deliverance” was commercially released prior to the temporary restraining order, it is exempt from the ban.

“I was pleased by the ruling last night, which in a nutshell indicated everything that has been released up to the time of the judge’s ruling, late evening April 19th, can be and should be enjoyed by the fans,” Staley tells Rolling Stone. “This includes the ‘Deliverance’ single and all other released works. My team and I are excited for the ‘Deliverance’ single to be available again to Prince’s loyal fans. I, like Ian, feel ‘Deliverance’ is a very timely song and believe it will bring comfort to many in these trying times.”


The restraining order is set to expire on May 3rd, with a hearing planned before then to determine the next course of action.

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #442 posted 04/20/17 7:21pm

laurarichardson

Genesia said:

 



clairew1975 said:


The estate's statement:


 


"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.


"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."


 


Source: www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-deliverance-ep-blocked-by-restraining-order-w477868


 


I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....


 




You're missing the main point. Prince is not alive.


The point is this guy stole this material. He does have the copyright on it and he did not own the master. Copyrights do not die because the creator is dead.
[Edited 4/21/17 2:36am]
Reply #443 posted 04/20/17 7:23pm

laurarichardson

purplethunder3121 said:

UPDATE: Title Track of Prince’s ‘Deliverance’ EP Back On Sale Despite Court Order



LOS ANGELES - MARCH 19:  Musician Prince performs onstage at the 36th Annual NAACP Image Awards at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on March 19, 2005 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)

Prince performs onstage at the 36th Annual NAACP Image Awards at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on March 19, 2005 in Los Angeles, California.



*The title track of Prince’s “Deliverance” EP, the lone song made available on iTunes and Apple Music earlier this week from the album’s six planned for release Friday, has once again been made available for sale despite a court order shutting down sales of the entire album. The song, however, remains off of all streaming service.


As previously reported, a United States District Court judge in Minnesota granted a temporary restraining order to the estate of Prince against the planned release of “Deliverance,” which Prince recorded between 2006 and 2008.



The title track became available on iTunes and Apple Music Tuesday night along with a press release promising “new undiscovered Prince recordings” to be released Friday (April 21), the one-year anniversary of the musician’s death.


That same night, Prince’s estate sued George Ian Boxill, the project’s co-producer, claiming Boxill was “unauthorized” to release the music.



“The Estate is taking immediate legal actions to prevent Mr. Boxill’s continuing violations of his agreement and the rights of the Estate and its partners in Prince’s recordings,” the estate said on Wednesday before the ruling. “Any dissemination of the recordings and underlying music compositions, or fixation of the same in any audiovisual work or otherwise, is unauthorized and in violation of the Estate’s rights to the master recordings and musical compositions.”


On Wednesday night, a judge agreed with the estate, writing that Boxill “shall not publish or otherwise disseminate any unreleased recordings that comprise the work of Prince Rogers Nelson that are alleged to be within the scope of the Confidentiality Agreement between Boxill and Paisley Park Enterprises.” The ruling also forced Boxill to immediately deliver all of the recordings to the estate.


David Staley, co-founder of RMA, the Vancouver, Washington record label behind the EP, says that because the title track “Deliverance” was commercially released prior to the temporary restraining order, it is exempt from the ban.


“I was pleased by the ruling last night, which in a nutshell indicated everything that has been released up to the time of the judge’s ruling, late evening April 19th, can be and should be enjoyed by the fans,” Staley tells Rolling Stone. “This includes the ‘Deliverance’ single and all other released works. My team and I are excited for the ‘Deliverance’ single to be available again to Prince’s loyal fans. I, like Ian, feel ‘Deliverance’ is a very timely song and believe it will bring comfort to many in these trying times.”



The restraining order is set to expire on May 3rd, with a hearing planned before then to determine the next course of action.



 


Only because people downloaded it already but other than that Ian is done.
Reply #444 posted 04/20/17 7:31pm

funksterr

I'm team Ian Boxill on this one. Prince fukked him on the CONtract. Not for sure, but I kinda think this guy was low-key snitching on Prince about this situation years ago online. It could have been some other totally-not co-writer-or-co-producer, but engineer. Either way he's out for his due and I hope he gets it. On the toher hand, he signed his claim away to Prince and we all know were Prince still alive he wouldn't be pullin this shit so... fux it I'm Team Not-Give-A-Damn-Really. biggrin lol

Reply #445 posted 04/20/17 10:32pm

kinskie

Maybe the whole thing was planned this way from the estate and Ian. The estate is not yet allowed to release anything out of the vault because things are not settled yet and wanting to do something for the anniversary and give "new" music to the fans, they decided to go this way?

I don't know anything and this is just my theorie.

"I'm not a human, I am a dove. I'm your conscious, I am love"
Reply #446 posted 04/20/17 10:40pm

bluegangsta

kinskie said:

Maybe the whole thing was planned this way from the estate and Ian. The estate is not yet allowed to release anything out of the vault because things are not settled yet and wanting to do something for the anniversary and give "new" music to the fans, they decided to go this way?

I don't know anything and this is just my theorie.

Then it's a bad sign for leaving future releases as he left them.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #447 posted 04/20/17 11:41pm

Identity

The ruling also forced Boxill to immediately deliver all of the recordings to the estate.


He's toast. Fini. Kaput.

[Edited 4/20/17 23:48pm]

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Reply #448 posted 04/21/17 12:58am

Bohemian67

I just thank this guy. Today would have been awful without Deliverance.

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
Reply #449 posted 04/21/17 1:26am

tintin

I was happy to pay for what must have been a lot of work by IB.

The legal stuff isn't my issue to worry about. That's between him and the Estate.

In the absence of a will (stupid, stupid, stupid), folks need to wake up to the fact that EVERYTHING released from now on - official or unofficial - is very likely not what P would have wanted. If you have a problem with that then you should consider Phase 2 as his last ever output.

All of my hang-ups have gone. How I wish you felt the same.
Reply #450 posted 04/21/17 1:36am

fabriziovenerandi

Bohemian67 said:

I just thank this guy. Today would have been awful without Deliverance.

+1

Reply #451 posted 04/21/17 2:19am

thisisreece

We got to hear some totally unheard of music from 2007-2008. How many years would it have taken before the estate would have thought something like this was worthy of release?

Cheers Ian.

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #452 posted 04/21/17 2:28am

TheEnglishGent

tintin said:

In the absence of a will (stupid, stupid, stupid), folks need to wake up to the fact that EVERYTHING released from now on - official or unofficial - is very likely not what P would have wanted. If you have a problem with that then you should consider Phase 2 as his last ever output.


Very true.


They also need to consider that Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs, so to have a problem with things being finished by others must mean that they also have never owned a boot...

RIP sad
Reply #453 posted 04/21/17 3:25am

paulludvig

I don't mind music being released from whatever source. The more the better. I just wish the engineer hadn't tampered with the recording, adding stuff without Prince's oversight.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #454 posted 04/21/17 3:29am

TheEnglishGent

paulludvig said:

I don't mind music being released from whatever source. The more the better. I just wish the engineer hadn't tampered with the recording, adding stuff without Prince's oversight.


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.

RIP sad
Reply #455 posted 04/21/17 4:14am

paulludvig

TheEnglishGent said:

 



paulludvig said:


I don't mind music being released from whatever source. The more the better. I just wish the engineer hadn't tampered with the recording, adding stuff without Prince's oversight.


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.



I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #456 posted 04/21/17 4:36am

TheEnglishGent

paulludvig said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.

I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

It all depends on how complete something is, I don't have any problems with the principal. If there's something which is just vocals and a click track, why not have somebody make it into a full song? If somebody wants to go messsing with something which is already a full song, then that isn't on.

Deliverance has been widely praised and that was finished by someone else. I'm assuming you haven't enjoyed that, which is a shame. I'd still like to hear the tracks for that EP before they were finished though, it would be very interesting to hear how they stood before any additions.

RIP sad
Reply #457 posted 04/21/17 4:37am

laurarichardson

paulludvig said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.

I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.

Reply #458 posted 04/21/17 4:53am

paulludvig

TheEnglishGent said:

 



paulludvig said:


TheEnglishGent said:

 



Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.



I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

 


It all depends on how complete something is, I don't have any problems with the principal. If there's something which is just vocals and a click track, why not have somebody make it into a full song? If somebody wants to go messsing with something which is already a full song, then that isn't on.

Deliverance has been widely praised and that was finished by someone else. I'm assuming you haven't enjoyed that, which is a shame. I'd still like to hear the tracks for that EP before they were finished though, it would be very interesting to hear how they stood before any additions.



I didn't have a problem with people adding stuff when Prince was still around to approve the result. He always had people contributing arrangements for horns and strings. But as we know he often made changes to the arrangements collaboraters offered him. Prince had the final say. The music was ultimately his. Boxill adding stuff after Prince's passing is unethical.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #459 posted 04/21/17 5:27am

udo

TheEnglishGent said:

tintin said:

In the absence of a will (stupid, stupid, stupid), folks need to wake up to the fact that EVERYTHING released from now on - official or unofficial - is very likely not what P would have wanted. If you have a problem with that then you should consider Phase 2 as his last ever output.


Very true.


They also need to consider that Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs, so to have a problem with things being finished by others must mean that they also have never owned a boot...

.

What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #460 posted 04/21/17 5:41am

TheEnglishGent

udo said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Very true.


They also need to consider that Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs, so to have a problem with things being finished by others must mean that they also have never owned a boot...

.

What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

RIP sad
Reply #461 posted 04/21/17 5:45am

tclifton

I honeslty don't understand why people have a problem with this or any bootlegs at this point?

Prince is dead. He didn't leave a will. It's a free for all. If he had opinions on what he wanted, he had every right to spell them out in a will but he didn't. So who cares? I'm happy to grab all of the music that I can possibly get my hands on.

Reply #462 posted 04/21/17 5:46am

bluegangsta

TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

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What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #463 posted 04/21/17 5:47am

TheEnglishGent

tclifton said:

I honeslty don't understand why people have a problem with this or any bootlegs at this point?

Prince is dead. He didn't leave a will. It's a free for all. If he had opinions on what he wanted, he had every right to spell them out in a will but he didn't. So who cares? I'm happy to grab all of the music that I can possibly get my hands on.


I don't think anyone has a problem with this as a bootleg, the problem was that the guy was selling them. Also that he's made additions to the tracks and claiming co-authorship.

RIP sad
Reply #464 posted 04/21/17 5:58am

laurarichardson

bluegangsta said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

This is not sharing this guy is selling and he stole this material while Prince was alive and well.

He is violating an agreement he signed and has no rights to the material.

I suspect if he was really owed money for working on the tracks he would have filled a claim with the estate.

Reply #465 posted 04/21/17 6:09am

TheEnglishGent

bluegangsta said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

Yep, that is very true. He didn't like people selling them and getting a slice of the purple pie though.

