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Reply #120 posted 04/19/17 12:19am

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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
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Reply #121 posted 04/19/17 12:20am

IstenSzek

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loving the way

I am / Touch Me / Sunrise Sunset / No One Else

all flow into one another.

music

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Reply #122 posted 04/19/17 12:25am

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rogifan said:

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disbelief

https://twitter.com/candy...1413598208

Mathieu Bitton‏ @candyTman

It's unreal. I never thought these would come out. Well I'm sure they will be stopped. This guy is nuts! He added stuff to the tracks too

10:20 PM Β· Apr 18, 2017 from West Hollywood, CA


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Reply #123 posted 04/19/17 12:30am

Kara

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JudasLChrist said:



HatrinaHaterwitz said:


The timing is interesting. hmmm





OK... here's how this looks to me. Guy has some unfinished Prince tracks. Maybe not even that much. He spends a year 'finishing' them. He squeezes the unfinished tracks into an entire 'EP', and then puts them onsale on the date of Prince's death, and it's all half assed.

Very fucked up if you ask me. I ain't buying this shit. This is someone who is truly cashing in. Trying to sell it as "spiritual' too. Fucking gross!


Agreed.
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Reply #124 posted 04/19/17 12:31am

swoonfed

To (not so) briefly weigh in on the "putting his music on Spotify against his wishes" etc etc argument...

P's issue was always "they wasn't in the studio", regarding folks profiting off of his creations.

Who is there left to protect??

Do we not all benefit from allowing his music/performances to reach anyone and everyone from now un.til.the.end of time??

Spotify, Youtube, wherever. Let's see it. Let people hear it.

How many thousands (millions?) of folks have been exposed to live performances, rare tracks, OFFICIAL tracks, that they otherwise never would have been, and have come away in awe.

Isn't that what we want? To spread the word? His message? Let it be known?

People are like, WOW! I never knew!!

Who are we protecting? The estate?? Those that opened up his house and had people parading though, what, nine months after he left us??? Oh, I think they'll do just fine. For better or worse.

They wasn't in the studio.

Let the man's creativity breathe. Finally! Spread the love. The world needs it. The example, if nothing else.

...................

And again, the idea of anyone not named Prince "finishing" tracks, as in writing/arranging/producing withOUT him... oh, man. Has he ever had that arrangement with ANYone?? He'd never allow it. Especially not now. Not there to approve the finished product? No way. None. Ever.

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Reply #125 posted 04/19/17 12:36am

dance4me3121

I'm loving these new songs.Im gonna pretend that prince did all the production on these though.
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Reply #126 posted 04/19/17 12:38am

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blizzybiz said:

bluegangsta said:

At least they exist. lol

Here's the thing. I'm agnostic. I don't believe everything that Prince says about God, Jesus, etc., but I'm acrutely interested in hearing someone like Prince sing about something he is obviously very passionate about. Without that passion I don't think that Prince would be the artist he was.

I'm secure enough in my belief, or lack thereof, to be openminded and listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he is so religious/what drove his beliefs. I just can't understand people who are so closed to anything outside of what they believe.

Absolutely agree.
This was a pretty emotional listen to. The guitar is pretty good and the lyrics are pure spiritual Prince. It was an emotional moment listening to this and then learning about the lawsuit...

Please start getting his music out. Spotify, new releases, videos, the lot. Get him to younger people, some of which have no idea who Prince is. Us fans can only do so much, passing this onto our kids and hoping they will pass him onto their friends too. But this is limited. Get him out there. Let the kids hear real music by real musicians.

I'm grateful for this song. I needed this. It's been a rough month and it's gonna be an even rougher week...

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Reply #127 posted 04/19/17 1:21am

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I can't find it πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™

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Reply #128 posted 04/19/17 1:24am

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Paisley Park, Prince Estate File Lawsuit Against Sound Engineer Holding Unpublished Tracks

http://kstp.com/news/prince-estate-lawsuit-engineer-unpublished-tracks/4457793/

Paisley Park and Prince's estate are teaming up in a federal lawsuit against sound engineer and mixer George Ian Boxill who is holding unpublished Prince tracks and threatening to release them, according to court documents.

