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IamBryan

Prince on April 21, 2016...what was going through his mind?

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside CVS waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

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Reply #1 posted 03/22/17 6:28pm

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I wish they would clarify how and why this happened. NOt to pry or invade his privacy but for closure for fans and to eliminate conspiracy theories and speculation..

But I doubt it will ever be solved.

IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside CVS waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

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Reply #2 posted 03/22/17 6:29pm

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IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside CVS waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

You shouldnt be blasted because the way he passed and the year is nothing any of us fans would have ever imagined. Any thoughts or reactions is testament to this. IMHO

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
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Reply #3 posted 03/22/17 6:32pm

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My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

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Reply #4 posted 03/22/17 6:33pm

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rdhull said:

IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...

Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...

We know on April 20th, he outside CVS waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...

I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??

I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...

Please be nice...

You shouldnt be blasted because the way he passed and the year is nothing any of us fans would have ever imagined. Any thoughts or reactions is testament to this. IMHO

Thanks for your support...this still just seem real...like a bad dream.

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Reply #5 posted 03/22/17 6:34pm

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He had a path that was set for him. It was a beautiful path. Embrace it. It was going to end and no matter how it eventually ended it would be sad and tragic for those of us who loved him.
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Reply #6 posted 03/22/17 6:35pm

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IamBryan said:

rdhull said:

You shouldnt be blasted because the way he passed and the year is nothing any of us fans would have ever imagined. Any thoughts or reactions is testament to this. IMHO

Thanks for your support...this still just seem real...like a bad dream.

Dude, I feel you.

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
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Reply #7 posted 03/22/17 6:40pm

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Phedra was running NPG and Tyka was working doing takedown notices.

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

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Reply #8 posted 03/22/17 6:41pm

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laurarichardson said:

Phedra was running NPG and Tyka was working doing takedown notices.

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

Tyka was indeed doing takedown stuff, on behalf of NPG Publishing - at the time she was using an NPGMusicPublishing.com email address. She was in touch with us on the staff team frequently at that time as well.

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Reply #9 posted 03/22/17 6:47pm

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Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

hmmm....I guess Prince was pretty forgiving...didn't she take him court in the late 80s, saying he stole one of her songs?? She is one of those relatives, that isn't seen/heard of until someone dies...then they inherit the estate! You can't honestly think that Prince would of on sound mind want her to run his estate?!

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IamBryan said:

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

hmmm....I guess Prince was pretty forgiving...didn't she take him court in the late 80s, saying he stole one of her songs?? She is one of those relatives, that isn't seen/heard of until someone dies...then they inherit the estate! You can't honestly think that Prince would of on sound mind want her to run his estate?!

No that was his sister Lorna and he had problems with his sister Sharon who is being an asshole right now.

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Reply #11 posted 03/22/17 7:03pm

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Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.


Exactly, more misinformation being assumed. Tyka has been running all those takedowns on YouTube for years. I had one on Instagram days before he died (it snowed in April in upstate NY), and the reply email for a dispute was Tyka's name at NPG publishing.


The Narcan theory is interesting, but unfortunately not that easy. A couple of nurse friends of mine, both of whom are really excellent in their field - and one of which is a Prince fan, said this, "Narcan doesn't work that way. It blocks the effects of opioids and opiates. It doesn't remove the tolerance. One thing that an opioid does do is it makes the pain that you're feeling worse over time which makes you want to take more, because you think you’re going to get relief."

He added, "

It was an accident. He took too much. When people start discussing whether or not he had any type of hip surgery. I truly believe that he had hip arthroscopy done. That type of procedure barely leave any scarring on your body. Basically what it does is it removes the pony fragments in your acetabulum is part of your hip socket."



Alcohol is a totally different demon, unrelated.

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Reply #12 posted 03/22/17 7:10pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.