RIP sad
Reply #466 posted 04/21/17 6:24am

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

bluegangsta said:

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

This is not sharing this guy is selling and he stole this material while Prince was alive and well.

He is violating an agreement he signed and has no rights to the material.

I suspect if he was really owed money for working on the tracks he would have filled a claim with the estate.

Thanks Laura, good to see you back!

Reply #467 posted 04/21/17 6:26am

udo

TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

.

What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

.

There is a difference between what people say and what people do.

I asked specific questions to find out the purpose of mr Prince's behaviour in this area of recording.

You simply dived into your personal case, not the real subject.

Please read my sentence with the load of crap as directed to mr Prince as if he were alive.

Hopefully you can then look beyond that and see my questions as somewhat valid.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #468 posted 04/21/17 6:29am

MMJas

laurarichardson said:

bluegangsta said:

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

This is not sharing this guy is selling and he stole this material while Prince was alive and well.

He is violating an agreement he signed and has no rights to the material.

I suspect if he was really owed money for working on the tracks he would have filled a claim with the estate.

Agree

Him making money out of it is what puts me off. Had he released it free, to be shared amongst the fans, that would have been honest and cool.

Reply #469 posted 04/21/17 6:34am

TheEnglishGent

udo said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

.

There is a difference between what people say and what people do.

I asked specific questions to find out the purpose of mr Prince's behaviour in this area of recording.

You simply dived into your personal case, not the real subject.

Please read my sentence with the load of crap as directed to mr Prince as if he were alive.

Hopefully you can then look beyond that and see my questions as somewhat valid.


That's fair enough. When you put it as a response to my quote, which was nothing to do with what you were saying, it really confused things. A stand alone post would have made your meaning clear.

RIP sad
Reply #470 posted 04/21/17 7:04am

jaypotton

Not going to repeat what I have said on another thread raging about this but will say this...

If Prince were alive he would receive royalties on music he has written and performed. Now that he is dead the recipients of those royalties are his estate.

So...will the estate receive any royalties from the Ian Boxill released Deliverance EP.

The answer is clearly NO so that makes this unofficial and an attempt to cash in.

Now if Ian Boxill had released this for FREE for fans to share then as others have said...that would be very cool of him!

The issue is "show me the money"
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #471 posted 04/21/17 7:28am

Neversin

TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

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What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.


Prince didn't give a shit about people having unreleased songs or shows, his only grievance were people who sold these and made a profit of of his work...
Prince himself owned a shit ton of George Clinton, Marvin Gaye and James Brown bootlegs and, even worse, owned (and bought) session tapes of unreleased material of other bands he liked...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #472 posted 04/21/17 7:40am

peedub

Neversin said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.


Prince didn't give a shit about people having unreleased songs or shows, his only grievance were people who sold these and made a profit of of his work...
Prince himself owned a shit ton of George Clinton, Marvin Gaye and James Brown bootlegs and, even worse, owned (and bought) session tapes of unreleased material of other bands he liked...

Neversin.



he regularly released stuff (rehearsals, remixes, jam sessions) online that he knew would be bootlegged, likely for the express purpose of giving the fans some nuggets...

also, isn't he on record saying (i believe in his george lopez interview?) he didn't care what happened to vault material after he was gone. saying, essentially, 'let them sort it out'? also, if he gave a shit, he'd've left a will.

i honestly don't think he cared...he was looking forward...

Reply #473 posted 04/21/17 8:21am

paisleypark4

jaypotton said:

Not going to repeat what I have said on another thread raging about this but will say this... If Prince were alive he would receive royalties on music he has written and performed. Now that he is dead the recipients of those royalties are his estate. So...will the estate receive any royalties from the Ian Boxill released Deliverance EP. The answer is clearly NO so that makes this unofficial and an attempt to cash in. Now if Ian Boxill had released this for FREE for fans to share then as others have said...that would be very cool of him! The issue is "show me the money"

Agree. Somehow...somebody got all the tracks anyway so its all good now.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #474 posted 04/21/17 11:18am

feeluupp

THE WHOLE EP IS UP NOW ON TIDAL, AND FOR SALE AS WELL...

Reply #475 posted 04/21/17 12:34pm

deck7

LISTEN HERE:

https://www.mixcloud.com/CanEyePlayWithU/deliverance-this-is-not-religion/

and if you're smart, you will figure out how to DL

cool

BTW just wanted to send a very grateful THANK YOU to this community for sharing boots, photos and videos for us to enjoy!

Reply #476 posted 04/21/17 1:30pm

feeluupp

feeluupp said:

THE WHOLE EP IS UP NOW ON TIDAL, AND FOR SALE AS WELL...

And they took it down on TIDAL...

Reply #477 posted 04/21/17 1:32pm

Vannormal

You can find it ALL OVER TEH BLOODY INTERNET. look for it. smile

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Songs are OK, as expected realy.

Not all that impressive, but it's always nice to hear new Prince material though. smile

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'Deliverance' is a nice gospel track. But we already have better gospel tracks by Prince.

And, it's ending is strange and too short imho. Lyricaly, typical Prince...

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'I Am' is a short rocker and kicks off with P's voice pitched up quite a lot. But, the song has a sparse production and seems somehow a bit too slow. Heavily guitar driven, bit of a boring solo, imho.

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'Touch Me' is nothing new. A two chord balad, that ends too quick with an uninspiring guitar solo, imho.

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'Sunrise Sunset' is a love balad. Dry production. a bit of a small opera-ish track like '3 chains o gold', but less impressive. Clocks in at 1:13 !! (imho...)

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'No 1 Else' promises with a good start, but quickly bores. Actually this is 'Sunrise Sunset' part II. (imho?) wink

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'I AM' extended, 3:50, yep, this is the extended version. Just an extra verse and bridge, fades out ???

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Nothing special, nothing shocking, nothing new. No new 'sound'. Nothing worth the fuzz.

Peace.


“My body reeks with lust, I will rape you if i must.”
Reply #478 posted 04/21/17 1:44pm

IstenSzek

i don't think "no one else" bores quickly, i think it's freakin' amazing. music

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #479 posted 04/21/17 2:23pm

Se7en

Definitely sounds like Prince of that era -- 3121 overlapping Planet Earth, with a touch of (then defunct) NPGMC and shades of F.U.N.K. and SST.

It's fun, short and sweet -- an EP as described and not an album.

Reply #480 posted 04/21/17 2:40pm

ludwig

paulludvig said:

I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Many old paintings and scultpures are getting restored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsVx9kSDKA

Reply #481 posted 04/21/17 2:49pm

ludwig

Neversin said:


Prince didn't give a shit about people having unreleased songs or shows, his only grievance were people who sold these and made a profit of of his work...
Neversin.

Not true. In 2014 prince and his lawyers forced a lot of blogs that shared bootleg recordings for free to shut down. And then he lied to the press that he's only taking legal action against those who sell bootlegs.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140126/22483926006/prince-sues-22-fans-1-million-each-linking-to-bootlegs-laughably-confused-complaint.shtml

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Reply #482 posted 04/21/17 2:56pm

Ingela

ludwig said:

paulludvig said:

I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Many old paintings and scultpures are getting restored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsVx9kSDKA

Restored to their original condition if possible. But no museum ever enhances a great artists work and call it a finished work.

Imagine if they called in Andy Warhol to finish a Michaelangelo piece. lol

It would be another ironic Andy Warhol piece but not a restored Michaelangelo.

Reply #483 posted 04/21/17 5:37pm

homesquid

Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.

Reply #484 posted 04/21/17 6:17pm

oliviacamron

No One Else is a very sexy song
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #485 posted 04/21/17 7:11pm

feeluupp

homesquid said:

Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.

Agreed...

I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...

But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...

This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.

Reply #486 posted 04/21/17 8:59pm

cudnpete

I don't care about Ian, or the estate. I really needed this today. To think that I thought that I would be in mourning again and crying, yet, I am listening to new music, great music, growing on me with every listen. Even the back and forth going on between is the same with any other Prince release. This music was a gift, and it was so needed today. I was dreading this day for months and here we are discussing his music again. He never released like we thought, so why should we be surprisesd now.

I cannot wait to see what else will trinkle out. I am blessed and today is a day of appreciation because Prince will continue to be a PRESENT part of our lives, and his music will come out just when we need it, and God, I did today.

Carry on with your arguments and I am going to ignore them because I can, I can, I can, I can!!!!

Thank you Prince!!!!!!

Reply #487 posted 04/21/17 11:38pm

jaypotton

Ingela said:

 



ludwig said:


 



paulludvig said:


I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Many old paintings and scultpures are getting restored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsVx9kSDKA



 


 


Restored to their original condition if possible. But no museum ever enhances a great artists work and call it a finished work.

Imagine if they called in Andy Warhol to finish a  Michaelangelo piece. lol


 


It would be another ironic Andy Warhol piece but not a restored Michaelangelo. 



Wait a second...you are the person who has been sparring with me and calling me a sycophant on the "schism" thread because I do not support paying for unofficial releases and you were saying Ian Boxill did the right thing releasing Deliverance and getting paid for it because Prince owed him money. But by what you say above you do not agree with Ian Boxill "completing" and "adding" to the songs on the EP?

Talk about taking a contradictory position = you have lost all credibility!
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'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #488 posted 04/21/17 11:55pm

fabriziovenerandi

Formally, do you think Deliverance is a Prince ufficial "controversial" release, or a bootleg?

Reply #489 posted 04/22/17 12:03am

jaypotton

fabriziovenerandi said:

Formally, do you think Deliverance is a Prince ufficial "controversial" release, or a bootleg?



Well technically there is no difference.

I will just copy across something I posted on many of the threads on same subject...

If Prince were alive he would receive royalties on music he has written and performed. Now that he is dead the recipients of those royalties are his estate.

So...will the estate receive any royalties from the Ian Boxill released Deliverance EP.

The answer is clearly NO so that makes this unofficial and an attempt to cash in.

Now if Ian Boxill had released this for FREE for fans to share then as others have said...that would be very cool of him!

The issue is "show me the money" regardless of anyone's personal opinion about Prince's heirs and the way the estate are handling anything, it is theirs to handle and nobody else's!
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #490 posted 04/22/17 12:19am

BoraBora

fabriziovenerandi said:

Formally, do you think Deliverance is a Prince ufficial "controversial" release, or a bootleg?



The same as "94 East" by Pepe Willie.

If you look at it as semi-official like me, "Deliverance" falls in the same category.


Reply #491 posted 04/22/17 12:26am

jaypotton

BoraBora said:

 



fabriziovenerandi said:


Formally, do you think Deliverance is a Prince ufficial "controversial" release, or a bootleg?





The same as "94 East" by Pepe Willie.

If you look at it as semi-official like me, "Deliverance" falls in the same category.




Hmmmm not really. The tracks on 94East were not the sole creations of Prince. They were co-written by others and featured other musicians. Therefore those others involved could lay claim to ownership or co-ownership.