The lawsuit alleges Boxill is in possession of five unpublished Prince tracks recorded in 2006, including one titled, "Deliverance." The federal lawsuit claims the recordings in controversy amount to a value greater than $75,000.

MORE: Prince One Year Later

The filing states Boxill "is now trying to exploit one or more songs for his personal gain at expense of the Prince Estate."

Boxill is refusing to return the tracks, which Prince's estate managed by Comerica Bank & Trust and Paisley Park Enterprises argues is rightfully theirs and violates a contract Boxill made with Prince.

RELATED: Why the Prince D...ht Drag On

The lawsuit was initially filed in district court Friday; but it was re-filed in federal court Tuesday, since Boxill lives in California. The state suit filed in Carver County was thus withdrawn.

The state lawsuit details the following:

* The lawsuit states Boxill signed a confidentiality agreement, which stated that all recordings he worked on with the pop star "would remain Prince's sole and exclusive property."

* The agreement also stated Boxill "would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever," and "he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request."

* However, Boxill will not return the masters or recordings, and he has shared the tracks with third parties, which all violate his contract, according to the lawsuit.

* The confidentiality agreement echoes Prince's concern for privacy. There was a clause in the contract that states Boxill has "no right to give interviews or write books, articles, etc."

The estate and Paisley Park claim a release of the so-called "Prince Recordings," would hurt its interests "permanently and irreparably." It would hurt business relationships , but more importantly, "it deprives Prince (and now the Estate) from choosing what is released to the public and when," the suit states.

The suit asks for Boxill and any associates working on this to return the Prince Recordings and refrain from using anything Boxill obtained with his sessions with Prince. The estate and Paisley Park said it would like "any and all masters, copies and reproductions" returned. The state lawsuit sought civil liability for theft.

KSTP reached Boxill by phone on Tuesday, but he said he was out of the country and would have to call back later.

[Edited 4/19/17 1:25am]

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Reply #129 posted 04/19/17 1:31am

swoonfed

Holy moly. eek

Stunned by not in the least surprised. I KNEW the situation sounded off.

Not that I have much confidence in them, but kind of a relief to know The Estate isn't having random clowns inserting themselves into his work, giving themselves co-writing/co-producing credits, claiming to be Lennon to his McCartney (or vice versa).

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Reply #130 posted 04/19/17 1:32am

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I buyed it. It is more or less 15 minutes of music.

What to say: he is Prince, it is nice to hear he again. Hello Prince.

This is a "dirty" release, but it is a release.

The songs are all good, "Sunrise Sunset / No One Else" is more a single song than two. Very interesting one. Deliverance is a solid good tune. I Am can remember PFunk or something similar.

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Reply #131 posted 04/19/17 1:54am

ilo

They just played a snippet on 6music.
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Reply #132 posted 04/19/17 1:56am

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ilo said:

They just played a snippet on 6music.


of course they did. if warners don't get their foot out of their ass and release at least
a tracklist for the PR Deluxe or better yet a single, this EP is all that will be mentioned
in write ups for friday.

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Reply #133 posted 04/19/17 2:08am

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purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.



As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.



BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..



Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.






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Er, when did Prince want his music to be public domain? lol Didn't he sue someone for using one of his songs in an Instagram video of their little kid dancing?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever πŸ’œ
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Reply #134 posted 04/19/17 2:14am

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TrivialPursuit said:

The EP has leaked, all songs. This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money. Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.


Well I ripped it from Apple Music (in case it was take down) so I think if I load the ripped version on to my phone and listen to that vs. via Apple Music nobody is making money off my plays.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever πŸ’œ
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Reply #135 posted 04/19/17 2:14am

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absolutely adore this song...hearing his voice and screams on new material makes me miss him even more. We gotta celebrate...

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'This is not religion but common sense
It's time 4 U 2 get down, get down, get off the fence
No son should die, no mother should cry
All n favor, say aye (aye)'

...

prince heart

[Edited 4/19/17 2:22am]

'cause you got to know...how I feel about you babe
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Reply #136 posted 04/19/17 2:22am

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scratch said:

I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late.

Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements.

I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever πŸ’œ
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Reply #137 posted 04/19/17 2:26am

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rogifan said:

scratch said:
I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late. Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements. I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?
Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.

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Reply #138 posted 04/19/17 2:33am

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rogifan said:

scratch said:

I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late.

Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements.

I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

In my opinion, Prince's unreleased songs are historical documents that should be left just as he left them. That's how I want to hear them. No finishing compositions, adding stuff, etc. Art shouldn't be altered in that way.
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Reply #139 posted 04/19/17 2:36am

E319

I bought the whole EP off the www.princerogersnelson.com website.



While it is very short, I thought it was pretty awesome, much better than what I was expecting and well worth the $6.99 price to get it today (and I was worried that the EP might not be available for long).


"Deliverance" is a solid track but it's actually my least favorite.


"I AM" is a great, rockin' tune that I assume has 3rd Eye Girl on it. Religious lyrics which I personally love.

My favorite part of the EP is "Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else." They are listed as 3 seperate songs but they are all short and seem to flow into one another effortlessly so that they almost sound like one entire song. In fact, the end of "No One Else" has a reprise of "Touch Me" but from the sound of it, I'm not sure if that's the way Prince intended it or whether it was just edited that way by the person who put the EP together. Whatever the case may be, it works and the 3 tracks are excellent.... For reference, these songs sound similar in style to "I Will."


Personally, I had no qualms buying the EP... As far as the quality of the songs and music, I feel it's a definite buy for any hardcore Prince fan. With the possible exception of "Deliverance," all the other songs sound like 100% Prince to my ears. And it is absolutely crazy that the first significant batch of unreleased Prince songs have come out in this fashion.

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Black day, stormy night/No love, no hope in sight...
Don't cry, he is coming/Don't die, without knowing...
The Cross.
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Reply #140 posted 04/19/17 2:40am

3stori3s

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.

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Reply #141 posted 04/19/17 2:44am

dustoff

Good stuff, even if the release seems a bit sketchy. Sounds like what I wished ThirdEyeGirl would've sounded like.

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Reply #142 posted 04/19/17 2:44am

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Regardless of finishing off etc, hasn't the estate had more than enough time to prepare at least one release? They okayed the latest hits package. A release of Black is the New Black, what he was working on at the time would be the logical choice.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
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Reply #143 posted 04/19/17 2:45am

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E319 said:

I bought the whole EP off the www.princerogersnelson.com website.



While it is very short, I thought it was pretty awesome, much better than what I was expecting and well worth the $6.99 price to get it today (and I was worried that the EP might not be available for long).


"Deliverance" is a solid track but it's actually my least favorite.


"I AM" is a great, rockin' tune that I assume has 3rd Eye Girl on it. Religious lyrics which I personally love.

My favorite part of the EP is "Touch Me/Sunrise Sunset/No One Else." They are listed as 3 seperate songs but they are all short and seem to flow into one another effortlessly so that they almost sound like one entire song. In fact, the end of "No One Else" has a reprise of "Touch Me" but from the sound of it, I'm not sure if that's the way Prince intended it or whether it was just edited that way by the person who put the EP together. Whatever the case may be, it works and the 3 tracks are excellent.... For reference, these songs are on the "I Will" tip.


Personally, I had no qualms buying the EP... As far as the quality of the songs and music, I feel it's a definite buy for any hardcore Prince fan. With the possible exception of "Deliverance," all the other songs sound like 100% Prince to my ears. And it is absolutely crazy that the first significant batch of unreleased Prince songs have come out in this fashion.

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Agree.

That sequence is also my favourite, although I really like Deliverance. No One Else is pure gold.

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Reply #144 posted 04/19/17 2:58am

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Enjoying the extended version of "I Am" the most so far.

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Reply #145 posted 04/19/17 3:03am

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Rolling Stone magazine is even saying this is coming out on Friday. http://www.rollingstone.c...ce-w477578

Everybody's looking 4 the ladder...."A record deal is a contractual agreement that may or may not help you build an audience. If a band has one hit, they had an experience, not a career."-Dez Dickerson
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Reply #146 posted 04/19/17 3:12am

RODSERLING

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

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Reply #147 posted 04/19/17 3:16am

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That video cheeps me out.
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Reply #148 posted 04/19/17 3:17am

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3stori3s said:

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.



well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #149 posted 04/19/17 3:22am

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having said that, though, i'm hoping that with all this drama going on
someone will manage to slip wally in under the radar biggrin

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