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Reply #120 posted 04/20/17 11:54am

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iZsaZsa said:

rogifan said:
So his penis was brave and strong?
lol


Wave your flags! biggrin

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Reply #121 posted 04/20/17 11:58am

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StopIt said:

Aside from his brilliant talents, he was absolutely a supreme bullshit artist.

He could have driven straight through the many nasty challenges life threw at him, but he did not choose to do that.

Sucks. `



I think you just crossed the line, and not in the good direction, pal.
Abusing of your freedom of speech can result in a rightfully strong suspicion of absolute, supreme bullshitism.

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Reply #122 posted 04/20/17 12:00pm

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PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

bobsteezy said:

Y'all do know "Peter" is a name for a penis, right? I believe the correct translation here is an erection.

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.


I'll burn a candle to that.

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Reply #123 posted 04/20/17 12:26pm

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bonatoc said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.


I'll burn a candle to that.

thanks! cool cake
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Reply #124 posted 04/20/17 1:47pm

Todd968

Prince was likely feeling like he lived in conflict. So, yes, guilt would go along with the hypocrisy. There is enough information out there to support the fact that he did live a clean life. He ate healthy. He didn't have illegitimate children. He didn't have scandal around him or a reputation as a person living on the edge. He openly wore Christianity on his sleeve. In his later years, he had become one of the respected elders in the music industry.

But, he had a vice. An addiction. Everything else we know about him leads me to believe he didn't pop pills for their recreational thrill (there have been no stories of women or friends sharing pills with Prince) but more for dealing with chronic pain. He was self medicating, using questionable means and methods of attaining opiates. He probably ignored advice to go to rehab for years, until that fateful flight home from Atlanta, which seemed to convince him. Hence, the plan to get private help.

Genius, though he was, Prince did not always make the best decisions in life. This one cost him his. He let the priorities of Prince, the icon, outweigh the priorities of Prince the human being. Even after the huge wake up call (the Atlanta flight) he decided to leave the hospital and go home because there wasn't a private room available? Then, not immediately go get treatment when he did return home? Instead, continue self-administering opiates to the point by Wednesday night , three strikes, he's dead?

Fame is a killer. Ask MJ, Whitney, Whinehouse, Elvis, etc. etc. Prince was just better at hiding his dark side of fame than a lot of the rest of them. That doesn't mean it didn't exist.

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Reply #125 posted 04/20/17 2:35pm

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PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

bobsteezy said:

Y'all do know "Peter" is a name for a penis, right? I believe the correct translation here is an erection.

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.

This made me cry so hard...I cant stop..

Prince...the gift that keeps on giving...

Tears go here

Prince Lives by ANTIFAN-REAL

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #126 posted 04/20/17 3:04pm

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It's just like Owen Husney said on Reelz.
You're taken slowly away, with you not even noticing it.

I never thought Prince would be repaid
for all of his discipline and generosity
like God repaid him.
Yeah, I know, blasphemy.

Prince freed our bodies and souls, and then he accepted Boy Gregory's short existence the way he could, and it's not Larry's fault that he was around and Prince was in need. It happened that way. Prince may have made his peace with God (and that is brave and strong beyond my imagination), but I'm still mad at the motherfucker. I mean God, of course.

I mean Jesus, at least with a friend around.
Just this.
A gentle hand and a smiling face to tell him it's going to be alright no matter what.
A warm hand to hold, when the world gets cold.
Go with a smile.

In a shade of Clouds, through the Storm, SKipper still kept a sharp view.
He showed us only the good, gentle, fun side of him,
and to this day we know nothing about the pain,
and never will, that he experienced.
He did it until the strain got over.

Christopher, you dumbass.
Of course you were brave and strong.
A HardRocker in a Spooky Place, a.k.a. The World.

God is not to be forgiven, He gives us so much already.
Is that the lesson?
The years that came after Prince and Mayte's s son death,
I tried to always take the incident out of the equation, to stay with you,
but it always stayed with me. I always wondered.
How can you not go insane with rage, despair,
after being such a disciplined man?
Prince wasn't perfect, he did hurt friends and lovers like we all do, that's all.
Your Average Joe.