In this case the tracks are the sole creation of Prince. The engineer who worked with him in the studio (as a hired gun) kept the tapes and "finished" them without permission from Prince or his estate. These are not co-creations.

One simple question to ask is...if Prince were alive would he support this release?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #492 posted 04/22/17 12:34am

BoraBora

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said:



The same as "94 East" by Pepe Willie.

If you look at it as semi-official like me, "Deliverance" falls in the same category.


Hmmmm not really. The tracks on 94East were not the sole creations of Prince. They were co-written by others and featured other musicians. Therefore those others involved could lay claim to ownership or co-ownership. In this case the tracks are the sole creation of Prince. The engineer who worked with him in the studio (as a hired gun) kept the tapes and "finished" them without permission from Prince or his estate. These are not co-creations. One simple question to ask is...if Prince were alive would he support this release?


Pepe Willie released the 94 East after the Purple Rain success to cash-in.
And as far as I know P was not happy to see that.
But anyway the 94 East (all countless releases) are universally considered semi-official and not strictly bootlegs.

Technically you're right in sayin' that "Deliverance" is a P creation and "94 East" was not, but commercially we are talkin' of the same thing.... with the difference that Pepe Willie did it with P alive and Ian did it now one year after P death.

Anyway, to be honest I don't find that so important. What matters is the music.

Reply #493 posted 04/22/17 12:40am

Vannormal

I woke up this morning and imediately I thought of how I felt just a year ago.

The very first day after the most uncomprehensive news ever.

So I decided to listen again to the EP in my bed on my iPad.

And, it got me with pure sadness.

You're right. It's 'sweet' to hear new Prince music on this too short EP.

I nearly cried thinking that Prince isn't just more then merely a vase of ashes in his own recording studio.

It's so sad. After 1 year I still can't get it.

And then, all of a sudden, a tiny bit of new music is there.

I suddenly realise that post-Prince era is defineaely there.

It will be difficult.

We were so spoiled over the past decades. Tons and tons of music, always and again.

Offical, and unofficial. Through others, in all kinds of forms, etc.

Of course it's hard to like everything Prince put out.

But a bit of respect is in its place right here.

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This EP is indeed 'sweet'.

It's made probably with the idea of a next project, ect, like always.

Living the eternal life. Full of ideas and projects. Always looking ahead.

And then, suddenly found dead in an elevator.

Still, it's all about the F.U.N.K. that he is in 'I AM'. And that's all that matters.

Thank you Prince.

“My body reeks with lust, I will rape you if i must.”
Reply #494 posted 04/22/17 12:55am

jaypotton

BoraBora said:

 



jaypotton said:


BoraBora said:

 




The same as "94 East" by Pepe Willie.

If you look at it as semi-official like me, "Deliverance" falls in the same category.




Hmmmm not really. The tracks on 94East were not the sole creations of Prince. They were co-written by others and featured other musicians. Therefore those others involved could lay claim to ownership or co-ownership. In this case the tracks are the sole creation of Prince. The engineer who worked with him in the studio (as a hired gun) kept the tapes and "finished" them without permission from Prince or his estate. These are not co-creations. One simple question to ask is...if Prince were alive would he support this release?


Pepe Willie released the 94 East after the Purple Rain success to cash-in.
And as far as I know P was not happy to see that.
But anyway the 94 East (all countless releases) are universally considered semi-official and not strictly bootlegs.

Technically you're right in sayin' that "Deliverance" is a P creation and "94 East" was not, but commercially we are talkin' of the same thing.... with the difference that Pepe Willie did it with P alive and Ian did it now one year after P death.


Anyway, to be honest I don't find that so important. What matters is the music.



Oh I am not saying Pepe Willie wasn't cashing in etc and that Prince wasn't pissed. What I am saying is that Prince could not block the release of 94East because it was a co-creation and he did not own the copyright.

If Prince were alive he COULD BLOCK the release of Deliverance because he is the sole copyright owner (ergo the estate).
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #495 posted 04/22/17 12:58am

BoraBora

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said:


Pepe Willie released the 94 East after the Purple Rain success to cash-in.
And as far as I know P was not happy to see that.
But anyway the 94 East (all countless releases) are universally considered semi-official and not strictly bootlegs.

Technically you're right in sayin' that "Deliverance" is a P creation and "94 East" was not, but commercially we are talkin' of the same thing.... with the difference that Pepe Willie did it with P alive and Ian did it now one year after P death.

Anyway, to be honest I don't find that so important. What matters is the music.

Oh I am not saying Pepe Willie wasn't cashing in etc and that Prince wasn't pissed. What I am saying is that Prince could not block the release of 94East because it was a co-creation and he did not own the copyright. If Prince were alive he COULD BLOCK the release of Deliverance because he is the sole copyright owner (ergo the estate).



According to what you are sayin', any P release after his death is not official because if alive he could block the release.

But P is dead. Let's face it. There is a B.P. and a A.P.


Reply #496 posted 04/22/17 1:52am

TheEnglishGent

BoraBora said:

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said: Oh I am not saying Pepe Willie wasn't cashing in etc and that Prince wasn't pissed. What I am saying is that Prince could not block the release of 94East because it was a co-creation and he did not own the copyright. If Prince were alive he COULD BLOCK the release of Deliverance because he is the sole copyright owner (ergo the estate).



According to what you are sayin', any P release after his death is not official because if alive he could block the release.

But P is dead. Let's face it. There is a B.P. and a A.P.



Yes, there is BP and AP. But in this after Prince world the authority for blocking or authorising releases lies with the estate. So now, whether we like it or not, we have to look to the estate to say what is official or not.

RIP sad
Reply #497 posted 04/22/17 3:01am

jaypotton

BoraBora said:

 



jaypotton said:


BoraBora said:

 



Pepe Willie released the 94 East after the Purple Rain success to cash-in.
And as far as I know P was not happy to see that.
But anyway the 94 East (all countless releases) are universally considered semi-official and not strictly bootlegs.

Technically you're right in sayin' that "Deliverance" is a P creation and "94 East" was not, but commercially we are talkin' of the same thing.... with the difference that Pepe Willie did it with P alive and Ian did it now one year after P death.


Anyway, to be honest I don't find that so important. What matters is the music.



Oh I am not saying Pepe Willie wasn't cashing in etc and that Prince wasn't pissed. What I am saying is that Prince could not block the release of 94East because it was a co-creation and he did not own the copyright. If Prince were alive he COULD BLOCK the release of Deliverance because he is the sole copyright owner (ergo the estate).



According to what you are sayin', any P release after his death is not official because if alive he could block the release.

But P is dead. Let's face it. There is a B.P. and a A.P.




Sigh... Not at all. Official means authorised by the estate (if Prince were alive it would be Prince authorising but now it is HIS estate that owns the copyright and therefore rights to release or authorise releases). If the estate have not authorised it then it is not official.

So (assuming the Univeral deal is not dead) if Universal had released Deliverance we could very safely assume it was an official release. They didn't so it isn't!

It is all quite simple and black and white really. Not sure why folks are struggling with this?

Oh and BTW - THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE LONGEVITY OF PRINCE'S LEGACY AND US FANS GETTING HOLD OF HIS VAULT MATERIAL IN FUTURE...

If the estate does not clamp down on copyright infringement they will cease to be a viable entity as they will have no income to enable them to continue their activities. Basically if Ian Boxill gets away with this it opens the door to anyone else doing the same. It will set a precedent in law that ignores copyright!

Prince never ever permitted copyright infringement. He spent over half his life fighting to protect and gain ownership of HIS artistic creations. If he were alive he would not have allowed Ian Boxill to do this and therefore nor should the estate!
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'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #498 posted 04/22/17 3:08am

BoraBora

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said:



According to what you are sayin', any P release after his death is not official because if alive he could block the release.

But P is dead. Let's face it. There is a B.P. and a A.P.


Sigh... Not at all. Official means authorised by the estate (if Prince were alive it would be Prince authorising but now it is HIS estate that owns the copyright and therefore rights to release or authorise releases). If the estate have not authorised it then it is not official. So (assuming the Univeral deal is not dead) if Universal had released Deliverance we could very safely assume it was an official release. They didn't so it isn't! It is all quite simple and black and white really. Not sure why folks are struggling with this? [Edited 4/22/17 3:03am]



Because even if The Estate now will decide what do release and what to not release, we'll have no chances to be sure that P would agree with them.

So yes, commercially talking "The Estate" mark will give the release "officiality".

But it will never be true to the artist's desire of release "this" or "that".

Reply #499 posted 04/22/17 3:13am

jaypotton

BoraBora said:

 



jaypotton said:


BoraBora said:

 




According to what you are sayin', any P release after his death is not official because if alive he could block the release.

But P is dead. Let's face it. There is a B.P. and a A.P.




Sigh... Not at all. Official means authorised by the estate (if Prince were alive it would be Prince authorising but now it is HIS estate that owns the copyright and therefore rights to release or authorise releases). If the estate have not authorised it then it is not official. So (assuming the Univeral deal is not dead) if Universal had released Deliverance we could very safely assume it was an official release. They didn't so it isn't! It is all quite simple and black and white really. Not sure why folks are struggling with this? [Edited 4/22/17 3:03am]



Because even if The Estate now will decide what do release and what to not release, we'll have no chances to be sure that P would agree with them.

So yes, commercially talking "The Estate" mark will give the release "officiality".


But it will never be true to the artist's desire of release "this" or "that".

 



That argument is irrelevant in law and copyright.

Prince is dead. Prince didn't leave a will. It is therefore impossible to have any idea what Prince would have wanted to happen to his creations (and the vault) after he died.

By law Prince's estate now owns the copyright. They also therefore control what is and is not released whether we like that or not.

There is no grey area justification.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #500 posted 04/22/17 3:19am

BoraBora

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said:



Because even if The Estate now will decide what do release and what to not release, we'll have no chances to be sure that P would agree with them.

So yes, commercially talking "The Estate" mark will give the release "officiality".

But it will never be true to the artist's desire of release "this" or "that".

That argument is irrelevant in law and copyright. Prince is dead. Prince didn't leave a will. It is therefore impossible to have any idea what Prince would have wanted to happen to his creations (and the vault) after he died. By law Prince's estate now owns the copyright. They also therefore control what is and is not released whether we like that or not. There is no grey area justification.


To be clear, you're right on all.

But the fact that "Deliverance" didn't came out from The Estate doesn't automatically implies that Prince would have never approved the release, as many here are hinting to.

Just that.

Reply #501 posted 04/22/17 3:27am

jaypotton

BoraBora said:

 



jaypotton said:


BoraBora said:

 




Because even if The Estate now will decide what do release and what to not release, we'll have no chances to be sure that P would agree with them.

So yes, commercially talking "The Estate" mark will give the release "officiality".


But it will never be true to the artist's desire of release "this" or "that".

