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Militant

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Mayte's Book [The Official Thread] - All Discussion Here

[First thread has gotten wayyyyy too long. Please post on Part 2 here http://prince.org/msg/7/440048 - thanks - luv4u

Hey all!



This is the official thread regarding discussing Mayte's book.



Some of you have asked why older threads were removed.



The reason is that we were asked by Mayte's publishers to not have discussions regarding the leaked manuscript as this was not representative of the final book. We were attempting to get a statement from them.

However, as of today - promotional copies have been sent to the media and reviewers, and the marketing campaign by the publishing company has begun, so we can begin discussion officially without risking upsetting anyone.



Please keep discussion civil - flaming will not be tolerated.



As the book will inevitably discuss drug references, Ben and the entire staff team have decided that we are sunsetting the "no drugs" rule that we originally intended to follow until April 21st. As long as this conversation is dealt with in a civil manner. Basically, if we can all agree to be adults here, then everything will be OK. We mods have a difficult enough job and we don't need things descending into anarchy.

P.S - The reason this thread is not in Associated Artists is because the book is directly about her life with Prince, and even if we put the thread over there we'd end up with a million new topics about it here.

Reply #1 posted 03/15/17 7:02am

Iamtheorg

wow

this seems weird

.

[Edited 3/15/17 7:04am]

Reply #2 posted 03/15/17 7:14am

rogifan

So basically this thread will just turn into a drug/illness/gossip/conspiracy thread. And already the tabloid trash media is focusing on "pills". rolleyes


[Edited 3/15/17 7:21am]
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Reply #3 posted 03/15/17 7:31am

least87

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.

Reply #4 posted 03/15/17 7:38am

nelcp777

The photo of Mayte on the deck of the house was nice in the People article.

Reply #5 posted 03/15/17 7:44am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.
Reply #6 posted 03/15/17 7:48am

Militant

moderator

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Reply #7 posted 03/15/17 7:52am

laurarichardson

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

Most people talk about this with family or a therapist not with the media. If she wrote a book to help women get over this sort of thing that would be great but that is not what she is doing.

Also she keeps going on about the test she did not have. Does she not realize that the test would not have stopped a genetic defect and I doubt he would have wanted her to abort the baby which would have been the only thing they could have done. So what is her point? Is she blaming him for a genetic defect?

There is no love in the way she is presenting herself.

Reply #8 posted 03/15/17 7:52am

PeteSilas

it's incredibly sad, but you know, it just reminds me that all of us, the great and the small are struck by tragedy. After reading it I could see how Prince supposedly once made sense of it, that god was punishing him for his sins.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #9 posted 03/15/17 7:55am

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

Most people talk about this with family or a therapist not with the media. If she wrote a book to help women get over this sort of thing that would be great but that is not what she is doing.

Also she keeps going on about the test she did not have. Does she not realize that the test would not have stopped a genetic defect and I doubt he would have wanted her to abort the baby which would have been the only thing they could have done. So what is her point? Is she blaming him for a genetic defect?

There is no love in the way she is presenting herself.

this'll be one of the first of many, if going by superstars past is any way to measure. Elvis has had books written about him by just about everyone associated with him, some of them very exploitive some of them hagiographic and some of them are very good. Mj has had a few, one by his bodyguards, some people have said that bodyguards should keep things confidential and i could see that argument.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #10 posted 03/15/17 7:56am

laurarichardson

Militant said:

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay. eek

Reply #11 posted 03/15/17 7:58am

rogifan

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

There's no mixed feelings for me. Sorry to anyone here who knows Mayte but to me there are no good intentions here. And to have the book come out the same month as the 1 year anniversary of his passing...it makes me ill. And when Funkenberry says Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his? Also why does Mayte get a pass when Mani never would?

laurarichardson said:

Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay. eek

It's one thing to do the book but to then let tabloids splash it across the front pages of their magazines. I know People isn't the worst of the lot but still...Prince never dished on anybody, certainly not the women he was with. I get that she has a right to do this but doesn't mean I have to respect it.
[Edited 3/15/17 8:05am]
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Reply #12 posted 03/15/17 8:05am

PeteSilas

i hear you guys but being realistic, it's going to happen. Money and vanity are powerful motivators. The best any of us can really hope for is truthfullness without sensationalism which we probably won't get. Everyone has an axe to grind and you know what? had Prince ever published his own memoir, i doubt if his would have been revealing at all. Most autobios are very deceptive, Bruce Springsteen's recent bio is about as honest and good as I've ever seen, usually they are purely self-serving with the subject not admitting to any shortcomings.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #13 posted 03/15/17 8:12am

pdiddy2011

I think Mayte certainly has the right to tell her version. Hopefully, it's done in truth.

I am a HUGE Prince fan, but demanding that people act like he didn't make mistakes, even if unintentional, is very hypocritical.

If she can sell a book based on her life with a music idol, why not? Especially, IF she is not being vindictive or has an axe to grind. Now if she is making up stuff just to sell books, that's different...

Reply #14 posted 03/15/17 8:15am

Militant

moderator

rogifan said:

Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his?


Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples.

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.



Reply #15 posted 03/15/17 8:21am

PeteSilas

Militant said:

rogifan said:

Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his?


Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples.

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.



ok, but i think he was using her (or whoever) as a muse. And those songs weren't blatantly directed at anyone, only we might assume who they'd be about, most fans would think that they were just songs and wouldn't care for the background of them. But even there, that thing I'm talking about, how people try to paint themselves in a way to absolve them, Prince's songs (I love you but don't trust you anymore, man 0' war) have him playing victim which is probably way too simple to be true. Still, a song is a song and a book is a book, he never named anyone in a song that I know of and if he did, he usually used a nickname of some kind.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #16 posted 03/15/17 8:26am

Strawberrylova123

Why the PILLS headline..so unnecessary
Reply #17 posted 03/15/17 8:27am

PeteSilas

Strawberrylova123 said:

Why the PILLS headline..so unnecessary

ya, that's what i'm wondering and if mayte had any sense she would have asked that the words "tell all" not be on the cover [snip - no personal attacks on people please - mods]

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #18 posted 03/15/17 8:31am

rogifan

Militant said:

 



rogifan said:


 Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his? 

 



Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples. 

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.

 

 


Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.
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Reply #19 posted 03/15/17 8:33am

PURPLEIZED3121

fair point on closing my original thread Militant.

My original point was as follows:

RE Mayte's revelations today in People Magazine - where do we draw the line on revelations?

just read it..won't link it [sorry but I cant bring myself to]..i feel sick after reading it & suspect you will too? Q is...where do we draw the line on these books / stories etc. Do you want a Judith Hill tell all [as she did re the events on the plane] , inevitably Wendy & Lisa amongst many others will be doing their books etc. In your opinion what do you want...is it a case of what the hell..if I dont wnat it I wont look / buy it OR do you want to know everything?

The pain & mixed emotions regarding P's mind set start all over again.

Reply #20 posted 03/15/17 8:37am

oscarchristio777

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

Most people talk about this with family or a therapist not with the media. If she wrote a book to help women get over this sort of thing that would be great but that is not what she is doing.

Also she keeps going on about the test she did not have. Does she not realize that the test would not have stopped a genetic defect and I doubt he would have wanted her to abort the baby which would have been the only thing they could have done. So what is her point? Is she blaming him for a genetic defect?

There is no love in the way she is presenting herself.

I have not read the book, but this very sad event that her and Prince shared is something the public already knew about. It had also been discussed in other biographies most likely not in detail or from any personal perspective. I dont condemn her in any way for discussing it, she most likely is just being honest in her recount of something that happened in their relationship and its not as if she talks about something the public didnt already know about.

I have not read the book, I am personally interested in what she has to say and I dont see why she is apparently by some seemingly being condemed for writing a book about most likely one of the most significant chapters of her life. People write books about famous people they knew from a personal perspective, that happens all the time, I dont see what the big deal is. People were most likely writing books about Prince possibly without Prince's approval way before he passed, did that stop anyone from reading them.

Reply #21 posted 03/15/17 8:41am

purplethunder3121

rogifan said:

So basically this thread will just turn into a drug/illness/gossip/conspiracy thread. And already the tabloid trash media is focusing on "pills". rolleyes [Edited 3/15/17 7:21am]

This is what I don't want to see and wouldn't without this forthconing book. sad mad

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #22 posted 03/15/17 8:43am

PURPLEIZED3121

so, to continue. I guess she has every right to do a book..it was her loss too. However of everyone involved in his circle this is the one I dreaded the most. Other books will follow an inevitable pattern i.e. cute stories, some insights into the recording process, his work ethic, charitable works, funny stories, he was a hard task master etc.

Mayte's book however crosses a huge line for me in that we all know how firecely private P was, this was a shattering moment for him too & he did not want this part of life shared. To do a book like this should require 100% approval from both parties - it wasn't done when he was alive & yet as soon as he's gone here we have the full account. By the looks of it no details spared & fully sensationalised in People magazine...& inevitably will be picked up by tabloids across the globe.

So, as we approach April 21st 2017..this book will dominate...as if we & more importantly his family aren't hurt enough. It refelcts incredibly badly IMHO on her & her motives.

What a world we live in. sad

Reply #23 posted 03/15/17 8:45am

nelcp777

Militant said:

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Well said.

Reply #24 posted 03/15/17 8:57am

purplethunder3121

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fair point on closing my original thread Militant.

My original point was as follows:

RE Mayte's revelations today in People Magazine - where do we draw the line on revelations?

just read it..won't link it [sorry but I cant bring myself to]..i feel sick after reading it & suspect you will too? Q is...where do we draw the line on these books / stories etc. Do you want a Judith Hill tell all [as she did re the events on the plane] , inevitably Wendy & Lisa amongst many others will be doing their books etc. In your opinion what do you want...is it a case of what the hell..if I dont wnat it I wont look / buy it OR do you want to know everything?

The pain & mixed emotions regarding P's mind set start all over again.

By not buying the book and not reading sensationalistic gutter press articles. neutral

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #25 posted 03/15/17 8:59am

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

Militant said:

 



rogifan said:


 Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his? 

 



Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples. 

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.

 

 


Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.

He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.
Reply #26 posted 03/15/17 9:03am

morningsong

So has anyone read the actual article?
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Reply #27 posted 03/15/17 9:03am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

 



Strawberrylova123 said:


Why the PILLS headline..so unnecessary

ya, that's what i'm wondering and if mayte had any sense she would have asked that the words "tell all" not be on the cover [snip - no personal attacks on people please - mods]


---[snip - no personal attacks please] this is Prince's fault you never marry the help. You marry up not down.
Reply #28 posted 03/15/17 9:04am

least87

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay. eek

I appreciate people around Prince sharing their stories - I think they give all of us - and the world - more insight into what he was like and what it meant to know him. I just wish "People" magazine could do without the sensational, gossipy headline.

Reply #29 posted 03/15/17 9:07am

Militant

moderator

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:
Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.
He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.


Bingo.

Some people here would look at a song like "Call My Name" with the lyrics:


"Heard your voice this morning calling out my name

It had been so long since I heard it
That it didn't sound quite the same, no
But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door"

and they would say "oh, we don't know who the song is about! We can't say for sure!"

Never mind the fact that the Bridle Path is literally the neighborhood where Prince and Mani lived after they got married.

Prince wrote everything about his life in his songs. Like most songwriters.






Reply #30 posted 03/15/17 9:09am

IstenSzek

i have no problem with her writing a book. she has every right to do so.

the thing i don't like about this release is the way the press will pick up
bits and pieces and run with the most controversial headlines.

but that is to be expected, i guess. we'll see more of this with books by
other people coming out one after the other.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #31 posted 03/15/17 9:26am

NouveauDance

This is what they [tabloid media] do, the days of clutching your pearls at salacious headlines are long gone. Vote with your wallet and clicks.

Reply #32 posted 03/15/17 9:27am

Strawberrylova123

I really hate seeing the media having a field day
Reply #33 posted 03/15/17 9:28am

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:
Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.
He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.

he did say he was "open book" but he clearly never meant it, you have to go by what people do not what they say. He was perturbed any time some ex-associate said anything about him.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #34 posted 03/15/17 9:33am

Identity

I'm looking forward to reading her new book, although I know it will be difficult so close to the anniversary of Prince's death.


Maybe she will have a low key book launch event in L.A. and sign copies. If she does, I'm showing up.

[Edited 3/15/17 10:22am]

"Fall like lightning.''
Reply #35 posted 03/15/17 9:34am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

 



laurarichardson said:


rogifan said:
Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.

He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.

he did say he was "open book"  but he clearly never meant it, you have to go by what people do not what they say.  He was perturbed any time some ex-associate said anything about him.  


-/Because he decide if he wanted to address an issue in a song. Because you are celebrity it does mean you obligated to have all your business in the street. All celebs who do this stuff it blows up in their face. The media builds you up and then rips you apart and the celb is the one that gave the media the gun to shoot them with. Prince did not do that stupid shit and his associates are all going to see what happens when they really start talking to the media.
Reply #36 posted 03/15/17 9:36am

PeteSilas

i guess what i'm getting at is that songwriters and artists do take a think called artistic license, in song and poem, love and women are idealized and everything is magnified. It's not meant to be realistic. A book or articles is meant to be truthful even though it often isn't, it's suppossed to be. different mediums.

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said: He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.


Bingo.

Some people here would look at a song like "Call My Name" with the lyrics:


"Heard your voice this morning calling out my name

It had been so long since I heard it
That it didn't sound quite the same, no
But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door"

and they would say "oh, we don't know who the song is about! We can't say for sure!"

Never mind the fact that the Bridle Path is literally the neighborhood where Prince and Mani lived after they got married.

Prince wrote everything about his life in his songs. Like most songwriters.






Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #37 posted 03/15/17 9:38am

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

he did say he was "open book" but he clearly never meant it, you have to go by what people do not what they say. He was perturbed any time some ex-associate said anything about him.

-/Because he decide if he wanted to address an issue in a song. Because you are celebrity it does mean you obligated to have all your business in the street. All celebs who do this stuff it blows up in their face. The media builds you up and then rips you apart and the celb is the one that gave the media the gun to shoot them with. Prince did not do that stupid shit and his associates are all going to see what happens when they really start talking to the media.

I'm not judging him, he had his reasons for what he did and he was smarter than most of us. I am just saying i thought it was almost laughable for him to say he was open book, he never was although I think he relaxed the older he got. I cannot see him writing a memoir remotely as revealing and self-deprecating as springsteen but then, I haven't seen anyone write a book that honest (maybe Johnny Cash).

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #38 posted 03/15/17 10:06am

Mroshun

I am actually excited to read the book. I have no doubt that Mayte will honor him and their shared moments together.

Some of you all buy into the media hype and the marketing ploy. She is not going to exploit him nor dog him.

Reply #39 posted 03/15/17 10:09am

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

 



laurarichardson said:


rogifan said:
Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.

He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.

he did say he was "open book"  but he clearly never meant it, you have to go by what people do not what they say.  He was perturbed any time some ex-associate said anything about him.  


-/Because he decide if he wanted to address an issue in a song. Because you are celebrity it does mean you obligated to have all your business in the street. All celebs who do this stuff it blows up in their face. The media builds you up and then rips you apart and the celb is the one that gave the media the gun to shoot them with. Prince did not do that stupid shit and his associates are all going to see what happens when they really start talking to the media.

Which is it? Some of you have been leading the charge for more information regarding his life and death. Begging, digging, demanding, scouring for the most sensitive and personal details. Then when you get it you jump on the "give him his privacy" bandwagon. Just stop with the contradictions and hypocrisy so we can have a nice clean, focused thread for once that doesn't veer off in a number of horrible directions only to eventually land in the gutter again where it will be locked. Thank u. I'll add my own comments about the article and book in a few min.
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Reply #40 posted 03/15/17 10:11am

rogifan

What Prince thinks of this book and all the tabloid headlines to come:

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Reply #41 posted 03/15/17 10:15am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:


Not the same at all. And we can never say for sure who these songs were written for/about. The idea that Prince didn't write a tell-all because his tell-all was in his songs...not buying it.

He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.

I'm sorry you still can't compare it to a tell-all book. And honestly how many people study lyrics? It's not the same at all.
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Reply #42 posted 03/15/17 10:16am

rogifan

NouveauDance said:

This is what they [tabloid media] do, the days of clutching your pearls at salacious headlines are long gone. Vote with your wallet and clicks.


Which is why I'm not buying the book, didn't click on the People link and won't click on any others.
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Reply #43 posted 03/15/17 10:21am

laytonian

.
Oh goodie.
An instant complaint and judgmental thread about a book no one has read.
.
Instead, judging the author like she's "the help" and worse.
When y'all start discussing the contents of the book, let me know.
.
We had fun, didn't we?
Reply #44 posted 03/15/17 10:23am

1Sasha

DailyMail.Online has more of the book detailed. What its excerpts reveal is that Prince ruled the roost in that relationship (yes, I know - duh), and he refused to permit essential medical testing. Mayte was too young or too something to stand up for herself and have the testing. I wonder if today, with the same diagnosis, a couple might elect an abortion rather than go through with the pregnancy.

Reply #45 posted 03/15/17 10:28am

PennyPurple

There was nothing wrong with the article in People. I'm looking forward to the book.

It's sad that she has been diagnosed with MS though.

Reply #46 posted 03/15/17 10:29am

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:


-/Because he decide if he wanted to address an issue in a song. Because you are celebrity it does mean you obligated to have all your business in the street. All celebs who do this stuff it blows up in their face. The media builds you up and then rips you apart and the celb is the one that gave the media the gun to shoot them with. Prince did not do that stupid shit and his associates are all going to see what happens when they really start talking to the media.

Which is it? Some of you have been leading the charge for more information regarding his life and death. Begging, digging, demanding, scouring for the most sensitive and personal details. Then when you get it you jump on the "give him his privacy" bandwagon. Just stop with the contradictions and hypocrisy so we can have a nice clean, focused thread for once that doesn't veer off in a number of horrible directions only to eventually land in the gutter again where it will be locked. Thank u. I'll add my own comments about the article and book in a few min.

-- His case information will be open to the public eventrually so no one has to beg. The details of the child's birth defects are not needed as well as the details of their marriage. The thing is no one in the media cares about his death but they care about a marriage from 20 years ago. Why do you that is?
Reply #47 posted 03/15/17 10:30am

MattyJam

This book is beyond tacky and totally a cynical cash-in from Mayte. She should be ashamed, although its hardly surprising.

Reply #48 posted 03/15/17 10:33am

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

DailyMail.Online has more of the book detailed.  What its excerpts reveal is that Prince ruled the roost in that relationship (yes, I know - duh), and he refused to permit essential medical testing.  Mayte was too young or too something to stand up for herself and have the testing.  I wonder if today, with the same diagnosis, a couple might elect an abortion rather than go through with the pregnancy.


--Medical testing would have done nothing to stop birth defect. In fact that test can cause a miscarriage plenty of people do not have it done for that reason. I doubt he would have been okay with an abortion. I am wonder if she even realizes what see is stating. Also if you over the age of 18 you can have any test you want. He would not have been able to stop her.
Reply #49 posted 03/15/17 10:35am

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.

I'm sorry you still can't compare it to a tell-all book. And honestly how many people study lyrics? It's not the same at all.

-/Prince was songwriter not an author and plenty of Prince fan pay attention the lyrics.
Reply #50 posted 03/15/17 10:36am

rogifan

laytonian said:

.
Oh goodie.
An instant complaint and judgmental thread about a book no one has read.
.
Instead, judging the author like she's "the help" and worse.
When y'all start discussing the contents of the book, let me know.
.

I don't care what the books says. We all know it wouldn't be happening if he was still alive. Imagine what people would be saying if this was a book from M2...
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Reply #51 posted 03/15/17 10:36am

PennyPurple

rogifan said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.
There's no mixed feelings for me. Sorry to anyone here who knows Mayte but to me there are no good intentions here. And to have the book come out the same month as the 1 year anniversary of his passing...it makes me ill. And when Funkenberry says Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his? Also why does Mayte get a pass when Mani never would? laurarichardson said:
Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay. eek
It's one thing to do the book but to then let tabloids splash it across the front pages of their magazines. I know People isn't the worst of the lot but still...Prince never dished on anybody, certainly not the women he was with. I get that she has a right to do this but doesn't mean I have to respect it. [Edited 3/15/17 8:05am]

Prince was in the process of writing his own book. He could have told his story to anyone he pleased, just like Mayte can.

I agree with Militant he told his life thru his songs.

Reply #52 posted 03/15/17 10:36am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:


I'm sorry you still can't compare it to a tell-all book. And honestly how many people study lyrics? It's not the same at all.

-/Prince was songwriter not an author and plenty of Prince fan pay attention the lyrics.

Mayte isn't an author either.
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Reply #53 posted 03/15/17 10:38am

PennyPurple

morningsong said:

So has anyone read the actual article?

Yes, there was nothing wrong with the article.

Reply #54 posted 03/15/17 10:38am

disch

i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.

nelcp777 said:

Militant said:



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Well said.

Reply #55 posted 03/15/17 10:41am

PennyPurple

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

so, to continue. I guess she has every right to do a book..it was her loss too. However of everyone involved in his circle this is the one I dreaded the most. Other books will follow an inevitable pattern i.e. cute stories, some insights into the recording process, his work ethic, charitable works, funny stories, he was a hard task master etc.

Mayte's book however crosses a huge line for me in that we all know how firecely private P was, this was a shattering moment for him too & he did not want this part of life shared. To do a book like this should require 100% approval from both parties - it wasn't done when he was alive & yet as soon as he's gone here we have the full account. By the looks of it no details spared & fully sensationalised in People magazine...& inevitably will be picked up by tabloids across the globe.

So, as we approach April 21st 2017..this book will dominate...as if we & more importantly his family aren't hurt enough. It refelcts incredibly badly IMHO on her & her motives.

What a world we live in. sad

Prince was beginning to write his own book. Would it have required 100% approval from ALL parties involved? I don't think so.

There was nothing wrong with the People magazine article. Nothing in that article that hasn't already been discussed HERE, time and time again.

Reply #56 posted 03/15/17 10:57am

sonshine

Firstly, I used to like People mag back in the day. They are still better than some gossip mags but their headlines are another story. I hate how they sensationalize their content. It prob doesn't sit well with Mayte either. But all they care about is selling issues. They don't care about the people in People.

That being said I had already decided not to buy or read her book. And everyone else has that same choice. I respect her for doing what was right for her and in her heart. She's certainly allowed to do so. I have no bad feelings towards her for doing this. But I don't like sad stories, i don't like sad movies, or sad songs. Life can be hard enough some days so I avoid things that might bring me down. I already know more than enough about their life together. I prefer stories with a happy ending. I'm a hopeless romantic who naively clings to the ideal of "happily ever after". We already knew how their story ended. I don't want to read the heart wrenching details that got them there. They suffered a devastating tragedy no one should have to endure. There are other aspects of their relationship that never sat well with me but I prefer not to dwell on those lest I confuse the artist too much with the person.

As someone who has followed Prince since the early 80's there were times he disappointed me as a human being. But if I get too wrapped up in all that I'm afraid it will taint the respect and admiration I have had for the artist basically my entire adult life. He earned that due to his superior musicianship and prolific output. He has given me a lifetime of discovery, enjoyment, entertainment, fun, laughter, and love via his work and there is nothing anyone writes about him that can change what he accomplished. I see no reason to be upset with any of these books. I'm not willing to give up the gifts he generously shared with the world by getting embroiled in his personal business. I'm just going to continue to enjoy them while acknowledging he was a flawed individual. And that's ok with me.
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Reply #57 posted 03/15/17 11:00am

MattyJam

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

[Edited 3/15/17 11:03am]

Reply #58 posted 03/15/17 11:05am

PurpleDiamonds1

...the cover wording is distasteful and implies something other than what I read.
The media is at it again...
[Edited 3/15/17 11:07am]
[Edited 3/15/17 11:16am]
Reply #59 posted 03/15/17 11:07am

morningsong

PennyPurple said:

morningsong said:

So has anyone read the actual article?

Yes, there was nothing wrong with the article.



Is it talking about what the cover of the magazine is implying is in it?

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― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #60 posted 03/15/17 11:08am

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



PURPLEIZED3121 said:


so, to continue. I guess she has every right to do a book..it was her loss too. However of everyone involved in his circle this is the one I dreaded the most. Other books will follow an inevitable pattern i.e. cute stories, some insights into the recording process, his work ethic, charitable works, funny stories, he was  a hard task master etc.


 


Mayte's book however crosses a huge line for me in that we all know how firecely private P was, this was a shattering moment for him too & he did not want this part of life shared. To do a book like this should require 100% approval from both parties - it wasn't done when he was alive & yet as soon as he's gone here we have the full account. By the looks of it no details spared & fully sensationalised in People magazine...& inevitably will be picked up by tabloids across the globe.


So, as we approach April 21st 2017..this book will dominate...as if we & more importantly his family aren't hurt enough. It refelcts incredibly badly IMHO on her & her motives.


 


What a world we live in.  sad  



Prince was beginning to write his own book. Would it have required 100% approval from ALL parties involved? I don't think so.


 


There was nothing wrong with the People magazine article. Nothing in that article that hasn't already been discussed HERE, time and time again.


She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.
Reply #61 posted 03/15/17 11:09am

sonshine

MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

[Edited 3/15/17 11:03am]


Prince threw plenty of shade in his life and had moments that could definitely not be considered classy. Hate to burst your bubble. You don't have to defend his honor here. We are all fans regardless of what the people who really knew him have to say. That's the way I see it. I just don't understand people being personally butt hurt about this. It doesn't make logical sense.
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Reply #62 posted 03/15/17 11:11am

laurarichardson

MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

[Edited 3/15/17 11:03am]


-- Good points but we will see in a few weeks how interested the media is in Prince's homicide case. I am sure they will not find it as revenue generating.
[Edited 3/15/17 11:12am]
Reply #63 posted 03/15/17 11:12am

MattyJam

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Prince was beginning to write his own book. Would it have required 100% approval from ALL parties involved? I don't think so.

There was nothing wrong with the People magazine article. Nothing in that article that hasn't already been discussed HERE, time and time again.

She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.

It makes me laugh when folks talk about Mayte writing this book to "heal." I guess everyone who suffers the tragedy of losing a child should just try and get a publishing deal and write a book about it then. Oh, but wait, it's only if you're married to a world-famous musician that you will get your book on the shelves.

This is not about healing. This is about money. Money. Money. Money.

Reply #64 posted 03/15/17 11:14am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

She can tell her story, it is not just princes story, he married her so he made it her story too. I do think describing the babies appearance should have been kept private, out of respect for the child. obviously something she would discuss in detail with her loved ones, but not for any random person that may or may not give a crap. To included those details and then get paid feels wrong. She could have told the exact same story without describing the little one, and not lost any of the story. Again, it just makes me feel bad for everyone, that it all had to end like this...
Reply #65 posted 03/15/17 11:14am

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

 



PURPLEIZED3121 said:


so, to continue. I guess she has every right to do a book..it was her loss too. However of everyone involved in his circle this is the one I dreaded the most. Other books will follow an inevitable pattern i.e. cute stories, some insights into the recording process, his work ethic, charitable works, funny stories, he was  a hard task master etc.


 


Mayte's book however crosses a huge line for me in that we all know how firecely private P was, this was a shattering moment for him too & he did not want this part of life shared. To do a book like this should require 100% approval from both parties - it wasn't done when he was alive & yet as soon as he's gone here we have the full account. By the looks of it no details spared & fully sensationalised in People magazine...& inevitably will be picked up by tabloids across the globe.


So, as we approach April 21st 2017..this book will dominate...as if we & more importantly his family aren't hurt enough. It refelcts incredibly badly IMHO on her & her motives.


 


What a world we live in.  sad  



Prince was beginning to write his own book. Would it have required 100% approval from ALL parties involved? I don't think so.


 


There was nothing wrong with the People magazine article. Nothing in that article that hasn't already been discussed HERE, time and time again.


She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.

Since when is it up to him to decide she can make money? If money is your point I would say it's the least he could allow her to do since she didn't get any money from him in the divorce.
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Reply #66 posted 03/15/17 11:16am

MattyJam

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

[Edited 3/15/17 11:03am]

Prince threw plenty of shade in his life and had moments that could definitely not be considered classy. Hate to burst your bubble. You don't have to defend his honor here. We are all fans regardless of what the people who really knew him have to say. That's the way I see it. I just don't understand people being personally butt hurt about this. It doesn't make logical sense.


Prince never publicly betrayed anyone the way Mayte is doing to him right now. I have no illusions about Prince and perfectly aware that he could be an asshole to people in his private life. But publicly, he always remained dignified, never sold stories about his personal life and never spoke ill of former associations, band members, girlfriends, wives etc.

What Mayte is doing with this book is beyond contemptible.

Reply #67 posted 03/15/17 11:18am

rogifan

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

...the cover wording is distasteful and implies something other than what I read.
The media is at it again...
[Edited 3/15/17 11:07am]
[Edited 3/15/17 11:16am]



On Twitter Mayte is promoting this People Magazine cover telling people to pick up a copy so obviously she has no problem with the sensationalist headlines.
[Edited 3/15/17 11:22am]
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Reply #68 posted 03/15/17 11:19am

sonshine

MattyJam said:

 



sonshine said:


MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.


[Edited 3/15/17 11:03am]



Prince threw plenty of shade in his life and had moments that could definitely not be considered classy. Hate to burst your bubble. You don't have to defend his honor here. We are all fans regardless of what the people who really knew him have to say. That's the way I see it. I just don't understand people being personally butt hurt about this. It doesn't make logical sense.


Prince never publicly betrayed anyone the way Mayte is doing to him right now. I have no illusions about Prince and perfectly aware that he could be an asshole to people in his private life. But publicly, he always remained dignified, never sold stories about his personal life and never spoke ill of former associations, band members, girlfriends, wives etc.

What Mayte is doing with this book is beyond contemptible.


You are obviously taking it a bit too personal. Prince was writing his story to be sold. Same thing.
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Reply #69 posted 03/15/17 11:20am

MattyJam

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:
She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.
Since when is it up to him to decide she can make money? If money is your point I would say it's the least he could allow her to do since she didn't get any money from him in the divorce.


Making money by writing a book about your dead husband and using the tragedy of your sons passing to drum up publicity for it is morally correct in your eyes? Why should she get a dime of Prince's money? She should stop being a freeloader and get a job, like the rest of us.

Reply #70 posted 03/15/17 11:22am

rogifan

MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

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Prince never did air his dirty laundry in public. And yeah he did a hell of a lot more to justify writing a memoir. What has Mayte done other than marrying someone famous? And that's not a slam agains her. Most people aren't famous and will never write a book.
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Reply #71 posted 03/15/17 11:22am

sonshine

MattyJam said:

 



sonshine said:


laurarichardson said:
She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.

Since when is it up to him to decide she can make money? If money is your point I would say it's the least he could allow her to do since she didn't get any money from him in the divorce.


Making money by writing a book about your dead husband and using the tragedy of your sons passing to drum up publicity for it is morally correct in your eyes? Why should she get a dime of Prince's money? She should stop being a freeloader and get a job, like the rest of us.


She does work. Sheesh. So you don't think it's morally correct for anyone to receive a divorce settlement ever?
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Reply #72 posted 03/15/17 11:24am

rogifan

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

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Prince threw plenty of shade in his life and had moments that could definitely not be considered classy. Hate to burst your bubble. You don't have to defend his honor here. We are all fans regardless of what the people who really knew him have to say. That's the way I see it. I just don't understand people being personally butt hurt about this. It doesn't make logical sense.

Throwing shade is not the same as airing dirty laundry in public or writing a tell all. Has Prince ever spilled the beans on either of his marriages or really any of the women he was with?
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Reply #73 posted 03/15/17 11:25am

MattyJam

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:


Prince never publicly betrayed anyone the way Mayte is doing to him right now. I have no illusions about Prince and perfectly aware that he could be an asshole to people in his private life. But publicly, he always remained dignified, never sold stories about his personal life and never spoke ill of former associations, band members, girlfriends, wives etc.

What Mayte is doing with this book is beyond contemptible.

You are obviously taking it a bit too personal. Prince was writing his story to be sold. Same thing.


And do you really think that Prince's book would've described in graphic detail the deformities of his dead son? Of course it wouldn't have. It would've been classy, like everything else he did.

And the big difference between Prince writing a book and Mayte, is that Prince worked hard to build a name for himself and cultivated a craft which he spent years perfecting. He wasn't writing a book trading off of his association with anybody else. Mayte is a freeloader looking for an easy payday.

Reply #74 posted 03/15/17 11:27am

rogifan

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:

 



sonshine said:


MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.


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Prince threw plenty of shade in his life and had moments that could definitely not be considered classy. Hate to burst your bubble. You don't have to defend his honor here. We are all fans regardless of what the people who really knew him have to say. That's the way I see it. I just don't understand people being personally butt hurt about this. It doesn't make logical sense.


Prince never publicly betrayed anyone the way Mayte is doing to him right now. I have no illusions about Prince and perfectly aware that he could be an asshole to people in his private life. But publicly, he always remained dignified, never sold stories about his personal life and never spoke ill of former associations, band members, girlfriends, wives etc.

What Mayte is doing with this book is beyond contemptible.


You are obviously taking it a bit too personal. Prince was writing his story to be sold. Same thing.

I'm sorry Prince and Mayte are not the same thing at all. One was a world class musician/artist/celebrity/superstar. The other was just married to him for a few years.
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Reply #75 posted 03/15/17 11:29am

MattyJam

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:


Making money by writing a book about your dead husband and using the tragedy of your sons passing to drum up publicity for it is morally correct in your eyes? Why should she get a dime of Prince's money? She should stop being a freeloader and get a job, like the rest of us.

She does work. Sheesh. So you don't think it's morally correct for anyone to receive a divorce settlement ever? But yet you want to see his full autopsy report. Unreal. [Edited 3/15/17 11:26am]


I don't think it's morally correct to enter into a marriage with someone who is a millionaire, be married for five minutes, and then expect to walk away with enough money to never have to work again. Prince earned that money, not Mayte. Her brief marriage to him should not entitle her to his money. It's not as if they were married for twenty years, or she was with him before he become wealthy, or helped him attain that wealth in any way.

And I don't know what you're talking about regarding the autopsy report. I've never said I wanted to see that.


Reply #76 posted 03/15/17 11:30am

sonshine

rogifan said:

sonshine said:


Prince threw plenty of shade in his life and had moments that could definitely not be considered classy. Hate to burst your bubble. You don't have to defend his honor here. We are all fans regardless of what the people who really knew him have to say. That's the way I see it. I just don't understand people being personally butt hurt about this. It doesn't make logical sense.

Throwing shade is not the same as airing dirty laundry in public or writing a tell all. Has Prince ever spilled the beans on either of his marriages or really any of the women he was with?

I don't see her book as dirty laundry. And we will never know what Prince's book would have contained. I'm quite sure there would have been some personal information if that's what you call dirty laundry.
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Reply #77 posted 03/15/17 11:31am

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:


She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.

Since when is it up to him to decide she can make money? If money is your point I would say it's the least he could allow her to do since she didn't get any money from him in the divorce.

--She got a mansion which she sold so she got money. Also divorce laws favor women any attorney would have taken her case and she could have got half of his assets who's fault is it if she did take the proper legal steps.
Reply #78 posted 03/15/17 11:33am

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

rogifan said:


Throwing shade is not the same as airing dirty laundry in public or writing a tell all. Has Prince ever spilled the beans on either of his marriages or really any of the women he was with?

I don't see her book as dirty laundry. And we will never know what Prince's book would have contained. I'm quite sure there would have been some personal information if that's what you call dirty laundry.

--If he never said anything about these women in public why would he bother in his book which I thought was going to be about his music anyway. If you look at the full life he had the last 20 years I do not think he gave her a thought he had the next wife lined before their marriage was over.
Reply #79 posted 03/15/17 11:35am

sonshine

MattyJam said:

 



sonshine said:


MattyJam said:

 



Making money by writing a book about your dead husband and using the tragedy of your sons passing to drum up publicity for it is morally correct in your eyes? Why should she get a dime of Prince's money? She should stop being a freeloader and get a job, like the rest of us.



She does work. Sheesh. So you don't think it's morally correct for anyone to receive a divorce settlement ever? But yet you want to see his full autopsy report. Unreal. [Edited 3/15/17 11:26am]


I don't think it's morally correct to enter into a marriage with someone who is a millionaire, be married for five minutes, and then expect to walk away with enough money to never have to work again. Prince earned that money, not Mayte. Her brief marriage to him should not entitle her to his money. It's not as if they were married for twenty years, or she was with him before he become wealthy, or helped him attain that wealth in any way.

And I don't know what you're talking about regarding the autopsy report. I've never said I wanted to see that.



Well there are plenty of attorneys and judges who see it differently. And divorce is not quite that simple, nor the settlements. She would certainly gave been entitled to something legally and within the laws. (The other comment was for someone else but I deleted it after reconsidering the shitstorm it might cause)
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Reply #80 posted 03/15/17 11:37am

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:


Since when is it up to him to decide she can make money? If money is your point I would say it's the least he could allow her to do since she didn't get any money from him in the divorce.

--She got a mansion which she sold so she got money. Also divorce laws favor women any attorney would have taken her case and she could have got half of his assets who's fault is it if she did take the proper legal steps.

I would think you would give her credit for that rather than degrade her for not cashing out.
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Reply #81 posted 03/15/17 11:40am

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:


I don't see her book as dirty laundry. And we will never know what Prince's book would have contained. I'm quite sure there would have been some personal information if that's what you call dirty laundry.

--If he never said anything about these women in public why would he bother in his book which I thought was going to be about his music anyway. If you look at the full life he had the last 20 years I do not think he gave her a thought he had the next wife lined before their marriage was over.

You would think the people here judging Mayte would find that contemptable. Makes no sense how people decide what's ok and what's not.
And I'm sure he would have been pressed into dishing out some personal shit or no one would buy the book lol
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Reply #82 posted 03/15/17 11:42am

MattyJam

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:


I don't think it's morally correct to enter into a marriage with someone who is a millionaire, be married for five minutes, and then expect to walk away with enough money to never have to work again. Prince earned that money, not Mayte. Her brief marriage to him should not entitle her to his money. It's not as if they were married for twenty years, or she was with him before he become wealthy, or helped him attain that wealth in any way.

And I don't know what you're talking about regarding the autopsy report. I've never said I wanted to see that.


Well there are plenty of attorneys and judges who see it differently. And divorce is not quite that simple, nor the settlements. She would certainly gave been entitled to something legally and within the laws. (The other comment was for someone else but I deleted it after reconsidering the shitstorm it might cause)


Just because something is commonplace in law, it doesn't make it morally correct. A lawyer can convince anyone they're a victim and that they're entitled to money, alimony, compensation etc. That's their job and that's why lawyers have a bad name. It doesn't make it right morally. But people are out for themselves, and want a piece of the pie, without having lifted a finger. Lawyers love these kind of people, who are work-shy and morally bankrupt and happy to hide behind the law and delude themselves into believing that they're "entitled" to something they didn't work for.

Reply #83 posted 03/15/17 11:46am

sonshine

MattyJam said:

 



sonshine said:


MattyJam said:

 



I don't think it's morally correct to enter into a marriage with someone who is a millionaire, be married for five minutes, and then expect to walk away with enough money to never have to work again. Prince earned that money, not Mayte. Her brief marriage to him should not entitle her to his money. It's not as if they were married for twenty years, or she was with him before he become wealthy, or helped him attain that wealth in any way.

And I don't know what you're talking about regarding the autopsy report. I've never said I wanted to see that.




Well there are plenty of attorneys and judges who see it differently. And divorce is not quite that simple, nor the settlements. She would certainly gave been entitled to something legally and within the laws. (The other comment was for someone else but I deleted it after reconsidering the shitstorm it might cause)


Just because something is commonplace in law, it doesn't make it morally correct. A lawyer can convince anyone they're a victim and that they're entitled to money, alimony, compensation etc. That's their job and that's why lawyers have a bad name. It doesn't make it right morally. But people are out for themselves, and want a piece of the pie, without having lifted a finger. Lawyers love these kind of people, who are work-shy and morally bankrupt and happy to hide behind the law and delude themselves into believing that they're "entitled" to something they didn't work for.


Laws are laws for a reason. Laws are not immoral. Laws are there to protect citizens. If you don't like the way divorce laws are written that's not the divorcing party's problem. Besides i would hardly say everyone who gets a divorce settlement is morally bankrupt or work-shy. Mayte was a working member of NOG besides a supportive spouse which equals contributing to his assets.
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Reply #84 posted 03/15/17 11:47am

Identity

If he never said anything about these women in public why would he bother in his book which I thought was going to be about his music anyway. If you look at the full life he had the last 20 years I do not think he gave her a thought he had the next wife lined before their marriage was over.




Indeed, he did. But, then Mani dumped his ass and bore a child with another guy, her new husband. That's called Karma.

"Fall like lightning.''
Reply #85 posted 03/15/17 11:55am

MattyJam

sonshine said:

Laws are not immoral.

That's possibly the most naive thing I've ever read on prince.org.

Reply #86 posted 03/15/17 12:00pm

sonshine

MattyJam said:

 



sonshine said:


Laws are not immoral.

 


That's possibly the most naive thing I've ever read on prince.org.


And stating people who receive divorce settlements are morally bankrupt and work-shy isn't?
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Reply #87 posted 03/15/17 12:08pm

lavie

MattyJam said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: She has never discussed the child's birth defect in detail before but she has discussed the marriage and the fact that child had a defect before in the media do he did not stop her from speaking he stopped her from making money.

It makes me laugh when folks talk about Mayte writing this book to "heal." I guess everyone who suffers the tragedy of losing a child should just try and get a publishing deal and write a book about it then. Oh, but wait, it's only if you're married to a world-famous musician that you will get your book on the shelves.

This is not about healing. This is about money. Money. Money. Money.

Truth!

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Reply #88 posted 03/15/17 12:13pm

PennyPurple

MattyJam said:

How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.

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Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.

Reply #89 posted 03/15/17 12:13pm

sonshine

The one clear thing is that there are different opinions about the book. Some people are fine with it while some aren't. I'm ok with that. I can agree to disagree. It's not that important of an issue in my life to insist others see it my way or vice versa. Have a good day every one!
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Reply #90 posted 03/15/17 12:18pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

PennyPurple said:

 



MattyJam said:


How is this done "from love"? It is done for one thing and one thing only: money.

If this is not about cashing in and making a cheap buck off her ex-husband and dead child, then prove it, by donating 100% of the proceeds of the book to a childrens hospital, but we all know that ain't gonna happen!

Prince's memoirs are not comparable. For starters, he did more than just marry someone to justify the writing of his memoirs. Secondly, Prince was a class act, and never would've aired his dirty laundry in public. Mayte should be honest with herself, and ask herself if she truly believes Prince would be happy about her writing this book about him. I believe she knows the answer, but the ringing of $$$ sounds louder in her ear than her conscience.


[Edited 3/15/17 11:03am]



Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.






While that is very nice, I see she only has 15 animals up for adoption, a couple million or more will go a long way with that number of pets.
Reply #91 posted 03/15/17 12:18pm

MattyJam

sonshine said:

MattyJam said:

That's possibly the most naive thing I've ever read on prince.org.

And stating people who receive divorce settlements are morally bankrupt and work-shy isn't? [Edited 3/15/17 12:14pm]


Large sum divorce settlements for marriages lasting 2-3 years with no children to support? Morally bankrupt and work-shy are two descriptions that are right on the money if you ask me.

Reply #92 posted 03/15/17 12:18pm

PennyPurple

MattyJam said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said: Since when is it up to him to decide she can make money? If money is your point I would say it's the least he could allow her to do since she didn't get any money from him in the divorce.


Making money by writing a book about your dead husband and using the tragedy of your sons passing to drum up publicity for it is morally correct in your eyes? Why should she get a dime of Prince's money? She should stop being a freeloader and get a job, like the rest of us.

She did. lol She did get a job, she hasn't been a free loader, and she didn't live off of Prince's money.

.

Look, she can do what she wants. She doesn't need anyone's permission.

.

Where is all the outrage with the other people who have written books about Prince?

Reply #93 posted 03/15/17 12:19pm

rednblue

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said: He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.


Bingo.

Some people here would look at a song like "Call My Name" with the lyrics:


"Heard your voice this morning calling out my name

It had been so long since I heard it
That it didn't sound quite the same, no
But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door"

and they would say "oh, we don't know who the song is about! We can't say for sure!"

Never mind the fact that the Bridle Path is literally the neighborhood where Prince and Mani lived after they got married.

Prince wrote everything about his life in his songs. Like most songwriters.






Exactly. Whether or not people think he was correct about it, Prince described himself as an open book. Far from saying it is wrong to be an open book, he even described himself that way.

Reply #94 posted 03/15/17 12:21pm

StopIt

The level of PTSD both clearly endured during those pregnancies, the birth, death, and aftermath are SO FAR beyond what most folks will ever be able to grasp. Thank God you have no idea of what such things entail.

NO, "most people" traumatized to that degree Do Not talk to anyone, including family or therapists, at all, ever. It's a survival mechanism among other things, Hello?

Your judgment and comments are so revolting it's pitiful.

For others, please stop comparing this to the loss of a newborn, a child, a miscarriage, or other routine losses and life events generally. Their circumstances were profoundly more severe and traumatic, without getting into those graphic details. Does that even need to be said? Holy shi*.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

Most people talk about this with family or a therapist not with the media. If she wrote a book to help women get over this sort of thing that would be great but that is not what she is doing.

Also she keeps going on about the test she did not have. Does she not realize that the test would not have stopped a genetic defect and I doubt he would have wanted her to abort the baby which would have been the only thing they could have done. So what is her point? Is she blaming him for a genetic defect?

There is no love in the way she is presenting herself.

Reply #95 posted 03/15/17 12:30pm

PennyPurple

The following is a list of books about Prince, and it's not even updated, to include Hahn's book, Devin's book, or several other books.

Where is the outrage?

Where is the outrage about Sheila E.'s book?

Prince: The Man and His Music by Matt Thorne

I Would Die 4 U: Why Prin...me an Icon by Touré

Prince: Inside the Music and the Masks by Ronin Ro

Let’s Go Crazy: Prince and the Making of Purple Rain by Alan Light

Prince: Chaos, Disorder, and Revolution by Jason Draper

EXTRAS:

The Beat of My Own Drum: A Memoir by Sheila E. (Sheila E. is a famous drummer and Prince collaborator.)

Minneapolis in the Twentieth Century: The Growth of an American City by Iric Nathanson (Minneapolis is the city where Prince was born, and he lived close by for most of his life.)

Parental Advisory: Music Censorship in America by Eric Nuzum (Did you know that Tipper Gore started her war on music after catching her daughter listening to “Darling Nikki” by Prince?)

Reply #96 posted 03/15/17 12:42pm

rogifan

PennyPurple said:

The following is a list of books about Prince, and it's not even updated, to include Hahn's book, Devin's book, or several other books.


 


 


Where is the outrage?


Where is the outrage about Sheila E.'s book?


 


 


Prince: The Man and His Music by Matt Thorne


 


 


 


 


 


I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon by Touré


Prince: Inside the Music and the Masks by Ronin Ro


Let’s Go Crazy: Prince and the Making of Purple Rain by Alan Light


Prince: Chaos, Disorder, and Revolution by Jason Draper


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


EXTRAS:


The Beat of My Own Drum: A Memoir by Sheila E. (Sheila E. is a famous drummer and Prince collaborator.)


Minneapolis in the Twentieth Century: The Growth of an American City by Iric Nathanson (Minneapolis is the city where Prince was born, and he lived close by for most of his life.)


Parental Advisory: Music Censorship in America by Eric Nuzum (Did you know that Tipper Gore started her war on music after catching her daughter listening to “Darling Nikki” by Prince?)


 


Was there no outrage about Sheila's book? I know I haven't read it. Again Prince was a world famous celebrity/artist/musician. You can't compare books about him & his career (even if they do contain some personal stuff/gossip) to a book from someone who is only famous because she married him. And clearly she's using Prince and the tragedy of losing their son to sell the book.
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Reply #97 posted 03/15/17 12:43pm

StopIt

Its appropriate to include some forthcoming details she wants to share, so be it.

You know ya'll looked up images of CloverLeaf Syndrome and wiki/google pics popped-up medical photos for your curious brains to consume long ago, so stop.

Folks who think they know everything may better understand what happened to them together and individually, and wrap their small brains around the severity of the PTSD such events would set-off.

