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Thread started 04/09/17 5:42am

KoolEaze

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Saw a few seconds of The Second Coming on TV today

I watched a very lousy Prince documentary on French/German TV channel Arte today ( a great channel, by the way....this is how TV should be). But this one docu sucked big time (they got the facts wrong, mentioned his "Italian-American and half black" roots, even showed a Prince lookalike for a brief moment and claimed it was Prince).

However, one interesting thing that stood out to me was that they used a few seconds from the Second Coming movie that was shelved in the early 80s during the Controversy era.

They showed that scene where Prince is chewing gum and looking a bit high, talking to Susan Moonsie, and maybe one or two seconds of another scene. To my knowledge, there are maybe a dozen pictures from that movie but I had never seen film clips before.

The quality of the scenes was very good.

I wonder if we will ever get to see the full movie, and I wonder where Arte got those snippets from.

If you want to watch the scenes (or the whole thing), you can do so online on Arte´s Arte+7 streaming site.

Here´s the link to the stream:

http://www.arte.tv/guide/.../abgedreht

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Reply #1 posted 04/09/17 5:46am

KoolEaze

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PS: If you don´t feel like watching the whole thing and just want to see the relevant snippet, just fast forward to the 18.15 mins. mark and you´ll see what I mean. It´s very brief though.

There is one more scene a bit later, albeit also extremly short, even shorter than the first one.

Still, it´s interesting that they included this instead of any other footage.

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Reply #2 posted 04/09/17 5:59am

KoolEaze

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The other (VERY short) snippet can be seen at 19.24 mins.

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Reply #3 posted 04/09/17 6:03am

bluegangsta

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Very interesting! Thanks. Certainly beats screenshots.

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Reply #4 posted 04/09/17 6:09am

paulludvig

Great find! Thanks!

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #5 posted 04/09/17 6:17am

ElGorillos

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Nice!! Thanks for the heads up, KoolEaze cool

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Reply #6 posted 04/09/17 6:59am

Militant

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Awesome! I'd love to know where/how they got this.

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Reply #7 posted 04/09/17 7:05am

KoolEaze

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Militant said:

Awesome! I'd love to know where/how they got this.

I thought about sending them an e-mail. Arte usually responds very quickly and they love getting feedback.

Guess I´ll ask them now. wink

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Reply #8 posted 04/09/17 7:51am

callimnate

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Bugger! Its been removed. sad

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Reply #9 posted 04/09/17 8:04am

luvgirl

Too late... sad
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Reply #10 posted 04/09/17 8:27am

KoolEaze

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callimnate said:

Bugger! Its been removed. sad

It will be online until May, don´t worry.

And....Militant just posted the relevant parts on Facebook, so I guess it´s preserved for posterity. wink

Don´t know why Arte removed it but they say it´s online until May.

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Reply #11 posted 04/09/17 8:50am

Guitarhero

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It ain't been removed just watched it. Maybe because am in europe.

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Reply #12 posted 04/09/17 8:50am

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I have just sent a message to Arte, asking them where they got the footage from and if they own the full movie .

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Reply #13 posted 04/09/17 8:53am

ElGorillos

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Gifs:

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EG

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Reply #14 posted 04/09/17 8:56am

bluegangsta

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I will upload the footage on YouTube soon. smile

EDIT: I think the GIFs will do haha.

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Reply #15 posted 04/09/17 9:18am

CandyCool

Thanks for posting. I can watch it (am in Europe). If my ancient German language skills are still ok - it says it will be up for another 29 days. It's been watched 2662 times...
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Reply #16 posted 04/09/17 10:54am

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Fantastic find! Good quality, too. cool

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Reply #17 posted 04/09/17 11:43am

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The guy who shot it said Prince brought from him years ago.

said:

I watched a very lousy Prince documentary on French/German TV channel Arte today ( a great channel, by the way....this is how TV should be). But this one docu sucked big time (they got the facts wrong, mentioned his "Italian-American and half black" roots, even showed a Prince lookalike for a brief moment and claimed it was Prince).


However, one interesting thing that stood out to me was that they used a few seconds from the Second Coming movie that was shelfed in the early 80s during the Controversy era.


They showed that scene where Prince is chewing gum and looking a bit high, talking to Susan Moonsie, and maybe one or two seconds of another scene. To my knowledge, there are maybe a dozen pictures from that movie but I had never seen film clips before.


The quality of the scenes was very good.


I wonder if we will ever get to see the full movie, and I wonder where Arte got those snippets from.


If you want to watch the scenes (or the whole thing), you can do so online on Arte´s Arte+7 streaming site.


Here´s the link to the stream:


http://www.arte.tv/guide/.../abgedreht


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Reply #18 posted 04/09/17 11:59am

SoulAlive

Wow!! eek This is great! Wouldn't it be cool if this project could finally be completed and released?! Perhaps it could be released as part of a Controversy remaster? Wishful thinking,I know smile

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Reply #19 posted 04/09/17 12:52pm

luvgirl

ElGorillos said:

Gifs:








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EG



Whoa eek
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Reply #20 posted 04/09/17 2:51pm

KoolEaze

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luvgirl said:

ElGorillos said:

Gifs:

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EG

Whoa eek

lol

Right?

And in such pristine quality, too.

I´m still waiting for a reply from Arte. Maybe they have more than what we saw.

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Reply #21 posted 04/09/17 2:54pm

purplegirl00

Who is the other woman? Is that Kim Upsher?