 



That argument is irrelevant in law and copyright. Prince is dead. Prince didn't leave a will. It is therefore impossible to have any idea what Prince would have wanted to happen to his creations (and the vault) after he died. By law Prince's estate now owns the copyright. They also therefore control what is and is not released whether we like that or not. There is no grey area justification.


To be clear, you're right on all.

But the fact that "Deliverance" didn't came out from The Estate doesn't automatically implies that Prince would have never approved the release, as many here are hinting to.


Just that.



Ok fair point...but conversely if you look at Prince's 30+ year career the only time he ever allowed someone a co-producer credit was Kirky J on Emancipation and Josh on HITNRUN phase 1.

If Prince had intended for Ian Boxill to co-produce these tracks then why didn't they come out a decade ago when they were originally recorded?

Equally, if Ian Boxill had evidence that this was indeed Prince's intent and that he had his blessing then why not approach the estate with said evidence and get an official release and credit?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #502 posted 04/22/17 3:39am

rogifan

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said:

 



jaypotton said:


BoraBora said:

 




Because even if The Estate now will decide what do release and what to not release, we'll have no chances to be sure that P would agree with them.

So yes, commercially talking "The Estate" mark will give the release "officiality".


But it will never be true to the artist's desire of release "this" or "that".

 



That argument is irrelevant in law and copyright. Prince is dead. Prince didn't leave a will. It is therefore impossible to have any idea what Prince would have wanted to happen to his creations (and the vault) after he died. By law Prince's estate now owns the copyright. They also therefore control what is and is not released whether we like that or not. There is no grey area justification.


To be clear, you're right on all.

But the fact that "Deliverance" didn't came out from The Estate doesn't automatically implies that Prince would have never approved the release, as many here are hinting to.


Just that.



Ok fair point...but conversely if you look at Prince's 30+ year career the only time he ever allowed someone a co-producer credit was Kirky J on Emancipation and Josh on HITNRUN phase 1.

If Prince had intended for Ian Boxill to co-produce these tracks then why didn't they come out a decade ago when they were originally recorded?

Equally, if Ian Boxill had evidence that this was indeed Prince's intent and that he had his blessing then why not approach the estate with said evidence and get an official release and credit?

I thought I read somewhere that most of the profits would go to the estate. If that's the case why not go to the Estate in the first place? He had to know the Estate was going to try and block it.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #503 posted 04/22/17 7:55am

SchlomoThaHomo

I think this whole thing is brilliant. I wasn't sure at first, but listening to it in its entirety a few times, the brilliance shines through.

Deliverance is moving, and so needed right now. I love how the Man Opera flows together as one song. It kind of takes me back to Golden Slumbers-Carry That Weight-The End in its execution. Who else could put something together quite like this?

I Am is just nasty.

"Who will touch me and know that I'm real?" Love that line.

What a gift!
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #504 posted 04/22/17 7:58am

laurarichardson

BoraBora said:

 



fabriziovenerandi said:


Formally, do you think Deliverance is a Prince ufficial "controversial" release, or a bootleg?





The same as "94 East" by Pepe Willie.

If you look at it as semi-official like me, "Deliverance" falls in the same category.



No it does not. Prince did not have the copyrights on those songs and was not able to stop Pepe. The estate is saying Ian does not have the copyright on the material and he signed a contract upon working for Prince stating he would have no ownership of the master tape and copyrights. There really is nothing that Ian owns and as far as payment was concerned he should have filed a claim.
Reply #505 posted 04/22/17 8:03am

Neversin

ludwig said:

Neversin said:


Prince didn't give a shit about people having unreleased songs or shows, his only grievance were people who sold these and made a profit of of his work...
Neversin.

Not true. In 2014 prince and his lawyers forced a lot of blogs that shared bootleg recordings for free to shut down. And then he lied to the press that he's only taking legal action against those who sell bootlegs.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140126/22483926006/prince-sues-22-fans-1-million-each-linking-to-bootlegs-laughably-confused-complaint.shtml

[Edited 4/21/17 14:49pm]


Big difference from what I posted...
Prince himself gave out tapes to people with unreleased material...
Sharing (free or by selling) and people owning his material are two different things...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #506 posted 04/22/17 8:49am

EddieC

BoraBora said:

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said: Hmmmm not really. The tracks on 94East were not the sole creations of Prince. They were co-written by others and featured other musicians. Therefore those others involved could lay claim to ownership or co-ownership. In this case the tracks are the sole creation of Prince. The engineer who worked with him in the studio (as a hired gun) kept the tapes and "finished" them without permission from Prince or his estate. These are not co-creations. One simple question to ask is...if Prince were alive would he support this release?


Pepe Willie released the 94 East after the Purple Rain success to cash-in.
And as far as I know P was not happy to see that.
But anyway the 94 East (all countless releases) are universally considered semi-official and not strictly bootlegs.

Technically you're right in sayin' that "Deliverance" is a P creation and "94 East" was not, but commercially we are talkin' of the same thing.... with the difference that Pepe Willie did it with P alive and Ian did it now one year after P death.

Anyway, to be honest I don't find that so important. What matters is the music.

There's nothing unofficial about the 94 East material. Prince was a hired hand on those recordings, and the owner of them released them in a perfectly legitimate manner. Prince might not have liked it, but the decision was not his to make, at all. I'm sure there's material out there that Eric Leeds or other hired players were paid to work on that they didn't particularly care to have released--but Prince, who owned the recordings, did--so he released them. That's the situation with 94 East. Those are official releases--they just aren't Prince releases. They aren't bootlegs in any sense.

The Deliverance material is a different kettle of fish. It wasn't Boxill's legal choice to release them.

Reply #507 posted 04/22/17 9:38am

luvsexy4all

what sucks is he "touched" it.....would rather have it the they way he did it......hope this doesnt start a trend for his vault material!!!!

Reply #508 posted 04/22/17 10:11am

blizzybiz

feeluupp said:

homesquid said:

Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.

Agreed...

I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...

But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...

This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.

No, this EP is quite good. Probably the best thing I've heard from Prince in years as far as "releases" go. I dont' know about masterpiece, but this is the kind of music that is signature Prince; music that you aren't gonna just go "wow" on your first listen, but grows on your the more you listen to it. The first listen of SOTT? I was like, wtf, Prince? The way I see it? You're right; PE was sub-par, at least in my eyes. But who knows naybe that's what drove him to record stuff like this during that period? Maybe in releasing something that he knew was not his best stuff, he recorded things like this to get it out and on tape, because, as has been said, he has recorded numerous songs that people "just weren't ready for". And Deliverance? Good lord, the shit would have hit the proverbial fan had he released this back then. Anyway, my vote is that this EP is easily a 8/10.

Reply #509 posted 04/22/17 11:39am

EddieC

I agree with the people who say they want the "original" recordings, without Boxill's additions since Prince's death. But what does that mean? Boxill (at least according to his account) already did some arranging and recording on his own BEFORE Prince died with Prince giving his approval for those contributions to the tracks. Yes, Boxill was working in the capacity of an arranger, and almost certainly would never have gotten a producer credit (nor a composer credit) if those versions had been released by Prince. But they were still part of an overall Prince-led and -controlled project. So those versions (with Boxill's arrangements and recordings) would count as "real Prince outtakes" and, like the Eric Leeds on sax version of The Ballad of Dorothy Parker would be something I would want to have and consider actual Prince products. As much so as versions that were exclusively Prince and did not include any Boxill contributions (other than engineering work, obviously).

However, the post-death versions are what we have for now (perhaps the others will sometime be available to us, and that would be nice)--and they probably come close to what the norm for future releases will be. I don't know what the process used for the Purple Rain package was, and whether it was all done before Prince's death or not (I suspect not, based on some of the tracklist), but I'm guessing a lot of vault releases will require "finishing" in some way, at least for general consumption. They might dump material on us as much of Dylan's recent "clearing the decks" type releases have been, but I doubt it--if for no other reason than that collectors already have so much of it. I figure they'll do it in smaller batches, and aim for releasing things that "feel" like completed work--and that's gonna mean completing it, sometimes.

I don't anticipate huge amounts of additions, but I think that we need to get used to the idea that "official" releases from the estate are not going to be "Prince" versions--other people will be shaping them. This is obviously going to be the case as far as any "albums" or "collections" we see--but it's also going to be true for individual tracks. And if it isn't, some of us will complain about the result as many of us did about Moonbeam Levels--"it sounds like an outtake"--"it sounds like an old recording from 1982"--which of course it is, one he abandoned back then, without ever completely finishing, without ever mixing and mastering to a completed state, without ever placing in a definite context. People other than Prince will make what are artistic decisions--and Prince didn't even make the decision about who those people would be. So while there are going to be (I hope) many releases coming from the folks who have the legal authority to release Prince material, none of those releases will be Prince-authorized, or Prince-approved, or (in all likelihood) necessarily Prince-heard, or exclusively Prince-created. Boxill's attempted release obviously wasn't any of those things--but if the estate were to decide to release the same versions a month or a decade from now--which one assumes they could since their blocking of Boxill's release is based on the idea that the estate owns the recordings--they would suddenly become legal "official Prince releases" but they still wouldn't be Prince-authorized, -approved, or even -heard.

The posthumous releases are all compromised--none of them have Prince's authorization. Even those that he may have been working on or approved before his death he might have changed his mind on had he lived, adding, editing, or even cancelling. As far as I'm concerned, the official discography ended with Black Sweat on April 18, 2016. That's the last thing that we know came out with his approval; everything else (official or unofficial) is subject to other people's will.

I know this is long-winded and maybe unnecessary. I guess I'm just thinking aloud. But some people seem to be far more judgmental or certain about this whole issue than I am. So I thought I'd just see what my thinking really was. For what it's worth.

Reply #510 posted 04/22/17 11:43am

EddieC

razz

(originally a comment continuing my previous post--but since it showed up on the next page, it didn't really work. Nothing important, any way.)

[Edited 4/22/17 11:44am]

Reply #511 posted 04/22/17 11:54am

jaypotton

EddieC said:

I agree with the people who say they want the "original" recordings, without Boxill's additions since Prince's death.  But what does that mean?  Boxill (at least according to his account) already did some arranging and recording on his own BEFORE Prince died with Prince giving his approval for those contributions to the tracks.  Yes, Boxill was working in the capacity of an arranger, and almost certainly would never have gotten a producer credit (nor a composer credit) if those versions had been released by Prince.  But they were still part of an overall Prince-led and -controlled project.  So those versions (with Boxill's arrangements and recordings) would count as "real Prince outtakes" and, like the Eric Leeds on sax version of The Ballad of Dorothy Parker would be something I would want to have and consider actual Prince products.  As much so as versions that were exclusively Prince and did not include any Boxill contributions (other than engineering work, obviously).