Yes, it is also his story.

They were told they may have a dwarf, and their baby was delivered with no eyelids to blink, a fused head, and clawed limbs.

Have you people birthed babies?

Have you gone through amnio decisions yourselves and weighed the risks, and sat there with someone pushing a 5 inch needle into your protuding belly when you both already know there are major problems?

Stop judging and bitc*ing, its unbecoming.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

She can tell her story, it is not just princes story, he married her so he made it her story too. I do think describing the babies appearance should have been kept private, out of respect for the child. obviously something she would discuss in detail with her loved ones, but not for any random person that may or may not give a crap. To included those details and then get paid feels wrong. She could have told the exact same story without describing the little one, and not lost any of the story. Again, it just makes me feel bad for everyone, that it all had to end like this...

Reply #98 posted 03/15/17 12:52pm

Transformed1

I don't care what OTHER PEOPLE read.

The only thing that matters is what I read or don't read. If I don't want to know, I wont read it. Why should I care if someone else wants to read it?

For those that want to read it, it's probably better to know the truth (or something close to it) than to imagine, gossip, and speculate. People are going to decide what they think happened one way or another.

I'll probably read it. I'm interested. I never thought to myself "I wish Mayte would write a book about her time with Prince", but if there's one on the shelf at the bookstore, I will read it.

All these statements that "I think it's terrible that she wrote that book" to me equal "I think it's terrible that you read that book that I dont approve of"

Get over yourself, you don't get to decide what the rest of us do, and your opinion (like mine) is just one in a couple billion, no more important than the rest.

Reply #99 posted 03/15/17 12:56pm

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

The following is a list of books about Prince, and it's not even updated, to include Hahn's book, Devin's book, or several other books.


 


 


Where is the outrage?


Where is the outrage about Sheila E.'s book?


 


 


Prince: The Man and His Music by Matt Thorne


 


 


 


 


 


I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon by Touré


Prince: Inside the Music and the Masks by Ronin Ro


Let’s Go Crazy: Prince and the Making of Purple Rain by Alan Light


Prince: Chaos, Disorder, and Revolution by Jason Draper


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


EXTRAS:


The Beat of My Own Drum: A Memoir by Sheila E. (Sheila E. is a famous drummer and Prince collaborator.)


Minneapolis in the Twentieth Century: The Growth of an American City by Iric Nathanson (Minneapolis is the city where Prince was born, and he lived close by for most of his life.)


Parental Advisory: Music Censorship in America by Eric Nuzum (Did you know that Tipper Gore started her war on music after catching her daughter listening to “Darling Nikki” by Prince?)


 


Was there no outrage about Sheila's book? I know I haven't read it. Again Prince was a world famous celebrity/artist/musician. You can't compare books about him & his career (even if they do contain some personal stuff/gossip) to a book from someone who is only famous because she married him. And clearly she's using Prince and the tragedy of losing their son to sell the book.

--There is nothing in Sheila E book we did know already as Prince only takes up 20 pages and she is a grown ass women who takes responsibility for her actions. The book is about Sheila E life in the music industry nothing to be outraged about.
Reply #100 posted 03/15/17 12:57pm

laurarichardson

Transformed1 said:

I don't care what OTHER PEOPLE read.


 


The only thing that matters is what I read or don't read. If I don't want to know, I wont read it. Why should I care if someone else wants to read it?


 


For those that want to read it, it's probably better to know the truth (or something close to it) than to imagine, gossip, and speculate. People are going to decide what they think happened one way or another.


 


I'll probably read it. I'm interested. I never thought to myself "I wish Mayte would write a book about her time with Prince", but if there's one on the shelf at the bookstore, I will read it.


 


All these statements that "I think it's terrible that she wrote that book" to me equal "I think it's terrible that you read that book that I dont approve of"


 


Get over yourself, you don't get to decide what the rest of us do, and your opinion (like mine) is just one in a couple billion, no more important than the rest.


I go not think it is terrible that people want to read it. I think it is terrible they she wrote it.
Reply #101 posted 03/15/17 1:01pm

laurarichardson

So 20 years of PTSD will be healed by writing a book and making money instead of seeking professional help? Also that was Prince's baby as well I wonder why he did not heal by writing a book?

StopIt said:

The level of PTSD both clearly endured during those pregnancies, the birth, death, and aftermath are SO FAR beyond what most folks will ever be able to grasp.  Thank God you have no idea of what such things entail.


 


NO, "most people" traumatized to that degree Do Not talk to anyone, including family or therapists, at all, ever.  It's a survival mechanism among other things, Hello?


 


Your judgment and comments are so revolting it's pitiful.


 


For others, please stop comparing this to the loss of a newborn, a child, a miscarriage, or other routine losses and life events generally.  Their circumstances were profoundly more severe and traumatic, without getting into those graphic details.  Does that even need to be said?  Holy shi*.


 


 



laurarichardson said:


 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

Most people talk about this with family or a therapist not with the media. If she wrote a book to help women get over this sort of thing that would be great but that is not what she is doing.


 


Also she keeps going on about the test she did not have. Does she not realize that the test would not have stopped a genetic defect and I doubt he would have wanted her to abort the baby which would have been the only thing they could have done. So what is her point? Is she blaming him for a genetic defect?


 


There is no love in the way she is presenting herself.



 

Reply #102 posted 03/15/17 1:09pm

fortuneandserendipity

MattyJam is triggered.

Reply #103 posted 03/15/17 1:09pm

fortuneandserendipity

Mayte Garcia has feelings too.

Reply #104 posted 03/15/17 1:16pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

sonshine said:

Which is it? Some of you have been leading the charge for more information regarding his life and death. Begging, digging, demanding, scouring for the most sensitive and personal details. Then when you get it you jump on the "give him his privacy" bandwagon. Just stop with the contradictions and hypocrisy so we can have a nice clean, focused thread for once that doesn't veer off in a number of horrible directions only to eventually land in the gutter again where it will be locked. Thank u. I'll add my own comments about the article and book in a few min.

yeahthat

I am not a Mayte apologizer..but...

Dont forget about all the people who have been begging for the autopsy to be released.

Or all the people counting down the days until the criminal investigative report

will be released along with all the gory details.

How much more personal and invasive can you get if you want to see an autopsy report, and

criminal investigative report?

If you dont want to read her book, dont buy the book, and just scroll by the org threads that discuss it.

Reply #105 posted 03/15/17 1:17pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

rogifan said:

NouveauDance said:

This is what they [tabloid media] do, the days of clutching your pearls at salacious headlines are long gone. Vote with your wallet and clicks.

Which is why I'm not buying the book, didn't click on the People link and won't click on any others.

Your clicking this thread.

Whats the difference?

Reply #106 posted 03/15/17 1:35pm

MD431Madcat

She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD!

Reply #107 posted 03/15/17 1:42pm

Genesia

MD431Madcat said:

She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD!


There's a difference between "can" and "should."

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #108 posted 03/15/17 1:58pm

PRNelson

Genesia said:

 



MD431Madcat said:


She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD! 




There's a difference between "can" and "should."




Well said.

The woman sold his love letter of marriage proposal whilst he was still here. Expect the same from the book now he's gone.
You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City
Reply #109 posted 03/15/17 1:58pm

disch

...And she has a right, I believe, to discuss her child who passed away 20 years ago, regardless of how the child's now-deceased father wanted that issue addressed. The way Prince handled that whole part of his life was atypical at best and, one could argue, cruel at worst, and to expect that Mayte should be required to adhere to his very unusual preferences for the rest of her life seems a little over the top.

MD431Madcat said:

She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD!

Reply #110 posted 03/15/17 2:12pm

laurarichardson

disch said:

...And she has a right, I believe, to discuss her child who passed away 20 years ago, regardless of how the child's now-deceased father wanted that issue addressed. The way Prince handled that whole part of his life was atypical at best and, one could argue, cruel at worst, and to expect that Mayte should be required to adhere to his very unusual preferences for the rest of her life seems a little over the top.



MD431Madcat said:


She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD! 



 


--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.
Reply #111 posted 03/15/17 2:16pm

NouveauDance

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

Which is why I'm not buying the book, didn't click on the People link and won't click on any others.

Your clicking this thread.

Whats the difference?

The difference is you buy People they get money, you click their site they get ad impressions. They don't get revenue or ad impressions from just reading this thread.

.

.

[Edited 3/15/17 14:17pm]

Reply #112 posted 03/15/17 2:17pm

tmo1965

1Sasha said:

DailyMail.Online has more of the book detailed. What its excerpts reveal is that Prince ruled the roost in that relationship (yes, I know - duh), and he refused to permit essential medical testing. Mayte was too young or too something to stand up for herself and have the testing. I wonder if today, with the same diagnosis, a couple might elect an abortion rather than go through with the pregnancy.

The amniocentesis test does nothing but let you know that there is a problem. The test is given around month 6 of a pregnancy. Given that Mayte is more than likely of the Catholic faith, she probably would not have had an abortion. Not having the test changed nothing. I have 2 kids and elected not to take the amniocentesis test both times.

Also, the Daily Mail can't seem to publish the truth. I spotted a falsehood right away. I seriously doubt that Prince adopted Mayte. lol

[Edited 3/15/17 14:45pm]

Reply #113 posted 03/15/17 2:39pm

disch

Well, we all know that he didn't discuss or even acknowledge his son publicly (which was his choice and right to do) and that he and Mayte both did that interview with Oprah where they pretended their child was still alive. There are many other stories that have been reported from "behind the scenes" (not just by Mayte), but we all know those 2 facts, and that the behavior appeared unexpected.

-

I'm not judging Prince; I'm saying that Mayte essentially went along with his preferences while Prince was alive, but if now she wants to talk more openly about her child, I think that's her right.

-

And I'm not saying Mayte is "right" or "wrong" in telling her story; in my view, a mom can talk about her child's life and death if she wants (even in a book) and that does not fall out of the bounds decent human behavior. (And as a side note, as others have noted here, it's a bit disingenuous for some orgers to insatiably want more info about P's admittedly mysterious life and death, but then rain judgment on someone who might offers that, or at least their own perspective, which is pretty much all anyone can offer anyway.)

-

<shrug> we'll just agree to disagree, sounds like. I don't have more to add in this particular discussion.

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

...And she has a right, I believe, to discuss her child who passed away 20 years ago, regardless of how the child's now-deceased father wanted that issue addressed. The way Prince handled that whole part of his life was atypical at best and, one could argue, cruel at worst, and to expect that Mayte should be required to adhere to his very unusual preferences for the rest of her life seems a little over the top.

--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Reply #114 posted 03/15/17 2:42pm

Superfan1984

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.

While that is very nice, I see she only has 15 animals up for adoption, a couple million or more will go a long way with that number of pets.

Uhmmmm... that is some bull.... Mayte has been helping dogs for years- MANY MANY of them. Not only 15 dogs. I haven't read through this whole thread yet but no one should act like she doesn't really help animals- she does and that is wonderful. I love Prince but if he were so great, he would have had a will and left a huge chunk of it to her animal rescue. Animals matter. They have no voice. They are sick, hungry, and abused and no one should ever try and negate what she does for animals.

Reply #115 posted 03/15/17 2:59pm

TheDigitalGardener

Quick glance through this thread and fuck that. I like Mayte, I always have, hell I even thought her album was good. I thought the pre-pub was ok and I'll be buying the finished book too.

Do you have it in green?
Reply #116 posted 03/15/17 3:02pm

Nanni

rogifan said:

What Prince thinks of this book and all the tabloid headlines to come: 17308837_1645742228774437_7562313701068710061_n.jpg?oh=467372f475a31d4620dba706b9bea1ce&oe=592FFCFB

yeahthat

He would say:

Reply #117 posted 03/15/17 3:18pm

rogifan

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

 



rogifan said:


NouveauDance said:

This is what they [tabloid media] do, the days of clutching your pearls at salacious headlines are long gone. Vote with your wallet and clicks.



Which is why I'm not buying the book, didn't click on the People link and won't click on any others.

Your clicking this thread.


Whats the difference?


And once this thread starts discussing the book in detail I'll stop posting in it. I'm not reading her book or any of the tabloid excerpts.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #118 posted 03/15/17 3:18pm

morningsong

Did the thread for the People article disappear?

Anyway, read that, I can see myself buying the book, I feel better about it. And for the one personal thing about herself in the article, my prayers are with her.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #119 posted 03/15/17 3:26pm

MD431Madcat

PT 2!

MD431Madcat said:

She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD!

Reply #120 posted 03/15/17 3:29pm

endiadj

Superfan1984 said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.



While that is very nice, I see she only has 15 animals up for adoption, a couple million or more will go a long way with that number of pets.

Uhmmmm... that is some bull.... Mayte has been helping dogs for years- MANY MANY of them. Not only 15 dogs. I haven't read through this whole thread yet but no one should act like she doesn't really help animals- she does and that is wonderful. I love Prince but if he were so great, he would have had a will and left a huge chunk of it to her animal rescue. Animals matter. They have no voice. They are sick, hungry, and abused and no one should ever try and negate what she does for animals.


Because all of the other charitable work he did (without wanting fanfare for it) doesn't make him a good person, right?
Reply #121 posted 03/15/17 3:40pm

purplerabbithole

Exactly. He gave millions to charity without fanfare. And much of his charitable contributions were to CHILDREN.

endiadj said:

Superfan1984 said:

Uhmmmm... that is some bull.... Mayte has been helping dogs for years- MANY MANY of them. Not only 15 dogs. I haven't read through this whole thread yet but no one should act like she doesn't really help animals- she does and that is wonderful. I love Prince but if he were so great, he would have had a will and left a huge chunk of it to her animal rescue. Animals matter. They have no voice. They are sick, hungry, and abused and no one should ever try and negate what she does for animals.

Because all of the other charitable work he did (without wanting fanfare for it) doesn't make him a good person, right?

Reply #122 posted 03/15/17 3:49pm

mynameisnotsusan

I've yet to find a book about Prince that hasn't made me go 'meh'
Positive, negative, whatever I just wish there were some better writers who were engaging and telling a compelling story. They all end up just being projections of whatever there own agenda may be - mostly I find them dull.
Reply #123 posted 03/15/17 3:54pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:
Was there no outrage about Sheila's book? I know I haven't read it. Again Prince was a world famous celebrity/artist/musician. You can't compare books about him & his career (even if they do contain some personal stuff/gossip) to a book from someone who is only famous because she married him. And clearly she's using Prince and the tragedy of losing their son to sell the book.
--There is nothing in Sheila E book we did know already as Prince only takes up 20 pages and she is a grown ass women who takes responsibility for her actions. The book is about Sheila E life in the music industry nothing to be outraged about.

And this book is about Mayte. I'm sure just about everything in Mayte's book has already been discussed on this very forum, and I'll bet that you were involved in the discussions. The baby, the aspirin overdose, the women, etc....

.

Mayte is also a grown woman who takes responsibility for her actions. So there is basically no difference between Mayte writing her book, or Sheila E's book.

Reply #124 posted 03/15/17 3:59pm

SweetKathleen

1. Mayte has the right to write a book about her experiences.

2. Mayte has the right to make money and support her family

3. Mayte was still a child when she became involved in Prince's life--she was not on equal footing with him, she put up with a lot of cr*p, went through a horrible tragedy and still she worked and contributed a great deal to Prince's life and career.

4. I preordered the book a few days ago and am looking forward to learning more about their life together.

5. A select few posters here are routinely and doggedly negative. It's a real drag. Have you had your plus sign today?

I miss you my friend --jj, me, and many others
Reply #125 posted 03/15/17 3:59pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

Superfan1984 said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.



While that is very nice, I see she only has 15 animals up for adoption, a couple million or more will go a long way with that number of pets.

Uhmmmm... that is some bull.... Mayte has been helping dogs for years- MANY MANY of them. Not only 15 dogs. I haven't read through this whole thread yet but no one should act like she doesn't really help animals- she does and that is wonderful. I love Prince but if he were so great, he would have had a will and left a huge chunk of it to her animal rescue. Animals matter. They have no voice. They are sick, hungry, and abused and no one should ever try and negate what she does for animals.






Actually that is not bull, that is a fact. If you go to her "maytes rescue" page there are 15 animals up for adoption. I totally agree that animals matter, over 4 million domestic animals are killed each year in this country, and I appreciate maytes efforts in the rescue world, however it is not cool to say the proceeds from your multi million dollar book are going to your animal rescue, when you only have 15 animals available to adopt, that is misleading the consumer.
Reply #126 posted 03/15/17 3:59pm

purplerabbithole

First sorry to hear about her MS diagnosis.

Secondly,

I don't mind her talking about her time with Prince in a book.

However, her tactics are kind of questionable--the year anniversary, and allowing that godawful magazine cover and the details about Ahmir's physical appearance to be the tidbits that sell the book. (intimate descriptions of a deformed baby being cherry picked for a magazine article in order to promote the book. Including them in the book isn't the problem. Using those details as juicy enticement for people to buy the book--that's disturbing,.)

As for Prince...I am going to defend him because someone has to. I don't agree with him not "allowing" the testing (although I understand the fear he had of miscarriage). That being said, a 22 year old woman should be able to advocate better for herself..If she wasn't willing to make decisions like that then someone had to and that just leaves the father/husband to do so.. She had a mother, she had a father, she had friends...any of them could have stepped up for her and had her back if she wanted to get the test. The truth is not she probably just went along with his decision because he convinced her. I feel for her, but he wasn't necessarily as strong as people think. He had his issues and any number of sensible people (who weren't enamored by his fame) could have stood up to him.

I do not mind Mayte inferring that perhaps P was sneaking drugs. There is no way Prince didn't have physical and emotional pain back then. I don't doubt that he sincerely hated drugs and didn't want anyone he knew to be on them..he probably thought drugs were a hedonistic sin,,..thus the reason he would hide his drug usage (even if it was legit and just for pain at some point) from people he loves. He probably hated that he took them and that just makes me feel pity for him because he dealt with his problems alone..tragic.

As for the need of Mayte to talk about her loss. If Prince told her she couldn't see a therapist/psychologist or couldn't talk to her friends/family about it, then yes, he was being a controlling asshole. But not wanting their shared pain told to the world, that's normal. ..Writing a book about this subject to be published and then read by millions is not about healing. I don't know maybe Mayte (to give her the benefit of the doubt) did it to humanize Prince to the world. But her own healing process is not improved by telling judgemental strangers about the painful parts of her life. What psychologist would recommend public exposure on a massive scale to deal with pain of loss?

Prince in that interview with Oprah looked distraught. Despite the bad decision he made or the falseness of the whole proceedings, he was obviously a miserable man. Hell, the interview with Gumbel before it took a turn for the humorous was difficult to watch. Something about Prince's eyes...GOD, they looked sad. Sidenote: Prince mentioned his two personalities during that Oprah interview and stated he discovered his dual nature while walking someone else through therapy...Maybe he was talking about therapy for himself and Mayte. I think he probably was.

[Edited 3/15/17 17:07pm]

Reply #127 posted 03/15/17 4:00pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

...And she has a right, I believe, to discuss her child who passed away 20 years ago, regardless of how the child's now-deceased father wanted that issue addressed. The way Prince handled that whole part of his life was atypical at best and, one could argue, cruel at worst, and to expect that Mayte should be required to adhere to his very unusual preferences for the rest of her life seems a little over the top.

--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Laura, we all know you aren't going to read the book. You don't have to, but why do you keep commenting on a topic that you hate? She has every right to tell her story. If you think she shouldn't have wrote the book because it's too personal about Prince, then why are you combing thru all the court documents and reporting on them on the forum? Now that's just as personal......

Reply #128 posted 03/15/17 4:06pm

Genesia

mynameisnotsusan said:

I've yet to find a book about Prince that hasn't made me go 'meh'
Positive, negative, whatever I just wish there were some better writers who were engaging and telling a compelling story. They all end up just being projections of whatever there own agenda may be - mostly I find them dull.


Mayte's book is as poorly written as the others. I suspect she got paid by the adjective/adverb.
I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #129 posted 03/15/17 4:11pm

Camille10

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

 



sonshine said:


Which is it? Some of you have been leading the charge for more information regarding his life and death. Begging, digging, demanding, scouring for the most sensitive and personal details. Then when you get it you jump on the "give him his privacy" bandwagon. Just stop with the contradictions and hypocrisy so we can have a nice clean, focused thread for once that doesn't veer off in a number of horrible directions only to eventually land in the gutter again where it will be locked. Thank u. I'll add my own comments about the article and book in a few min.

yeahthat


I am not a Mayte apologizer..but...


Dont forget about all the people who have been begging for the autopsy to be released.


Or all the people counting down the days until the criminal investigative report


will be released along with all the gory details.


How much more personal and invasive can you get if you want to see an autopsy report, and


criminal investigative report?


If you dont want to read her book, dont buy the book, and just scroll by the org threads that discuss it.


 


yeahthatI ordered the book. I am glad she wrote it, too many secrets in this man's life that probably lead to his death way to soon
Reply #130 posted 03/15/17 4:20pm

willowcb

SweetKathleen said:

1. Mayte has the right to write a book about her experiences.

2. Mayte has the right to make money and support her family

3. Mayte was still a child when she became involved in Prince's life--she was not on equal footing with him, she put up with a lot of cr*p, went through a horrible tragedy and still she worked and contributed a great deal to Prince's life and career.

4. I preordered the book a few days ago and am looking forward to learning more about their life together.

5. A select few posters here are routinely and doggedly negative. It's a real drag. Have you had your plus sign today?

So agree with this. I really look forward to reading about her life as a wife, mother and entertainer.

I can't wait to read it and she has just as much right to earn money on a book as anyone else.

Reply #131 posted 03/15/17 4:35pm

GimmeThat

I love, love, love Prince (just like most of the people on the org). I do believe that Mayte should be able to tell her story. I don't think he would like it, but he's gone. She's still with us and she shared a life with him.
2 sevens together
Reply #132 posted 03/15/17 4:55pm

TurnItUp

I want to keep Mayte in my prayers.(sweet girl) I just read where she was recently diagnosed with MS.

Reply #133 posted 03/15/17 5:04pm

PurpleMedley122

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

...And she has a right, I believe, to discuss her child who passed away 20 years ago, regardless of how the child's now-deceased father wanted that issue addressed. The way Prince handled that whole part of his life was atypical at best and, one could argue, cruel at worst, and to expect that Mayte should be required to adhere to his very unusual preferences for the rest of her life seems a little over the top.



MD431Madcat said:


She has the right to tell her story.. PERIOD! 



 


--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Seriously? Considering what we know now, pretty strange (some would say cruel to his wife, who was going through possibly the worst thing a new mother should experience). Here are his actions after his child's death:

-Went on Oprah and declared "it's all good! Never mind what you hear!"
-Went on the Today Show and declared "Our family exists!"
-Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy
-Was already beginning to ditch Mayte for Mani

Those are 4 examples.
[Edited 3/15/17 17:06pm]
Reply #134 posted 03/15/17 5:09pm

purplerabbithole

I wish her the best. But she is not a "girl". She is a 43 year old woman.

TurnItUp said:

I want to keep Mayte in my prayers.(sweet girl) I just read where she was recently diagnosed with MS.

Reply #135 posted 03/15/17 5:09pm

GimmeThat

TurnItUp said:

I want to keep Mayte in my prayers.(sweet girl) I just read where she was recently diagnosed with MS.


Oh no! I did not know that. That is terrible.
2 sevens together
Reply #136 posted 03/15/17 5:14pm

purplerabbithole

And we have no idea why he did those things. So maybe we should figure out why.

I believe the first three had to do with his healing process (which involved his belief in the spirit of his son being reincarnated in subsequent pregnancies ) and with the fact that the press was already talking about the pregnancy and rumors around it.

The last one could be for a number of reasons we don't know. IN 1996? he was already ditching Mayte? Do we know this for sure? They were married until 1999.

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:
--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.
Seriously? Considering what we know now, pretty strange (some would say cruel to his wife, who was going through possibly the worst thing a new mother should experience). Here are his actions after his child's death: -Went on Oprah and declared "it's all good! Never mind what you hear!" -Went on the Today Show and declared "Our family exists!" -Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy -Was already beginning to ditch Mayte for Mani Those are 4 examples. [Edited 3/15/17 17:06pm]

Reply #137 posted 03/15/17 5:15pm

PennyPurple

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:
--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.
Seriously? Considering what we know now, pretty strange (some would say cruel to his wife, who was going through possibly the worst thing a new mother should experience). Here are his actions after his child's death: -Went on Oprah and declared "it's all good! Never mind what you hear!" -Went on the Today Show and declared "Our family exists!" -Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy -Was already beginning to ditch Mayte for Mani Those are 4 examples. [Edited 3/15/17 17:06pm]

And while they were on Oprah, he did all the talking about the baby, while Mayte was trying to hold it all in, and you can clearly see how emotional she was.

Reply #138 posted 03/15/17 5:27pm

Iamtheorg

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

disch said: --And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Laura, we all know you aren't going to read the book..

Dont believe that for a seond. She is going to read that book many times over, trust.

Reply #139 posted 03/15/17 5:32pm

StopIt

Actually, wrong, he did write and sell product regarding this child, so he did use and sell his experience also. But its ok if he did, huh.

Reply #140 posted 03/15/17 5:37pm

purplerabbithole

The Comeback song is vague, tasteful, moving and buried deep within a boxset in a disk that was only available to people who purchased Crystal Ball online.

As for songs about the pregnancy, they weren't about his death.

I have no problem with Mayte writing about her son's death but she should have done more tastefully and we should not be angry at Prince for wanting his privacy. She could have talked to her mother, a psychiatrist...not a bunch of random strangers.

StopIt said:

Actually, wrong, he did write and sell product regarding this child, so he did use and sell his experience also. But its ok if he did, huh.

Reply #141 posted 03/15/17 5:46pm

rogifan

I haven't read any Prince books. The only one I ever would have red was his and sadly that will never happen.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #142 posted 03/15/17 5:49pm

fortuneandserendipity

I wonder if this picture is in the book? biggrin



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Reply #143 posted 03/15/17 5:50pm

fortuneandserendipity

Or these ones... lurking


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Reply #144 posted 03/15/17 5:52pm

BillieBalloon

fortuneandserendipity said:

I wonder if this picture is in the book? biggrin





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Does that say Jesus on her ass?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #145 posted 03/15/17 5:53pm

kingricefan

Mayte has every right to have her story told. My God, people, how can you be so judgemental about her? Can you even imagine the amount of pain that both she and Prince went through with the death of their first born child? To have this happen to a couple who were in the public eye and have the media frenzy to deal with on top of their baby's death? Do any of you remember that a criminal investigation was started for the simple fact that the wrong time of death was listed on the death certificate? So, not only has your first born child died, now you have to deal with the media and an official investigation on top of it all. Both Prince and Mayte were raked over the coals for weeks. It's no wonder that Prince wouldn't acknowledge the passing of their child. And Mayte wasn't allowed to talk about it either? No wonder she still suffers. It's no wonder that their marriage crumbled after this all happened. Could any of you survive intact with all of this? By the way, the book was supposed to be released last year, but the publishers requested that it be 'delayed' until its current release date. Mayte probably had no choice but to go along with their request. So she's going to make some money from it? Big deal. We all need money to survive. Money doesn't take away the pain that she must feel. I hope she doesn't ever come on here and read what some of you have written. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I really doubt that Prince would approve of what has been thrown Mayte's way, even if he wouldn't approve of her book. The money might make her life a little easier, but she still lives with her pain. Her first child was born with defects and died. Have some respect for her pain. Live for love. Walk in someone else's shoes.

Reply #146 posted 03/15/17 5:56pm

BillieBalloon

fortuneandserendipity said:

Or these ones... lurking


 



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eek

Are you serious?

Shes wearing Ps underwear!!

I can really see the look of love on her face there.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #147 posted 03/15/17 5:59pm

fortuneandserendipity

BillieBalloon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Or these ones... lurking


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eek Are you serious? Shes wearing Ps underwear!! I can really see the look of love on her face there.


Old flame, ya see... Never forget touched

Reply #148 posted 03/15/17 6:00pm

fortuneandserendipity

BillieBalloon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I wonder if this picture is in the book? biggrin



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Does that say Jesus on her ass?

Yes God is love. And I love her butt smile

Reply #149 posted 03/15/17 6:02pm

bilbolives

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_EX_WIFE_BABY_MNOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on the People magazine excerpt of Mayte's memoir.

Reply #150 posted 03/15/17 6:04pm

tab32792

I really wish "fans" would stop whining and bitching about this. It's their life too. They can do what they want; even more so cause he is no longer here. Experiences are shared, 2 way. Prince chose not to share his experiences out loud. That doesn't mean everybody else has to. Not to mention she was his wife and mother of his child; fully realized or not. He was her first love or whatever. Her first as far as a lot of things are concerned. It's like people feel entitled to be able to tell others what they should or shouldn't do when it comes to him. Just like they did him when he was alive. Most people complaining don't even know him other than the music or appearances. Don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

Reply #151 posted 03/15/17 6:05pm

tab32792

Militant said:

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



couldn't have said it better myself

Reply #152 posted 03/15/17 6:06pm

BillieBalloon

fortuneandserendipity said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


fortuneandserendipity said:

Or these ones... lurking


 



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eek Are you serious? Shes wearing Ps underwear!! I can really see the look of love on her face there.


Old flame, ya see... Never forget touched




I dont think this pic is in the book. Maybe she should have made it the cover?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #153 posted 03/15/17 6:07pm

petalthecat

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Superfan1984 said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.



While that is very nice, I see she only has 15 animals up for adoption, a couple million or more will go a long way with that number of pets.

Uhmmmm... that is some bull.... Mayte has been helping dogs for years- MANY MANY of them. Not only 15 dogs. I haven't read through this whole thread yet but no one should act like she doesn't really help animals- she does and that is wonderful. I love Prince but if he were so great, he would have had a will and left a huge chunk of it to her animal rescue. Animals matter. They have no voice. They are sick, hungry, and abused and no one should ever try and negate what she does for animals.






Actually that is not bull, that is a fact. If you go to her "maytes rescue" page there are 15 animals up for adoption. I totally agree that animals matter, over 4 million domestic animals are killed each year in this country, and I appreciate maytes efforts in the rescue world, however it is not cool to say the proceeds from your multi million dollar book are going to your animal rescue, when you only have 15 animals available to adopt, that is misleading the consumer.

I'm pretty sure some animals go to foster before they're up for adoption. And I'm almost positive I read a few months back that the book proceeds were going towards building a new larger rescue centre.
There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #154 posted 03/15/17 6:19pm

benni

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years.

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience. Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about. For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone. You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here." Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures. However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him. He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more. So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too. Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more. I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time.

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate. I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else. He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so? He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so? To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.

Reply #155 posted 03/15/17 6:21pm

rogifan

If this was Mani releasing a book I wonder how many here would be defending her. My guess is not many (including me).
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #156 posted 03/15/17 6:24pm

BillieBalloon

Militant said:


Hey all!





This is the official thread regarding discussing Mayte's book. 





Some of you have asked why older threads were removed. 





The reason is that we were asked by Mayte's publishers to not have discussions regarding the leaked manuscript as this was not representative of the final book. We were attempting to get a statement from them.


However, as of today - promotional copies have been sent to the media and reviewers, and the marketing campaign by the publishing company has begun, so we can begin discussion officially without risking upsetting anyone. 





Please keep discussion civil - flaming will not be tolerated. 





As the book will inevitably discuss drug references, Ben and the entire staff team have decided that we are sunsetting the "no drugs" rule that we originally intended to follow until April 21st. As long as this conversation is dealt with in a civil manner. Basically, if we can all agree to be adults here, then everything will be OK. We mods have a difficult enough job and we don't need things descending into anarchy.

P.S - The reason this thread is not in Associated Artists is because the book is directly about her life with Prince, and even if we put the thread over there we'd end up with a million new topics about it here.  





Have you read the book?
What drug references are there?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #157 posted 03/15/17 6:24pm

tab32792

benni said:

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years.

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience. Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about. For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone. You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here." Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures. However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him. He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more. So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too. Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more. I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time.

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate. I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else. He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so? He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so? To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.

i loved the bold and underlined part. LOVED. exactly how i feel.

Reply #158 posted 03/15/17 6:27pm

BillieBalloon

benni said:

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research.  I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public. 

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years. 

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience.  Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about.  For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone.  You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here."  Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures.  However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him.  He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more.  So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too.  Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more.  I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time. 

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate.  I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else.  He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so?  He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so?  To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.




Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #159 posted 03/15/17 6:32pm

laurarichardson

tab32792 said:

 



benni said:


Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research.  I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public. 

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years. 

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience.  Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about.  For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone.  You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here."  Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures.  However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him.  He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more.  So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too.  Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more.  I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time. 

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate.  I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else.  He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so?  He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so?  To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.



i loved the bold and underlined part. LOVED. exactly how i feel. 


Wow Prince is not here and does not matter but everybody can make money off of him. I am glad we are keeping it classy.
Reply #160 posted 03/15/17 6:33pm

benni

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years.

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience. Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about. For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone. You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here." Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures. However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him. He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more. So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too. Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more. I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time.

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate. I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else. He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so? He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so? To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.

Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.


It's definitely already bringing awareness to the condition. Which, imho, is a good thing. The news articles that are listed have mentioned the condition and one even went so far as to explain the 3 degrees of Pfeiffer Syndrome. The more awareness brought to this condition, the more it will help with generating funding for research and education.

My own condition is so rare that they don't know what causes it. They know it is hereditary (both my mother and grandmother died at young ages from the condition - my grandma was 25, my mom was 29). I've lived with it for over 30 years now, and they still don't know what causes it. It kills more people annually than AIDS, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and motor vehicle accidents in the UK and US combined, but it gets less research funding than breast cancer alone. I imagine that it's even worse for Pfeiffer Syndrome.

Reply #161 posted 03/15/17 6:33pm

purplerabbithole

According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years.

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience. Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about. For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone. You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here." Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures. However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him. He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more. So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too. Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more. I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time.

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate. I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else. He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so? He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so? To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.

Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.

Reply #162 posted 03/15/17 6:33pm

benni

tab32792 said:

benni said:

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research. I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public.

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years.

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience. Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about. For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone. You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here." Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures. However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him. He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more. So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too. Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more. I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time.

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate. I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else. He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so? He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so? To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.

i loved the bold and underlined part. LOVED. exactly how i feel.


Thank you. hug

Reply #163 posted 03/15/17 6:33pm

laurarichardson

endiadj said:

Superfan1984 said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Well....actually I seen where the proceeds from Mayte's book is going to her animal rescue.



While that is very nice, I see she only has 15 animals up for adoption, a couple million or more will go a long way with that number of pets.

Uhmmmm... that is some bull.... Mayte has been helping dogs for years- MANY MANY of them. Not only 15 dogs. I haven't read through this whole thread yet but no one should act like she doesn't really help animals- she does and that is wonderful. I love Prince but if he were so great, he would have had a will and left a huge chunk of it to her animal rescue. Animals matter. They have no voice. They are sick, hungry, and abused and no one should ever try and negate what she does for animals.


Because all of the other charitable work he did (without wanting fanfare for it) doesn't make him a good person, right?

Well you know getting a kid treatment for cancer is not as important as trashing someone to save animals.
Reply #164 posted 03/15/17 6:35pm

benni

purplerabbithole said:

According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.


To support her and her child. She does work. But I can tell you that it is not easy to be a single mother in this economy. Would you begrudge her for trying to make money to support her and her child, as well as her animal rescue?

Reply #165 posted 03/15/17 6:39pm

benni

laurarichardson said:

tab32792 said:

i loved the bold and underlined part. LOVED. exactly how i feel.

Wow Prince is not here and does not matter but everybody can make money off of him. I am glad we are keeping it classy.


laurarichardson, you don't like Mayte. You have made that very well known. Anyone can read your posts and see that. She is not making money off of him. Making money off of him would be her using him. She is making money off of her story, a part of her life, which he happened to share.

As for it not healing her by writing about it. Speaking from a therapeutic standpoint, I can tell you sincerely, that writing about the traumas we endure in life can be very healing and therapeutic. More so sometimes than just talking about it with family members or close friends, or even a therapist, because when you talk about it, you can close down your feelings and hide the pain, but when you are writing about it, you open yourself to those emotions on a much deeper level and it helps the brain to process the trauma.

Reply #166 posted 03/15/17 6:40pm

BillieBalloon

purplerabbithole said:

According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?


 


 



BillieBalloon said:


benni said:

Hopefully, by writing about her experience, she will bring more attention to Pfeiffer Syndrome which will go a long way towards getting funding for research.  I can tell you from experience that living with a condition that has little to no research, education, talking about it, and bringing attention to the condition goes a long ways towards research facilities getting grants for vital research and education to the general public. 

For the one that said she only has 15 pets on her site, if you go through her instagram posts you can see pictures of all the animals she has helped over the years. 

As for whether or not Mayte should write about Prince, it was her experience.  Prince is no longer with us to say what he would or would not want spoken about.  For all those that are condemning Mayte for writing, who is to say that Prince didn't tell her, "You can write about it after I'm gone.  You can tell our story and talk about our son, after I'm not here."  Yes, Prince was private in life, we are all aware of that and the non-disclosures.  However, I truly believe one of the reasons that Prince didn't have will is because he knew that when that day came, he wouldn't care what happened to his art, or what people would say about him.  He knew that he would be in a space/time/place in which the worldly would not matter any more.  So, the only people that it bothers are those that are projecting their feelings onto Prince and thinking Prince would feel this way too.  Yes, he might if he were still with us; but since he is not, Prince really doesn't care any more.  I hate to be so blunt, but I hate all the negativity that people are dishing out all the time. 

Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate.  I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else.  He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so?  He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so?  To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.



Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.

 




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Reply #167 posted 03/15/17 6:41pm

GimmeThat

benni said:

 



purplerabbithole said:


According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?


 


 



BillieBalloon said:


benni said: Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.

 




To support her and her child.  She does work.  But I can tell you that it is not easy to be a single mother in this economy.  Would you begrudge her for trying to make money to support her and her child, as well as her animal rescue? 


Word.
I don't understand why she shouldn't make money from selling a book that tells her story.
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Reply #168 posted 03/15/17 6:42pm

laurarichardson

purplerabbithole said:

And we have no idea why he did those things. So maybe we should figure out why.


 


I believe the first three had to do with his healing process (which involved his belief in the spirit of his son being reincarnated in subsequent pregnancies )  and with the fact that the press was already talking about the pregnancy and rumors around it.


 


The last one could be for a number of reasons we don't know. IN 1996? he was already ditching Mayte? Do we know this for sure? They were married until 1999.


 


 



PurpleMedley122 said:


laurarichardson said:
--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Seriously? Considering what we know now, pretty strange (some would say cruel to his wife, who was going through possibly the worst thing a new mother should experience). Here are his actions after his child's death: -Went on Oprah and declared "it's all good! Never mind what you hear!" -Went on the Today Show and declared "Our family exists!" -Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy -Was already beginning to ditch Mayte for Mani Those are 4 examples. [Edited 3/15/17 17:06pm]

 


Has it ever occurred to you that these promotional appearances were already planned in advance. He was already signed to a new lable at the time and already had a rep for being difficult my guess is he could not get out of the promotional apperance and let's face it he was old school the show goes on no matter what. I also do not understand why people would expect him to get in national T.V and discuss the death of his child to me that would have been cruel. I also do not understand Mayte did not refuse to participate if it was upsetting her because she did look upset on Oprah, Today show, or in the video. He pushed on and went to work a practice he continued right to his grave. In the end you have no idea about his grief process.
[Edited 3/15/17 18:54pm]
Reply #169 posted 03/15/17 6:43pm

laurarichardson

Matye did not show up on the scence until 1998 so no comment is wrong.

said:

And we have no idea why he did those things. So maybe we should figure out why.


 


I believe the first three had to do with his healing process (which involved his belief in the spirit of his son being reincarnated in subsequent pregnancies )  and with the fact that the press was already talking about the pregnancy and rumors around it.


 


The last one could be for a number of reasons we don't know. IN 1996? he was already ditching Mayte? Do we know this for sure? They were married until 1999.


 


 



PurpleMedley122 said:


laurarichardson said:
--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Seriously? Considering what we know now, pretty strange (some would say cruel to his wife, who was going through possibly the worst thing a new mother should experience). Here are his actions after his child's death: -Went on Oprah and declared "it's all good! Never mind what you hear!" -Went on the Today Show and declared "Our family exists!" -Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy -Was already beginning to ditch Mayte for Mani Those are 4 examples. [Edited 3/15/17 17:06pm]

 

Reply #170 posted 03/15/17 6:47pm

PennyPurple

Just pre-ordered the book from Barnes & Noble. $18.41 the signed copies were also $18.41 but were already sold out.

Reply #171 posted 03/15/17 6:52pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:


disch said:

...And she has a right, I believe, to discuss her child who passed away 20 years ago, regardless of how the child's now-deceased father wanted that issue addressed. The way Prince handled that whole part of his life was atypical at best and, one could argue, cruel at worst, and to expect that Mayte should be required to adhere to his very unusual preferences for the rest of her life seems a little over the top.


 



--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.

Laura, we all know you aren't going to read the book. You don't have to, but why do you keep commenting on a topic that you hate? She has every right to tell her story. If you think she shouldn't have wrote the book because it's too personal about Prince, then why are you combing thru all the court documents and reporting on them on the forum? Now that's just as personal.....


--Court docs are public we do not have secret courts in America and anyone who goes to court knows this and no one has to comb for anything and all of the finacial info has been redacted so we really do not know that much. Medical files are private in this country. I could have read the book 4 weeks ago as there is a bootlegg copy out. Some of you do not venture off of this board but if you did you would find out about minions she has working on her behalf. It has gotten nasty and I decided to speak out. My choice.
[Edited 3/15/17 18:53pm]
Reply #172 posted 03/15/17 6:53pm

BillieBalloon

GimmeThat said:

benni said:

 



purplerabbithole said:


According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?


 


 



BillieBalloon said:


benni said: Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.

 




To support her and her child.  She does work.  But I can tell you that it is not easy to be a single mother in this economy.  Would you begrudge her for trying to make money to support her and her child, as well as her animal rescue? 


Word.
I don't understand why she shouldn't make money from selling a book that tells her story.



What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #173 posted 03/15/17 6:57pm

PennyPurple

benni said:


It's definitely already bringing awareness to the condition. Which, imho, is a good thing. The news articles that are listed have mentioned the condition and one even went so far as to explain the 3 degrees of Pfeiffer Syndrome. The more awareness brought to this condition, the more it will help with generating funding for research and education.

My own condition is so rare that they don't know what causes it. They know it is hereditary (both my mother and grandmother died at young ages from the condition - my grandma was 25, my mom was 29). I've lived with it for over 30 years now, and they still don't know what causes it. It kills more people annually than AIDS, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and motor vehicle accidents in the UK and US combined, but it gets less research funding than breast cancer alone. I imagine that it's even worse for Pfeiffer Syndrome.

I agree benni. My husband suffers from a rare spinal cord / brain disease. Never heard anything about it before. It was so rare at the time that the Dr and Radiologist diagnosed it correctly and then changed their diagnoses because they couldn't believe it. The more these diseases are brought to the forefront, and with social media these days, people are becoming more aware of these diseases.

Reply #174 posted 03/15/17 6:59pm

Superfan1984

rogifan said:

If this was Mani releasing a book I wonder how many here would be defending her. My guess is not many (including me).

Interesting that Shelby is promoting Mayte's book but not a word from Mani. They're suppossed to be friends. confused

Reply #175 posted 03/15/17 6:59pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

tab32792 said:

i loved the bold and underlined part. LOVED. exactly how i feel.

Wow Prince is not here and does not matter but everybody can make money off of him. I am glad we are keeping it classy.

Just like SheilaE, The Revoultion, Mani and her schools with Prince's name (and money). And all the others who have written books. Sheila is even using his symbol.

Reply #176 posted 03/15/17 7:02pm

luv4u

Moderator

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Not buying/reading any magazines nor buying/reading the book either.

I would rather remember Prince as he was. Honour and Respect.

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Reply #177 posted 03/15/17 7:03pm

PennyPurple

purplerabbithole said:

According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?

It goes to her & there should be NO problem with that. Where does SheilaE's money go to that she earns off of Prince? Where does the money go for everyone else who writes a book about Prince? Do you think that they donate even a portion of that?

Reply #178 posted 03/15/17 7:07pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Laura, we all know you aren't going to read the book. You don't have to, but why do you keep commenting on a topic that you hate? She has every right to tell her story. If you think she shouldn't have wrote the book because it's too personal about Prince, then why are you combing thru all the court documents and reporting on them on the forum? Now that's just as personal......

--Court docs are public we do not have secret courts in America and anyone who goes to court knows this and no one has to comb for anything and all of the finacial info has been redacted so we really do not know that much. Medical files are private in this country. I could have read the book 4 weeks ago as there is a bootlegg copy out. Some of you do not venture off of this board but if you did you would find out about minions she has working on her behalf. It has gotten nasty and I decided to speak out. My choice. [Edited 3/15/17 18:53pm]

And Mayte's book is public. Her life doesn't have to be kept a secret anymore.

Reply #179 posted 03/15/17 7:08pm

benni

BillieBalloon said:

GimmeThat said:
Word. I don't understand why she shouldn't make money from selling a book that tells her story.
What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.

Reply #180 posted 03/15/17 7:08pm

purplerabbithole

Did anyone read the Daily Mail accounts of this book? P is not coming off well at all. I am not saying these flaws aren't real but I do believe that the DM got a hold of the manuscript and cherry-picked the worst tidbits of the book and placed them in the article...leaving out anything approaching nuance, warmth or sympathy.

I do think Prince shouldn't have been a guardian for a sexy 16 year old but I do believe nothing happened right away and that the DM is kind of leaving out the fact that she worked for him as a dancer (so being fined for weight gain, living in his house, and being under his guardianship--although certainly controlling, were also a product of her time as an employee of his.) Plus, the parents could have stepped in at any time to rescue their daughter if it were that bad. They didn't turn on Prince until he dumped her. So he must have been treading pretty lightly in the beginning--at least I hope so. If not, then her parents need to be held up to scrutiny as well.

Reply #181 posted 03/15/17 7:10pm

disch

I think when the other party is dead (I mean Prince here) what he "might want" doesn't carry as much weight anymore. Sort of the nature of death, it seems.

-

As for describing her child's appearance, I read the People excerpt and through the description, while incredible sad, was tasteful and not overly lurid. (I don't know what the rest of the book says.) I don't think, in general, that never speaking of these sort of conditions publicly is necessarily the right position to take. Sadly, there are many children born with conditions that affect them physically and are sometimes even fatal. I don't think people should feel like this can't be spoken of openly and honestly.

BillieBalloon said:

GimmeThat said:
Word. I don't understand why she shouldn't make money from selling a book that tells her story.
What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.

Reply #182 posted 03/15/17 7:10pm

PennyPurple

luv4u said:

Not buying/reading any magazines nor buying/reading the book either.

I would rather remember Prince as he was. Honour and Respect.

Well to be honest, we probably know just about everything in that book, because it has all been discussed on this forum at some point & time. Why everyone is in an uproar, is beyond me, when those very people have discussed his entire life for years, on this forum.

One thing I didn't know is that Mayte has been diagnosed with MS.

Reply #183 posted 03/15/17 7:12pm

laurarichardson

purplerabbithole said:

Did anyone read the Daily Mail accounts of this book?  P is not coming off well at all.  I am not saying these flaws aren't real but I do believe that the DM got a hold of the manuscript and cherry-picked the worst tidbits of the book and placed them in the article...leaving out anything approaching nuance, warmth or sympathy.


 


I do think Prince shouldn't have been a guardian for a sexy 16 year old but I do believe nothing happened right away and that the DM is kind of leaving out the fact that she worked for him as a dancer (so being fined for weight gain, living in his house, and being under his guardianship--although certainly controlling, were also a product of her time as an employee of his.) Plus, the parents could have stepped in at any time to rescue their daughter if it were that bad.  They didn't turn on Prince until he dumped her. So he must have been treading pretty lightly in the beginning--at least I hope so. If not, then her parents need to be held up to scrutiny as well.


 


 


The Daily mail is a grimy tabloid. Apparently the twin nannies tried to sell pictures of the baby to them. Also the guardian story is the total opposite of what she said before so I cannot take it seriously. She also could have left when turned 18 but she worked for him and married him so he could not have been so much of a monster.
[Edited 3/15/17 19:13pm]
Reply #184 posted 03/15/17 7:16pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Laura, we all know you aren't going to read the book. You don't have to, but why do you keep commenting on a topic that you hate? She has every right to tell her story. If you think she shouldn't have wrote the book because it's too personal about Prince, then why are you combing thru all the court documents and reporting on them on the forum? Now that's just as personal.....