And if so, is that how America repays him?
Let's try to be pragmatic and judge all of it by the system that allowed for this to happen.
Let's take cosmic forces out of the equation.
Hard for me because Prince is some kind of a pillar ( biggrin ) of my Christian faith, but let's try.

China pays more attention to Prince. Praise them.
America, where hast thou gone?
DAMN.

Heck, I'd hack every single pharmaceutical lab that still produces that shit.
It's like they built a road for you to drive on, but they built no red lights, and at night you can't see shit because they forgot the pillars.
I ain't gonna wait 4 no legislation, people dear to some are losing themselves as we write.
We do not forget, do not forgive, etc.


[Edited 4/20/17 15:34pm]

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Reply #127 posted 04/20/17 3:05pm

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Lovejunky said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.

This made me cry so hard...I cant stop..

Prince...the gift that keeps on giving...

Tears go here

Prince Lives by ANTIFAN-REAL

Africa, Cap'n Crunch, Norma Jean, Sex and Cheerio's
Play my record double speed, feel the climax fit 4 a king
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Reply #128 posted 04/20/17 3:43pm

rednblue

bonatoc said:

It's just like Owen Husney said on Reelz.
You're taken slowly away, with you not even noticing it.

I never thought Prince would be repaid
for all of his discipline and generosity
like God repaid him.
Yeah, I know, blasphemy.

Prince freed our bodies and souls, and then he accepted Boy Gregory's short existence the way he could, and it's not Larry's fault that he was around and Prince was in need. It happened that way. Prince may have made his peace with God (and that is brave and strong beyond my imagination), but I'm still mad at the motherfucker. I mean God, of course.

I mean Jesus, at least with a friend around.
Just this.
A gentle hand and a smiling face to tell him it's going to be alright no matter what.
A warm hand to hold, when the world gets cold.
Go with a smile.

In a shade of Clouds, through the Storm, SKipper still kept a sharp view.
He showed us only the good, gentle, fun side of him,
and to this day we know nothing about the pain,
and never will, that he experienced.
He did it until the strain got over.

Christopher, you dumbass.
Of course you were brave and strong.
A HardRocker in a Spooky Place, a.k.a. The World.

God is not to be forgiven, He gives us so much already.
Is that the lesson?
The years that came after Prince and Mayte's s son death,
I tried to always take the incident out of the equation, to stay with you,
but it always stayed with me. I always wondered.
How can you not go insane with rage, despair,
after being such a disciplined man?
Prince wasn't perfect, he did hurt friends and lovers like we all do, that's all.
Your Average Joe.

And if so, is that how America repays him?
Let's try to be pragmatic and judge all of it by the system that allowed for this to happen.
Let's take cosmic forces out of the equation.
Hard for me because Prince is some kind of a pillar ( biggrin ) of my Christian faith, but let's try.

China pays more attention to Prince. Praise them.
America, where hast thou gone?
DAMN.

Heck, I'd hack every single pharmaceutical lab that still produces that shit.
It's like they built a road for you to drive on, but they built no red lights, and at night you can't see shit because they forgot the pillars.
I ain't gonna wait 4 no legislation, people dear to some are losing themselves as we write.
We do not forget, do not forgive, etc.


[Edited 4/20/17 15:34pm]


This is a moving post. It resonates a lot.

One thing: I come from the (U.S. part of North) America, of all places.

Music is music. A place is a place.

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Reply #129 posted 04/20/17 3:52pm

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Todd968 said:

Prince was likely feeling like he lived in conflict. So, yes, guilt would go along with the hypocrisy. There is enough information out there to support the fact that he did live a clean life. He ate healthy. He didn't have illegitimate children. He didn't have scandal around him or a reputation as a person living on the edge. He openly wore Christianity on his sleeve. In his later years, he had become one of the respected elders in the music industry.

But, he had a vice. An addiction. Everything else we know about him leads me to believe he didn't pop pills for their recreational thrill (there have been no stories of women or friends sharing pills with Prince) but more for dealing with chronic pain. He was self medicating, using questionable means and methods of attaining opiates. He probably ignored advice to go to rehab for years, until that fateful flight home from Atlanta, which seemed to convince him. Hence, the plan to get private help.