 


However, the post-death versions are what we have for now (perhaps the others will sometime be available to us, and that would be nice)--and they probably come close to what the norm for future releases will be.  I don't know what the process used for the Purple Rain package was, and whether it was all done before Prince's death or not (I suspect not, based on some of the tracklist), but I'm guessing a lot of vault releases will require "finishing" in some way, at least for general consumption.  They might dump material on us as much of Dylan's recent "clearing the decks" type releases have been, but I doubt it--if for no other reason than that collectors already have so much of it.  I figure they'll do it in smaller batches, and aim for releasing things that "feel" like completed work--and that's gonna mean completing it, sometimes.  


 


I don't anticipate huge amounts of additions, but I think that we need to get used to the idea that "official" releases from the estate are not going to be "Prince" versions--other people will be shaping them.  This is obviously going to be the case as far as any "albums" or "collections" we see--but it's also going to be true for individual tracks.  And if it isn't, some of us will complain about the result as many of us did about Moonbeam Levels--"it sounds like an outtake"--"it sounds like an old recording from 1982"--which of course it is, one he abandoned back then, without ever completely finishing, without ever mixing and mastering to a completed state, without ever placing in a definite context.  People other than Prince will make what are artistic decisions--and Prince didn't even make the decision about who those people would be.  So while there are going to be (I hope) many releases coming from the folks who have the legal authority to release Prince material, none of those releases will be Prince-authorized, or Prince-approved, or (in all likelihood) necessarily Prince-heard, or exclusively Prince-created.  Boxill's attempted release obviously wasn't any of those things--but if the estate were to decide to release the same versions a month or a decade from now--which one assumes they could since their blocking of Boxill's release is based on the idea that the estate owns the recordings--they would suddenly become legal "official Prince releases" but they still wouldn't be Prince-authorized, -approved, or even -heard.   


 


The posthumous releases are all compromised--none of them have Prince's authorization.  Even those that he may have been working on or approved before his death he might have changed his mind on had he lived, adding, editing, or even cancelling.  As far as I'm concerned, the official discography ended with Black Sweat on April 18, 2016.  That's the last thing that we know came out with his approval; everything else (official or unofficial) is subject to other people's will.  


 


I know this is long-winded and maybe unnecessary.  I guess I'm just thinking aloud.  But some people seem to be far more judgmental or certain about this whole issue than I am.  So I thought I'd just see what my thinking really was.  For what it's worth.



EddieC what happened to your paragraph breaks...very hard to read!

Edit: and yet they magically reappear when I quoted you? Weird. Maybe just my screen?
[Edited 4/22/17 11:56am]
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #512 posted 04/22/17 12:00pm

TheEnglishGent

jaypotton said:


EddieC what happened to your paragraph breaks...very hard to read! Edit: and yet they magically reappear when I quoted you? Weird. Maybe just my screen? [Edited 4/22/17 11:56am]

Don't worry, it's not your screen. You need to do a shift+enter to get a paragraph break to work here for a normal post. They work in quotes though. One of the quirks of the org smile.

RIP sad
Reply #513 posted 04/22/17 1:37pm

EddieC

TheEnglishGent said:

jaypotton said:


EddieC what happened to your paragraph breaks...very hard to read! Edit: and yet they magically reappear when I quoted you? Weird. Maybe just my screen? [Edited 4/22/17 11:56am]

Don't worry, it's not your screen. You need to do a shift+enter to get a paragraph break to work here for a normal post. They work in quotes though. One of the quirks of the org smile.

I keep forgetting how to do that for some reason. Sorry.

Reply #514 posted 04/22/17 2:22pm

stpaisios

Only Prince had luxury to keep material like this... buried and unreleased.

Reply #515 posted 04/22/17 3:33pm

laurarichardson

stpaisios said:

Only Prince had luxury to keep material like this... buried and unreleased.


-/He did not keep it this fuckwad had the whole time.
Reply #516 posted 04/22/17 5:17pm

controversy99

Very nice little EP and a good surprise. Here's my review:

**** out of 5

1. Deliverance
Best track on the album and one of his strongest of the past 10 years. Lyrically, it's a great example of Prince going spiritual without being dogmatic. That's a nice change compared to some of the more JW-influenced material. The singing and guitar are great, inspired without being districting.

The opera, tracks 2-5
The connections between these tracks are pretty cool, although to me it's really tracks 3-5 that hang together. Track 2 stands alone nicely.

2. I Am
My second favorite track. The guitar solo is great. It's got a lot of little flourishes that he rarely included on studio albums. There's a guitar riff that he's copped from somewhere else, but I can't place it. "And I heard 'em say!" nice little alusion to spiritual songs.

3. Touch Me
This where the album gets a little cheesy. It's got an All the Midnights in the World vibe, especially the singing, but it's much, much better than that song. The lyrics are interesting. It's a nice little song, not too exciting but pretty enjoyable.

4. Sunrise Sunset
This song reminded me of the Beatles--it has a vibe like on of Paul McCartney's cheesier songs, that somehow works in the context of a great album. This song is similar. It's cheesy by itself, especially in the beginning, but it gets stronger as it continues and fits nicely in the album. The tie into No One Else works.

5. No One Else
It's understated but interesting. This really ties in Touch Me and Sunrise Sunset obviously, although it kind of shortens the actual No One Else themed section of the song.

6. I Am (extended)
See #2, except more. I like this song, so a longer version is nice.

Overall
Nice production, good guitar, great organic sound, and pretty good songwriting. It's in the top 25 albums/EPs/maxi-singles of his career (meaning better than average). I rank it around the Gett Off maxi-single.
[Edited 4/22/17 17:20pm]
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #517 posted 04/22/17 5:29pm

awruss

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think this whole thing is brilliant. I wasn't sure at first, but listening to it in its entirety a few times, the brilliance shines through. Deliverance is moving, and so needed right now. I love how the Man Opera flows together as one song. It kind of takes me back to Golden Slumbers-Carry That Weight-The End in its execution. Who else could put something together quite like this? I Am is just nasty. "Who will touch me and know that I'm real?" Love that line. What a gift!

I was thinking the same exact thing that is reminded me of the Abbey Road medleys.

For those people who aren't familiar, let me explain the brilliance. Abbey Road has two Medleys. The first begins with "You Never Give Me Your Money", and what the Beatles did is, they took the middle bridge and reprised the beginning of "You Never Give Me Your Money" (with different lyrics) within the second medley (Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End) thereby "connecting" the entire second half of the album and giving it a feeling of completness which is considered, by many, to be brilliant!!!


What Prince did here is very similar. He included parts of "Sunrise Sunset" and "Touch Me" within the final song of the medley, "No One Else", so yeah, it's freakin' brilliant!!!!

I think what might have happened is some people might have simply listened to the songs individually, and maybe they haven't realized yet that the songs are actually part of a medley, and need to be listened to as such to feel it.

It only took me three listens to "get it" and realize the brilliance of it.

As far as the individual songs are concerned:

"Deliverance" - LOVE IT!!! This song is just amazing!!! I haven't been this excited with a new Prince song since P-Funk.

"I Am" - Not a huge fan. Funny that a song from that era sounds so much like the Third Eye Girl stuff he did later on. To me, it's an OK song, but it doesn't seem to fit in with the same vibe as the other three songs in the medley.

"Touch Me" - reminds me of the song "Splash" - similar vibe. Very nice heartfelt song!!!

"Sunrise Sunset" - reminds me of Queen, and even the Beatles in that it has that music hall quality to it - especially the piano part. If Paul McCartney ever hears this, he would love it! The song does have that operatic feeling like parts of Behemian Rhapsody. Love It!!!

No One Else - i LOVE how the songs starts - that is some groove right there! The song also reminds me a little of some parts of the song Crystal Ball.

Reply #518 posted 04/23/17 11:28am

fortuneandserendipity

feeluupp said:

homesquid said:

Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.

Agreed...

I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...

But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...

This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

Reply #519 posted 04/23/17 11:33am

fortuneandserendipity

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

TheEnglishGent said: I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.


[Bait snip - luv4u]

Reply #520 posted 04/24/17 3:56am

jaypotton

fortuneandserendipity said:

 



feeluupp said:


 



homesquid said:


Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.



 


Agreed...


 


I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...


 


But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...


 


This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.



The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it. 



You forgot to say "IMHO" because that is what that is, your opinion
biggrin

Personally I far prefer 3121 to PE but also prefer Lotusflwr to 3121. However, I prefer PE to 20Ten. Musicology has always been a odd one for me. Like it but don't love it.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #521 posted 04/24/17 3:57am

jaypotton

fortuneandserendipity said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



paulludvig said:


TheEnglishGent said: I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill



http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true


 


Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.



 



[Bait snip - luv4u]



Why the personal attack on Laurarichardson?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #522 posted 04/24/17 4:06am

laurarichardson

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.

[Bait snip - luv4u]

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

Reply #523 posted 04/24/17 4:17am

Mumio

jaypotton said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Why the personal attack on Laurarichardson?



I am curious too why lately people think they need to be attacking anyone here.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio… they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end.
Reply #524 posted 04/24/17 6:28am

luv4u

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Reply #525 posted 04/24/17 7:54am

DD55

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

Kinda funny they have a copy of this contract but didn't have the WB contract. hummmm. just saying.

Reply #526 posted 04/24/17 8:08am

MiceElfAgin

laurarichardson said:

stpaisios said:

Only Prince had luxury to keep material like this... buried and unreleased.

-/He did not keep it this fuckwad had the whole time.

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You don't seriously assume that Boxill has the original multitrack tapes in his posession, do you?

Obviously he just had digital copies he worked with, not the 2" tape itself – so Prince could've made his own mix and released this material anytime.

Reply #527 posted 04/24/17 8:11am

TheEnglishGent

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

Kinda funny they have a copy of this contract but didn't have the WB contract. hummmm. just saying.

Prince had no problems getting other people to sign contracts/nda's etc. Just didn't fancy them much for himself.

RIP sad
Reply #528 posted 04/24/17 10:21am

leadline

Tocuh Me is one of the most beautiful songs I have heard from him in at least a decade. Stunningly gorgeous song.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #529 posted 04/24/17 11:45am

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

.

I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #530 posted 04/24/17 12:01pm

leadline

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

.

I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.


Wasn't it in one of the recent articles that the estate was present last year when the revisions were being made? The article stated they were present for the recording of the choir. Wish I could find that article to link it, I have read so many in the last few days.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #531 posted 04/24/17 1:34pm

cloveringold85

leadline said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.


Wasn't it in one of the recent articles that the estate was present last year when the revisions were being made? The article stated they were present for the recording of the choir. Wish I could find that article to link it, I have read so many in the last few days.

.

Interesting. I have not read about that one.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #532 posted 04/24/17 9:17pm

Kara

leadline said:

 



cloveringold85 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?  Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence? 


 


The only person without  common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message.  We know Ian's  is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.  


 


 



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I agree, Laura.  Ian had no legal right to release that music.  I don't know why people want to argue about that fact.  It's all history now.