--Court docs are public we do not have secret courts in America and anyone who goes to court knows this and no one has to comb for anything and all of the finacial info has been redacted so we really do not know that much. Medical files are private in this country. I could have read the book 4 weeks ago as there is a bootlegg copy out. Some of you do not venture off of this board but if you did you would find out about minions she has working on her behalf. It has gotten nasty and I decided to speak out. My choice. [Edited 3/15/17 18:53pm]

And Mayte's book is public. Her life doesn't have to be kept a secret anymore.


Mayte has talked about that child and that marriage for years. No one was putting s gun to her head and stopping her from talking she just was not getting paid to talk. Did you miss Hollywood Ex's?
Reply #185 posted 03/15/17 7:17pm

SweetKathleen

benni said:


Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate. I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else. He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so? He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so? To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.

Well Said!

I miss you my friend --jj, me, and many others
Reply #186 posted 03/15/17 7:20pm

SweetKathleen

PennyPurple said:

Just pre-ordered the book from Barnes & Noble. $18.41 the signed copies were also $18.41 but were already sold out.

Yeah. I don't think I got a signed one either. Any idea if she's going to do a signing tour?

I miss you my friend --jj, me, and many others
Reply #187 posted 03/15/17 7:21pm

laurarichardson

SweetKathleen said:

 



benni said:



Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate.  I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else.  He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so?  He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so?  To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.



Well Said!


He keep it classy.
Reply #188 posted 03/15/17 7:27pm

sonshine

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?
Have you had your plus sign (+) today?
Reply #189 posted 03/15/17 7:37pm

Bodhitheblackdog

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

Beautifully expressed. I agree and know others do, too.

Reply #190 posted 03/15/17 7:38pm

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

SweetKathleen said:

 



benni said:



Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate.  I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else.  He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so?  He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so?  To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.



Well Said!


He keep it classy.

If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff
Have you had your plus sign (+) today?
Reply #191 posted 03/15/17 7:39pm

sonshine

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



sonshine said:


Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

Beautifully expressed. I agree and know others do, too.


Thank you. It makes me feel better reading your reply.
[Edited 3/15/17 19:42pm]
Have you had your plus sign (+) today?
Reply #192 posted 03/15/17 7:39pm

Identity

SweetKathleen said:

PennyPurple said:

Just pre-ordered the book from Barnes & Noble. $18.41 the signed copies were also $18.41 but were already sold out.

Yeah. I don't think I got a signed one either. Any idea if she's going to do a signing tour?



Darn! I missed out. Hopefully, there will be a signing tour.

"Fall like lightning.''
Reply #193 posted 03/15/17 7:40pm

PennyPurple

SweetKathleen said:

PennyPurple said:

Just pre-ordered the book from Barnes & Noble. $18.41 the signed copies were also $18.41 but were already sold out.

Yeah. I don't think I got a signed one either. Any idea if she's going to do a signing tour?

I don't know, I hope she does have a signing tour.

Reply #194 posted 03/15/17 7:42pm

PennyPurple

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

Well said, I agree!

Reply #195 posted 03/15/17 7:44pm

purplerabbithole

One could argue that she is painting herself as a martyr. The People article isn't that bad, but the daily mail excerpts do paint him as a svengeli and her as some innocent. Leaving out the fact that no one put a gun to her head or her parent's head. No one physically forced her to go without the amnio, no one forced her to keep working for a guy who would fine her for eating too much, no one forced her to go on Oprah (she could have said no...). She chose to hopefully because she loved him and not just because she didn't want to jump off the gravy train. Her age is not enough of an excuse. He didn't impregnate her at 16. I am not condemning her and I do get that she was innocent in many regards (but not all), but she had free will and if she didn't have it, her parents certainly did.

I am not saying that is her intent, but she doesn't seem to have any concern for how the media loves sound bites and stuff taken out of context.

Another thought, according to her, she was mourning in her bed and hugging the urn with her son's ashes. Prince couldn't take it, left, came back and then 'forced' her to go on Oprah by saying I need you to do this for me. Is it possible he thought he was doing her a favor, getting out her out of her stupor and eradicating rumors at the same time. He probably feed her the notion that Ahmir would 'come back' in another pregnancy and that their family remained. Maybe he thought he was being the man of the family, helping his family rebound by publically stating that they would perservere--in the hopes that it would come to fluition. They were mourning differently, it sounds like. He in denial(and using some spiritual belief in reincarnation). Her in deep acceptance. Maybe he was just as much of a child about this loss than she was--maybe more so..

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

[Edited 3/15/17 19:52pm]

Reply #196 posted 03/15/17 7:46pm

tab32792

If Wendy and Lisa or anybody from before 1990 wrote a book, nobody would care and i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be mad. That's an assumption just from being around here for a few years. But because it was somebody that was actually married to Prince, lived with him, created a child with him, and wasn't from the 80's it's an issue.

Reply #197 posted 03/15/17 7:47pm

tab32792

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

BINGO.

Reply #198 posted 03/15/17 7:48pm

purplerabbithole

An emotional reaction that he have no clear explanation for except maybe pain. I don't care that Mayte sold his stuff..I get that -- its called closure. He did the same. So what.

Allowing her book to be cherry picked is a whole other thing.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:
He keep it classy.
If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff

Reply #199 posted 03/15/17 7:49pm

PurpleMedley122

laurarichardson said:

SweetKathleen said:

 



benni said:



Prince sang about love, gave love in his music, and talked about love, and it's sad that some in his main fanbase only dish out hate.  I think Prince would be more disheartened by that than anything else.  He never spoke poorly of Mayte, so what gives any one else the right to do so?  He never spoke poorly of Mani, or of Sheila, or Denise, or any of the women he was with; so what gives his fanbase the right to do so?  To me, that is more dishonorable to the memory of our man than Mayte's book.



Well Said!


He keep it classy.

So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released.
So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte.

Many, many examples...
[Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]
Reply #200 posted 03/15/17 7:49pm

starkitty

How hard has it been for each of *us* to deal with his passing? To grieve, to live? Shame on anyone passing judgement on this woman who shared the most intimate moments of life with him. How dare you.
Reply #201 posted 03/15/17 7:50pm

Militant

moderator

tab32792 said:

If Wendy and Lisa or anybody from before 1990 wrote a book, nobody would care and i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be mad. That's an assumption just from being around here for a few years. But because it was somebody that was actually married to Prince, lived with him, created a child with him, and wasn't from the 80's it's an issue.

Exactly.

Dez Dickerson's book is literally called My Time With Prince.

I don't see anyone wondering where the money goes from the books he's sold. And neither should they, because it's his story.

And this book is Mayte's story.

Reply #202 posted 03/15/17 7:51pm

Identity

SweetKathleen said:

PennyPurple said:

Just pre-ordered the book from Barnes & Noble. $18.41 the signed copies were also $18.41 but were already sold out.

Yeah. I don't think I got a signed one either. Any idea if she's going to do a signing tour?



Barnes and Noble:
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"Fall like lightning.''
Reply #203 posted 03/15/17 7:55pm

morningsong

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:


He keep it classy.

So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released.
So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte.

Many, many examples...
[Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]



Did he? Seems to me she got the house in Canada in the settlement. The land that house was on is a part of his estate seems weird if it was all awarded to her. Seems everybody put just that little bit of extra spin in their own comment when they critize others who critize others.
“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #204 posted 03/15/17 7:58pm

PennyPurple

Identity said:

SweetKathleen said:

Yeah. I don't think I got a signed one either. Any idea if she's going to do a signing tour?



Barnes and Noble:
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[Edited 3/15/17 19:52pm]

Wish I lived in NY.

Reply #205 posted 03/15/17 8:01pm

purplerabbithole

He didn't bulldoze that house in Canada (that's illegal...it would have been her house. Plus, that house is literally on the market right now) he bulldozed his second house in Chanhausen..the one he shared with Mayte at one point and probably was were Ahmir's ashes were originally sent.)

Also he claimed Mani's stuff was in storage and available to her (except the music videos devoted to her which he destroyed). Don't know how that proceeded or if she ever received her other stuff, but he claimed that he didn't want the stuff but just didn't know where it was stored. NOt unreasonable considering how big Paisley is.

I do think however that he kept the videos from her on purpose.

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:
He keep it classy.
So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released. So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte. Many, many examples... [Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]

[Edited 3/15/17 20:05pm]

Reply #206 posted 03/15/17 8:06pm

SpookyNopetopus

disch said:

i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.

nelcp777 said:

Well said.

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

I imagine myself inside your bedroom; oh, I imagine myself in your sky.
kitty cop
Reply #207 posted 03/15/17 8:10pm

rednblue

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

Thank you! I would think her years of unwavering love would mean a lot to a Prince fan. They sure do to me.

Reply #208 posted 03/15/17 8:11pm

laurarichardson

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:


He keep it classy.

So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released.
So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte.

Many, many examples...
[Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]

No, he bulldozed his own properties and gave Mani a mansion, Lexus, and a bank account with a million dollars in it. The belongings probaly were things he brought her and with a million she could replace whatever the items were. As far as fooling around in the theater ask yourself how surprised Mayte could be about that if Prince was seeing Nona,Carmen and her at the same time. She knew what sort of man she was getting and some of you need to stop being naive and buying into this nonsense. Prince could have ripped both this chicks in the media if he wanted he had the means and money to do some damage but he did not which in hindsight was a mistake.
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Reply #209 posted 03/15/17 8:17pm

purplerabbithole

NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided. No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick. They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.

Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff and was enabled and used by others.

SpookyNopetopus said:

disch said:

i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

[Edited 3/15/17 20:19pm]

Reply #210 posted 03/15/17 8:18pm

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:


He keep it classy.

If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff

-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.
Reply #211 posted 03/15/17 8:20pm

laurarichardson

Exactly it is too easy to make him the devil and not take the time to realize that it takes to tango.

said:

NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided.  No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick.  They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.


 


Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff.


 


 



SpookyNopetopus said:


 



disch said:


i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.


 



Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it. 


 


I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.



 

Reply #212 posted 03/15/17 8:23pm

laurarichardson

She was on a TV show telling all her business so her life was not a secret stop blowing her stituation up to be someone putting a gun to her head and preventing from speaking.

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Laura, we all know you aren't going to read the book. You don't have to, but why do you keep commenting on a topic that you hate? She has every right to tell her story. If you think she shouldn't have wrote the book because it's too personal about Prince, then why are you combing thru all the court documents and reporting on them on the forum? Now that's just as personal.....



--Court docs are public we do not have secret courts in America and anyone who goes to court knows this and no one has to comb for anything and all of the finacial info has been redacted so we really do not know that much. Medical files are private in this country. I could have read the book 4 weeks ago as there is a bootlegg copy out. Some of you do not venture off of this board but if you did you would find out about minions she has working on her behalf. It has gotten nasty and I decided to speak out. My choice. [Edited 3/15/17 18:53pm]

And Mayte's book is public. Her life doesn't have to be kept a secret anymore.


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Reply #213 posted 03/15/17 8:31pm

disch

The thing is, he's not around to tell us why he made the decisions he did. So for those who want to understand more about how he ticked (and not everyone is interested in these aspects of his life), we are going to have to rely, at this point, on the perspectives of who were around him. And that includes Mayte. It's possible that her book may give that kind of insight. (But I'll know more after I read it.)

purplerabbithole said:

NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided. No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick. They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.

Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff and was enabled and used by others.

SpookyNopetopus said:

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

[Edited 3/15/17 20:19pm]

Reply #214 posted 03/15/17 8:31pm

rednblue

SpookyNopetopus said:

disch said:

i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

Reply #215 posted 03/15/17 8:32pm

benni

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:
If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff
-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.


Yeah, it couldn't have been that it was too painful to be around her at all? It couldn't have been that being around her reminded him of his son and what they lost. Nah, that would be just too obvious.

Reply #216 posted 03/15/17 8:42pm

SpookyNopetopus

laurarichardson said:

Exactly it is too easy to make him the devil and not take the time to realize that it takes to tango. said:

NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided. No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick. They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.

Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff.

Let me be clear: I don't think Prince was the devil. I am saying he was a seriously flawed dude who did some cruel things to many people. Whatever his intentions were? I don't know, since I've never been up in his head, but the outcome of those intentions were cruel and distasteful, and I'm not going to brush them aside because I like his music, or -- sometimes -- his personality. I also find it really funny that so many are quick to just write Mayte, Manuela, or whoever else as purely evil, and don't want to extend the same amount of sympathy/empathy to these women as they do to Prince. So, yeah, I'm going to point right back to the common demominator of these failed things: Prince. There was something wrong going on there that wasn't all the women. A lot of it was him, too. And whatever else Mayte might have done in life that wasn't great, she still should talk about this if she wants to. Will I read the book? I don't know, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But I'm certainly not going to go in on the girl for talking about him, even if what she says might be unflattering. I've thought some unflattering things about Prince for YEARS, so I can hardly blame her for putting things in print, and I'm not going to castigate her for talking about the experience with her child. It was uncomfortable for me to read, but I'm betting that shit was 20,000 times worse for her, who had to bear the child, then realize he wasn't going to live. She might or might not be the worst person ever, but by God, in that moment she was somebody's mother, and she was looking at burying her baby in a very short time. She should never have been asked to bury that experience, EVER. She has my sympathy because quite simply, that shit was horrible. THe world does nor revolve around Prince. Nor should it. He didn't exist in a vaccuum.

I imagine myself inside your bedroom; oh, I imagine myself in your sky.
kitty cop
Reply #217 posted 03/15/17 8:43pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:
If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff
-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

M2 made it clear in the transcript of the PM with P that was included in the divorce proceedings with M2 that he (or LG) burned M1 belongings in LG's backyard.

eek

Reply #218 posted 03/15/17 8:48pm

laytonian

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:


He keep it classy.

So classy that he bulldozed the house Mani received in their divorce settlement and refused to give her belongings in that leaked email correspondence when the divorce documents were released.
So classy that he and Mani were caught fooling around in movie theaters while he was married to Mayte.

Many, many examples...
[Edited 3/15/17 19:49pm]


.
Mani got the Toronto mansion. He did not bulldoze that.
He tore down the Galpin home, which was his before either marriage.
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We had fun, didn't we?
Reply #219 posted 03/15/17 9:05pm

Leopard52

I've ordered it. Maybe that says more about me than anything. Everyone is different and will have different opinions. I can't imagine the sorrow she has had to endure. Not talking about your child that passed is too much to ask. She went by his wishes while he was here. Sadly he's gone from this earth and won't care now.
Reply #220 posted 03/15/17 9:06pm

camilleisfunky

I never met Prince. Most of us only know him through his songs. Some were fortunate to share their lives with him, some were fortunate to know and interact with people from Prince's camp.

My point is - I only know him through his songs and the stories I read about him, so I 100% support people that write about him, provided they knew him personally. Of course, it will be their side of the story, not Prince's, but for the time being it's the best I can get. So I'll buy the book, I'll read it and this way I can say I know Prince better. All I care about.

I also get the point that he was a very private man, and he wouldn't have endorsed this book, well, he was in the midst of writing his own biography, so he seemed to be willing to share more personal details, which is what Mayte's book is doing.

The man also said my life with you I share, his first song on his first album, so again, Mayte does it on his behalf...

I look forward to reading it and hopefully I won't eat my words smile

Reply #221 posted 03/15/17 9:10pm

purplerabbithole

No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints.

rednblue said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

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Reply #222 posted 03/15/17 9:10pm

1contessa

fortuneandserendipity said:

BillieBalloon said:

fortuneandserendipity said: Does that say Jesus on her ass?

Yes God is love. And I love her butt smile

That seems very disrespectful to me.

Reply #223 posted 03/15/17 9:12pm

purplerabbithole

Man, didn't you know that Prince was just heartless and just didn't care about his suffering wife or his deceased son. Too interested in promoting an album to care.

benni said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said: -Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.


Yeah, it couldn't have been that it was too painful to be around her at all? It couldn't have been that being around her reminded him of his son and what they lost. Nah, that would be just too obvious.

Reply #224 posted 03/15/17 9:20pm

rednblue

purplerabbithole said:

No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints.

rednblue said:

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

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"No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints."

I can recognize sarcasm, but is that what I said?

Reply #225 posted 03/15/17 9:40pm

AnnaStesia10

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

yes

Agree and well said. I am ok with Mayte speaking her truth. She has rights to do so.

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"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #226 posted 03/15/17 9:48pm

purplerabbithole

Who asked her to bury the experience? He asked her to appear for ten minutes on a show and put on a brave face rather than crying in a bed for days on end with her son's urn in her hands. she was able to do it. Are we are to assume that Prince wouldn't allow her counceling or therapy or her mother's assistance? He even mentioned therapy (vaguely) in the Oprah interview. And besides she could have said no about the show.

Remember he was mourning too. His approach might have seemed cruel to her..but he did it to himself as well. It probably was worse for her because she carried the baby. But he still had to put on the brave face publically. Are we to assume he just didn't care? Listen to what he says in both interviews. He doesn't deny that the baby died. He merely suggests that they will carry on and he tells Oprah over and over that he loves his wife. Now, if it is just an act-- Why? Why not just go on Oprah by himself and claim that Mayte is home caring for their son or preparing for motherhood. Do you really think a dude who changed his name to a symbol, told a record studio to shove it, barely released his best music, and didn't do "We are the World" really cares if people think he is father of the year. He wanted privacy, the press to leave him alone about it, and a way to cope. So he said, we'll be fine...here's the proof. Now leave us alone. His "Comeback" song indicates exactly how he coped with that loss---he was in a sort of denial that involved Ahmir's spirit remaining with him and being reborn in the next pregnancy. I am not trivializing her pain. I just saying its obviously complicated. In fact, I think he seemed rather sad in the GMA interview.

I am not condeming her really and I defended Manuela by the way for the most part (except for taking him to court for gifts from him years later). . I am just saying that Mayte's book has been distastefully advertised with soundbites and passages about the son's death with no context. That's the part of pissed me off, not the book itself but what she allowed the press to pull out of the book..

the world doesn't revolve around Prince but if the people around him want to carry on as if it does then they are enabling him... and I challenge the notion that anyone was really forced to do anything they didn't want to. Mayte could have left whenever she wanted to and moved back in with her parents. She didn't for whatever reason.

By the way, Prince is the common demoninator because yes he is flawed and also because he is famous and people have different complicated motives for wanting to be around him. Really are there any famous people with stable long term relationships? Is he any worse than Brando, Elvis, or any number of ladies men with preferences for younger women. In fact, I would argue he is better than those fellows. Celebrites have their own flaws but there are also extenuating circumstances like fame and temptation.. Prince's flaws are well-established. Giving the man the benefit of the doubt is lacking. He is not Bill Cosby raping girls. He is an emotional cripple with abandonment issues, paranoia, communication issues and workaholic tendencies.

SpookyNopetopus said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly it is too easy to make him the devil and not take the time to realize that it takes to tango. said:

Let me be clear: I don't think Prince was the devil. I am saying he was a seriously flawed dude who did some cruel things to many people. Whatever his intentions were? I don't know, since I've never been up in his head, but the outcome of those intentions were cruel and distasteful, and I'm not going to brush them aside because I like his music, or -- sometimes -- his personality. I also find it really funny that so many are quick to just write Mayte, Manuela, or whoever else as purely evil, and don't want to extend the same amount of sympathy/empathy to these women as they do to Prince. So, yeah, I'm going to point right back to the common demominator of these failed things: Prince. There was something wrong going on there that wasn't all the women. A lot of it was him, too. And whatever else Mayte might have done in life that wasn't great, she still should talk about this if she wants to. Will I read the book? I don't know, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But I'm certainly not going to go in on the girl for talking about him, even if what she says might be unflattering. I've thought some unflattering things about Prince for YEARS, so I can hardly blame her for putting things in print, and I'm not going to castigate her for talking about the experience with her child. It was uncomfortable for me to read, but I'm betting that shit was 20,000 times worse for her, who had to bear the child, then realize he wasn't going to live. She might or might not be the worst person ever, but by God, in that moment she was somebody's mother, and she was looking at burying her baby in a very short time. She should never have been asked to bury that experience, EVER. She has my sympathy because quite simply, that shit was horrible. THe world does nor revolve around Prince. Nor should it. He didn't exist in a vaccuum.

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Reply #227 posted 03/15/17 9:54pm

purplerabbithole

No you didn't say that but most discussion about these two seem to imply that. Mayte's either depicted as a saintly victim of a svengali or a shameless gold-digger sent by her parents to lure a rock star. The reality is neither I assume. Prince has good and bad sides and so does she. The problem is that her supporters don't even mention her own complicity in the choices they made as a couple. A woman being told what to do by her man and doing it is still making the choice to do what he says ---unless he is using physical violence or harsh economic repudiation (and I don't mean she had to work for a living elsewhere) then she made choices too. Mayte might be naive, but she has got free will and lived in a modern society.

rednblue said:

purplerabbithole said:

No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints.

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"No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints."

I can recognize sarcasm, but is that what I said?

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Reply #228 posted 03/15/17 10:03pm

paisleyparkgirl

Nanni said:

rogifan said:

What Prince thinks of this book and all the tabloid headlines to come:

yeahthat

He would say:

where is this from ?

Reply #229 posted 03/15/17 10:29pm

mynameisnotsusan

paisleyparkgirl said:

 



Nanni said:


 



rogifan said:


What Prince thinks of this book and all the tabloid headlines to come:

yeahthat


 


He would say:




 




 


where is this from ?



Batdance video
Reply #230 posted 03/15/17 10:47pm

rednblue

purplerabbithole said:

No you didn't say that but most discussion about these two seem to imply that. Mayte's either depicted as a saintly victim of a svengali or a shameless gold-digger sent by her parents to lure a rock star. The reality is neither I assume. Prince has good and bad sides and so does she. The problem is that her supporters don't even mention her own complicity in the choices they made as a couple. A woman being told what to do by her man and doing it is still making the choice to do what he says ---unless he is using physical violence or harsh economic repudiation (and I don't mean she had to work for a living elsewhere) then she made choices too. Mayte might be naive, but she has got free will and lived in a modern society.

rednblue said:

"No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints."

I can recognize sarcasm, but is that what I said?

[Edited 3/15/17 21:58pm]

I read your last two posts, and I appreciate your nuanced view of things. Discussions sometimes feel a bit polarized to me, too. Sorry for brief off topic mention, but someone started a thread titled Prince and open relationships a while back. I commented saying that it seemed like Prince, as well as women he loved, had been pained by the appearance of an additional lover. I thought additional lovers were an inherent part of the definition of "open relationships," the title of the thread. I simply said that in multiple cases, both parties were jealous and hurt when other lovers entered the picture.

I made the same observation about both parties, but in my opinion, I got reactions like I was greatly favoring one party over another. It almost felt as though some people were saying I was on Team Prince, while others were saying I was on Team Women. : )

Anyway, I hope that I view things with nuance, and although I agree with the person who pointed out that cruelties (and I'd say cruelties by any of the parties) can't simply be excused away by tough times, I am interested in people's individual stories. I've never known anyone in the Prince world, but I'm sure none of these folks are completely perfect or totally evil. Human beings are complicated. I'm interested in people's challenges and life experiences. Tonight, I've been looking back at some early Prince interviews. They do have some often (at least at the time) repeated misinformation, but I think the quotes are really interesting. I realize many have seen these before, but in case you're interested: http://beaconp.tumblr.com...tales-from

Sorry for the tangent!

Reply #231 posted 03/15/17 11:05pm

PeteSilas

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

She can tell her story, it is not just princes story, he married her so he made it her story too. I do think describing the babies appearance should have been kept private, out of respect for the child. obviously something she would discuss in detail with her loved ones, but not for any random person that may or may not give a crap. To included those details and then get paid feels wrong. She could have told the exact same story without describing the little one, and not lost any of the story. Again, it just makes me feel bad for everyone, that it all had to end like this...

it's almost described like the scene from rosemary's baby, why she (or her writer) described it like this who knows but it was powerful. If it was true, and i don't believe everything in most bios, if it was, it's intensely sad.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #232 posted 03/15/17 11:30pm

heathilly

It seems prince had a drug issue and suffereed from depression for a long time. And that's not hard to believe or a stretch considering he seemingly never came straight on anything much less his personal problems always the riddles and what not. And always alone an estranged from people. Mj all over again.
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Reply #233 posted 03/15/17 11:37pm

dance4me3121

heathilly said:

It seems prince had a drug issue and suffereed from depression for a long time. And that's not hard to believe or a stretch considering he seemingly never came straight on anything much less his personal problems always the riddles and what not. And always alone an estranged from people. Mj all over again.
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Wonder what he was depressed about? If I were Prince I wouldve been happy 24/7
Reply #234 posted 03/15/17 11:51pm

Purplebflogirl

I do hope she is honest..But we will never know for sure.I have often wondered if she ever thinks as she is a Mom now herself of how her Mother gave P a tape of her belly dancing when she was still a child (16) and seemed to encourage her to have a relationship with a man in his 30's..Yes,I know she didn't go to live..errrr work with him until she was 18..but to me that's disgusting.
Until the end of time
Reply #235 posted 03/15/17 11:53pm

heathilly

dance4me3121 said:

heathilly said:

It seems prince had a drug issue and suffereed from depression for a long time. And that's not hard to believe or a stretch considering he seemingly never came straight on anything much less his personal problems always the riddles and what not. And always alone an estranged from people. Mj all over again.
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Wonder what he was depressed about? If I were Prince I wouldve been happy 24/7

Well I know people look at celebs like their life is perfect and especially if your a fan of someone you looked past glaring issues and red flags. But Prince's solitude was quite unhealthy for one and I say that being quite introverted myself. But as many people were at paisley park and the thousand of people he played for at his concerts how many do you think he actually had real stimulating conversations with? Let's not forget the trauma of him losing his parents and children and also the tremendous physical pain he was in that effects anyone and prince just seems like the type of person who pushes away unpleasantness repressing anything have to do with the situation. I'm not trying to psychoanalyze but these things just seem so apparent to me.
Reply #236 posted 03/16/17 12:02am

1Sasha

From what I have read on various social media platforms, Mayte is now Satan and Prince is the innocent lamb brought to slaughter. There are usually three sides to every story, and Mayte certainly deserves to tell her side of their tale without the horrific comments being made about her.
Reply #237 posted 03/16/17 12:20am

PeteSilas

Purplebflogirl said:

I do hope she is honest..But we will never know for sure.I have often wondered if she ever thinks as she is a Mom now herself of how her Mother gave P a tape of her belly dancing when she was still a child (16) and seemed to encourage her to have a relationship with a man in his 30's..Yes,I know she didn't go to live..errrr work with him until she was 18..but to me that's disgusting.

I think the actual tape with the coin that prince saw was from a television show, what was the name? That's Incredible I think, mayte wasn't even 16, she looked about 8. People do horrible shit to their kids to get them into show biz, it's sick, it really is, not talking about Prince because Prince wasn't a pedophile. I guess the age difference is pretty big but in earlier eras there would have been nothing unusual about that, nothing ususual or outrageous at all. It's not right, in my opinion, but it used to be commonplace.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #238 posted 03/16/17 12:25am

Purplebflogirl

IMHO M2 always appeared to me as more calculated that M1..And with the divorce records unsealed it became clear why she fought to have them kept sealed..there it was..She wanted 42k a month in alimony..And received millions in the divorce settlement.Mayte was very young..And again..IMHO her Mom seemed to have $ signs in her eyes...Like M2 did..just my thoughts..
Until the end of time
Reply #239 posted 03/16/17 12:26am

PeteSilas

1Sasha said:

From what I have read on various social media platforms, Mayte is now Satan and Prince is the innocent lamb brought to slaughter. There are usually three sides to every story, and Mayte certainly deserves to tell her side of their tale without the horrific comments being made about her.

my issue is, these kinds of books are not usually very well written, they are obviously usually onesided and self serving. Priscilla's book on Elvis wasn't very good, the print was huge and it had no depth. Of course, Elvis' family or other fans might have had issues with some of the info but that's not really my problem with those kinds of books. And believe me, nothing that will come out about Prince will ever hold a candle to the stories about Elvis, Prince was actually pretty conservative in many ways, the main thing being his work which I don't fault him at all for. I don't fault him for loving women either because most of us men are pretty stupid in some way when it comes to women.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #240 posted 03/16/17 12:28am

PeteSilas

Purplebflogirl said:

IMHO M2 always appeared to me as more calculated that M1..And with the divorce records unsealed it became clear why she fought to have them kept sealed..there it was..She wanted 42k a month in alimony..And received millions in the divorce settlement.Mayte was very young..And again..IMHO her Mom seemed to have $ signs in her eyes...Like M2 did..just my thoughts..

that's the impression i got too, it's hard to say because she's never granted an interview that i know of so it's only by the info i get about her. Mayte never seemed goldiggerish in that way. Maybe had stage parents who pushed her and had an infatuation with the lifestyle but she never seemed out to get anyone.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #241 posted 03/16/17 12:29am

sonshine

dance4me3121 said:

heathilly said:
It seems prince had a drug issue and suffereed from depression for a long time. And that's not hard to believe or a stretch considering he seemingly never came straight on anything much less his personal problems always the riddles and what not. And always alone an estranged from people. Mj all over again. [Edited 3/15/17 23:31pm]
Wonder what he was depressed about? If I were Prince I wouldve been happy 24/7

A chaotic, possibly traumatic, childhood. Failed romantic relationships. Business stressors. Unable to trust people around him. Fans and critics tearing him apart. Shame over his substance abuse.

Have you had your plus sign (+) today?
Reply #242 posted 03/16/17 12:31am

Purplebflogirl

PeteSilas said:[quote]

 



Purplebflogirl said:


I do hope she is honest..But we will never know for sure.I have often wondered if she ever thinks as she is a Mom now herself of how her Mother gave P a tape of her belly dancing when she was still a child (16) and seemed to encourage her to have a relationship with a man in his 30's..Yes,I know she didn't go to live..errrr work with him until she was 18..but to me that's disgusting.

I think the actual tape with the coin that prince saw was from a television show, what was the name?  That's Incredible I think, mayte wasn't even 16, she looked about 8.  People do horrible shit to their kids to get them into show biz, it's sick, it really is, not talking about Prince because Prince wasn't a pedophile.  I guess the age difference is pretty big but in earlier eras there would have been nothing unusual about that, nothing ususual or outrageous at all.  It's not right, in my opinion, but it used to be commonplace.   

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I've read P always wanted until his girlfriend's were 18.He was smart to do so..I will always love our beloved P..I wish he would of found someone to love as much as he loved making music]
Until the end of time
Reply #243 posted 03/16/17 1:14am

BillieBalloon

benni said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


GimmeThat said:
Word. I don't understand why she shouldn't make money from selling a book that tells her story.

What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it).  He is no longer with us either.  The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother.  The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist.  He did have life," is Mayte.  And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father."  Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss.  And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.




Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #244 posted 03/16/17 1:23am

MattyJam

BillieBalloon said:o

What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film.


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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Reply #245 posted 03/16/17 1:29am

laurarichardson

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

 



laurarichardson said:


sonshine said:
If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff

-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

M2 made it clear in the transcript of the PM with P that was included in the divorce proceedings with M2 that he (or LG) burned M1 belongings in LG's backyard.


eek


--My point is did she ever buy anything with her own money? It is possible that he saw those belongings as his property to burn. Also people do not go around burning stuff unless some serious stuff had gone down and I do not believe it was just because of Ahmir or the miscarriage. I am not saying dude was perfect but I think his part of the story is missing and Mayte is using that to her advantage🙄
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Reply #246 posted 03/16/17 1:32am

laurarichardson

rednblue said:

 



SpookyNopetopus said:


 



disch said:


i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.


 



Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it. 


 


I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.



 


That.  And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story.  He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things.  Prince was human.  Mayte is human.  There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.


-/She was on a national TV program talking about Prince and that baby. No one stopped her from speaking.
Reply #247 posted 03/16/17 1:40am

BillieBalloon

MattyJam said:

 



BillieBalloon said:o


What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film.


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done.

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Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #248 posted 03/16/17 1:52am

BillieBalloon

Somebody further up even said they were glad Mani dumped him and went on to have kids with another man.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #249 posted 03/16/17 2:21am

funksterr

What WON'T she do for money?

Reply #250 posted 03/16/17 2:32am

KaresB

Purplebflogirl said:

IMHO M2 always appeared to me as more calculated that M1..And with the divorce records unsealed it became clear why she fought to have them kept sealed..there it was..She wanted 42k a month in alimony..And received millions in the divorce settlement.Mayte was very young..And again..IMHO her Mom seemed to have $ signs in her eyes...Like M2 did..just my thoughts..

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"M1" and "M2"? Excuse me?

How much more disrespectful can you be towards women you (probably) don't even know? Regardless of whether you sympathize with them or not, they have names. If you're not too lazy to type a post about them, you can perhaps respect them enough to mention them by their name.



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Reply #251 posted 03/16/17 2:50am

KaresB

funksterr said:

What WON'T she do for money?

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Behave...

Reply #252 posted 03/16/17 3:03am

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

Somebody further up even said they were glad Mani dumped him and went on to have kids with another man.

--I am pretty sure Prince was glad when she left as well after all she wanted to maintain the lifestyle he provided for her while not being married to him anymore. Tells you a lot about her. I bet Prince did a whole back flip when both these women left lol
Reply #253 posted 03/16/17 3:06am

Lovejunky

I really Hope P never saw this...It would have been both very embarrassing and hurtful too I imagine...

fortuneandserendipity said:

Or these ones... lurking


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“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
http://prince.org/msg/15/445991
Reply #254 posted 03/16/17 3:10am

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

MattyJam said:

 



BillieBalloon said:o


What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film.


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done.

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Exactly, No worries she will get her 15 of fame and disappear into obscurity. People will be playing and covering Prince's music for years to come. No one is going to be talking about her a month from now. I hope she enjoys her time in the limelight.
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Reply #255 posted 03/16/17 3:37am

GimmeThat

Look, she wrote the book and it got published. Read it, or don't. This is happening.
2 sevens together
Reply #256 posted 03/16/17 3:37am

3rdeyedude

BillieBalloon said:

MattyJam said:


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done. . [Edited 3/16/17 1:42am]

lets face it.......Prince wasnt nomal and he damaged her pretty well........both of them were equally fucked up but it just took her longer to realize since she was just a kid when he scooped her up......some of you need to get over the fact that Prince was even more flawed than the rest of us

Reply #257 posted 03/16/17 3:54am

BillieBalloon

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

Somebody further up even said they were glad Mani dumped him and went on to have kids with another man.

--I am pretty sure Prince was glad when she left as well after all she wanted to maintain the lifestyle he provided for her while not being married to him anymore. Tells you a lot about her. I bet Prince did a whole back flip when both these women left lol


The comment about her having kids with another man after princes own child died shows how the poater really feels about Prince. This is the kind of hate for him at the Org that was posted during his lifetime.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #258 posted 03/16/17 4:05am

laurarichardson

3rdeyedude said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


MattyJam said:

 



This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.


[Edited 3/16/17 1:26am]



This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done. . [Edited 3/16/17 1:42am]

 


lets face it.....Prince wasnt nomal and he damaged her pretty well.....both of them were equally fucked up but it just took her longer to realize since she was just a kid when he scooped her up.....some of you need to get over the fact that Prince was even more flawed than the rest of us


--She was messed up because of her parents and that was long before Prince met her. Once she turned 18 she was free to leave. Not to mention what she is saying now is totally different than what she said before 😳No one has every said Prince was perfect He even discussed his issues later in his life but this chick is using their child to make a buck 20 years out that makes her worst. Some of us feel you don't drag someone in the media who did not drag you in the media. It is very plain but I know that the same people that dragged Prince on this board for years are still doing. Is it jelousy? because he is dead so some of you can let it go now and move on with your life.
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Reply #259 posted 03/16/17 4:19am

KaresB

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.

Reply #260 posted 03/16/17 4:29am

benni

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.

Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Reply #261 posted 03/16/17 4:31am

purplerabbithole

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.

KaresB said:

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.

Reply #262 posted 03/16/17 4:39am

KeithyT

Her life, her body, her love, her memories, her decision, her happiness, her pain, her joy, her book, her money, her truth.

No need to bash anybody.

Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
Reply #263 posted 03/16/17 4:39am

benni

purplerabbithole said:

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.

KaresB said:

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.



Have you been told strangers on here about your dealing with grief over the loss of Prince? And if so, why? There are thousands of strangers on here, people who don't know you, that read your words.

There are thousands of people who write about their losses, their suffering, and publish books. They write because it is cathartic. They write because it does help the healing process. They write because they can share their pain and their healing. If you feel this strongly about Mayte not writing about her baby, her experience, then never buy another autobiography. Because that is what autobiographies do, take a slice of your life and talk about that experience.

Reply #264 posted 03/16/17 4:46am

PennyPurple

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.

Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..

What she did was described her child. You all are inserting the Rosemarys baby thing.

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This baby existed and it's high time his mother gets to acknowledge that. And know she can actually tell the world. Let's face it, her husband wasn't there for her and she was much younger then he was. Hell, she couldn't even call her husband by his name, Prince. This IS what their son looked like, that baby MATTERED. A mother loves her child, no matter what. Everyone seems to be dismissing the fact that it almost drove her to suicide..several times.

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Out of all the women in Prince's life, I think that Mayte is the one who didn't use him.

Reply #265 posted 03/16/17 4:52am

PennyPurple

benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Well said Benni! Thank you!

Reply #266 posted 03/16/17 4:53am

KaresB

KaresB said:

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.

purplerabbithole said:

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.

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OK, so now we know that in case you'd be world famous and a lot of people would be very much interested in your life story, including some of the personal details of your marriage to one of the biggest stars on the planet, including the story of how the two of you lost your children, you wouldn't write a book.

Even though you would know perfectly well, that dozens of books will be written about the two of you anyway, and most of them will be based on hearsay and/or downright lies. You'd also know that your star husband will always have millions more fans than you and most of them will go for versions of your stories that puts him in a far more favourable light than you, so for you it would always be an uphill battle if you'd like to share your story. You'd also know that regardless of what you do or don't do, millions of fans would still be jealous of you because you are this gorgeous woman who married their idol.

Okay.

Still, it's Mayte's story and it's her business to share it if she wants to. None of yours/ours. And none of us know what Prince might have written so no point in speculating.






Reply #267 posted 03/16/17 4:56am

PeteSilas

people also try to ascribe noble causes to the reason for tearing down a public figure in a book too and it creates enmity and rightly so. Malcolm X had a horrid book written on him about five years ago, just absolutely horrid. Some of the stuff was revelatory, the issues he had with his domineering wife was shocking to me, who could ever see malcolm being cuckolded? but there were so many other allegations in there which were passed off as fact when they were just suppositions like his having affairs of his own and one with a white woman named fifi. then, the author dredged up old rumours of people who said Malcolm was gay, and of course, like any hackjob, all of this was not to denigrate him but to "humanize" him. bullshit, it is to make money and it turns out that the author badly needed money as he didn't even live long enough to see the book go on sale. Every great figure has those kinds of books and they try to say they are trying to "humanize" "correct" or whatever with outrageous anectdotes which aren't always true. Fortunately, a figure like an Elvis, a Bruce Lee or a Malcolm or a Muhammad Ali has an intact legend that is resilient enough (and also, i don't think most people really even care) to endure just some stuff that might be horrible and/or might not even be true. Hell, I've done horrible things, I'm sure many of you have too, we don't have to worry about anyone writing a book about the worst things we did but it's certainly not unusual.

benni said:

purplerabbithole said:

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.



Have you been told strangers on here about your dealing with grief over the loss of Prince? And if so, why? There are thousands of strangers on here, people who don't know you, that read your words.

There are thousands of people who write about their losses, their suffering, and publish books. They write because it is cathartic. They write because it does help the healing process. They write because they can share their pain and their healing. If you feel this strongly about Mayte not writing about her baby, her experience, then never buy another autobiography. Because that is what autobiographies do, take a slice of your life and talk about that experience.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #268 posted 03/16/17 4:58am

laurarichardson

KaresB said:

 



 



KaresB said:


Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.



 


purplerabbithole said:


She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?


 


Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it.  Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.


 


She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.


 


Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son.  He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject.  Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.


 


 



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OK, so now we know that in case you'd be world famous and a lot of people would be very much interested in your life story, including some of the personal details of your marriage to one of the biggest stars on the planet, including the story of how the two of you lost your children, you wouldn't write a book. 

Even though you would know perfectly well, that dozens of books will be written about the two of you anyway, and most of them will be based on hearsay and/or downright lies. You'd also know that your star husband will always have millions more fans than you and most of them will go for versions of your stories that puts him in a far more favourable light than you, so for you it would always be an uphill battle if you'd like to share your story. You'd also know that regardless of what you do or don't do, millions of fans would still be jealous of you because you are this gorgeous woman who married their idol.

Okay.

Still, it's Mayte's story and it's her business to share it if she wants to. None of yours/ours. And none of us know what Prince might have written so no point in speculating.







Because you have a right to do something does not mean you should. It is called having some class and respect. Also no one gets to tell other people what the speculate about or what to buy. Some of you can live in La La land and make excuses for her because of your own need to know but do not expect the rest of us to do so.
Reply #269 posted 03/16/17 5:04am

KaresB

laurarichardson said:

Because you have a right to do something does not mean you should. It is called having some class and respect.

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Just because you have a right to post comments about a woman you don't even know, and you feel you're entitled to bash her because she's once married your idol, does not mean you should.

It is called having some class and respect.


Reply #270 posted 03/16/17 5:09am

CatB

benni said:



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.

"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #271 posted 03/16/17 5:14am

missfee

Mayte has the right to tell her side and I support her doing so. Everyone isn't going to support it and that's fine too. Those who don't support her telling her side most certainly don't have to read the book. It's that simple. It's one thing to respectfully disagree, but making judgmental statements regarding Mayte's decision and those who support her or understand her need to tell her story is just a prime example of folks talking loud and saying absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, it's much easier for people to talk a load of BS behind a computer screen that they would never have the balls to say to someone face to face.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
Reply #272 posted 03/16/17 5:16am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

-/She was on a national TV program talking about Prince and that baby. No one stopped her from speaking.

My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories. People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.

Also...

"Well, it was our life too, pal!" That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject. She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.

Reply #273 posted 03/16/17 5:17am

KaresB

CatB said:

benni said:
It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.

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Agreed.

Besides, some of the people here should try to imagine what it must've felt for Mayte to be forced by her husband to go on a freakin' TV show and smile and pretend everything's OK right after they've lost their baby. She went through hell for Prince. If anyone has the right to write a book and talk about whatever she wants to, it's her.

Reply #274 posted 03/16/17 5:31am

laurarichardson

KaresB said:

 



CatB said:


benni said:

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.  

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?


This.  

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.


 



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Agreed.

Besides, some of the people here should try to imagine what it must've felt for Mayte to be forced by her husband to go on a freakin' TV show and smile and pretend everything's OK right after they've lost their baby. She went through hell for Prince. If anyone has the right to write a book and talk about whatever she wants to, it's her.


--By forced do you mean he put a gun to her head?
Reply #275 posted 03/16/17 5:32am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:


Because you have a right to do something does not mean you should. It is called having some class and respect. Also no one gets to tell other people what the speculate about or what to buy. Some of you can live in La La land and make excuses for her because of your own need to know but do not expect the rest of us to do so.

Nobody is expecting you to do anything. You are the one who keeps coming on this thread. Nobody is forcing you to talk about Mayte's book, or to keep posting on this thread, or read a bootleg copy. For something you claim to have no interest in, you keep coming back for more.

Reply #276 posted 03/16/17 5:33am

laurarichardson

rednblue said:

 



laurarichardson said:


rednblue said:

 


 


That.  And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story.  He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things.  Prince was human.  Mayte is human.  There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.



-/She was on a national TV program talking about Prince and that baby. No one stopped her from speaking.

 


My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories.  People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.


 


Also...


 


"Well, it was our life too, pal!"  That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject.  She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.


--But he was not able to limit their albilty to speak because they did and quite frankly Wendy was an employee so whatever was going on in his personal life really was none of her business. He made a hugh mistake as a boss by getting to cozy with his employees.
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Reply #277 posted 03/16/17 5:36am

purplerabbithole

I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.
Reply #278 posted 03/16/17 5:45am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories. People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.

Also...

"Well, it was our life too, pal!" That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject. She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.

--But he was not able to limit their albilty to speak because they did and quite frankly Wendy was an employee so whatever was going on in his personal life really was none of her business. He made a hugh mistake as a boss by getting to cozy with his employees. [Edited 3/16/17 5:34am] [Edited 3/16/17 5:35am]

She wasn't talking about his personal life outside of her personal life. She was talking about experiences that they shared and were, therefore, "our life too."

Reply #279 posted 03/16/17 5:53am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

Like I said before, I have mixed feelings, she has the right to tell her story, you can not argue with that, it is her story. I am not sure who she wrote the book with, but I am thinking they were steering her toward a more tabloid style of writing, which in the excerpts does not come off as loving, it comes off like more important than her story is the sale of the book.

Also, I heard mayte herself recorded an audio version of the book. I just can't imagine sitting in an audio both for days and saying all of those words out loud, "I saw the look of horror on his face", even 20 years later I could not get through that.


And lastly, I know they are just excerpts, but nothing that was covered in the articles realesed is beautiful, for me the title "the most beautiful" seems about as wrong as possible
Reply #280 posted 03/16/17 6:09am

benni

purplerabbithole said:

I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.


An artist exposes themselves, period. I've written a book about my childhood and some of those that were involved in my childhood are no longer alive. Should I have not written about it? My intention for writing about it was to bring attention to the fact that stuff I went through happens and it's not always obvious that it is occurring. I have nothing to defend. But it is my story, my life, my experiences and the thoughts and feelings of my experiences. If it helps one person who has gone through something similar, then I feel that writing it and going through the pain and heartbreak all over again to put it to paper was worth it. And it was also liberating, to finally speak about something that I had to keep so secret as a child and to the tell the whole world: I matter. My experiences matter. My feelings matter. My thoughts matter. I am someone of value.

But going by what you are saying, what laurarichardson is saying, I should not tell my story because I'm making my money off someone else, even though it is MY story and MY experiences, MY feelings and MY thoughts.

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.


Reply #281 posted 03/16/17 6:16am

laurarichardson

rednblue said:

 



laurarichardson said:


rednblue said:

 


 


My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories.  People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.


 


Also...


 


"Well, it was our life too, pal!"  That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject.  She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.



--But he was not able to limit their albilty to speak because they did and quite frankly Wendy was an employee so whatever was going on in his personal life really was none of her business. He made a hugh mistake as a boss by getting to cozy with his employees. [Edited 3/16/17 5:34am] [Edited 3/16/17 5:35am]

 


She wasn't talking about his personal life outside of her personal life.  She was talking about experiences that they shared and were, therefore, "our life too."


No, she was talking about his relationship with Susanna which was none of her business to discuss with media.
Reply #282 posted 03/16/17 6:19am

BillieBalloon

benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.

Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.

Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #283 posted 03/16/17 6:24am

laurarichardson

benni said:

 



purplerabbithole said:


I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.


An artist exposes themselves, period.  I've written a book about my childhood and some of those that were involved in my childhood are no longer alive.  Should I have not written about it?  My intention for writing about it was to bring attention to the fact that stuff I went through happens and it's not always obvious that it is occurring.  I have nothing to defend.  But it is my story, my life, my experiences and the thoughts and feelings of my experiences.  If it helps one person who has gone through something similar, then I feel that writing it and going through the pain and heartbreak all over again to put it to paper was worth it.  And it was also liberating, to finally speak about something that I had to keep so secret as a child and to the tell the whole world:  I matter.  My experiences matter.  My feelings matter.  My thoughts matter.  I am someone of value. 

But going by what you are saying, what laurarichardson is saying, I should not tell my story because I'm making my money off someone else, even though it is MY story and MY experiences, MY feelings and MY thoughts. 

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person.  I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have.  Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince).  Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved.  When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not.  You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back.  I'm not dissing Prince here.  Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling.  This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will.  And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will. 

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her.  He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing.  And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more.  She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her.  The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that.  I envy you that.  Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.