Genius, though he was, Prince did not always make the best decisions in life. This one cost him his. He let the priorities of Prince, the icon, outweigh the priorities of Prince the human being. Even after the huge wake up call (the Atlanta flight) he decided to leave the hospital and go home because there wasn't a private room available? Then, not immediately go get treatment when he did return home? Instead, continue self-administering opiates to the point by Wednesday night , three strikes, he's dead?

Fame is a killer. Ask MJ, Whitney, Whinehouse, Elvis, etc. etc. Prince was just better at hiding his dark side of fame than a lot of the rest of them. That doesn't mean it didn't exist.

I don't think this was a "dark side of fame" as much as it was a fatal mistake. People screw up when they take their meds all the time. The only thing fame and money would have given him, is access to doctors who sell blank scrip pads and people who used their name to get him meds, however we all know someone who has really good painkillers kicking around.

Even something like a toothache has led people to full blown drug addiction...

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Reply #130 posted 04/20/17 3:54pm

FlyOnTheWall

bonatoc said:

It's just like Owen Husney said on Reelz.
You're taken slowly away, with you not even noticing it.

I never thought Prince would be repaid
for all of his discipline and generosity
like God repaid him.
Yeah, I know, blasphemy.

Prince freed our bodies and souls, and then he accepted Boy Gregory's short existence the way he could, and it's not Larry's fault that he was around and Prince was in need. It happened that way. Prince may have made his peace with God (and that is brave and strong beyond my imagination), but I'm still mad at the motherfucker. I mean God, of course.

I mean Jesus, at least with a friend around.
Just this.
A gentle hand and a smiling face to tell him it's going to be alright no matter what.
A warm hand to hold, when the world gets cold.
Go with a smile.

In a shade of Clouds, through the Storm, SKipper still kept a sharp view.
He showed us only the good, gentle, fun side of him,
and to this day we know nothing about the pain,
and never will, that he experienced.
He did it until the strain got over.

Christopher, you dumbass.
Of course you were brave and strong.
A HardRocker in a Spooky Place, a.k.a. The World.

God is not to be forgiven, He gives us so much already.
Is that the lesson?
The years that came after Prince and Mayte's s son death,
I tried to always take the incident out of the equation, to stay with you,
but it always stayed with me. I always wondered.
How can you not go insane with rage, despair,
after being such a disciplined man?
Prince wasn't perfect, he did hurt friends and lovers like we all do, that's all.
Your Average Joe.

And if so, is that how America repays him?
Let's try to be pragmatic and judge all of it by the system that allowed for this to happen.
Let's take cosmic forces out of the equation.
Hard for me because Prince is some kind of a pillar ( biggrin ) of my Christian faith, but let's try.

China pays more attention to Prince. Praise them.
America, where hast thou gone?
DAMN.

Heck, I'd hack every single pharmaceutical lab that still produces that shit.
It's like they built a road for you to drive on, but they built no red lights, and at night you can't see shit because they forgot the pillars.
I ain't gonna wait 4 no legislation, people dear to some are losing themselves as we write.
We do not forget, do not forgive, etc.


[Edited 4/20/17 15:34pm]

Wow. Thank you. heart Your words are profound, especially this part of that last stanza:

It's like they built a road for you to drive on, but they built no red lights, and at night you can't see shit because they forgot the pillars.

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Reply #131 posted 04/20/17 4:35pm

angel22

Superfan1984 said:

But one thing that has me really confused- If there were, indeed, pills "all over Paisley Park," then, why was he seen outside Walgreens, supposedly feigning for his prescription? Why be so desperate for that prescription to be filled if there were pills all over Paisley Park? Kind of makes it look like all those pills all over PP were staged and that maybe something untoward did happen to him.

I had the same thought already......

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Reply #132 posted 04/20/17 4:57pm

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rednblue said:

This is a moving post. It resonates a lot.


One thing: I come from the (U.S. part of North) America, of all places.

Music is music. A place is a place.


