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Reply #210 posted 04/19/17 7:11am

rogifan

Ok someone on Twitter said they heard Deliverance on the radio this morning. WTF. Can't the Estate at least prevent that?
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Reply #211 posted 04/19/17 7:13am

richvan29

I was able to purchase the EP via iTunes store. $3.99 release date of Friday and got to download Deliverance immediatly. The song is amazing! I am not sure if Apple will pull the song from me and give me my money back if the lawsuit goes through. But I purchased it legit on iTunes. Very interesting that it would get to the iTunes store with it being in dispute.

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Reply #212 posted 04/19/17 7:20am

dandan

Deliverence sounds exactly like Wow.

I got two sides... and they're both friends.
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Reply #213 posted 04/19/17 7:22am

blacknote

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richvan29 said:

I was able to purchase the EP via iTunes store. $3.99 release date of Friday and got to download Deliverance immediatly. The song is amazing! I am not sure if Apple will pull the song from me and give me my money back if the lawsuit goes through. But I purchased it legit on iTunes. Very interesting that it would get to the iTunes store with it being in dispute.

MAKE AN MP3 COPY, PLACE IT ON YOUR HARD DRIVE, AND BURN IT TO A CD RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!

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Reply #214 posted 04/19/17 7:23am

dodger

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Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

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Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

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Reply #215 posted 04/19/17 7:25am

iZsaZsa

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?


Prince. smile
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Reply #216 posted 04/19/17 7:26am

TheEnglishGent

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dodger said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

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Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

Tamar? Or somone unknown brought in to help finish the track?

RIP sad
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Reply #217 posted 04/19/17 7:28am

dodger

iZsaZsa said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Prince. smile

Hmmm you could be right biggrin

Only listened to it quickly in work, have to try with headphones later...

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Reply #218 posted 04/19/17 7:30am

iZsaZsa

dodger said:



iZsaZsa said:


RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?



Prince. smile

Hmmm you could be right biggrin


Only listened to it quickly in work, have to try with headphones later...


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Reply #219 posted 04/19/17 7:36am

MMJas

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donnyenglish said:

Back to the music. After listening to it a few times, this is brilliant work. It is basically two great songs with Deliverance and the Opera (I Am/Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else). As good as Deliverance is, I like the combined track even more. This EP doesn't take you back to a certain period, which is great because it really sounds like something new that he would have released in the future. People need to step away from the drama of it all. For a brief moment, it feels like he is here through his music and his surprises. The dude that released it ain't getting paid because he will be sued and people are already downloading it for free. The Estate is not Prince and has struggled to cash in and Universal, WB, Spotify, etc. are all also facing hurdles. This is all by his design. As long as the fans get the music that he left for us then it is all good.

Yes. Agree. Listening to these few tracks really made my day/week/month. It's all about the music, in the end.

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Reply #220 posted 04/19/17 7:38am

RaspBerryGirlF
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iZsaZsa said:

dodger said:

Hmmm you could be right biggrin

Only listened to it quickly in work, have to try with headphones later...

nod

Haha yeah on relistening I think you're probably right.

Heavenly wine and roses seems to whisper to me when you smile...
Always cry for love, never cry for pain...
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Reply #221 posted 04/19/17 7:41am

TrcikyChristop
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The estate have filed a lawsuit saying it's an unauthorised release. The video of a FAKE Prince, I mean REALLY!! This was planned and it pisses me off! No integrity whatsoever! This would never have been allowed if Prince was alive, he'd have SHUT IT DOWN!

"Unauthorized" in the sense that I'd imagine the Estate wanted to release this but were beaten to the punch by the engineer.

As stated before, a choir member informed me that Estate reps were there last year during recording and watching everyone with a microscope, so my guess is that they at the very least planned to release the title track at some point.

Being that Boxill "finished" the songs by adding the choir and maybe some additional keys, etc. ("Crystal Ball" box set, anyone?) he's counted as a co-writer or producer (in their strictest legal terms) and has some claim to the songs/masters being that Estate was present during at least one of the sessions.

Here's the thing, though - the actual release of the product all hangs on whether or not he had the legal right to do so. The 94 East sessions, which P had a hand in writing and performing on, is a perfect example of that due to them being "studio work" and him not being signed at the time, theoretically barring WB from having any claim to the work and the sessions being "completed" and repackaged ad nauseum over the years.

This seems to be pretty much the same situation. Can't say for sure.