I think he did not want to be around her because he did not want to be married in the first place. You cannot make a man settle down if they do not want to be. He was not ready for marriage when he got with her. I do not buy that he was so controlling that she could not leave as in the bootleg copy excerpts that are floating around she is saying he hynoptized her ( do you have any idea how that makes her look !) I am sorry she married a man who was dating her Nona Gaye and Carmen at the same time. If she could not see what was coming with him from that experience that is on her. I am interested in how some of the people she is dragging in the book are going to feel about her putting their personal business out in the street. Is that so she can heal? Because these people are alive and well and it will be interesting to hear what they have to say.
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Reply #284 posted 03/16/17 6:28am

MacDaddy

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Reply #285 posted 03/16/17 6:29am

laurarichardson

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Reply #286 posted 03/16/17 6:31am

PeteSilas

CatB said:


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.

that kind of reminds me of how mike tyson said "i love the act of treason but i hate a traitor" when one of his old circle wrote a book with obvious lies all throughout it. he was quoting some old time politician.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #287 posted 03/16/17 6:32am

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

 



benni said:


 



BillieBalloon said:


benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth?  When did you know what the baby's name?  I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory?  In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name?  They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome.  And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her.  She has never been able to talk about Ahmir.  As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years.  Non-disclosure papers? 

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids.  This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment.  The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome. 

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace?  First off, have you ever lost a child?  As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby.  I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes.  But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure. 

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating.  You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture. 

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results?  When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did?  Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year?  Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill.  No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year.  We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief.  Mayte could not do that.  We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum.  Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence.  People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit. 

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in.  Look at what happens with people who claim to love you.  They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad.  And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child.  You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this."  You're right.  He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb. 

If you don't want to read the book, then don't.  There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book.  If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt? 



 


Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.


Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.


 


 


Her being on that show is a figment of our imagination. Her crying on her Facebook page for tickets to see him concert that is a figment of our imagination. If someone treated me bad I would not want to be in a 100 foot radius of that person.
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Reply #288 posted 03/16/17 6:36am

benni

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.

Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.


Read what I said again (bolded). You are projecting on to her what you think she is saying from a small slice of the whole story. I ask you again, in the interviews you've read did you once see her mention the baby's real name?

I'm not acting like it is immaculate conception. I'm well aware that Ahmir was Prince's son, too. And she did not describe the child's birth as a horror show. You may have taken it that way, but I didn't. They were expecting a child to have some form of dwarfism, but the realization that they were dealing with a child with a much more devastating condition than what they were expecting was overwhelming to the both of them.

And pardon me for assuming that you won't be reading the book. Most of those that are upset about Mayte writing this book are saying they won't be reading it, and yet they read the excerpt and have come to this thread to talk about how wrong she is for writing it. I'm not projecting my issues on to you, as I have no issue with her writing her story. Again, most of those that have an issue with her sharing this part of HER life with others are stating they won't be reading it. However, I did assume you were a part of that group. And again, I do apologize for that.

And sharing your losses with the world (generic "you"), is a very personal decision to make. Some choose to not share, others do. I understand the want, the need, to talk about your child, about that experience. You obviously feel differently.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. She's written the book. Those that want to read the book, will. Those that don't, won't. It's as simple as that. My only hang up with all of this is people's needs to paint Mayte in a negative light because she is choosing to share HER story. Hopefully, it will have something of substance to it that will help others going through something so tragic.

Reply #289 posted 03/16/17 6:36am

wonder505

Militant said:

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Sooooo you do know that if the final edit of this book is the same as what was leaked, you're okay with us talking about Manuela and how she played into this story, cuz it aint pretty? Since we're all about talking about anything now since Prince is gone.

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Reply #290 posted 03/16/17 6:45am

CatB

benni said:

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.



Great post again. And he was also a very sweet person. He could control you with that sweetness. Mayte didn't strike me as naive back in the day but she was lured by his charisma too and adapted herself to him and his ideas. He could control in a playful way which made it so successful. But there comes a point when you wake up and realize what's going on. And then you have to deal with it alone. He doesn't go there with you. It's a process and she's doing just that - processing. She's still trying to find answers, like many of us. Writing is the way for many people to gain clarity and if she can provide answers for others in the process, all the better. If it's not for you, ignore and turn to something you need.

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Reply #291 posted 03/16/17 6:52am

paulludvig

Revealing other peoples secrets isn't right just because the circumstances of your life made you privy to those secrets.

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Reply #292 posted 03/16/17 6:56am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

She wasn't talking about his personal life outside of her personal life. She was talking about experiences that they shared and were, therefore, "our life too."

No, she was talking about his relationship with Susanna which was none of her business to discuss with media.

Sigh. No. That's not what the quote is about. I hesitated to post a larger quote for better context, but now I'm posting it below. Can you demonstrate how Lisa's quote and the context limit it to Wendy's twin sister? Of course these women mean the world to each other, but to say it's limited to that issue is just SPECULATION.

"Are you hitting a point in your career where things are finally turning around for you?
Lisa: Now its kinda just fun. I actually find myself enjoying my memories more.
Wendy: But well end up getting more calls from Prince because he cant stand when we talk about him.
Lisa: Hes always like, Could you just err on the side of privacy? Well, it was our life too, pal! Whatever. Its okay.
Wendy: Trust me, Barry. He will read this article and we will get a phone call and hell be pissed. Somewhere in this article hell find something to be pissed about."

http://www.out.com/entertainment/2009/04/16/revolution-will-be-harmonized

Please demonstrate that the subject of Lisa's quote and Prince's requests to "err on the side of privacy" are limited to twin sister only, as you are stating.

Reply #293 posted 03/16/17 7:01am

PennyPurple

wonder505 said:

Sooooo you do know that if the final edit of this book is the same as what was leaked, you're okay with us talking about Manuela and how she played into this story, cuz it aint pretty? Since we're all about talking about anything now since Prince is gone.

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There have been many a thread over Manuela. She is discussed all the time.

Reply #294 posted 03/16/17 7:10am

christraceyparade

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.


I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.


It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.


IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.


Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.


Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.


I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

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Reply #295 posted 03/16/17 7:16am

ufoclub

Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

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Reply #296 posted 03/16/17 7:17am

1Sasha

Years ago, the actress Loretta Young gave birth to a child out-of-wedlock. The little girl's biological father was Clark Gable. Ms. Young, some time later, pretended to adopt the child and then presented her as her daughter thereafter. Her daughter learned who her father was when she was older. I bring this story up because we are beyond the era when such secrets can be kept. There is no way Prince's life would remain secret after his death. Everything is going to come out (except that damn autopsy report). It is not just people wanting to cash in; it is the age we are living in. I have no problem with Mayte writing a book about her life with him.

Reply #297 posted 03/16/17 7:18am

lastdecember

This is the main problem I have with a lot of FANS. Many will think this is nothing more than an attempt to make money off PRINCE. Well lets look at for a moment. To most of the public they did not even know PRINCE was married and divorced once let alone twice, I would say about 95% of the world had no clue he was married again. Also MAYTE could have just done a tell all the day they broke up if she wanted too, she is a free person, she has a voicem, but she did not. Prince's death was difficult for fans but guess what, it was more difficult for those around him and working with him or had relationships with. We need to seriously just chill out and look at that for a moment, YES we miss him and want him here, but guess what, they want it more and hurt more, and half just as many questions as we do.

As for why people do this or that or suddenly now go on tour. Well this is there way of healing, getting out there and being with US makes them feel closer to HIM. So I have no issues with her writing this book, or The Revolution doing a full tour, or whomever wants to go out there and do it, i want them to do what they feel they need to do, so bring on Judith Hill and 3Rd Eye Girl and all of them, and just keep doing what they do, keep him PRESENT in the world.


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Reply #298 posted 03/16/17 7:19am

laurarichardson

ufoclub said:

Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

I do not think he was in a state of denial. According to interviews she did before he was the one that went and had the child cremated and he was the one that told the doctors to not spare any expense to save the child. I think not telling your personal business to Oprah is called being respectful and acting like an adult.

He greived and tried to move on.

Reply #299 posted 03/16/17 7:21am

wonder505

PennyPurple said:

wonder505 said:

Sooooo you do know that if the final edit of this book is the same as what was leaked, you're okay with us talking about Manuela and how she played into this story, cuz it aint pretty? Since we're all about talking about anything now since Prince is gone.

[Edited 3/16/17 6:39am]

There have been many a thread over Manuela. She is discussed all the time.

I know, my question directed more at Militant. Since that's his "friend". wink and Mayte made it clear in the copy I saw how it went down.

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Reply #300 posted 03/16/17 7:22am

PeteSilas

ufoclub said:

Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

I said it reminded me of the scene in rosemary's baby, the way it was written. I don't know if it happened like that, it sure is dramatic as hell and it's very sad. I think the same info could have been conveyed differently. and let us all not kid ourselves, when people write books, they do it for money, not for healing, not to humanize anyone, not to rectify anything but for money. I'm sure she didn't write it for free. I'm not really judging her, I just sometimes wish these people, people who write books wouldn't sugar coat things with lies. The people who wrote books about elvis did it for money, priscilla did it for money, his bodyguards did it for money. Even the first hackjob book about elvis before he died was supposedly written "to present him with a challenge" with only one of the bodyguards saying "it was out of bitterness".

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #301 posted 03/16/17 7:23am

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

Years ago, the actress Loretta Young gave birth to a child out-of-wedlock. The little girl's biological father was Clark Gable. Ms. Young, some time later, pretended to adopt the child and then presented her as her daughter thereafter. Her daughter learned who her father was when she was older. I bring this story up because we are beyond the era when such secrets can be kept. There is no way Prince's life would remain secret after his death. Everything is going to come out (except that damn autopsy report). It is not just people wanting to cash in; it is the age we are living in. I have no problem with Mayte writing a book about her life with him.

But what has come out? Mayte is not telling many of us anything we did not know already. She is just going into the details to sensationalize it. She could have put this on her Facebook page or started a blog. She also tried to put this out when he was alive which too me was insane and insensitive.

What is the big sceret that people are looking fo?r and how come none have come out in almost a year? We already knew this child passed it is not a secret.

Reply #302 posted 03/16/17 7:29am

ufoclub

PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

I said it reminded me of the scene in rosemary's baby, the way it was written. I don't know if it happened like that, it sure is dramatic as hell and it's very sad. I think the same info could have been conveyed differently. and let us all not kid ourselves, when people write books, they do it for money, not for healing, not to humanize anyone, not to rectify anything but for money. I'm sure she didn't write it for free. I'm not really judging her, I just sometimes wish these people, people who write books wouldn't sugar coat things with lies. The people who wrote books about elvis did it for money, priscilla did it for money, his bodyguards did it for money. Even the first hackjob book about elvis before he died was supposedly written "to present him with a challenge" with only one of the bodyguards saying "it was out of bitterness".

Regardless of the paycheck... I think people are up in arms because Mayte is not lying, not sugar coating the traumatic circumstances of her child's birth.

I suspect the immediate reason Prince directed her and controlled himself to deny it and to go onto Oprah was also to make $ through weaving and promoting a brand, regardless of the risk of psychological aftermath denial might shift his life in the long run.

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Reply #303 posted 03/16/17 7:30am

lastdecember

christraceyparade said:

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.


I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.


It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.


IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.


Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.


Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.


I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

[Edited 3/16/17 7:15am]

[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]

Well everyone is entitled to their opinions, I have to disagree. Mayte has the right to share what she wants to share just as PRINCE had the right not to. Just because he may have told her to keep quiet, she is a human being. The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father, also not to forget she also miscarried once i believe later on in their marriage. To have OPRAH in your house and then have MAYTE who was at the time barely 23 that is not an age where she is able to cope with this better, literally weeks after the child is dead, Oprah is in the house and she is instructed to "keep hush" and "hold it together", granted that was his thing to do, for the camera for his world he felt that was right and I always respected him for not letting the public in, but 20 years later after PRINCE has passed this story coming out or MAYTE breaking her silence is not disrespectful or harmful to anyone. Fact is the 90's were an era people thought PRINCE was "crazy" "insane" "spoiled" etc.. though us loyal fans stuck with me all through it, the public and mainstream dismissed him. As I said before general public never knew there was a child, and almost NONE knew he had another wife, barely half knew Mayte.


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Reply #304 posted 03/16/17 7:38am

wonder505

lastdecember said:

Well everyone is entitled to their opinions, I have to disagree. Mayte has the right to share what she wants to share just as PRINCE had the right not to. Just because he may have told her to keep quiet, she is a human being. The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father, also not to forget she also miscarried once i believe later on in their marriage. To have OPRAH in your house and then have MAYTE who was at the time barely 23 that is not an age where she is able to cope with this better, literally weeks after the child is dead, Oprah is in the house and she is instructed to "keep hush" and "hold it together", granted that was his thing to do, for the camera for his world he felt that was right and I always respected him for not letting the public in, but 20 years later after PRINCE has passed this story coming out or MAYTE breaking her silence is not disrespectful or harmful to anyone. Fact is the 90's were an era people thought PRINCE was "crazy" "insane" "spoiled" etc.. though us loyal fans stuck with me all through it, the public and mainstream dismissed him. As I said before general public never knew there was a child, and almost NONE knew he had another wife, barely half knew Mayte.

I hear what you're saying but its a little scary to say that nothing is sacred. Anything can be talked about. I dont know how I feel about that.

Reply #305 posted 03/16/17 7:45am

laurarichardson

lastdecember said:

christraceyparade said:

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.


I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.


It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.


IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.


Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.


Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.


I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

[Edited 3/16/17 7:15am]

[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]

Well everyone is entitled to their opinions, I have to disagree. Mayte has the right to share what she wants to share just as PRINCE had the right not to. Just because he may have told her to keep quiet, she is a human being. The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father, also not to forget she also miscarried once i believe later on in their marriage. To have OPRAH in your house and then have MAYTE who was at the time barely 23 that is not an age where she is able to cope with this better, literally weeks after the child is dead, Oprah is in the house and she is instructed to "keep hush" and "hold it together", granted that was his thing to do, for the camera for his world he felt that was right and I always respected him for not letting the public in, but 20 years later after PRINCE has passed this story coming out or MAYTE breaking her silence is not disrespectful or harmful to anyone. Fact is the 90's were an era people thought PRINCE was "crazy" "insane" "spoiled" etc.. though us loyal fans stuck with me all through it, the public and mainstream dismissed him. As I said before general public never knew there was a child, and almost NONE knew he had another wife, barely half knew Mayte.

"The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father"

Well that is it in a nutshell. His feelings don't mean shit to her and probaly never did and they mean nothing to anyone on this board. Wow glad you had the balls to admit it. Fathers feelings don't matter. Whoa!!!

Reply #306 posted 03/16/17 7:46am

laurarichardson

ufoclub said:

PeteSilas said:

I said it reminded me of the scene in rosemary's baby, the way it was written. I don't know if it happened like that, it sure is dramatic as hell and it's very sad. I think the same info could have been conveyed differently. and let us all not kid ourselves, when people write books, they do it for money, not for healing, not to humanize anyone, not to rectify anything but for money. I'm sure she didn't write it for free. I'm not really judging her, I just sometimes wish these people, people who write books wouldn't sugar coat things with lies. The people who wrote books about elvis did it for money, priscilla did it for money, his bodyguards did it for money. Even the first hackjob book about elvis before he died was supposedly written "to present him with a challenge" with only one of the bodyguards saying "it was out of bitterness".

Regardless of the paycheck... I think people are up in arms because Mayte is not lying, not sugar coating the traumatic circumstances of her child's birth.

I suspect the immediate reason Prince directed her and controlled himself to deny it and to go onto Oprah was also to make $ through weaving and promoting a brand, regardless of the risk of psychological aftermath denial might shift his life in the long run.

She may be lying about a few things because some things to do not mesh with stuff she said before but you guys will see when the book comes out.

Reply #307 posted 03/16/17 7:50am

PurpleMedley122

paulludvig said:

Revealing other peoples secrets isn't right just because the circumstances of your life made you privy to those secrets.


What secrets is she revealing though?

That they lost a child? Other than the name of the child that as his mother she has every right to reveal, we all knew that.

That he had a drug problem? Unless you're one of those people on this forum still in denial (I hope not), he's dead. We know why.

Even the leaked manuscript proves that the book isn't exactly filled with unknown "secrets".
Reply #308 posted 03/16/17 7:57am

PeteSilas

ufoclub said:

PeteSilas said:

I said it reminded me of the scene in rosemary's baby, the way it was written. I don't know if it happened like that, it sure is dramatic as hell and it's very sad. I think the same info could have been conveyed differently. and let us all not kid ourselves, when people write books, they do it for money, not for healing, not to humanize anyone, not to rectify anything but for money. I'm sure she didn't write it for free. I'm not really judging her, I just sometimes wish these people, people who write books wouldn't sugar coat things with lies. The people who wrote books about elvis did it for money, priscilla did it for money, his bodyguards did it for money. Even the first hackjob book about elvis before he died was supposedly written "to present him with a challenge" with only one of the bodyguards saying "it was out of bitterness".

Regardless of the paycheck... I think people are up in arms because Mayte is not lying, not sugar coating the traumatic circumstances of her child's birth.

I suspect the immediate reason Prince directed her and controlled himself to deny it and to go onto Oprah was also to make $ through weaving and promoting a brand, regardless of the risk of psychological aftermath denial might shift his life in the long run.

you think so? I thought that's just how prince dealt with everything, just pretend it's no big deal and bury himself in work. Prince was a strong person, i can see that having something to do with how he died too, just a freakishly uncompromising, strong individual who wouldn't tolerate anything but excellence.

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Reply #309 posted 03/16/17 8:05am

rogifan

PurpleMedley122 said:

paulludvig said:

Revealing other peoples secrets isn't right just because the circumstances of your life made you privy to those secrets.


What secrets is she revealing though?

That they lost a child? Other than the name of the child that as his mother she has every right to reveal, we all knew that.

That he had a drug problem? Unless you're one of those people on this forum still in denial (I hope not), he's dead. We know why.

Even the leaked manuscript proves that the book isn't exactly filled with unknown "secrets".

He had a drug problem when he was married to her? Even though she says she never saw him take anything? And that drug problem continued until April 2016 yet somehow he was able to successfully record albums and do big and small tours among plenty of other things - all while having a drug problem for 20+ years? I guess he was really superman.
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Reply #310 posted 03/16/17 8:07am

HatrinaHaterwitz

Militant said:

rogifan said:

Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his?


Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples.

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.



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Reply #311 posted 03/16/17 8:11am

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

PurpleMedley122 said:
What secrets is she revealing though? That they lost a child? Other than the name of the child that as his mother she has every right to reveal, we all knew that. That he had a drug problem? Unless you're one of those people on this forum still in denial (I hope not), he's dead. We know why. Even the leaked manuscript proves that the book isn't exactly filled with unknown "secrets".
He had a drug problem when he was married to her? Even though she says she never saw him take anything? And that drug problem continued until April 2016 yet somehow he was able to successfully record albums and do big and small tours among plenty of other things - all while having a drug problem for 20+ years? I guess he was really superman.

Well she said she never saw him using drugs but some of her Vicoden went missing and later he was sick and asked to throw some meds away but she did not look to see what they were WTF.

She also said that vomit would be laying aroung the studio ( a known germ a phobe neat freak leaves vomit laying aroung ) and that he told her he had bad migraine headaches that sometimes made his stomach upset and made his zone out.

I find it interesting that she even brings this shit up at all. Either you saw him using drugs or you did not and how can you be married to someone and not notice is beyond me. I also do not believe for one minute he was abusing pain pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did. I can believe that he had a RX at some point and things to a wrong turn later in his life. I can believe he had joint pain, migranes and seizures. He was a person prone to health issues just like anyone else.

I really question if she ever really cared about him.

Reply #312 posted 03/16/17 8:13am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

Regardless of the paycheck... I think people are up in arms because Mayte is not lying, not sugar coating the traumatic circumstances of her child's birth.

I suspect the immediate reason Prince directed her and controlled himself to deny it and to go onto Oprah was also to make $ through weaving and promoting a brand, regardless of the risk of psychological aftermath denial might shift his life in the long run.

you think so? I thought that's just how prince dealt with everything, just pretend it's no big deal and bury himself in work. Prince was a strong person, i can see that having something to do with how he died too, just a freakishly uncompromising, strong individual who wouldn't tolerate anything but excellence.

He was a strong person who was going to push on. I do not buy the psycho babble.

Reply #313 posted 03/16/17 8:13am

CatB

PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

Regardless of the paycheck... I think people are up in arms because Mayte is not lying, not sugar coating the traumatic circumstances of her child's birth.

I suspect the immediate reason Prince directed her and controlled himself to deny it and to go onto Oprah was also to make $ through weaving and promoting a brand, regardless of the risk of psychological aftermath denial might shift his life in the long run.

you think so? I thought that's just how prince dealt with everything, just pretend it's no big deal and bury himself in work. Prince was a strong person, i can see that having something to do with how he died too, just a freakishly uncompromising, strong individual who wouldn't tolerate anything but excellence.


You don't go on OPRAH for that.


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Reply #314 posted 03/16/17 8:19am

PeteSilas

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

you think so? I thought that's just how prince dealt with everything, just pretend it's no big deal and bury himself in work. Prince was a strong person, i can see that having something to do with how he died too, just a freakishly uncompromising, strong individual who wouldn't tolerate anything but excellence.


You don't go on OPRAH for that.


the oprah show might have been slated way before the kids birth. I wonder how it would have all panned out if he'd just been open about it. Prince, i don't think, wanted pity or sympathy much less having his business out there in the open. Sure it might have seemed odd to those of us who watched it all happen but maybe Prince thought that was the best venue available. What we know today is that what the people who said "it's abnormal to react with no emotion to a tragedy like that" were wrong. Prince was hurt by it, very hurt, I always think of his sons death when I listen to way back home and he says "so many reasons why I don't belong here".

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Reply #315 posted 03/16/17 8:19am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

 



rogifan said:


PurpleMedley122 said:
What secrets is she revealing though? That they lost a child? Other than the name of the child that as his mother she has every right to reveal, we all knew that. That he had a drug problem? Unless you're one of those people on this forum still in denial (I hope not), he's dead. We know why. Even the leaked manuscript proves that the book isn't exactly filled with unknown "secrets".

He had a drug problem when he was married to her? Even though she says she never saw him take anything? And that drug problem continued until April 2016 yet somehow he was able to successfully record albums and do big and small tours among plenty of other things - all while having a drug problem for 20+ years? I guess he was really superman.

Well she said she never saw him using drugs but some of her Vicoden went missing and later he was sick and asked to throw some meds away but she did not look to see what they were WTF. 


 


She also said that vomit would be laying aroung the studio ( a known germ a phobe neat freak leaves vomit laying aroung ) and that he told her he had bad migraine headaches that sometimes made his stomach upset and made his zone out.  


 


I find it interesting that she even brings this shit up at all. Either you saw him using drugs or you did not and how can you be married to someone and not notice is beyond me. I also do not believe for one minute he was abusing pain pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did. I can believe that he had a RX at some point and things to a wrong turn later in his life. I can believe he had joint pain, migranes and seizures. He was a person prone to health issues just like anyone else. 


 


I really question if she ever really cared about him. 


It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:

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Reply #316 posted 03/16/17 8:23am

CatB

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:


You don't go on OPRAH for that.


the oprah show might have been slated way before the kids birth. I wonder how it would have all panned out if he'd just been open about it. Prince, i don't think, wanted pity or sympathy much less having his business out there in the open. Sure it might have seemed odd to those of us who watched it all happen but maybe Prince thought that was the best venue available. What we know today is that what the people who said "it's abnormal to react with no emotion to a tragedy like that" were wrong. Prince was hurt by it, very hurt, I always think of his sons death when I listen to way back home and he says "so many reasons why I don't belong here".


I was meaning to say that he wasn't strong.


"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #317 posted 03/16/17 8:26am

ufoclub

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

you think so? I thought that's just how prince dealt with everything, just pretend it's no big deal and bury himself in work. Prince was a strong person, i can see that having something to do with how he died too, just a freakishly uncompromising, strong individual who wouldn't tolerate anything but excellence.

He was a strong person who was going to push on. I do not buy the psycho babble.

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

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Reply #318 posted 03/16/17 8:28am

HatrinaHaterwitz

I'm finding her account of things interesting and enlightening. I remember watching that Oprah special at PP in utter disbelief that 1. Her nosy ass was there trying to get a scoop. 2. The look in Mayte's eyes, even though she tried real hard to hide it, was of pure devastation. 3. And looked so lost in his denial. I wept for them because I could just feel that they were in so much pain. And now I know I wasn't mistaken about that.

Prince never dealt with what happened with their child and perhaps if he had, things could have been different for them. shrug

"Style is loving yourself 'til everyone else does too."
You certainly proved that Prince, beyond any doubt.
Reply #319 posted 03/16/17 8:30am

laurarichardson

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

the oprah show might have been slated way before the kids birth. I wonder how it would have all panned out if he'd just been open about it. Prince, i don't think, wanted pity or sympathy much less having his business out there in the open. Sure it might have seemed odd to those of us who watched it all happen but maybe Prince thought that was the best venue available. What we know today is that what the people who said "it's abnormal to react with no emotion to a tragedy like that" were wrong. Prince was hurt by it, very hurt, I always think of his sons death when I listen to way back home and he says "so many reasons why I don't belong here".


I was meaning to say that he wasn't strong.


If Prince was not strong then what is strong. This guy did not stop working when his parents died. He may have been working with joint pain for a decade or more. He once stayed up for 3 days recording music and would do after shows that would go until 6:00 in the morning. He was a strong ass man.

Reply #320 posted 03/16/17 8:34am

laurarichardson

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I'm finding her account of things interesting and enlightening. I remember watching that Oprah special at PP in utter disbelief that 1. Her nosy ass was there trying to get a scoop. 2. The look in Mayte's eyes, even though she tried real hard to hide it, was of pure devastation. 3. And looked so lost in his denial. I wept for them because I could just feel that they were in so much pain. And now I know I wasn't mistaken about that.

Prince never dealt with what happened with their child and perhaps if he had, things could have been different for them. shrug

We have no means of knowing that?

My guess is the interview was set up before hand and he wanted to focus on the music not his child's death on national T.V. I just do not see why people do not understand that. It was not the time or place.

Everybody greives in there own manner and no one can tell someone how to greive. According to her orignal story he made the funeral arrangements and he worked with the doctors concerning the surgeries the child needed. He was on the scence being a Dad as a wife you have to respect that and I think she was too immature at the time to do so. He lost a baby just like she did it was not all about her.

Reply #321 posted 03/16/17 8:36am

HombreX

100% agree. Eye still have a hard time referring 2 P in past tense, but it's true, he's no longer in the physical universe, & Mayte is. Don't know if eye'll get the book, eye'm tired of crying, of being sad, of the emptiness. But eye support Mayte doing what she feels she needs 2 do.

Militant said:

least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Reply #322 posted 03/16/17 8:37am

CatB

ufoclub said:

laurarichardson said:

He was a strong person who was going to push on. I do not buy the psycho babble.

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.


This exactly.

And he never complained or let it show in public but in private he had many shoulders to cry on, many who had to listen and catch him although they had their own life and challenges.

"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #323 posted 03/16/17 8:39am

HombreX

Militant said:

rogifan said:

Mayte has a right to tell her side of the story my first question would be when did Prince tell his?


Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples.

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.



Well said!!!

Reply #324 posted 03/16/17 8:42am

PeteSilas

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

the oprah show might have been slated way before the kids birth. I wonder how it would have all panned out if he'd just been open about it. Prince, i don't think, wanted pity or sympathy much less having his business out there in the open. Sure it might have seemed odd to those of us who watched it all happen but maybe Prince thought that was the best venue available. What we know today is that what the people who said "it's abnormal to react with no emotion to a tragedy like that" were wrong. Prince was hurt by it, very hurt, I always think of his sons death when I listen to way back home and he says "so many reasons why I don't belong here".


I was meaning to say that he wasn't strong.


well, can't agree with you there then.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #325 posted 03/16/17 8:48am

XxAxX

KeithyT said:

Her life, her body, her love, her memories, her decision, her happiness, her pain, her joy, her book, her money, her truth.


 


No need to bash anybody.


This. Well said.
Reply #326 posted 03/16/17 8:49am

PeteSilas

ufoclub said:

laurarichardson said:

He was a strong person who was going to push on. I do not buy the psycho babble.

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

maybe that's all he knew how to do, I don't think it's fair to judge him for it. Maybe you'd be happy if he'd had a nervous breakdown and dissapeared from the public eye for the rest of his life. Some people have surmised that's what killed him too, him almost dying, pretending everything is fine and then dying a few days later. Maybe that was his only strategy for dealing with things, it took him through a lot. Sometimes, if you do not trust anyone, you know better than to show vulnerability. It was a difficult situation, there was no way that he could have handled it that would have made everything alright. And we know he dealt with it privately like he did most things. I really do believe that while he wanted fame, he also desperately wanted privacy too. That's why to this day, the people around him won't tell us everything about what killed him. they knew he wouldn't want that and to date they are respecting that but we'll just have to see how long that lasts.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #327 posted 03/16/17 8:49am

HombreX

KeithyT said:

Her life, her body, her love, her memories, her decision, her happiness, her pain, her joy, her book, her money, her truth.

No need to bash anybody.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, & YES!!! All this judgment about what another's motives r is SPECULATION @ best, & reflection of the judger's actual nature, @ worst.

Reply #328 posted 03/16/17 8:50am

rednblue

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

the oprah show might have been slated way before the kids birth. I wonder how it would have all panned out if he'd just been open about it. Prince, i don't think, wanted pity or sympathy much less having his business out there in the open. Sure it might have seemed odd to those of us who watched it all happen but maybe Prince thought that was the best venue available. What we know today is that what the people who said "it's abnormal to react with no emotion to a tragedy like that" were wrong. Prince was hurt by it, very hurt, I always think of his sons death when I listen to way back home and he says "so many reasons why I don't belong here".


I was meaning to say that he wasn't strong.


I'm struck by your words here.

Some people are describing the strength involved with Prince's work ethic and some of what he worked straight through and how he was known for pressing on ahead, sometimes in the face of unimaginable exhaustion and crushing life events.

I read something recently where a writer said maybe one of Prince's greatest strengths was also one of his greatest vulnerabilities.

Does this ring true to you at all?



Reply #329 posted 03/16/17 8:52am

HombreX

U r AWESOME!!! Thank u 4 all u said!!! & eye'm so, so sorry 4 ur loss!!!

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Reply #330 posted 03/16/17 8:53am

1Sasha

XxAxX said:

KeithyT said:

Her life, her body, her love, her memories, her decision, her happiness, her pain, her joy, her book, her money, her truth.

No need to bash anybody.

This. Well said.

I agree with you.

Reply #331 posted 03/16/17 8:54am

Genesia

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

you think so? I thought that's just how prince dealt with everything, just pretend it's no big deal and bury himself in work. Prince was a strong person, i can see that having something to do with how he died too, just a freakishly uncompromising, strong individual who wouldn't tolerate anything but excellence.


You don't go on OPRAH for that.



When you have an album coming out (which he did - Emancipation was released in November of 1996), you sure as hell do.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #332 posted 03/16/17 8:57am

PeteSilas

susan rogers was asked what one word would sum prince up, she almost said discipline but she said courage. No matter what he was going through, no matter how sick he was he would be there working. Sometimes the best thing you can do is carry on, falling apart certainly wasn't an option was it?

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #333 posted 03/16/17 8:58am

HerecomethePurpleYoda

Prince's ex-wife Mayte Garcia on singer's drug use: 'There were disturbing occasions'


https://www.yahoo.com/new...57374.html

[Edited 3/16/17 9:03am]

Reply #334 posted 03/16/17 9:00am

PeteSilas

why is that link dead? I assume Mayte will also say something about the fabled overdose on asperin and wine that Prince supposedly had in 96 too.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #335 posted 03/16/17 9:00am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

maybe that's all he knew how to do, I don't think it's fair to judge him for it. Maybe you'd be happy if he'd had a nervous breakdown and dissapeared from the public eye for the rest of his life. Some people have surmised that's what killed him too, him almost dying, pretending everything is fine and then dying a few days later. Maybe that was his only strategy for dealing with things, it took him through a lot. Sometimes, if you do not trust anyone, you know better than to show vulnerability. It was a difficult situation, there was no way that he could have handled it that would have made everything alright. And we know he dealt with it privately like he did most things. I really do believe that while he wanted fame, he also desperately wanted privacy too. That's why to this day, the people around him won't tell us everything about what killed him. they knew he wouldn't want that and to date they are respecting that but we'll just have to see how long that lasts.

Thank you. Dude was not going to have no nevrous breakdown on National T.V. What good would that have done for anyone other than people who want to see you weak? He got thrown into the streets when he was young and once said he raised himself you do not go throught that being a weak person. In addtion, as a husband and a man he was suppose to be strong in the public. I am sure he cried behind closed doors and grieved for that child. It is mean and nasty to imply anything else when we simply were not around to see him breakdown.

Reply #336 posted 03/16/17 9:03am

PeteSilas

here's the only thing i saw regarding mayte's drug allegations:http://people.com/music/prince-ex-wife-mayte-garcia-never-saw-drugs-admits-disturbing-incidents/

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #337 posted 03/16/17 9:03am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

susan rogers was asked what one word would sum prince up, she almost said discipline but she said courage. No matter what he was going through, no matter how sick he was he would be there working. Sometimes the best thing you can do is carry on, falling apart certainly wasn't an option was it?

It was not an option for him and some people on this board need to stop projecting.

That dude helped loads of people with medical bills and funerals he had compassion for people.

This chick is twisting this to get people to buy a book. If he was my brother I would call her out her name every which would that I could. I wish he made better choices with the women he married as I feel he had a serious flaw when it came to women.

Reply #338 posted 03/16/17 9:04am

rednblue

PeteSilas said:

ufoclub said:

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

maybe that's all he knew how to do, I don't think it's fair to judge him for it. Maybe you'd be happy if he'd had a nervous breakdown and dissapeared from the public eye for the rest of his life. Some people have surmised that's what killed him too, him almost dying, pretending everything is fine and then dying a few days later. Maybe that was his only strategy for dealing with things, it took him through a lot. Sometimes, if you do not trust anyone, you know better than to show vulnerability. It was a difficult situation, there was no way that he could have handled it that would have made everything alright. And we know he dealt with it privately like he did most things. I really do believe that while he wanted fame, he also desperately wanted privacy too. That's why to this day, the people around him won't tell us everything about what killed him. they knew he wouldn't want that and to date they are respecting that but we'll just have to see how long that lasts.

I really appreciate the "push on" post, and we know the poster wouldn't have been happy for a nervous breakdown in and of itself. If the scenario you described, with breakdown and dissapearance from the public eye did in fact happen to an artist, there might well be many things gained and many things lost for all involved.

This brings me to what I appreciate about your comment. I appreciate you pointing out that there was probably no path that would be at all easy, just paths with different joys and different losses. In a way, this is an obvious fact about life and the choices people make, but it's somehow still something that I, personally, can't be reminded of enough.

Reply #339 posted 03/16/17 9:05am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

here's the only thing i saw regarding mayte's drug allegations:http://people.com/music/prince-ex-wife-mayte-garcia-never-saw-drugs-admits-disturbing-incidents/

She said he told her in 96 he drank too much wine with aspirin because he said he had terrible migraine headaches.

Reply #340 posted 03/16/17 9:09am

sonshine

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

 



rogifan said:


PurpleMedley122 said:
What secrets is she revealing though? That they lost a child? Other than the name of the child that as his mother she has every right to reveal, we all knew that. That he had a drug problem? Unless you're one of those people on this forum still in denial (I hope not), he's dead. We know why. Even the leaked manuscript proves that the book isn't exactly filled with unknown "secrets".

He had a drug problem when he was married to her? Even though she says she never saw him take anything? And that drug problem continued until April 2016 yet somehow he was able to successfully record albums and do big and small tours among plenty of other things - all while having a drug problem for 20+ years? I guess he was really superman.

Well she said she never saw him using drugs but some of her Vicoden went missing and later he was sick and asked to throw some meds away but she did not look to see what they were WTF. 


 


She also said that vomit would be laying aroung the studio ( a known germ a phobe neat freak leaves vomit laying aroung ) and that he told her he had bad migraine headaches that sometimes made his stomach upset and made his zone out.  


 


I find it interesting that she even brings this shit up at all. Either you saw him using drugs or you did not and how can you be married to someone and not notice is beyond me. I also do not believe for one minute he was abusing pain pills for 20 years and lived as long as he did. I can believe that he had a RX at some point and things to a wrong turn later in his life. I can believe he had joint pain, migranes and seizures. He was a person prone to health issues just like anyone else. 


 


I really question if she ever really cared about him. 


It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:

Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance.
As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.
Have you had your plus sign (+) today?
Reply #341 posted 03/16/17 9:11am

HerecomethePurpleYoda

PeteSilas said:

why is that link dead? I assume Mayte will also say something about the fabled overdose on asperin and wine that Prince supposedly had in 96 too.

Try that link again: https://www.yahoo.com/new...57374.html

Reply #342 posted 03/16/17 9:12am

PeteSilas

rednblue said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe that's all he knew how to do, I don't think it's fair to judge him for it. Maybe you'd be happy if he'd had a nervous breakdown and dissapeared from the public eye for the rest of his life. Some people have surmised that's what killed him too, him almost dying, pretending everything is fine and then dying a few days later. Maybe that was his only strategy for dealing with things, it took him through a lot. Sometimes, if you do not trust anyone, you know better than to show vulnerability. It was a difficult situation, there was no way that he could have handled it that would have made everything alright. And we know he dealt with it privately like he did most things. I really do believe that while he wanted fame, he also desperately wanted privacy too. That's why to this day, the people around him won't tell us everything about what killed him. they knew he wouldn't want that and to date they are respecting that but we'll just have to see how long that lasts.

I really appreciate the "push on" post, and we know the poster wouldn't have been happy for a nervous breakdown in and of itself. If the scenario you described, with breakdown and dissapearance from the public eye did in fact happen to an artist, there might well be many things gained and many things lost for all involved.

This brings me to what I appreciate about your comment. I appreciate you pointing out that there was probably no path that would be at all easy, just paths with different joys and different losses. In a way, this is an obvious fact about life and the choices people make, but it's somehow still something that I, personally, can't be reminded of enough.

absolutely, sometimes life doesn't give you win/lose options, sometimes it's lose/lose/lose and you just have to get through it somehow. My brother almost ended up homeless when our mom died, me, having been through a lot more heartache in my life didn't really know how to just stop everything. I just couldn't, I missed a day or two of school and then I got right back to work before i was so far behind that i'd never catch up. Our life in this society really doesn't make it easy for someone to fall apart, or to grieve, or to slow down. What can we do about that? we didn't create this system, but we can't just let it chew us up. Don't they say most people are a couple paychecks from being homeless? It doesn't take much to fall apart, I've seen it happen to stronger men than me and a lot of it just comes right out of the meanness of other people. So, in that way, i get where prince is coming from. So screw all the people saying prince should have handled it better/different.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #343 posted 03/16/17 9:14am

CatB

rednblue said:

CatB said:


I was meaning to say that he wasn't strong.


I'm struck by your words here.

Some people are describing the strength involved with Prince's work ethic and some of what he worked straight through and how he was known for pressing on ahead, sometimes in the face of unimaginable exhaustion and crushing life events.

I read something recently where a writer said maybe one of Prince's greatest strengths was also one of his greatest vulnerabilities.

Does this ring true to you at all?




Yes, hence my agreeing with what this poster said:

ufoclub said:

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

This burying himself in work is a very good expression when it comes to Prince, by the way.

However, I was not so much referring to his approach when it came to professional matters but to his dealing with his personal tragedies. Masking is a very good word here. To the outside, everything was always cool but as I said he had many shoulders to cry on behind the scenes, many who had to listen to him and pick him up again. Be part of the game.

Don't misunderstand me, as some here know, I spent some time with him and there are no words for the love I still feel for the man but I see him for what he was, not for the image he projected.

[Edited 3/16/17 9:32am]

"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #344 posted 03/16/17 9:17am

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

rogifan said:
It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:
Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance. As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.

She tried to put this book out when he was alive and well and guess what he stopped. So we know he would not have liked it. End of story.

Do you think Mrs high school diploma Mayte has any knowledge about substance abuse to know what the hell she is talking about?

I think we are all capable of reading and many do have people in their lives grappling with this issue. We have had people on this board who claim to be medical professionals who get shouted down because they do not back up 20 year stedy diet of pain pills and working like a demon with no effecto on him as possible.

No one has to get over anything and no one gets to tell people what to say. Mayte is being taken to task because many of the things she is saying are the exact opposite of what she said before and her ablity to make money off her sons death is tacky. People are going to call her on it and they are doing all across the internet. So she had better get use to it. Please do not think she will be the only person who will get this treatment. She wanted to be first so she can take the heat from being first.

Reply #345 posted 03/16/17 9:17am

PeteSilas

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

PeteSilas said:

why is that link dead? I assume Mayte will also say something about the fabled overdose on asperin and wine that Prince supposedly had in 96 too.

Try that link again: https://www.yahoo.com/new...57374.html

thanks, just read it.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #346 posted 03/16/17 9:18am

rednblue

PeteSilas said:

rednblue said:

I really appreciate the "push on" post, and we know the poster wouldn't have been happy for a nervous breakdown in and of itself. If the scenario you described, with breakdown and dissapearance from the public eye did in fact happen to an artist, there might well be many things gained and many things lost for all involved.

This brings me to what I appreciate about your comment. I appreciate you pointing out that there was probably no path that would be at all easy, just paths with different joys and different losses. In a way, this is an obvious fact about life and the choices people make, but it's somehow still something that I, personally, can't be reminded of enough.

absolutely, sometimes life doesn't give you win/lose options, sometimes it's lose/lose/lose and you just have to get through it somehow. My brother almost ended up homeless when our mom died, me, having been through a lot more heartache in my life didn't really know how to just stop everything. I just couldn't, I missed a day or two of school and then I got right back to work before i was so far behind that i'd never catch up. Our life in this society really doesn't make it easy for someone to fall apart, or to grieve, or to slow down. What can we do about that? we didn't create this system, but we can't just let it chew us up. Don't they say most people are a couple paychecks from being homeless? It doesn't take much to fall apart, I've seen it happen to stronger men than me and a lot of it just comes right out of the meanness of other people. So, in that way, i get where prince is coming from. So screw all the people saying prince should have handled it better/different.

I'm so sorry to hear of the painful times you've been through. I'm glad to hear that you have music and other passions to bring you comfort and joy.

Reply #347 posted 03/16/17 9:18am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

rednblue said:

I really appreciate the "push on" post, and we know the poster wouldn't have been happy for a nervous breakdown in and of itself. If the scenario you described, with breakdown and dissapearance from the public eye did in fact happen to an artist, there might well be many things gained and many things lost for all involved.

This brings me to what I appreciate about your comment. I appreciate you pointing out that there was probably no path that would be at all easy, just paths with different joys and different losses. In a way, this is an obvious fact about life and the choices people make, but it's somehow still something that I, personally, can't be reminded of enough.

absolutely, sometimes life doesn't give you win/lose options, sometimes it's lose/lose/lose and you just have to get through it somehow. My brother almost ended up homeless when our mom died, me, having been through a lot more heartache in my life didn't really know how to just stop everything. I just couldn't, I missed a day or two of school and then I got right back to work before i was so far behind that i'd never catch up. Our life in this society really doesn't make it easy for someone to fall apart, or to grieve, or to slow down. What can we do about that? we didn't create this system, but we can't just let it chew us up. Don't they say most people are a couple paychecks from being homeless? It doesn't take much to fall apart, I've seen it happen to stronger men than me and a lot of it just comes right out of the meanness of other people. So, in that way, i get where prince is coming from. So screw all the people saying prince should have handled it better/different.

Cosign they were not in his shoes. It is okay to demonize him but his ex wife gets a pass.

Reply #348 posted 03/16/17 9:30am

PurpleMedley122

sonshine said:

rogifan said:


It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:

Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance.
As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.

Thank you. I swear you would think that Mayte was pure evil the way they talk about a still grieving mother on here. Or that Prince just dropped dead or was murdered by the illuminati or something. It's embarrassing.
Reply #349 posted 03/16/17 9:30am

CatB

Genesia said:

CatB said:


You don't go on OPRAH for that.



When you have an album coming out (which he did - Emancipation was released in November of 1996), you sure as hell do.


Going on Oprah is not burying yourself in work, it's putting yourself out there. He could have done it, withdrawing again and only trust the music. He could have called it off. Everyone would have understood. To sit on a show (and not even having told his wife in advance) that sells by playing on people's emotions, with eyes that tell the whole story, that's not Prince being strong. It was Prince again who had so many feelings and words inside but couldn't articulate them. The child that hopes the older ones will just see and understand and tell him it's not his fault and everything's gonna be alright.


"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #350 posted 03/16/17 9:32am

ufoclub

laurarichardson said:

Thank you. Dude was not going to have no nevrous breakdown on National T.V. What good would that have done for anyone other than people who want to see you weak? He got thrown into the streets when he was young and once said he raised himself you do not go throught that being a weak person. In addtion, as a husband and a man he was suppose to be strong in the public. I am sure he cried behind closed doors and grieved for that child. It is mean and nasty to imply anything else when we simply were not around to see him breakdown.

I can't believe how you are characterizing and judging Prince with only your opinion as support. Assuming that if he honestly admitted the tragedy it would result in a nervous breakdown. Or that he had to, as a husband or man, be strong in public. That last bit there is especially horrible backwards ass thinking. Especially regarding a human being who made popular art out of the notion of being honest about his feminine side, his sensitive romanticsm, and physical sexuality with no shame. That idea of requirement to be strong in public as a masculine duty has led to a lot of evil in the world and a lot of hurt and death.



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Reply #351 posted 03/16/17 9:33am

rednblue

ufoclub said:

laurarichardson said:

He was a strong person who was going to push on. I do not buy the psycho babble.

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

I really appreciate this post. There is no lack of respect for work ethic, or lack of understanding what staying afloat can require, in your statement. I think it's kind and wise to care about harm from denial. It can ravage a person.

Reply #352 posted 03/16/17 9:34am

PeteSilas

PurpleMedley122 said:

sonshine said:
Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance. As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.
Thank you. I swear you would think that Mayte was pure evil the way they talk about a still grieving mother on here. Or that Prince just dropped dead or was murdered by the illuminati or something. It's embarrassing.

i think it's natural, people love someone, they don't want to see things making the person look bad. it happened with Elvis too, journalists, great, smart journalists couldn't get past hating priscilla for 1. divorcing elvis and 2. writing a book that is most likely a lot worse than mayte's. Lisa Marie still hates most of the bodyguards around elvis for writing the books they did, surprising that she didn't hold her mom to the same standard because her mom made public some real bad stuff.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #353 posted 03/16/17 9:42am

rednblue

PeteSilas said:

PurpleMedley122 said:

sonshine said: Thank you. I swear you would think that Mayte was pure evil the way they talk about a still grieving mother on here. Or that Prince just dropped dead or was murdered by the illuminati or something. It's embarrassing.

i think it's natural, people love someone, they don't want to see things making the person look bad. it happened with Elvis too, journalists, great, smart journalists couldn't get past hating priscilla for 1. divorcing elvis and 2. writing a book that is most likely a lot worse than mayte's. Lisa Marie still hates most of the bodyguards around elvis for writing the books they did, surprising that she didn't hold her mom to the same standard because her mom made public some real bad stuff.

Thank you for that larger perspective.

Reply #354 posted 03/16/17 9:46am

CatB

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:


I was meaning to say that he wasn't strong.


well, can't agree with you there then.


No problem, it's all good.


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Reply #355 posted 03/16/17 9:57am

rogifan

I'm not going to apologize for my feelings about this book or the tabloid stories pulling selective quotes/passages that the book is spawning. I don't like it one bit. Of course Mayte is free to do whatever she wants but we're free not to like it all the same.
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Reply #356 posted 03/16/17 10:05am

rednblue

CatB said:

rednblue said:


Yes, hence my agreeing with what this poster said:

ufoclub said:

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

This burying himself in work is a very good expression when it comes to Prince, by the way.

However, I was not so much referring to his approach when it came to professional matters but to his dealing with his personal tragedies. Masking is a very good word here. To the outside, everything was always cool but as I said he had many shoulders to cry on behind the scenes, many who had to listen to him and pick him up again. Be part of the game.

Don't misunderstand me, as some here know, I spent some time with him and there are no words for the love I still feel for the man but I see him for what he was, not for the image he projected.