 




Wasn't it in one of the recent articles that the estate was present last year when the revisions were being made? The article stated they were present for the recording of the choir.  Wish I could find that article to link it, I have read so many in the last few days.


A poster in this thread made that claim...

http://prince.org/msg/7/441173?&pg=8
Reply #221 posted 04/19/17 7:41am
TrcikyChristopher

"Unauthorized" in the sense that I'd imagine the Estate wanted to release this but were beaten to the punch by the engineer.
As stated before, a choir member informed me that Estate reps were there last year during recording and watching everyone with a microscope, so my guess is that they at the very least planned to release the title track at some point.
Being that Boxill "finished" the songs by adding the choir and maybe some additional keys, etc. ("Crystal Ball" box set, anyone?) he's counted as a co-writer or producer (in their strictest legal terms) and has some claim to the songs/masters being that Estate was present during at least one of the sessions.
Here's the thing, though - the actual release of the product all hangs on whether or not he had the legal right to do so. The 94 East sessions, which P had a hand in writing and performing on, is a perfect example of that due to them being "studio work" and him not being signed at the time, theoretically barring WB from having any claim to the work and the sessions being "completed" and repackaged ad nauseum over the years.
This seems to be pretty much the same situation. Can't say for sure.
What gets me is - how the Estate reps were present for sessions and then suing due to the release.
Perhaps Ian's deal with the Estate fell through and he released it through RMA, as indie as possible and giving at least a portion of proceeds to the Estate.
Or maybe this was all before the allegedly botched Universal deal...
Think of it this way - somewhere in 2005-2006, MJ was recording in UAE. Apparently had at least a full album of material ready to be released independently but never did. Once MJ passed and Epic took control of some unreleased music, studio/label owner/executive producer in UAE still has his MJ sessions and says "hey, I wanna release this and give money to the kids". The estate (not the family) says "f you, give us the tracks or we'll sue because we just signed a new, posthumous deal with Epic". Theoretically, the UAE dude has some legal claim to the masters since they were under MJ's indie phase.
Add all that into consideration, and the assumption that P didn't have a will, and here we are.
Reply #533 posted 04/25/17 2:28am

MiceElfAgin

If it's true that the estate's reps were present when Boxill recorded the choir, then to me it's just further evidence of how shady Boxill is.

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If a client owes me money for years (as Boxill claims he wasn't paid by Prince for tracking, arranging and mixing this material), I don't go back to the same client to do more work for free – I insist to be paid first before putting even more work hours into the project.
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I'm sure the estate could've afforded to pay the guy for his 2006 work (if Boxill can prove he wasn't paid back then), especially as they considered 'Deliverance' to be so important to have it finished potentially for the first vault release.

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Apparently, instead of pursuing getting his long-overdue payment, Boxill speculated he could make more by putting 'Deliverance' out on his own, behind the estate's back.
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There's no way the estate could've agreed to him claiming co-authorship of the songs and co-ownership of the recordings.

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[Edited 4/25/17 2:30am]

Reply #534 posted 04/25/17 7:26am

udo

MiceElfAgin said:

There's no way the estate could've agreed to him claiming co-authorship of the songs and co-ownership of the recordings.

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Does ownership of the goods transfer when payment is made?

If no: what leverage does said Boxhill have over Prince or his estate?

Does the estate have money to compensate Boxhill?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #535 posted 04/25/17 7:41am

MiceElfAgin

udo said:

MiceElfAgin said:

There's no way the estate could've agreed to him claiming co-authorship of the songs and co-ownership of the recordings.

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Does ownership of the goods transfer when payment is made?

If no: what leverage does said Boxhill have over Prince or his estate?

Does the estate have money to compensate Boxhill?

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What do you mean on "goods"?
Publishing rights? Owndership of the recordings? Licensing rights? Or the USB-stick or hard drive holding copies of the recordings?

Of course it always depends on the agreement between the two parties. If NPG Records has used Boxill's services as a sound engineer or arranger, that is simply 'work for hire', something that's usually paid by the hour or per song, for example. That absolutely does not entitle him to claim co-authorship in the songs or co-ownership of the recordings. Regardless of whether he was paid for his work or not. If he has issued invoices to NPG Records that remain unsettled, he could take the estate to court, if he wants to. Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

Reply #536 posted 04/25/17 8:11am

leecaldon

fortuneandserendipity said:

feeluupp said:

Agreed...

I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...

But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...

This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

Reply #537 posted 04/25/17 8:13am

TheEnglishGent

leecaldon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

I agree with this, even though I personally prefer Planet Earth.

RIP sad
Reply #538 posted 04/25/17 6:56pm

luvsexy4all

TheEnglishGent said:

leecaldon said:

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

I agree with this, even though I personally prefer Planet Earth.

PE is better than 3121.

Reply #539 posted 04/25/17 9:11pm

ludwig

luvsexy4all said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I agree with this, even though I personally prefer Planet Earth.

PE is better than 3121.

No.

Reply #540 posted 04/26/17 2:40am

leadline

ludwig said:

luvsexy4all said:

PE is better than 3121.

No.


Music is subjective, nothing is better than the other unless it specifically relates to your experience.

For me, they are both amazing and both two different beasts that I do not compare against each other. But is just not my place to tell anyone what is better than this or that, given that music, how we hear it, the experiences around, it's place in our lives, and the meaning it conveys, is different for everyone.

Peace




[Edited 4/26/17 2:41am]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #541 posted 04/26/17 5:16am

fortuneandserendipity

peedub said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this confused





it's basically a suite of songs, a la 'scandalous sex suite'...he could've put anybody's name on it he wanted; it's undeniably and satisfyingly a prince production.


You missed my point. It's not based on a lead single. So it's unlikely Prince would have released it in its present form. Name me one EP Prince released that wasn't an extended single/maxi single? hmm



Reply #542 posted 04/26/17 5:24am

fortuneandserendipity

leecaldon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.


That's because a lot of Prince fans have a propensity for funky P music. There's slightly more funk on Musicology than Planet Earth and a lot more funk on 3121. Which supports my point. P fans are not the arbiters of taste you know? They have been known to run down a lot of music that isn't P... in case that had escaped your attention.



Reply #543 posted 04/26/17 5:39am

fortuneandserendipity

laurarichardson said:

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.


There's no saying filing a claim would have achieved anything. In fact, in a court of law what is the prevailing opinion is often the status quo- unless the contrary evidence is overwhelming, thereof beyond reasonable doubt.

So... how does one get paid for music co-worked on but as yet unreleased (esp with other party deceased)? Accusing this Ian Boxhill of not having a lick of sense is just plain rude hmm



Reply #544 posted 04/26/17 6:07am

justAmeda

Telecaster5 said:

I don´t care if it´s unfinished. I deleted the (bad) video the impersonator from my mind. It´s all about the happiness of hearing 'new' music from Prince again. I loved I Am and No One Else is already my favorite.

Thanks to this engineer for this gift (and yes, I agree with some of you that said that Prince could be behind that smile )

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others [?] SWEAT smile
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

[Edited 4/19/17 15:41pm]

This section right here is my fav part in the song! it is so powerfully done and the build up with his voce and the melody and beat just causes chill down my spine ( by the way the word after the question mark you placed to rhyme with Pet is Sweat! Thanks for writing these lyrics to this part in the EP.

Reply #545 posted 04/26/17 6:08am

udo

MiceElfAgin said:

Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

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We do not know (for sure) what effort the engineer has spent to get his bills settled.

But if he got frustrated to a certain degree I can understand.

It is the same as when the state needs you to pay your taxes but you fail to all the time.

Then the state takes whatever it needs.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #546 posted 04/26/17 6:31am

laurarichardson

udo said:

 



MiceElfAgin said:


 


Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

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We do not know (for sure) what effort the engineer has spent to get his bills settled.


But if he got frustrated to a certain degree I can understand.


It is the same as when the state needs you to pay your taxes but you fail to all the time.


Then the state takes whatever it needs.


--I saw no claims from Ian in the court docs.
Reply #547 posted 04/26/17 6:38am

laurarichardson

fortuneandserendipity said:


laurarichardson said:


 


Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill



http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true


 


Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.



 




There's no saying filing a claim would have achieved anything. In fact, in a court of law what is the prevailing opinion is often the status quo- unless the contrary evidence is overwhelming, thereof beyond reasonable doubt.


So... how does one get paid for music co-worked on but as yet unreleased (esp with other party deceased)? Accusing this Ian Boxhill of not having a lick of sense is just plain rude hmm 





 


--He is the one saying he did not get paid for working on the music. The only means for him to be paid for his labor would be by submitting an invoice for services. According to a contract he signed he does not have a ownership on the work or any copyright. He had one avenue to get paid and he did not use it or did not have the evidence to prove he was owed money. I also believe there is a 7 year time limit for claims as well as a cut off the court put into place therefore, he lacks common sense or had legal advice from someone who went to the Tom and Jerry school of law. He is at fault for this and a Federal court shut him down.
Reply #548 posted 04/26/17 6:44am

MiceElfAgin

udo said:

MiceElfAgin said:

Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

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We do not know (for sure) what effort the engineer has spent to get his bills settled.

But if he got frustrated to a certain degree I can understand.

It is the same as when the state needs you to pay your taxes but you fail to all the time.

Then the state takes whatever it needs.

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Being pissed off to a point of wanting to take revenge is one thing. Claiming rights to something you obviously don't have any rights to is another – and mixing the two is ridiculous and can easily backfire, so it's also a very stupid thing to do.


Reply #549 posted 04/26/17 6:57am

fortuneandserendipity

leadline said:

ludwig said:

No.


Music is subjective, nothing is better than the other unless it specifically relates to your experience.

For me, they are both amazing and both two different beasts that I do not compare against each other. But is just not my place to tell anyone what is better than this or that, given that music, how we hear it, the experiences around, it's place in our lives, and the meaning it conveys, is different for everyone.

Peace




[Edited 4/26/17 2:41am]

You're right, Hot Cross Buns is genius. And Best Song Ever by One Direction might just be the best song ever! stoned

Reply #550 posted 04/26/17 3:21pm

paulludvig

fortuneandserendipity said:

leadline said:


Music is subjective, nothing is better than the other unless it specifically relates to your experience.

For me, they are both amazing and both two different beasts that I do not compare against each other. But is just not my place to tell anyone what is better than this or that, given that music, how we hear it, the experiences around, it's place in our lives, and the meaning it conveys, is different for everyone.

Peace




[Edited 4/26/17 2:41am]

You're right, Hot Cross Buns is genius. And Best Song Ever by One Direction might just be the best song ever! stoned

And Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121 stoned

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #551 posted 04/26/17 5:28pm

benni

http://www.rollingstone.c...th-w478780

Really interesting read with the label that was releasing the EP.

Reply #552 posted 04/26/17 6:21pm

luvsexy4all

damn..theres more he has...they need to work it out

Reply #553 posted 04/26/17 7:14pm

Identity

I was elated to hear the EP single on an alternative rock station this morning in L.A. It was an incredible surprise.