Sorry. I forget the concept is abstract to me.
I was born in a country, raised in another one, grew up in a third.
I guess I love all countries equally, I understand it can sound silly and naive.
Consider it like a rant against my own country, I know it well enough to open my big mouth, yet I know the U.S.A. are way more complex than just Corporate World. If I were an America citizen, I would go mad at this Fentanyl scandal.
It's sad enough Prince is gone, but to know America is going through passive, silent murders o...roportions, marches on Washington come to mind yet I don't see them happening.
And I'm leaving Prince's accident out of the equation saying this.
It's hard when you've always looked up at America showing the way of justice, when you grew up.
But then greed does that. America may be strong, but...

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Reply #133 posted 04/20/17 5:01pm

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especially this part of that last stanza:

It's like they built a road for you to drive on, but they built no red lights, and at night you can't see shit because they forgot the pillars.


Of course I meant this. Darn English language!

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Reply #134 posted 04/20/17 5:04pm

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angel22 said:

Superfan1984 said:

But one thing that has me really confused- If there were, indeed, pills "all over Paisley Park," then, why was he seen outside Walgreens, supposedly feigning for his prescription? Why be so desperate for that prescription to be filled if there were pills all over Paisley Park? Kind of makes it look like all those pills all over PP were staged and that maybe something untoward did happen to him.

I had the same thought already......


Were they all the same kind ? Could it be that a specific one or brand/type (some degree of Placebo effect can be tied to a drug's name, you think it cures better because the name speaks to you more) was the only one who could give him true relief (or escape)?

But I understand the paranoid point of view. I prefer not to think about it.
I'm already mad enough, about it all.

[Edited 4/20/17 17:05pm]

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Reply #135 posted 04/20/17 6:01pm

rednblue

bonatoc said:

rednblue said:

This is a moving post. It resonates a lot.


One thing: I come from the (U.S. part of North) America, of all places.

Music is music. A place is a place.


Sorry. I forget the concept is abstract to me.
I was born in a country, raised in another one, grew up in a third.
I guess I love all countries equally, I understand it can sound silly and naive.
Consider it like a rant against my own country, I know it well enough to open my big mouth, yet I know the U.S.A. are way more complex than just Corporate World. If I were an America citizen, I would go mad at this Fentanyl scandal.
It's sad enough Prince is gone, but to know America is going through passive, silent murders o...roportions, marches on Washington come to mind yet I don't see them happening.
And I'm leaving Prince's accident out of the equation saying this.
It's hard when you've always looked up at America showing the way of justice, when you grew up.
But then greed does that. America may be strong, but...


Thank you again for your response and your moving words.

I'm probably like a lot of people. I love my country, and I also get angry and enraged a lot. I protest, sometimes in the streets. I'm deeply grateful that I am free to do that here. I'm deeply disturbed at some of the wrongs. These include the way my country has used its influence in other places to quash protest, and to deal with people in the most cruel and inhuman ways.

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Reply #136 posted 04/20/17 6:29pm

luvsexy4all

Lovejunky said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.

This made me cry so hard...I cant stop..

Prince...the gift that keeps on giving...

Tears go here

Prince Lives by ANTIFAN-REAL

would make a great t-shirt

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Reply #137 posted 04/20/17 6:29pm

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luvsexy4all said:

Lovejunky said:

This made me cry so hard...I cant stop..

Prince...the gift that keeps on giving...

Tears go here

Prince Lives by ANTIFAN-REAL

would make a great t-shirt



I have loved that since I saw it.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
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Reply #138 posted 04/20/17 8:15pm

funksterr

Meh... I guess in time more will be known about Prince's health issues: As it stands it appears his game of chicken has resulted in his own death. I hope he didn't think he was being brave and strong by continually releasing music and touring when he was in such poor health. I was mad as hell at him for putting his life at risk around the time he released Extraloveable Reloaded, and one of the things said low-key was that he worked to feed his extended family. neutral Who am I to judge? Were it me though, them nikkas woulda been cahier's at Walmart or some shit before I drive my body right in the ground trying to pay they bills.

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Reply #139 posted 04/20/17 10:19pm

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Lovejunky said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.

This made me cry so hard...I cant stop..

Prince...the gift that keeps on giving...