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I can't thank you enough for your insights and your beautiful words, and I have enjoyed hearing you other threads. Thank you for the note about "bury," and I also noticed the word sweet in one of your earlier posts. If you don't know someone, and only see them on camera, it's near impossible to get a real sense and also not be fooled. Therefore, I've been hesitant to make much of it, but he sometimes projects something much like a sweetness--very subtle, but very striking at the same time (if that makes any sense). Yet it seems that he, like a lot of people, could be sweet and could also be cruel.

Do you think some of the anguish, on this and some other threads, might partly come from people (including me) having difficulty wrapping their minds around the idea of genuine sweetness and cruelty existing in the same person? When we step back, we see it's a part of human nature, perhaps some even recognize the capacity in themselves at times. But for me, at least, it's so hard to reconcile.

Anyway, having borrowed your words, I don't want to make assumptions. Just thought I'd ask if you thought this stuff might be in the mix at all when it comes to some of the difficulties on threads like this.

Reply #357 posted 03/16/17 10:08am

1Sasha

Prince was a genius, but he was also damaged goods, pyschologically, from childhood on. This is just my opinion, but I think that colored everything he did inter-personally. Whether it was the control freak aspect, or the apparent failure to form any lasting bond with just about anybody - all from childhood. There is no way a teenager could deal with someone like that - someone upon whom she was financially dependent. Someone she loved. I do think the huge tat after his death was ridiculous, but that is just me. So she wrote a book. Big deal. He is still a genius. He is still adored. She just drew back the curtain a bit, that's all.

Reply #358 posted 03/16/17 10:13am

laurarichardson

rednblue said:

ufoclub said:

"Push on" is exactly what he did, in denial. Even saying publicly, everything was fine. That is a problem. "PRETEND it's no big deal". Well life is not pretend. It's real. Denial is a weakness that you mask as strength in your mind even though to everyone around you in the know, you are being weak.

I personally wish he had not been in denial and not tried to always paint a picture of idealic fantasy. The reason? He might still be alive today and sharing his incredible creativity.

I really appreciate this post. There is no lack of respect for work ethic, or lack of understanding what staying afloat can require, in your statement. I think it's kind and wise to care about harm from denial. It can ravage a person.

But we do not know he was in a state of denial because he did not make a public statement. neutral I do not think when you prepare your child's funeral you are in a state of denial.

At the end of the day it was just not the public's business.

Reply #359 posted 03/16/17 10:13am

Genesia

CatB said:

Genesia said:


When you have an album coming out (which he did - Emancipation was released in November of 1996), you sure as hell do.


Going on Oprah is not burying yourself in work, it's putting yourself out there. He could have done it, withdrawing again and only trust the music. He could have called it off. Everyone would have understood. To sit on a show (and not even having told his wife in advance) that sells by playing on people's emotions, with eyes that tell the whole story, that's not Prince being strong. It was Prince again who had so many feelings and words inside but couldn't articulate them. The child that hopes the older ones will just see and understand and tell him it's not his fault and everything's gonna be alright.



Ummmm...yes, it is. Honoring a commitment that has been made far in advance to coincide with an album release is part of the work. He went on tour in 1997, too - also burying himself in work, while appearing publicly.

You seem to think that he could only bury himself in his work in a studio or something. The definition of burying oneself in work is using the work you do as a distraction. The fact that you could see him doesn't mean he hadn't withdrawn. To someone with Prince's single-mindedness, withdrawal didn't have to mean that he was hiding physically.

Between October of 1996 (when Amiir died) and June of 1998 (basically, the space of a year-and-a-half), he released Emancipation, New Power Soul and Crystal Ball, and did the Jam of the Year tour. If that isn't burying yourself in work, I don't know what is.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #360 posted 03/16/17 10:14am

laurarichardson

CatB said:

Genesia said:


When you have an album coming out (which he did - Emancipation was released in November of 1996), you sure as hell do.


Going on Oprah is not burying yourself in work, it's putting yourself out there. He could have done it, withdrawing again and only trust the music. He could have called it off. Everyone would have understood. To sit on a show (and not even having told his wife in advance) that sells by playing on people's emotions, with eyes that tell the whole story, that's not Prince being strong. It was Prince again who had so many feelings and words inside but couldn't articulate them. The child that hopes the older ones will just see and understand and tell him it's not his fault and everything's gonna be alright.


You have no idea how show business works. He had pissed of WB and was lucking to get that deal with EMI. He needed to promote that record. I think he could have just left Mayte out of but maybe he thought it would help her to move on if she just worked with him.

Reply #361 posted 03/16/17 10:18am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

I really appreciate this post. There is no lack of respect for work ethic, or lack of understanding what staying afloat can require, in your statement. I think it's kind and wise to care about harm from denial. It can ravage a person.

But we do not know he was in a state of denial because he did not make a public statement. neutral I do not think when you prepare your child's funeral you are in a state of denial.

At the end of the day it was just not the public's business.

I agree with you on all points. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't feel like he strongly indicated whether or not his son was here on earth in the sense that he himself was.

On the other hand, I think much points to a lot of denial in Prince. I don't want to judge. I have plenty of denial and rationalizations of my own.

Reply #362 posted 03/16/17 10:20am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

CatB said:


Going on Oprah is not burying yourself in work, it's putting yourself out there. He could have done it, withdrawing again and only trust the music. He could have called it off. Everyone would have understood. To sit on a show (and not even having told his wife in advance) that sells by playing on people's emotions, with eyes that tell the whole story, that's not Prince being strong. It was Prince again who had so many feelings and words inside but couldn't articulate them. The child that hopes the older ones will just see and understand and tell him it's not his fault and everything's gonna be alright.


You have no idea how show business works. He had pissed of WB and was lucking to get that deal with EMI. He needed to promote that record. I think he could have just left Mayte out of but maybe he thought it would help her to move on if she just worked with him.

But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?

Reply #363 posted 03/16/17 10:27am

CatB

rednblue said:

I can't thank you enough for your insights and your beautiful words, and I have enjoyed hearing you other threads. Thank you for the note about "bury," and I also noticed the word sweet in one of your earlier posts. If you don't know someone, and only see them on camera, it's near impossible to get a real sense and also not be fooled. Therefore, I've been hesitant to make much of it, but he sometimes projects something much like a sweetness--very subtle, but very striking at the same time (if that makes any sense). Yet it seems that he, like a lot of people, could be sweet and could also be cruel.

Do you think some of the anguish, on this and some other threads, might partly come from people (including me) having difficulty wrapping their minds around the idea of genuine sweetness and cruelty existing in the same person? When we step back, we see it's a part of human nature, perhaps some even recognize the capacity in themselves at times. But for me, at least, it's so hard to reconcile.

Anyway, having borrowed your words, I don't want to make assumptions. Just thought I'd ask if you thought this stuff might be in the mix at all when it comes to some of the difficulties on threads like this.



Thanks for your kind words. I'm often hesitant to post here, I just read most of the time as I don't know what I can or cannot say and how to find the right words. I know it's hard for many, we all still feel for Prince and April's just around the corner...

I cannot say and I would never want to make assumptions as to where some people's difficulties may come from. Heck, I'm still learning too. Also through Mayte's eyes.

It's true, sweet is a word I use a lot when I remember Prince and it's really how I perceived him. Even when he was being not his best or being defensive or whatever, there was always this sweetness about him. Yes, sweet and cruel can exist in one and the same person. Life is not only black or white, and neither are we. However, I believe that cruelty often comes from helplessness.

As for this thread, I don't know, I wish we could all come together and just celebrate life, celebrate him and be tolerant towards everyone in his life. Why judge, it's so unproductive. It never leads anywhere. But I guess it's human nature and people will be of different opinions and views. That's okay. I can just speak from my experience and I love him and wish Mayte well.


[Edited 3/16/17 10:45am]

"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #364 posted 03/16/17 10:35am

laurarichardson

rednblue said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



CatB said:


 


 



Going on Oprah is not burying yourself in work, it's putting yourself out there. He could have done it, withdrawing again and only trust the music. He could have called it off. Everyone would have understood. To sit on a show (and not even having told his wife in advance) that sells by playing on people's emotions, with eyes that tell the whole story, that's not Prince being strong. It was Prince again who had so many feelings and words inside but couldn't articulate them. The child that hopes the older ones will just see and understand and tell him it's not his fault and everything's gonna be alright.




You have no idea how show business works. He had pissed of WB and was lucking to get that deal with EMI. He needed to promote that record. I think he could have just left Mayte out of but maybe he thought it would help her to move on if she just worked with him.



 


But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?


What are you talking about he had a steady stream of albums and tours up until 2010. Remarkable when you have artist taking 20 years to put out albums these days. He did take long breaks. He did even stop working when his mother and father died.
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Reply #365 posted 03/16/17 10:39am

youneveransweryourphone

To me this is simple, maybe because I can relate. Mayte has held herself accountable to Prince. I think she never spoke out about him or much of this because she didn't want to disappoint him. He was clearly a "father figure" as well as her true love. Happens to women all the time. She hardly even spoke about him or the baby on the VH1 show. I thought she always remained pretty low key.

Now that he's gone, I think she feels some freedom to be honest, EVEN if it paints Prince in a negative light. I personally think she needed this and she needed a large audience to feel heard. Ages 16-24 are so defining for a woman and she has clearly been affected for life. She's never had another marriage which tells me she just got screwed up through all of this.

Trust me, if people cared, she'd write a book about her fame hungry, money grubbing mother after she passed too.

She's undoing the hurt and I really don't think money has anything to do with it.
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Reply #366 posted 03/16/17 10:40am

CatB

laurarichardson said:

You have no idea how show business works.


I do, and I left it for those reasons.

rednblue said:

But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?


Yes. And he cancelled things for far more "unreasonable" reasons, sometimes just out of moods, than losing a baby and the personal tragedy that everyone would have understood.



"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #367 posted 03/16/17 10:43am

cindyt

I don't believe that story about the baby belonged in the public eye. I'm sorry. It's utterly tragic and heartbreaking. We all have tragic, heartbreaking things in our lives. We don't have to publicly spill them to recover from them. And not only does she seem to be playing on his horror for the baby to born sick like that, she's playing on that poor child. If she even went on an interview to discuss it, but to SELL it is what's really galling to me. Sad story, and sad way to share it. She's also implying that the gene came from HIM, and it probably did. Do you think he EVER recovered from that...being a musician and all...come on, I think the answer is obvious. No. to this.

Reply #368 posted 03/16/17 10:43am

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

 



sonshine said:


rogifan said:
It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:

Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance. As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.

She tried to put this book out when he was alive and well and guess what he stopped. So we know he would not have liked it. End of story. 


 


Do you think Mrs high school diploma Mayte has any knowledge about substance abuse to know what the hell she is talking about?


 


I think we are all capable of reading and many do have people in their lives grappling with this issue. We have had people on this board who claim to be medical professionals who get shouted down because they do not back up 20 year stedy diet of pain pills and working like a demon with no effecto on him as possible. 


 


No one has to get over anything and no one gets to tell people what to say. Mayte is being taken to task because many of the things she is saying are the exact opposite of what she said before and her ablity to make money off her sons death is tacky. People are going to call her on it and they are doing all across the internet. So she had better get use to it.  Please do not think she will be the only person who will get this treatment.  She wanted to be first so she can take the heat from being first. 


 


 


What gives you the right? You are out of line. Where did you get the free pass to take others to task?
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Reply #369 posted 03/16/17 10:45am

rednblue

CatB said:

rednblue said:


Thanks for your kind words. I'm often hesitant to post here, I just read most of the time as I don't know what I can or cannot say and how to find the right words. I know it's hard for many, we all still feel for Prince and April's just around the corner...

I cannot say and I would never want to make assumptions as to where some people's difficulties may come from. Heck, I'm still learning too. Also through Mayte's eyes.

It's true, sweet is a word I use a lot when I remember Prince and it's really how I perceived him. Even when he was being not his best or being defensive or whatever, there was always this sweetness about him. Yes, sweet and cruel can exist in one and them same person. Life is not only black or white, and neither are we. However, I believe that cruelty often comes from helplessness.

As for this thread, I don't know, I wish we could all come together and just celebrate life, celebrate him and be tolerant towards everyone in his life. Why judge, it's so unproductive. It never leads anywhere. But I guess it's human nature and people will be of different opinions and views. That's okay. I can just speak from my experience and I love him and wish Mayte well.

Yes!

Not having known him, I don't want to make assumptions about Prince. But thank you for your general observation about helplessness! Only speaking of human nature in general (and sometimes even my own nature : ) ), it strikes me that humans can get in a sort of "survivalist" mode. Also, going back to my school days many years ago, "learned helplessness" was one of the descriptions that really stayed with me. It was one of the models presented for another human condition: depression. It was a description that really rang true. Depression is also often accompanied by anxiety and/or anger.

Anger and fear can make it more difficult to treat people reasonably. These things are never a simple excuse for cruelty. They are just some of the things that, along with life events, make up the full stories of people.

Back to Prince, I love your closing paragraph. I think Prince would also wish us heaven and happiness. Hopefully, that's one assumption that's OK.

Reply #370 posted 03/16/17 10:46am

MD431Madcat

I want to know ANY and ALL the info about Prince that i can get my hands on!!!

if it's coming from a source that had well documented close ties to the Private Prince..

Hell Yeah!

Bring It On!!!!

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Reply #371 posted 03/16/17 10:48am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?

What are you talking about he had a steady stream of albums and tours up until 2010. Remarkable when you have artist taking 20 years to put out albums.

Great point! I don't mean to diminish in any way. Maybe changes of mind is better. One example would be his changing feelings on the Black Album. He could also get bored (probably being a genius made it really hard not to get bored : ) ) and sometimes ended tours early, or pulled the plug on other things.

Reply #372 posted 03/16/17 10:54am

purplethunder3121

The bottom line is that Mayte has a right to write about her own experiences just as we, the public, have a right not to read it. And that's it. No need to drag her through the dust...whether we like what she has to say or not. It's a matter of choice.

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #373 posted 03/16/17 10:54am

BillieBalloon

youneveransweryourphone said:

To me this is simple, maybe because I can relate. Mayte has held herself accountable to Prince. I think she never spoke out about him or much of this because she didn't want to disappoint him. He was clearly a "father figure" as well as her true love. Happens to women all the time. She hardly even spoke about him or the baby on the VH1 show. I thought she always remained pretty low key.

Now that he's gone, I think she feels some freedom to be honest, EVEN if it paints Prince in a negative light. I personally think she needed this and she needed a large audience to feel heard. Ages 16-24 are so defining for a woman and she has clearly been affected for life. She's never had another marriage which tells me she just got screwed up through all of this.

Trust me, if people cared, she'd write a book about her fame hungry, money grubbing mother after she passed too.

She's undoing the hurt and I really don't think money has anything to do with it.



Now hes gone she can vent. She can speculate about the drugs she never saw him take and we can speculate on her speculation. Even if it paints him in a negative light? What happened to the love story of the century she was peddling months ago? How do you measure truth when the other person is dead?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #374 posted 03/16/17 11:01am

laurarichardson

rednblue said:

 



laurarichardson said:


rednblue said:

 


 


But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?



What are you talking about he had a steady stream of albums and tours up until 2010. Remarkable when you have artist taking 20 years to put out albums.

 


Great point!  I don't mean to diminish in any way.  Maybe changes of mind is better.  One example would be his changing feelings on the Black Album.  He could also get bored (probably being a genius made it really hard not to get bored  : )  ) and sometimes ended tours early, or pulled the plug on other things.


Pulling the plug or cutting a project is not the same as not getting started. I hate to say this but he was obvisously I'll when he went to Atlanta but he went and did that show he was working to the end.
Reply #375 posted 03/16/17 11:02am

laurarichardson

MD431Madcat said:

I want to know ANY and ALL the info about Prince that i can get my hands on!!! 


if it's coming from a source that had well documented close ties to the Private Prince..


Hell Yeah!


Bring It On!!!!


 

[Edited 3/16/17 10:47am]


--Even if some of it is bullshit.
Reply #376 posted 03/16/17 11:05am

laurarichardson

youneveransweryourphone said:

To me this is simple, maybe because I can relate. Mayte has held herself accountable to Prince. I think she never spoke out about him or much of this because she didn't want to disappoint him. He was clearly a "father figure" as well as her true love. Happens to women all the time. She hardly even spoke about him or the baby on the VH1 show. I thought she always remained pretty low key.

Now that he's gone, I think she feels some freedom to be honest, EVEN if it paints Prince in a negative light. I personally think she needed this and she needed a large audience to feel heard. Ages 16-24 are so defining for a woman and she has clearly been affected for life. She's never had another marriage which tells me she just got screwed up through all of this.

Trust me, if people cared, she'd write a book about her fame hungry, money grubbing mother after she passed too.

She's undoing the hurt and I really don't think money has anything to do with it.

The book is not free. She could have wrote this on a blog. She was not low key on Hollywood Exs please do not make me dig up that simple ass program.
[Edited 3/16/17 11:08am]
Reply #377 posted 03/16/17 11:05am

BillieBalloon

cindyt said:

I don't believe that story about the baby belonged in the public eye.  I'm sorry.  It's utterly tragic and heartbreaking.  We all have tragic, heartbreaking things in our lives. We don't have to publicly spill them to recover from them.  And not only does she seem to be playing on his horror for the baby to born sick like that, she's playing on that poor child.  If she even went on an interview to discuss it, but to SELL it is what's really galling to me.  Sad story, and sad way to share it.  She's also implying that the gene came from HIM, and it probably did.  Do you think he EVER recovered from that...being a musician and all...come on, I think the answer is obvious.  No. to this.




Why does she feel the need to state publically that the gene came from him? This is a man she loved, do people need to know if Prince had a faulty gene? Why did she want to stay married and try for more children if Prince had a faulty gene? She has done NOTHING to preserve a mans dignity that she supposedly loved.

She categorically stated that she didnt want a divorce.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #378 posted 03/16/17 11:06am

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

 



sonshine said:


rogifan said:
It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:

Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance. As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.

She tried to put this book out when he was alive and well and guess what he stopped. So we know he would not have liked it. End of story. 


 


Do you think Mrs high school diploma Mayte has any knowledge about substance abuse to know what the hell she is talking about?


 


I think we are all capable of reading and many do have people in their lives grappling with this issue. We have had people on this board who claim to be medical professionals who get shouted down because they do not back up 20 year stedy diet of pain pills and working like a demon with no effecto on him as possible. 


 


No one has to get over anything and no one gets to tell people what to say. Mayte is being taken to task because many of the things she is saying are the exact opposite of what she said before and her ablity to make money off her sons death is tacky. People are going to call her on it and they are doing all across the internet. So she had better get use to it.  Please do not think she will be the only person who will get this treatment.  She wanted to be first so she can take the heat from being first. 


 


 


What gives you the right? You are out of line. Where did you get the free pass to take others to task?
[Edited 3/16/17 10:54am]

Maybe Freedom of speech.
Reply #379 posted 03/16/17 11:10am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

Great point! I don't mean to diminish in any way. Maybe changes of mind is better. One example would be his changing feelings on the Black Album. He could also get bored (probably being a genius made it really hard not to get bored : ) ) and sometimes ended tours early, or pulled the plug on other things.

Pulling the plug or cutting a project is not the same as not getting started. I hate to say this but he was obvisously I'll when he went to Atlanta but he went and did that show he was working to the end.

Oh, man! I'm glad you mentioned Atlanta. I should have realized to make it clear I wasn't referencing Atlanta. That was the farthest thing from my mind when thinking of getting bored, etc. For what it's worth, I was thinking, in part, of the late 1980's. Atlanta was heartbreaking. It was also a stunningly beautiful gift to fans.

Reply #380 posted 03/16/17 11:10am

disch

I wouldn't really classify the "speculation" of his wife who had a 10-year, live-in personal relationship in the same category as the speculation of a bunch of people sitting behind computer keyboards who Prince wouldn't have known from a hole in the ground. Not saying whether everything she says is true (though my feeling is, it's unlikely she wholesale invented stories, through of course she presents them through her own perspective), but I give a bit more weight to her and others similar to her than to posters on this board.

BillieBalloon said:

youneveransweryourphone said:
To me this is simple, maybe because I can relate. Mayte has held herself accountable to Prince. I think she never spoke out about him or much of this because she didn't want to disappoint him. He was clearly a "father figure" as well as her true love. Happens to women all the time. She hardly even spoke about him or the baby on the VH1 show. I thought she always remained pretty low key. Now that he's gone, I think she feels some freedom to be honest, EVEN if it paints Prince in a negative light. I personally think she needed this and she needed a large audience to feel heard. Ages 16-24 are so defining for a woman and she has clearly been affected for life. She's never had another marriage which tells me she just got screwed up through all of this. Trust me, if people cared, she'd write a book about her fame hungry, money grubbing mother after she passed too. She's undoing the hurt and I really don't think money has anything to do with it.
Now hes gone she can vent. She can speculate about the drugs she never saw him take and we can speculate on her speculation. Even if it paints him in a negative light? What happened to the love story of the century she was peddling months ago? How do you measure truth when the other person is dead?

Reply #381 posted 03/16/17 11:16am

wonder505

purplethunder3121 said:

The bottom line is that Mayte has a right to write about her own experiences just as we, the public, have a right not to read it. And that's it. No need to drag her through the dust...whether we like what she has to say or not. It's a matter of choice.

That's easy for you to say because you are not Prince. Just think if your partner wrote a book about you sharing things you wish the public did not know. It also makes me wonder as I posted above, is anything sacred or can anything be talked about. Sigh. Idk

Reply #382 posted 03/16/17 11:20am

purplethunder3121

wonder505 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The bottom line is that Mayte has a right to write about her own experiences just as we, the public, have a right not to read it. And that's it. No need to drag her through the dust...whether we like what she has to say or not. It's a matter of choice.

That's easy for you to say because you are not Prince. Just think if your partner wrote a book about you sharing things you wish the public did not know. It also makes me wonder as I posted above, is anything sacred or can anything be talked about. Sigh. Idk

I would prefer, like Prince, if she didn't write it. I was merely pointing out that she can put it out there and we can choose not to read it. And, yes, it sucks that Prince is not here to respond.

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #383 posted 03/16/17 11:21am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:


I think he did not want to be around her because he did not want to be married in the first place. You cannot make a man settle down if they do not want to be. He was not ready for marriage when he got with her. I do not buy that he was so controlling that she could not leave as in the bootleg copy excerpts that are floating around she is saying he hynoptized her ( do you have any idea how that makes her look !) I am sorry she married a man who was dating her Nona Gaye and Carmen at the same time. If she could not see what was coming with him from that experience that is on her. I am interested in how some of the people she is dragging in the book are going to feel about her putting their personal business out in the street. Is that so she can heal? Because these people are alive and well and it will be interesting to hear what they have to say. [Edited 3/16/17 6:25am]

How would you know if he wanted to be married or not? How do you know if he was ready or not for marriage? You don't.

Reply #384 posted 03/16/17 11:24am

CyndiGR

To have been able to hear Prince's music and appreciate his talents is absolutely amazing. He was a supremely talented human being, pure poetical genius, with lyrics and songwriting ability truly unique. Those are memories that cannot be refuted. Prince said things like 'stay with your truth', and such. We all have our paths to discover and own truths and journeys to embrace. Prince's music and the way he sought to bring the world his meesage to us changed (most) of us for the better. Books can come and go. The music lives on.

Reply #385 posted 03/16/17 11:32am

laurarichardson

There is stuff she saying that contradicts stuff she said before in interviews maybe she forgot what she said or maybe she wants to sell books. I bet the truth lies somewhere in between. I find it odd that people are willing this scorned women over the others. No one cares about anything that Sheila e had to say despite they fact that she knew him back in 1978. Why does Princess Mayte get a pass?

said:

I wouldn't really classify the "speculation" of his wife who had a 10-year, live-in personal relationship in the same category as the speculation of a bunch of people sitting behind computer keyboards who Prince wouldn't have known from a hole in the ground. Not saying whether everything she says is true (though my feeling is, it's unlikely she wholesale invented stories, through of course she presents them through her own perspective), but I give a bit more weight to her and others similar to her than to posters on this board.



BillieBalloon said:


youneveransweryourphone said:
To me this is simple, maybe because I can relate. Mayte has held herself accountable to Prince. I think she never spoke out about him or much of this because she didn't want to disappoint him. He was clearly a "father figure" as well as her true love. Happens to women all the time. She hardly even spoke about him or the baby on the VH1 show. I thought she always remained pretty low key. Now that he's gone, I think she feels some freedom to be honest, EVEN if it paints Prince in a negative light. I personally think she needed this and she needed a large audience to feel heard. Ages 16-24 are so defining for a woman and she has clearly been affected for life. She's never had another marriage which tells me she just got screwed up through all of this. Trust me, if people cared, she'd write a book about her fame hungry, money grubbing mother after she passed too. She's undoing the hurt and I really don't think money has anything to do with it.

Now hes gone she can vent. She can speculate about the drugs she never saw him take and we can speculate on her speculation. Even if it paints him in a negative light? What happened to the love story of the century she was peddling months ago? How do you measure truth when the other person is dead?

 


[Edited 3/16/17 11:33am]
Reply #386 posted 03/16/17 11:48am

youneveransweryourphone

BillieBalloon said:

youneveransweryourphone said:

To me this is simple, maybe because I can relate. Mayte has held herself accountable to Prince. I think she never spoke out about him or much of this because she didn't want to disappoint him. He was clearly a "father figure" as well as her true love. Happens to women all the time. She hardly even spoke about him or the baby on the VH1 show. I thought she always remained pretty low key.

Now that he's gone, I think she feels some freedom to be honest, EVEN if it paints Prince in a negative light. I personally think she needed this and she needed a large audience to feel heard. Ages 16-24 are so defining for a woman and she has clearly been affected for life. She's never had another marriage which tells me she just got screwed up through all of this.

Trust me, if people cared, she'd write a book about her fame hungry, money grubbing mother after she passed too.

She's undoing the hurt and I really don't think money has anything to do with it.



Now hes gone she can vent. She can speculate about the drugs she never saw him take and we can speculate on her speculation. Even if it paints him in a negative light? What happened to the love story of the century she was peddling months ago? How do you measure truth when the other person is dead?


I just don't think she really would lie. Speculate yes, but not lie. As for the show. It was pathetic but I did watch all episodes. In the scheme of things, she didn't really say that much. Considering she was married to the most famous of them all. The other ladies had a lot of ex drama. But not her and not Eddie Murphy's wife really. Shoot I would have been like "Prince this" and "Prince said" and "once Prince..." She never did that.
With this tear, I thee want...
Reply #387 posted 03/16/17 12:04pm

Misslink88

PRINCE DID SPEAK ABOUT HIS SON ONCE, February, 1997. AND THEN HE LEFT IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/24/prince-people-hear-sex-in-my-songs-interview-1997-top-of-the-pops-magazine

His good humour is as intoxicating as it is surprising. In the past two years, he’s faced record company wrangles, falling sales, waning interest and, in October 1996, the loss of his child. Known only as Boy Gregory, the son of Prince and his wife, Mayte Garcia, lived for just a few days after being born with a skull deformity known as Pfeiffer syndrome.

That time has been the most traumatic of my life,” Prince acknowledges, “but contrary to what has been said about me, I feel very positive. I believe God has a plan. Everything that happens, there’s a reason for it.”

But surely, what plan, what reason can there be behind the death of a few-days-old child? “There are so many ways to look at things,” he replies softly. “And I would never use the words, ‘they’re gone’. They will always come back you see,” he adds, never once dropping his gaze.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #388 posted 03/16/17 12:06pm

MD431Madcat

I'D PREFER BEING GIVEN THE OPPOURTUNITY TO WEED THROUGH THE FACTS VS FICTION MYSELF.

SORRY 4 THE CAPS smile

laurarichardson said:

MD431Madcat said:

I want to know ANY and ALL the info about Prince that i can get my hands on!!!

if it's coming from a source that had well documented close ties to the Private Prince..

Hell Yeah!

Bring It On!!!!

[Edited 3/16/17 10:47am]

--Even if some of it is bullshit.

Reply #389 posted 03/16/17 12:12pm

tab32792

Last time I checked, nobody in this Forum is Prince. So stop trying to think for him. Mayte and anybody else that spent time with him is going to do as they please. What Prince MIGHT have wanted and or felt is now null and void as he is no longer here. Simple as that. Can mods close this thread? It's going nowhere.
Reply #390 posted 03/16/17 12:18pm

babynoz

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.

Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.




yeahthat

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #391 posted 03/16/17 12:19pm

partyup77

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure.

Reply #392 posted 03/16/17 12:20pm

XxAxX

1Sasha said:

 



XxAxX said:


KeithyT said:

Her life, her body, her love, her memories, her decision, her happiness, her pain, her joy, her book, her money, her truth.


 


No need to bash anybody.




This. Well said.

I agree with you.



Mind you I also believe people are free and within their right to criticize the book and its content.

even for those who haven't read the entire book in my opinion they still have the right to express a negative opinion if they wish.

No one has the right to say who can and cannot express an opinion about a book or even the concept behind the book, generally speaking.

For me personally I think Mayte has every right to put her book out there.

But I bet this will be a very very very long thread because I can understand why others might disagree.

Hopefully things won't get childish and personal. I say this because it is not unheard of for the crazies here to try bullying tactics in order to suppress opinions they dislike. Time will tell
[Edited 3/16/17 15:52pm]
Reply #393 posted 03/16/17 12:22pm

babynoz

christraceyparade said:

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.


I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.


It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.


IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.


Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.


Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.


I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

[Edited 3/16/17 7:15am]

[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]



And there it is.....thank you. clapping

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #394 posted 03/16/17 12:25pm

babynoz

tab32792 said:

Last time I checked, nobody in this Forum is Prince. So stop trying to think for him. Mayte and anybody else that spent time with him is going to do as they please. What Prince MIGHT have wanted and or felt is now null and void as he is no longer here. Simple as that. Can mods close this thread? It's going nowhere.




So people should stop thinking for Prince but at the same time it's okay for you to think for the mods? Alrighty then, lol

Do y'all listen to yourselves?

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #395 posted 03/16/17 12:29pm

wonder505

partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure.

What is "thrilling" about these details about the birth, if they were actually written in this book? What is invaluable to know the look on his face, again, if this true in the official version of the book? I dont understand.

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Reply #396 posted 03/16/17 12:48pm

Misslink88

babynoz said:

christraceyparade said:

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.


I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.


It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.


IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.


Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.


Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.


I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

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[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]



And there it is.....thank you. clapping

Decency, loyalty and respect. A heartfelt and beautiful sentiment. Thank you for your post. Is that too much to ask for a man PRECISELY because he is not here?

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #397 posted 03/16/17 1:00pm

wonder505

Misslink88 said:

babynoz said:



And there it is.....thank you. clapping

Decency, loyalty and respect. A heartfelt and beautiful sentiment. Thank you for your post. Is that too much to ask for a man PRECISELY because he is not here?

I agree!

Reply #398 posted 03/16/17 1:00pm

paulludvig

Prince comes off rather well in relation to the tragedy of his son. He didn't mind the child being different, he just wanted the child to live. As to how he handled the loss - who's to judge.
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When it comes to allegation of long time drug use - there really isn't much evidence. Mayte who was married to him didn't suspect anything. Only in hindsight do certain episodes look suspicious
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The wooh is on the one!
Reply #399 posted 03/16/17 1:10pm

laurarichardson

Misslink88 said:

PRINCE DID SPEAK ABOUT HIS SON ONCE, February, 1997. AND THEN HE LEFT IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/24/prince-people-hear-sex-in-my-songs-interview-1997-top-of-the-pops-magazine

His good humour is as intoxicating as it is surprising. In the past two years, he’s faced record company wrangles, falling sales, waning interest and, in October 1996, the loss of his child. Known only as Boy Gregory, the son of Prince and his wife, Mayte Garcia, lived for just a few days after being born with a skull deformity known as Pfeiffer syndrome.

That time has been the most traumatic of my life,” Prince acknowledges, “but contrary to what has been said about me, I feel very positive. I believe God has a plan. Everything that happens, there’s a reason for it.”

But surely, what plan, what reason can there be behind the death of a few-days-old child? “There are so many ways to look at things,” he replies softly. “And I would never use the words, ‘they’re gone’. They will always come back you see,” he adds, never once dropping his gaze.

See he accepted it as God's plan and moved on something a person with faith would do. The whole idea that he did not care about that baby is repugnet and mental. I honestly think something is wrong with that women and anyone who cannot see her for what she is. No faith that God had a reason for taking that child from this world if only to that the suffering away.

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Reply #400 posted 03/16/17 1:12pm

laurarichardson

youneveransweryourphone said:

BillieBalloon said:
Now hes gone she can vent. She can speculate about the drugs she never saw him take and we can speculate on her speculation. Even if it paints him in a negative light? What happened to the love story of the century she was peddling months ago? How do you measure truth when the other person is dead?
I just don't think she really would lie. Speculate yes, but not lie. As for the show. It was pathetic but I did watch all episodes. In the scheme of things, she didn't really say that much. Considering she was married to the most famous of them all. The other ladies had a lot of ex drama. But not her and not Eddie Murphy's wife really. Shoot I would have been like "Prince this" and "Prince said" and "once Prince..." She never did that.

She was dancing around with his draws and bitching about money. Not to mention throwing stuff at people and just being a brat.

Reply #401 posted 03/16/17 1:13pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

tab32792 said:

Last time I checked, nobody in this Forum is Prince. So stop trying to think for him. Mayte and anybody else that spent time with him is going to do as they please. What Prince MIGHT have wanted and or felt is now null and void as he is no longer here. Simple as that. Can mods close this thread? It's going nowhere.


Nope. This is giving folks an opportunity to be able to post their opinions.

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Reply #402 posted 03/16/17 1:13pm

laurarichardson

CatB said:

laurarichardson said:

You have no idea how show business works.


I do, and I left it for those reasons.

rednblue said:

But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?


Yes. And he cancelled things for far more "unreasonable" reasons, sometimes just out of moods, than losing a baby and the personal tragedy that everyone would have understood.



He canceled the black album because it sucked what else are you speaking of. If you left show business that was your choice not Prince's mindset at all.

Reply #403 posted 03/16/17 1:27pm

paulludvig

There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #404 posted 03/16/17 1:31pm

shejoan24

least87 said:

laurarichardson said:

Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay. eek

I appreciate people around Prince sharing their stories - I think they give all of us - and the world - more insight into what he was like and what it meant to know him. I just wish "People" magazine could do without the sensational, gossipy headline.

Exactly

Reply #405 posted 03/16/17 1:40pm

sonshine

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:



I think he did not want to be around her because he did not want to be married in the first place. You cannot make a man settle down if they do not want to be. He was not ready for marriage when he got with her. I do not buy that he was so controlling that she could not leave as in the bootleg copy excerpts that are floating around she is saying he hynoptized her ( do you have any idea how that makes her look !) I am sorry she married a man who was dating her Nona Gaye and Carmen at the same time. If she could not see what was coming with him from that experience that is on her. I am interested in how some of the people she is dragging in the book are going to feel about her putting their personal business out in the street. Is that so she can heal? Because these people are alive and well and it will be interesting to hear what they have to say. [Edited 3/16/17 6:25am]

How would you know if he wanted to be married or not? How do you know if he was ready or not for marriage? You don't.


Um, wow. Laura is lucky he isn't here because he would not be cool with this. And if he were here she would never have the nerve to post such things. I don't recall, but did he believe in Karma? Lol
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Reply #406 posted 03/16/17 1:45pm

benni

shrug To me, it sounds as though those that are saying Mayte should not write about Ahmir that they are essentially saying that Mayte's feelings, needs, are not as important as Prince's. So she should just suck it up and never speak publically about Ahmir, because she doesn't matter. How many times does that happen? That a woman is told that what she feels, what she wants, what she needs, is not as important as what the man's wants, needs, or feels? If she were some unknown woman that had been married to some unknown man, would any of you care that she is writing about her baby? Or would you applaud her for having the courage to come out and talk about a subject that truly had an impact on her and her life? But since this is Prince we are talking about and his ex-wife and his child, no, the woman, the mother of the baby, should bow down and put the man first. She always did. But now, she chooses to talk about what is important to her. In all these years, she never mentioned his name, she never talked about what that experience was truly like for her, she respected Prince's desire for that privacy. Well, he's not here any more to care about what is revealed or not revealed. As he once said, "It all comes out in the wash, in time." That tells me that he knew there would be a time when all would be revealed.

I say both of them have value. Those of you saying that Prince wouldn't like this...Prince doesn't really care any more (in case you hadn't noticed). Prince is home. He is where he often sang of being. What us mere mortals do, still carrying around this bag of bones, holds no more importance to him. The people that matter now are those he left behind. And no, I'm not saying that Prince doesn't matter now, but he is no longer here to say what he wants or doesn't want. It falls to the estate, to those he left behind, to make the decisions they feel they need to make on what to reveal and what not to reveal. And in the grand scheme of things, what we want in regards to this, doesn't matter. We were always the ones sitting on the outside looking in. We still sit on the outside looking in."

I wish her well in her endeavors. I wish Mani well in her endeavors, too. Just as I do with Sheila and the others that were in his inner circle. What they do, has nothing to do with me or with you. They have to live by their conscience, as I have to live by mine.

Reply #407 posted 03/16/17 1:48pm

shejoan24

PRNelson said:

Genesia said:


There's a difference between "can" and "should."

Well said. The woman sold his love letter of marriage proposal whilst he was still here. Expect the same from the book now he's gone.

The money she made off the love note went to her dog rescue group..."Maytes Rescue".

Reply #408 posted 03/16/17 1:52pm

whatdoesitmatter

Whether you are Myte or NonMyte the fact of the matter, she can do what she wants. Plain and Simply. I have been a very huge Prince fan all of my life and have loved this man tremendously. We have to remember that while he may have been God to music, he was not God. No one knows how he was behind closed doors. He was a normal human being and he had problems just like the rest of us. As far as Myte's book, this is HER story, she has the right to tell her story of her life, of her encounters and her demons. If you don't like it don't read it. I think she is trying to show us that for many of us Prince was perfect but in reality he wasn't. I personally don't think she is writing it for the money, I think she wants to share her story and has wanted to for a long time, but wasn't able to, whether it might be Prince telling her no, or the grieving, she chose to write it and thats the way it is. I just don't think we should bicker and argue over something like this. Read it or don't

Reply #409 posted 03/16/17 2:05pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

shejoan24 said:

 



PRNelson said:


Genesia said:

 



There's a difference between "can" and "should."



Well said. The woman sold his love letter of marriage proposal whilst he was still here. Expect the same from the book now he's gone.

The money she made off the love note went to her dog rescue group..."Maytes Rescue".




According to guidstar the biggest nonprofit registry, maytes rescue has zero income, and zero assists, if she truly donated that money to her rescue it would be recorded, and it is not. Her rescue has zero non-profit activity. The page says maytes rescue may no longer be active...
Reply #410 posted 03/16/17 2:06pm

DD55

whatdoesitmatter said:

Whether you are Myte or NonMyte the fact of the matter, she can do what she wants. Plain and Simply. I have been a very huge Prince fan all of my life and have loved this man tremendously. We have to remember that while he may have been God to music, he was not God. No one knows how he was behind closed doors. He was a normal human being and he had problems just like the rest of us. As far as Myte's book, this is HER story, she has the right to tell her story of her life, of her encounters and her demons. If you don't like it don't read it. I think she is trying to show us that for many of us Prince was perfect but in reality he wasn't. I personally don't think she is writing it for the money, I think she wants to share her story and has wanted to for a long time, but wasn't able to, whether it might be Prince telling her no, or the grieving, she chose to write it and thats the way it is. I just don't think we should bicker and argue over something like this. Read it or don't

Agree

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Whether you like her or not, it’s her story to tell. (What she does with the money is not our business.) You decide if you want to buy the book or not!

You decide how you want to spend your money.

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If you don’t want to buy/read the book, then don’t. She is just telling her story. As another person mentioned, describing the physical condition of the child shouldn’t be a surprise, it’s not like you’ all didn’t google it months ago, if not years ago and saw medical pictures on the internet. And Mayte describing their reactions should not be a surprise to anyone, stop kidding yourselves.

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As for her not leaving 'when she could’? Stockholm Syndrome maybe? (Remember Patty Hearst?) Why do abused women stay in this relationships (NOT saying this is the case) just putting it out there and asking; who are we to second guess what was in her heart or mind? Her father signed over custody to Prince and he might have told her to always obey him; maybe she just never could get out of that role and transition into one of true equal/spouse partner.

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Lots of you say.. 'I would have done'… or 'I wouldn’t have done'..or I' would never'… come on, none of you really know what you would/wouldn’t do because you were not in that situation with that history and those experiences. Don’t project your experiences and expectations onto someone else.

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And, no Prince doesn’t care, Prince is gone. We have a lot of great music and memories. I hope there are many books written in the next few years and we really get to know him and get a well rounded picture of the man we loved so much.

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As for the quotes in the DM or People, once the book is out there and in print, it’s done. She has no control over what quotes are included in a tabloid magazine article, as long as it’s a quote and is accurate. If you want to criticize the articles and/or quotes, then complain to the article authors and not Mayte.

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Trashing Mayte won’t bring him back, won’t change the fact that this book will be published and won’t hurt P’s reputation at all, it will just give us just a little peek into a time of his life. Way too much drama going on. (For the record,I am not necessarily a Mayte fan.) Peace to all.

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Reply #411 posted 03/16/17 2:08pm

sonshine

luv4u said:

 



tab32792 said:


Last time I checked, nobody in this Forum is Prince. So stop trying to think for him. Mayte and anybody else that spent time with him is going to do as they please. What Prince MIGHT have wanted and or felt is now null and void as he is no longer here. Simple as that. Can mods close this thread? It's going nowhere.


Nope.  This is giving folks an opportunity to be able to post their opinions.


Agreed. I do feel tho that individual orgers who repeatedly post the same shit have one intention: stirthepot and that shouldn't be allowed. They have stated their opinion yet keep coming back here with unnecessary and increasingly hostile reminders of such. I'm cool if you don't intervene tho because I recognize it for the attention seeking behavior it is wink
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Reply #412 posted 03/16/17 2:18pm

laurarichardson

DD55 said:

 



whatdoesitmatter said:


Whether you are Myte or NonMyte the fact of the matter, she can do what she wants. Plain and Simply. I have been a very huge Prince  fan all of my life and have loved this man tremendously. We have to remember that while he may have been God to music, he was not God. No one knows how he was behind closed doors. He was a normal human being and he had problems just like the rest of us. As far as Myte's book, this is HER story, she has the right to tell her story of her life, of her encounters and her demons. If you don't like it don't read it. I think she is trying to show us that for many of us Prince was perfect but in reality he wasn't. I personally don't think she is writing it for the money, I think she wants to share her story and has wanted to for a long time, but wasn't able to, whether it might be Prince telling her no, or the grieving, she chose to write it and thats the way it is. I just don't think we should bicker and argue over something like this. Read it or don't




Agree


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Whether you like her or not, it’s her story to tell.  (What she does with the money is not our business.)  You decide if you want to buy the book or not!


You decide how you want to spend your money.


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If you don’t want to buy/read the book, then don’t.  She is just telling her story.  As another person mentioned, describing the physical condition of the child shouldn’t be a surprise, it’s not like you’ all didn’t google it months ago, if not years ago and saw medical pictures on the internet.  And Mayte describing their reactions should not be a surprise to anyone, stop kidding yourselves. 


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As for her not leaving 'when she could’? Stockholm Syndrome maybe? (Remember Patty Hearst?)  Why do abused women stay in this relationships (NOT saying this is the case) just putting it out there and asking; who are we to second guess what was in her heart or mind?  Her father signed over custody to Prince and he might have told her to always obey him;  maybe she just never could get out of that role and transition into one of true equal/spouse partner.


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Lots of you say.. 'I would have done'… or 'I wouldn’t have done'..or I' would never'… come on, none of you  really know what you would/wouldn’t do because you were not in that situation with that history and  those experiences.  Don’t project your experiences and expectations onto someone else.


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And, no Prince doesn’t care, Prince is gone.  We have a lot of great music and memories.  I hope there are many books written in the next few years and we really get to know him and get a well rounded picture of the man we loved so much.  


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As for the quotes in the DM or People, once the book is out there and in print, it’s done.  She has no control over what quotes are included in a tabloid magazine article, as long as it’s a quote and is accurate.  If you want to criticize the articles and/or quotes, then complain to the article authors and not Mayte.


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Trashing Mayte won’t bring him back, won’t change the fact that this book will be published and won’t hurt P’s reputation at all, it will just give us just a little peek into a time of his life.  Way too much drama going on. (For the record,I am not necessarily a Mayte fan.) Peace to all.


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Really stop with the psychological nosense. No one was holding her prisoner. Do some of you even think about this stuff before you type it. She worked for him for 4 years and them married him but she had no idea about what he was like. She was around when he openly juggled other women but he hypnotized her and she could not leave. I want to sell some of you the Brooklyn bridge.
Reply #413 posted 03/16/17 2:19pm

Genesia

paulludvig said:

There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?


She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #414 posted 03/16/17 2:22pm

Genesia

sonshine said:

luv4u said:


Nope. This is giving folks an opportunity to be able to post their opinions.

Agreed. I do feel tho that individual orgers who repeatedly post the same shit have one intention: stirthepot and that shouldn't be allowed. They have stated their opinion yet keep coming back here with unnecessary and increasingly hostile reminders of such. I'm cool if you don't intervene tho because I recognize it for the attention seeking behavior it is wink


Should we go back and count your posts in this thread? Pot...kettle...

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #415 posted 03/16/17 2:29pm

laurarichardson

Genesia said:

 



paulludvig said:


There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?


She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.


--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs.
[Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]
Reply #416 posted 03/16/17 2:29pm

paulludvig

Genesia said:

paulludvig said:

There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?


She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.

Prince (or someone) was taking away her drugs. Must mean that Prince was an addict himself. Right? No? Of course not. Someone was acting responsibly. Mayte was suicidal as well.

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #417 posted 03/16/17 2:35pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:



I think he did not want to be around her because he did not want to be married in the first place. You cannot make a man settle down if they do not want to be. He was not ready for marriage when he got with her. I do not buy that he was so controlling that she could not leave as in the bootleg copy excerpts that are floating around she is saying he hynoptized her ( do you have any idea how that makes her look !) I am sorry she married a man who was dating her Nona Gaye and Carmen at the same time. If she could not see what was coming with him from that experience that is on her. I am interested in how some of the people she is dragging in the book are going to feel about her putting their personal business out in the street. Is that so she can heal? Because these people are alive and well and it will be interesting to hear what they have to say. [Edited 3/16/17 6:25am]

How would you know if he wanted to be married or not? How do you know if he was ready or not for marriage? You don't.


Because maybe a guy that is ready for marriage is not juggling two other women while he is dating his intended. Maybe a man that is ready does not bare his wife from the house hair salon or tell her to not call him when he is on the road. Maybe a man who is ready does not put his wife in a another country and leave her there. Maybe a man that wants to stay married does not flaunt his side price around in public. He wanted out of the marriage for some reason or wanted to be with her because of the baby. Now use use the search key and look all of this up.
Reply #418 posted 03/16/17 2:43pm

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

PRINCE DID SPEAK ABOUT HIS SON ONCE, February, 1997. AND THEN HE LEFT IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/24/prince-people-hear-sex-in-my-songs-interview-1997-top-of-the-pops-magazine

His good humour is as intoxicating as it is surprising. In the past two years, he’s faced record company wrangles, falling sales, waning interest and, in October 1996, the loss of his child. Known only as Boy Gregory, the son of Prince and his wife, Mayte Garcia, lived for just a few days after being born with a skull deformity known as Pfeiffer syndrome.

That time has been the most traumatic of my life,” Prince acknowledges, “but contrary to what has been said about me, I feel very positive. I believe God has a plan. Everything that happens, there’s a reason for it.”

But surely, what plan, what reason can there be behind the death of a few-days-old child? “There are so many ways to look at things,” he replies softly. “And I would never use the words, ‘they’re gone’. They will always come back you see,” he adds, never once dropping his gaze.

See he accepted it as God's plan and moved on something a person with faith would do. The whole idea that he did not care about that baby is repugnet and mental. I honestly think something is wrong with that women and anyone who cannot see her for what she is. No faith that God had a reason for taking that child from this world if only to that the suffering away.