[Edited 4/26/17 19:15pm]

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Reply #554 posted 04/26/17 7:27pm

kingricefan

I wonder if the Estate is going to go after the radio stations and ban them from playing the song (as it's really not an official release as of yet) like they have with videos being played on Youtube? This EP is really in a grey area for sure. I bought it and have burned a copy to play in my car and think it is a profoundly beautiful coda (at least for now until more new songs show up) to a wonderful career, a spellbinding legacy of music and a lovely man.

Identity said:

I was elated to hear the EP single on an alternative rock station this morning in L.A. It was an incredible surprise.

[Edited 4/26/17 19:15pm]

Reply #555 posted 04/27/17 11:02pm

toejam

Peach & Black Podcast review: https://peachandblack.pod...ep-review/

Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
Toejam's band "Cheap Fakes": http://cheapfakes.com.au, http://www.facebook.com/cheapfakes
Toejam the solo artist: http://www.youtube.com/scottbignell
Reply #556 posted 04/28/17 6:09am

SerpentineWoman1

angel

Reply #557 posted 04/28/17 8:41am

MMJas

How come the Estate never thought to register this site? Could Prince have registered it ages ago, intending to use it one day?

Reply #558 posted 04/28/17 11:14am

TheEnglishGent

MMJas said:

How come the Estate never thought to register this site? Could Prince have registered it ages ago, intending to use it one day?

I thought I saw womewhere that it was registered but lapsed in March?

RIP sad
Reply #559 posted 04/28/17 4:27pm

fortuneandserendipity

paulludvig said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You're right, Hot Cross Buns is genius. And Best Song Ever by One Direction might just be the best song ever! stoned

And Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121 stoned

Planet Earth has better tunes. I'm fairly sure that non-Prince fans, were they to listen to all three albums, would think the same.



Reply #560 posted 04/29/17 6:28pm

wildsign

Well, you don't visit the org for a couple of weeks and look what you miss. New Prince music that has appeared and disappeared already!! I haven't heard this yet.

Reply #561 posted 05/01/17 12:14am

ilo

Record shop i was in on Friday say they have this on order. Actual record.
Reply #562 posted 05/01/17 12:36am

FragileUndertow

wildsign said:

Well, you don't visit the org for a couple of weeks and look what you miss. New Prince music that has appeared and disappeared already!! I haven't heard this yet.

Just like in the old days lol

Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #563 posted 05/02/17 5:12am

laurarichardson

ilo said:

Record shop i was in on Friday say they have this on order. Actual record.

Well it is going to be on order for a long time. biggrin

Reply #564 posted 05/03/17 5:16am

leecaldon

fortuneandserendipity said:

leecaldon said:

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.


That's because a lot of Prince fans have a propensity for funky P music. There's slightly more funk on Musicology than Planet Earth and a lot more funk on 3121. Which supports my point. P fans are not the arbiters of taste you know? They have been known to run down a lot of music that isn't P... in case that had escaped your attention.



You made a definitive statement that is impossible to back up (music always being subjective). I pointed out that the majority of people who know his music best (the hardcore fans) would disagree with your statement.

And P fans come from all sorts of musical backgrounds. Very dismissive of you to say a lot of Prince fans rate the quality of a Prince album based on the amount of funk on it.

Reply #565 posted 05/03/17 4:42pm

fortuneandserendipity

leecaldon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


That's because a lot of Prince fans have a propensity for funky P music. There's slightly more funk on Musicology than Planet Earth and a lot more funk on 3121. Which supports my point. P fans are not the arbiters of taste you know? They have been known to run down a lot of music that isn't P... in case that had escaped your attention.



You made a definitive statement that is impossible to back up (music always being subjective). I pointed out that the majority of people who know his music best (the hardcore fans) would disagree with your statement.

And P fans come from all sorts of musical backgrounds. Very dismissive of you to say a lot of Prince fans rate the quality of a Prince album based on the amount of funk on it.

It's what I've discerned from perusing these boards since 2000. I don't want to be pedantic but if most musicologists believe Mozart, Bach and Beethoven to be the 3 best classical composers, they're probably right. How subjective of them.


Of course, you can also say like Miles Davis once did, 'there's no best anything'.


I also believe Super Furry Animals and The Boo Radleys are better bands than The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. How subjective of me. To go against the grain and be right tho makes me great! Just great. (I'm only not great when my blood sugar's low and I forget to eat) biggrin Otherwise I'm the best. Have a nice day smile



Reply #566 posted 05/03/17 4:57pm

ForceofNature

fortuneandserendipity said:

leecaldon said:

You made a definitive statement that is impossible to back up (music always being subjective). I pointed out that the majority of people who know his music best (the hardcore fans) would disagree with your statement.

And P fans come from all sorts of musical backgrounds. Very dismissive of you to say a lot of Prince fans rate the quality of a Prince album based on the amount of funk on it.

It's what I've discerned from perusing these boards since 2000. I don't want to be pedantic but if most musicologists believe Mozart, Bach and Beethoven to be the 3 best classical composers, they're probably right. How subjective of them.


Of course, you can also say like Miles Davis once did, 'there's no best anything'.


I also believe Super Furry Animals and The Boo Radleys are better bands than The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. How subjective of me. To go against the grain and be right tho makes me great! Just great. (I'm only not great when my blood sugar's low and I forget to eat) biggrin Otherwise I'm the best. Have a nice day smile



Well technicaly musicologists argue them being not the "best" from an objective point of view, but rather most influencial. Meaning the first ones to do it, the ones to lay out a lot of the template for those who followed. They are not saying they make better music than their contemporaries. If they are doing that, well to be frank they are rather shitty musicologists you picked out lol

Reply #567 posted 05/03/17 9:02pm

udo

Dutch news about the case: http://www.nu.nl/muziek/4...engd-.html

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So they extended the time that boxhill cannot release music.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #568 posted 05/04/17 1:53am

Marrk

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4472360/Prince-s-estate-ordered-pay-1-million-bond.html

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
Reply #569 posted 05/05/17 5:36pm

fortuneandserendipity

ForceofNature said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It's what I've discerned from perusing these boards since 2000. I don't want to be pedantic but if most musicologists believe Mozart, Bach and Beethoven to be the 3 best classical composers, they're probably right. How subjective of them.


Of course, you can also say like Miles Davis once did, 'there's no best anything'.


I also believe Super Furry Animals and The Boo Radleys are better bands than The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. How subjective of me. To go against the grain and be right tho makes me great! Just great. (I'm only not great when my blood sugar's low and I forget to eat) biggrin Otherwise I'm the best. Have a nice day smile



Well technicaly musicologists argue them being not the "best" from an objective point of view, but rather most influencial. Meaning the first ones to do it, the ones to lay out a lot of the template for those who followed. They are not saying they make better music than their contemporaries. If they are doing that, well to be frank they are rather shitty musicologists you picked out lol


I'm not sure about that. 'Best' and 'most influential' can be falsely conflated. When one musicologist referred to Wagner's music in a recent documentary as 'exhibit A', with others in said documentary making the same case, as to whether or not the music was influential became a side issue. It would be fair to say they spent the whole programme debating the artistic quality of his music.

Reply #570 posted 05/05/17 9:02pm

ForceofNature

fortuneandserendipity said:

ForceofNature said:

Well technicaly musicologists argue them being not the "best" from an objective point of view, but rather most influencial. Meaning the first ones to do it, the ones to lay out a lot of the template for those who followed. They are not saying they make better music than their contemporaries. If they are doing that, well to be frank they are rather shitty musicologists you picked out lol


I'm not sure about that. 'Best' and 'most influential' can be falsely conflated. When one musicologist referred to Wagner's music in a recent documentary as 'exhibit A', with others in said documentary making the same case, as to whether or not the music was influential became a side issue. It would be fair to say they spent the whole programme debating the artistic quality of his music.

And the fact that they spend the whole time debating it instead of all agreeing further perpetuates the concept of subjetiveity being the law of the musical land here.

Reply #571 posted 05/09/17 10:33am

fortuneandserendipity

ForceofNature said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


I'm not sure about that. 'Best' and 'most influential' can be falsely conflated. When one musicologist referred to Wagner's music in a recent documentary as 'exhibit A', with others in said documentary making the same case, as to whether or not the music was influential became a side issue. It would be fair to say they spent the whole programme debating the artistic quality of his music.

And the fact that they spend the whole time debating it instead of all agreeing further perpetuates the concept of subjetiveity being the law of the musical land here.


Like I already said, where there is a general consensus formed over a lengthy period you can't ignore what that general opinion says. Music that stands the test of time is revered by musicologists and fans alike. There won't be any One Direction musicologists in one hundred years time. Bach wasn't loftily esteemed in his own time. And, likewise, I would point to a couple of bands from recent times that deserve much greater reverence. I've never bought the 'subjectivity argument' partly because some people - in the absolute minority - dig every genre.

Reply #572 posted 05/23/17 7:54am

BartVanHemelen

http://www.startribune.co...423717653/

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A sound engineer who worked with Prince is barred from publishing or disseminating any unreleased recordings that compromise the late superstar's work.

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George Ian Boxill worked with Prince on five tracks in 2006 and made at least one recording — "Deliverance" — available online last month. Prince's estate and Paisley Park Enterprises sued to block it.

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On Monday, U.S. District Judge Wilhelmina Wright issued a preliminary injunction saying Boxill and independent label RMA can't publish unreleased recordings until the dispute is resolved. They are also barred from using Prince's trademark to sell or promote "Deliverance."

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The lawsuit says Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement that the recordings would remain Prince's property.

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© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #573 posted 05/23/17 9:29am

morningsong

Well if he signed a confidentiality agreement...
“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #574 posted 05/23/17 12:09pm

MiceElfAgin

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.startribune.co...423717653/

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A sound engineer who worked with Prince is barred from publishing or disseminating any unreleased recordings that compromise the late superstar's work.

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George Ian Boxill worked with Prince on five tracks in 2006 and made at least one recording — "Deliverance" — available online last month. Prince's estate and Paisley Park Enterprises sued to block it.

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On Monday, U.S. District Judge Wilhelmina Wright issued a preliminary injunction saying Boxill and independent label RMA can't publish unreleased recordings until the dispute is resolved. They are also barred from using Prince's trademark to sell or promote "Deliverance."

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The lawsuit says Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement that the recordings would remain Prince's property.

.

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Don't know who wrote that last sentence ("Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement that the recordings would remain Prince's property") but it's very sloppy wording to say the least.
A confidentiality agreement is about keeping things confidential. It has nothing to do with ownership or rights to anything. So it would've been a bit more appropriate to say "Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement, and the parties have also agreed that the recordings would remain Prince's sole property."

Reply #575 posted 05/23/17 5:38pm

bilbolives

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on the judge's ruling.

Reply #576 posted 05/23/17 6:36pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

Well if he signed a confidentiality agreement...