Exactly, more misinformation being assumed. Tyka has been running all those takedowns on YouTube for years. I had one on Instagram days before he died (it snowed in April in upstate NY), and the reply email for a dispute was Tyka's name at NPG publishing.


The Narcan theory is interesting, but unfortunately not that easy. A couple of nurse friends of mine, both of whom are really excellent in their field - and one of which is a Prince fan, said this, "Narcan doesn't work that way. It blocks the effects of opioids and opiates. It doesn't remove the tolerance. One thing that an opioid does do is it makes the pain that you're feeling worse over time which makes you want to take more, because you think you’re going to get relief."

Alcohol is a totally different demon, unrelated.


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i seen her sitting behind the stage at Paisley several times too...so...

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Reply #13 posted 03/22/17 7:16pm

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My understanding was that he was already dead for hours when he was found.

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TrivialPursuit said:

The Narcan theory is interesting, but unfortunately not that easy. A couple of nurse friends of mine, both of whom are really excellent in their field - and one of which is a Prince fan, said this, "Narcan doesn't work that way. It blocks the effects of opioids and opiates. It doesn't remove the tolerance. One thing that an opioid does do is it makes the pain that you're feeling worse over time which makes you want to take more, because you think you’re going to get relief."


I'm not sure this is correct, but I'm no medical expert. There's an interesting thread on it here which seems to indicate narcan being used to reduce tolerance.

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Reply #15 posted 03/22/17 8:35pm

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I try very hard not to even think about it but when I can't help but to think about it, I just can't shake the feeling that since he couldn't get his prescription filled at the CVS, somebody got him some pills off the street and those pills weren't what Prince thought they were supposed to be. shrug sad

I really, seriously and truly...need, want and must have...one of Prince's hats!
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Reply #16 posted 03/22/17 8:40pm

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Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.


Thank you for putting this out there. It is all over the place that she was not part of his life until the end.

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Reply #17 posted 03/22/17 8:58pm

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IamBryan said:

Honestly, 11 months later, I am still mad, still angry, still confused on how and why this happened... I am sure some here will give me grief on this post here... Please know it's not my intention to make anyone upset or trying to solve what happened on that day... I don't feel Prince was an a drug addict, though I feel he was a "reckless" drug user...



Contrary what his sister says (truth be told was absent for many of the final years of his life, not seen or mentioned by Prince, so when she says, he told her her, he has done all he was put here to do...i am calling bullshit)... What we know, that he allegedly OD on a plane, given the save shot and was brought back...close associates says he was in grave danger, but yet, Prince lived his last few days normally, riding a bike, making appearances, going to the record store, etc...



We know on April 20th, he outside CVS waiting for what we can guess a prescription...for what we don't really know.... he comes home to PP around 8pm and that's the last he's seen... I don't think Prince truly wanted to die, he could of done this allot sooner, reason i think Tyka is lying...



I just can't help but think what was he doing when he got home on the 20th? I mean he was found in the same clothes the next day? Did he know he was in trouble after the final dose?? do you think he was going for help while he was in the elevator??



I guess, i am still in the denial phase of all of this... Just looking to understand...



Please be nice...



Oh the irony! sad You want people to be nice to you, but you aren't exactly being nice to Tyka! You are basically accusing her of not being a good person, when the evidence says otherwise. Think of how you'd feel if your relative had died and people were making unsubstantiated claims about you with impunity. Stop assuming things that you obviously haven't taken the time to research very well.

If Prince called her and told her he had done all he came to do, then I believe her, do you honestly think she and Kirk and people like Sheila E, don't really know what REALLY happened to him?
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Reply #18 posted 03/22/17 9:21pm

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Militant said:

TrivialPursuit said:

The Narcan theory is interesting, but unfortunately not that easy. A couple of nurse friends of mine, both of whom are really excellent in their field - and one of which is a Prince fan, said this, "Narcan doesn't work that way. It blocks the effects of opioids and opiates. It doesn't remove the tolerance. One thing that an opioid does do is it makes the pain that you're feeling worse over time which makes you want to take more, because you think you’re going to get relief."