[Edited 3/16/17 14:24pm]

His attitude is actually astounding...

the depth of his faith..

well..

I can only imagine and admire....

I also believe as you do, that he moved on.

Prince was very good at living in the moment, he often said himself that he rarely looked back...

In this instance, loosing a child surely the most difficult situation for a parent to endure, Prince walked his talk.

He didnt wallow, or indulge himself in any pity party....He accepted GODS will and continued to work hard, create and find ways to give JOY to others.

I wish for that kind of faith...

the kind that carrys you through so that no matter what happens you accept UNIVERAL LAW , understanding that when it comes to life and death

...nothing is really under our control.

[Edited 3/16/17 15:30pm]

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Reply #419 posted 03/16/17 2:47pm

mnfriend

laurarichardson said:

Genesia said:

 



paulludvig said:


There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?


She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.


--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs.
[Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]


*okay, NO. Gotta say NO here. Surgery cutting you open across your belly, and then again wide swath thru your uterus, hell yeah pain pills. Hell yeah. All 3 times. A script to take home w/ you.
Reply #420 posted 03/16/17 2:53pm

BillieBalloon

partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure. 




A historial document you say? Ok lets see, well so far we got:
A description of the babys physical deformities
Prince had a gene defect
Prince was stealing her Vicodin
...yeah
.really important and will stand up there with Darwins theory of evolution

Keep grasping..

.
[Edited 3/16/17 14:54pm]
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #421 posted 03/16/17 3:31pm

clairew1975

Cat Glover has posted on her Facebook page. I'm not sure who she's referring to but she's supporting Mayte.

https://www.facebook.com/catherine.glover.37?ref=ts&fref=ts

I'm assuming the reference to the "Black" Album is about Mayte's excerpt referencing drugs?
Reply #422 posted 03/16/17 3:33pm

TrcikyChristopher

The book was announced in Spring/Summer of 2015 for release that Christmas season and described as a "tell-all".

Then - nothing.

That tells me that her initial attempts were thwarted by some sort of cease & desist correspondence or possibly a change of heart.

Either that or at the time, no publishers gave a shit.

The book was never described as "a look into the life and times of Prince's ex-wife" because no one cared. It was described as a "tell-all" about her life with Prince, who was still alive at the time. She was milking "Hollywood Exes" which had been canceled.

That alone tells me all I need to know, regardless of how I feel about her personal right to explore or speak about her pain. There were too many public displays of "here's Prince's shit he gave me (or that he left behind when we split) on auction" before he passed that made me question her motives, regardless of her desire or being coerced to move on with her life. Unfortunately, now - all bets are off.

Reply #423 posted 03/16/17 3:37pm

Mumio

Genesia said:

sonshine said:

luv4u said: Agreed. I do feel tho that individual orgers who repeatedly post the same shit have one intention: stirthepot and that shouldn't be allowed. They have stated their opinion yet keep coming back here with unnecessary and increasingly hostile reminders of such. I'm cool if you don't intervene tho because I recognize it for the attention seeking behavior it is wink


Should we go back and count your posts in this thread? Pot...kettle...


eek lol

Welcome to "the org", Mumio… they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end.
Reply #424 posted 03/16/17 3:38pm

annalizer

Mayte was the bride of Frankenstein that Prince created for himself. While i admired his love for her, he also robbed her of her own identity. She was young woman experiencing marriage and motherhood, but wasn't allowed to publicly celebrate the two most important events in her life. These events had to be shrouded in secrecy per Prince which indicates the marriage and child was more about him than it was about her, she was just the host. His actions with her entire pregnancy weren't right period! He really did reduce her to a muse in his ideal fantasy until reality struck and the "bride" became human and began dismantling all that he built around her.
Reply #425 posted 03/16/17 3:43pm

AnnaStesia10

benni said:

shrug To me, it sounds as though those that are saying Mayte should not write about Ahmir that they are essentially saying that Mayte's feelings, needs, are not as important as Prince's. So she should just suck it up and never speak publically about Ahmir, because she doesn't matter. How many times does that happen? That a woman is told that what she feels, what she wants, what she needs, is not as important as what the man's wants, needs, or feels? If she were some unknown woman that had been married to some unknown man, would any of you care that she is writing about her baby? Or would you applaud her for having the courage to come out and talk about a subject that truly had an impact on her and her life? But since this is Prince we are talking about and his ex-wife and his child, no, the woman, the mother of the baby, should bow down and put the man first. She always did. But now, she chooses to talk about what is important to her. In all these years, she never mentioned his name, she never talked about what that experience was truly like for her, she respected Prince's desire for that privacy. Well, he's not here any more to care about what is revealed or not revealed. As he once said, "It all comes out in the wash, in time." That tells me that he knew there would be a time when all would be revealed.

I say both of them have value. Those of you saying that Prince wouldn't like this...Prince doesn't really care any more (in case you hadn't noticed). Prince is home. He is where he often sang of being. What us mere mortals do, still carrying around this bag of bones, holds no more importance to him. The people that matter now are those he left behind. And no, I'm not saying that Prince doesn't matter now, but he is no longer here to say what he wants or doesn't want. It falls to the estate, to those he left behind, to make the decisions they feel they need to make on what to reveal and what not to reveal. And in the grand scheme of things, what we want in regards to this, doesn't matter. We were always the ones sitting on the outside looking in. We still sit on the outside looking in."

I wish her well in her endeavors. I wish Mani well in her endeavors, too. Just as I do with Sheila and the others that were in his inner circle. What they do, has nothing to do with me or with you. They have to live by their conscience, as I have to live by mine.

Amen to this, Amen!

"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #426 posted 03/16/17 3:46pm

IsufferfromMPS

Smmfh at the comments of some of you people.




That is all
Reply #427 posted 03/16/17 3:55pm

Deadflow3r

For over 20 years now Prince fans have wondered about Mayte's side of the story. We have had countless threads about Mayte on this site alone. I think it is fair that she has a chance to tell her side of the story. What was it like to be swept up into the life of a living legend at 16 years old? What was it like (horrible I assume) to have every aspect of your pregnancy captured only to have the child die so soon aftre birth? That is huge for any first time mother, never mind one who is living in a fishing bowl. The divorce, Mani, the friendship with Mani. So many things to speak of.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
Reply #428 posted 03/16/17 3:56pm

purplethunder3121

XxAxX said:

1Sasha said:

I agree with you.

Mind you I also believe people are free and within their right to criticize the book and its content. even for those who haven't read the entire book in my opinion they still have the right to express a negative opinion if they wish. No one has the right to say who can and cannot express an opinion about a book or even the concept behind the book, generally speaking. For me personally I think Mayte has every right to put her book out there. But I bet this will be a very very very long thread because I can understand why others might disagree. Hopefully things won't get childish and personal. I say this because it is not unheard of for the crazies here to try bullying tactics in order to suppress opinions they dislike. Time will tell [Edited 3/16/17 15:52pm]

I feel the same way. People should be free to express their opinions in a CONSTRUCTIVE way whether positive or negative. But, even though I choose not to read it, Mayte has the right to tell her story. I'm not going to bash her for doing so, even though I wish Prince was here to refute any negative implications in the book.

[Edited 3/16/17 15:58pm]

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #429 posted 03/16/17 4:38pm

tish9311

Count me in that group. I would assume it was at least someway about Mani and then I would come and asked the question. So is Bridle Path the street they lived on or the area. My Princedom isn't as deep as yours.

And since you are sharing your Princedom knowlede, what drug is Anna Stesia a reference to??? when the whole situation came out I was a sheltered 8th grader and never really thought it was that deep.

Thanks.

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said: He said many times he was open book because everything about him is in the songs. How much more plain could he have made himself.


Bingo.

Some people here would look at a song like "Call My Name" with the lyrics:


"Heard your voice this morning calling out my name

It had been so long since I heard it
That it didn't sound quite the same, no
But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door"

and they would say "oh, we don't know who the song is about! We can't say for sure!"

Never mind the fact that the Bridle Path is literally the neighborhood where Prince and Mani lived after they got married.

Prince wrote everything about his life in his songs. Like most songwriters.






Beautiful, Loved and Blessed

Thank You Prince
Reply #430 posted 03/16/17 4:38pm

partyup77

BillieBalloon said:

partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure.

A historial document you say? Ok lets see, well so far we got: A description of the babys physical deformities Prince had a gene defect Prince was stealing her Vicodin ...yeah .really important and will stand up there with Darwins theory of evolution Keep grasping.. . [Edited 3/16/17 14:54pm]

Yes, a historical document. And yes, so far all we have are a few sensationalistic tidbits to grab attention and promote the book. As someone who enjoys historical research and appreciates a variety of sources, I find great value in this publication. Trying to compare a memoir with Darwin's Theory is like comparing apples to oranges - which is a no, no. Trust me, I will keep grasping -- grasping this book off the shelf as soon as it hits my local bookshop.

Reply #431 posted 03/16/17 4:41pm

XxAxX

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

1Sasha said: Mind you I also believe people are free and within their right to criticize the book and its content. even for those who haven't read the entire book in my opinion they still have the right to express a negative opinion if they wish. No one has the right to say who can and cannot express an opinion about a book or even the concept behind the book, generally speaking. For me personally I think Mayte has every right to put her book out there. But I bet this will be a very very very long thread because I can understand why others might disagree. Hopefully things won't get childish and personal. I say this because it is not unheard of for the crazies here to try bullying tactics in order to suppress opinions they dislike. Time will tell [Edited 3/16/17 15:52pm]

I feel the same way. People should be free to express their opinions in a CONSTRUCTIVE way whether positive or negative. But, even though I choose not to read it, Mayte has the right to tell her story. I'm not going to bash her for doing so, even though I wish Prince was here to refute any negative implications in the book.

[Edited 3/16/17 15:58pm]


as we often see here on the Org, one person's 'constructive' is another person's derogatory, and therefore imo no one person need be limited to living up to another person's definition when it comes to expressing opinions.*

as long as it is clearly understood, either through statement of intent or context, that the individual offering the opinion is not a teacher, professional critic, or otherwise operating in a capacity carrying with it professional responsibility or obligation, opinions can be just that. opinions.


otherwise, every single joke, smartass remark or one-off play could and likely would be taken as personal insult or outrageously harmful and snipped and etc. by those who take it upon themselves to deem their own opinions to be somehow above those of others.

*with the exception of one particular orger who appears to be engaged in a vendetta style airing of opinions. deliberate, all-out personal attacks designed to trash and humiliate are not really 'opinions', but rise to the level of something else entirely, don't they

[Edited 3/16/17 17:30pm]

Reply #432 posted 03/16/17 4:42pm

PurpleMedley122

benni said:

shrug  To me, it sounds as though those that are saying Mayte should not write about Ahmir that they are essentially saying that Mayte's feelings, needs, are not as important as Prince's.  So she should just suck it up and never speak publically about Ahmir, because she doesn't matter.  How many times does that happen?  That a woman is told that what she feels, what she wants, what she needs, is not as important as what the man's wants, needs, or feels?  If she were some unknown woman that had been married to some unknown man, would any of you care that she is writing about her baby?  Or would you applaud her for having the courage to come out and talk about a subject that truly had an impact on her and her life?  But since this is Prince we are talking about and his ex-wife and his child, no, the woman, the mother of the baby, should bow down and put the man first.  She always did.  But now, she chooses to talk about what is important to her.  In all these years, she never mentioned his name, she never talked about what that experience was truly like for her, she respected Prince's desire for that privacy.  Well, he's not here any more to care about what is revealed or not revealed.  As he once said, "It all comes out in the wash, in time."  That tells me that he knew there would be a time when all would be revealed. 
 
I say both of them have value.  Those of you saying that Prince wouldn't like this...Prince doesn't really care any more (in case you hadn't noticed).  Prince is home. He is where he often sang of being.  What us mere mortals do, still carrying around this bag of bones, holds no more importance to him.  The people that matter now are those he left behind.  And no, I'm not saying that Prince doesn't matter now, but he is no longer here to say what he wants or doesn't want.  It falls to the estate, to those he left behind, to make the decisions they feel they need to make on what to reveal and what not to reveal.  And in the grand scheme of things, what we want in regards to this, doesn't matter.  We were always the ones sitting on the outside looking in.  We still sit on the outside looking in."

I wish her well in her endeavors.  I wish Mani well in her endeavors, too.  Just as I do with Sheila and the others that were in his inner circle.  What they do, has nothing to do with me or with you.  They have to live by their conscience, as I have to live by mine. 


The bolded part is the real truth. If he gave a shit, he would have left a will. Guess what?

Very good post. Too bad the usual suspects won't respond to you cause it hurts their narrative.
Reply #433 posted 03/16/17 4:42pm

tish9311

Mayte's book is her story and that is what it is . But the People article that's a bit much. It leads you to believe that you are going to learn a whole lot of know things. But I don't we walk away with a better understanding of Prince and his drug additction/habit/abuse.

In a normal world I would run and biuy that people, but I will donate that money to a worthy cause.

Beautiful, Loved and Blessed

Thank You Prince
Reply #434 posted 03/16/17 4:44pm

purplerabbithole

He was controlling no doubt. But you forget who gave her away in the first place.

Why would you admire his love for her when you paint it in entirely negative ways. He sculpted her public image; but what do we really know about their private conversations. If her book states that Prince never allowed her to even express her opinions, then a.) I would have to question why she was even there (because most teenagers want to rebel and form their own opinion eventually--that's normal child/adult development.) or b.) I would have to wonder how her parents raised her.

annalizer said:

Mayte was the bride of Frankenstein that Prince created for himself. While i admired his love for her, he also robbed her of her own identity. She was young woman experiencing marriage and motherhood, but wasn't allowed to publicly celebrate the two most important events in her life. These events had to be shrouded in secrecy per Prince which indicates the marriage and child was more about him than it was about her, she was just the host. His actions with her entire pregnancy weren't right period! He really did reduce her to a muse in his ideal fantasy until reality struck and the "bride" became human and began dismantling all that he built around her.

Reply #435 posted 03/16/17 4:50pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

Genesia said:


She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs. [Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]

eek Laura, have you ever had a C-Section? I have. I've had 3. And you question the need to take home a script for pain pills, after being cut from hip to hip? Are you freaking kidding me?

Reply #436 posted 03/16/17 4:55pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

How would you know if he wanted to be married or not? How do you know if he was ready or not for marriage? You don't.

Because maybe a guy that is ready for marriage is not juggling two other women while he is dating his intended. Maybe a man that is ready does not bare his wife from the house hair salon or tell her to not call him when he is on the road. Maybe a man who is ready does not put his wife in a another country and leave her there. Maybe a man that wants to stay married does not flaunt his side price around in public. He wanted out of the marriage for some reason or wanted to be with her because of the baby. Now use use the search key and look all of this up.

Face it, you don't have a clue on what Prince thought about anything. So don't even act like you do.

Reply #437 posted 03/16/17 4:59pm

BillieBalloon

partyup77 said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure. 



A historial document you say? Ok lets see, well so far we got: A description of the babys physical deformities Prince had a gene defect Prince was stealing her Vicodin ...yeah .really important and will stand up there with Darwins theory of evolution Keep grasping.. . [Edited 3/16/17 14:54pm]

 


Yes, a historical document. And yes, so far all we have are a few sensationalistic tidbits to grab attention and promote the book. As someone who enjoys historical research and appreciates a variety of sources, I find great value in this publication. Trying to compare a memoir with Darwin's Theory is like comparing apples to oranges - which is a no, no. Trust me, I will keep grasping -- grasping this book off the shelf as soon as it hits my local bookshop. 


Ok, read the book and then do a critical analysis of it highlighting facts that you deem to be so significant that they should be transcribed and hung in the Lourve or corridors of M.I.T for posterity.

Ok?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #438 posted 03/16/17 5:00pm

laurarichardson

PurpleMedley122 said:

benni said:

shrug  To me, it sounds as though those that are saying Mayte should not write about Ahmir that they are essentially saying that Mayte's feelings, needs, are not as important as Prince's.  So she should just suck it up and never speak publically about Ahmir, because she doesn't matter.  How many times does that happen?  That a woman is told that what she feels, what she wants, what she needs, is not as important as what the man's wants, needs, or feels?  If she were some unknown woman that had been married to some unknown man, would any of you care that she is writing about her baby?  Or would you applaud her for having the courage to come out and talk about a subject that truly had an impact on her and her life?  But since this is Prince we are talking about and his ex-wife and his child, no, the woman, the mother of the baby, should bow down and put the man first.  She always did.  But now, she chooses to talk about what is important to her.  In all these years, she never mentioned his name, she never talked about what that experience was truly like for her, she respected Prince's desire for that privacy.  Well, he's not here any more to care about what is revealed or not revealed.  As he once said, "It all comes out in the wash, in time."  That tells me that he knew there would be a time when all would be revealed. 
 
I say both of them have value.  Those of you saying that Prince wouldn't like this...Prince doesn't really care any more (in case you hadn't noticed).  Prince is home. He is where he often sang of being.  What us mere mortals do, still carrying around this bag of bones, holds no more importance to him.  The people that matter now are those he left behind.  And no, I'm not saying that Prince doesn't matter now, but he is no longer here to say what he wants or doesn't want.  It falls to the estate, to those he left behind, to make the decisions they feel they need to make on what to reveal and what not to reveal.  And in the grand scheme of things, what we want in regards to this, doesn't matter.  We were always the ones sitting on the outside looking in.  We still sit on the outside looking in."

I wish her well in her endeavors.  I wish Mani well in her endeavors, too.  Just as I do with Sheila and the others that were in his inner circle.  What they do, has nothing to do with me or with you.  They have to live by their conscience, as I have to live by mine. 


The bolded part is the real truth. If he gave a shit, he would have left a will. Guess what?

Very good post. Too bad the usual suspects won't respond to you cause it hurts their narrative.

A will has nothing to do with this book. A will would not have stopped her from writing this book. Where is the logical on this board?
Reply #439 posted 03/16/17 5:02pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:


PennyPurple said:

 


How would you know if he wanted to be married or not? How do you know if he was ready or not for marriage? You don't.



Because maybe a guy that is ready for marriage is not juggling two other women while he is dating his intended. Maybe a man that is ready does not bare his wife from the house hair salon or tell her to not call him when he is on the road. Maybe a man who is ready does not put his wife in a another country and leave her there. Maybe a man that wants to stay married does not flaunt his side price around in public. He wanted out of the marriage for some reason or wanted to be with her because of the baby. Now use use the search key and look all of this up.

Face it, you don't have a clue on what Prince thought about anything. So don't even act like you do.


I just gave you facts that you can verify which will not bother to do but I do not know anything. Actions speak louder than words and his actions told everything.
Reply #440 posted 03/16/17 5:04pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Face it, you don't have a clue on what Prince thought about anything. So don't even act like you do.

I just gave you facts that you can verify which will not bother to do but I do not know anything. Actions speak louder than words and his actions told everything.

You don't have facts of what that man wanted to do or didn't want to do. You are just another fan of his, like the rest of us....no more, no less.

Reply #441 posted 03/16/17 5:04pm

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

partyup77 said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure. 



A historial document you say? Ok lets see, well so far we got: A description of the babys physical deformities Prince had a gene defect Prince was stealing her Vicodin ...yeah .really important and will stand up there with Darwins theory of evolution Keep grasping.. . [Edited 3/16/17 14:54pm]

 


Yes, a historical document. And yes, so far all we have are a few sensationalistic tidbits to grab attention and promote the book. As someone who enjoys historical research and appreciates a variety of sources, I find great value in this publication. Trying to compare a memoir with Darwin's Theory is like comparing apples to oranges - which is a no, no. Trust me, I will keep grasping -- grasping this book off the shelf as soon as it hits my local bookshop. 


Ok, read the book and then do a critical analysis of it highlighting facts that you deem to be so significant that they should be transcribed and hung in the Lourve or corridors of M.I.T for posterity.

Ok?

Don't worry someone will read what you wrote a really will follow your instructions because this is the thought process we dealing with.
Reply #442 posted 03/16/17 5:06pm

laurarichardson

annalizer said:

Mayte was the bride of Frankenstein that Prince created for himself. While i admired his love for her, he also robbed her of her own identity. She was young woman experiencing marriage and motherhood, but wasn't allowed to publicly celebrate the two most important events in her life. These events had to be shrouded in secrecy per Prince which indicates the marriage and child was more about him than it was about her, she was just the host. His actions with her entire pregnancy weren't right period! He really did reduce her to a muse in his ideal fantasy until reality struck and the "bride" became human and began dismantling all that he built around her.

--There marriage was not a secret they got married in a downtown church in the city and his whole family attended. You have no idea and I wonder if this is some sort fan fiction you are testing out on this board.
Reply #443 posted 03/16/17 5:08pm

babynoz

BillieBalloon said:

partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure.

A historial document you say? Ok lets see, well so far we got: A description of the babys physical deformities Prince had a gene defect Prince was stealing her Vicodin ...yeah .really important and will stand up there with Darwins theory of evolution Keep grasping.. . [Edited 3/16/17 14:54pm]



Thank you! People need to stop fronting. If they want to read the dirt they should just come out and say so and stop trying to play high-brow. lol

THIS is the kind of historical insight that future generations will glean from this book. Let's not pretend that she isn't media savvy enough to know that the most salacious details are what will get emphasized by the media.




How Prince Dragged His Grieving Wife Out of Bed Soon After Son Died for an Oprah Interview

http://people.com/music/p...ons-death/

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #444 posted 03/16/17 5:11pm

Militant

moderator

The ridiculous thing is that from what we know, she's not dogging him out in the book - but just telling her side of the story.

If Prince had managed to complete his book - and for argument's sake let's say he dogged out Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Vanity, Wendy, Lisa, anyone........ Would anyone here be jumping to their defence and saying that Prince shouldn't have written his book etc etc etc? No, of course not. Because he is entitled to his side of the story and Mayte is entitled to hers.

Right now, people are judging someone they don't know for writing a book they haven't read that's about a relationship they weren't in. And why? Because Prince didn't want her to write it? Well, let me tell you all something - there were times where he didn't want any of us talking about him on this very forum either. Other people will use that as some sort of twisted evidence that none of us should even be here doing what we're doing right now. Other times, he'd happily log on himself and chuckle at some of the nonsense that gets posted on here. Hell, he said it himself in the AOL chat with that journalist who passed away - he asked her if she ever read prince.org and that some stuff was fun to read. And he would relay messages to us many times, even up until his passing, through Tyka, Meron, Julia, Trevor......whoever was around.

Reply #445 posted 03/16/17 5:11pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

laurarichardson said:

Genesia said:


She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs. [Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]

Wow! That's low...even for you. disbelief I personally know a few women that were given Vicodin after their C-sections. Hell, I know a couple that were given the stronger pain-killer Percocet. So clearly you really don't know what the hell you are talking about and are just trying to vilify that woman by any means necessary. Shame on you!

[Edited 3/16/17 17:14pm]

"Style is loving yourself 'til everyone else does too."
You certainly proved that Prince, beyond any doubt.
Reply #446 posted 03/16/17 5:13pm

PennyPurple

mnfriend said:

laurarichardson said:
--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs. [Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]
*okay, NO. Gotta say NO here. Surgery cutting you open across your belly, and then again wide swath thru your uterus, hell yeah pain pills. Hell yeah. All 3 times. A script to take home w/ you.

lol I don't think she has clue what a C-Sect is. LOL

Reply #447 posted 03/16/17 5:16pm

PennyPurple

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

laurarichardson said:

--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs. [Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]

Wow! That's low...even for you. disbelief I personally know a few women that were given Vicodin after their C-sections. Hell, I know a couple that were given the stronger pain-killer Percocet. So clearly you really don't know what the hell you are talking about and are just trying to vilify that woman by any means necessary. Shame on you!

[Edited 3/16/17 17:14pm]

Yes, it is pretty low of her & I agree with you, it shows she doesn't know what she's talking about.

Reply #448 posted 03/16/17 5:18pm

rogifan

paulludvig said:

Prince comes off rather well in relation to the tragedy of his son. He didn't mind the child being different, he just wanted the child to live. As to how he handled the loss - who's to judge.
*
When it comes to allegation of long time drug use - there really isn't much evidence. Mayte who was married to him didn't suspect anything. Only in hindsight do certain episodes look suspicious
[Edited 3/16/17 13:01pm]

But the tabloid trash media is/will certainly spin it differently.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #449 posted 03/16/17 5:23pm

rogifan


christraceyparade said:


Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.



I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had  a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy.  I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.



 It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and  then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone. 



IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince.  I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. 



This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.



Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.



Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.



Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.



I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a  true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


 
You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah. 


 


Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.  


 


This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.


[Edited 3/16/17 7:15am]


[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]





Agree with every word.  clapping

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Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #450 posted 03/16/17 5:26pm

babynoz

Militant said:

The ridiculous thing is that from what we know, she's not dogging him out in the book - but just telling her side of the story.

If Prince had managed to complete his book - and for argument's sake let's say he dogged out Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Vanity, Wendy, Lisa, anyone........ Would anyone here be jumping to their defence and saying that Prince shouldn't have written his book etc etc etc? No, of course not. Because he is entitled to his side of the story and Mayte is entitled to hers.

Right now, people are judging someone they don't know for writing a book they haven't read that's about a relationship they weren't in. And why? Because Prince didn't want her to write it? Well, let me tell you all something - there were times where he didn't want any of us talking about him on this very forum either. Other people will use that as some sort of twisted evidence that none of us should even be here doing what we're doing right now. Other times, he'd happily log on himself and chuckle at some of the nonsense that gets posted on here. Hell, he said it himself in the AOL chat with that journalist who passed away - he asked her if she ever read prince.org and that some stuff was fun to read. And he would relay messages to us many times, even up until his passing, through Tyka, Meron, Julia, Trevor......whoever was around.



Then lock the thread and do not start another one. shrug

Prince took more licks here when he was alive then all of his associated combined. As far as I'm concerned there are NO special snowflakes, period.

That goes for anybody who puts themselves in the public eye.....NO exceptions.

It is completely unrealistic to expect otherwise.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #451 posted 03/16/17 5:26pm

PurpleMedley122

laurarichardson said:

PurpleMedley122 said:
The bolded part is the real truth. If he gave a shit, he would have left a will. Guess what? Very good post. Too bad the usual suspects won't respond to you cause it hurts their narrative.
A will has nothing to do with this book. A will would not have stopped her from writing this book. Where is the logical on this board?

Coming from the person who is wondering why a woman who just gave birth via c-section would be prescribed vicodin. My mom was prescribed pain pills each time after giving NATURAL birth to the 4 of us. It is completely common. Jesus, anything to deny Prince had a problem, huh?

"where's the logic"? indeed.....

Reply #452 posted 03/16/17 5:27pm

rogifan

tish9311 said:

Mayte's book is her story and that is what it is .  But the People article that's a bit much.  It leads you to believe that you are going to learn a whole lot of know things.  But I don't we walk away with a better understanding of Prince and his drug additction/habit/abuse.


 


In a normal world I would run and biuy that people, but I will donate that money to a worthy cause.


Why are people thinking that a book written by someone who was married to Prince in the 90s would give a better understanding of something that happened to him in 2016? confused
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #453 posted 03/16/17 5:28pm

purplethunder3121

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I feel the same way. People should be free to express their opinions in a CONSTRUCTIVE way whether positive or negative. But, even though I choose not to read it, Mayte has the right to tell her story. I'm not going to bash her for doing so, even though I wish Prince was here to refute any negative implications in the book.

[Edited 3/16/17 15:58pm]


as we often see here on the Org, one person's 'constructive' is another person's derogatory, and therefore imo no one person need be limited to living up to another person's definition when it comes to expressing opinions.

as long as it is clearly understood, either through statement of intent or context, that the individual offering the opinion is not a teacher, professional critic, or otherwise operating in a capacity carrying with it professional responsibility or obligation, opinions can be just that. opinions.


otherwise, every single joke, smartass remark or one-off play could and likely would be taken as personal insult or outrageously harmful and snipped and etc. by those who take it upon themselves to deem their own opinions to be somehow above those of others.

Agreed. Although people's opinions may be unpopular and although I wish they would be more constructive, everyone has the right to express themselves. Although I wish it would stay out of troll-ville. lol

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #454 posted 03/16/17 5:30pm

PennyPurple

babynoz said:

Militant said:

The ridiculous thing is that from what we know, she's not dogging him out in the book - but just telling her side of the story.

If Prince had managed to complete his book - and for argument's sake let's say he dogged out Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Vanity, Wendy, Lisa, anyone........ Would anyone here be jumping to their defence and saying that Prince shouldn't have written his book etc etc etc? No, of course not. Because he is entitled to his side of the story and Mayte is entitled to hers.

Right now, people are judging someone they don't know for writing a book they haven't read that's about a relationship they weren't in. And why? Because Prince didn't want her to write it? Well, let me tell you all something - there were times where he didn't want any of us talking about him on this very forum either. Other people will use that as some sort of twisted evidence that none of us should even be here doing what we're doing right now. Other times, he'd happily log on himself and chuckle at some of the nonsense that gets posted on here. Hell, he said it himself in the AOL chat with that journalist who passed away - he asked her if she ever read prince.org and that some stuff was fun to read. And he would relay messages to us many times, even up until his passing, through Tyka, Meron, Julia, Trevor......whoever was around.



Then lock the thread and do not start another one. shrug

Prince took more licks here when he was alive then all of his associated combined. As far as I'm concerned there are NO special snowflakes, period.

That goes for anybody who puts themselves in the public eye.....NO exceptions.

It is completely unrealistic to expect otherwise.

We are grown adults, I don't think the thread needs to be locked, just because people don't like the topic of the thread.

Reply #455 posted 03/16/17 5:31pm

HombreX

sonshine said:

rogifan said:
It's in the book because she needs something to sell the book and apparently she didn't think discussing (or exploiting imo) her son's death was enough. I say again, if this was M2 releasing a book very few, if anyone, would be defending her here. For some reason M1 gets a pass. I'm with Prince over all of this:
Prince isn't here. Plus none of us were any more than strangers to him. So lets stop thinking we can speak for him. And until any one presents their health care credentials or has personal first hand experience with substance abuse, specifically opiod-related, please refrain from commenting on the subject. Trust me you are so off base with your opinions and assumptions it boggles my mind why anyone would continue to make comments that only underscore their ignorance. This is why that subject got banned. Uneducated people turning the subject matter into a shit show with their ignorance. As far as the book goes I've stated my opinion. In short this is all much ado about nothing. There were books before. There will be books after. Get over it. It takes a hella nerve to question the sincerity of one's love for another. It's shameful really. The fact you can say such things on a public forum and still sleep at night is scary. What gives you the right? The level of self-righteousness of some people is truly a mental disorder.

PERFECTLY said, sonshine!!!

Reply #456 posted 03/16/17 5:31pm

purplethunder3121

rogifan said:

tish9311 said:

Mayte's book is her story and that is what it is . But the People article that's a bit much. It leads you to believe that you are going to learn a whole lot of know things. But I don't we walk away with a better understanding of Prince and his drug additction/habit/abuse.

In a normal world I would run and biuy that people, but I will donate that money to a worthy cause.

Why are people thinking that a book written by someone who was married to Prince in the 90s would give a better understanding of something that happened to him in 2016? confused

That's the thing--people shouldn't get upset over her take from the 90s. She didn't really know him in the following decades... And can't speak on that.

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #457 posted 03/16/17 5:32pm

XxAxX

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:


as we often see here on the Org, one person's 'constructive' is another person's derogatory, and therefore imo no one person need be limited to living up to another person's definition when it comes to expressing opinions.

as long as it is clearly understood, either through statement of intent or context, that the individual offering the opinion is not a teacher, professional critic, or otherwise operating in a capacity carrying with it professional responsibility or obligation, opinions can be just that. opinions.


otherwise, every single joke, smartass remark or one-off play could and likely would be taken as personal insult or outrageously harmful and snipped and etc. by those who take it upon themselves to deem their own opinions to be somehow above those of others.

Agreed. Although people's opinions may be unpopular and although I wish they would be more constructive, everyone has the right to express themselves. Although I wish it would stay out of troll-ville. lol



i added above, that in the case of at least one orger who was permitted to viciously trash prince vendetta style over the years, when it comes to personal attacks and statements designed to humiliate and destroy another person, that is no longer 'airing an opinion', but becomes something else entirely

Reply #458 posted 03/16/17 5:35pm

purplethunder3121

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Agreed. Although people's opinions may be unpopular and although I wish they would be more constructive, everyone has the right to express themselves. Although I wish it would stay out of troll-ville. lol



i added above, that in the case of at least one orger who was permitted to viciously trash prince vendetta style over the years, when it comes to personal attacks and statements designed to humiliate and destroy another person, that is no longer 'airing an opinion', but becomes something else entirely

Especially because he isn't here to defend himself. nod

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #459 posted 03/16/17 5:41pm

XxAxX

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:



i added above, that in the case of at least one orger who was permitted to viciously trash prince vendetta style over the years, when it comes to personal attacks and statements designed to humiliate and destroy another person, that is no longer 'airing an opinion', but becomes something else entirely

Especially because he isn't here to defend himself. nod



personally, i am feeling ambivalent about this book. i really admire Mayte and what she's accomplished in life, and i think it's her right to tell her story.

but i also feel sad because i think we will find out things about prince that were personal, and maybe unflattering.

we all have unflattering sides, and do things we wouldn't want splashed out in a widely read book. and even though prince was a public figure, the parts of his life thus exposed to public scrutiny were personal and should be kept that way.

then again, Mayte has the absolute right to say what she has to say and tell her own story, even if other people decide in their minds that her words and exposure of her life with prince are 'trashy' or 'classless' .

so.... ambivalent here... i don't want to read the book right now, might not ever do so. but good for Mayte anyway

[Edited 3/16/17 17:43pm]

Reply #460 posted 03/16/17 5:43pm

BillieBalloon

babynoz said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure. 



A historial document you say? Ok lets see, well so far we got: A description of the babys physical deformities Prince had a gene defect Prince was stealing her Vicodin ...yeah .really important and will stand up there with Darwins theory of evolution Keep grasping.. . [Edited 3/16/17 14:54pm]



Thank you! People need to stop fronting. If they want to read the dirt they should just come out and say so and stop trying to play high-brow.  lol

THIS is the kind of historical insight that future generations will glean from this book. Let's not pretend that she isn't media savvy enough to know that the most salacious details are what will get emphasized by the media. 

 


How Prince Dragged His Grieving Wife Out of Bed Soon After Son Died for an Oprah Interview

http://people.com/music/prince-mayte-garcia-oprah-interview-after-sons-death/



I know. Why pretend its contains deep, philosophical utterances and profound insights into Princes life. So far its nothing but a sensational and ghoulish expose of Prince and his son.
:shrug;
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #461 posted 03/16/17 5:43pm

muleFunk

I've said before that I have no problem with Mayte writing a book I have a problem with the timing of the book. She's had 17 years to write the book.

Reply #462 posted 03/16/17 5:45pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



mnfriend said:


laurarichardson said:
--I question the need to even have an Rx for Vicoden after a C section. Usually they give you a pain killer in the hospital and a few take home. Makes me wonder who was giving who drugs. [Edited 3/16/17 14:36pm]

*okay, NO. Gotta say NO here. Surgery cutting you open across your belly, and then again wide swath thru your uterus, hell yeah pain pills. Hell yeah. All 3 times. A script to take home w/ you.

lol I don't think she has clue what a C-Sect is. LOL


--I have had two and I was not given any pain killers to take home on average you are in the hospital for 3 days and you can have your pain meds while you are in the hospital. I do not understand why she would have a whole bottle of Vicoden and even she speculated that he may have taken them to stop her from taking to many. You realize that this book is out on line so I actually know some of the crazy crap she is saying and you do not. I am also not the only one questioning her since she was drunk on YouTube.
[Edited 3/16/17 17:57pm]
Reply #463 posted 03/16/17 5:46pm

babynoz

PennyPurple said:

babynoz said:



Then lock the thread and do not start another one. shrug

Prince took more licks here when he was alive then all of his associated combined. As far as I'm concerned there are NO special snowflakes, period.

That goes for anybody who puts themselves in the public eye.....NO exceptions.

It is completely unrealistic to expect otherwise.

We are grown adults, I don't think the thread needs to be locked, just because people don't like the topic of the thread.



That was my point.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #464 posted 03/16/17 5:47pm

laurarichardson

PurpleMedley122 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


PurpleMedley122 said:
The bolded part is the real truth. If he gave a shit, he would have left a will. Guess what? Very good post. Too bad the usual suspects won't respond to you cause it hurts their narrative.

A will has nothing to do with this book. A will would not have stopped her from writing this book. Where is the logical on this board?

Coming from the person who is wondering why a woman who just gave birth via c-section would be prescribed vicodin. My mom was prescribed pain pills each time after giving NATURAL birth to the 4 of us. It is completely common. Jesus, anything to deny Prince had a problem, huh?


 


"where's the logic"? indeed.....


I am not questioning why she had them in the hospital I am question why she a an Rx to take home. You know I read this part of the book have you?
Reply #465 posted 03/16/17 5:48pm

laurarichardson

XxAxX said:

 



purplethunder3121 said:


 



XxAxX said:


 




i added above, that in the case of at least one orger who was permitted to viciously trash prince vendetta style over the years, when it comes to personal attacks and statements designed to humiliate and destroy another person, that is no longer 'airing an opinion', but becomes something else entirely



Especially because he isn't here to defend himself. nod





personally, i am feeling ambivalent about this book.  i really admire Mayte and what she's accomplished in life, and i think it's her right to tell her story. 

but i also feel sad because i think we will find out things about prince that were personal, and maybe unflattering. 

we all have unflattering sides, and do things we wouldn't want splashed out in a widely read book.  and even though prince was a public figure, the parts of his life thus exposed to public scrutiny were personal and should be kept that way.

then again, Mayte has the absolute right to say what she has to say and tell her own story, even if other people decide in their minds that her words and exposure of her life with prince are 'trashy' or 'classless' . 

so.... ambivalent here...  i don't want to read the book right now, might not ever do so.  but good for Mayte anyway

[Edited 3/16/17 17:43pm]


What has she accomplished?
Reply #466 posted 03/16/17 5:50pm

kingricefan

BillieBalloon said:

babynoz said:



Thank you! People need to stop fronting. If they want to read the dirt they should just come out and say so and stop trying to play high-brow. lol

THIS is the kind of historical insight that future generations will glean from this book. Let's not pretend that she isn't media savvy enough to know that the most salacious details are what will get emphasized by the media.




How Prince Dragged His Grieving Wife Out of Bed Soon After Son Died for an Oprah Interview

http://people.com/music/p...ons-death/

I know. Why pretend its contains deep, philosophical utterances and profound insights into Princes life. So far its nothing but a sensational and ghoulish expose of Prince and his son. :shrug;

Don't you mean their son?

Reply #467 posted 03/16/17 5:50pm

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

tish9311 said:

Mayte's book is her story and that is what it is .  But the People article that's a bit much.  It leads you to believe that you are going to learn a whole lot of know things.  But I don't we walk away with a better understanding of Prince and his drug additction/habit/abuse.


 


In a normal world I would run and biuy that people, but I will donate that money to a worthy cause.


Why are people thinking that a book written by someone who was married to Prince in the 90s would give a better understanding of something that happened to him in 2016? confused

Because of their thought process that this women who had no involvement in his life for 20 years can tell us something about 2016 because she is well informed knowledgeable person whose book will be taught on college campus around the world.
[Edited 3/16/17 17:51pm]
Reply #468 posted 03/16/17 5:51pm

rogifan

Mayte just announced a book tour. :sigh:

https://twitter.com/maytegarcia/status/842478557909663744
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #469 posted 03/16/17 5:55pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

She has the right to tell her story, but don't call it " the most beautiful" when It all sounds so ugly, and don't say you still love him while reveling things about him after his death that make him sound horrible, if she really loved him, she would have edited
Reply #470 posted 03/16/17 5:57pm

BillieBalloon

kingricefan said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


babynoz said:

 




Thank you! People need to stop fronting. If they want to read the dirt they should just come out and say so and stop trying to play high-brow.  lol

THIS is the kind of historical insight that future generations will glean from this book. Let's not pretend that she isn't media savvy enough to know that the most salacious details are what will get emphasized by the media. 

 


How Prince Dragged His Grieving Wife Out of Bed Soon After Son Died for an Oprah Interview

http://people.com/music/prince-mayte-garcia-oprah-interview-after-sons-death/



I know. Why pretend its contains deep, philosophical utterances and profound insights into Princes life. So far its nothing but a sensational and ghoulish expose of Prince and his son. :shrug;

Don't you mean their son?





People on this thread dont see him as Prince's son, only as Maytes child, so I thought I would remind them.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #471 posted 03/16/17 5:57pm

rogifan

purplethunder3121 said:

 



rogifan said:


tish9311 said:

Mayte's book is her story and that is what it is .  But the People article that's a bit much.  It leads you to believe that you are going to learn a whole lot of know things.  But I don't we walk away with a better understanding of Prince and his drug additction/habit/abuse.


 


In a normal world I would run and biuy that people, but I will donate that money to a worthy cause.



Why are people thinking that a book written by someone who was married to Prince in the 90s would give a better understanding of something that happened to him in 2016? confused

That's the thing--people shouldn't get upset over her take from the 90s. She didn't really know him in the following decades... And can't speak on that.


And yet we get this (which I saw on FB)

Now the single mother of an adopted 5-year-old daughter, Garcia, who was recently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, admits she’s a loss to fully understand the “inner complexity” that fueled her ex-husband’s appetite for the narcotics that ultimately killed him.


Whether it was her intention or not this will be the media meme. They'll take an anecdote from her book and somehow tie it to his death 20 years later. Of course she should know that's what they would do. Anyone with half a brain would know how this will play out in the tabloids.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #472 posted 03/16/17 6:00pm

purplethunder3121

rogifan said:

purplethunder3121 said:

And yet we get this (which I saw on FB)
Now the single mother of an adopted 5-year-old daughter, Garcia, who was recently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, admits she’s a loss to fully understand the “inner complexity” that fueled her ex-husband’s appetite for the narcotics that ultimately killed him.
Whether it was her intention or not this will be the media meme. They'll take an anecdote from her book and somehow tie it to his death 20 years later. Of course she should know that's what they would do. Anyone with half a brain would know how this will play out in the tabloids.

Of course. That's what tabloids do unfortunately. neutral

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #473 posted 03/16/17 6:03pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

rogifan said:

purplethunder3121 said:

 



rogifan said:


tish9311 said:

Mayte's book is her story and that is what it is .  But the People article that's a bit much.  It leads you to believe that you are going to learn a whole lot of know things.  But I don't we walk away with a better understanding of Prince and his drug additction/habit/abuse.


 


In a normal world I would run and biuy that people, but I will donate that money to a worthy cause.



Why are people thinking that a book written by someone who was married to Prince in the 90s would give a better understanding of something that happened to him in 2016? confused

That's the thing--people shouldn't get upset over her take from the 90s. She didn't really know him in the following decades... And can't speak on that.


And yet we get this (which I saw on FB)

Now the single mother of an adopted 5-year-old daughter, Garcia, who was recently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, admits she’s a loss to fully understand the “inner complexity” that fueled her ex-husband’s appetite for the narcotics that ultimately killed him.


Whether it was her intention or not this will be the media meme. They'll take an anecdote from her book and somehow tie it to his death 20 years later. Of course she should know that's what they would do. Anyone with half a brain would know how this will play out in the tabloids.




Now that pisses me off, she has had no relationship with him for 20 years, of course she has no idea what happened, but that 100% makes it sound like he was a crazy drug addict while they were together and ever since. I am officially on the not o.k. Band wagon.
Reply #474 posted 03/16/17 6:04pm

annalizer

purplerabbithole said:

He was controlling no doubt. But you forget who gave her away in the first place.


 


Why would you admire his love for her when you paint it in entirely negative ways.  He sculpted her public image; but what do we really know about their private conversations.  If her book states that Prince never allowed her to even express her opinions, then a.) I would have to question why she was even there (because most teenagers want to rebel and form their own opinion eventually--that's normal child/adult development.) or b.) I would have to wonder how her parents raised her.


 


 


 


 


 


 



annalizer said:


Mayte was the bride of Frankenstein that Prince created for himself. While i admired his love for her, he also robbed her of her own identity. She was young woman experiencing marriage and motherhood, but wasn't allowed to publicly celebrate the two most important events in her life. These events had to be shrouded in secrecy per Prince which indicates the marriage and child was more about him than it was about her, she was just the host. His actions with her entire pregnancy weren't right period! He really did reduce her to a muse in his ideal fantasy until reality struck and the "bride" became human and began dismantling all that he built around her.

 



Some people might view his behavior as positive and some may view it as negative. My opinion is based on the results of his actions.
[Edited 3/16/17 18:13pm]
Reply #475 posted 03/16/17 6:05pm

PennyPurple

rogifan said:

Mayte just announced a book tour. sigh https://twitter.com/mayte...7909663744

I don't have twitter, does it say what cities she'll be in? Hopefully one will be in Kansas City.

Reply #476 posted 03/16/17 6:21pm

laurarichardson

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

rogifan said:



Whether it was her intention or not this will be the media meme. They'll take an anecdote from her book and somehow tie it to his death 20 years later. Of course she should know that's what they would do. Anyone with half a brain would know how this will play out in the tabloids.




Now that pisses me off, she has had no relationship with him for 20 years, of course she has no idea what happened, but that 100% makes it sound like he was a crazy drug addict while they were together and ever since. I am officially on the not o.k. Band wagon.

She is doing on purpose and the media is to lazy and stupid to call her out she was not his widow and their is no evidence she was in his life for over 20 years. I wonder what his family is going to say. If he were my brother she would get called out in a major way for her B.S.
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Reply #477 posted 03/16/17 6:23pm

Telecaster5

Mayte married very young with a rock'n'roll star almost twice her age, lost one child, suffered a miscarriage shortly after, was cheated by him with Mani and finally watched her marriage collapse and ends with an annullment. If she´s not entitled to write a book of her memories with him, I don´t know who else is.


Any opinions can only be given after reading the book. I can only hope it´s well written and makes us feel a little closer to him.

Reply #478 posted 03/16/17 6:24pm

muleFunk

annalizer said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was controlling no doubt. But you forget who gave her away in the first place.

Why would you admire his love for her when you paint it in entirely negative ways. He sculpted her public image; but what do we really know about their private conversations. If her book states that Prince never allowed her to even express her opinions, then a.) I would have to question why she was even there (because most teenagers want to rebel and form their own opinion eventually--that's normal child/adult development.) or b.) I would have to wonder how her parents raised her.

Some people might view his behavior as positive and some may view it as negative. My opinion is based on the results of his actions. [Edited 3/16/17 18:13pm]

Her daddy gave her to Prince just like Priscilla Presley's father gave her to Elvis.

Speaks volumes .

Reply #479 posted 03/16/17 6:25pm

laurarichardson

Telecaster5 said:

Mayte married very young with a rock'n'roll star almost twice her age, lost one child, suffered a miscarriage shortly after, was cheated by him with Mani and finally watched her marriage collapse and ends with an annullment. If she´s not entitled to write a book of her memories with him, I don´t know who else is.


Any opinions can only be given after reading the book. I can only hope it´s well written and makes us feel a little closer to him.

It will not and she did not go thru anything loads of other women have dealt with.

Reply #480 posted 03/16/17 6:26pm

morningsong

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Especially because he isn't here to defend himself. nod



personally, i am feeling ambivalent about this book. i really admire Mayte and what she's accomplished in life, and i think it's her right to tell her story.

but i also feel sad because i think we will find out things about prince that were personal, and maybe unflattering.

we all have unflattering sides, and do things we wouldn't want splashed out in a widely read book. and even though prince was a public figure, the parts of his life thus exposed to public scrutiny were personal and should be kept that way.

then again, Mayte has the absolute right to say what she has to say and tell her own story, even if other people decide in their minds that her words and exposure of her life with prince are 'trashy' or 'classless' .

so.... ambivalent here... i don't want to read the book right now, might not ever do so. but good for Mayte anyway

[Edited 3/16/17 17:43pm]



Honestly, I'm looking at Tyka's reaction to the whole thing. So far she seems supportive.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #481 posted 03/16/17 6:28pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:



personally, i am feeling ambivalent about this book. i really admire Mayte and what she's accomplished in life, and i think it's her right to tell her story.

but i also feel sad because i think we will find out things about prince that were personal, and maybe unflattering.

we all have unflattering sides, and do things we wouldn't want splashed out in a widely read book. and even though prince was a public figure, the parts of his life thus exposed to public scrutiny were personal and should be kept that way.

then again, Mayte has the absolute right to say what she has to say and tell her own story, even if other people decide in their minds that her words and exposure of her life with prince are 'trashy' or 'classless' .

so.... ambivalent here... i don't want to read the book right now, might not ever do so. but good for Mayte anyway

[Edited 3/16/17 17:43pm]



Honestly, I'm looking at Tyka's reaction to the whole thing. So far she seems supportive.