In earlier reports it stated that the agreement said he would have no ownership on any project they worked on.

Reply #577 posted 05/23/17 7:24pm

206Michelle

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

Well if he signed a confidentiality agreement...

In earlier reports it stated that the agreement said he would have no ownership on any project they worked on.

Laura, Do you have a link to the earlier reports?

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Reply #578 posted 05/23/17 11:24pm

Laydown

Prince wouldve had agreements with everyone he worked with. Boxill is a fool for thinking he could issue P music without permission from the estate. Hes lucky he doesnt have to pay damages.

Reply #579 posted 05/24/17 4:51am

BartVanHemelen

MiceElfAgin said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.startribune.co...423717653/

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Don't know who wrote that last sentence ("Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement that the recordings would remain Prince's property")

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It's a link. Click it.

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but it's very sloppy wording to say the least.
A confidentiality agreement is about keeping things confidential. It has nothing to do with ownership or rights to anything.

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Except one google search reveals: https://www.thebalance.co...ty-2275250

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A non-disclosure agreement (NDA), sometimes called a confidentiality agreement, allows a company to share its IP with others, whose input it needs, without unduly jeopardizing that information. For example, if you have a new product or feature in development, but you need to consult an expert for advice on how to proceed, an appropriate NDA can ensure that the expert doesn't hand the details of your new product to a competitor of yours.

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A non-disclosure agreement is a legal contract between you and the other party. You agree to disclose certain information to them for a specific purpose. They agree to not disclose that information to anyone else.

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© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #580 posted 05/24/17 5:00am

laurarichardson

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

In earlier reports it stated that the agreement said he would have no ownership on any project they worked on.

Laura, Do you have a link to the earlier reports?

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/hear-unreleased-prince-song-drops-new-music-article-1.3073655

Also Bart is correct an NDA means not disclousing info to anyone other than the parties involved and that would include selling. Ian is an asshat and I was in communication with the owners of the lable as well as the two guys who made the video.

These people are not fans and their whole intent was to profit off of work they did not have the rights to and I actually question were they got the money from to pull this off.

Reply #581 posted 05/24/17 5:10am

MiceElfAgin

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Bart, Bart...

Ever tried not being an ass? You know, maybe just for a day to start with. You might find the experience worth it.
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I didn't click the stupid link because I didn't care who wrote it or whose sentence was quoted by the Star Tribune. That wasn't my point. My point was: REGARDLESS OF who wrote it, it's a stupid sentence.

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And it's funny to see that you don't even understand (or care to read) your own link on NDAs. NDAs have nothing to do with ownership. The purpose of NDAs – as your own link clearly explains it too – is to stop someone sharing information, including information regarding IPs. In the case of Prince and Boxill, it meant that if Boxill only signed an NDA and nothing else, he would have been forbidden to talk about their work and to share information on Prince's songs, for example. An NDA does not rule out the possibility of claiming co-ownership or co-composership of a track. They either had a separate agreement making that point clear too, or it's also possible that Prince didn't feel the need to put that in writing as it is obvious to anyone with a brain that neither a sound engineer nor an arranger would have a valid claim to co-ownership of the recordings or to co-composership of the songs.
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BartVanHemelen said:

MiceElfAgin said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.startribune.co...423717653/

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Don't know who wrote that last sentence ("Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement that the recordings would remain Prince's property")

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It's a link. Click it.

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but it's very sloppy wording to say the least.
A confidentiality agreement is about keeping things confidential. It has nothing to do with ownership or rights to anything.

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Except one google search reveals: https://www.thebalance.co...ty-2275250

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A non-disclosure agreement (NDA), sometimes called a confidentiality agreement, allows a company to share its IP with others, whose input it needs, without unduly jeopardizing that information. For example, if you have a new product or feature in development, but you need to consult an expert for advice on how to proceed, an appropriate NDA can ensure that the expert doesn't hand the details of your new product to a competitor of yours.

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A non-disclosure agreement is a legal contract between you and the other party. You agree to disclose certain information to them for a specific purpose. They agree to not disclose that information to anyone else.

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[Edited 5/24/17 5:29am]

Reply #582 posted 05/24/17 5:31am

BartVanHemelen

MiceElfAgin said:

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Bart, Bart...

Ever tried not being an ass?

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Yes, it is MY fault that you posted a bunch of BS and I exposed it.

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But hey, let's look at a very generic NDA: http://www.ispgroupinc.co...ement.html

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From point 1:

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Confidential Information shall include all data, materials, products, technology, computer programs, specifications, manuals, business plans, software, marketing plans, business plans, financial information, and other information disclosed or submitted, orally, in writing, or by any other media, to Recipient by Owner.

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Go on, explain how this does not include the sound recordings or the songs they co-wrote.

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Perhaps point 2 makes things clearer:

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Recipient agrees that the Confidential Information is to be considered confidential and proprietary to Owner and Recipient shall hold the same in confidence, shall not use the Confidential Information other than for the purposes of its business with Owner, and shall disclose it only to its officers, directors, or employees with a specific need to know. Recipient will not disclose, publish or otherwise reveal any of the Confidential Information received from Owner to any other party whatsoever except with the specific prior written authorization of Owner.

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Oh look, yet more legalese that says that Ian couldn't use anything he did with Prince without permission.

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Who could have known that NDAs aren't just simple "you cannot talk about this" promises? Hint: I've signed NDAs and yes, they usually include things like ownership of code etc.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #583 posted 05/24/17 5:52am

MiceElfAgin

BartVanHemelen said:

MiceElfAgin said:

biggrin
Bart, Bart...
Ever tried not being an ass?

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Yes, it is MY fault that you posted a bunch of BS and I exposed it.

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But hey, let's look at a very generic NDA: http://www.ispgroupinc.co...ement.html

From point 1:

Confidential Information shall include all data, materials, products, technology, computer programs, specifications, manuals, business plans, software, marketing plans, business plans, financial information, and other information disclosed or submitted, orally, in writing, or by any other media, to Recipient by Owner.

Go on, explain how this does not include the sound recordings or the songs they co-wrote.

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Perhaps point 2 makes things clearer:

Recipient agrees that the Confidential Information is to be considered confidential and proprietary to Owner and Recipient shall hold the same in confidence, shall not use the Confidential Information other than for the purposes of its business with Owner, and shall disclose it only to its officers, directors, or employees with a specific need to know. Recipient will not disclose, publish or otherwise reveal any of the Confidential Information received from Owner to any other party whatsoever except with the specific prior written authorization of Owner.

Oh look, yet more legalese that says that Ian couldn't use anything he did with Prince without permission.

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Who could have known that NDAs aren't just simple "you cannot talk about this" promises? Hint: I've signed NDAs and yes, they usually include things like ownership of code etc.

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I'll explain it to you because I'm trying to be a nice guy, even though you and your sickening attitude (ever since the AMP days) clearly don't deserve it.

An average NDA might give you a long list of what is to be considered confidential information, and it can of course include sound recordings and copyrights, but that doesn't necessarily mean that even though you had to sign that NDA, you cannot still be a co-owner of said recording. You can be a co-owner of the recording and you can even own a percentage of the copyright in the composition, and still have to sign an NDA that stops you from sharing information until all parties agree to share it. And even if Prince would've agreed to Boxill releasing something, Boxill would've still be bound by the NDA, so he couldn't talk about how the recording took place, for example, or about Prince's compositional method, or what he was wearing in the studio, or what other compositions were worked on etc, etc.
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(And a hint for you too: I have written and signed plenty of NDAs in my life.)

Reply #584 posted 05/24/17 6:17am

laurarichardson

MiceElfAgin said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Oh look, yet more legalese that says that Ian couldn't use anything he did with Prince without permission.

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Who could have known that NDAs aren't just simple "you cannot talk about this" promises? Hint: I've signed NDAs and yes, they usually include things like ownership of code etc.

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I'll explain it to you because I'm trying to be a nice guy, even though you and your sickening attitude (ever since the AMP days) clearly don't deserve it.

An average NDA might give you a long list of what is to be considered confidential information, and it can of course include sound recordings and copyrights, but that doesn't necessarily mean that even though you had to sign that NDA, you cannot still be a co-owner of said recording. You can be a co-owner of the recording and you can even own a percentage of the copyright in the composition, and still have to sign an NDA that stops you from sharing information until all parties agree to share it. And even if Prince would've agreed to Boxill releasing something, Boxill would've still be bound by the NDA, so he couldn't talk about how the recording took place, for example, or about Prince's compositional method, or what he was wearing in the studio, or what other compositions were worked on etc, etc.
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(And a hint for you too: I have written and signed plenty of NDAs in my life.)

More to this then just an NDA see the article below.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/hear-unreleased-prince-song-drops-new-music-article-1.3073655

In addition, the judge seems to agree so we can assume the estate has the docs to back up what they are saying.

Reply #585 posted 05/24/17 6:26am

MiceElfAgin

laurarichardson said:

MiceElfAgin said:


An average NDA might give you a long list of what is to be considered confidential information, and it can of course include sound recordings and copyrights, but that doesn't necessarily mean that even though you had to sign that NDA, you cannot still be a co-owner of said recording. You can be a co-owner of the recording and you can even own a percentage of the copyright in the composition, and still have to sign an NDA that stops you from sharing information until all parties agree to share it. And even if Prince would've agreed to Boxill releasing something, Boxill would've still be bound by the NDA, so he couldn't talk about how the recording took place, for example, or about Prince's compositional method, or what he was wearing in the studio, or what other compositions were worked on etc, etc.
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More to this then just an NDA see the article below.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/hear-unreleased-prince-song-drops-new-music-article-1.3073655

In addition, the judge seems to agree so we can assume the estate has the docs to back up what they are saying.

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Of course the judge agrees with the estate as Boxill's claims were ridiculous to start with and it's not because he signed an NDA – it's because even if there would be nothing in writing, a hired sound engineer has no rights to the recordings he works on for his client, and similarly: arrangers do not get song-writing credits (unless they are working on a composition that's already in the public domain, but that is obviously not the case here.)

Reply #586 posted 05/24/17 6:34am

laurarichardson

MiceElfAgin said:

laurarichardson said:

More to this then just an NDA see the article below.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/hear-unreleased-prince-song-drops-new-music-article-1.3073655

In addition, the judge seems to agree so we can assume the estate has the docs to back up what they are saying.

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Of course the judge agrees with the estate as Boxill's claims were ridiculous to start with and it's not because he signed an NDA – it's because even if there would be nothing in writing, a hired sound engineer has no rights to the recordings he works on for his client, and similarly: arrangers do not get song-writing credits (unless they are working on a composition that's already in the public domain, but that is obviously not the case here.)

Could also be because he signed an agreement that specifically said he would have no ownership per media reports.

URL: http://new.prince.org/msg/7/441173/Former-Prince-engineer-Ian-Boxill-releases-6-song-Prince-EP-Deliverance

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