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Reply #22 posted 04/09/17 2:58pm

KoolEaze

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laurarichardson said:

The guy who shot it said Prince brought from him years ago. said:

I watched a very lousy Prince documentary on French/German TV channel Arte today ( a great channel, by the way....this is how TV should be). But this one docu sucked big time (they got the facts wrong, mentioned his "Italian-American and half black" roots, even showed a Prince lookalike for a brief moment and claimed it was Prince).

However, one interesting thing that stood out to me was that they used a few seconds from the Second Coming movie that was shelfed in the early 80s during the Controversy era.

They showed that scene where Prince is chewing gum and looking a bit high, talking to Susan Moonsie, and maybe one or two seconds of another scene. To my knowledge, there are maybe a dozen pictures from that movie but I had never seen film clips before.

The quality of the scenes was very good.

I wonder if we will ever get to see the full movie, and I wonder where Arte got those snippets from.

If you want to watch the scenes (or the whole thing), you can do so online on Arte´s Arte+7 streaming site.

Here´s the link to the stream:

http://www.arte.tv/guide/.../abgedreht

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Oh, I know that, we´ve had some lengthy threads on that. Buz I think what you are referring to is the concert footage and not the dramatic scenes. Chuck said that he found the dramatic scenes in his vault one day and would have sold them to Prince, too, but he never heard from him.

Here´s what he said on waxpoetics....read the full interview if you haven´t already, it´s quite interesting. The article is about The Second Coming.

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Was there even an opportunity to assemble a rough cut of the concert and house footage?

No, it never got cut, because we never got to that stage. We were still in the process of cutting the concert at the same time. His management did come back to me several times over the years to discuss the project, but nothing materialized. The film just sat there.

Were you able to speak with Prince directly about possibly salvaging The Second Coming?

About five years ago, I get a call from someone saying, “Prince wants to talk to you.” He gets on the phone and says, “You’re not gonna hold me hostage are you?” [laughs] I told him no, I just want to get paid what was due back then! There was no other issue—I just wanted to get my due. After we settled up, I turned over the Met Center footage to him. Including all the camera originals and work prints.

He was very protective of his image back in the day, a little less today, but still wants to keep everything under lock and key. At the time, he didn’t ask about the dramatic scenes; it was like they didn’t exist. Nothing has been done with it. There’s not a lot there though, because it was just the start of the whole idea.

In fact, I thought the footage of those sequences was lost. I called the film lab we originally used and various post-houses around Minneapolis looking for it. No luck. But a little over a year ago, I did manage to locate it in my vault. I sent him a few letters and never heard anything. So if I see him one day, I’ll let him know it’s safe and secure. Maybe if he sees this interview, he’ll reach out to me. Or sue me—one of the two. [laughs] I technically own the footage but can’t do anything with it due to licensing restrictions.

I did have another conversation with him later on, and if I remember correctly, although I’m not sure, he was concerned about the material being a little lascivious. After he made that comment, I understood he’s at a different place now being a Jehovah’s Witness. He distances himself from the older, more risqué work.

The idea of the film languishing in his archive is disheartening, given his reputation for shelving projects indefinitely. Maybe he’ll reconsider.

I had actually hoped that when he got it, he would try to do something with it. Put it together. I don’t think there’s any kind of document from that timeframe. Not of that professional grade quality from the Controversy tour. Again, it’s always bothersome when you make this investment and for one reason or the other the plug gets pulled.

There were excellent parts of the footage, namely his stage performance. Even though he was in his bikini and trench coat. Not to mention the antics with his guitar, the miming of certain sexual behaviors. Now, I as an artist have complete respect and admiration for the fact that he really is an artist. Not only with his musicianship but the way he approaches things and perceives things. He does have his own designs and concepts about it.

Purple Rain undoubtedly raised the bar for rock films and romanticized the image of Black musicians on the silver screen. Had The Second Coming been completed and released on schedule, would it have a similar cultural impact?

There’s little question in my mind that The Second Coming would have enjoyed commercial success. I know it’s easy to say now, but the Artist and his music was/is too compelling and powerful. His music is undeniable, and the odds are much better that it would have garnered a large audience. It was the right idea at that point in time. It would have had a reach well beyond what his touring could provide. It’s difficult for me to estimate its critical appeal because the premature abandonment left a large portion of production and the project unfinished and unrealized. It had potential. But it’s just something that’s in his vault, and that’s as far as it will ever go, most likely."

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Enjoy the full article here, It´s an interesting read;

http://www.waxpoetics.com...ated-film/

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Reply #23 posted 04/09/17 3:33pm

KoolEaze

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purplegirl00 said:

Who is the other woman? Is that Kim Upsher?

Yes.

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Reply #24 posted 04/09/17 4:38pm

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luvgirl said:

ElGorillos said:

Gifs:

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that overall look reminds me a lot of the 3121 time


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Reply #25 posted 04/09/17 5:05pm

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KoolEaze said:

purplegirl00 said:

Who is the other woman? Is that Kim Upsher?

Yes.

I though it was Jamie Shoop.

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Reply #26 posted 04/09/17 6:35pm

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Wow. Definitely on my "must see" list...

nothing's forbidden... and nothing's taboo.
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Reply #27 posted 04/10/17 6:27am

ludwig

Great find. I just downloaded the documentary.

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Reply #28 posted 04/10/17 9:56am

Robert3rd

Susan Moonsie is so fine!
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Reply #29 posted 04/10/17 11:06am

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Looks as ridiculous as I thought... lol neutral

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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