Have you seen a comment about it on her Facebook.

Reply #482 posted 03/16/17 6:30pm

muleFunk

PennyPurple said:

We are grown adults, I don't think the thread needs to be locked, just because people don't like the topic of the thread.

I agree but when Prince bashing is taking place some folk get special treatment.

Reply #483 posted 03/16/17 6:36pm

youneveransweryourphone

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

 



whatdoesitmatter said:


Whether you are Myte or NonMyte the fact of the matter, she can do what she wants. Plain and Simply. I have been a very huge Prince  fan all of my life and have loved this man tremendously. We have to remember that while he may have been God to music, he was not God. No one knows how he was behind closed doors. He was a normal human being and he had problems just like the rest of us. As far as Myte's book, this is HER story, she has the right to tell her story of her life, of her encounters and her demons. If you don't like it don't read it. I think she is trying to show us that for many of us Prince was perfect but in reality he wasn't. I personally don't think she is writing it for the money, I think she wants to share her story and has wanted to for a long time, but wasn't able to, whether it might be Prince telling her no, or the grieving, she chose to write it and thats the way it is. I just don't think we should bicker and argue over something like this. Read it or don't




Agree


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Whether you like her or not, it’s her story to tell.  (What she does with the money is not our business.)  You decide if you want to buy the book or not!


You decide how you want to spend your money.


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If you don’t want to buy/read the book, then don’t.  She is just telling her story.  As another person mentioned, describing the physical condition of the child shouldn’t be a surprise, it’s not like you’ all didn’t google it months ago, if not years ago and saw medical pictures on the internet.  And Mayte describing their reactions should not be a surprise to anyone, stop kidding yourselves. 


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As for her not leaving 'when she could’? Stockholm Syndrome maybe? (Remember Patty Hearst?)  Why do abused women stay in this relationships (NOT saying this is the case) just putting it out there and asking; who are we to second guess what was in her heart or mind?  Her father signed over custody to Prince and he might have told her to always obey him;  maybe she just never could get out of that role and transition into one of true equal/spouse partner.


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Lots of you say.. 'I would have done'… or 'I wouldn’t have done'..or I' would never'… come on, none of you  really know what you would/wouldn’t do because you were not in that situation with that history and  those experiences.  Don’t project your experiences and expectations onto someone else.


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And, no Prince doesn’t care, Prince is gone.  We have a lot of great music and memories.  I hope there are many books written in the next few years and we really get to know him and get a well rounded picture of the man we loved so much.  


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As for the quotes in the DM or People, once the book is out there and in print, it’s done.  She has no control over what quotes are included in a tabloid magazine article, as long as it’s a quote and is accurate.  If you want to criticize the articles and/or quotes, then complain to the article authors and not Mayte.


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Trashing Mayte won’t bring him back, won’t change the fact that this book will be published and won’t hurt P’s reputation at all, it will just give us just a little peek into a time of his life.  Way too much drama going on. (For the record,I am not necessarily a Mayte fan.) Peace to all.


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Really stop with the psychological nosense. No one was holding her prisoner. Do some of you even think about this stuff before you type it. She worked for him for 4 years and them married him but she had no idea about what he was like. She was around when he openly juggled other women but he hypnotized her and she could not leave. I want to sell some of you the Brooklyn bridge.


Are you kidding me with that? People get trapped, especially women, in Svengali like situations or have Stockholm syndrome. Absolutely 100% possible. I don't think it was a severe case, but she was definitely bound to him in an unusual way. She always had adults directing her one way or the other. We used to watch her dance in Germany and her stepdad would stand guard. It all seemed like she was just everyone's puppet.
With this tear, I thee want...
Reply #484 posted 03/16/17 6:38pm

youneveransweryourphone

annalizer said:

Mayte was the bride of Frankenstein that Prince created for himself. While i admired his love for her, he also robbed her of her own identity. She was young woman experiencing marriage and motherhood, but wasn't allowed to publicly celebrate the two most important events in her life. These events had to be shrouded in secrecy per Prince which indicates the marriage and child was more about him than it was about her, she was just the host. His actions with her entire pregnancy weren't right period! He really did reduce her to a muse in his ideal fantasy until reality struck and the "bride" became human and began dismantling all that he built around her.


I have to say, I feel the same way.
With this tear, I thee want...
Reply #485 posted 03/16/17 6:40pm

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:



Honestly, I'm looking at Tyka's reaction to the whole thing. So far she seems supportive.

Have you seen a comment about it on her Facebook.

No, I don't have Facebook but there are other ways of giving support.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #486 posted 03/16/17 6:41pm

annalizer

youneveransweryourphone said:

laurarichardson said:


Really stop with the psychological nosense. No one was holding her prisoner. Do some of you even think about this stuff before you type it. She worked for him for 4 years and them married him but she had no idea about what he was like. She was around when he openly juggled other women but he hypnotized her and she could not leave. I want to sell some of you the Brooklyn bridge.


Are you kidding me with that? People get trapped, especially women, in Svengali like situations or have Stockholm syndrome. Absolutely 100% possible. I don't think it was a severe case, but she was definitely bound to him in an unusual way. She always had adults directing her one way or the other. We used to watch her dance in Germany and her stepdad would stand guard. It all seemed like she was just everyone's puppet.


Exactly!
Reply #487 posted 03/16/17 6:59pm

laurarichardson

youneveransweryourphone said:

laurarichardson said:
Really stop with the psychological nosense. No one was holding her prisoner. Do some of you even think about this stuff before you type it. She worked for him for 4 years and them married him but she had no idea about what he was like. She was around when he openly juggled other women but he hypnotized her and she could not leave. I want to sell some of you the Brooklyn bridge.
Are you kidding me with that? People get trapped, especially women, in Svengali like situations or have Stockholm syndrome. Absolutely 100% possible. I don't think it was a severe case, but she was definitely bound to him in an unusual way. She always had adults directing her one way or the other. We used to watch her dance in Germany and her stepdad would stand guard. It all seemed like she was just everyone's puppet.

Do you realize that are screen shots from her Instagram were she is cussing people out and saying he will always be her husband? Her friends are harrassing people on line. I think she has serious problems and I do not think it has anythign to do with Stockholm syndrome. She was a grown women free to leave him at anytime but she hung around for almost a decade. Something is really wrong with her and I think it is all starting to come out.

Reply #488 posted 03/16/17 6:59pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said:

--I have had two and I was not given any pain killers to take home on average you are in the hospital for 3 days and you can have your pain meds while you are in the hospital. I do not understand why she would have a whole bottle of Vicoden and even she speculated that he may have taken them to stop her from taking to many. You realize that this book is out on line so I actually know some of the crazy crap she is saying and you do not. I am also not the only one questioning her since she was drunk on YouTube. [Edited 3/16/17 17:57pm]

I've had two C-sections and each time I was given a script

for Percocets to take home even though I didnt ask for painkillers.

Just saying.

eek

Reply #489 posted 03/16/17 7:12pm

laurarichardson

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

--I have had two and I was not given any pain killers to take home on average you are in the hospital for 3 days and you can have your pain meds while you are in the hospital. I do not understand why she would have a whole bottle of Vicoden and even she speculated that he may have taken them to stop her from taking to many. You realize that this book is out on line so I actually know some of the crazy crap she is saying and you do not. I am also not the only one questioning her since she was drunk on YouTube. [Edited 3/16/17 17:57pm]

I've had two C-sections and each time I was given a script

for Percocets to take home even though I didnt ask for painkillers.

Just saying.

eek

I was not given anything to take home and I was not in pain after 3 days in the hospital. You know their is a pic going around of her smoking a hooka. I wish I was making this stuff up but she is really posting this kind of stuff.

Reply #490 posted 03/16/17 7:16pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

Have you seen a comment about it on her Facebook.

No, I don't have Facebook but there are other ways of giving support.

how I have not seen any comments from his family.

Reply #491 posted 03/16/17 7:25pm

lastdecember

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

Well everyone is entitled to their opinions, I have to disagree. Mayte has the right to share what she wants to share just as PRINCE had the right not to. Just because he may have told her to keep quiet, she is a human being. The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father, also not to forget she also miscarried once i believe later on in their marriage. To have OPRAH in your house and then have MAYTE who was at the time barely 23 that is not an age where she is able to cope with this better, literally weeks after the child is dead, Oprah is in the house and she is instructed to "keep hush" and "hold it together", granted that was his thing to do, for the camera for his world he felt that was right and I always respected him for not letting the public in, but 20 years later after PRINCE has passed this story coming out or MAYTE breaking her silence is not disrespectful or harmful to anyone. Fact is the 90's were an era people thought PRINCE was "crazy" "insane" "spoiled" etc.. though us loyal fans stuck with me all through it, the public and mainstream dismissed him. As I said before general public never knew there was a child, and almost NONE knew he had another wife, barely half knew Mayte.

"The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father"

Well that is it in a nutshell. His feelings don't mean shit to her and probaly never did and they mean nothing to anyone on this board. Wow glad you had the balls to admit it. Fathers feelings don't matter. Whoa!!!

FIRST of all you read all that where?? Did I say his feelings don't matter?? Basically every quote I hear here is that she needs to shut the fuck up because "he" didnt want that known. Which is basically saying HER feelings do not matter. OK fact is that when the child died Mayte was a child herself, sorry but she was, she was with this man since she was 16, her was her love, first love, first real love and was thrust into the spotlight, and then this happenend. PRINCE had his own way to handle it and he chose that, but he also CHOSE how she had to deal with it. TO ask Mayte age 23 who just lost her child and YES so did he and no one is saying that he did not grieve, but to tell her to put a brave face for fucking stupid ass OPRAH, that interview should have been cancelled. I mean did anyone DOG Prince about the fact that he was selling a record and trying to keep that on track instead of worrying about his wife's losing it. Mayte stayed behind while he toured after their child's death to keep the press away pretty much, that I am sorry is a little selfish of us to understand why he did that, which I do but to dismiss her as nothing is what most here are saying to do.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #492 posted 03/16/17 7:26pm

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

No, I don't have Facebook but there are other ways of giving support.

how I have not seen any comments from his family.



Exactly, not even negative ones. But Tyka is doing an interview basically the same people who did Mayte's interview, doesn't that strick you any kind of way?

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #493 posted 03/16/17 7:34pm

Dini

lastdecember said:

laurarichardson said:

"The thing we forget is how much more PAINFUL it is for the mother to lose a child than a father"

Well that is it in a nutshell. His feelings don't mean shit to her and probaly never did and they mean nothing to anyone on this board. Wow glad you had the balls to admit it. Fathers feelings don't matter. Whoa!!!

FIRST of all you read all that where?? Did I say his feelings don't matter?? Basically every quote I hear here is that she needs to shut the fuck up because "he" didnt want that known. Which is basically saying HER feelings do not matter. OK fact is that when the child died Mayte was a child herself, sorry but she was, she was with this man since she was 16, her was her love, first love, first real love and was thrust into the spotlight, and then this happenend. PRINCE had his own way to handle it and he chose that, but he also CHOSE how she had to deal with it. TO ask Mayte age 23 who just lost her child and YES so did he and no one is saying that he did not grieve, but to tell her to put a brave face for fucking stupid ass OPRAH, that interview should have been cancelled. I mean did anyone DOG Prince about the fact that he was selling a record and trying to keep that on track instead of worrying about his wife's losing it. Mayte stayed behind while he toured after their child's death to keep the press away pretty much, that I am sorry is a little selfish of us to understand why he did that, which I do but to dismiss her as nothing is what most here are saying to do.

I completely agree Laura. She is relating her experience. Hers. It matters not that he would not want her to tell it. They have not been married for years and sadly he is dead. The dead don't get to boss others around and control their actions. If they could, hardly any good histories would be told, and important figures, like Prince, would vanish in time.

Reply #494 posted 03/16/17 7:43pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



morningsong said:


 


No, I don't have Facebook but there are other ways of giving support.



how I have not seen any comments from his family.





Exactly, not even negative ones.  But Tyka is doing an interview basically the same people who did Mayte's interview, doesn't that strick you any kind of way?


No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄
Reply #495 posted 03/16/17 8:01pm

CooperC62057

Militant said:

 



least87 said:


I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline.  I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.






He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so. 


 


If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures. 

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world. 

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone. 

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being. 

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



 



Militant, you summarize this so well. It's a shame that only a handful of orgers actually READ and comprehended what you were saying. I look forward to Mayte's book just as I will others to come. From my perspective, their stories are the closest any of us will ever get to understanding the man we all came to love and admire. Let their stories be told! We all know the Prince that he wanted us to know - he was a master of controlling the image, the enigma and the mystery, but I believe that there was a person that none of us ever was allowed to see. Reading the excerpt that was released left me a little shaken.....his joy of the prospect of being a father, the faith that they would get thru a difficult pregnancy and even the description of the birth of their son, as difficult as it was, reading that brought home to me that this man was human, just like you or I and reacting to a heartbreaking tragedy. Suddenly, he doesn't seem so different than anyone else. People cope in different ways and often it may not make sense but none of us can judge another. I sincerely hope that Prince found peace with his loss before his passing and that Mayte finds healing as well. I support Mayte fully on this endeavor and thank her for sharing her memories with us.
"Remember when you told me that love was touching souls?" ☔️ A Case of You ☔️
Reply #496 posted 03/16/17 8:08pm

rogifan

PennyPurple said:

 



rogifan said:


Mayte just announced a book tour. sigh https://twitter.com/maytegarcia/status/842478557909663744

I don't have twitter, does it say what cities she'll be in? Hopefully one will be in Kansas City.


New York, LA, Miami and San Francisco.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #497 posted 03/16/17 8:14pm

PennyPurple

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't have twitter, does it say what cities she'll be in? Hopefully one will be in Kansas City.

New York, LA, Miami and San Francisco.

Thank you. sad

Reply #498 posted 03/16/17 8:17pm

rogifan

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

rogifan said:



Whether it was her intention or not this will be the media meme. They'll take an anecdote from her book and somehow tie it to his death 20 years later. Of course she should know that's what they would do. Anyone with half a brain would know how this will play out in the tabloids.




Now that pisses me off, she has had no relationship with him for 20 years, of course she has no idea what happened, but that 100% makes it sound like he was a crazy drug addict while they were together and ever since. I am officially on the not o.k. Band wagon.

Exactly why I don't like it. Doesn't matter if it isn't an exact quote from her or not. It's out there now.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #499 posted 03/16/17 8:38pm

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



morningsong said:


 


No, I don't have Facebook but there are other ways of giving support.



how I have not seen any comments from his family.





Exactly, not even negative ones.  But Tyka is doing an interview basically the same people who did Mayte's interview, doesn't that strick you any kind of way?


No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄



It's the same company, they wouldn't have excerpts of Tykas interview within in the article of Maytes interview if they were completely separate. If they misrepresented Tyka I'd assume she's perfectly able to put out a disclaimer just like Andre did for his interview.
“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #500 posted 03/16/17 8:49pm

benni

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:



Exactly, not even negative ones. But Tyka is doing an interview basically the same people who did Mayte's interview, doesn't that strick you any kind of way?

No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄


Why is what Mayte doing so important to you?

Reply #501 posted 03/16/17 9:37pm

1contessa

muleFunk said:

I've said before that I have no problem with Mayte writing a book I have a problem with the timing of the book. She's had 17 years to write the book.

No she didn't, because Prince wouldn't have allowed it, and would have fought it tooth and nail, if it had anything to do with him and his life. Why do you think she never wrote a book while he was alive? Some say that she didn't speak much about Prince or their life together on the show Hollywood Exes, do you really believe that it was because she just didn't want to? Heck no, I'll bet Prince had something to do about that, and that's why she didn't speak much about him or their marriage on the show. We all know that Prince didn't play when it came to certain things, and he would sue you in a heartbeat if he didn't like something. Mayte knows that Prince is dead now, and there's nothing he can do, so that's why she wrote a book now, well that, and let's face it, money.

Reply #502 posted 03/16/17 9:54pm

purplerabbithole

I am kind of disturbed by a picture I just saw of Mayte with her mom on her instagram page. Her mom is wearing the Prince symbol. Didn't she badmouth Prince on that Hollywood Ex's show...saying something like she respected him as an artist but thought he wasn't a good husband for her daughter and too controlling. I wanna say--- Really, talk about hypocrisy. This lady sent a tape to Prince of her daughter in the first place, allowed him guardianship, didn't seem to speak against the marriage, appeared on the same Oprah show that her daughter was supposedly forced to be on (she wasn't married to him or under contract--why was she there?) and now is wearing his symbol. And wasn't there some story about her not paying rent on some apartment Prince got for her? She sure didn't mind his controlling his daughter earlier on.

I thought Prince didn't make sense sometimes. Either this women had extremely mixed feelings about her son in law or she is kind of full of shit.

1contessa said:

muleFunk said:

I've said before that I have no problem with Mayte writing a book I have a problem with the timing of the book. She's had 17 years to write the book.

No she didn't, because Prince wouldn't have allowed it, and would have fought it tooth and nail, if it had anything to do with him and his life. Why do you think she never wrote a book while he was alive? Some say that she didn't speak much about Prince or their life together on the show Hollywood Exes, do you really believe that it was because she just didn't want to? Heck no, I'll bet Prince had something to do about that, and that's why she didn't speak much about him or their marriage on the show. We all know that Prince didn't play when it came to certain things, and he would sue you in a heartbeat if he didn't like something. Mayte knows that Prince is dead now, and there's nothing he can do, so that's why she wrote a book now, well that, and let's face it, money.

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Reply #503 posted 03/16/17 10:00pm

1contessa

purplerabbithole said:

I am kind of disturbed by a picture I just saw of Mayte with her mom on her instagram page. Her mom is wearing the Prince symbol. Didn't she badmouth Prince on that Hollywood Ex's show...saying something like she respected him as an artist but thought he wasn't a good husband for her daughter and too controlling. I wanna say--- Really, talk about hypocrisy. This lady sent a tape to Prince of her daughter in the first place, allowed him guardianship, didn't seem to speak against the marriage, appeared on the same Oprah show that her daughter was supposedly forced to be on (she wasn't married to him or under contract--why was she there?) and now is wearing his symbol. And wasn't there some story about her not paying rent on some apartment Prince got for her?

I thought Prince didn't make sense sometimes. Either this women had extremely mixed feelings about her son in law or she is kind of full of shit.

1contessa said:

No she didn't, because Prince wouldn't have allowed it, and would have fought it tooth and nail, if it had anything to do with him and his life. Why do you think she never wrote a book while he was alive? Some say that she didn't speak much about Prince or their life together on the show Hollywood Exes, do you really believe that it was because she just didn't want to? Heck no, I'll bet Prince had something to do about that, and that's why she didn't speak much about him or their marriage on the show. We all know that Prince didn't play when it came to certain things, and he would sue you in a heartbeat if he didn't like something. Mayte knows that Prince is dead now, and there's nothing he can do, so that's why she wrote a book now, well that, and let's face it, money.

Yes, Mayte mom badmouthed Prince on the show. She said that Prince was a good entertainer, but that she didn't like him as a person, and spat on the floor after, showing how she felt about him.

Reply #504 posted 03/16/17 10:03pm

purplerabbithole

What a fvcking hypocrite? He didn't sue her though..it sounds like.

1contessa said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am kind of disturbed by a picture I just saw of Mayte with her mom on her instagram page. Her mom is wearing the Prince symbol. Didn't she badmouth Prince on that Hollywood Ex's show...saying something like she respected him as an artist but thought he wasn't a good husband for her daughter and too controlling. I wanna say--- Really, talk about hypocrisy. This lady sent a tape to Prince of her daughter in the first place, allowed him guardianship, didn't seem to speak against the marriage, appeared on the same Oprah show that her daughter was supposedly forced to be on (she wasn't married to him or under contract--why was she there?) and now is wearing his symbol. And wasn't there some story about her not paying rent on some apartment Prince got for her?

I thought Prince didn't make sense sometimes. Either this women had extremely mixed feelings about her son in law or she is kind of full of shit.

Yes, Mayte mom badmouthed Prince on the show. She said that Prince was a good entertainer, but that she didn't like him as a person, and spat on the floor after, showing how she felt about him.

Reply #505 posted 03/16/17 10:36pm

PurpleMedley122

laurarichardson said:

 



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


 



laurarichardson said:


--I have had two and I was not given any pain killers to take home on average you are in the hospital for 3 days and you can have your pain meds while you are in the hospital. I do not understand why she would have a whole bottle of Vicoden and even she speculated that he may have taken them to stop her from taking to many. You realize that this book is out on line so I actually know some of the crazy crap she is saying and you do not. I am also not the only one questioning her since she was drunk on YouTube. [Edited 3/16/17 17:57pm]

 I've had two C-sections and each time I was given a script


for Percocets to take home even though I didnt ask for painkillers.


Just saying.


eek



I was not given anything to take  home and I was not in pain after 3 days in the hospital. You know their is a pic going around of her smoking a hooka. I wish I was making this stuff up but she is really posting this kind of stuff.


...so? A lot of grown adults smoke (usually nicotine) out of a hooka.
You're really grasping at straws at this point to vilify this woman for some reason. And you sure seem to post a lot in a thread about a book you claim to not care for or want to read. Just saying...
Reply #506 posted 03/16/17 10:41pm

PeteSilas

sounds about right for a mother in law

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #507 posted 03/16/17 10:49pm

moonsister

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



morningsong said:


 


No, I don't have Facebook but there are other ways of giving support.



how I have not seen any comments from his family.





Exactly, not even negative ones.  But Tyka is doing an interview basically the same people who did Mayte's interview, doesn't that strick you any kind of way?


No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄


This must be better than sex for you Mrs. Laura. Ooh, and those teasers, keep 'em coming.
Reply #508 posted 03/16/17 10:53pm

paulludvig

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:

PurpleMedley122 said: A will has nothing to do with this book. A will would not have stopped her from writing this book. Where is the logical on this board?

Coming from the person who is wondering why a woman who just gave birth via c-section would be prescribed vicodin. My mom was prescribed pain pills each time after giving NATURAL birth to the 4 of us. It is completely common. Jesus, anything to deny Prince had a problem, huh?

"where's the logic"? indeed.....

If pain killers are handed out so easily, why is it so suspect if Prince was given pain killers for injuries? Mayte's book doesn't prove that Prince was taking pain killer in the 90's by the way, but it does prove that she was taking them.

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #509 posted 03/16/17 11:20pm

Dalia11

The latest excerpt from her book online is that he adopted her
when she was 17.
Reply #510 posted 03/16/17 11:29pm

purplethunder3121

Dalia11 said:

The latest excerpt from her book online is that he adopted her when she was 17.

None of this is new.

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #511 posted 03/16/17 11:41pm

PeteSilas

i saw cats reaction to the book, makes me wonder if she's planning on writing one too.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #512 posted 03/17/17 12:13am

laurarichardson

purplethunder3121 said:

 



Dalia11 said:


The latest excerpt from her book online is that he adopted her when she was 17.

None of this is new.


--Yes, it is new. She said before she came to work for him when she was 18. Never said anything about being her guardian.
Reply #513 posted 03/17/17 12:16am

Transformed1

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:
--And you were there so you know how he handled it? I think he was just as grief stricken as she was but did what a lot of men do. Shut down when things get to emotional. We know he threw himself into his work, moved on, and never used the death of that child for profit or publicity. We all see that she is doing the opposite and are well within our rights to judge. Everybody on this earth can be judged.
Seriously? Considering what we know now, pretty strange (some would say cruel to his wife, who was going through possibly the worst thing a new mother should experience). Here are his actions after his child's death: -Went on Oprah and declared "it's all good! Never mind what you hear!" -Went on the Today Show and declared "Our family exists!" -Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy -Was already beginning to ditch Mayte for Mani Those are 4 examples. [Edited 3/15/17 17:06pm]

"-Filmed the "Betcha by Golly Wow!" video which celebrates Mayte's pregnancy"

Is the timeline for the filming of that video confirmed? I feel like it was out before the birth, but i could be wrong.

Reply #514 posted 03/17/17 12:28am

laurarichardson

benni said:

 



laurarichardson said:


morningsong said:

 




Exactly, not even negative ones.  But Tyka is doing an interview basically the same people who did Mayte's interview, doesn't that strick you any kind of way?



No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄


Why is what Mayte doing so important to you? 

. Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.
Reply #515 posted 03/17/17 12:29am

laurarichardson

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:


No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄


This must be better than sex for you Mrs. Laura. Ooh, and those teasers, keep 'em coming.

-/Attacking me will not change anything. So stop wasting your time.
Reply #516 posted 03/17/17 12:35am

laurarichardson

paulludvig said:

 



PurpleMedley122 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


PurpleMedley122 said: A will has nothing to do with this book. A will would not have stopped her from writing this book. Where is the logical on this board?

Coming from the person who is wondering why a woman who just gave birth via c-section would be prescribed vicodin. My mom was prescribed pain pills each time after giving NATURAL birth to the 4 of us. It is completely common. Jesus, anything to deny Prince had a problem, huh?


 


"where's the logic"? indeed.....



If pain killers are handed out so easily, why is it so suspect if Prince was given pain killers for injuries? Mayte's book doesn't prove that Prince was taking pain killer in the 90's by the way, but it does prove that she was taking them.


Because people do not think. You not need to continue to take painkillers weeks on end after having a C-section. I had a major surgery right around this time and was in the hospital for week by the end of that week no more pain meds were given. She never saw Prince use drugs but she was taking drugs and people are giving her a pass😳 What is wrong with this pic.
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Reply #517 posted 03/17/17 12:49am

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:


No, because the T.v program made have been produced by a some production company that had nothing to do with the mag. If I hear or see Tyka say this is a great book okay she is then endorsing. I have some other stuff about Mrs. Mayte that I will post later. Not good 🙄



It's the same company, they wouldn't have excerpts of Tykas interview within in the article of Maytes interview if they were completely separate. If they misrepresented Tyka I'd assume she's perfectly able to put out a disclaimer just like Andre did for his interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/people.com/music/prince-sister-tyka-nelson-says-icon-predicted-death/amp/. Nothing in this excerpt has anything to do with the book. The special airs on the 21st I would be very surprised if she mentions anything about the book since the interview concerns Tyka's remember emcee of her brother not Mayte's.
Reply #518 posted 03/17/17 12:55am

laurarichardson

PurpleMedley122 said:

laurarichardson said:

 



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


 



laurarichardson said:


--I have had two and I was not given any pain killers to take home on average you are in the hospital for 3 days and you can have your pain meds while you are in the hospital. I do not understand why she would have a whole bottle of Vicoden and even she speculated that he may have taken them to stop her from taking to many. You realize that this book is out on line so I actually know some of the crazy crap she is saying and you do not. I am also not the only one questioning her since she was drunk on YouTube. [Edited 3/16/17 17:57pm]

 I've had two C-sections and each time I was given a script


for Percocets to take home even though I didnt ask for painkillers.


Just saying.


eek



I was not given anything to take  home and I was not in pain after 3 days in the hospital. You know their is a pic going around of her smoking a hooka. I wish I was making this stuff up but she is really posting this kind of stuff.


...so? A lot of grown adults smoke (usually nicotine) out of a hooka.
You're really grasping at straws at this point to vilify this woman for some reason. And you sure seem to post a lot in a thread about a book you claim to not care for or want to read. Just saying...

//But I am not buying the book and there is other stuff you do not even know about but the truth is you and the rest of the noisy gossip mongers are packing a lunch and living in La La land which actually think is funny. You think tobacco is her hooka. eek and it is cool to post that on Instagram and it is cool to film yourself drunk off your ass and put it on YOUTUBE. No question of taste or sanity and she can make allegations about Prince' drug use that she never saw😳
Reply #519 posted 03/17/17 1:02am

Strawberrylova123

laurarichardson said:[quote]

PurpleMedley122 said:


...so? A lot of grown adults smoke (usually nicotine) out of a hooka.
You're really grasping at straws at this point to vilify this woman for some reason. And you sure seem to post a lot in a thread about a book you claim to not care for or want to read. Just saying...

//But I am not buying the book and there is other stuff you do not even know about but the truth is you and the rest of the noisy gossip mongers are packing a lunch and living in La La land which actually think is funny. You think tobacco is her hooka. eek and it is cool to post that on Instagram and it is cool to film yourself drunk off your ass and put it on YOUTUBE. No question of taste or sanity and she can make allegations about Prince' drug use that she never saw😳[/quote
in the book, prince pleaded 2 her to return to his hotel room to flush his pills down the toilet...prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.
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Reply #520 posted 03/17/17 1:21am

laurarichardson

Strawberrylova123 said:[quote]

laurarichardson said:

PurpleMedley122 said:


...so? A lot of grown adults smoke (usually nicotine) out of a hooka.
You're really grasping at straws at this point to vilify this woman for some reason. And you sure seem to post a lot in a thread about a book you claim to not care for or want to read. Just saying...

//But I am not buying the book and there is other stuff you do not even know about but the truth is you and the rest of the noisy gossip mongers are packing a lunch and living in La La land which actually think is funny. You think tobacco is her hooka. eek and it is cool to post that on Instagram and it is cool to film yourself drunk off your ass and put it on YOUTUBE. No question of taste or sanity and she can make allegations about Prince' drug use that she never saw😳[/quote
in the book, prince pleaded 2 her to return to his hotel room to flush his pills down the toilet...prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.
[Edited 3/17/17 1:11am]

I have never said he was not taking pain pills. The problem with Hooka women is that she said she never saw him taking them. Why mention it at all and how does she know he did not have an RX or real pain issues. How can you live in a house with your husband and no nothing about his health or behavior on drugs? In addition, if you are in a glass house don't throw stones. If it is okay for her to a Vicoden for her pain or smoke her hooka why was it wrong or inconceivable that Prince had pain? It shows no compassion and I doubt she is so clueless that she can't see the stereotyping that the media is doing however, karma is a bitch and I think she is going to find that out soon.
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Reply #521 posted 03/17/17 1:56am

PeteSilas

she can't be pure evil if she didn't make up seeing him take drugs and shooting up, i'll give her that.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #522 posted 03/17/17 2:33am

laurarichardson

PeteSilas said:

she can't be pure evil if she didn't make up seeing him take drugs and shooting up, i'll give her that.


--I actually do not think she is pure evil and I do not think Prince was put evil either I think she is taking what was probably worst time in his in life and exploiting it to make money. If my child was on life support I would be living in the bottom of a rum bottle I just do not see any compassion from her that was his baby just like it was hers.
Reply #523 posted 03/17/17 2:39am

laurarichardson

There are screen shots of Mayte's Instagram were she is cussing people and saying she will always be his wife! Her friends are. Harrassing people on Facebook. I saw all this stuff yesterday and I was really surprised as I had no idea how off she was so her mom strolling around in a symbol shirt after bad mouthing him on T.V does not surprise me.

purplerabbitholesaid:

I am kind of disturbed by a picture I just saw of Matte with her mom on her instagram page. Her mom is wearing the Prince symbol. Didn't she badmouth Prince on that Hollywood Ex's show...saying something like she respected him as an artist but thought he wasn't a good husband for her daughter and too controlling. I wanna say--- Really,  talk about hypocrisy. This lady sent a tape to Prince of her daughter in the first place, allowed him guardianship, didn't seem to speak against the marriage, appeared on the same Oprah show that her daughter was supposedly forced to be on (she wasn't married to him or under contract--why was she there?) and now is wearing his symbol.  And wasn't there some story about her not paying rent on some apartment Prince got for her? She sure didn't mind his controlling his daughter earlier on.


 


I thought Prince didn't make sense sometimes. Either this women had extremely mixed feelings about her son in law or she is kind of full of shit.


 


 


 


 


 



1contessa said:


 



muleFunk said:


I've said before that I have no problem with Mayte writing a book I have a problem with the timing of the book. She's had 17 years to write the book.


 


 



 


No she didn't, because Prince wouldn't have allowed it, and would have fought it tooth and nail, if it had anything to do with him and his life. Why do you think she never wrote a book while he was alive? Some say that she didn't speak much about Prince or their life together on the show Hollywood Exes, do you really believe that it was because she just didn't want to? Heck no, I'll bet Prince had something to do about that, and that's why she didn't speak much about him or their marriage on the show. We all know that Prince didn't play when it came to certain things, and he would sue you in a heartbeat if he didn't like something. Mayte knows that Prince is dead now, and there's nothing he can do, so that's why she wrote a book now, well that, and let's face it, money.



 

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Reply #524 posted 03/17/17 3:07am

PeteSilas

tell alls no doubt have lies in them, i mean, they have too, people have an axe to grind. She could have said all kinds of stuff and no one would know any better. Priscilla said that Elvis raped her when he caught her cheating, I don't think she can say anything worse than that. Usually, the embellishments that hangers ons put in bios is harmless, they make it seem as if the star liked them better than everyone else around them. but I'm sure there have been lies, lots of lies.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #525 posted 03/17/17 3:52am

kmama07

benni said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


benni said:

 



But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it).  He is no longer with us either.  The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother.  The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist.  He did have life," is Mayte.  And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father."  Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss.  And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.



Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth?  When did you know what the baby's name?  I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory?  In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name?  They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome.  And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her.  She has never been able to talk about Ahmir.  As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years.  Non-disclosure papers? 

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids.  This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment.  The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome. 

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace?  First off, have you ever lost a child?  As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby.  I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes.  But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure. 

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating.  You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture. 

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results?  When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did?  Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year?  Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill.  No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year.  We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief.  Mayte could not do that.  We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum.  Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence.  People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit. 

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in.  Look at what happens with people who claim to love you.  They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad.  And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child.  You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this."  You're right.  He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb. 

If you don't want to read the book, then don't.  There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book.  If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt? 


yeahthat yeahthat yeahthat
Reply #526 posted 03/17/17 3:55am

AnnaSantana

Militant said:

The ridiculous thing is that from what we know, she's not dogging him out in the book - but just telling her side of the story.

If Prince had managed to complete his book - and for argument's sake let's say he dogged out Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Vanity, Wendy, Lisa, anyone........ Would anyone here be jumping to their defence and saying that Prince shouldn't have written his book etc etc etc? No, of course not. Because he is entitled to his side of the story and Mayte is entitled to hers.

Right now, people are judging someone they don't know for writing a book they haven't read that's about a relationship they weren't in. And why? Because Prince didn't want her to write it? Well, let me tell you all something - there were times where he didn't want any of us talking about him on this very forum either. Other people will use that as some sort of twisted evidence that none of us should even be here doing what we're doing right now. Other times, he'd happily log on himself and chuckle at some of the nonsense that gets posted on here. Hell, he said it himself in the AOL chat with that journalist who passed away - he asked her if she ever read prince.org and that some stuff was fun to read. And he would relay messages to us many times, even up until his passing, through Tyka, Meron, Julia, Trevor......whoever was around.

They're afraid. Afraid that Prince will be seen as less than perfect. That's all it is. Personally, I'm looking forward to the book. There's nothing (short of rape, or possibly murder) that could make me love Prince less.

Just fun....nothing ethereal.
Reply #527 posted 03/17/17 4:02am

1Sasha

I wonder who on TV will get the interviews with her. Anyone think Oprah might be up for a sequel?

Reply #528 posted 03/17/17 4:07am

purplerabbithole

So all people who speak about their issues with this book are doing so because they don't like that Prince is depicted as less than perfect???and We should just not read the book.

This trivialization of others concerns is a bit unfair. I, for one, don't care if she wrote a book (even though I have always been weary of people thinking random strangers can give you support and therapy), Everyone knows he is less than perfect. everyone knows his wife wasn't given the right kind of support from Prince when the baby died.

My concern is that the magazine is cherrypicked for salacious details without balance, the headline was tacky, and the timing of the book is atrocious. Plus, I doubt she calls out her parents or herself for their own flaws and mistakes--at the very least we all make mistakes and have flaws..

AnnaSantana said:

Militant said:

The ridiculous thing is that from what we know, she's not dogging him out in the book - but just telling her side of the story.

If Prince had managed to complete his book - and for argument's sake let's say he dogged out Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Vanity, Wendy, Lisa, anyone........ Would anyone here be jumping to their defence and saying that Prince shouldn't have written his book etc etc etc? No, of course not. Because he is entitled to his side of the story and Mayte is entitled to hers.

Right now, people are judging someone they don't know for writing a book they haven't read that's about a relationship they weren't in. And why? Because Prince didn't want her to write it? Well, let me tell you all something - there were times where he didn't want any of us talking about him on this very forum either. Other people will use that as some sort of twisted evidence that none of us should even be here doing what we're doing right now. Other times, he'd happily log on himself and chuckle at some of the nonsense that gets posted on here. Hell, he said it himself in the AOL chat with that journalist who passed away - he asked her if she ever read prince.org and that some stuff was fun to read. And he would relay messages to us many times, even up until his passing, through Tyka, Meron, Julia, Trevor......whoever was around.

They're afraid. Afraid that Prince will be seen as less than perfect. That's all it is. Personally, I'm looking forward to the book. There's nothing (short of rape, or possibly murder) that could make me love Prince less.

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Reply #529 posted 03/17/17 4:08am

laurarichardson

AnnaSantana said:

Militant said:

The ridiculous thing is that from what we know, she's not dogging him out in the book - but just telling her side of the story.

If Prince had managed to complete his book - and for argument's sake let's say he dogged out Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Vanity, Wendy, Lisa, anyone........ Would anyone here be jumping to their defence and saying that Prince shouldn't have written his book etc etc etc? No, of course not. Because he is entitled to his side of the story and Mayte is entitled to hers.

Right now, people are judging someone they don't know for writing a book they haven't read that's about a relationship they weren't in. And why? Because Prince didn't want her to write it? Well, let me tell you all something - there were times where he didn't want any of us talking about him on this very forum either. Other people will use that as some sort of twisted evidence that none of us should even be here doing what we're doing right now. Other times, he'd happily log on himself and chuckle at some of the nonsense that gets posted on here. Hell, he said it himself in the AOL chat with that journalist who passed away - he asked her if she ever read prince.org and that some stuff was fun to read. And he would relay messages to us many times, even up until his passing, through Tyka, Meron, Julia, Trevor......whoever was around.

They're afraid. Afraid that Prince will be seen as less than perfect. That's all it is. Personally, I'm looking forward to the book. There's nothing (short of rape, or possibly murder) that could make me love Prince less.

No one is afraid of anything and no one thinks Prince was perfect either but she is not perfect herself and exploiting the worst four years of someone's life to put a dollar in your pocket is wrong. It is plain and simple she has a right to say what she wants and no one can stop her you have a right to do something does not mean you should. He never dogged her in public I doubt after almost a 40 year carreer he would have started his book writing about his women. I believe his book was going to be about the music. You can do that when you have talent and something to offer people other then gossip.

She is greedy and some of you are in a serious state of denial. See below.

Prince Worn Jewelry
>
> In March 2016, one month before Prince died, we at NateDSanders.com Auction House, had Prince worn jewelry at auction consigned by his first wife, Mayte Garcia. We knew that Prince was very litigious so we were worried about having Prince worn jewelry at a public auction given that he sued almost every frivolous thing. We asked Mayte if he was going to sue and she said: “Prince doesn’t want to mess with me.” A month later, Prince sued, and we pulled the items from the auction. It wasn’t that we didn’t think that we could win the auction, it just wasn’t worth the time and money to fight Prince. A month after that, Prince died. Now, Prince worn jewelry would be worth fighting a lawsuit for as his jewelry could sell for $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 and up. Back then, Prince worn jewelry was much harder to sell. His death brought great demand for his memorabilia. Here are descriptions and pictures of the Prince worn jewelry at our auction:"
> ========
> Source: http://natedsanders.com/b...n-jewelry/

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[Edited 3/17/17 4:13am]

Reply #530 posted 03/17/17 4:12am

AnnaSantana

laurarichardson said:

AnnaSantana said:

They're afraid. Afraid that Prince will be seen as less than perfect. That's all it is. Personally, I'm looking forward to the book. There's nothing (short of rape, or possibly murder) that could make me love Prince less.

No one is afraid of anything and no one thinks Prince was perfect either but she is not perfect herself and exploiting the worst four years of someone's life to put a dollar in your pocket is wrong. It is plain and simple she has a right to say what she wants and no one can stop because you have a righ to do something does not mean you should. He never dogged in public I doubt after almost a 40 year carreer he would have started his book writing about his women. I believe his book was going to be about the music

She is greedy and some of you are in a serious state of denial. See below.

Prince Worn Jewelry
>
> In March 2016, one month before Prince died, we at NateDSanders.com Auction House, had Prince worn jewelry at auction consigned by his first wife, Mayte Garcia. We knew that Prince was very litigious so we were worried about having Prince worn jewelry at a public auction given that he sued almost every frivolous thing. We asked Mayte if he was going to sue and she said: “Prince doesn’t want to mess with me.” A month later, Prince sued, and we pulled the items from the auction. It wasn’t that we didn’t think that we could win the auction, it just wasn’t worth the time and money to fight Prince. A month after that, Prince died. Now, Prince worn jewelry would be worth fighting a lawsuit for as his jewelry could sell for $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 and up. Back then, Prince worn jewelry was much harder to sell. His death brought great demand for his memorabilia. Here are descriptions and pictures of the Prince worn jewelry at our auction:"
> ========
> Source: http://natedsanders.com/b...n-jewelry/

[Edited 3/17/17 4:09am]

Project much, sweetie? lol

Just fun....nothing ethereal.
Reply #531 posted 03/17/17 4:14am

laurarichardson

AnnaSantana said:

laurarichardson said:

No one is afraid of anything and no one thinks Prince was perfect either but she is not perfect herself and exploiting the worst four years of someone's life to put a dollar in your pocket is wrong. It is plain and simple she has a right to say what she wants and no one can stop because you have a righ to do something does not mean you should. He never dogged in public I doubt after almost a 40 year carreer he would have started his book writing about his women. I believe his book was going to be about the music

She is greedy and some of you are in a serious state of denial. See below.

Prince Worn Jewelry
>
> In March 2016, one month before Prince died, we at NateDSanders.com Auction House, had Prince worn jewelry at auction consigned by his first wife, Mayte Garcia. We knew that Prince was very litigious so we were worried about having Prince worn jewelry at a public auction given that he sued almost every frivolous thing. We asked Mayte if he was going to sue and she said: “Prince doesn’t want to mess with me.” A month later, Prince sued, and we pulled the items from the auction. It wasn’t that we didn’t think that we could win the auction, it just wasn’t worth the time and money to fight Prince. A month after that, Prince died. Now, Prince worn jewelry would be worth fighting a lawsuit for as his jewelry could sell for $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 and up. Back then, Prince worn jewelry was much harder to sell. His death brought great demand for his memorabilia. Here are descriptions and pictures of the Prince worn jewelry at our auction:"
> ========
> Source: http://natedsanders.com/b...n-jewelry/

[Edited 3/17/17 4:09am]

Project much, sweetie? lol

No just providing the facts. I am not the greedy person gleeming on to a dead man.

Reply #532 posted 03/17/17 4:17am

AnnaSantana

laurarichardson said:

AnnaSantana said:

Project much, sweetie? lol

No just providing the facts. I am not the greedy person gleeming on to a dead man.

It's okay. You can admit you're scared.

Just fun....nothing ethereal.
Reply #533 posted 03/17/17 4:21am

laurarichardson

AnnaSantana said:

laurarichardson said:

No just providing the facts. I am not the greedy person gleeming on to a dead man.

It's okay. You can admit you're scared.

I am scared at the level of foolishness on this board. I honestly think some of you belong to the flat earth society or you have stock in publishing company.

Reply #534 posted 03/17/17 4:22am

PeteSilas

compared to elvis fans, the fans here are docile, elvis fans are very protective.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #535 posted 03/17/17 4:46am

BillieBalloon

morningsong said:

 



XxAxX said:


 



purplethunder3121 said:


 


Especially because he isn't here to defend himself. nod





personally, i am feeling ambivalent about this book.  i really admire Mayte and what she's accomplished in life, and i think it's her right to tell her story. 

but i also feel sad because i think we will find out things about prince that were personal, and maybe unflattering. 

we all have unflattering sides, and do things we wouldn't want splashed out in a widely read book.  and even though prince was a public figure, the parts of his life thus exposed to public scrutiny were personal and should be kept that way.

then again, Mayte has the absolute right to say what she has to say and tell her own story, even if other people decide in their minds that her words and exposure of her life with prince are 'trashy' or 'classless' . 

so.... ambivalent here...  i don't want to read the book right now, might not ever do so.  but good for Mayte anyway


[Edited 3/16/17 17:43pm]





Honestly, I'm looking at Tyka's reaction to the whole thing.  So far she seems supportive.




Tyka hasnt said a thing yet.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #536 posted 03/17/17 4:55am

BillieBalloon

AnnaSantana said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



AnnaSantana said:


 


 


 


Project much, sweetie?  lol



No just providing the facts. I am not the greedy person gleeming on to a dead man.



 


It's okay. You can admit you're scared.




Scared of what?
Weve seen Prince dragged from here to kingdom come on this board and the press. We have seen him be called every name under the sun here and in the media over the years. We are adults. Nobody is scared.
Now are you going to address this issue as a grown up? or is it time for your milk and cookies?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #537 posted 03/17/17 4:59am

BillieBalloon

PeteSilas said:

compared to elvis fans, the fans here are docile, elvis fans are very protective.




Dont you know that Prince has been trolled here for years?
When he died they cried, but old habits die hard.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #538 posted 03/17/17 5:07am

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

morningsong said:



Honestly, I'm looking at Tyka's reaction to the whole thing. So far she seems supportive.

Tyka hasnt said a thing yet.

No, she has not said anything some people on this board are just making it up as they go along.

Reply #539 posted 03/17/17 5:10am

PeteSilas

BillieBalloon said:

PeteSilas said:

compared to elvis fans, the fans here are docile, elvis fans are very protective.

Dont you know that Prince has been trolled here for years? When he died they cried, but old habits die hard.

don't i know it, i got booted off here before, maybe will again. Anyway, I'll say what i feel about Malcolm X's last big hack job, my question is, what good does it do? for anyone? And that's not even considering whether most of it was lies, the question i have is, what good does it do to take an icon, a great example and "humanize him" or whatever. I guess for the bougie it makes them feel better but for people that actually need some of the great attributes that Malcolm had, what good does it do them to hear crap?

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
Reply #540 posted 03/17/17 5:10am

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

AnnaSantana said:

It's okay. You can admit you're scared.

Scared of what? Weve seen Prince dragged from here to kingdom come on this board and the press. We have seen him be called every name under the sun here and in the media over the years. We are adults. Nobody is scared. Now are you going to address this issue as a grown up? or is it time for your milk and cookies?

Exactly, dude was an open book. The only thing we did not know about the baby was the details of his apperance and his real name. Those two stupid nannies told a lot to the tabs. You know the two nannies that were trying to sell pics of the baby to the tabs and went to the police making accusations that were not found to be true. Sounds like P was surrounded by money grubbing and explortive people all around

Reply #541 posted 03/17/17 5:29am

luvgirl

I'm not gonna be on this thread bashing Mayte. Not gonna be posting much here, but I just wanted to say, I wish she would have been more loyal to Prince by keeping certain private things to herself that Prince wouldn't have wanted people to know about. That would have been the real show of love. I can't help but feel resentful towards the drug use comments. And reading the excerpt about the first time Prince held his baby felt really wrong, and I feel like she violated Prince by telling the world about such a personal moment. If that was my experience, I would have never wanted strangers to share that with me. She has a right to tell her story, but I think she was careless in what she shared about Prince. She shouldn't have done that to him...
[Edited 3/17/17 19:37pm]
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #542 posted 03/17/17 5:31am

lastdecember

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

AnnaSantana said: Scared of what? Weve seen Prince dragged from here to kingdom come on this board and the press. We have seen him be called every name under the sun here and in the media over the years. We are adults. Nobody is scared. Now are you going to address this issue as a grown up? or is it time for your milk and cookies?