Tears go here

Prince Lives by ANTIFAN-REAL

where is this picture from?

i saw prince in a dream last month, on the full moon day. a group of us purple enthusiasts had gathered at some kind of retreat in the "mountains". we were milling about, waiting for a concert to begin, and in rolls prince, riding a giant unicycle, all silver. the way it moved was like one of those ezekiel wheels. he was having fun wheeling amongst us, making us laugh with delight. a new kind of concert, yet i think these have been going on 4ever, long before the past 40 years of concerts down here on earth.

so many seemingly vain prince things could be deeply symbolic. the beautiful clothes represent good deeds. the beautiful women represent faithful souls. prince sang some about sacrificial themes. i'm hoping this outcome will at least somehow become a homeopathic monkeywrench in the world system

feelin like i should be vigilant 2nite. like a year ago was a gethsemane that i slept thru.

flowing through the veins of the tree of life...purplemaplesyrup
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Reply #140 posted 04/21/17 1:22am

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PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

Lovejunky said:

This made me cry so hard...I cant stop..

Prince...the gift that keeps on giving...

Tears go here

Prince Lives by ANTIFAN-REAL

where is this picture from?

i saw prince in a dream last month, on the full moon day. a group of us purple enthusiasts had gathered at some kind of retreat in the "mountains". we were milling about, waiting for a concert to begin, and in rolls prince, riding a giant unicycle, all silver. the way it moved was like one of those ezekiel wheels. he was having fun wheeling amongst us, making us laugh with delight. a new kind of concert, yet i think these have been going on 4ever, long before the past 40 years of concerts down here on earth.

so many seemingly vain prince things could be deeply symbolic. the beautiful clothes represent good deeds. the beautiful women represent faithful souls. prince sang some about sacrificial themes. i'm hoping this outcome will at least somehow become a homeopathic monkeywrench in the world system

feelin like i should be vigilant 2nite. like a year ago was a gethsemane that i slept thru.

I should have credited The Artist ~His Name is Fernando salgado and I found him at DeviantArt

It seems like a lot of us are having Simialr Dreams

and Great way of Putting it

homeopathic monkeywrench in the world system


“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #141 posted 04/21/17 5:02am

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Lovejunky said:

I should have credited The Artist ~His Name is Fernando salgado and I found him at DeviantArt


thanks! i will look him up cool

flowing through the veins of the tree of life...purplemaplesyrup
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Reply #142 posted 04/21/17 7:41am

traceyp23

I really hope that I am not judged as harshly as Prince when I am trying my very best on my very worst day. He was trying. He was doing his very best. Clearly hindsight is 20/20 and we all can see now all of the ways that he went wrong. But does anybody really think that this was the outcome that he was shooting for? Do we not think that, if he knew that this is where everything would end up, he would have done so many things differently?

Without knowing all of the facts, it would appear to me that he began using medication for a legitimate medical reason. Logically, that led to a physical dependance. I don't understand how that can be construed as a character flaw of some kind. It's simply what happens. From there, it seems like it spiraled into an addiction that he couldn't get under control. But from what we have read, he was tying to get his hands around it. He was going through withdrawals. He may have been involved in reaching out to a treatment program. He clearly knew that there was a problem. He was trying to fix it.

No judgement here. He was human. And he is loved and missed beyond measure.

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Reply #143 posted 04/21/17 8:28am

paulludvig

funksterr said:

Meh... I guess in time more will be known about Prince's health issues: As it stands it appears his game of chicken has resulted in his own death. I hope he didn't think he was being brave and strong by continually releasing music and touring when he was in such poor health. I was mad as hell at him for putting his life at risk around the time he released Extraloveable Reloaded, and one of the things said low-key was that he worked to feed his extended family. neutral Who am I to judge? Were it me though, them nikkas woulda been cahier's at Walmart or some shit before I drive my body right in the ground trying to pay they bills.



In what way did he put his life at risk around the time he released Extraloveable?
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #144 posted 04/21/17 3:07pm

angel22

Todd968 said:

Prince was likely feeling like he lived in conflict. So, yes, guilt would go along with the hypocrisy. There is enough information out there to support the fact that he did live a clean life. He ate healthy. He didn't have illegitimate children. He didn't have scandal around him or a reputation as a person living on the edge. He openly wore Christianity on his sleeve. In his later years, he had become one of the respected elders in the music industry.