I'm not sure this is correct, but I'm no medical expert. There's an interesting thread on it here which seems to indicate narcan being used to reduce tolerance.


My friend is a medical expert, and I'm going w/ his opinion on this one. It doesn't reduce the tolerance to the drug. As stated, it makes the pain worse, which makes a person think they can take more to control it. It's a lose-lose. You get hooked on the drug, and your pain gets worse, so you take more meds, etc etc.

I meant to add that Prince OD's by accident. The pills he had he didn't know were Fentanyl. They were thought to be something else, and he took those according to that knowledge. I'm not sure he'd have taken Fentanyl, and no one in their right mind would have taken the massive dosage he did by accident. So the tolerance level, etc. is sort of irrelevant. The dude was probably 120# dripping wet, and he was unknowingly taking a palm full of Fentanyl. No one could have tolerated that. sad

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Reply #19 posted 03/23/17 3:40am

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Watch 'Breakdown' live (Montreux 2013).

Listen to the lyrics,

Listen to me closely as the story unfolds
This could be the saddest story even been told
[...] I don't want to go... but I got to


the intensity and his tears at the end, even Ida looked upset.

Something was clearly going on and I think they all knew.

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TrivialPursuit said:



Militant said:




TrivialPursuit said:


The Narcan theory is interesting, but unfortunately not that easy. A couple of nurse friends of mine, both of whom are really excellent in their field - and one of which is a Prince fan, said this, "Narcan doesn't work that way. It blocks the effects of opioids and opiates. It doesn't remove the tolerance. One thing that an opioid does do is it makes the pain that you're feeling worse over time which makes you want to take more, because you think you’re going to get relief."





I'm not sure this is correct, but I'm no medical expert. There's an interesting thread on it here which seems to indicate narcan being used to reduce tolerance.




My friend is a medical expert, and I'm going w/ his opinion on this one. It doesn't reduce the tolerance to the drug. As stated, it makes the pain worse, which makes a person think they can take more to control it. It's a lose-lose. You get hooked on the drug, and your pain gets worse, so you take more meds, etc etc.


-/I said this a year ago and got blasted. The pain pills make the pain worst and it sounds like roller coaster ride to hell. I believe he had an RX at some point and overtime started taking to many. I believe he went off the books after getting cut off or he may have been trying ween himself off with Dr.S help. We just do not know the time line of events or what his overall health was like and what roll that played. I know he did not get 65k in medical expenses from illegal drugs.
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IMO the Estate doesn't owe fans anything. It's not up to Tyka to provide closure for people.
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Reply #22 posted 03/23/17 9:33am

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Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

the thing about that theory is that Prince wasn't some stupid street junkie, I'm sure he knew about that little detail and I'm also sure he was warned about it if the medical people had any level of competence. If he was jonesing that hard, he could have had someone with him, none of it makes sense. I can think of several scenarios, none of which really add up but it happened so we just have to accept it. the thing that bothers me, is i've had family who've died, i'm still haunted by it but you know what? they didn't want to live, they just didn't want to live anymore anyway and had no fight left in them. With Prince, it's obvious, he still had a lot to offer, his final show was as good or better than most any show i'd ever heard and there were few cues onstage which Elvis fans saw for several years leading up to his death. Somehow, i hate to think it, but he may have had a death wish.

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Reply #23 posted 03/23/17 9:34am

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laurarichardson said:

IamBryan said:

hmmm....I guess Prince was pretty forgiving...didn't she take him court in the late 80s, saying he stole one of her songs?? She is one of those relatives, that isn't seen/heard of until someone dies...then they inherit the estate! You can't honestly think that Prince would of on sound mind want her to run his estate?!