What gets me is - how the Estate reps were present for sessions and then suing due to the release.

Perhaps Ian's deal with the Estate fell through and he released it through RMA, as indie as possible and giving at least a portion of proceeds to the Estate.

Or maybe this was all before the allegedly botched Universal deal...

Think of it this way - somewhere in 2005-2006, MJ was recording in UAE. Apparently had at least a full album of material ready to be released independently but never did. Once MJ passed and Epic took control of some unreleased music, studio/label owner/executive producer in UAE still has his MJ sessions and says "hey, I wanna release this and give money to the kids". The estate (not the family) says "f you, give us the tracks or we'll sue because we just signed a new, posthumous deal with Epic". Theoretically, the UAE dude has some legal claim to the masters since they were under MJ's indie phase.

Add all that into consideration, and the assumption that P didn't have a will, and here we are.

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Reply #222 posted 04/19/17 7:45am

RODSERLING

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RODSERLING said:

PR Deluxe : WB

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P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK : the estate. These albums exist, it doesn't take 10 years to release them.

It would have been a better idea than to release 4EVER.

Still someone has to release them. The Estate isn't a record company or music distributor. And what is the Estate even? Last year it was Bremar Trust now it's Comerica Bank. They hired the guy from Spotify so hopefully he'll start getting things moving on the music front.

In the hurry of the thing, WB would have been a good choice to distribute P and M tour / BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK. Or the P and M tour. Like what they did with the THIS IS IT soundtrack.

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WB would have loved to benefit from the effect of Prince's death shortly after, with something new. The estate would have earned money too, and the fans would have been happy.

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Now, try to sell BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK to a large audience...

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Reply #223 posted 04/19/17 7:47am

nelcp777

Looking forward to hearing these.

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Reply #224 posted 04/19/17 7:47am

Militant

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This whole thing is crazy, but damn! The songs are great.

Imagine if, in the absence of a will, Prince asked certain people who had copies of things to just put them out there, in exactly this kind of way? The ultimate "fuck you all" to the major label system.

Still tearing shit up from beyond the grave.

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Reply #225 posted 04/19/17 7:51am

djThunderfunk

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dodger said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

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Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.


The Elisa track was also covered by Jonny Lang. Definitely a different song.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #226 posted 04/19/17 7:51am

E319

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Where is everyone managing to hear the whole ep?


You can buy and download the whole thing now at www.princerogersnelson.com

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Reply #227 posted 04/19/17 7:52am

MMJas

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donnyenglish said:

The two best things that have happened since his passing is that Montreux 2013 DVD and Deliverance were released. As a result, no one gets paid and the fans get the music. These are two very high quality releases. The "official" releases have been a weak repackaged set of Prince's movies and a weak repackaged set of Prince's hits and one unreleased song that we already had. The more that I think about it the more that I realize that he designed it this way. He is laughing his ass off in heaven that Universal can't buy the vault. He is laughing his ass off that WB can't fully execute their plan do to conflicting agreements that Prince had with other entities. No streaming service has all of his stuff, by design. Prince created this web of a mess with the thought that it would be very difficult for others to profit from his music. In the end we get his music. We are the beneficiaries of his will. Maybe there is more to the peer to peer distribution idea than we thought. He wants us to manage his vault.

Wouldn't it be funny if people like this guy had an actual authorization for releasing it? Imagine that. I just find that he's taking a big chance with this and the Estate will surely sue his ass. Interesting to see how the whole story will unfold...

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Reply #228 posted 04/19/17 7:56am

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"Unauthorized"…sure, by the people who were NOT left in charge by Prince himself, since he left no will or instructions by all accounts. There's not much indication that those in position of authority have the slightest clue what they're doing when it comes to his music, and clearly don't have control of all the assets or even an inventory of what they do have or what exists in the wild. I do not envy them…it's a difficult position. Imagine trying to reign in and organize the life's work of a person who recorded all over the world with people and groups you don't even know the names of, let alone trying to figure out who will benefit from it all.

When the "authorized" folks get their shit together, I'll gladly purchase from them, too.

These tracks are well worth having. My advice would be to not bother with the FLAC files for 3x more. Or, take a chance and wait until Friday to see if you can get them from iTunes/Amazon for a measley $3.99 instead of getting them from the engineer's site now for $6.99.

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Reply #229 posted 04/19/17 7:56am

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WOW. These sound awesome... in WAV format!