But, he had a vice. An addiction. Everything else we know about him leads me to believe he didn't pop pills for their recreational thrill (there have been no stories of women or friends sharing pills with Prince) but more for dealing with chronic pain. He was self medicating, using questionable means and methods of attaining opiates. He probably ignored advice to go to rehab for years, until that fateful flight home from Atlanta, which seemed to convince him. Hence, the plan to get private help.

Genius, though he was, Prince did not always make the best decisions in life. This one cost him his. He let the priorities of Prince, the icon, outweigh the priorities of Prince the human being. Even after the huge wake up call (the Atlanta flight) he decided to leave the hospital and go home because there wasn't a private room available? Then, not immediately go get treatment when he did return home? Instead, continue self-administering opiates to the point by Wednesday night , three strikes, he's dead?

Fame is a killer. Ask MJ, Whitney, Whinehouse, Elvis, etc. etc. Prince was just better at hiding his dark side of fame than a lot of the rest of them. That doesn't mean it didn't exist.

I think, that if you are addicted, really addicted, you can no longer see clearly anymore what is best for you and make clear decisions for yourself. And another problem I see, that was his so called inner circle. Everybody was in denial of the real situation and/or played along with it. If he didnt have all those enablers around him, he might have been saved. He should have gotten proper treatment in a specialized clinic. Not strange withdrawals at home under no supervision of a trained doctor. What strikes me as well, is, that this man was in a critcal condition and was left all alone by himself. I believe his death could have been avoided with the right people around him. Had it been, people were at least checking on him, but there was noone around. And lets not forget, what killed him in the end, were those mysterious deadly pills, which contained so much poison that it could have killed several men. Had it been, it were "only" normal painkillers, he would still be alive.

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Reply #145 posted 04/21/17 3:28pm

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I really hope that I am not judged as harshly as Prince when I am trying my very best on my very worst day. He was trying. He was doing his very best. Clearly hindsight is 20/20 and we all can see now all of the ways that he went wrong. But does anybody really think that this was the outcome that he was shooting for? Do we not think that, if he knew that this is where everything would end up, he would have done so many things differently?

Without knowing all of the facts, it would appear to me that he began using medication for a legitimate medical reason. Logically, that led to a physical dependance. I don't understand how that can be construed as a character flaw of some kind. It's simply what happens. From there, it seems like it spiraled into an addiction that he couldn't get under control. But from what we have read, he was tying to get his hands around it. He was going through withdrawals. He may have been involved in reaching out to a treatment program. He clearly knew that there was a problem. He was trying to fix it.

No judgement here. He was human. And he is loved and missed beyond measure.

yes. He obviously felt this planet is priceless and loved being alive and helping improve peoples' lives.

On the other hand, more than a few of his lyrics seem to come from someone who has an intuition that he needs to make the most of life while he can, that he may be taken from this planet sooner than he would like, but also that life is just a party and the afterparty is really cool.

So i feel like a physical dependence on something less potent naturally arose as you said, (if i had done 1% of the performing he did in high heels, or have some other injury, i could be in the same boat, even though i'm the most anti-drug person i know) and then the contamination with much stronger drugs happened later without prince realizing it, leading to a quick spiral out of control. Whether the contamination was intentional or just random will hopefully come to light soon. Sorry i should keep up with every news update, but did they ever report if the pills he was withdrawing from had been chemically tested, or were they just assumed to be what he thought they were?

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I think, that if you are addicted, really addicted, you can no longer see clearly anymore what is best for you and make clear decisions for yourself. And another problem I see, that was his so called inner circle. Everybody was in denial of the real situation and/or played along with it. If he didnt have all those enablers around him, he might have been saved. He should have gotten proper treatment in a specialized clinic. Not strange withdrawals at home under no supervision of a trained doctor. What strikes me as well, is, that this man was in a critcal condition and was left all alone by himself. I believe his death could have been avoided with the right people around him. Had it been, people were at least checking on him, but there was noone around. And lets not forget, what killed him in the end, were those mysterious deadly pills, which contained so much poison that it could have killed several men. Had it been, it were "only" normal painkillers, he would still be alive.