No that was his sister Lorna and he had problems with his sister Sharon who is being an asshole right now.

was sharon the ny sister, the one who we wondered about in the dirty mind song? I thought she passed.

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Reply #24 posted 03/23/17 9:36am

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Who knows what was going through Prince's mind exactly. However, if he was about to go to a rehab facility the nex day, I can guess that he was feeling confused, lonely, and in pain. It's a dark place. You are about to give up all your freedom and hopefully, change what you have been doing. I have been there and fortunately, haven't returned in over 25 years.

It's sad that he never had a fighting chance for the positive. A guy who had such a great heart and gave us so much joy really deserved better.

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Reply #25 posted 03/23/17 9:47am

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laurarichardson said:

TrivialPursuit said:


My friend is a medical expert, and I'm going w/ his opinion on this one. It doesn't reduce the tolerance to the drug. As stated, it makes the pain worse, which makes a person think they can take more to control it. It's a lose-lose. You get hooked on the drug, and your pain gets worse, so you take more meds, etc etc.

-/I said this a year ago and got blasted. The pain pills make the pain worst and it sounds like roller coaster ride to hell. I believe he had an RX at some point and overtime started taking to many. I believe he went off the books after getting cut off or he may have been trying ween himself off with Dr.S help. We just do not know the time line of events or what his overall health was like and what roll that played. I know he did not get 65k in medical expenses from illegal drugs.

it does sound like hell, the pills actually take away the bodies own ability to release it's own opiods provided by nature to relieve pain. Anyway, the pain theory makes no sense, strong people like Prince eat pain, i was recently reading up on Lynn Swann, football player, he had injuries from football and in a recent article, the doctors who did his knee replacement marvelled at how this guy ccould go on daily runs on a non-existent knee which had to be painful because of all the old fragments. Unusual guys like Prince, i've said it, have exceptional constitutions and spirits. Duke Ellington did his final shows, knowing he was on his way out with lung cancer. We are looking at Prince like we look at the average jack or jane, he wasn't.

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Reply #26 posted 03/23/17 9:57am

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We do not know how Prince got the fentanyl in him. The pills found were hydrocodone laced with fentanyl.
The narcan shot he received had no ill effect on him because he was not on any drugs. Narcan if given to someone on drugs can make you go through withdrawals, Prince was seen up and about even riding his bike.
That last day still does not add up.
You had Phaedra supposedly call the Cali Drs in for help for an OD that was about to happen...how would she know? Then the dr sends his son, Andrew who is unlicensed with suboxone ...we don't know what else he brought. Andrew also showed up in Minnisota the night of the 20th to treat a gravely ill Prince but waits until it's too late to see him?
If Prince was gravely ill why was he out the night of the 20th? (Not looking gravely ill at all) Then we heard he tweeted, did emails, worked on a song, and made phone calls.

IMO Something happened to him and it was not his doing. His death is still a homicide.
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Reply #27 posted 03/23/17 10:01am

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i don't think murder theories can go anywhere. one interesting thing that i saw in the gq thing was that maya washington mentions that he was paranoid, prince had complained about dry cleaners leaving bar codes or something on his clothes, it sounds wierd and loopy, maybe his mental state wasn't what we think it might have been.

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PeteSilas said:

i don't think murder theories can go anywhere. one interesting thing that i saw in the gq thing was that maya washington mentions that he was paranoid, prince had complained about dry cleaners leaving bar codes or something on his clothes, it sounds wierd and loopy, maybe his mental state wasn't what we think it might have been.


He had said he received death threats throughout his career.
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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't think murder theories can go anywhere. one interesting thing that i saw in the gq thing was that maya washington mentions that he was paranoid, prince had complained about dry cleaners leaving bar codes or something on his clothes, it sounds wierd and loopy, maybe his mental state wasn't what we think it might have been.

He had said he received death threats throughout his career.

i'm sure he did, most stars do and you know what? they have more to fear from their own selves than any shadowy figure usually.

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