Exactly, dude was an open book. The only thing we did not know about the baby was the details of his apperance and his real name. Those two stupid nannies told a lot to the tabs. You know the two nannies that were trying to sell pics of the baby to the tabs and went to the police making accusations that were not found to be true. Sounds like P was surrounded by money grubbing and explortive people all around

Prince was very fortunate in his life that he DID NOT have many if any scandals, he very rarely was topic for discussions in the media for that reason. Till the name change, and then followed by the marriage and childs death but still at the time PRINCE was not a "IN" artist he was really written off in terms of mainstream in the mid to late 90's. He was not like a Madonna or MJ who had things constantly about them true and false.

As far as money grubbing that can be said of the two nannies, but I would not apply that to writing this book though. 99.9% of the world does not know MAYTE, and in this trending social media driven world where you are news for a day, no one is gonna care what is in that book when we actually read it or someone does.

And if we can say MAYTE is "money grubbing" then everyone from the Revolution to Shelia doing cruises and Morris Day doing his thing, to all of a sudden the NPG is a band again and touring do we apply that to all of them? For me I dont, the reality is if they don't keep him "ALIVE" no one is gonna. The tours are over, no more showing up to parties, no more late nite gigs, no more hit n run's to talk about, and probably very limited "new" music coming if any at all. So for me I would rather have people who knew him talked about him, and WE ALL who have minds can believe it or just not believe it, but I would rather see 3rd eye girl or the NPG etc...touring and doing what they have too and what they want than see Bruno Mars dressing up like Prince on an award show.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #543 posted 03/17/17 5:37am

rogifan

purplerabbithole said:

So all people who speak about their issues with this book are doing so because they don't like that Prince is depicted as less than perfect???and We should just not read the book.


 


This trivialization of others concerns is a bit unfair. I, for one, don't care if she wrote a book (even though I have always been weary of people thinking random strangers can give you support and therapy), Everyone knows he is less than perfect. everyone knows his wife wasn't given the right kind of support from Prince when the baby died.


 


My concern is that the magazine is cherrypicked for salacious details without balance, the headline was tacky, and the timing of the book is atrocious. Plus, I doubt she calls out her parents or herself for their own flaws and mistakes--at the very least we all make mistakes and have flaws.


It's not "a bit unfair" it's bullshit. Those of us who aren't fans of what Mayte is doing, it has nothing to do with her not painting Prince as a saint. No one here is arguing Prince was a perfect human being wit no flaws. rolleyes

Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #544 posted 03/17/17 5:45am

1Sasha

Prince was a genius. None of us will think less of his music or his films or any other work product from his brilliant mind. That being said, he was a human being and people are offering bits and pieces about the human being. That is all this book is. We've had 100+ pages or so on the org about his relationship with Andy Allo - most of which is supposition based upon glances at concerts ... Mayte has an actual story to tell - let her tell it. It is her right.

Reply #545 posted 03/17/17 5:48am

rogifan

luvgirl said:

I'm not gonna be on this thread bashing Mayte. Not gonna be posting much here, but I just wanted to say I wish she would have been more loyal to Prince by keeping certain private things to herself that Prince wouldn't have want people to know. That would have been the real show of love. I can't help but feel resentful towards the drug use comments, and reading the excerpt about the first time Prince held his baby felt really wrong and I feel like she violated Prince by telling the world. If that was my experience, I would have never wanted strangers to share that with me. She has a right to tell her story, but I think she was careless in what she shared about Prince....

She has a right to tell her story like anyone does but honestly would anyone even know who she was had she not been married to Prince? It's not like she's had a successful career or a really interesting life and also just happened to be married to Prince. The only reason a lot of people will be buying this book is because of what she writes about Prince. And because people love reading about other people's flaws and tragedies there's enough of that in the book to get the attention of the tabloids and possibly produce additional book sales outside of did hard Prince fans. Makes me want to vomit.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #546 posted 03/17/17 5:48am

laurarichardson

lastdecember said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



BillieBalloon said:


AnnaSantana said: Scared of what? Weve seen Prince dragged from here to kingdom come on this board and the press. We have seen him be called every name under the sun here and in the media over the years. We are adults. Nobody is scared. Now are you going to address this issue as a grown up? or is it time for your milk and cookies?

Exactly, dude was an open book. The only thing we did not know about the baby was the details of his apperance and his real name. Those two stupid nannies told a lot to the tabs. You know the two nannies that were trying to sell pics of the baby to the tabs and went to the police making accusations that were not found to be true.  Sounds like P was surrounded by money grubbing and explortive people all around



 


Prince was very fortunate in his life that he DID NOT have many if any scandals, he very rarely was topic for discussions in the media for that reason. Till the name change, and then followed by the marriage and childs death but still at the time PRINCE was not a "IN" artist he was really written off in terms of mainstream in the mid to late 90's. He was not like a Madonna or MJ who had things constantly about them true and false.


 


As far as money grubbing that can be said of the two nannies, but I would not apply that to writing this book though. 99.9% of the world does not know MAYTE, and in this trending social media driven world where you are news for a day, no one is gonna care what is in that book when we actually read it or someone does.


 


And if we can say MAYTE is "money grubbing" then everyone from the Revolution to Shelia doing cruises and Morris Day doing his thing, to all of a sudden the NPG is a band again and touring do we apply that to all of them? For me I dont, the reality is if they don't keep him "ALIVE" no one is gonna. The tours are over, no more showing up to parties, no more late nite gigs, no more hit n run's to talk about, and probably very limited "new" music coming if any at all.  So for me I would rather have people who knew him talked about him, and WE ALL who have minds can believe it or just not believe it, but I would rather see 3rd eye girl or the NPG etc...touring and doing what they have too and what they want than see Bruno Mars dressing up like Prince on an award show.


--Those people are musicians making a living with their talent and they were doing this before he died. Prince toured with them and worked with them. They are making money by working not tearing him for a buck. Can you imagine the things Morris and Sheila E could say but you get nothing but love. These two have done charity concerts to support causes Prince supported. How in the hell are you making a comparison? She is exploiting their child and I posted what the auction site dad about her trying to sell the jewelry that it appears she did not have the right to sell in the first place.
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[Edited 3/17/17 6:29am]
Reply #547 posted 03/17/17 5:54am

BillieBalloon

PeteSilas said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


PeteSilas said:

compared to elvis fans, the fans here are docile, elvis fans are very protective.



Dont you know that Prince has been trolled here for years? When he died they cried, but old habits die hard.

don't i know it, i got booted off here before, maybe will again. Anyway, I'll say what i feel about Malcolm X's last big hack job, my question is, what good does it do?  for anyone?  And that's not even considering whether most of it was lies, the question i have is, what good does it do to take an icon, a great example and "humanize him"  or whatever.  I guess for the bougie it makes them feel better but for people that actually need some of the great attributes that Malcolm had, what good does it do them to hear crap?  




The press have cherry picked quotes from the book and are busy right now tarnishing his reputation, people are calling him vile things.

So yeah...what good did it do?
This man who gave so much.
He had faullts, im not blind to that, but raking over a dead mans bones the way they are?

Where are his fans?
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #548 posted 03/17/17 6:09am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

Just don't say you love someone forever, and then share their deepest darkest moments of dispare for money. If you really loved him, you could not do it for any price.
Reply #549 posted 03/17/17 6:10am

Lovejunky

BillieBalloon said:

PeteSilas said:

don't i know it, i got booted off here before, maybe will again. Anyway, I'll say what i feel about Malcolm X's last big hack job, my question is, what good does it do? for anyone? And that's not even considering whether most of it was lies, the question i have is, what good does it do to take an icon, a great example and "humanize him" or whatever. I guess for the bougie it makes them feel better but for people that actually need some of the great attributes that Malcolm had, what good does it do them to hear crap?

The press have cherry picked quotes from the book and are busy right now tarnishing his reputation, people are calling him vile things. So yeah...what good did it do? This man who gave so much. He had faullts, im not blind to that, but raking over a dead mans bones the way they are? Where are his fans?

Heres one...

Enduring the horrible Media slaughter and bracing myself becasue its only beginning....and it hurts so much to see Prince dishonoured in any way ...and its happenening before our eyes.

But the shit wont stick.

Prince was GOOD

time will prove that...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
http://prince.org/msg/15/445991
Reply #550 posted 03/17/17 6:11am

PennyPurple

So when everyone gets their books, do you all want to do a book club?

Reply #551 posted 03/17/17 6:20am

rogifan

BillieBalloon said:

PeteSilas said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


PeteSilas said:

compared to elvis fans, the fans here are docile, elvis fans are very protective.



Dont you know that Prince has been trolled here for years? When he died they cried, but old habits die hard.

don't i know it, i got booted off here before, maybe will again. Anyway, I'll say what i feel about Malcolm X's last big hack job, my question is, what good does it do?  for anyone?  And that's not even considering whether most of it was lies, the question i have is, what good does it do to take an icon, a great example and "humanize him"  or whatever.  I guess for the bougie it makes them feel better but for people that actually need some of the great attributes that Malcolm had, what good does it do them to hear crap?  




The press have cherry picked quotes from the book and are busy right now tarnishing his reputation, people are calling him vile things.

So yeah...what good did it do?
This man who gave so much.
He had faullts, im not blind to that, but raking over a dead mans bones the way they are?

Where are his fans?

Apparently on Amazon ordering the book. disbelief
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #552 posted 03/17/17 6:21am

BillieBalloon

Lovejunky said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


PeteSilas said:

 


don't i know it, i got booted off here before, maybe will again. Anyway, I'll say what i feel about Malcolm X's last big hack job, my question is, what good does it do?  for anyone?  And that's not even considering whether most of it was lies, the question i have is, what good does it do to take an icon, a great example and "humanize him"  or whatever.  I guess for the bougie it makes them feel better but for people that actually need some of the great attributes that Malcolm had, what good does it do them to hear crap?  



The press have cherry picked quotes from the book and are busy right now tarnishing his reputation, people are calling him vile things. So yeah...what good did it do? This man who gave so much. He had faullts, im not blind to that, but raking over a dead mans bones the way they are? Where are his fans?

Heres one...


 


Enduring the horrible Media slaughter and bracing myself becasue its only beginning....and it hurts so much to see Prince dishonoured in any way ...and its happenening before our eyes.


But the shit wont stick.


 


 


 


Prince was GOOD


 


time will prove that...


 


 


 


 




Nice to meet you!

The dismantling of this man has begun.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #553 posted 03/17/17 6:25am

wonder505

CooperC62057 said:

Militant said:



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Militant, you summarize this so well. It's a shame that only a handful of orgers actually READ and comprehended what you were saying. I look forward to Mayte's book just as I will others to come. From my perspective, their stories are the closest any of us will ever get to understanding the man we all came to love and admire. Let their stories be told! We all know the Prince that he wanted us to know - he was a master of controlling the image, the enigma and the mystery, but I believe that there was a person that none of us ever was allowed to see. Reading the excerpt that was released left me a little shaken.....his joy of the prospect of being a father, the faith that they would get thru a difficult pregnancy and even the description of the birth of their son, as difficult as it was, reading that brought home to me that this man was human, just like you or I and reacting to a heartbreaking tragedy. Suddenly, he doesn't seem so different than anyone else. People cope in different ways and often it may not make sense but none of us can judge another. I sincerely hope that Prince found peace with his loss before his passing and that Mayte finds healing as well. I support Mayte fully on this endeavor and thank her for sharing her memories with us.

Soooo you never looked at Prince as a human being before reading his private stuff? I get what you're saying but thats just sad. In addition to the media having a field day with this.

[Edited 3/17/17 6:48am]

Reply #554 posted 03/17/17 6:28am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

--Those people are musicians making a living with their talent and they were doing this before he died. Prince toured with them and worked with them. They are making money by working not tearing him for a buck. Can you imagine the things Morris and Sheila E could say but you get nothing but love. These two have done charity concerts to support causes Prince supported. How in the hell are you making a comparison? She is exploiting their child and I posted what the auction site dad about her trying to sell the jewelry that it appears she did not have the right to sell in the first place. [Edited 3/17/17 5:51am]

Well it looks like the Revolution might be in bed with an enemy.

Where is the outrage?

Latin:

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Reply #555 posted 03/17/17 6:32am

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:



 



--Those people are musicians making a living with their talent and they were doing this before he died. Prince toured with them and worked with them. They are making money by working not tearing him for a buck. Can you imagine the things Morris and Sheila E could say but you get nothing but love. These two have done charity concerts to support causes Prince supported. How in the hell are you making a comparison? She is exploiting their child and I posted what the auction site dad about her trying to sell the jewelry that it appears she did not have the right to sell in the first place. [Edited 3/17/17 5:51am]

Well it looks like the Revolution might be in bed with an enemy.


Where is the outrage?


 


 


 


Latin:



On February 21, 2017, Brown Mark posted the following on Twitter: "@ebenet If you're in NY May3rd you should come check us out at Webster Hall. Would love to have you come up on stage with us. Let me know 👊🏾"



Mark could be clueless about that situation. I know when Eric hot on the stage at the L.A memorial many people were pissed and M2 has gone into her hovel since those divorce papers came out.
Reply #556 posted 03/17/17 6:34am

laurarichardson

BillieBalloon said:

Lovejunky said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


PeteSilas said:

 


don't i know it, i got booted off here before, maybe will again. Anyway, I'll say what i feel about Malcolm X's last big hack job, my question is, what good does it do?  for anyone?  And that's not even considering whether most of it was lies, the question i have is, what good does it do to take an icon, a great example and "humanize him"  or whatever.  I guess for the bougie it makes them feel better but for people that actually need some of the great attributes that Malcolm had, what good does it do them to hear crap?  



The press have cherry picked quotes from the book and are busy right now tarnishing his reputation, people are calling him vile things. So yeah...what good did it do? This man who gave so much. He had faullts, im not blind to that, but raking over a dead mans bones the way they are? Where are his fans?

Heres one...


 


Enduring the horrible Media slaughter and bracing myself becasue its only beginning....and it hurts so much to see Prince dishonoured in any way ...and its happenening before our eyes.


But the shit wont stick.


 


 


 


Prince was GOOD


 


time will prove that...


 


 


 


 




Nice to meet you!

The dismantling of this man has begun.

--Plenty of people have spoken up for him. People who are influential. I do not think Mayte is going to have it easy when she is promoting this book she is already being dragged hard.
[Edited 3/17/17 7:13am]
Reply #557 posted 03/17/17 6:58am

BillieBalloon

wonder505 said:

 



CooperC62057 said:


Militant said:

 





He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so. 


 


If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures. 

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world. 

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone. 

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being. 

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



 



Militant, you summarize this so well. It's a shame that only a handful of orgers actually READ and comprehended what you were saying. I look forward to Mayte's book just as I will others to come. From my perspective, their stories are the closest any of us will ever get to understanding the man we all came to love and admire. Let their stories be told! We all know the Prince that he wanted us to know - he was a master of controlling the image, the enigma and the mystery, but I believe that there was a person that none of us ever was allowed to see. Reading the excerpt that was released left me a little shaken.....his joy of the prospect of being a father, the faith that they would get thru a difficult pregnancy and even the description of the birth of their son, as difficult as it was, reading that brought home to me that this man was human, just like you or I and reacting to a heartbreaking tragedy. Suddenly, he doesn't seem so different than anyone else. People cope in different ways and often it may not make sense but none of us can judge another. I sincerely hope that Prince found peace with his loss before his passing and that Mayte finds healing as well. I support Mayte fully on this endeavor and thank her for sharing her memories with us.

 


 


Soooo you never looked at Prince as a human being before reading his private stuff?  I get what you're saying but thats just sad.  In addition to the media  having a field day with this.


 

[Edited 3/17/17 6:48am]




Prince has only become a human being after the release of this book.

The loss of the child he suffered 20 yrs ago didn't register until today.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #558 posted 03/17/17 7:20am

Superfan1984

BillieBalloon said:

wonder505 said:

Soooo you never looked at Prince as a human being before reading his private stuff? I get what you're saying but thats just sad. In addition to the media having a field day with this.

[Edited 3/17/17 6:48am]

Princebecome a h has only uman being after the release of this book. The loss of the child he suffered 20 yrs ago didn't register until today.

I agree. I used to think Prince was cold at times or a jerk (I am a die hard fan but I have thought that in the past) but since his passing, I really see how tender and sometimes, traumatized he was. He just dealt with things the only way he knew how: by sticking his head in the ground and plowing through his work. confused

Reply #559 posted 03/17/17 8:08am

kingricefan

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind...............

Reply #560 posted 03/17/17 8:30am

PurpleMedley122

kingricefan said:

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind.....


No, no don't do that!
We can talk about him, but only tell stories of how he was a patron saint, who never treated anyone bad, never did drugs, made perfect music, turned water into wine, and died on the cross, killed by the illuminati....

Don't forget, all who speak negative of him, or make him out to be a normal human being with faults are money hungry, opportunistic gold diggers who, even though they actually knew him personally, know less than select fans who didn't...
lol
Reply #561 posted 03/17/17 8:31am

laurarichardson

kingricefan said:

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind.....


That would be better than her crap but the music will bec around much longer than this book.
Reply #562 posted 03/17/17 8:38am

wonder505

PurpleMedley122 said:

kingricefan said:

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind...............

No, no don't do that! We can talk about him, but only tell stories of how he was a patron saint, who never treated anyone bad, never did drugs, made perfect music, turned water into wine, and died on the cross, killed by the illuminati.... Don't forget, all who speak negative of him, or make him out to be a normal human being with faults are money hungry, opportunistic gold diggers who, even though they actually knew him personally, know less than select fans who didn't... lol

Your comment is silly.

Because I prefer some things to remain private of people's lives, that automatically means that i think they are saints?

[Edited 3/17/17 8:39am]

Reply #563 posted 03/17/17 8:44am

1Sasha

How relevant is Prince to today's music scene? Do "the kids" even know who he is or, unfortunately now I must say, was? He got mere minutes at the Grammys. The Revolution and NPG touring, Mayte's and all the other books, film and TV placement, streaming services and everything else will bring attention to his legacy, and hopefully bring in new fans. I drive around with two Prince decals on my car - maybe someone will see them and go onto iTunes and buy some Prince music. We have to do what we can to keep his legacy going. So she wrote a book. Not a big deal IMO. For God's sake, David Bowie just got his own stamps through the Royal Mail, less than a year and a half after his death. Fans have to be vigilant to make sure Prince is included in what the USA offers for icons.

[Edited 3/17/17 8:45am]

Reply #564 posted 03/17/17 8:45am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

PurpleMedley122 said:

kingricefan said:

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind.....


No, no don't do that!
We can talk about him, but only tell stories of how he was a patron saint, who never treated anyone bad, never did drugs, made perfect music, turned water into wine, and died on the cross, killed by the illuminati....

Don't forget, all who speak negative of him, or make him out to be a normal human being with faults are money hungry, opportunistic gold diggers who, even though they actually knew him personally, know less than select fans who didn't...
lol



That's stupid...it is not that she is talking about him, it is that she perports to still love him and has always loved him. So it is about betraying the confidence of someone you love. talk all you want mayte, say anything you want, just don't say you love him, you have just proven otherwise.
Reply #565 posted 03/17/17 8:47am

PurpleMedley122

wonder505 said:

 



PurpleMedley122 said:


kingricefan said:

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind.....



No, no don't do that! We can talk about him, but only tell stories of how he was a patron saint, who never treated anyone bad, never did drugs, made perfect music, turned water into wine, and died on the cross, killed by the illuminati.... Don't forget, all who speak negative of him, or make him out to be a normal human being with faults are money hungry, opportunistic gold diggers who, even though they actually knew him personally, know less than select fans who didn't... lol

 


 


So that's it? Because I prefer some things to remain private of people's lives, that automatically means that i think they are saints? 


No, it means that it was Mayte's child also and she has a right to bring that private part of her life public if she wants to. You have no say (other than no reading the book) in that. Prince, unfortunately, is no longer here so he also has no say, and we don't know if he would/wouldn't like this so stop pretending like you know when you didn't know him personally.
.
Question, if Prince finished his memoir and mentioned his experience with Mayte and losing his child, would you guys be up in arms over an inconsideration of Mayte's feelings?
[Edited 3/17/17 8:47am]
Reply #566 posted 03/17/17 8:49am

wonder505

1Sasha said:

How relevant is Prince to today's music scene? Do "the kids" even know who he is or, unfortunately now I must say, was? He got mere minutes at the Grammys. The Revolution and NPG touring, Mayte's and all the other books, film and TV placement, streaming services and everything else will bring attention to his legacy, and hopefully bring in new fans. I drive around with two Prince decals on my car - maybe someone will see them and go onto iTunes and buy some Prince music. We have to do what we can to keep his legacy going. So she wrote a book. Not a big deal IMO. For God's sake, David Bowie just got his own stamps through the Royal Mail, less than a year and a half after his death. Fans have to be vigilant to make sure Prince is included in what the USA offers for icons.

[Edited 3/17/17 8:45am]

I feel that the "kids" know more about Prince than you think they do. And AGAIN I dont see why we needed to know certain graphic details about his son to appreciate his music. I mean, is that what it really takes to maintain legacy? disbelief .

[Edited 3/17/17 8:49am]

Reply #567 posted 03/17/17 8:56am

benni

laurarichardson said:

benni said:


Why is what Mayte doing so important to you?

. Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.


lol - It's not. But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good. Phew! If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring. I don't keep up with Mayte like that. I have no desire or need to. I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book! She is scandalous!" No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience.

You all are right. No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married. But that's beside the point. She is known and people are interested because of who she married. You can't change that.

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced. I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process. Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I've not made up my mind yet. But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth.

I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book. If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her. To keep coming back, implies definite interest. If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book? And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing? shrug Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me.

Reply #568 posted 03/17/17 9:07am

wonder505

PurpleMedley122 said:

wonder505 said:

So that's it? Because I prefer some things to remain private of people's lives, that automatically means that i think they are saints?

No, it means that it was Mayte's child also and she has a right to bring that private part of her life public if she wants to. You have no say (other than no reading the book) in that. Prince, unfortunately, is no longer here so he also has no say, and we don't know if he would/wouldn't like this so stop pretending like you know when you didn't know him personally. . Question, if Prince finished his memoir and mentioned his experience with Mayte and losing his child, would you guys be up in arms over an inconsideration of Mayte's feelings? [Edited 3/17/17 8:47am]

Where did I indicate that I had a say in the publishing this book? I'm just formulating my opinion just like you are. Where did I indicate that I know for a fact of what Prince would have wanted regarding this book? Can you point that out?

All I know is that she waited until he died to do this. Prince started his memoir before his death and it was publicly known. She can share what she wants if that brings her healing. I just dont see why she feels the world needed to know some of the intimate details that he never talked about. But we live in a world with people like you where anything goes and anything can be discussed. Anything.

[Edited 3/17/17 9:08am]

Reply #569 posted 03/17/17 9:20am

endiadj

PurpleMedley122 said:

wonder505 said:

 



PurpleMedley122 said:


kingricefan said:

How about this: No one EVER talks about Prince or writes anything about him again. EVER. Would that make all of you Mayte haters feel better? How about we all just hang onto our memories and just let him fade away from the worlds mind.....



No, no don't do that! We can talk about him, but only tell stories of how he was a patron saint, who never treated anyone bad, never did drugs, made perfect music, turned water into wine, and died on the cross, killed by the illuminati.... Don't forget, all who speak negative of him, or make him out to be a normal human being with faults are money hungry, opportunistic gold diggers who, even though they actually knew him personally, know less than select fans who didn't... lol

 


 


So that's it? Because I prefer some things to remain private of people's lives, that automatically means that i think they are saints? 


No, it means that it was Mayte's child also and she has a right to bring that private part of her life public if she wants to. You have no say (other than no reading the book) in that. Prince, unfortunately, is no longer here so he also has no say, and we don't know if he would/wouldn't like this so stop pretending like you know when you didn't know him personally.
.
Question, if Prince finished his memoir and mentioned his experience with Mayte and losing his child, would you guys be up in arms over an inconsideration of Mayte's feelings?
[Edited 3/17/17 8:47am]

I would venture to say that Prince wouldn't have told stories of his ex vomiting all over the house, implicating drug use. by his ex, with or without proof, or went into details about his child's appearance and say they were horrified by it. Basically, I don't believe for one second that he would have opened up her life to the kind of scrutiny that she has opened him up to, on of all things, the anniversary of this man's death. Too much detail. Way too much.
Reply #570 posted 03/17/17 9:43am

wonder505

endiadj said:

PurpleMedley122 said:
No, it means that it was Mayte's child also and she has a right to bring that private part of her life public if she wants to. You have no say (other than no reading the book) in that. Prince, unfortunately, is no longer here so he also has no say, and we don't know if he would/wouldn't like this so stop pretending like you know when you didn't know him personally. . Question, if Prince finished his memoir and mentioned his experience with Mayte and losing his child, would you guys be up in arms over an inconsideration of Mayte's feelings? [Edited 3/17/17 8:47am]
I would venture to say that Prince wouldn't have told stories of his ex vomiting all over the house, implicating drug use. by his ex, with or without proof, or went into details about his child's appearance and say they were horrified by it. Basically, I don't believe for one second that he would have opened up her life to the kind of scrutiny that she has opened him up to, on of all things, the anniversary of this man's death. Too much detail. Way too much.

Exactly. Look how the media is handling this. Taking excepts from the book and creating awful headlines for sensationlism. That's why the whole, would you argue if Prince wrote that in his memoris argument sounds stupid.

Reply #571 posted 03/17/17 9:47am

ladygirl99

benni said:

laurarichardson said:

benni said: . Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.


lol - It's not. But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good. Phew! If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring. I don't keep up with Mayte like that. I have no desire or need to. I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book! She is scandalous!" No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience.

You all are right. No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married. But that's beside the point. She is known and people are interested because of who she married. You can't change that.

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced. I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process. Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I've not made up my mind yet. But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth.

I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book. If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her. To keep coming back, implies definite interest. If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book? And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing? shrug Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me.

Well said. I also know a couple people who are going to order the book in result of how she is being drag.

So the more people bashing her the more support she is going to get. Haters are basically unpaid promoters.

Reply #572 posted 03/17/17 9:56am

annalizer

benni said:

 



laurarichardson said:


benni said:

 



Why is what Mayte doing so important to you? 



. Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.


lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 



LOL! Thanks Benni. Mayte isn't giving her "opinion" of her experience, but the actual "actions" that took place. JFK's father said it best while grooming him to be president, "It's not who you are, it's who people think you are"! Prince was brilliant at letting the public think whatever we wanted to! He was allowed to do and be whatever he wanted, but silence everyone else in his circle which eventually causes rebellion. Princes actions with people spoke volumes about what he didn't "say" publicly. The Mayte we see today isn't a different person, this is her true personality as it was then. Prince was an introvert, she is an extrovert. I personally, don't believe she was ever in love with him vs loved him because she knew his vulnerable side, but judging from the photos and interviews, her body language and facial expressions didn't suggest a happy woman, its not good to try and silence an extrovert, but in contrast with Tommy she seemed very happy,open and affectionate. Just my two cents
Reply #573 posted 03/17/17 10:07am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Mark could be clueless about that situation. I know when Eric hot on the stage at the L.A memorial many people were pissed and M2 has gone into her hovel since those divorce papers came out.

Brownmark would have to have his head under a rock if he didn't know.

Reply #574 posted 03/17/17 10:13am

DD55

PennyPurple said:

So when everyone gets their books, do you all want to do a book club?

Penny best post! You made me laugh. If I read between the lines... I think your point was missed by almost everyone. Most people are dissing a book they haven’t even read yet. Let’s all chill, and then discuss the book once we’ve actually read it. Thanks Penny!

Reply #575 posted 03/17/17 10:23am

PennyPurple

DD55 said:

PennyPurple said:

So when everyone gets their books, do you all want to do a book club?

Penny best post! You made me laugh. If I read between the lines... I think your point was missed by almost everyone. Most people are dissing a book they haven’t even read yet. Let’s all chill, and then discuss the book once we’ve actually read it. Thanks Penny!

lol highfive

Reply #576 posted 03/17/17 10:33am

laurarichardson

DD55 said:

 



PennyPurple said:


So when everyone gets their books, do you all want to do a book club?




Penny best post!  You made me laugh. If I read between the lines... I think your point was missed by almost everyone.  Most people are dissing a book they haven’t even read yet.  Let’s all chill, and then discuss the book once we’ve actually read it. Thanks Penny!


 


There are copies of the book out so some of us have read it.
Reply #577 posted 03/17/17 10:35am

laurarichardson

annalizer said:

benni said:

 



laurarichardson said:


benni said:

 



Why is what Mayte doing so important to you? 



. Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.


lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 



LOL! Thanks Benni. Mayte isn't giving her "opinion" of her experience, but the actual "actions" that took place. JFK's father said it best while grooming him to be president, "It's not who you are, it's who people think you are"! Prince was brilliant at letting the public think whatever we wanted to! He was allowed to do and be whatever he wanted, but silence everyone else in his circle which eventually causes rebellion. Princes actions with people spoke volumes about what he didn't "say" publicly. The Mayte we see today isn't a different person, this is her true personality as it was then. Prince was an introvert, she is an extrovert. I personally, don't believe she was ever in love with him vs loved him because she knew his vulnerable side, but judging from the photos and interviews, her body language and facial expressions didn't suggest a happy woman, its not good to try and silence an extrovert, but in contrast with Tommy she seemed very happy,open and affectionate. Just my two cents

Happy and open with a known women beater. She was keeping it classy.
Reply #578 posted 03/17/17 10:36am

laurarichardson

ladygirl99 said:

 



benni said:


 



laurarichardson said:


benni said: . Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.


lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 



Well said. I also know a couple people who are going to order the book in result of how she is being drag.


So the more people bashing her the more support she is going to get. Haters are basically unpaid promoters.


--Those people like gossip and would have brought the book anyway.
Reply #579 posted 03/17/17 10:39am

moonsister

WOMAN is one female. WOMEN is more than one. And yes we get it, DRAGGING someone is a jump on the band wagon cultural thing. It's just very boring at this point.

Talking about dirt you will spill later? Are you six?
Reply #580 posted 03/17/17 10:44am

purplethunder3121

moonsister said:

WOMAN is one female. WOMEN is more than one. And yes we get it, DRAGGING someone is a jump on the band wagon cultural thing. It's just very boring at this point. Talking about dirt you will spill later? Are you six?

Image result for whoa man

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #581 posted 03/17/17 10:45am

laurarichardson

benni said:

 



laurarichardson said:


benni said:

 



Why is what Mayte doing so important to you? 



. Why is it so important to you? After all I am not going to be giving her any money. I think the people that are clamoring to buy this book and acting as if this space was Mayte org find her a lot more important than I do.


lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 


-/It is not tiring or difficult to find out information about her she makes it easy. She has crazies harrassing people and she has quite a mouth on her so people are going to out you when you act like that. Since people on this board have trashed Prince and many of his associates for years for lesser reasons. I think she should be exposed as well and keep in mind I am not the only one. I have also not posted one single thing that was not my opionion or backed up with facts. You do not have to read my post and I hope you enjoy the book I know there is audeince for gossip.
Reply #582 posted 03/17/17 10:55am

Superfan1984

laurarichardson said:

benni said:


lol - It's not. But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good. Phew! If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring. I don't keep up with Mayte like that. I have no desire or need to. I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book! She is scandalous!" No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience.

You all are right. No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married. But that's beside the point. She is known and people are interested because of who she married. You can't change that.

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced. I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process. Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I've not made up my mind yet. But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth.

I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book. If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her. To keep coming back, implies definite interest. If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book? And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing? shrug Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me.

-/It is not tiring or difficult to find out information about her she makes it easy. She has crazies harrassing people and she has quite a mouth on her so people are going to out you when you act like that. Since people on this board have trashed Prince and many of his associates for years for lesser reasons. I think she should be exposed as well and keep in mind I am not the only one. I have also not posted one single thing that was not my opionion or backed up with facts. You do not have to read my post and I hope you enjoy the book I know there is audeince for gossip.

Does she? Prince alluded to that with the line about M2 "not having to worry about what came out of her mouth" can you ellaborate?

Reply #583 posted 03/17/17 11:08am

ladygirl99

laurarichardson said:

ladygirl99 said:

Well said. I also know a couple people who are going to order the book in result of how she is being drag.

So the more people bashing her the more support she is going to get. Haters are basically unpaid promoters.

--Those people like gossip and would have brought the book anyway.

But aren't you doing the same thing? You even admitted you read the book already.

Reply #584 posted 03/17/17 11:13am

laurarichardson

ladygirl99 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


ladygirl99 said:

 


Well said. I also know a couple people who are going to order the book in result of how she is being drag.


So the more people bashing her the more support she is going to get. Haters are basically unpaid promoters.



--Those people like gossip and would have brought the book anyway.

But aren't you doing the same thing? You even admitted you read the book already.


--Read some excerpts to see if she was even going to try and make it a love story. No chance of that happening. I call it being fair. I gave her chance and then found out more stuff about her. 🤑
Reply #585 posted 03/17/17 11:19am

laurarichardson

Superfan1984 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


benni said:

 



lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 



-/It is not tiring or difficult to find out information about her she makes it easy. She has crazies harrassing people and she has quite a mouth on her so people are going to out you when you act like that. Since people on this board have trashed Prince and many of his associates for years for lesser reasons. I think she should be exposed as well and keep in mind I am not the only one. I have also not posted one single thing that was not my opionion or backed up with facts. You do not have to read my post and I hope you enjoy the book I know there is audeince for gossip.

Does she? Prince alluded to that with the line about M2 "not having to worry about what came out of her mouth" can you ellaborate?


She used some choice words on her Instagram post and remember her tirads on Hollywood Exs. I bet Prince was not having it really no man would. She was much to young to be married to him and I doubt he was even ready to be married to anyone at that time in life. Remember the four years with her he had extreme turmoil in his career I hate the fact that she is taking the worst time in his life and making that encompass his whole life for profit. Not one single person has much to say about him bad after he left her. I have said it a million who would not be going off the deep him if their child died. She had no compassion and now she is ill and wonder how she is going to fill when she had to take meds.
[Edited 3/17/17 11:21am]
Reply #586 posted 03/17/17 11:25am

Menes

1.Whether you dislike , disagree or have pure contempt for Laura, I have to say that she is absolutely right on this one. Mayte has left quite the pattern of appearing to love Prince (as a matter of monetary convenience) yet doing everything she knew he would be against even when he was alive. Furthermore, all this new found "love" must have manifested itself specifically in the form of betrayal because she damn sure wasn't loving him for any other reason after that divorce. She never recovered from getting the Prince axe. Some of you have been out of the "love" game for too long to recognize the meaning of such a simple word. I suspect that he was in "love" with her virginity and "pureness" as opposed to loving her as an equitable partner in life. Virgins will do that to you, temporarily. You dont "love" someone and abandon them in times of trouble. After all, she was still very immmature about life in general. He practically left her ass stranded emotionally, mentally and physically. Regardless, he gave her more than what she could only drool of generating in her own life and apparently it fell short of that "all-in" package she was dreaming about. All of these women have been dreaming about this package and unlike real Prince followers , they dont understand that this mirage is clearly explained in his lyrics and music all too clearly. They were all temporary, and served a purpose and a time. She was no different. Prince loved Prince, Prince loved music, and anything beyond that resonates with those who fall prey to that wonderful web he weaved to lure them in. I have to admit , it is a brilliant strategy for getting girls to fall in love with you and do your bidding. She OTOH, may have been in "love" at some point but she has been clearly demonstrating her "love" for him in rather ambiguous ways. More so, in ways that can best be described as contemptuos since that divorce.

2.When did she ever try to contact him after hearing about how sick he was? When did she ask him about his opinion on teaming up with Owen and selling off shit that she knew was near and dear to that "lovely" relationship? This didn't start with the book. She has a history of invoking his name, image, intellectual property and memorobilia to further her career. Prince has dated 100's of women and none of them have gone to the level that she has to make a buck under the guise of " I was his wife, lover, girlfriend".

3. As to how she grieves about the child that died... Write a book about that. Where was the foundation for a cure for that syndrome? Why write a book about the death of the child now while invoking your life with Prince? How long has it been? Of course , she has the right to write about it ,but look at the patterns. This is an "opportunity" and has everything to do with revenue. She achieved nothing of value without him or his name, and her writing a book about her life and times with him, proves that.

Reply #587 posted 03/17/17 11:36am

benni

ladygirl99 said:

laurarichardson said:

ladygirl99 said: --Those people like gossip and would have brought the book anyway.

But aren't you doing the same thing? You even admitted you read the book already.


Thank you. She is. Even coming here to post information about her shocking videos that she posted on IG and the pictures she posted. Nothing but gossip.

Reply #588 posted 03/17/17 11:36am

kingricefan

PurpleMedley122 said:

wonder505 said:

So that's it? Because I prefer some things to remain private of people's lives, that automatically means that i think they are saints?

No, it means that it was Mayte's child also and she has a right to bring that private part of her life public if she wants to. You have no say (other than no reading the book) in that. Prince, unfortunately, is no longer here so he also has no say, and we don't know if he would/wouldn't like this so stop pretending like you know when you didn't know him personally. . Question, if Prince finished his memoir and mentioned his experience with Mayte and losing his child, would you guys be up in arms over an inconsideration of Mayte's feelings? [Edited 3/17/17 8:47am]

yeahthat

Reply #589 posted 03/17/17 11:41am

motown1958

Menes:

“Mayte has left quite the pattern of appearing to love Prince (as a matter of monetary convenience) yet doing everything she knew he would be against even when he was alive.”

“She achieved nothing of value without him or his name, and her writing a book about her life and times with him, proves that.”

I totally agree

Reply #590 posted 03/17/17 11:41am

benni

laurarichardson said:

benni said:


lol - It's not. But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good. Phew! If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring. I don't keep up with Mayte like that. I have no desire or need to. I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book! She is scandalous!" No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience.

You all are right. No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married. But that's beside the point. She is known and people are interested because of who she married. You can't change that.

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced. I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process. Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I've not made up my mind yet. But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth.

I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book. If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her. To keep coming back, implies definite interest. If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book? And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing? shrug Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me.

-/It is not tiring or difficult to find out information about her she makes it easy. She has crazies harrassing people and she has quite a mouth on her so people are going to out you when you act like that. Since people on this board have trashed Prince and many of his associates for years for lesser reasons. I think she should be exposed as well and keep in mind I am not the only one. I have also not posted one single thing that was not my opionion or backed up with facts. You do not have to read my post and I hope you enjoy the book I know there is audeince for gossip.


I'm trying to understand your logic here. So, since Prince was trashed, Mayte should be as well? That makes absolutely no sense. And obviously there is an audience for gossip, as you are proving. Again, I don't know if I will or won't purchase it. The way you all are acting about it, I am seriously considering it. Doesn't mean I will read it, and if I do, I definitely won't discuss what I read here.

Reply #591 posted 03/17/17 11:43am

ChanGirl

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:
PurpleMedley122 said:
...so? A lot of grown adults smoke (usually nicotine) out of a hooka. You're really grasping at straws at this point to vilify this woman for some reason. And you sure seem to post a lot in a thread about a book you claim to not care for or want to read. Just saying...
//But I am not buying the book and there is other stuff you do not even know about but the truth is you and the rest of the noisy gossip mongers are packing a lunch and living in La La land which actually think is funny. You think tobacco is her hooka. eek and it is cool to post that on Instagram and it is cool to film yourself drunk off your ass and put it on YOUTUBE. No question of taste or sanity and she can make allegations about Prince' drug use that she never saw😳[/quote in the book, prince pleaded 2 her to return to his hotel room to flush his pills down the toilet...prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact. [Edited 3/17/17 1:11am]

in the book, prince pleaded 2 her to return to his hotel room to flush his pills down the toilet...prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.


Well, did she look at the labels on the pills she was flushing, just to get an idea of the problem ? Wouldn't any wife ? What were they ?? So what if he was self-medicating a bit to deal with the baby, the doctor probably gave it to him. A few alleged instances does not a drug addict make. She needs to have a seat and rest her ass for her impending drag.

You know Prince wasn't no damn drug addict !
Reply #592 posted 03/17/17 11:49am

Identity

Prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.


yeahthat




"Fall like lightning.''
Reply #593 posted 03/17/17 12:08pm

laurarichardson

benni said:

 



laurarichardson said:


benni said:

 



lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 



-/It is not tiring or difficult to find out information about her she makes it easy. She has crazies harrassing people and she has quite a mouth on her so people are going to out you when you act like that. Since people on this board have trashed Prince and many of his associates for years for lesser reasons. I think she should be exposed as well and keep in mind I am not the only one. I have also not posted one single thing that was not my opionion or backed up with facts. You do not have to read my post and I hope you enjoy the book I know there is audeince for gossip.


I'm trying to understand your logic here.  So, since Prince was trashed, Mayte should be as well?  That makes absolutely no sense.  And obviously there is an audience for gossip, as you are proving.  Again, I don't know if I will or won't purchase it.  The way you all are acting about it, I am seriously considering it.  Doesn't mean I will read it, and if I do, I definitely won't discuss what I read here. 


--I said she should be exposed. She is not an angel. Information is out there any way and she had no problem putting out info out that she could have kept to herself. If you want buy her book do it can just sit on your shelf knock yourself out.
Reply #594 posted 03/17/17 12:10pm

laurarichardson

Identity said:

Prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.


yeahthat





Maybe because he was in pain. 🙏🏿
Reply #595 posted 03/17/17 12:11pm

Strawberrylova123

ChanGirl said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

in the book, prince pleaded 2 her to return to his hotel room to flush his pills down the toilet...prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.


Well, did she look at the labels on the pills she was flushing, just to get an idea of the problem ? Wouldn't any wife ? What were they ?? So what if he was self-medicating a bit to deal with the baby, the doctor probably gave it to him. A few alleged instances does not a drug addict make. She needs to have a seat and rest her ass for her impending drag.

umm she found him unconscious with vomit and wine all over the floor, the doctors had to pump his stomach, his excuse was he took the pills cause he could hear his heart beating ( whatever that means) this was before she gave birth, she had to flush pills down the toilet because he was taking to many. look i was in denial with this regarding prince but he had an opioid problem. it doesn't make him a bad person.

Reply #596 posted 03/17/17 12:21pm

laurarichardson

benni said:

 



ladygirl99 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


ladygirl99 said: --Those people like gossip and would have brought the book anyway.

But aren't you doing the same thing? You even admitted you read the book already.




Thank you.  She is.  Even coming here to post information about her shocking videos that she posted on IG and the pictures she posted.  Nothing but gossip.


Newsflash these post and videos are her doing not gossip and very real. Some of you are making her out to be innocent and it is not true. Seems like you like the truth that you want to hear and see.
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Reply #597 posted 03/17/17 12:22pm

purplethunder3121

Ugh, not when I'm eating lunch. confused

Free your mind...and your ass will follow.
Reply #598 posted 03/17/17 12:26pm

PurpleMedley122

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

 



laurarichardson said:


benni said:

 



lol - It's not.  But obviously it is to you because you keep posting about what she's doing and how she's posting this or that to IG or what videos she is posting, what she is doing, and how you have more on her that is not good.  Phew!  If I kept up with someone like that, it would be tiring.  I don't keep up with Mayte like that.  I have no desire or need to.  I've posted on here because of all the hypocrisy, "I ain't going to be buying her book, but OMG! look what she said in this article in which she shares an excerpt of the book!  She is scandalous!"  No, she's just a woman who happened to be married to Prince and is writing about her experience. 

You all are right.  No one would be interested or know who she was if it weren't for who she had married.  But that's beside the point.  She is known and people are interested because of who she married.  You can't change that. 

I will defend anyone's right to tell their story, to speak their truth, to talk about what they've experienced.  I don't know, maybe it's the social worker in me that knows that talking about difficult times helps one to come to terms with those times and begin the healing process.  Or maybe it's because I've been silenced in the past, prevented from talking about things that I experienced and once I found my voice and began to speak up about my trauma, I've realized I would never attempt to silence another.

Will I buy her book?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  I've not made up my mind yet.  But hearing you all bashing her is causing me to lean towards buying it, just to support another woman who is being judged so harshly by others and to support not silencing someone from speaking their truth. 


 


I just find it funny that those who profess the loudest against purchasing her book are on a thread discussing that book and an article with an excerpt from that book.  If they truly weren't interested in the book, then they would have just ignored this thread after the first time they stated they weren't interested in the book or her.  To keep coming back, implies definite interest.  If you ain't interested, then whatchu doing here on a thread about the book?  And if you ain't interested in what she is doing, why you keep posting things about what she is doing?  shrug  Sounds like interest in what she is doing, to me. 



-/It is not tiring or difficult to find out information about her she makes it easy. She has crazies harrassing people and she has quite a mouth on her so people are going to out you when you act like that. Since people on this board have trashed Prince and many of his associates for years for lesser reasons. I think she should be exposed as well and keep in mind I am not the only one. I have also not posted one single thing that was not my opionion or backed up with facts. You do not have to read my post and I hope you enjoy the book I know there is audeince for gossip.


I'm trying to understand your logic here.  So, since Prince was trashed, Mayte should be as well?  That makes absolutely no sense.  And obviously there is an audience for gossip, as you are proving.  Again, I don't know if I will or won't purchase it.  The way you all are acting about it, I am seriously considering it.  Doesn't mean I will read it, and if I do, I definitely won't discuss what I read here. 


--I said she should be exposed. She is not an angel. Information is out there any way and she had no problem putting out info out that she could have kept to herself. If you want buy her book do it can just sit on your shelf knock yourself out.

What a childish attitude. Exposed for what reason? Talking about her life? Is that why you laughably denied my post that stated that it's common practice that people smoke tobacco out of a hookah? You seem very invested in someone you claim to not care about (checking her Instagram, reading articles, hell, even reading the manuscript)
Reply #599 posted 03/17/17 12:28pm

PurpleMedley122

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

 



ladygirl99 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


ladygirl99 said: --Those people like gossip and would have brought the book anyway.

But aren't you doing the same thing? You even admitted you read the book already.




Thank you.  She is.  Even coming here to post information about her shocking videos that she posted on IG and the pictures she posted.  Nothing but gossip.


Newsflash these post and videos are her doing not gossip and very real. Some of you are making her out to be innocent and it is not true. Seems like you like the truth that you want to hear and see.
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What irony.
rolleyes
Reply #600 posted 03/17/17 12:46pm

Menes

Strawberrylova123 said:

ChanGirl said:

umm she found him unconscious with vomit and wine all over the floor, the doctors had to pump his stomach, his excuse was he took the pills cause he could hear his heart beating ( whatever that means) this was before she gave birth, she had to flush pills down the toilet because he was taking to many. look i was in denial with this regarding prince but he had an opioid problem. it doesn't make him a bad person.

She couldn't resist the temptation to settle the score one last time after feeling betrayed for all these years. She has been making offhand remarks, dropping hints here and there, and soliciting help in any way she could to get Prince out of her system while simultaneously making some cash.. A brooding broad she became. The boyfriend's didnt work, the shelter didn't work, that wretched ratchet show didn't work, selling off your most beloved and cherished items from your marriage didnt work, adopting a child didnt work... something has to work!

Many of them have used certain mediums to benefit from the man. Some ran and started church, others ran to facebook, some to twitter, some started painting as if Picasso had possessed them, some started touring, some resurrrected singing careers(sit down Sharon).

But, but, but, the book! This might work because now the world knows me through Prince and they will pay me to read it! I get to make money off of his name finally! It's her right, so ask yourself, you think this is out of love? Maybe in Tagalog it is.

The problem is, in English, selling this story would best be described as a shrewed definition of success when you diminish in any way the hand that fed you.This has nothing to do with Prince. Ulitmate betrayal. To the public square!

Reply #601 posted 03/17/17 12:48pm

laurarichardson

Strawberrylova123 said:

 



ChanGirl said:


 



Strawberrylova123 said:


laurarichardson said:

in the book, prince pleaded 2 her to return to his hotel room to flush his pills down the toilet...prince had an opioid problem, some of his fans are delusional to this fact.




 


 


Well, did she look at the labels on the pills she was flushing, just to get an idea of the problem ? Wouldn't any wife ? What were they ?? So what if he was self-medicating a bit to deal with the baby, the doctor probably gave it to him. A few alleged instances does not a drug addict make. She needs to have a seat and rest her ass for her impending drag.




umm she found him unconscious with vomit and wine all over the floor, the doctors had to pump his stomach, his excuse was he took the pills cause he could hear his heart beating ( whatever that means) this was before she gave birth, she had to flush pills down the  toilet because he was taking to many. look i was in denial with this regarding prince but he had an opioid problem. it doesn't make him a