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I had some contact with Ian back in the day during my audio career.

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He worked with a friend of mine, Dave Hampton around this time at Paisley. I spec'ed out some recording gear for them back then.

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Then there's this interview with Ian from last year, where he talks about working with P, and how P had some master tapes destroyed:

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http://www.huffingtonpost...80828.html

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"He even had masters of his songs destroyed that had cursing or too sexual of a topic."

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #230 posted 04/19/17 7:58am

PURPLEIZED3121

man oh man. Floored at these. Above all else..from the horrid news with the search warrants this week...this brings it all back with a huge bang as to what mattered the most...the music.

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Reply #231 posted 04/19/17 7:58am

MMJas

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Militant said:

This whole thing is crazy, but damn! The songs are great.

Imagine if, in the absence of a will, Prince asked certain people who had copies of things to just put them out there, in exactly this kind of way? The ultimate "fuck you all" to the major label system.

Still tearing shit up from beyond the grave.

I just posted something to that effect also! I wouldn't put it past him. We're talking about a guy who gave away albums with a newspaper. Expect the unexpected.

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Reply #232 posted 04/19/17 7:59am

blizzybiz

dodger said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Who do we reckon the female voice on I Am is? Sounds like Hannah to me but that would conflict with the supposed dates of when these were recorded wouldn't it?

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

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Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

It actually sounds like it's his voice sped up

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Reply #233 posted 04/19/17 8:04am

TheEnglishGent

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MMJas said:

Militant said:

This whole thing is crazy, but damn! The songs are great.

Imagine if, in the absence of a will, Prince asked certain people who had copies of things to just put them out there, in exactly this kind of way? The ultimate "fuck you all" to the major label system.

Still tearing shit up from beyond the grave.

I just posted something to that effect also! I wouldn't put it past him. We're talking about a guy who gave away albums with a newspaper. Expect the unexpected.

Prince didn't give them away, the newspaper paid him plenty for that 'give away'.

RIP sad
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Reply #234 posted 04/19/17 8:05am

MMJas

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TheEnglishGent said:

MMJas said:

I just posted something to that effect also! I wouldn't put it past him. We're talking about a guy who gave away albums with a newspaper. Expect the unexpected.

Prince didn't give them away, the newspaper paid him plenty for that 'give away'.

You know what I meant. He did not take the record industry route.

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Reply #235 posted 04/19/17 8:08am

Ingela

rogifan said:

Ok someone on Twitter said they heard Deliverance on the radio this morning. WTF. Can't the Estate at least prevent that?



Why? It's great that it's playing. It's the best thing that Prince has released in years.

It's a beautiful track. It's deliverance. It's telling all of us typing on the internet that it's all good.

That we're free. That we don't need to grieve anymore. It's the best closure we've had so far.

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Reply #236 posted 04/19/17 8:12am

TrcikyChristop
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blizzybiz said:

dodger said:

Yes, if it's from 2006-08 that will rule Hannah out.

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Initially thought it maybe Elisa Fiorillo but then realized it was a different song to her track I Am. And I don't think she was back on the scene till 2009-10.

It actually sounds like it's his voice sped up

Yep... it's his "Camille" voice, a little more sped up and distorted

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Reply #237 posted 04/19/17 8:13am

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Doozer said:

"Unauthorized"…sure, by the people who were NOT left in charge by Prince himself, since he left no will or instructions by all accounts. There's not much indication that those in position of authority have the slightest clue what they're doing when it comes to his music, and clearly don't have control of all the assets or even an inventory of what they do have or what exists in the wild. I do not envy them…it's a difficult position. Imagine trying to reign in and organize the life's work of a person who recorded all over the world with people and groups you don't even know the names of, let alone trying to figure out who will benefit from it all.

When the "authorized" folks get their shit together, I'll gladly purchase from them, too.

These tracks are well worth having. My advice would be to not bother with the FLAC files for 3x more. Or, take a chance and wait until Friday to see if you can get them from iTunes/Amazon for a measley $3.99 instead of getting them from the engineer's site now for $6.99.

This.

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Reply #238 posted 04/19/17 8:15am

NewpowerScarfo

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What's the bet that this release gets blocked?

U called it.

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Reply #239 posted 04/19/17 8:22am

RodeoSchro

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Wow, what a GREAT song!

Second Funkiest White Man in America

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