But Prince made these choices. Nobody forced enablers or yes men around him. And maybe considering how fiercely independent he always was he didn't want (or couldn't bring himself) to have someone 'save' him. We have so few details about what really happened it's unfair to make judgements imo.
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Reply #147 posted 04/21/17 4:17pm

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angel22 said:
I think, that if you are addicted, really addicted, you can no longer see clearly anymore what is best for you and make clear decisions for yourself. And another problem I see, that was his so called inner circle. Everybody was in denial of the real situation and/or played along with it. If he didnt have all those enablers around him, he might have been saved. He should have gotten proper treatment in a specialized clinic. Not strange withdrawals at home under no supervision of a trained doctor. What strikes me as well, is, that this man was in a critcal condition and was left all alone by himself. I believe his death could have been avoided with the right people around him. Had it been, people were at least checking on him, but there was noone around. And lets not forget, what killed him in the end, were those mysterious deadly pills, which contained so much poison that it could have killed several men. Had it been, it were "only" normal painkillers, he would still be alive.
But Prince made these choices. Nobody forced enablers or yes men around him. And maybe considering how fiercely independent he always was he didn't want (or couldn't bring himself) to have someone 'save' him. We have so few details about what really happened it's unfair to make judgements imo.


Independence has nothing to do with it. We're talking about opioids.
There's not really a will of his own.
Maybe shame stays on the surface, but again,
Prince on the parking lot is really disturbing,
and in this picture I see lack of independence.
He had an unwanted dependence.

What strikes me is that the last lyrics are so positive.
It's like he trained his brain to divert the pain.
To perform the Heroes / Dolphin we know
with painkillers in the blood.
Superhero indeed.

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Reply #148 posted 04/21/17 4:37pm

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rogifan said:

angel22 said:
I think, that if you are addicted, really addicted, you can no longer see clearly anymore what is best for you and make clear decisions for yourself. And another problem I see, that was his so called inner circle. Everybody was in denial of the real situation and/or played along with it. If he didnt have all those enablers around him, he might have been saved. He should have gotten proper treatment in a specialized clinic. Not strange withdrawals at home under no supervision of a trained doctor. What strikes me as well, is, that this man was in a critcal condition and was left all alone by himself. I believe his death could have been avoided with the right people around him. Had it been, people were at least checking on him, but there was noone around. And lets not forget, what killed him in the end, were those mysterious deadly pills, which contained so much poison that it could have killed several men. Had it been, it were "only" normal painkillers, he would still be alive.
But Prince made these choices. Nobody forced enablers or yes men around him. And maybe considering how fiercely independent he always was he didn't want (or couldn't bring himself) to have someone 'save' him. We have so few details about what really happened it's unfair to make judgements imo.

Nothing but truth. Prince held all the leverage-he had the power to keep people at a distance to shield his problems from the public, had the money to seek out the best medical treatment at any clinic worldwide and his reputation for being clean living (which he earned) put doubt in a lot of people's heads that he had an addiction or at the least physical dependence. The only thing his iner circle could have executed was threatening to to the media about his health issues if he didn't admit himself into a hospital. But that is 20/20 hindsight now

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Reply #149 posted 04/21/17 4:39pm

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traceyp23 said:

I really hope that I am not judged as harshly as Prince when I am trying my very best on my very worst day. He was trying. He was doing his very best. Clearly hindsight is 20/20 and we all can see now all of the ways that he went wrong. But does anybody really think that this was the outcome that he was shooting for? Do we not think that, if he knew that this is where everything would end up, he would have done so many things differently?



Without knowing all of the facts, it would appear to me that he began using medication for a legitimate medical reason. Logically, that led to a physical dependance. I don't understand how that can be construed as a character flaw of some kind. It's simply what happens. From there, it seems like it spiraled into an addiction that he couldn't get under control. But from what we have read, he was tying to get his hands around it. He was going through withdrawals. He may have been involved in reaching out to a treatment program. He clearly knew that there was a problem. He was trying to fix it.



No judgement here. He was human. And he is loved and missed beyond measure.



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